What's the inside scoop on Arcana Tarot Initiation?

What if tarot isn’t about predicting the future, but about remembering who you are? We sit down with Brother Soul to map the Major Arcana as an initiatory journey, from the Fool’s fearless trust to the World’s seasoned completion. Along the way, we connect the 22 trumps to the 22 Hebrew letters, explore the Tree of Life and its paths, and ground the symbolism in everyday choices—will, surrender, balance, and the hard but merciful corrections that keep us honest.

We break down the early steps: the Magician as an awakening of will and elemental literacy; the High Priestess as veiled wisdom, the womb before form; the Empress as embodiment; and the Emperor as stewardship rather than domination. We look at the Hermit’s lamp as experience that guides without gatekeeping, and the Lovers as polarity and alignment. The Chariot tests mastery without letting ego take the reins. Wheel of Fortune and Justice bring Saturn’s lessons and karmic law. The Hanged Man reframes surrender, Death initiates transformation, and the Tower shakes structures that cannot hold truth. Temperance restores rhythm. The Star calls us to remembrance, and the Moon nods to Hermes-Thoth—the sacred tech of language, measure, and governance in service of wisdom.

We also open the door to practical reading: why a single card can quiet obsessive thinking and hand decisions to a deeper intelligence; how astrology and Kabbalah enrich meaning; and why the Qliphoth—the shells we form through habit and harm—can be recognized and released. Names, numbers, and stories matter because they shape attention, and attention shapes life.

If you’re curious, skeptical, or seeking a clearer path through chaos, this conversation offers a grounded, symbolic toolkit. Tap play, reflect on where you are in the arc, and share which card mirrors your season. If the show resonates, subscribe, leave a review, and pass it to a friend who’s ready to turn the card and begin.

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:10

Peace world, peace world, how you doing? It's your brother Mikey Fever. Welcome to another episode of NYP Talk Show, the coolest podcast in this comp in this conscious um niche that's on YouTube and all the platforms. Don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. We have super chats. We have merch, as you can see, on the website, and we have many other things coming down the pipeline. So do get involved. Tonight we have a special guest, a brother who has been on this show before, our good brother Soul. Welcome, my brother. How you doing?

SPEAKER_01 0:46

I'm doing well. I'm I'm fortunate to be here. Thank you for uh inviting me out. And um, if it's anything like last time, I look forward to the uh meaningful exchange of information.

SPEAKER_05 0:57

I don't doubt definitely, definitely will be, and we'll be a lot more regarding that.

SPEAKER_03 1:02

So we know we we converse a little bit about tonight's show. We'll be talking about the tarot tarot systems. I believe the nationic journals I want to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Sorry, brother. I don't know if my speakers are you sound a little bit muffled to me. I couldn't make out what you were saying.

SPEAKER_05 1:23

Can you hear me now?

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_05 1:26

Tonight's show is what's the you know, the inside scoop of the Arna Tarot through the initiatic journey.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Yes, sir, yes, sir. Yes. And uh I just want to say up front that, and we kind of touched on this in a sense that the initiatic journey is is something that is expressed in many different traditions.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Um at certain points in history, we read that people weren't allowed to openly pursue the initiatic journey without some kind of for lack of a better word, persecution. And so this information began to be kind of hidden in different places here and there. Um, the Psalms, for example, of the Bible are a perfect example of stories that were hidden in there during the time of slavery in order to convey a particular message to us, you know. Um being said, I think um the initiative journey as we see it in the tarot, I think is very revealing and it can tell us a lot. I know people have uh some people, not all people, have an aversion to the idea of tarot, but it did start out as just a card game initially. Right? It wasn't anything that people used for divination necessarily. It was a regular card game like you may play cards today, spades, poker, whatever you may play today. Um it's unclear exactly when mystical uses were first ascribed to it. It may have been from the beginning, but you know, if you look at the if you look at them and study them, you a story emerges.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

So that's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

I touch on that, you know, just a little as we go on over the course of the uh night.

SPEAKER_05 3:17

Um I have read somewhere with that card. Um the definition with playing cards was done somewhere out in Europe amongst the French, I believe, started at rate. I can't remember the name, but it was um something called part about that, cardomancy.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

Oh yeah, cartomancy, yeah. Yeah, it's a little different from tarot. I think tarot comes from a game called Taroki, and I think it was Italian in origin. It was Italian in origin, but yeah, cardomancy is its own particular discipline, you know. Still a divination, you know.

SPEAKER_05 3:51

Gotcha, gotcha. Sorry about that. Everybody trying to get a hold of me now. As soon as I'm on I'm I'm on live now, it's like ah, let me contact him. No problem at all, Robin, no problem at all. All right, apologies about that. So let's let's let's get into it a little bit. I got I got my first question for you. Oh, hold on. Sorry about that. I am sorry about that. Um terrible, but yeah, now that I'm oh well. Sorry, PB. I see me fumbling here and see what happens when somebody people throw me off when I have my notes written.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

You know about them notes, brother. Yes, sir. That's one thing uh, you know, that I like about the information age. You don't have to know everything and keep it in your head so long as you can get to it, you know.

SPEAKER_05 4:42

It's for real. Like I have it all written down. Uh let me see. I'm looking through my how to have my tabs. Okay, there it goes. Sorry about that. Let's get into it now. Okay. Is a tarot a book, a temple, or a living system?

SPEAKER_01 5:06

Wow, that's an interesting question. Um, some people do describe it as a book, particularly the major arcana are oftentimes looked at as a book. And uh what's interesting as well is 22 trumps of the major arcana, which a lot of people are associated or are familiar with.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

And there's a correspondence between that number and the number of Hebrew letters, which is also 22. And there is a correspondence between that as well, which I found to be pretty interesting. So I would say it's a book, it's definitely a living system, meaning it's here today for people to be able to, you know, find whatever meaning that they may. I think I think it's all equally applicable.

SPEAKER_05 5:50

That's what you say, yes. It yeah, yeah, it does. The Hebrew letters when yeah, you're right about that. Oh, the Hebrew help book, gotcha. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. And again, for an second question, is the fool an initiate or a divine spark?

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Um, the fool, haha. Okay, which we were talking about the notes earlier. Um, I would say that the fool, are you asking me if the fool is the initiate or the divine spark?

SPEAKER_05 6:19

It it can be initiate. Yeah, I'm asking both. Is the fool the either the initiate or the divine spark?

SPEAKER_01 6:25

If this was Drake Champs, I say both. I'd be taking a shot right now. Because it's both. Um, the fool is the initiate. Uh and we can tell this. I don't have like that um the traditional deck people are familiar with the the rider weight deck where the fool is looking into the air, he's not even paying attention to where he's walking, yeah. Right? But there's also forms of the fool where he's blindfolded. Um yeah, you can you can Google it. Um, blindfolded, fool, tarot, and a whole bunch of them come up. Um, so that's also an original form of the fool, which automatically I think for anybody that's been initiated into anything will immediately identify as the initiate, right?

SPEAKER_04 7:16

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

And what what also typifies the initiate, which makes him the fool, to be a fool is to is to go through life knowing everything is going to be just fine.

SPEAKER_05 7:29

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

That's to be a fool, that's having that what we call faith. Yeah, that that people ridicule. I don't think you should have blind faith in a person, but me personally, I believe that there is a divine system, call it God, they call it whatever. There is divine rule and order to trust in, you know. Yeah, do your best, but there's already a system in place that was in place before you is gonna be in place after you. So tap into it, right?

SPEAKER_05 7:59

Definitely now that makes that's perfectly said, man. Beautifully said. Is initiation eternal or ceremonial?

SPEAKER_01 8:11

Um, initiation is always, I would say always internal first. If you're truly initiated, right? Yes, it's always internal. It's something inside you that moves you to want to go through and initiate again before you go through any ceremony per se, ceremony, be it baptism, you know, you would have been you have to have an exercise of the will to say, you know, I need to go and get baptized. Now, when we read in the book, the Bible, and the moment that you say something or proclaim proclaim something, it is. Yeah, so the moment you say, I need to go get baptized, you've already been. The ceremony is just after the fact. Wow. This is the initiatic experience. You've already done it, now you're just kind of ceremonially working it out, you know.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

Got you.

SPEAKER_05 9:05

That's powerful right there. Because it got you got me thinking now, like, yeah, I was already here already.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

I was just like, you know, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 9:14

Does every reader in tarot become an initiate? Say again, does every reader reader in tarot becomes an becomes an initiate? Sorry about that.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Again, we'd be drinking both of them. We'll be drinking because look, look, the moment that you place your eyes on a tarot deck and you have a question about it, you become an initiate. This is no different than anything else. You know, the moment that you put your mind to do something, you become an initiate of that thing. How far you go with it is up to you. But in that moment that you conceive yourself as being involved with that, you're an initiate. Now, there are people who will say, Oh, you got to go through this school of thought. If you ain't go through Golden Dawn, then you're not an initiate of this. If you didn't go through this school, because a lot of it becomes institutionalized, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

And that's not to throw no shit on Golden Dawn. Nobody said that. That's just the name that popped into my head because it's a common magical order. But ain't nobody ever say no, not the way to me about it. So I just want to put that out there.

SPEAKER_05 10:22

But you know what? Cause because as a as a as a five percent to say, mind detect mine, and you on a wavelength, because I just got off the phone with a a brother from the Golden Dawn that's looking to come up on his coming up, was looking to come on this show pretty soon. So man, let's just say that. I definitely, man, gotta get you guys together, man. So it it's it's funny how you said that. So um uh let me see. I just want to make sure I ask it correctly. What is the cost of walking the tarot path?

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Whoa, okay. So I don't know if that's a thing per se, but I I'll I'll go through it in terms of what I perceive. Um, first and foremost, you're the fool. Right? So after the fool, and I'm just gonna does this even come up here? Okay, so the fool is characterized by the Hebrew letter aleth. The beginning. The funny thing about that letter Af is spelled A-L-F. Remember Alf? Yeah, so it's spelled A-L F. The A-L, we're familiar with as the name of God. E L or A L. And then F, which is the Hebrew pay, means mouth. So it's God's mouth, which is alith. Which interestingly enough doesn't have a sound. So we start off as the fool, and then we trans and we go into bait, which is the magician. That's when we realize that there's these forces around us, you know, like the ceremonies that they did in Egypt or whatever, we know that there's these forces, we know earth, when, fire, when, and then there's a fifth one that some people call a kasha, some people call ether, some people call it's the spiritual principle, right? The five elements, right? And so you start to train in those different elements of how not only how they physically manifest, but how something is uh psychologically hot instead of physically hot, right? When if I say I'm hot blooded, you know exactly what I mean already. It's is on a different level than physical. Now, once you go through that, well, you're not necessarily gonna go through it because you gotta find, I don't know, that's gemo, which is gene, right?

SPEAKER_05 12:47

Genigamel, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

Yeah, it means camel, but in Aramaic it goes it means rope. And you went through an initiatic experience like birth, you had a rope at your placenta, right? So experiences tend to be associated with a connection, can often express as rope, right? And then the high priestess is wisdom, right? Wisdom is veiled, veiled wisdom. So you're going through this thing where okay, you start off as a fool, then you come into the elements, you you see some stuff we call truth that's always been there, always been there, but for some reason you you just weren't locked in, like the kids say, you weren't locked in, and then all of a sudden going through this initiated journey, now you locked in, and like, oh, I've been there the whole time.

SPEAKER_03 13:39

Right. I'm glad you said that.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Yeah, and you know, not to put too much out there, but that's something that I tell people all the time that try to become, oh, they be like, Oh, I want to be a Freemason. I tell them all the time, it's not anything that you don't know for real. Exactly. By the time you reach the age of 21, 18, 18, 21, if you've been paying attention, you know what's going on.

SPEAKER_05 14:03

You know, it's nothing that's no disrespect, but it's not as listen, it's nothing you understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the comment section is showing love here. They say F20 in the building. Great job, brother. Um, brother Soul.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

Oh, that's what's up. Oh, yeah, that's my secretary, brother uh black share.

SPEAKER_05 14:22

Yes, brother. Please, brother. And to the people that's in the comment section, do show love if you're viewing. Help the hit that like button. Hit that like button, share, because this is some great content the brother got right here, some great information he's giving us. So, how did you get involved into the tarot?

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Man, I really couldn't tell you um how that particularly happened. Um, that's a good question, bro. I I don't recall uh a particular experience. Um I began to study what is often called magic. And I I tell people that magic is anything that you don't quite understand. A lot of the stuff that we call science now started off as magic. And now that you know the methodology behind it, now it's science. You know. So reading uh again, reading the the golden dawn coming up again, reading through that book, they have a whole course of of study for the tarot, right? And you know, you learn these different associations and whatnot. I don't use I don't use it for the the typical purpose people use it for, like, you know, divination. Divination is a is a wild thing to me. Like you can use anything for divination. Yeah, you don't need to use cards. I could you could literally write down some random paper and throw it at somebody, and it's it's they're marketing it out. You're not really divining nothing. You're helping them make up their mind. They already know what they're gonna do, you know.

SPEAKER_05 15:57

So it's like some auto suggestion right there taking place.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Exactly. That's all it is. That's all the so-called divination aspect. And that that's not, I say that's all it is. It almost downplays it like it's not divine. It's still a divine act happening. It is, you know, it's just very explainable, it's nothing supernatural about it.

SPEAKER_05 16:16

No, I understand where you're coming from, because I I I I guess when you have knowledge of it, it's not like you're downplaying it, it's just that you already know you. So you just summon it up to what I know already, but to like a person who's not um, I don't want to say initiate who's not mentally initiated, who's not aware, would not understand. So you gotta kind of hold their hand and walk them to the process.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 16:39

So I understand where you're coming from with that, yeah and being that we're we're right now we are breaking that down. Let's get into more into the full. As for the fool, is surrender more important than knowledge?

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Wow. On the one hand, the the whole reason your journey has even unfolded. While all the things that are good even happen is because you played the role of the fool. You had no preconception of anything. It reminds me when I moved to Georgia, I didn't know anybody here at all. I just said, hey, I'm going to Georgia. I was a fool for real. And things just happen by virtue of that that I can't explain that will fall under the umbrella of miraculous or what have you. But once you understand how it works, then you move into the realm of the knowledge of it. And I say that's problematic because once you know how something works, it's like this. I once heard that uh, you know, Kung Fu theater used to come on, I used to think I knew karate. And my grandfather said, you know, just enough to get your ass whooped. And it's just like that. You know, just enough to get into trouble, you know, because our knowledge is always incomplete. And for some reason, with man, we always arrive at a time where we think we know everything, when in actuality we don't know anything. So I would say probably be being submissive and remaining the fool is most important, but in practicality, we always chase the knowledge, seem like.

SPEAKER_05 18:17

Got you. Now, and it's important because it alludes to what's about to ask you next was is the fool protected or tested? And I and I'm glad you you you brought that story up because most of the time it's all a test. We think we're tested, but we're also protected by due to our own ignorance of not knowing, but yeah, sometimes. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

Definitely. There's there's an old Bugs Bunny cartoon. He was like uh, you know, it's old, and Buzz Runny is is is little and Elma Fudd is little. And then Elma Fudd was chasing Bugs and he stopped, and Elma Fud ran clean off the cliff and kept on going, running in the air. And then Bugs Runny said, Hey Bub, shouldn't you fall? And he's like, Oh, we haven't studied that in school yet. Oh you know what I mean? And I think that captures the point perfectly. Not saying, you know, be stupid, but there's a lot of what I would call, for lack of better phrasing, divine protection because you're ignorant.

SPEAKER_05 19:13

Yeah, it's true, it's true. Yeah, you know what? That's a good that's a good analogy you just brought up because it's they never it's when they look down, they fall, but usually just keep going because they will, they're so determined to get to that goal.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

Exactly, and they don't know no better. Like DMX said, I forget what album he said, to me, this is life. This is all I know. If it's all we know, then this is life, you know.

SPEAKER_05 19:35

Oh, yeah, that that was uh and then and then there was X, yeah. That one more of the cross. Oh man, I love that song. Shout out to DMX. That's in peace, X man. Yes, sir. That brother was real with that. So, as far as the major o'connor and enter in inner transformation, is the magician the awakening of the will?

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Definitely. It's the awakening you you realize that you have access to these elements and you don't just have to look at them, you don't. You can pick them up, you can test them and see what they do. You can combine them, you know, and get different results. And all of this is by virtue of your will, which in itself is a test. Because are you doing your will or are you doing the will?

SPEAKER_05 20:16

That's the double entendre right there.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

And one of the things that is prominent among groups like the Golden Dawn is trying to find your true will. And that's called talk for the will that is in alignment with what God's will use. Your quest is to become aligned in the divine will, not your will.

SPEAKER_05 20:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:42

Oh, okay. So for instance, can you give an um a slight example on how do you use your tarot cards on a like say on a daily basis if you're trying to make up a decision on something? How would you how would you work your cards?

SPEAKER_01 20:57

It'd be like this, it's not even really, it's not even really uh a thing, I would say, right? My favorite, yeah, I make a game out of it. For a while I was doing divinations just to see what it's like, right? On TikTok. I got like 25 of them. And I was just, you know, I would since they're Hebrew letters, I would do three cards to see if they spell the word. If they spell the word in Hebrew and see how it relates to the person, it might not, numerical, whatever. Or I might just grab one card. The whole idea is number one, to summon the question. Yeah. And then it's almost like you're releasing it and giving the decision process over to a third party. You're never, you're still involved. It's just not up front, right? It's back here accessing more of your yeah, you know what I'm saying? So you're looking at the person doing the divination and you're thinking they're doing it, but you're doing it back here somewhere.

SPEAKER_05 21:59

You want to know something crazy? I got some cards here. Yeah. In my office right now, near my altar. I got some cards here. I don't know. Should I grab them later? I'll probably grab them later. But I I have done like readings with with um with those cards. Playing cards with people. And I always tell them, you can't lie to the cards. I know some people like, oh, it's spooky. I'm like, in reality, you know, when I like this candle, I I say your name, I say call on your ancestors from both sides, your mother and your father's side. I always tell them your spirit is gonna do the work.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

Well, that yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_05 22:34

Glad you said that they're gonna tell a story that you think you like, you know, you could fight it or no, you could be in denial, but it's gonna be you, your intentional energy that we're gonna pull on to this candle. No, you know, let's not even get into the words.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

Front and center. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 22:49

Front and center, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

So that's why I was do you really want to know?

SPEAKER_05 22:54

Yeah. And I'm glad you said that, man. You know, you you're aligned to the Hebrew alphabet with the 22 um letters, you know, also within the tree of life itself outside of Sephirah, it's 22 paths.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_05 23:11

So it's like it's all it's all interconnected, man. Like you can't escape. There he goes, man. You see what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_00 23:17

Yes, sir. This guy. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 23:21

Nah, so you ain't playing tonight, but um uh the question is uh does the high priest priestess guard initiate initiate initiatory gates? Pardon me.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Well, the high priestess, I don't I don't think that she guards the gates, I think she's just there. It was up to the initiate to recognize because again, she represents veiled wisdom. Wisdom is there, but you're not necessarily going to recognize it. Some people refer to it as um like when wisdom is impregnated, so you don't see the child, it hasn't manifested in flesh yet.

SPEAKER_05 24:01

Brother, get out of my damn head, man. I'm about to ask the next question. Like you say, child improv. I'm about to ask, is the priestess the womb of manifestation? I'm like, you over here. Yes, that's what the priestess is.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

Because next you have the empress, which is the manifestation in flesh, yeah, right. So these again, these are building one on the other, one into the other, because after the priestess comes the emperor, right? The emperor, I think, is associated with the Hebrew letter hey, which means window, which is the opening of light. That's when everything is revealed, exactly, right?

SPEAKER_05 24:38

So yeah, man, it's yeah, you tell yours it's yo, this is my this is why I be telling people say what you want. You know, it's us um human beings who try to conceptualize, you know, gender, like gender and the attributes of the divine spirit, saying, you know, this attribute of that is masculine energy or feminine, right? But no matter how you put it, you can't escape that feminine. You gotta have both.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Yeah, you gotta have you gotta you really gotta have feminine above everything. Because again, we you you we refer to it as the womb of manifestation, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:19

Some people won't agree with that. They'd be like, What?

SPEAKER_01 25:20

What you said, yeah. It is what it is, and I don't think I don't think that it diminishes the role of the masculine at all because the thing that it is only feminine because of the masculine, exactly, and vice versa. They like I look at the like the Hindu pantheon, right? Yeah, they look at like, for example, uh Brahma. No, let's let's do Narayanna. He has uh all of them have wives, consorts, and these consorts are seen as their power and manifestation, like the heat of fire, you know. I mean, so you can't have one without the other.

SPEAKER_05 25:56

No, you can't, and I and I say that I agree with you, you know. They're we could maybe catch flack for that. Oh well, I know that with when within the temple, we cannot say uh no woman or woman, but when we are praying, we are evoking and invoking divine feminine energy. It is what it is. I understand, yeah. I understand.

SPEAKER_04 26:21

Yeah, they're gonna be like, what no, listen. Listen, yeah. When I pee, I stand up. I'm the man, you know.

SPEAKER_05 26:33

Like you don't have a mother, like when you're not when you're sick, you don't call for your mom or your girl. Like, shut up.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

I was sick for about a week with whatever was out there, and man, I wasn't gonna make it.

SPEAKER_05 26:47

Yeah, I know the bro. I was going through that. Yo, crying for mom every second. All right, does the emperor represent sacred authority?

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Um, I would say uh more of a sacred stewardship that conveys authority, yeah. It's not uh authority in and of himself. Like I look at it like this uh Emperor Hale Selassiae. Before he was a king, he was a negose, Nagus Nagast, is what they called him. Then he became Gamawiagamal, he became the conqueror line of Judah, he became the emperor. So I came to understand that the emperor is the living manifestation of God. That's what an emperor is. That's what makes an emperor an emperor and not a king. A king is God select, chosen, the emperor is God in flesh. I like that one.

SPEAKER_05 27:42

See, I didn't know that. You see, I didn't know all that. Yeah, throw out that king kind of. I ain't no king no more. I'm emperor. Definitely. All right, so this is this is going good. Is the hyrophant a gatekeeper or a guide?

SPEAKER_01 27:59

Um, the higher font, I would say that the gate is uh is that's a good one. That's a that's a good one because man, that's a good one. Um, I'm I'm gonna have to say both on we're drinking, we're taking shots. Yeah, we'll take a shot.

SPEAKER_05 28:17

No, it's okay, let's go take a shot. I see people watching it.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

On the one hand, he clearly holds a light, you know what I mean? And it reminds me of the story, I forget the character's name, but his quest was to find an honest man. You know, this is some famous story people. So I always imagine him walking door to door with his lantern looking for an honest man, you know what I mean? So I think the the hermit is a guide. Um and I think he's a gatekeeper, but not necessarily externally, internally, in terms of the of his energies. He had been through some things and he decided to cut stuff off, and now he's a hermit. He by himself dealing with these energies. You know what I mean? So he's a gatekeeper, I guess, uh to himself in a sense, in that way, but not necessarily to anyone else. He's more of a guy based on his experience. He can be like, don't do that, because I did that, and it didn't turn out good. He's that guy.

SPEAKER_05 29:11

Got you. Um, question like to know do um is the tarot um is it is it run parallel with with astrology?

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Yes, there are some astrological correspondences, like you said the hierophant, right?

SPEAKER_02 29:26

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

So the hierophant is associated with the with the letter uh that's a valve. It means male, more in the sense of connecting, to connect yourself to something, right? To bind yourself to something, but he's also associated with Taurus. Oh also associated with the traits of Taurus, and then there's this whole story about the bull of heaven, and you know, because you know Zeus liked to be a bull and used to do a lot of because a lot of these tie into those types of stories, but yeah, that there's definite um astrological uh correspondences.

SPEAKER_03 30:07

Got you, gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

Even one of the major trumps, uh, you have the sun and the moon as major trumps and the stars, sun, moon, and stars.

SPEAKER_05 30:15

Of course. Yeah, yeah, man. Damn. You're on there. Do the lovers represent ethical choice?

SPEAKER_01 30:27

See, I always associate the lovers with Gemini. And so I don't know how people feel about Gemini. By the way, the lovers is associated with the letter Zion. And it means it means uh I think it's the sword. Wait a minute. Yeah, it's the sword. I have a whiteboard where I keep the court, because you know, no, trust me. I don't get paid for this, right? So I have to struggle, I have to study a lot just to keep it in there.

SPEAKER_05 30:57

Trust me. The information when you you can transform into your head.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

So you said ethical choice, the Gemini is or the lovers or Zane, they correspond with the number seven. So I'm not sure when you say ethical choice in what way.

SPEAKER_05 31:14

Ethical choice, the choice of a lover is like, say, for instance, like, you know, why this person choosing he or she's choosing one another to be lovers, like, you know, is there a gain something like something outside of attraction?

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Is it really when I look at the lovers, I look at them uh in terms of symbols as polarities, as opposite ends of poles. Now, granted, you can make that identification with a physical male and a physical woman, in terms of I guess you're what you're saying, ethical choice of who chooses who, but I tend to associate the energy of masculine and feminine intertwining.

SPEAKER_05 31:52

Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's dope, man.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

Well, I don't know if it's a choice because you know, light is gonna attract life. I don't know if that's a choice.

SPEAKER_05 32:03

You know, maybe on a maybe on a carnal level or the human level, we'd be like, I uh, you know, although the signs could be there, like go for that person, we we'd be the ones to be stubborn or you know, when people get caught up in things.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 32:18

You know, and that you know, they'd be like shouldn't, but you'd be like, but it feels good, it's supposed to be this way, you know. Yeah, yeah, because you know, you we gotta look at things from both sides, like you know, if we remove all the the moral compass, everything moral compass and everything else, you'd be like, maybe it's beyond attraction for these two.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

It's something that we don't understand that they yeah, it's it's definitely things that I don't understand and I'm fine with so long as it's not harming someone else.

SPEAKER_05 32:47

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

I mean, if those people, whoever, so long as it's not bringing harm to nobody else.

SPEAKER_05 32:52

Definitely, definitely. Don't want to be on Jerry Springer. And listen, we have about 10, 11 people watching this. Nice, it's gonna climb. And you know, it's gonna climb. People that are watching, engage, like, subscribe, share, ask questions. The brother is here, he has a lot of information, man. His brother's very sharp with this. So do engage. Some people be afraid to engage. I don't want to say the wrong thing, ask the wrong question.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Yeah, I mean, a question is a question, is a question, you know. There's not really too much that I know about that isn't like off the table to discuss.

SPEAKER_05 33:33

All right. Is a fine one, is chariot mastery or ego?

SPEAKER_01 33:38

I would say it's definitely mastery of two different forces, of those forces that were intertwined.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Um, because you gotta it's probably ego because we have civilization, right? We didn't create civilization, but it's here. And we have this idea in civilization called progress. And you have to bring these because I was thinking it through. I'm bringing you bring energies under your control in order to achieve a particular end, right? And in society, if we go extremely basic, it's to eat, right? Sleep, reproduce, that kind of thing. So I guess it is it's easy, it's probably more easy. I don't want to say it. You got me self-reflecting, man.

SPEAKER_05 34:22

That's what I'm saying with ego. We gotta think. We've like we call that ego. Everybody could say that, but like, hmm. Do we do we fall within those within those um categories?

SPEAKER_00 34:32

Like, yeah, yeah, it's you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:35

I think I got a question for you from the comment section from Sue Lee. Oh, right. We should not read our own tarot.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Um, I read my own tarot all the time. All the time. When you a lot when you ask me about now, don't get me wrong, there will be schools of thought that would say otherwise. We live in a time now where there are so many schools of thought, and then the internet has collapsed the space in between us that you're gonna come across a lot of philosophies. So they call it the age of information. I think it's also a second dark age. Imagine a big bright light in your eye. Your people is gonna do what? It's gonna close up. Like, what is going on? Yeah, it's a whole different, it's a different type of dark age because you know you gotta make decisions on what you're gonna follow. But back to the question, I'll pull a card and just one card to get some insight on something to get my mind off of obsessing on something to move it on to this card, and then I can get to the answer that I want. So, yeah, I think there's nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_05 35:36

Oh, really? I may have to pull a card later on, man, before the show closes out late. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 35:42

Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 35:44

You know, people may probably want you to pull a card to the comment section. All right, so we we there. Uh we spoke about that. Does the wheel of fortune mark karmic testing?

SPEAKER_01 35:56

Definitely, because it corresponds to Saturn. You know who Saturn is. Saturn, they call him Kronos, um, in the old Greek ways, what have you, but uh Saturn is known as the planet of testing. In fact, we're in Saturn now, Friday night, right? Is when the um is when um the Sabbath starts, right?

SPEAKER_05 36:19

Is it around what time? What hour? What I forgot which hour that's one thing I always get messed up, the planetary hours. Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

That's why I started my books.

SPEAKER_05 36:29

I need to get a chart for that, man. Because sometimes I I need to look on a website because that you know, keep it real. Sometimes there's some certain candles, like there's this book right here, right? And I think it's called the candle burning magic with the psalms, right? Hours when you gotta dress your candle in certain prayers, and it has it has to be done at a particular time. Yeah, in that same time, because was it archangels, particular angels for within the 72? It's a lot, bro. It's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

Well, again, it's a science, yes sir. Down to the hour, but I do think that um Saturn is known as the planet of blessings, right? And uh its color is black, and its metal is lead. It's metal, lead, you feel me?

SPEAKER_05 37:15

Yeah, damn.

SPEAKER_00 37:16

So a lot a lot of yeah, uh, let's leave it like that.

SPEAKER_05 37:21

Yeah, a lot of lead gets thrown around. You'd be like, is that Saturn at work?

SPEAKER_01 37:25

Yeah, and it's also I guess it would also be a check on the ego. When I think about growing up um in Baltimore, I think uh there were a lot of opportunities that had I not been uh in control of my ego, I would have put myself into harm's way. You know what I'm saying? Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 37:42

Listen, yeah, that ego was the what is it called, edging God out. That ego is a mother, it'll get you killed. It will definitely. This is why I say I don't want to operate with an ego, especially like ego could present it could rear its ugly head at any time. And there are times when people say that there's there are positive aspects of ego.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

They are, they are yeah, absolutely. Um, I quit smoking cigarettes, I had smoked for 26 years, something like that. I quit smoking um appreciate it. March 1st of 2024.

SPEAKER_00 38:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

2024. So I'm coming up on two years, right? Yeah, and it was all because of my ego. It was all ego. That was the only way I could do it. When I read that only one percent of all people who ever smoke quit, I was like, Yeah, sign me up.

SPEAKER_04 38:32

That's the positive aspect of ego. Okay, got it.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

Yeah, yeah. And when people ask me about it, I'd be like, Yeah, I'm one of the one percent. What's up? What's up with it?

SPEAKER_05 38:40

So you're gonna go for it. All right, I got respect that. It's a salute to you, man. It feels better, huh?

SPEAKER_01 38:45

Um, I feel better. I do. It's still even it's still a struggle, though.

SPEAKER_05 38:51

Oh really?

SPEAKER_01 38:52

When you have a little drink, even it's not, it's not every day, yeah. But I would say about quarterly at this point. All right, you believe it. That's why I smoke. You'll feel it. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, nope, gotta be something else.

SPEAKER_05 39:06

It's that nicotine, man. That nicotine's a bastard, man.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_05 39:09

Nicotine's a bastard.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

Yeah, it's a it's a it's a mind job. It's it's it's a mind mind problem. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:16

And an aspect of death and rebirth is justice a spiritual law, not morality.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

It sounds like it's like when you put it that way, you're talking about karma then. Like a like the Hindu version of karma, like you're gonna reap what you sow no matter how long it takes down the road. You know what I mean? Some people don't necessarily believe in in the in the idea of reincarnation. I don't know if it's true either myself, but um it seems it seems rational that whatever you're gonna whatever you do, you're gonna be in this this wheel of birth and rebirth working out karma in some way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_05 39:56

You're gonna you're gonna keep returning to this to this prison planet. As they say, right?

SPEAKER_01 40:01

I'm quite sure it's I'm quite sure it's a lot of them though. This is just the one we're aware of right now. I thought about this. You know in the cellar of the valley, y'all see there's a black hole. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah. So look, we got people mad at other people because of their race. We got people blowing shit up. We got people doing all kinds of all of our stuff on the planet. And it's we're so insignificant because no matter how you're trying to not be with somebody to be separate, we're going into the black hole billions and billions and billions of years after you've died. But we're all going to the same place.

SPEAKER_03 40:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:49

I think like that. That's my mindset. I'm glad you said that because I was like, what's so insignificant on this planet? Like our ego will make it think, will make us think that like we're God's gift on earth.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

We're not God's gift on. We're not. We could be though. That's the sad part. I could see if we were if we were actually stupid as a species, but we're not.

SPEAKER_05 41:19

But we are human beings. So you know, you never watch look at a human being and be like, damn, yo, out of out of out of all out of the billions of cells, you made it. Not the sound. What do you mean like out of out of the billions of cells, you made it? Like the will, like you persevered to made it through. Like and not being mean, I just I just try to look at people like wow. Like yo, it's not like yo, God is great, you know. God as you say, the the fool, the the fool's initiatic journey, like you did it.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. Being born is the victory.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

Yeah, you you did it.

SPEAKER_05 42:00

Yeah, crazy. Is the hangman surrender or punishment?

SPEAKER_01 42:06

Um, the hangman I think comes after justice, so it it it it is a representation, I would say, of justice and action, whatever that may be. You know, um, that particular hanging by one leg upside down. Uh I just want to say that a particular group of historical knights used to get hung upside down like that back in like the 1300s, 1100s. That's you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 42:39

Was it Friday the 13th?

SPEAKER_00 42:41

Around that time, in October?

SPEAKER_05 42:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bad time.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Okay, so it it reminds me of the execution of what some call justice may be injustice.

SPEAKER_05 42:56

Exactly. Oh man, does death initiate or destroy?

SPEAKER_01 43:03

Um, to build is to destroy, it kind of does both. You know, it definitely is an initiation factor where we're concerned because like I tell my kids all the time, we're gonna be dead way longer than we even alive. You know what I'm saying? We're just like we're not even a blip. Um, exhibit said his his existence was a ripple through time. We we're not even here that long, right? So I think it's an initiation of sorts back into the spirit or back into doing non-visible, you know. Yeah. Um yeah, I think I think it's an initiatic experience in itself.

SPEAKER_05 43:44

That's that's yeah, that's how I look at it. I say our time on this planet is interlude. So do as best as you can to live, make yourself happy. That's one thing my grandmother said before she passed, may she rest in peace. She always said, I'm gonna live my life, I'm gonna do everything under the sun, except you know, anything that's gonna harm people, but I'm gonna live my life. What feels good to me, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And it's because it's as you said, we have a short period of time on this earth. Uh, why is death unavoidable on a tarot unavoidable on a tarot path?

SPEAKER_01 44:17

Um, well, death is is uh because you'll notice most most of the symbolism is um well not most, I take that back. Some of the symbolism of death, you'll see uh like the Grim Reaper with the scythe, which also is a is a nod to Saturn again. Um with the heads, they were like the heads of like the uh of the nobility, right? Like they had beheaded people, and so what I know. I don't know if you're familiar with the work of Ron Nefer Amon the First, um, the Medunetta, uh volumes one, I think he had five volumes of it.

SPEAKER_05 44:56

He had four men never, yeah. Yo, somebody kept stealing my books, man. Somebody get that book, it goes missing, bro.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

And it's hard to get them books too, man.

SPEAKER_05 45:05

Yeah, I found the PDF version, but it's not the actual. Yeah, but go go ahead, continue, man.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

But in book one, where he's explaining um the symbolism of ancient Kemet, he talks about how a head on a spear was actually uh uh the way that they depicted the killing of the ego, right? So to cut the head off is to kill the ego, yeah. And so cutting the head off in the in that regard, and in that particular symbolism of the card of death, there's one where death is riding on a horse and he he has a shield. Some people like that one, but I prefer the one where it has cut the head of the nobility off because it illustrates how everybody is equal. Nobody gets away from death, everybody's gone. Yeah, you know what I mean? So we should reflect on how we're living. Man, when I turn on the TV today, this mess this this message is crazy out here. That's all I'm gonna say. I don't want to politicize what's happening. You know what I mean? But it's it's crazy. Like we we like it's a lot of people thinking a lot of themselves, and because they think so much of themselves, they prepared to kill everybody on the planet, and it's it's bonkers to me, man.

SPEAKER_05 46:19

Actually, I'm glad you say that from television to social media, and let's be honest, how about these um no disrespect, but these so-called life coaches, man? You know what I'm saying? You have these life coaches that'll come online crying, and there's a new product about to be sold. Like, I got this new thing I'm selling to you guys, you know, this and that. Like, you're a life coach, and you you you think by being cruel to your members, it's somehow a test. Then you telling them, I don't care if your mother's gonna die in deathbed on deathbed, don't go there and apologize and reconcile anything. It's a part of the church. You understand?

SPEAKER_00 47:09

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:10

No, you got some explain to do. You know what I'm saying? You got some explain to do. You better pay your taxes, fraud. But anyway, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

We know how that turns out. We know how that goes, man.

SPEAKER_05 47:23

You know what I'm saying? They bet they better stop it. Um does the tower enforce divine correction?

SPEAKER_01 47:31

Um, I would say, I would say, yeah. If you go by the symbolism, you know, again, you have people in high places getting cast out of high places by uh thunder, a thunderbolt from the heavens. So I think yeah. I think the symbol. Yeah. Definitely. At least, at least on one level, I'm quite sure that you know, there are people that have been, I want to say, using these cards and this this symbol symbolism some people longer than I've even been alive. So I don't want to even come off like an authority on it, because there's people that are way more authoritative. There's just some things that I've seen in it that relate to how I live my life that helped me particularly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:22

I got you. Is the devil bondage or self-knowledge?

SPEAKER_01 48:26

Um, it is bondage initially. Um, the devil, he's standing, he stands on that cube with the male principal and the female principal cling to it. Um, you also notice that he has like uh he has a torch, which is a sign of divine light or illumination, but it's down low, which tells us that it's blocking the light, it's not showing the full light. So it's an opportunity to learn more, you know.

SPEAKER_05 48:56

That makes sense. Uh does temper does temperance restore initiatory balance?

SPEAKER_01 49:06

If it's out of balance, yeah, yeah. Because temperance is all about not being I almost said that, not being extra.

SPEAKER_04 49:15

Not being extra, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:18

Doing in balance, and I don't mean it, you know, how we we mean it culturally, but to stay in balance. I was talking with my daughter today, and I was telling her how I almost killed myself about four or five years ago uh with water intoxication. Have you heard of this? Water intoxication?

SPEAKER_05 49:35

I I heard of it, but I I I thought it was like there's just you know some kind of myth out there.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

No, you can drink too much water and die.

SPEAKER_05 49:42

Really?

SPEAKER_01 49:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I was telling my daughter about that just to demonstrate that even the good things, too much of it. It's bad thing. All things in moderation.

SPEAKER_05 49:54

Yeah, exactly. So light illumination and completion. Ooh. Is the star is the star hope or remembrance?

SPEAKER_01 50:07

Um, the star I never read the star as hope or remembrance. This is gonna, and I think maybe some terrible people might identify with what I'm about to say. Because there are certain things that cards are associated with, and in the moment, you may have or build your own associations, right? So when I think of the star, I think about Earth Window Fire. I think about the three elements, but I think about the song when the fire, you know, that we're a star. Or I think about the fact that uh every man is a star. You know, that's what I think about. So if I if I have that for somebody, I feel like that they need to remember who they are. They need to remember that at the end of the day, you're still a divine part of this divine creation that we're going through. That's how I read it, right? Brother is remembrance, yeah. I did say remember, right? Remember, yeah, it's remembrance.

SPEAKER_05 51:00

Now you dropped some that's a lot of knowledge. You know, every human being is a star.

SPEAKER_01 51:04

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. But not just human beings, though, because life is universal as far as we know. All life is a star. Yeah, you know, perfect.

SPEAKER_05 51:14

Yeah, it's like a billion plus out there, yeah. Everything you each got a star like DMX in that you all you gotta do is find it. You just gotta find your path.

SPEAKER_01 51:24

Just gotta find your path. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 51:26

Does the moon represent initiatory madness?

SPEAKER_01 51:30

Madness? Yeah, did you say madness? Yeah, no, I hmm initiatory madness? Well, I when I think of the moon, I think of Thoth. I think of the Egyptian god Thorf. Yeah, um, he went to Greek and became Hermes, he went to Greece as Hermes, and then he went to Rome as uh Mercury, somewhere around there? Mercury, or it's the other way around, right? I think of Thor in particular. Um, so what is Thorf uh associated with? He's he's like the inventor of everything, yeah, right? He invented writing, he invented geometry, he invented government, he drew up the blueprints of the universe.

SPEAKER_05 52:12

The Karbalian, yep.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

And he's also known as the possessor of the word.

SPEAKER_05 52:19

Yeah, yeah, can't find that word.

SPEAKER_00 52:23

They're looking they're looking.

SPEAKER_05 52:25

Yes, they're looking for that word. We come up with everything, but we've like, yeah, don't know what the word is. But it was Thorf.

SPEAKER_01 52:31

Yes, sir. That's what I think of when we in terms of the moon. Um, because of course, like you mentioned before, this ties into Kabbalistic correspondences as well, right?

SPEAKER_04 52:40

So of course, very much.

SPEAKER_01 52:41

We're only talking about the 22 major trumps, but that's only a cross-section of the entire what 78 cards, right?

SPEAKER_05 52:50

Yeah, but damn, bro, it's a lot. It's a lot, like yeah, yeah. You know, that's why I be getting angry. I'm like, you know, since before I before I became a member and now as a member, I have acquired so many damn books, and I'm still going through them. I'm like, there's a lot to pick up, but you know, I you know, each other day I grab a chapter from each one, or you know, I stay with one, and it was just so much information to take because I'm like, okay, we're talking about the 22 paths. Now the 10, it's the 10th Sephora. And for the 10 Sephora, you gotta break those down.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

The 10, not nine.

SPEAKER_05 53:22

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Yeah, 10, not 11. Yeah, men learning about the Sephirothra and ya, and it's just like, yo, and then there's the other side of it, there's a side that people don't talk about the the the clip of fault, yeah, which is we have to know back you know, as above so as below.

SPEAKER_05 53:41

So you're like, what goes on down there now? And you gotta look down there, and it is not too much of this difference in varying degrees, but I'm like, it's the same layout, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:52

You know, and it's and what I found interesting about the Cleepolt is that that word is also used um to describe a concept called shells. And the best thing that I can think of about shells is that they form around, imagine it forming around you based on your actions, and it is blocking the infinite light, the the angel or that we're reaching for, right? So clue pulk is like veils of darkness around you that you have to like recognize and eliminate, which people go through life amassing these hard shells, yeah, you know. So the clue part I think is designed to help us recognize what shell we're in so that we can take steps to get out of it.

SPEAKER_05 54:39

Oh we did we we all did we all went past the clip of at one point.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 54:47

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

So um it's like that veil wisdom. You didn't know it at the time, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:54

You didn't know, and that and that's why you see people do like you know, they do the spiritual cleansing and stuff to clean their aura. Because you know, you interact with people every day, you're picking up these vibes, you know. Energy has information encoded into it, so it's like I'm picking up this nastiness. Man, it's a lot, bro.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

That was one thing that I learned from the 12 tribes of Israel, uh, which was a rastafire insect, was not to shake hands, it was always a fist bump because that that shaking hands is the that the exchange of energy. You all know what that was going on with that person or this person or what happened, bro.

SPEAKER_05 55:28

I I do that too sometimes because I'm like it's because you're leaving the imprint, digital imprint on the person, like you know, the thing is coming across the fingerprints, it's a lot of energy. That's what I'm saying. Once you open up the books into these things, you start looking at stuff differently, like what the hell? What kind of world am I in? Yeah, you know, so um does the world mark initiation as completion?

SPEAKER_01 55:58

That's funny. You just say does the world mark as in the world tarot card, right?

SPEAKER_05 56:06

The world of tarot card or people black. Oh, once you initiate it, that means you know everything about the universe. Like you got it down back.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

So I I found it interesting. Let me let me make sure I'm right, man. The world, the world is mark, is that it actually means mark or cross, and it also told it also corresponds to Saturn and it has a value of 400. It corresponds to the Hebrew letter Tov, which is the last letter, right?

SPEAKER_05 56:34

Etymology, I mean not etymology. You do you're doing Jimatra with the numbers here? Are you adding up the 400?

SPEAKER_01 56:39

Yeah, yeah, that's the that's the that's the numerical value of that letter. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:43

Okay, okay, okay. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 56:45

So when you said Mark, I mean, when you formulated that question, did you realize that you were using that? Because I was like, that's that's interesting. No, it's just the it's the listen, let me see.

SPEAKER_05 56:58

Hold on. I get, you know, like I go online and I and I take my books. I got so many damn stuff I ask questions. Like, I go through stuff like this. I don't know if you're familiar with this book.

SPEAKER_01 57:08

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 57:10

I see yeah, and then there's another book. I'm tapping to different things, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 57:18

I don't know if you can see that.

SPEAKER_01 57:20

Uh sorry, glimps. Oh, okay, gotcha. Gotcha. Okay, okay. So you know what time it is.

SPEAKER_05 57:28

Yeah, so I see I see what's going on with with what's around us. So that's why I ask these things. Because you know, uh as little people may take it so they'll overlook this. Your name has a meaning to it, it has numeric value to it. People look at that. Your words, the frequency, things that you're saying, everything has a meaning at a deeper level, so it may resonate differently. So that's why I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 57:54

There was this, there is, I'm not gonna say was this concept that I learned about uh allegedly in Chemic, um, because I wasn't there at the time, so I don't know, but here we go. Uh, there's a concept known as a big name and a small name. Have you have you heard of this?

SPEAKER_05 58:13

Never have heard that one.

SPEAKER_01 58:14

It's it's similar to what we have today in terms of your government name versus your nickname.

SPEAKER_04 58:20

Okay. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 58:22

So your family would have your big name, no, they would have your your small name. That's the name that only a small amount of people would know, right?

SPEAKER_05 58:31

All right, yeah, we'll get that in our culture. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 58:34

Yeah, and then the big name is what you gave that gave everybody else.

SPEAKER_04 58:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:38

So when you say that the that that the names matter, they they do. Because even though, yeah, you called something and you made uh answer in the in the business setting, those people don't have the power. That was the whole thing, is because those people that know your true name can have power over you.

SPEAKER_02 58:59

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 59:00

You know, so and that just draws home what you're saying in terms of names have have meaning. Like it's wild. I don't this is gonna sound crazy. Um, very few people know my name.

SPEAKER_05 59:17

A lot of people don't know my name either. Like they I give them either listen, and they'd be like to put them like I just lunch can call you that. I'm like, I'm fine with that. Right because um you just write what you said to have control over you, and people may sound it spook find it spooky, but it's not spooky. It's like if you're trying to throw a hex on somebody, you can have a picture that's a powerful thing to tap into them or item of them. But if you don't have that actual name, you can have the regular name that they do commerce with their regular name, they birth name, but you don't have that name that resonates that really ties them to the cosmic.

SPEAKER_01 59:48

You would never and even what's his name? Um, Dale Carnegie. I want to say in the book How to Win Friends and Influence People, he talks about this. He's he talks about that the most beautiful. Thing that a person can hear is the sound of their own name. And then he goes on to describe how to use that in your favor, how to get leverage on them because they love to hear their own name. So this is proven science. This when you when you go to a dealership or anywhere where people are good salesmen, they always call you by your name. Yeah. I mean, you taught this from the gate, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:28

So your ego keeps you like, ah, you know, uh, definitely. My brother, we gotta get you back on here, man, because I enjoy this, man, and you have so much information, man. No, you're good. No, trust me, you're good. And you know, I don't know if you could do this before I go. If you could shuffle a card, I want to ask myself a question.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:49

You want to ask yourself a question.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:50

I'm gonna ask myself a question and have you pull a card.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

Uh we're gonna go with the um the the the Hebrew alphabet once.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:58

Oh, cool, cool, definitely, definitely. I don't know if anybody else is probably gonna be scared. Like, I don't want to say nothing on here.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

Man, there's a lot of things that people do. I've seen people do people will shuffle until something falls out of the way. I if something falls out, I tend not to pick that one up. You know what you say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it ain't I look at it like, oh, you weren't supposed to be in the mix.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:22

Let me see. Let me see.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:25

So you're asking yourself a question. Let me know where you have it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:35

I'm done.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:41

All right, so let's see what we have here. Ah, the letter gimmo. We have the letter gimmo. Um, which is the high priestess.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:54

What? I didn't even start yet. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Didn't even start yet. As we talked about before, the high priestess is something that's not birthed yet. It's not manifested yet. The seeds have been planted, right? Now, um, just on this card, it will it says focus on your life's path and manifest abundance, is what actually is written on the card itself without even getting esoteric about it. This is written right on the card itself.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:25

Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

You know, and um, you know, the uh the letter gimmel, as you mentioned, means camel, but the camel is also a symbol of commerce, it was the like a desert Uber, if you will. That's how we move things around. When Mansomusu came through and messed up them people's economy, he had camels that were laden with gold, right? So they're a symbol of desert industry. So I'm not sure how that may relate to your question.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:53

It does, it does.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:54

Dubai comes to mind to be honest with you, but I don't know if that even relates.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:57

But is it what comes to mind?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:59

Dubai. Yo, bro, you know what? Dubai comes to mind because that's that's the desert industry that comes to mind today, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:08

It was thinking about something relating to that in in life that I'm like, yeah, that's the next stop I'm making once I get over the situation. I gotta, I was thinking about gotta go to the um gotta go into the Middle East and gotta check out have to go to Africa too, like getting more in tune with the culture.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:26

Get more in tune. Because again, remember we said that also means rope or connection. So you're looking for a connection. When you say getting in tune, we you know, we're talking about a connection. So what are we looking to connect with?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:39

Oh, bro, family, you know, the family's from Haiti, and you know, I did the DNA thing, and I want to tap into more into my you know what where I descended from, like, you know, the Benin, Guinea.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:50

Oh, nice, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:52

You know, some some Mali. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:55

Yeah, that West Africa, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:57

Yeah, so I want to touch.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:00

He was from Mali, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:02

Yeah, so it's yo, bro, that's what I'm saying. Getting out of here with those cards, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:11

No, for real, it's very important, man. We gotta get you to get you come back here, so brother, because you did a lot. You know what I'm saying? You're very, very informative, very in tune, man. And it's important that people do get involved, man. So we gotta get you to come back on the show to do a part two, man. We gotta do a part two, but go deeper, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:30

Like, I definitely appreciate it. You know, I'm I'm taking these classes and raising these children and and trying to remain active in my lodge. So it's it's a lot of things going on. So just let me know, and uh, we'll try to make it happen best so we can, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:46

I'm getting text messages about people who say he's good, he's a light spirit. He's a you know, because I guess people that that are afraid, like, you know, they want to ask those questions, but they're like, you know, you don't want people to know, you know, their personal stuff, like on there.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:00

Yeah, that's the thing. Um, remember earlier when I said we all go into the black hole.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

So who's transparent or not? I don't think it's really. I mean, you know, I don't think that there's anything to hide. You know what I'm saying? If it can help somebody, somebody asked the question.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:17

What Grand Lodge is he from?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:20

Um, my lodge is under the most worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Georgia.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:25

Salute to Prince Hall in the building.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:28

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:30

I gotta I gotta come out there. So, with that being said, people, don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. Check out Brother Soul on TikTok. The brother got some great content, very funny. We slaying these conspiracy theorists that be on here talking craziness. We like get them, get them out of here, get out of here with that nonsense. So, um, don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe, check out the super chat, check out our merch. This was a great show on this Friday night. I want everybody to go have a great night, be blessed. Brother Soul, once again, I appreciate you, brother, for coming out.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:03

Absolutely. Thanks for having me, brother.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:05

Definitely, man. And with that being said, we out. Peace to the Boya Lodge.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:09

Boy, you're number one.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:12

Definitely. Peace to all my brothers, man. So more to be. Tomorrow, my brothers, peace, man. We all we got, man. You know what I'm saying? Stay focused. Remember that no matter what, we are all forever and eternal and apprentices. So we gotta always stay humble and keep seeking. That being said, I'm out.