The Art of Invocation: Summoning Spirits in Ceremonial Magic

A circle, a name, a flame—what actually turns these into results? We sit down with Man of Madim to chart a clear path through ceremonial magic, from Egyptian temple discipline and Greek papyri to Renaissance grimoires and the Golden Dawn’s color-drenched pageantry. No smoke and mirrors here: we unpack the structure behind spirit conjuration, why authority matters, and how faith and ancestry power the current more than costumes ever will.

We explore the Greek Magical Papyri as a dense, often incomplete toolkit and explain why beginners feel lost without solid foundations in correspondences and timing. Agrippa’s Three Books step in as a practical map rather than a relic, while folk grimoires like Petit Albert and the Black Pullet show how psalms, seals, and folk Catholicism fused into everyday protection and prosperity work. Along the way, we address real safety concerns around the Keys of Solomon, demystifying the lore while emphasizing preparation, purification, and a steady mind.

Then we move from theory to tools. You’ll hear a precise breakdown of talisman construction—sigils and psalms, fumigation with frankincense, anointing, and activating names—and why singing a name can open a scrying mirror when speech fails. We talk polarity without dogma, honoring masculine and feminine currents and the striking force of Marian and ancestral devotion in banishing and healing rites. The through line is honest: magic kicks up dust, shadow work arrives uninvited, and the microcosm reflects the macrocosm in every operation.

If you’re ready to turn ritual from aesthetic into engine—whether you’re curious about the PGM, the 72 angels, or building your first talisman—this conversation will give you a grounded, lineage-aware starting point. Subscribe, share with a friend who loves grimoires, and leave a review telling us which source text reshaped your practice

Transcript

Welcome, Guest Intro, Housekeeping

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Peace world, how you doing? It's your brother Mikey Fever. Welcome to another episode of NYP Talk Show. The coolest, the most coolest podcast within the conscious community. We are anti-BS over here. It's all about spreading love and learning information from all spectrums. Tonight we have a special guest, man of Madem. Before we go into the show, don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. We got super chats. We have merch, as you can see that I'm wearing. And do engage. When you do pick up your merch, do take a selfie, tag yourself to our social media pages to let us know that you're with the NYP movement. Without further ado, how you doing, brother? Amanda Madem. Welcome.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

Uh thank you for having me. I appreciate you welcoming onto your show. Um, and uh, I'm looking to enjoy a nice discussion.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

Definitely, no doubt, no doubt. That's what we're here for. So before we get into it, brother, where you from?

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Um I am originally from Southern California.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Um lived in Denver, Colorado for a while, and now I reside in Os Vegas.

Roots, Culture, And First Sparks Of Curiosity

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Nice, nice, nice. So you be out there, you be gambling, huh? I'm messing with you, brother. Uh that's cool. That's that's cool, man. So tell us about your background, man. What you um nationality-wise, how were you raised? Were you raised in a religious family?

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Um, so my mom came from the Philippines when she was around 11 or 12.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Um, they landed in Virginia and then came out west not long after uh she was in high school, I believe.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

And my my father is just your normal white American with all different types of uh English and blood. Um uh actually through my ancestry lately, I I found there's there's actually a lot of English on on that side, on my dad's side, but I've always kind of engaged more with my uh Filipinos side just because I I grew up around uh those relatives a lot more. Um, but no, we weren't a religious household. Um if if anything that got me into religion, faith, or any anything else that has to do with the concept of God and spirits, uh it was mostly just like watching like horror movies as a kid and and the supernatural aspects of those that kind of you know made me gravitate towards the the unknown realities of of the world.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Um so I've always been curious about that.

Born-Again Debates And The Occult Doorway

SPEAKER_02 3:18

That's dope, that's dope, that's dope. So like before we get in, what what got you into like you know learn wanting to learn about the occult? Like what really um you know made it concrete thing to want to learn the occult?

Music, Crowley, And The Grimoire Rabbit Hole

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Um so yeah, growing up, I had some my my aunt and my cousin, they were they were pretty hardcore born-again Christian. He was homeschooled and everything. So me and him would often chat about God and things like that. Um, and that kind of just you know increased my curiosity and and what I would hear him say about uh you know people being damned to hell and things like that. I it really just made me think like, ah, there there has to be more to it than this. So um that's what led me to alternative faith. Um being at a young age, I really wasn't, I didn't have the capabilities to grasp like Buddhism or Hinduism or anything else that was outside of the Abrahamic world. Um and so I found myself looking at more towards like the rebellious sides of uh religion. So you have your you know, Anton LeVay's satanic Bible and his form of um and so that uh you know again kind of diving into that is what kind of really just like reinforced my curiosity in the occult. Um then I I met I met a um a good friend of mine that was a coworker of my dad's when I I got kicked out of school, had to start working, and he kind of turned me on to like Crowley and um and like the Necronomicon and things like that. And he showed me like a lot of cool like death metal bands that were really into um their their um their music substance was you know revolved around ceremonial magic and cool stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 5:30

So that you know that kind of music, yes, yes, yes.

What Ceremonial Magic Actually Is

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Um I was I was always a lover of all different types of music, so I could go from death metal to Celine Dion, it didn't matter. Um but uh yeah that solidified my interest in the occult. And then I in my teen years, I really didn't do much dabbling in it because I was really trying, I I was interested in ceremonial magic, and he kind of had if you don't have a means of like of finance, you really can't do it because it costs, yeah, it costs it costs money, so um I really focused on my career. Uh that's when I got into cooking. And 2019, when I moved to Denver, is when I finally decided like to really follow through with my with uh a practice, and that's when I looked up a Golden Dawn temple in Denver, and uh I was initiated into that temple.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Okay, that's what's up, man. Pretty thorough, pretty thorough, man. And I know about the music because they had like the um who was it, Ozzy with that, Mr. Crawley. Told you, I I used to be I used to be I used to be pumping that music back then too on the low, you know what I'm saying? So let's let's get into it. Let's get into it. What is serial what is ceremonial magic?

SPEAKER_01 7:09

Ceremonial magic, um that's a that that is a broad question for sure, but I guess the most simple way to put it, it's magical tech, it's uh magical techniques that derived from Western magic, um and compiled into a a ritual or a ceremony. Um there's a lot of different ways that I can talk about it, but I think that is the most simple way to put it. It's just a it's continuous rites one after another um of spirit conjuration, invocation, and uh most likely a petition or a charge of the spirit or some type of spell casting uh that the whole amalgamation of rites culminate into.

Egypt, Greece, And The Fertile Crescent Threads

SPEAKER_02 8:15

Got you. That's dope. And I know you mentioned rites and that because that's very important when you know dealing with ceremony ceremonial magic. We gotta know rites and therapy, right? So what role did the ancient Egyptian temple play in the development in the development of ceremonial magic?

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Oh, I mean, so what we practice in Western magic today, um, let me let me backtrack a little bit. So within the within the Western magical community, a lot of people see ceremonial magic as being more of the modern Golden Dawn style of magic, lodge magic, um uh, you know, magical renaissance magic as in like in the Victorian age, the 1800s, early 1900s. Um, and then you have uh grim war magic, which is still very ceremonial. Um, so ceremonial magic is a good umbrella for that, but all of this magic that we practice within the Western traditions, it all came from the Fertile Crescent. So we're talking about uh Arabic influences, we're talking about um Mediterranean and and um uh of course Greek, we're talking Egyptian. Um, all of those had a big role to play, especially uh Egyptian uh magic. So even all the way down to the ways that they would uh shave their entire body and really like focus on what they were eating in their diets before they went in as priests to invoke whatever god or whatever temp uh of whatever temple they were um a priest for. So all of those techniques that the Egyptians and the Greeks and the um and Romans and and all the way to you know the Byzantine Empire and all of these things that they did is now has been now um pretty much condensed and reduced down into some form and crystallizing what we see in Western traditions today.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Oh, okay, that's that's dope. So also the great the Greco-Roman therapy system um influenced the system as well, the therapy, yeah, yeah, for sure.

PGM 101 And Why It’s Not Beginner Friendly

SPEAKER_01 10:44

So, like if we're talking about Solomonic grimoires, uh the uh proto-Solomonic grimoire would be the Higromantea, which is a uh Byzantine, um which came from Byzantine manuscripts, which is Greco uh Roman, I I mean, you know, it's it's it's in Byzantium, it's it's Eastern Roman. So there was just so many, there was there was Jewish, there was Greek, there were there were so many different um influences in these early manuscripts that that's what you see today. Um if we are going to really pinpoint a lot of the influences, a lot of it for sure would be Greek and Greco-Roman influences. So if you look into PGM, which I'm not an expert on a PGM, but there is there's a lot of binding spirits, a lot of invocations of different gods to help bind spirits and to and to give them charges and petitions, and that is a lot of what you see in in the uh Solomonic Grimoire corpus.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

If you don't want to say, like, what is PGM? You know, that that's something yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

So it's uh it's the Greek magical papyri or um papyri Greco Magicae. Um, and so that's just a big old manual of it's it's a it's a composition or yeah, it's just a huge book of spells that were um it's greco-roman and greco-egyptian spells. So you're going to have invocations to Osiris and then to Selene, you have uh Egyptian and a Greek god in the same invocation, and and then you'll see Shaddai in there, which is a uh a Hebrew uh name, uh God name. So you have all of these different names that that are in it, and it's all these different gods that are being invoked. So the that is the in short, that is a PGM. It's just a big old spell book that um you know how to practice magic, you're probably not going to know how to practically use it.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

Oh wow. So you'd be like like dare you'd be just just be it's basically throwing whatever stick to the wall with that PGM book. So you're just on your own, basically. Is it is it self-taught, or is it like you gotta have somebody to guide you to like really guide you with that?

Agrippa, Renaissance Sources, And Reference Maps

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Um it's kind of one of those things, like if you pick it up at the beginning of a practice uh of your practice and you don't know much of the foundations of magic, you're really gonna be kind of lost, uh, as with a lot of grimoires. But after studying, you know, magic and and grimoire magic and how the formulae of magic and ceremonial ritual magic works, then you then you would be able to open up the PGM and be like, oh, I understand this, even though there's a lot of missing parts to this, I can make this work as a spell because you know how to plug and play, you know the correspondences, you have the foundations. All right, got you.

SPEAKER_02 13:51

So now we into grimoires. We know the grimoires really came into play like around during the medieval time with characters like Agrippa, right? Can you elaborate on Agrippa and others?

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Oh man, I I wish I was uh a huge expert on Agrippa. Um, even reading his three books of occult philosophy was an uphill climb. Um he was I I I don't want to put out any dates out there of when he lived and died. I I believe it's the 16th century, so the 1500s. Um yeah, he was a staunch Christian, uh very Catholic. Um in his three books. You have the uh first book on natural magic, the second book on celestial magic, and the third book on um ceremonial magic. And then that you have the the fourth book, which is quote unquote pseudo-agrippa. They don't know if he wrote it or not. Um they like back then they like to take people's names that were famous and slap it onto things just to give it some more clout, you know? Um uh but yeah, he uh he wrote the three books of occult philosophy, and he wrote a lot of other material too that isn't as popular as it should be. I didn't haven't really dove it uh delved into that, but yeah, three books. Um would say it is not a reference book, but as someone who practices, it is very much a reference book for correspondences, um like magic tables and all different types of techniques of how to create sigils and create uh ritual and and and all that fun stuff.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

All right, that's dope. Before we get into sigils, right? I like to you know add this in the in regards to authors of grimoires back then. I know from my studies, and again, I'm just like you said, I'm not no expert, but you know, I came across like people like Pope Honorius. Um what's the other Pope? That was the other guy's name, he was kind of banned from uh Pope Leap. Can you read that?

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Uh there is uh Pope Honorius, the sworn book of Honorius, and then there's the Grimora Pope Honorius, which is the more uh oh um no, I'm thinking of a saint.

Folk Grimoires, Bibliothèque Bleue, And Diasporic Crossovers

SPEAKER_02 16:18

Um I I think I think Saint I'm talking about too is another saint. I forgot his name. He got like uh damn, I forgot his name. It'll come back to me. But we know we had what say it?

SPEAKER_01 16:28

Saint Cyprian, Cyprian, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Cyprian, yeah, Cyprian. He's also considered a sorcerer or magician as well. And then we had um in French, there's a book called Le Grand Petit Albert from Albertus Magnus.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Oh Albertus Magnus, yes, uh the Petit Albert, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

Petit Albert, how I know about that. You see, now I'm gonna reveal some things about me. My father had that book in the house. Let me tell you. I don't know what he did, but growing up in that house, I was seeing things. I was like, oh hell no. Like, you know, and you know, people like, oh, Mikey's bugging like because you know, Mike doesn't believe in Anunnaki's and stuff, but let me tell you Anunnaki's I get this stuff that he was uh conjuring from that book. Yeah, I've seen that energy. Yo, I seen the shift of energy. I felt it. It was that book, and there was another book called Um La Poule Noire, which is the Black Pulay.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Yes, yes, the black, yeah, the Black Pulay. Uh yeah, the uh um the hen that lays the golden eggs. Um different names for it for sure, but yeah, those grimoires were part of the bibliothek blue. Um uh they came, I think it was 17th, 18th century, is when they started to loosen up the printing on certain on books. So they started putting out all the these books with like blue covers on them, and so you had all of these uh very, very novelty like grimoires where it's like uh make a pact with the devil and and all of that stuff. Um and so yeah, you have a lot of those bibliothek blue, and and so later on in other practices, like you would see in ADRs, like the diasporic um religions, they would actually use a lot of those, like the seven and six uh book of Moses and yesterday. I got the idea. Yeah, the Black Pullet, uh the Grand Grimoire, they they would uh what else is another one? Um the Encaridion, I don't uh know it's um no, it I think it is uh uh the the Black Polet. But um yeah, they they would they would use those, and that's where you would see a lot of convergence between you know these uh these ADRs and uh their practices, and then you would sometimes see, oh, they're using a Solomonic pentacle there. That's that's actually cool, you know.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

Okay, so so we we know about those, right? Those books, and I'm glad we know we had uh Agrippa, the other Black Poolet, Alberta Magnus, and we had the Goatia, which is the greater keys of Solomon, uh, and the lesser keys of Solomon and some necromancy stuff.

Keys Of Solomon: Safety, Lore, And Practice

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Um yeah, the the the Ars Goatia was is the lesser key or the la Megaton, and then uh the greater key was just by by default named the greater key by AE Wait, but originally it's just the key of key of Solomon, and there's all different types of manuscripts of the key of Solomon, so there's so there's many keys, but um the Ars Goatia is part of a series of books within the lamegaton.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

All right, I know we I know we're steering, but we're gonna get back. Just for the for the sake of the listeners and viewers, is it safe for one to pick up the greater keys of Solomon or not? Because I I I I I hear like I get a lot of um pushback from some elders around me growing up. They say, yo, don't touch that book, like the clavicle of Solomon, or they call it like, yo, if you if you're not ready, you don't touch that book, you don't. With that book, it can harm you. I'd like to know what is your um point of view on that.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Just having a book isn't going to mess with you. Um, if if someone opens up the book and they start messing around with it, either nothing's going to happen, or if you do, if they do end up seeing some stuff around their house, I am of the the theory that they there is something going on in their life that has attract that attracts that type of stuff in the first place. Um so I think it's rather harmless and just having the book on your shelf isn't going to hurt you, even probably saying some of the reading some of it you know out loud probably isn't gonna do much um do much of a change around you. But like I said, if you within your life live a certain way and you've already are predisposed to certain things kind of being attracted to you, then you might have some lights flicker here and there.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Some light flickers and things flying, you know, because I listen to her stories, and there's a lot, there's a lot more grimoire, especially written by the French that I noticed because they were like heavy into the like ceremonial magic stuff. Yes, yeah, you know, um, like authors, like you said it, A.E. White. Um another author, Franz Bardon, I think.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

Franz Bardon, yeah. I think he was I think he was German.

SPEAKER_02 21:36

He was German, okay. Yeah, Franz Bardon, and um I guess damn this other ones are just running blank in my mind. There's just so many books, yeah. But we'll get back to that. What is the significance of the Hermetic corpus and ceremonial magic?

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Oh, the other Hermetic corpus. Um, so like you're talking about like the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus, right?

SPEAKER_03 21:59

Yes, yeah.

Hermeticism, Neoplatonism, And Planetary Frames

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Um those I couldn't go into depth or detail about it because I'm not really a scholar of Hermeticism and the Hermetic texts, but I will say that Hermeticism and Neoplatonism and Kabbalah, all of those, all of those um philosophies and and cosmologies played a part in how we view um the spirit realm and how we approach magic. So if we are going to look at like the the hermetic uh cosmology of the of the world being in spheres, where you have the the lunar sphere, then the solar sphere, and then and then the planetary spheres, um that plays into how we actually will uh formulate a ritual, you know. Uh-huh. Um, so those call those cosmologies for sure have have sunk their teeth into Western magic. So we kind of operate based based on that. Not all the time, you know. We we think differently. We we know a little bit more now nowadays. We know how that the that's not how the world is structured, but um we do have this, you know, uh Mars will have an effect, the the planet will, the star will have some type of effect on you. Saturn will have some type of effect on you, depending on its orbit, all of these things. So I don't know if I can say that's totally Hermetic, but I but I can say that the cosmologies of Hermeticism did affect the way we practice, along with like uh Neoplatonism and um Jewish uh mysticism.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

You're right about that, because it does it does tie into it, because you know, the her the seven hermetic principles, like you know, when you talk about the correspondence and the rhythm of things, so it does like you know, somehow is interlaced in there because um like if we study one book, it's kind of like no with no disrespect to each one, but it's kind of like studying all because they you see they all start making sense. Like they kind of memory each other, but it's like different terms because there's like a lot more to it to add to it. And and like ceremonial magic is something that again should that should be approached with proper care. Not to be fearful, but you gotta really be in tune and know what you're doing. Like, as you mentioned, certain sacrifices must be made, like whatnot to eat for X amount of days, you know, to prepare yourself, abstain from any relations and stuff like that, you can't consume no alcohol, so it's a lot to put into it, and again, as you said, you gotta spend some money.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

Yeah, yeah. You don't you don't want to waste all that money you just spent on that operation, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

Yeah, exactly. The operation as they call it. So, how does um ceremonial magic define the relationship between the microcosm and macrocosm?

Microcosm Meets Macrocosm In Ritual

SPEAKER_01 25:17

So uh, I mean that old maxim of as above, so below, um it's in it's the same thing as as within, so without. So, you know, something happens on the astral on the spiritual planes, we see an effect here, and and vice versa. Um so you know, the the way that the microcosm and the macrocosm, they feed into each other, you know. Um, I couldn't go like too deep into that. It's been a while since I really like contemplated such things like that. I used to contemplate things like that when in my golden dawn days all the time. Um, I've become a lot more practical now. Um when it comes to like philosophy and things like that. I'm pretty much the type like, hey, where do we go when we die? Uh I don't know, I haven't been there yet, you know. Um a good way to look at it is like you you you see in Kabbalah is the um they they say uh Ketter is in Malkut and Malkut is in Ketter, you know, the top sephra, you know, and then the lower sephira. So that so God is in is in our world and our world is within God, it they reflect each other. So I guess that's a good way of putting it is that like the microcosm and the macrocosm reflect each other, um, like two mirrors facing each other. So uh there's always gonna be what we do in ceremonial magic. If we do it correctly, then we will have some type of effect on the outside, we'll cause some type of change, whether it be inner or outer.

Golden Dawn Pageantry And System Thinking

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Outer, exactly. Beautifully said, man. I love how you put that together. I love that. Um, because man, it's just so much the ceremonial magic, and I'm so excited talking about this, right? Before we go, just a little slight veer we're gonna take. When you got involved with the Golden Dawn, and again, not to reveal anything, how was like the experience? Like, what made you like, you know what? That's it. I'm going in.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

What pushed you? So when uh before I was initiated, I I remember like picking up books, um, it's and showing like Golden Dawn um regalia and things like that. So if you've ever seen a Golden Dawn uh ritual or initiation, there's a lot of pageantry, there's a lot of colors. They were really into flashing colors. So you're gonna see uh red and green, you're gonna see blue and orange, you know, you're gonna see violet and yellow. Um and it's it's just really like I've um heard a lot of people kind of call it like um uh I forget the name of the toys, but they they're like, but they look like toys, the things that they're implements, they're they're just so colorful, they look like uh child plaything, you know?

SPEAKER_03 28:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

Um, and just the structure of it and the the pageantry of it really just drew me to um the Golden Dawn, other than the fact that I was always really like just intrigued by ceremonial magic. Um, so I would say that and just the the mystique behind it, the the complicated systems that you see within the Golden Dawn before you even initiated, and when you are initiated, just all of these things that there's just so much to it that if you some people might be overwhelmed by it, intimidated by it, but for me, I saw like it was a huge puzzle, you know. You got to I got to put things together and in a in a very poetic sense, it's not like you're not putting together things in in that system like math, but everything clicks more like poetry, you know? And so even though, say, for instance, kundalini and the serpent of the garden of Eden are not connected at all through contemplation, through through the through what you learn in the Golden Dawn, you learn how to contemplate it in a way that where you can connect them, like they have nothing to do with each other, but kind of make them meld together in my mind and and see, and that helps reveal some things about each one of those topics. Um, so that was a huge uh thing that really kind of you know solidified my my stance in you know uh the golden dawn at that time.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

That's dope. That's dope. And what you said is so it's so profound, it's so true because it does like when I got into it, I'm not no expert, but it's just like you start things start making more sense. Like it's it's no longer just three-dimensional no more. You've like there's something behind it. I'm not looking at it, I'm looking through it, and I'm understanding it now, like a science because it does something to your mind. You know, it makes sound like, oh, you just you just um somehow it's you willfully, as I said earlier before we got on the show, like when reading crawley books and stuff like that, you deconstruct into your mind the barriers, and you be like, you know what, I'm gonna look at this from all sides. I want to know the essence of it, why you know, and it's and to rebuild it, and then you start saying you start seeing things making sense, but so abstract, but it makes sense. Like a regular person will just look at it, and I try to say that we above that, but trust me, your mind starts seeing things like within this chaos, it's order, it has to function this way, you know what I'm saying?

Symbols That Change Meaning Over Time

SPEAKER_01 31:03

A good a good example of that. Um, I would say, so within I believe it's the Zelator Grade, um, you receive, and it has to do with the uh triplicities of the zodiac, it's a it's a swastika, right? And it's not the swastika in the sense of you know Nazi Germany, but the swastika in the sense of uh of a wheel, um exactly that we see in the to Tibetan shrines and things like that before before that guy got a hold of it and ruined it. And um, but on this swastika, you have these um the or the the rifle cross, I guess. So you you have the um different triplicities of uh zodiacal signs, and uh and they all kind of associate with each other in a circle and they connect in a in a very strange way, anyways. My whole point is that's an example for when I see a swastika, I no longer think of uh I that history is still a part of it, but it now has a different layer of meaning to me, you know. Yeah, so going along with the point of that, seeing through things and deeper meanings. Got you.

Shadow Work As An Inevitable Side Effect

SPEAKER_02 32:20

We have a question here from Sully. Shout out to Sully. She's asking, is shadow work or healing an important part of your practice?

SPEAKER_01 32:29

Oh, um, so it's always a part of a practice because you when you are dealing with yourself and trying to engage with spirits and try and it all with the means to affect some type of outcome in your life, you're always kind of forced to face yourself. Along with that, when you are dealing with magic, it tends to kick dust up in your life. Um, so any type of inner inner things that bother you that you haven't really confronted, they will come to light. And so you you do have to confront those certain qualities about your personality that are a little seedier um than others. So whether it was something, it's like whether I set out to do shadow work, it it's always gonna be a component that you cannot avoid when it comes to working magic.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

Gotcha. That's dope. That's dope. So it's oh that's a beautifully said. You got the answer, Sue? Yeah, that's that's dope, bro. So I'm glad you mentioned that you know she mentioned the shadow work. So this goes right into that. How does ceremonial magic interpret the nature of consciousness?

Consciousness, Spirits, And Shared Fabric

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Oh man, there's so many different ways to go about this. You're gonna have so many different like ideas and and theories on this. Um, I kind of look at con, so it's gonna come down to a personal uh perspective to each each each and every magician is gonna have a certain way they look at it. They might have some similarities, but I see consciousness as it is unified. I do see it's like a blanket, it's a fabric that we all live within. Um, and through through consciousness is where the threads and the intertwined threads are where we find ourselves, our thoughts, our archetypes, spirits, everything with with that's within this within this world that we live in. As in not world, as in earth, but the world. Um, yes, reality. Um, so you know, when I think about consciousness and I am in doing a ceremony and I'm trying to engage with the spirit, uh, it's very it's not a figment of my imagination, it's not a figment of my scriar's imagination, it is an actual independent entity, but they were they are able to manipulate our consciousness, or not manipulate it, but kind of mold itself into say our consciousness is like a like a a a cup, and and that entity will fill that cup and conform to the shape of it. Um so it could show up to many different people as different things, but it but we understand it with a certain shape or certain type of personality, so it can conform to it, and so I think consciousness it affects the way that spirits engage with us in magic, and then it also affects the way that we perceive them and engage with them. So um that is my thought on consciousness when it comes to spirit engagement, and then anything else beyond that, uh, we would we would probably have to keep on, you know. Yeah, it's funny.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

I got this book right here, right? I got too many books, right? You've probably seen this one before.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

Uh, which one is that? Oh, the science of the Kabbalah, yeah, with the 72 Angels, right?

SPEAKER_02 36:27

And before, what's so beautiful about that? Because I see as you're speaking, I see you're moving, because I go through that too. Like when you're speaking about stuff like this, the energy starts flowing, like it usually, I don't know, usually start feeling in your spine, and you'd be like, Like, whenever I'm gonna practice, I do feel like I'm like, yo, like I'm moving, I'm like, why am I moving like this? Like, you know what I'm saying? Because certain incantations you're doing, then there's the incense going, and then the prayers are dropping. Talk talk about the 72 angels. Like, I always tell people the 72 angels consist of the four elements of the universe, right? Each of them, each of them have a uh they tie also into the zodiac.

The 72 Angels, Psalms, And Zodiac Links

SPEAKER_01 37:08

If we go uh yes, the the the because there's um 36 decans, I believe, and so there's two per decan. If I remember correctly, the 72 angels are actually derived from the you know 72fold name to Shemha Mephuresh, and that means pretty much the um the explicit name, I believe. Um and that and these angels were derived from the permutations of the of a certain verse in Exodus. I forget the verse exactly, but you uh yeah, oh I know what you're talking about because I yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

You know what? We're gonna just drop like this for the people. You can work with the 72 angels if you're reading Psalm 119. That's all I'm gonna say. It has them right there. You can you can also work with them, but I know when Exodus, I forgot. I like where you were going with this. I know when I damn, yeah, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

The uh and the 72 angels, they it they were a whole it was if you look into Johann Reutlin, he was a German um occultist, he kind of coined the whole thing of like of making of having 72 angels, so this was part of the whole Christian Renaissance Kabbalah thing that was going on, very much a Christian appropriation of Jewish Kabbalah, very much so. Um, but he kind of like he started started that engine up. Uh him in um I forget the other guy's name, Kircher, I believe. Um Avalusius Kircher, if I remember that name correctly. Uh yeah, they kind of got the whole ball rolling with the 72 angels being connected to the god names and and all that fun stuff.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

Yeah, and it's funny how um you you uh you mentioned that, right? Because that's also like positioning. Like I'm just saying, if people based on the zodiac, whatever they're trying to do, right? Positioning uh is it too much to say the LBR to sub mention that?

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Oh no, no, you're fine, yeah. No, it's very much known, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:19

Yeah, yeah. So we could talk about the lesser banishing of the um the pentagram rituals, like you know, before you go to bed, he like it's something I do before going to bed, you know. Right, and there's certain positioning you put yourself where based on your zodiac, if you go on, like if you were Leo Sagittarius, that's a fire sign. You go, you you aim towards the south to try to make communication with that angel, you know, Mikael, because he's that's how you there's certain tricks around it, like you know, things you come up with, you'd be like, All right, I'm trying to present to something that works that correlates with my zodiac. I'm trying to work with, so I'm gonna aim towards the north.

LBRP, Orientation, And Spirit-Led Adjustments

SPEAKER_01 39:57

Yeah, you know, that isn't a part of the trend. Traditional formula of the LBRP, but I'll tell you right now, that really sounds like something that like would be spirit-led. Like you're doing it, and then it tells you, like, oh, you you are a Leo, so it's best for you to do it this way. And a lot of the times our practice is spirit-led if we listen closely. So that's why you can never really give someone advice on how to go about a practice because it's like it's all very idiosyncratic.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

Yeah, damn. See, yo, love that, man. So see, we could keep you here. If I could keep people four hours of like, you'll stay four hours. We're gonna go all the way. We're gonna do a marathon on this because this is dope. How does serial magic explain spiritual authority?

Polarity, Gendered Currents, And Power

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Oh, spiritual authority. That's that's a good one. Um, spiritual authority is huge. Um, so Solomonic magic, obviously, the tale of Solomon. He he uh pretty much bound these demons to build the temple, right? And uh so you have this this lore behind it. So authority and being able to charge these spirits and have authority over them is a huge deal. Um, so we have these implements, we have these conjurations. If you look into the conjurations in the Heptameron or the Arsgoatia, um, or or the Key of Solomon the King, you have all of these things like, oh, like when Moses, you know, and it talks about Moses and the Pharaoh and how he made the, you know, they made his staffs turn into snakes, and and how he they made it rain uh toads, and then it talks about all these different tales within within the Bible, and it's saying, like, if you do not, if you do not adhere to what I am saying or fall to the knees of God, then I will cast you to the pit, like he did in this Bible verse, and you know, um, so you see that in the conjurations, then you have the implements, you have the crown, you have the sword, you have the the wand, all of these things of authority, you have sigils all over everything that is God names, divine names. You have you have become this badge of authority. I am Solomon, I am an instrument of God, therefore I am not to be played with, and you to what I say. Now, that isn't everything there. As I've practiced, I found faith has a lot to do with it. You have to have faith in it. Um, you can't just wear the costume and think it's going to work. You have to actually think that those divine names are actually powerful, you know. When I when I recite uh the rosary during um before conjurations, I feel the current of religious power within that through my ancestors, my Filipino ancestors who were Catholic as hell. So I feel there's a power current through that. And the fact that I believe in that, there it really adds to this authority within it. If I didn't believe it, then the spirits are like, you don't even believe that, anyways. You know, um, so faith has a lot to do with it. Um, in believing in what you're doing has a lot to do with authority, uh, authority, and then like within the circle, the circle you see in in the grimoires, there's always the main component that you will see is divine names. And I know we're used to think of circles as protection, which of course, you know, they do put a mental wall there, but I found that they mostly have to do with the names. It is pretty much saying this is under the jurisdiction of God, gotcha, yeah, and you are now at the presence of a child of God, a creature of God, whatever it may be. There is an oath that you made to God, and you also fall under God's mechanics. And because of this verse in the Bible says, I was made a little bit lower than the angels, but I have power of his works, you are now have to abide. Um, but that doesn't mean that they can't play with you or trick you or mess around.

Spiritual Authority, Implements, And Faith

SPEAKER_02 44:26

They will because you gotta come because um I'm glad you said that. Like you have to cover yourself before engaging in any operation, because you know, uh whenever you are praying, let's say, for good energy, because everything works in polarities, expect the negative to be there, even when you light that candle with good intention, the negative the negative is around there within that darkness. So, as you said, you gotta come in there and authoritize. Like, I, in the name of blah blah blah, say your rank, who I am, I cast out all wickedness, and boom, everything must be consecrated. You must make sure you consecrate things yourself, you must be pure when you step in. Yes, you gotta exert that energy that when you say it, you gotta say it with such force that you gotta feel it, like to a point you feel like your head, like yeah, I already felt that, like around, like okay. And then you gotta get into your operations, but you gotta constantly cover your operations. Somebody got a comment up here. Super interesting conversation, brothers. Peace, how you doing, my brother? Shawnee's loving this. How you doing, brother? All right, so next one I want to ask right here. This is a good one. Speaking of polarities, right? What is the role of polarity, light, dark, masculine, feminine, and ceremonial systems? Because you know, some people could be a little bit misogynist out there, and I'm like, nah, you need the polarity, you gotta work.

SPEAKER_01 45:48

Yeah, um, so it depends on what we're talking about. Um, if we're looking at if we're looking at gender as in more of an action rather than gender as in uh a like um something that's been generated, like male or female, like as in a woman and a man. If we're looking at gender as in masculine and feminine energy, then you know it has its places for sure. Um, you know, you will always look at Mars as masculine because it's active and it and it and it pushes and it forces. And then you look at something like Venus, which has its masculine traits at certain points because it's a bit fiery, um, but but it's more of the passionate lover, you know, it will take in and it will and it it accepts and it's so feminine feminine energy is a bit more passive while the masculine is active and they both have their they both have their pros and their cons, depending on what is going on and what you're working. Um but polarity, like if I'm going to talk about like spirits and like working with spirits and my squire, like there's been times where there's spirits that are very masculine in the way they show up, and then there's times where um they're very androgynous, and they really don't have a gender to them, and you can't really tell what it is. Um, you know, uh if we're talking about magic and and actual uh males and females working in in the like in the magical community, um you know it depends where you're at. I mean, it's it's historically it's a male-dominated thing, but some of the best magicians and seers that we've we have within our community or women, yo, bro.

SPEAKER_02 47:58

I say that all I'm gonna catch flag for this. Some brothers are like, what the hell you said? No, I'm telling you, because when we when if we in a circle whatsoever, right? And you know, depending on like you said, whether it's uh from a Christian magic perspective, Christian based, Islamic, whatever the case is, when we invoke a certain energy, certain words, we saying, Oh, divine mother, cosmic mother, this and that. You get what I'm saying? We know, like, you know, you start off, you say uh our fathers, whatever, this and that, you know, to give reverence, but then you like, oh, cosmic mother, divine mother, this and that, yo, nurse me back, help me with this situation. Yeah, you know, it takes the you know, the first teacher of every child is the mother for those nine months of gestation, and the womb is where we all strive to get back into.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

Oh yeah. Yeah, uh, you know, the um Mary, the Virgin Mary has a lot of like um has a lot of uh a lot of uh pressure or a lot of force within my within my uh ceremonies. Um I've I've we've had things come up around a circle before that we were kind of unsure exactly what it was. Um and I would say our fathers, but they kind of like uh whatever. But once I started reading those those Hail Marys, it was like all of a sudden, like, oh, like we don't want anything to do with this. So um you know that yeah, that divine feminine energy for sure. It's uh it's it's something else.

Service, Self-Interest, And Cosmic Role

SPEAKER_02 49:30

Yeah, man. It's true because you know, there are times like say, oh, Sekomet, oh Isis, Mother Isis, Sagwumu, all of those divine women, this and that. I even times if I'm doing something, I even invoke, like evoke, I'll say my grandmother name from both sides, and then I'll feel the energy like shift or healing, or say, for instance, you're doing like a divination for somebody, or making like a little whatever potion so they could just rub on themselves or work. You always say that let me contact the ancestors, and I always say ask for spirits first from your mom's side, and then we're going to your father's side. But it's most important to announce you, he or she is the child of such and such, who is a child of such and such, because it comes from that nil and it's from the umbilical cord of the universe is the mother, like the yes, the man plant the seed, but the temple that's being constructed without the sound of a hammer is in the womb. So we gotta get reference. So I I know a lot of dudes gonna be like, yo, I don't like this, what they're saying. So what we don't have no no, brother, we're not negating you. We're just telling you when it comes to these practices, we know where we headed. So um, what is the magician's role in cosmic order?

SPEAKER_01 50:44

Ooh, in cosmic order. Um well this, I mean, this can get a bit of a this is a quite grand question here. Cosmic order. If we're talking about order of the cosmos and we're talking about magic, and all of a sudden we're talking about the universe as being within ourselves, and what am I, what is the role of me within my own universe? Um, you know, but if if we're talking about within the the grand scale of things and like our role within the community, you know, um, and others, um, to be honest with you, magic can be a very selfish thing, you know. Um, if you look at the old grimoires, they're just like, how do I get paid? How do I get laid? I wanna, you know, I wanna I want gold, I wanna win horse races, and I want my enemies' wounds to fester after I shoot them with arrows, you know?

SPEAKER_03 51:54

He was saying that a lot.

SPEAKER_01 51:56

You know, uh, so uh all of these are they're very like, you know, kind of selfish things that uh that you see in these old grimoires. Not until the Victorian like magical renaissance did you start to see more of this like self-development thing happening when psychology and and eastern uh meditation practices came into play, then you started to see this inner alchemy that started to happen. And I think that is when uh you know we started to look at our practice more as something that could help mankind rather than just help ourselves, rather than just winning that that horse race or gambling.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

Talk about it. Yep.

Talisman Design, Fumigation, And Activation

SPEAKER_01 52:39

Um, so you know, it's you you see it all the way from like English cunning men in their villages being, you know, uh to you know, to the um to the Yoruba or the Congo people having their their you know, the doctors of the village that would help them and and and and things like that. So you always had these magicians within these um with within the days of old, within different cultures that would help their fellow community. And in the end, our role within you know the cosmic you know mechanism uh within humanity, that is the higher aspiration of it uh as compared to the lower desires of winning the horse race, you know. Um so yeah, I I don't know if I answered your quite the question.

SPEAKER_02 53:32

Was quite no, no, no, no, no, you did, you did, you did, you did. No, you did because like again with magic, it there are some people that just want things to be simple with magic, it's never a simple answer. You will not you get an answer with an answer with an answer with an answer. Like it it pushes you to dig deep. Because there's like you know, there's a base, but you never hit that base. You never hit that base. Never definitely before we get up out of him, ask one more question. We gotta do a part two, brother. We we gotta come back. You gotta do a part two because this is the people people loving this. You gotta come back. Yeah, of course. How are talismen created and consecrated?

SPEAKER_01 54:15

Oh um talisman, how are they created? You could uh make a lot of different things into talismans, uh, gotta it has to have that uh you know that that good juju behind it, um, you know, those good vibes uh or bad vibe, depending on what you're trying to do. But if we're talking classically, um you so if we were going to take a Solomonic pentacle, right? Many of these Solomonic Pentacles will have angels' names written around them, but more commonly they have a biblical verse written around them. All right. Now, this goes back to like those old school Jewish amulets where they would just have a scroll of the Torah written up in it, and it would help protect them against uh evil spirits or whatever, or you know, or disease or whatever it may be. So have these tentacles with the psalm written around it, and then you have usually in it, you have a diagram of like different types of sigils, and these sigils usually correspond to the planet. Some sigils that we see in these grimoires are tend to be a little bit like uh look like they're corrupted from older ones, or we just might not know where they came from. Um, but they nevertheless being part of that Saturnian or that uh or that Jupitarian pentacle, it's become part of that fabric. Um so you have these, and you have the psalm and you have the sigils. Yeah, the sigils are have the virtues of that planet, and the psalm also carries that powerful current within it. So uh just like you see in in uh hoodoo, there's a lot of psalm magic, yeah, you know, and that's because psalm magic is powerful, folk catholic.

SPEAKER_02 56:09

I love song magic. Listen, I deal with song magic, and and and and not to cut you, hold on to what you're saying. I always tell people if you take the word psalm, and this came from rest in peace to the elder, from the elder CL Frieman, psalm just means lamps. You only gotta you always gotta have a candle with it.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

Yeah, so that's all it is.

SPEAKER_02 56:29

I'm glad you said that.

Scrying, Vibration, And Next Steps

SPEAKER_01 56:31

Um, so you have this psalm, which is essentially the incantation for the pentacle. All right. Now, this is what I'm what I'm describing here is pretty much the structure of a talisman. You have sigils, you have some type of uh image that is connected to the the force, whether whether it be planetary, whether it be terrestrial, whatever it may be. Uh you can even be a talisman of your ancestors. Like I have made my my holy bible into an ancestral talisman to where I carry it with me to certain operations, and it's there to represent my ancestors. Um, so you have these images and then you have the incantation around it, the psalm around it. So now that you have this talisman with the image and the word, you now consecrate it, right? So you you would of course exercise the paper and the pens, whatever you make this with, because you want everything to be pure, you don't want it to have any of that bad juju connected to it, right? Yeah, there you go. Florida water and tobacco, perfect. You know, um, and so you you have you have this talisman that you made up and you want to consecrate it. You usually fumigate it, so you have like some burning frankincense. Frankincense is you know, is great for that, you know. And so you hang it over that, and I always look at it like you're fumigating a house full of rodents, you know, you're getting rid of them. Um also things in the Picatrix that talks about the heat of the incense actually activates the spirits within it.

SPEAKER_02 58:17

Oh Picatrix, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:21

So you you fumigate it, you you're you're you're consecrating it with the sufumigations, and then you still have to activate it, you know. Um, of course you sufumigate it with the uh with the incense, and then you sprinkle a little bit of holy water, you might anoint it a little bit with some holy oil that you made, you know, just you're really building up these layers of sanctity, you know, and then you activate it with the psalm, the incantation. And this is something you would usually say as you're putting it over the incense, or as you are uh, or as you are engraving it, or as it did this these words is what's like this is what's putting the intention and the will into not only the talisman, but it's also awakening the spirit within that root, within that herb, within that stone, whatever it may be. Um, whatever you're making into the talisman, you are awakening the spirits that are attached to those sigils, to that incantation. So, image, words, and then of course your holy water or your Florida water, whatever, your blessed water, and your suffumigations. However, you want to go about it, those are the components for how to create and to activate a talisman.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

Got you. That's beautifully said, my brother. Oh my god, see that's so deep. And then you gotta make sure that word vibrates. You gotta make sure you vibe, give that word life. You just don't say it hi, you gotta from the soul. Uh you gotta, you know, you gotta know that's working let it, you know, vibrate through you.

SPEAKER_01 59:56

Well, I I will say, like when you just Talked about vibrating. There have been times where I've said a conjuration and nothing was really coming through. But when I started to sing the name, like sing it like a like you would in a church, all of a sudden my squire's like, boom, there it is. That's what it was waiting for.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:16

We gotta talk about that squire, man. Because I think on your page, I know this, man. I was being a little nosy. I saw like you had that mirror. I'm like, my man got a magic mirror. Yo, that's crazy. Like, you know, that's my first second time seeing that. But I'm like, we got a magic mirror. We gotta talk about that next show. We gotta we gotta get into that because I like to hear a different perspective, like Taryl. I don't know if you familiar with John D, the works of John D.

Where To Find The Guest & Closing

SPEAKER_01 1:00:41

I just started getting into John D. Actually, my my scribe is my partner, and and she um has really wanted to start to get into Enochian uh because she's super interested in John D and Edward Kelly. So that's kind of became that's become her ball game because I don't know anything about Enochian.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:00

All right, we're we're we're gonna tap into some other things definitely, but man of Madim, thank you, brother, for coming out, man. I appreciate you for coming out tonight for um educating us, enlightening us on what's going on with ceremonial magic, how it's practicing your experiences. Where can the people reach you, man, if they want to learn more?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:19

Uh you could reach me at TikTok, uh Man of Madim, uh man underscore of underscore madim in the same handle for Instagram as well. Um Facebook, uh, you could find me under my name, Quinn Cover, Q-U-I-N-N-K-O-V-E-R. Um, and yeah, those are where you could find me. Um, and I'm usually pretty uh approachable and I don't ignore a lot of people unless they come at me in a very odd fashion.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

Definitely. Do you do tarot also? You do tarot all that, or you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:00

Um, I I did for a while, but I ended up switching over to old school playing cards because I I really liked the um how like conjure folks would use uh playing cards rather than tarot, even though I I do like tarot and I did uh mess with it for a while and I I understand the foundations of it. Um I actually like uh using playing cards.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:24

That's the best right there. All right then, my brother. I appreciate you for coming out, man. People don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. This video, I mean, this video will be on the YouTube, the audio will be available on all streaming platforms. Go back, watch it, learn from it, bring out a notepad until we meet again, we out. Peace.