Freemasonry & the Black Community: Debunking the Myths

Tired of the same old “secret cabal” stories? We open the doors and talk plainly about Freemasonry’s real footprint in Black communities—where the symbols come from, why the myths keep spreading, and what the craft actually asks of a man. Mikey and Jelani move past the internet’s favorite rumors and go straight to lineage, practice, and proof.

We start with the big misconception: that Masonry is a European invention. Jelani walks us back through Kemet, Solomon, and operative traditions that predate 1717 lodges, explaining how allegory, tools, and symbols serve moral formation, not spectacle. From there, we confront modern politics: recognition battles, “clandestine” labels, and why Prince Hall often gets treated as separate rather than parallel. You’ll hear candid stories of respect across lodges and the quiet ways real brothers recognize each other beyond paperwork.

Midway through, the conversation widens: the fez’s Moroccan roots, the difference between a fez and a tarbouche, and how Knights Templar history intersects with Moorish protection, finance, and the birth of banking. We also touch the Clock of Destiny, cosmology, and the legal memory of the Free Moors Act, all to show how identity, law, and ritual knowledge have braided together in ways most never learn. No grandstanding—just receipts, context, and a push to study with mentors who can ground claims in chapter and verse.

The throughline is simple and demanding: a lodge exists to make good men better. No shortcuts, no magic keys, no goat rides. We challenge cliques and cult energy, call out watered-down practice, and make the case for unity across orders and communities. If you’ve been curious, skeptical, or on the fence, this is your map to the deeper work and the wider history.

If this conversation sharpened your view, subscribe, share it with a friend, and drop a review. Then tell us: which myth do you still want us to tackle next?

Transcript

Welcome, Housekeeping, And Setup

SPEAKER_06 0:14

Peace world, peace world.

Topic Announced: Debunking Masonic Myths

SPEAKER_05 0:16

How you doing? It's your brother Mikey Fever, MYP Toro. Welcome to another dope episode. Don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. We got super chats. We have merch on the website. Brothers here have been very busy. We know the snowstorm came over the weekend and rocked us. So you know we're just now getting back to everything. Making sure we're giving you that good content that you love, that you have been following us for about three and a half. I mean three years, should I say? Peace to the NYP family. Peace to our viewers, our subscribers, our listeners. Peace to the brother Ron. We are awaiting the arrival of Brother Jelani. He should be with us shortly. Show some love in that comment section. Let me know where you're from. Peace to you all, man. I'm happy to be here with you guys. We're about to get busy and get it cracking on this show. Tonight's episode is Freemasonry and the Black Community debunking the myths. We are gonna get into the bottom of the myths that we have heard as a people about Freemasonry. I know in the past many of us got caught up in you know the beholder pair horses and these conspiracy theories and such and things we have heard as Masons riding the goats, and you know, they are selling their souls to Lucifer, and when you join, you're dancing with the devil, yada yada yada. David Ike said so, and you know, back then people spent their time listening to conspiracy theories and such, which you know, without knowing drew a lot of chaos and disorder and superstition about this fraternity. But the brother Jelani is gonna be with us shortly to speak about these myths.

SPEAKER_04 2:13

You know what I'm saying? So just bear with us for a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 2:19

Just bear with us for a little bit. So we're just waiting for the brother to get on, man. As for me, I'm working on a few shows to bring to you guys. I'm looking to um discuss more about the climate and history, the political climate and history of what's taking place in Haiti. I'm looking to get a show together with a few brothers to speak about the Rastafarian culture and movement. So you can have an understanding. That's just assuming that once you draw your, you know, you grow your hair and you lock them, it means that you're a Rastafarian. When I get more into the philosophy and perspective of what it takes to be a Rastafarian, the principles to live by, and many other things. Got some palomoyumbe coming up. Um some hoodoo. You know, I'm here to bring more into the culture. And I believe the brother, the brother just popped up. I don't know what happened to him, but he's coming up. Forgive us, y'all.

SPEAKER_06 3:19

There's some technical difficulties taking place.

Jelani Joins And Warm-Up

SPEAKER_05 3:33

Keep y'all in tune, interesting, and you know, lock into what we have going on. As we say, NYP platform is not about the drama. We're about educating and uplifting. You know, I'm not too much into those conspiracy theory things. It does nothing for me. Honestly. Without further ado, here is Jelani, our brother. Jelani, brother, how you doing?

SPEAKER_02 4:01

Good, brother, good brother. How about you?

SPEAKER_05 4:03

I'm good, man. Happy to see you, man.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Same here, man. Looking good.

SPEAKER_05 4:07

Looking good, you're looking younger, looking younger. What you got? You shaved ahead. How you feeling, man?

SPEAKER_02 4:16

One of them Gemini's I transform every once in a while.

SPEAKER_05 4:19

Oh, okay. I see. I hear that. Not the metamorphosis, baby.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

Yeah, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

Definitely. How you how you been though?

SPEAKER_02 4:26

I've been good, brother. You know, um, just uh you know, hanging in there, man, dealing with the politics, this cold weather, all the snow. It's kind of foreign for down here south of the border, you know.

SPEAKER_05 4:44

All right, all right, all right. Yeah, uh, here in New York, we got hammered over the weekend with the snow.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

That's right.

SPEAKER_05 4:50

Yeah, so the streets are still a little messed up, man. You gotta go dig your car out and find parking. You find that parking, you you don't want to lose it, man.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Bro, they don't even know about no snow piles down here, bro.

SPEAKER_05 5:02

Well, they don't know, they don't know anything about that out there, right?

SPEAKER_02 5:04

No, they don't know nothing about that sold on the ground, and nothing about that.

SPEAKER_05 5:08

Ah man, they got I know usually in the south that they get like a like not even an inch of like, oh my god, the city is shutting down.

SPEAKER_02 5:16

Oh, yeah, definitely. The last couple of days, man, they've been locked down. Just now seeing the asphalt.

Why People Think Masonry Is European

SPEAKER_05 5:24

Oh my god, crazy. So I hope I hope they do find some relief from that. Tonight's episode, people, is Freemasonry in the Black Community debunking the myths. Brother Jelani had to get him on here to speak about this because he may have some further insight on this than I do. I haven't been traveling for that long, but you know, I'm starting to see a lot more. And you know, I come across people who have these conspiracy theories that are, you know, when they find out I'm a traveling person, they are automatically crucifix on me, and oh my god, you stole your soul, and the devil's gonna get you. And you know, how much did you sell your soul for? And I'm like, I still wake up and do what I do in the morning. I still have to go to work. There was no big celebration, no one stole their soul, you know. So let's let's get let's get into it. Peace, peace, peace. Awaken one, peace to the god, peace to the gods, peace to the earth, peace, islam to the Moors, Salam to the nation of Islam and Orthodox Islam, you know what I'm saying? Peace to the um Hebrew Israelites and many other groups out there. All right, so let's get into going. The first question I have, my brother: why do people believe Freemasonry was only for white Europeans?

African Roots, Kemet, And Symbolism

SPEAKER_02 6:47

Because they were told to, you know, all you have to do is do a little bit of research, and you realize that King Solomon, the major player in the whole thing, that history is 900, that goes back to 900 AD. I'm sorry, BC. Yeah, you know, in the Egyptian depiction, um, Kereru, who's depicted on the walls, was called a Grand Vazier, and that's 4,000 years BC. So, but most people won't go far enough in their research, you know, to understand that this science belongs to us. Now, here's the dog going ram in the bush. Okay, we were taught that macery only goes back to 1717 in a cavern somewhere in England, all right. That that's what master taught us. See what I mean, and I'm talking about in modern times because you know the 1800s, we knew who we were, we had our own grand lodges and lodges and stuff like that. It just got regulated in Boston and um doing around that time. Gotcha, but we were operating before that, you know.

SPEAKER_05 8:29

Gotcha. That makes perfect sense because I'll you know, even before joining, I always look at the symbols. I'm like, this goes back to way beyond antiquities, like then chimmet. The science, everything goes back, it goes further back when you get deeper into it.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

Even the lion's grip, see, because most people think that even the rituals that are depicted in the uh speculative Freemasonic system, right? Well, were created by the European, and that's simply not true. He just did what he did, and that's usurp our history and culture and science.

SPEAKER_05 9:08

Tell him, you know, I'm glad to have you here to clarify all that. Were Africans involved in in proto-Masonic guilds before Europe formalized Masonry? We already answered that, but just to clarify, go further.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

Well, brother Mikey, last time I checked, uh Kimmitt is in uh Kibulan, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 9:31

Of course, just making sure because you know, some people be like, it's not these, it's not your craft, because you know, what is that? Hey, just to make it clear, I think they go on by again the conspiracy theories and seeing that these world leaders are involved in in this fraternity, but not every world leader is involved in this fraternity, there are many other fraternities out there that you know they just throw under the umbrella of Freemasonry and automatically. They see those are your masters, but not every person's a Freemasons, you know, there are many other fraternal orders out there, and that's another that's another thing, too, because like skull and bones, yeah, they're they're not an offshoot from Freemasonry, no, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 10:17

They're another type of fraternal order. You know what I'm saying? You have various other fraternal orders that deal with other animals and you know, um that did not directly come from the operative into the speculative Masonic system that we know today.

What A Lodge Is For: Making Good Men Better

SPEAKER_05 10:42

Awakening daily also asked this. He's like, if it if a lodge is a form, what is the function?

SPEAKER_02 10:50

The function is to make good men better.

SPEAKER_05 10:52

That's it, that's it. Glad you put it like that.

SPEAKER_02 10:57

Keep it simple, stupid. It's a system of morality.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

That's it.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

So if you're a good man and you want to be a better person, there are lessons involved in the Masonic order that give you instructions on how to better yourself, allegorical for that. Allegorical, that's that's what the allegory is, man. You know, so and then what you and then it's layers to it, and this is how we, you know, legitimate Masons, and I'm talking about those who actually went through um the initiations and stuff. This is how we can tell the ones who just wrote uh just read a book. Yep, because the information in the book is very superficial.

SPEAKER_05 11:49

That's how you walk it, baby. You gotta walk it because you will be tested.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

Yeah, you can say something slick, and our dog gonna ask you some more questions, you know.

SPEAKER_05 12:01

Yeah, you could, yeah, you could you could read that, but you call it all you want, but you can get tested in the physical, too.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Yeah, you'd be surprised how deep that rabbit hole goes. All right, absolutely. The brother said it's human uh male development male development. Absolutely, exactly, you know. Now, has it been watered down? Has it been um infiltrated?

SPEAKER_05 12:25

Yes, it has been.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

Say again, Mike.

SPEAKER_05 12:28

It has been infiltrated, watered down.

Infiltration, Splits, And “Clandestine”

SPEAKER_02 12:32

It's not even that, right? So, what you have is you have um, and this is with all due respect. Um, once you had the split PHO PHA, and PHA was finally accepted by the United Grand Lodge of England. This is when you started hearing that derogatory term, well, that misled term clandestine. Talk about it, see that's them throwing some gas into the fire, so that we melanated people will do what we do best, not get along, and we still have that Willie Lynch symbol symbolism within us where we feel like the information is not legitimate unless it comes from our children, the European, you know, so that's a perfect spectrum to this question.

SPEAKER_05 13:35

Why is Prince Hall Masonry often treated as separate instead of parallel? So, yeah, no, why is Prince Hall Freemasonry often treated as separate instead of parallel?

SPEAKER_02 13:48

Well, because during the um beginning of the 18th century, or the 1800s, I should say, you had moreanated Masons who actually asked the Grand Lodge of England, hey man, we are Masons, can't we just get along? That's what JT Hilton did in 1847. Well, a little bit before 1847, because when he asked them and they said, No, Negro, no ninja, he said, okay, fine, we'll do it. Y'all created your own, so we're gonna create ours.

SPEAKER_05 14:30

Makes sense, that makes sense. It is you know, ideally, it's supposed to be all brothers are equal no matter what, but you know, within a time like that, the mindset was different, where you weren't even viewed as a complete man.

Prince Hall, Recognition, And Politics

SPEAKER_02 14:43

I can't really say that, Michael, because more often than not, um I've met European Masons. I remember I was bouncing at a bar, and I always wore my turban. And one of the people who uh was also a bouncer, he was a European dude, and he was a member of the European Lodge in the town, and he was aware of me being a Moore and everything, right? So one night, about eight of his uh lodge members, because doing my job, I like to sit in a in a corner somewhere in all black and watch what I need to watch, you know. Exactly, and um they lined up single file, brother, and each one stopped at my table and bowed to me, acknowledging that their knowledge comes from us.

SPEAKER_05 15:47

That's dope.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

See what I mean? I've had people, I was at an iHop, and a European gentleman walks up to the table, puts$20 on the table, says, have a good day, brother, and walk the heck off. See what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 16:04

That's peace right there, you know.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

So, and I'm not glorifying that, um, but respectfully, I will make this statement that when I was asked whether I was this hall, and I said I was national compact.

SPEAKER_05 16:27

What is that?

SPEAKER_02 16:29

National compact is a free accepting ancient York Masons national compact with the USA. Okay, it was established by John T. Hilton in 1847. All right, so um, and I used to rent out a York Wright Lodge, and when I met the Grand Master of that lodge, he didn't refer to me as Prince Hall, he refers to me as oh, you what you that national compact dude.

SPEAKER_04 17:01

Got you, got you.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

See, because respectfully, the Prince Hall affiliated lodges are under the jurisdiction of the United Grand Lodge of England. You get me?

SPEAKER_03 17:15

I read, I read that.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Yeah, yeah, we're independent, we got our own thing.

SPEAKER_05 17:22

Okay, you know, got you, and I'm glad you mentioned that because I met a few European um brothers as well, and on a even before, so on a human level, we connected and we were you know conversing about different things, and when we found out we both were travelers, we it was like, Oh, it made it like it reinforced it even more, like, oh shoot, like you this and that. We went back and forth, we didn't even get to the politics, we just like, oh, you just a brother, you know what I'm saying? So I see the um on the scale of of fraternity that it brings, no matter what nationality or ethnic group you come from, depending on the person's heart.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

That's the way it's supposed to be. You know, you can have a conversation with a uh prince won't mention it. We both reading it, right, Mike?

SPEAKER_05 18:17

Yes, yeah, yeah, we both up reading it. I'm like, okay, peace. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

But you gotta understand it goes right back to that old um that old thing where you got the black ant and the red ant in the jar, and somebody shake it up, and they both think that they need to fight each other. That's what's going on with the Asiatic Freemason. See, when he when they go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 18:43

No, no, no, no, I'm listening to you.

Human Bonds Across Lodges

SPEAKER_02 18:44

I'm listening to you when they finally let them into the United Grand Lodge, they coined their charters Prince Hall Mason, Masonic charters. You see what I mean? Respectfully, there's York right, Scottish right, and Memphis right, those are the three main families of Freemasonry going all the way back to Kemet. Yeah, Prince Hall is not a Masonry, you see what I mean. So, and this is my humble opinion.

SPEAKER_05 19:21

Let's just respect to the brother. I don't I don't want brothers that are Prince Hall to feel disrespected. No, this is his opinion.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

I know we got listeners, and I don't want to offend anybody, but it's like almost almost got almost they got played. You know, I think it was an insult. I think it was an insult to not take him in on a York right or Scottish right level because most Prince Hall was have always been Scottish right. You know, back in night back when I first started, that's how you told the difference between Prince Hall origin and Prince Hall. Affiliated because they only had three lights on their car. Whereas we had seven or eight of them on ours. See what I mean? So what's the what's the other saying?

SPEAKER_05 20:13

Nah, that's the information if you gave me just right there. But I was gravitated to Morris Science, so as uh so I as what's supposed to be a Freemason through Prince Hall as a member of Morris Science Temple. I'm guessing he's saying that the Morris Science Temple was the best thing for him.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

Okay, all right. Um well, the answer to that question is um, do the research, our prophet Noble Jalee, he was a member of the national compact. And I remember when I first met the prophet, I had already gone through all the initiations up to 32nd degree. And when I came in and brothers taught me how to greet another more, I'm like, Oh wow, that's so-and-so, so and so.

SPEAKER_05 21:05

And when brothers had to hold a little thought, you you said, are you saying that noble jewali was a traveling man?

SPEAKER_02 21:12

Absolutely positively.

SPEAKER_05 21:14

Some people don't agree with that. They'd be like, No, I think some say there's no actual fact. Maybe he had been influenced by the teachings.

Templars, Fezzes, And Moorish Links

SPEAKER_02 21:23

Listen, in 1910, there's several authors that mention in their books that not only was he was a national compact mason, but he was also a member of the ancient Egyptian Arabic order, the nobles of the mystic shrine. Also, remember that before he got into the more science, that name noble is uh he had founded a church, the name noble, yeah. That plays a part, that noble name, and then another thing where you get the noble from, you gotta understand something. Our prophet was learning, man. This was before 1913 AD. So now, once he founded the old Canaanite temple and later on the more science temple, was he supposed to get a brain aneurysm or a lobotomy or something and forget what he learned in Freemasonry? No, he hid it in more of science. So, as a Mason coming into more science, the various things that were done, standing on your square, pressing hands instead of shaking them. You know, these different things are the same things I had learned previously in the Masonic Order.

SPEAKER_05 22:42

Got you, got you. I kind of see the aesthetically in some in some in some aspects. I do see the similarities in many things, you know.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

So it you know, it's not far-fetched that he was right along with uh right along with Marcus Garvey, the forebearer, the harbinger. Okay, what's the receipt on that? Every time you see Marcus Garvey, what kind of uniform is that he's wearing? What is it with the Chapoli and you know, and the definitely definitely stuff?

SPEAKER_05 23:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. I got you.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

That's nice Templar, that's the highest level in York right masonry, but you wouldn't know that if you had never been in the order, yeah, you gotta be there to see it.

SPEAKER_05 23:34

So aspects of power in politics, right? Why do people think black masons are part of the global elite in cabal to keep people from to keep people from going into the order?

SPEAKER_02 23:53

The Masonic Order is one of the oldest and strongest organizations, I should say fraternities among us Asiatic people that still have some teeth to it. See, so COINTELPRO will take will put these poisons among the ranks.

SPEAKER_05 24:15

That's why I said infiltrated.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

Absolutely, and have somebody look like us to do it.

SPEAKER_05 24:22

Exactly, it was infiltrated. Oh my god, Cointel Pro. Yeah, Quintel Pro would do that to you before we go any further. So a brother right here, fat cat's on it. He said, but where did trainers get their fez? What's the connection between the Templars and the Assassins during the Crusades, etc.? I'm here to learn. Hope I'm not coming across as an argumentative. Nah, brother. No, you're not. You're very respectful. You're good. It's good. Ask those questions.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Yeah, yeah, no problem. Okay, so first question Where do you get fezzes from traditionally?

SPEAKER_05 25:00

Islam the Shriners, right? I mean the shrine, the shriners that's from Islam.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

Man, they Johnny come lately.

SPEAKER_05 25:10

Wasn't it from uh where do you get that?

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Where does the Fez come from historically?

SPEAKER_05 25:16

It's Morocco, right? Okay, next question Yeah, but I know don't don't they have a different name, like uh correct me if I'm wrong because I'm over here just going through my mind. Is it was it called a tarbouche or tarbouche is internationally, yeah.

Banking, Power, And Friday The 13th

SPEAKER_02 25:33

It's known as a tarabouche, okay. And the tarabush is longer, yeah. The fez is shorter, so there is a difference between a tarabush and a fez, but both of them come or originated in Morocco. See now, as far as the Knights Templar is concerned, the first grand master of the Knights Templar was a Moor named Hugh de Peon. I heard of that name and his cousins, they were the bodyguards for the European crusaders that were that were trans that were um pilgrimaging for lack of a better term to Jerusalem. They were like security guards. They hired these brothers to protect them. Think about it. Let's use them, you know, let's let's let's use let's use logic. Could Europeans camp out in the desert to protect other Europeans and live? No, they would have to have some type of liaison or go between that would keep the Hashians, the assassins, off of these Europeans.

SPEAKER_05 27:02

Yes, yes, I remember that war.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

See, that goes uh that that that goes into something else. You know, we all learn some of the same stuff, so I'm just gonna put this out there, you know. But you know, another thing that is given to us as Moors to turn us away from this chamber, this science.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

Well, the the picture on the fairs is a picture of the subjugation of the Moabite woman. Do your own research, Google male commission headdresses.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Wow, then you'll find the one on the fairs, then you go female commission headdresses, and then you see the stuff like Isis and Hatschip Sutwares, okay, through Latifa wears, Islam, Islam, Islam.

SPEAKER_05 28:06

I respect that, I respect that very much. So that so you say the the the assassins and Templars because I know there was a uh a uh forgive I'm jumping over the place. There was a conflict where they had like the Templars were hired by such and such Catholic church whatsoever to fight it the despite the Islamic quest and that guy you like I said, brother, you know, um it was really um it was really the Templars were hired, they were hired to be there, you know.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

I had an argument with somebody, and it was like, Well, no, well, they they worship the buffer men. Well, the French can't say Muhammad, yeah, and that's what happened with the dog on Roman Catholic Church. They started beefing with the Templars because they found out a lot of them were converts, you see what I mean, and other nobilities, other European nobility would hire them for protection, and they accumulated so much loot, so much money. Yep, they're the ones who created the banking system. Yep, so now they became more powerful than a lot of the kings and the popes and stuff like that. But didn't um that's where you get Friday the 13th with Jack 13th, Jack De Molet.

SPEAKER_05 29:37

I thought they get into that, allude to that. Didn't Jack de Molay learn some of the science, learn the sciences from a more, I believe. Yes, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

Yeah, that's what was happening. Is they they they they thought they could put two sides against the middle, and the brothers met in the middle and say, Hey, look, man, teach me something, all right. Teach me something, okay. You know, it's a movie called Kingdom of Heaven, okay, all right, it's a must-see because it shows nice templar being hung by the Roman Catholic Church, and it shows you their role in the whole crusade thing.

Why Black Fraternities Face Suspicion

SPEAKER_05 30:21

I got you, and that's okay, that makes perfect sense right here. So, within the context of power and politics, we see how that played out. With you know, a brother taught Demolane, that was it. Case closed, he was taken out of here. Okay, all right. So, why are black fraternal networks viewed with suspicion? Why are they what's why are they viewed with suspicion? Like, you know, for instance, like you know, some people I know it's within the conference conscious community, they they look at black Freemasons as a threat. They see them, they're like automatically you're a sellout, you're selling people out, you're not doing anything about it. You're just a bunch of dumb Negroes sitting at sitting inside a temple doing nothing. You know, how people die in the streets, but they're not really, you know, they're speaking from a place of you know, ill ill ill informed, not knowing what's going on, fear maybe curiosity.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Why ignorance straight ignorance? And this is what they don't understand is let's look at the mentality of the average Asiatic Mason. They are Christians, yep, like you know, Pastor Pork Chop and Reverend Chickenlings type Christians. A lot of them are reverends, 50 501c3 reverends and deacons, yeah. See what I mean? So they can't run nothing, they're subordinate to the people who run things. They watered our they watered our science down to smoke screeners, just like the rest of the fraternities, you know, ask the same question for the rest of the fraternities. How come they not out there in the streets?

SPEAKER_05 32:19

Yep, that's a fact. Hold on, we got another question here. Salute to Fatty on here. So, were there Moorish Freemasons ruined Spain and Europe in 711 to 1492 during the Almoravid dynasty? The pirates caught corsairs that were enslaving Europeans, etc.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

Absolutely positively, all the way up until the late nine uh 18 1800s, early 1900s. There's an excellent book called They Were White and They Were Slaves.

Clock Of Destiny And Moorish Cosmology

SPEAKER_05 32:57

You know, shout out to the ancient Free Moorish Right. We had these brothers on here, and they spoke about you know how the mis we go through a Hiram Abiff. They had um they mentioned there was somebody like Hiram Abiff, I forgot his name, but it's a young brother, a Moorish brother. I don't know, you probably know his name. Correct me on that. Anybody anybody in the conversation, please correct me on that. If you watch the episode of the ancient free moors, right, these brothers had a lot of um good information.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Well, I've been looking at the the the Moorish right, I've been investigating it for years, and you know, inshallah, you know, I'll I'll be able to get my 33rd soon. And once I get my 33rd, oh man, anytime, good brother, anytime. Uh once I get my 33rd, I was looking into seeing what the Moorish Rite is about, and um, one of the uh cons about the Moorish right is that they are right unto themselves.

SPEAKER_05 34:01

That's a fact. The name is Angelo Suleiman Solomon, Angelo Solomon.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Yeah, but Angelo Suleiman was a mason, operative and speculative. Okay, okay that brother could go anywhere in the world and demonstrate that's a fact, see what I mean, yeah. And I've talked to some of the brothers, you know, about Japus Mobite Lodge, you know, our Moorish American Lodge. Why so that you know we can do an exchange program, why so that you're just not limited to the Moorish right, who's only been around since 2003. Gotcha, you know what I mean, and it would expand their horizon and also give us some knowledge as Moors. We love seeking knowledge. That's what it's all about.

SPEAKER_05 34:59

Our people are very, uh, very arithmetic people, man. Inspiration and rhythmic.

SPEAKER_02 35:05

We love information that we can use for our only problem with it, because you know, no, I don't know anything about the Moorish right. I know some of the language because of my position in the Great Seal National Association of Moorish affairs with the rudder and the sexton, you know. Um, however, I'll never profess to know anything about somebody's order without actually going into the order and seeing for myself. And this is and this is what I tell a lot of these brothers, man. Stop the fairy tales and stop barking from the outside of the fence.

SPEAKER_05 35:46

All right, got a question here. The clock of destiny also causes confusion amongst Moors, along with Masonic authors and authorities, like Manley P. Hall, Klammer, and others when it comes to Moorish history culture.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

Well, what I'll say to that is respectfully, the the the the leadership of the lawfully chartered New York clock of destiny. Um he has a very good influence in the Scottish right masonry and also with the European Scottish Rite Masonry. See what I mean? So that's where his influence comes in at. As far as CM Bay is concerned, Charles Mosley Bay was assigned to temple number seven in Cleveland, Ohio by Prophet Noble Drew Ali. When Prophet Noble Drew Ali left the scene, that's when the smelly culprits kicked him out of the temple. But the clock of destiny is the same thing as the logo circle seven, same thing as the web of destiny.

SPEAKER_05 37:20

So I heard the clock of destiny.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 37:24

I say I heard of the clock of destiny before.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

So the clock of destiny is cosmology, it deals with astrology and astronomy, it does, you know, it deals with historical facts that bridge the gap in our evolution. We wonder well, where does a European come from? Well, we learned that the in Yucatan, Mexico, this is where you get Yakoub's grafted devil.

SPEAKER_05 38:00

Yeah, the red riddle skin and stuff like that. And then blonde hair.

SPEAKER_02 38:04

That's how you look at the the Australian Australians and the Brazilians, and pretty brown skin with blonde hair.

Law, Identity, And Free Moors Act

SPEAKER_05 38:13

The brothers were out in Patagonia misbehaving, doing things. Patagonian blonde, absolutely. Okay, yeah, yeah. I remember that.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

We are the ones that took them to the Caucasus Mountains because the woman is the dominant gene, so she could hang out in the equator, but the male they they would catch Melanie's disease, and their skin would peel and they would turn red, so they were taken to a cooler climate, as is taught in the clock of destiny. This is where we learn that Prince Hall, who is really Ben Bay Emmanuel Mu Ali, aka Benjamin Banneker. See what I mean? So he's talking right in harmony with Freemasonry. It's just an it's just an adept level of more science and masonry.

SPEAKER_05 39:17

Uh, I'm seeing it. I see it. I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

Remember, one of the liberal arts is astrology, yes, it is, but astrology and um I mean astronomy out of astronomy comes astrology, yeah. And this is what is taught in the clock of destiny because the clock of destiny, just like the uh gated seven, is also the mundane cross or the zodiac wheel.

SPEAKER_05 39:48

360. Tell them 360 with four gates, as long as four gates, and that's four angles for your nine degrees. Talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

There's literally every science in our logos. Gated seven.

SPEAKER_05 40:01

All right. Hold on that thought, brother. Yeah, people. That makes sense. And that's what I figured after reading both parties many times. But from now, side looking in, it doesn't seem like the Moors agree on these points. I hear you, brother.

SPEAKER_02 40:17

Listen, I mean, brother, you're doing your thing. The Gemini son. Go ahead, one of the twin. Bow. Anyway, um, but uh our problem is we must be the head more in charge.

SPEAKER_05 40:40

Read that again.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

We must be the head more in charge. And I'm being very, very, you know, because after noble draw lee passed veil, um, an elder told me that after after um emilio, peace and blessings be upon him, the successor to noble draw lee.

SPEAKER_00 41:10

After he was assassinated, his wife chose the next successor.

SPEAKER_02 41:21

Okay, and that's what caused the separation because that's like Michelle Obama picking the next president. Yet that can't happen. So the two other main players in this they protested Charles Kirkman Bay and John Givenzill.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

That's where you get your three major branches from.

SPEAKER_05 41:49

So that this is a perfect. This is a perfect perfect spoken to this question. Is mistrust of masonry inherited trauma or modern misinformation?

SPEAKER_02 42:00

Well, for the most part, masonry does not have a lot of mistrust in it. Masonry has Willie Lynch in it.

SPEAKER_05 42:09

Yeah, I'm talking as far as the psychology of the people, because you know, right, absolutely. But it's the same thing, not to not to cut your wisdom, but it's the same thing as when all right, many years ago, back in 2012, I went to the Morris Science Temple in Brooklyn, right, on Bainbridge. You know, it's my first time going to this class. I didn't fully, you know, go deep into my studies, but I attended a few classes. And I remember I was standing outside the temple, and this brother walked past me saying, Yo, brother, you going in there? I was like, Yeah. He's like, Man, don't mess with those people, man. They sold our people out. You know, because they're going off, you know, what they heard, you know, yeah about the Arabs and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

Yeah.

Study, Mentorship, And Real Initiation

SPEAKER_05 42:52

And they say the same thing as far as the Masons, like, yo, all these organizations sell our people out. And at me, at one point, to be honest with you, like 2005, when we got into this whole conscience community thing before we before it got big on YouTube, I remember they used to be outside, you know, down chanting Freemasonry and Moors and all the signs and the symbols saying these people are sellouts. They want to be Europeans kissing the white man's boot and whatsoever. And you know, at that time, I was following the function of that, the form of that, you know, the whole conspiracy thing. But until I got older, I started doing my own studies. I was like, this doesn't make sense. Like, how are we saying things about these people? But yet they are in the community doing stuff. You mean meanwhile, you just you just you just hating on the outside, just talking, talking ish, but just hating without knowing any any information. You don't have no proof, no evidence, just speculations of what you heard. Then you know once a lie is told, people start believing, especially our people.

SPEAKER_02 43:47

Absolutely, man. Look, a lot of them are afraid to come into the lodge, yeah. And instead of dogging saying, Man, look, uh that thing scares me, man. Uh, they would rather keep everybody else out, too. Yeah, they like you get jumped in. If you don't like what's going on, leave.

SPEAKER_05 44:06

Exactly. Yeah, they'll take that route in the stand, they'd rather get jumped in. They'd be like, Yeah, that's more solid. It doesn't make sense. You feel me though, right? Yeah, it's just stupid, but okay, yeah, that's kind of more tangible, you know.

SPEAKER_02 44:18

Yeah, but yeah, that you're always gonna have unconscious Asiatics, and for the most part, the Masonic order, speculative, modern day, they're unconscious Asiatics, Mikey. Yeah, they don't really even they don't know their own history, they don't know what a more is you know what I'm saying? They don't know the significance of the fez that they wear in the shrine's temple. They don't even know the symbolism behind that symbol on their fees.

SPEAKER_04 44:55

That's true, that's true.

SPEAKER_05 44:58

You know, if Prophet Loma Drew Ali was a free rage from North Carolina, was he aware of the Moors living in South Carolina as free men due to the Moors, Sun Dry Act of 1790? And wasn't Bannica from Maryland on Boston allegory?

On Offshoot Orders And Uniformity

SPEAKER_02 45:18

Well, yeah, I mean, brother, you're very learned, and I like that, brother. You know, that's that's good stuff. So now you you talked about some some things now. Um it is my belief that Prophet Noble Draw Lee um remember he was born in 1886, and he lived on a uh the uh Cherokee Reservation with his aunt, and he didn't get into Freemasonry until 1910. So I doubt whether he was into Freemasonry in North Carolina, and um the Free and Sundry Moors Act precedes Noble Druley that was in 1789, 1790, and that was because some brothers were engaged in in warfare with them same Arabs, and they were captured, and they sold uh four brothers and their wives to a captain of a ship. The captain of the ship promised them that they would only be servants for a few years, and then he would release them. They got to Edgefield, South Carolina, and they were indentured servants because they were able to buy their freedom for themselves and their wives, and upon buying the freedom, they petitioned the House of Representatives, which at that time consists of Moors, all right, and they said that if a Moor is accused of a crime, a Moor that is in league with the prince of Morocco is accused of a crime, he be tried as a free white person and not as a negro under the Negro Act of South Carolina of 1740, which says that a negro is an enslaved African and does not include gypsies, which is Egyptians, Moors, and Indians in um treaty with the state of South Carolina. Now remember, in 1621, they changed the name Moore to Indian. See how they're all coming together?

SPEAKER_05 47:57

That's what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 47:59

Go ahead, brother.

SPEAKER_05 48:00

No, I'm I'm seeing what you're saying. This isn't the question, but we're gonna go back to that. Instead of CT, I've been wearing my tarbush going for public at least six, seven years, and seeing one conscious more, one Hebrew and one God. All right, that's peace.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

Well, brother, you gotta tell me what part of Connecticut, man, because I just left there a year ago. Where you at? Where you been? And I'm originally from Hartford, so you know um get in contact with me, brother. I get some brothers there.

SPEAKER_05 48:32

Because I see, like, from reading some of the um the Moores text and um get into mainstream. I I do see the I do see a lot in there that makes sense when I look at it, and I'm like, oh, this is really my history. The secret, you know, the secret is really you, so-called black man. That's you, it's you. I'm gonna leave it at that, but it's you. You gotta go in there and see for yourself. It's you, and no, you're not gonna have no magical powers, you're not gonna get rich instantly. You gotta create that yourself.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

Join the fraternity doesn't do that for you, and and and know and understand that once you join the fraternity, you have to do the study for yourself. I was blessed enough to have a mentor, brother Charles Sims. And when I first met him, he was the senior warden in the lodge, and he took me and another brother under his wing, and every month he had printouts for us that went beyond the knowledge that was taught to us from the ritual book and stuff like that. You see what I mean? And he taught us about the lineages and the different tribal affiliations and the different geographical areas and things of this nature. See, that's that's that's additional knowledge that's not taught to everybody, but not everybody is willing to receive it. No, see, so you got a lot of cast that coming into Lalajman and just sit there, yes, taking up space, man. Taking up space, bro. While you got all these young brothers out here who want to know, and the go ahead, brother.

SPEAKER_04 50:17

No, no, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

And the foundation to start you off on the journey is there, it is it's available to everybody in the lodge, but we as negroes, as African Americans, we don't study anything unless it has something to do with getting us a job or something like that, yeah. Because we know or a degree, that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 50:50

That's a fact. Here's another question for this brother right here. It's definitely all ours, and I'm good on Freemasonry on Masonry with all due respect. All my middle school and high school teachers are in my local order, and I know these fools are not definitely for us. I hear you, brother.

Unity Over Cliques And Cults

SPEAKER_02 51:07

And I guess what I bet you they don't know their butt from their elbow. I bet you see a lot of times what I would experience is you'd have like I know the Nawapian brothers was good for this because you know, Dr. York, he created his own uh Masonic Order.

SPEAKER_05 51:25

Yeah, I heard about that.

SPEAKER_02 51:26

Tell me about it. This dude came up to me, and I guess he attempted to give me a uh press hand, and I never experienced nothing like that.

SPEAKER_05 51:43

What you mean, press press him by what? Like, what was he doing?

SPEAKER_02 51:46

He attempted to shake my hand their way. Oh by that time, I was a 32nd degree, I was a Scottish right and a York writer, yeah, and I never seen nothing like that. So automatically I snatched my hand from him. Said, bro, what's that? Masonry, brother. You know, doc taught us the supreme masonry and this thing, that thing. Yeah, that's exactly where you at, bro. Yeah, um, our system, well, our national grand sheet now, he got promoted. He was living in uh New Haven, not far from you, but anyway, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:25

So you document his own lodge. I heard about that. It was called, I think, the Nuwapian Grand Lodge, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 52:32

Something like that, you know. And I'm not gonna get into the politics of that, you know, but the the thing about it is I'll give you a prime example. This brother uh in Anderson, South Carolina. I met this brother, and he was one of them brothers that if he seen two Masons talking, he post up around the corner and try to see what he can see or hear what he could hear. Then he goes straight to another Mason and try it out, you know, and the brother moved back up to Connecticut, he was from Connecticut, and the brother joined the Lodge, and he up in the lodge.

SPEAKER_00 53:22

Lodge telling these brothers about more science and and all this connection for a second, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

Oh man, yeah, and I I couldn't do that because I knew I knew he was full of it. But me and that, me and that dude's conversation, he says, brother, man. We've been talking about 30 minutes, and I already know who you are, you know, because we're talking to each other, you know what I'm saying? We saying we got that catchism going, yeah. I already know who you are. I said, man, but what about the I said, brother, I can't vouch for him. Yeah, you know, that's because man, one of my favorite uh uh words is kiss, keep it simple, stupid.

SPEAKER_05 54:28

Exactly. You're gonna talk yourself into a certain bro.

SPEAKER_02 54:33

You can't come up to these Masons talking about the the cosmos and the planet, uh risk, uh, risk and and uh risk a gal, and you know, you they they don't know nothing about that, they just know what's in their book. Other than that, they're African Americans trained by the European.

Gratitude, Contacts, And Closing CTA

SPEAKER_05 54:52

That too. Not to get into the politic of that. When I found out that York created his own lodge, right? You know, look back at it, I'm like, yo, that was kind of you know, like he said, you know, F that. I'm doing my own thing. Catch me you can catch me if you can. You know, basically, he just did his own thing, said, I'm gonna do what I want to do. If y'all could do it, I'm gonna do it. Which you know, on that part, I'm like, okay, that's bold, that's bold and respect it. But if people not recognizing it, they're like, This what you're talking about is weird, and and everything sounds like the same repeated information in the books that you were publishing. It's like, uh, I don't know how far I could go with that one.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Hey, brother, you know, whatever flows people's boat, you know what I'm saying? You know, and and I'm a stickler, I'm a stickler for uniformity, yeah. You know, so and I believe in chapter verse in his paragraph, whether it's more science or freemasonry, you know. So you're gonna have to show me in the book where this is at, brother. You have to quote this for me. And if you can't do that, now you're questionable. You're questionable. I don't heard, I don't heard from the best man.

SPEAKER_05 56:05

I got you right here. Hold on, before we go. They say this bill is definitely making me interested in joining the lodge. Never knew noble Drew Ali of the craft. I just remember reading, being told he was introducing Mr. V's Egyptian adept, etc. Thank you, brother. This next brother says, keep it so contact me, man. You know, reach out to the brother. Where can they reach you at?

SPEAKER_02 56:31

Oh, you can reach me, man. I tell you what, man. Just reach me at 864-917-5572. Make it easy.

SPEAKER_05 56:38

All right, see, you got that. He see he got that information. You see, somebody see it's funny how you put that out. Somebody just asked the how can they get in contact with you.

SPEAKER_02 56:48

See, I just I just gave it. Uh brother called me Kalani.

SPEAKER_05 56:57

I think that was a typo right there.

SPEAKER_02 56:58

Yeah, that's no problem, brother. Yeah, yeah, just uh my telephone number, I just gave it. Um 864-917-5572. You know, and I'll be happy to answer any questions. And if you know you're interested in uh you know hanging out, come hang out with us, man. You know, it's not uh definitely.

SPEAKER_05 57:19

We gotta have a part two of this, man. Go build to build on this, and to the people, the listeners and viewers, do hit that like button, run up the likes. Let me see the like buttons go up. I know y'all enjoying yourselves, but it doesn't hurt you to subscribe. Hit the subscribe button, share it. The brothers here is dropping some good information, and you know, I've been willing to get with the brother, man. So now that we spoke about noble Drew Ali, he may been a part of the noble mystic or ancient of more noble no noble mystics. You know, some more is not gonna like that, they're gonna refute that. But what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 57:53

Prove me wrong, you know. I mean, explain chapter five. You know, chapter five talks about masonry, it talks about the tools or the workshop of the mind. You know, where he pull that out of his turban, stop it, you know, stop it, man. You know what I'm saying, brother? You know, we're making it too difficult, man. Because you know, we we've been living in a society where it clickism is paramount. We we invent one million reasons to click up.

SPEAKER_03 58:30

That's a fact, click up for the right cause.

SPEAKER_02 58:34

Click up for the right cause, man. We got too much stuff that's detrimental to us as a people going on right now, if you know what I'm talking about. Of course, yeah, yeah, we have no choice but to come together, man.

SPEAKER_05 58:47

Now, definitely. I I always speak of that unity, and that's what NYP podcast is doing. As you can see, our platform. Yes, we have Moore's Nation of Islam on here. Um Israelites, Hebrew Israelites, people from the diaspora who practice these different you know, school of thoughts and spiritual practices. And five percent is we try not to leave nobody out, but we do we don't do well with cults. I'm telling you that now. I don't do well with cults.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

Give me an example.

SPEAKER_05 59:16

I don't do well with cults. I'm gonna leave it at that. I don't do well with courts with cults. You start talking that that person is the one supreme leader and all this stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 59:26

Oh, gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 59:27

Yeah, you know, I mean, what happens when the head when the head falls, the body drops, you know what I'm saying? Y'all gotta be remoping around here like a bunch of depressed people. I'm not doing that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so this person's an extraterrestrial. Listen, man, get the girl. Don't don't save that, bro.

SPEAKER_02 59:47

Stop, Mike, stop.

SPEAKER_05 59:48

I don't want to hear that, man. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to hear that, man. Please, please, peace, Nicola B. You say peace, brother, brother Mickey. Great big great six, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:02

Well, it's brother. How you doing? Yeah, man. Uh, but but that's what goes on, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:08

Yeah, I'm not I'm not trying to be funny, facetious, it's just that I can't do it. I don't know, I don't care what's taking place out of space. Like, you know, it's some good things when they hear that sometimes. Like, okay, let me talk about that, but I have yet to see a freaking alien yet, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:22

Until I know, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:24

Yeah, until a black man can show me an alien on earth, man. I respect that that notion, but I have yet to see an alien, I have yet to see a Illuminati member. Stop it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:39

No, I'm right, I'm right with you, man. I mean, I I don't I don't trip on it. But you know, just don't try to push that on me.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:53

Exactly. This is simple and practical.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:58

I've had experience with quite a few organizations, man, in in my lifetime, and you know, and uh some of the things that we talked about, a couple of them on here, and um, you know, their procedures and their ways are very, very questionable, you know what I'm saying? So and I, you know, chapter uh act four of the additional law says, you know, we're not supposed to speak ill of any other organization. So, you know, I'm not gonna you feel me?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:30

I won't see how my collar here, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:35

What are you doing with that thing now?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:40

You know, you know, we know we put it on when we get a chance. But my brother, I appreciate you for coming on, man. Jelani, love you for that, bro. You still your word. I'm still working on other things that we spoke about. You know, we gotta um it's pretty dope, man. Shout out, you know what? Shout out to Brother Sharif, Sharif Anil Bay, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:57

Oh, hey man, same there, man. You know, shout out to Sheriff segments. I said, and I meant this when I saw that brother demonstrate Moore's jurisprudence, and then his partner, Hakeem Bay, came back up with the Moors. I was sold, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:14

Shout out to Sharif.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

We had the best right after that.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:16

We had the best on this on this platform. You know what I'm saying? We had the best people on this platform that came out and represented the culture between you, Sharif, Dr. Dai, who broke it down with May the psychology of it, what it meant to you guys. Very beautiful. Inspired me to continue studying and learning more because I'm like, these guys are just off the top, they give you hair, this, and that. You know what I'm saying? But we could go further into that later. With that being said, people, don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. Go back, watch the show, contact Janani if you want more information. We have merch, we have super chats. We're not gonna, I'm not gonna shake your hand in the street and you try to press my hand with some outlandish Masonic stuff. I'm gonna leave you where you at. I'm gonna walk away from you, and you're gonna be standing by yourself looking like an idiot.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:05

And I mean that with us.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:08

Yeah, definitely. Don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. Get in your spaceship, find your way home. Peace. We have to