Her Vodou Story

The loudest voices about Vodou are rarely the ones doing the hardest work. We sit down with two women who’ve lived the difference between spectacle and service—Ange, who survived spiritual harm and rebuilt from the ground up, and Mama Rose, a priestess who defines leadership by how well her children are fed, housed, taught, and empowered to surpass her. What follows is a candid walk through Haitian Vodou’s real spine: duty, lineage, and care.

Ange’s story anchors the conversation. Born in the U.S., raised in Haiti, and returning without English, she faced colorism, grief, and a search for place that led her into the wrong spiritual house. She speaks openly about manipulation, intimidation, and the trauma of being “initiated” without guidance. With Rose’s mentorship, she relearns the basics, seeks therapy, and rebuilds a healthy relationship with her spirits. The message is clear: before titles, there must be healing, humility, and training.

Rose lays out what a Mambo is beyond the title: counselor, judge, life coach, and steward of a Laku. A true leader doesn’t hoard knowledge out of fear; she teaches so the lineage lives. We unpack the difference between real ritual work—time-intensive, prayerful, anchored to actual effort—and the social media shortcuts that promise instant wealth, “Zoom initiations,” and fear-based threats in DMs. Prosperity, they argue, amplifies what already exists; it doesn’t fall from the sky. We also discuss gendered targeting in spiritual spaces, the thin line between discernment and delusion, and why accountability protects both the culture and its people.

If you’ve wondered what Vodou looks like without the smoke and mirrors, this conversation brings the clarity. Expect straight talk on scams, grounded definitions of Mambo and Houngan, and a blueprint for ethical leadership rooted in community care. If this resonates, share it with someone who needs a reset on what Haitian Vodou really asks of us, subscribe for part two, and leave a review with the myth you most want to see retired.

Chapters

• 0:00 Greetings And Housekeeping
• 1:00 Clearing Vodou Misconceptions
• 1:30 Ange’s Journey: Haiti To The U.S.
• 4:20 Colorism, Culture Shock, Belonging
• 8:15 What A Mambo Means And Requires
• 18:35 The Real Role Of A Mambo
• 24:05 Predators, Fear Tactics, And Boundaries
• 31:50 Leaving A Harmful House
• 39:20 Ego, Healing, And Preparation
• 45:05 Sacrifice, Daily Life, And Balance
• 52:00 Social Media Scams And “Recipes”
• 1:00:30 Money Myths, Luck, And Legacy

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:11

Peace, peace, world. How you doing? Welcome to another episode of NYP Talk Show. I am your good brother Mikey Fever. Don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. We got Super Chats. We have merchant website. Tonight episode, we have two dear sisters. One that you have met on the show previously a few months back. Priestess, Mamble Rose, and Spiritual Ange. Welcome, my sisters. How you guys doing?

SPEAKER_05: 0:39

Thank you. Doing good. Doing good.

SPEAKER_02: 0:42

Yeah, see you, man. I know it was a long month of Makaya. We all went through Happy New Year to you, too. Both of you guys. You know what I'm saying? I'm happy to have you. I appreciate you guys for coming out on this show tonight very much. Oh my god. I don't know how much it means to me.

SPEAKER_05: 0:58

It's a pleasure to be here.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00

Definitely, man. We gotta, you know, bring the culture to the people, man, so they could clear up all these misconceptions of what voodoo is. No, you can't get initial online. Don't believe nobody. You can't get initiated online. You know what I'm saying? It's not gonna work. I'm telling you. You will lose your money. And you can't buy what whatever, whatever they're doing out there. You know, more power to them. Get your money by all means. Don't come to people with the nonsense. And tonight's topic, I call it daughters of the Baiden Voodoo. Spiritual Ange, where you from? Give us a background.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35

Okay, hello everybody. My name is Spiritual Ange or Ange. Um, I am from Palme, Florida. I was born in America for a portion of my childhood, and then I was raised in Haiti and then came back to America to go to school, to start school. So I kind of had a little bit of both worlds because when I came back to America, I did not speak a lick of English. So I was in that EESO class and all that kind of stuff. So um that was like my childhood. Um and then, you know, there was a chunk of my childhood where I, you know, was raised like um like not spiritual, but like regular. And then there was a portion of my childhood, like, you know, my teen, early teen years, where I, you know, because of you know my dad passing, I went to another family member to raise. And though those particular family members were Christians. So I didn't have like a specific direct path in spirituality or you know, any type of specifics. It was more so like, okay, I kind of wherever the wind was blowing, that's where I was going. Um, and um, you know, I tried the Christian route or going to church. It just never it never stuck with me because that's not how my my childhood started off. Yeah, you know, you know, my parents passing and you know, and then um, you know, in the in the Haitian community, they don't really focus on mental health, and you know, like if somebody, you know, like you don't ever think about thinking of the child, you know, of the struggles that they grow through, and um and stuff like that. So, you know, that you know, it was the part where I was just, you know, kind of like trying to find my way, trying to figure out who I was as a person, and you know, just trying to understand like where my my place was. I always felt like I was out of place, and I didn't, you know, figure out who I was, and then you know, hearing stories about my parents, hearing stories about my dad, hearing stories about my mom, and then hearing stories about other family members, the things that they used to do, all this kind of stuff. It was just it just made me like I don't want to be a part of y'all. I don't know what you guys are, and the church side of my family, like I was like, you guys are a bunch of hypocrites, like I just didn't feel like cut you off before we go in here because no, um, listen, let her rock.

SPEAKER_02: 4:06

Like, you just you just gave us a lot, and I'm like, yo, I gotta find out like more. You said you were great, you was born here but raised in Haiti, right? Yes, isn't it as a feedback? I don't I think so. All right, so you were born here raised in Haiti. Wasn't the cultural shock when you came back? I mean, came from both sides, like you going to Haiti as a child as a child.

SPEAKER_04: 4:24

Well, because I was a child, I wasn't really sure, but I I don't know. I I knew I didn't speak English, and I got, you know, because I was dark skinned, you know, the colorism, um, I got made fun of that, and you know, I would they would call me African booty scratcher, and because you know, I was dark skinned, I didn't speak English, and I'm going to the school with a bunch of my peers who were Haitian, and there was it was so it was like this whole self-hatred. Yeah, you know, and I I it was it was so bad, but looking back, I'm like, man, we were really, we were really toxic.

SPEAKER_02: 4:58

Don't feel bad, because I I was I was born here, but once you heard my last name, typical Haitian last name, yeah. That's when the Haitian booty scratch and stuff comes out, and you know, the make it fun of. But let me tell you, my hands spoke perfect violence. You get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03: 5:16

Yeah, mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02: 5:17

But yeah, multiple language get my hair, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 5:24

There we go. Yeah, uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02: 5:29

I was used to doing that. I didn't mean to curse them. No, me too. I'm uh me, you got me. What film is you with it got me cursed when I came up?

SPEAKER_03: 5:38

But anyway, it got me cursed and that's all good.

SPEAKER_04: 5:45

And Rose, I know we got we got Rose here, yes, as Mama Rose, Mama Rose, we got Mama Rose, who is your your spirit your mother, yes.

SPEAKER_02: 5:55

Damn Rose, you wear so many damn hats. I'm trying to have Rose initiated me too. What's up, Rose?

SPEAKER_03: 5:59

Like, well, come on, my brother.

SPEAKER_02: 6:01

Come on, me out here like an orphan. What's up, Rose?

SPEAKER_05: 6:03

Well, come on, come on, no, my arms are open, our doors are open. I always tell everybody, if you you're it's you, you know, your legs gotta get you there, you know what I mean? That's all.

SPEAKER_02: 6:17

Yeah, that's I wouldn't I wouldn't mind coming out there to learn, you know.

SPEAKER_05: 6:21

No, you have you have to at least come and join us for a fent, you know, just to you know, to feel the festivities and just all the energy. Yes, come, yeah, come on.

SPEAKER_02: 6:34

Well, I'm in I'm in New York, so you you guys so close, still close, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 6:39

New York, like literally. I'm in, I'm in Massachusetts. I'm a few hours' drive. Are you getting me? Okay, get on that.

SPEAKER_03: 6:49

No pressure, no pressure.

SPEAKER_02: 6:52

You give them excuses, okay? Doctor, I'll be seeing Rose getting busy on it when I'm on TikTok. I be see she because she got something going on. I'm like, yo, she is active, she's very active, knowledgeable in the culture, very knowledgeable. She's basically born into it, so that's why the dynamic, like like then. I was present to other spiritual things in the house, but she's born like in a jungle, man. Like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 7:19

There you go. Period.

SPEAKER_02: 7:21

Yeah, that's dope.

SPEAKER_03: 7:22

There you go.

SPEAKER_05: 7:23

Everywhere I turn, it was there, right?

SPEAKER_02: 7:26

So mother, father, you see, hereditary in the lineage. So being that you were born here, went to Haiti, came back, your family were not as religious as you put it, right? Those other relatives that were like Christian based.

SPEAKER_04: 7:43

Okay, yeah, because of you know, my parents passing away, I was like an orphanage. Where are they gonna put me? Yeah, my brother, you know, we were, you know, yeah. So that that was that was the you know, that was the situation um growing up, like being the uh the stepchild.

SPEAKER_02: 8:02

Don't feel bad, don't feel bad. Like, take it one down, baby. You you good, you good, you good, you're good, you're good. So, you know, that being said, we're gonna get into the first aspect of questions that the I didn't even call in the voodoo, right? Yeah, what does it mean to be? I know Rose could add on to that, and maybe you could add on from what you learned from other Rose. Yeah, what does it mean to be a mumble in Haitian voodoo? Because you inspire you you're inspiring to be one.

SPEAKER_04: 8:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 8:33

Are you alright?

SPEAKER_04: 8:34

Um, so sorry, I have you know, this is real.

SPEAKER_02: 8:38

No, it's okay. I'm sorry. No, it's uh um, you know, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04: 8:42

Okay, okay, okay, okay. So, what it means to be um, I guess a mumble, um, I'm gonna be honest with you, like I never really understood what it what it is or what it was what it is to be a mumble because you know I never got proper guidance um coming up into this um because it was more so like, and this is why I I talk to people and I try to express to people that um you don't you don't want to be pressured into something that you don't understand. So I will be completely honest and transparent that I never understood what I was getting myself into, even though people will say, Oh, you're chosen, you're choisi, you know, um this is what you're meant to do. But the thing is, it's like if you don't understand, like you may feel something, but if you don't understand what it is that you're supposed, you know, this this this title, this thing that you're supposed to be, um, this something something that you inherited or whatever, you don't know what it is. You know, it's not explained to you. You know, you feel like there is something missing within you, but you just don't know. So um when I was told that I was going to be a mumble way back in 2020, I didn't know what that was. I was like, sure, like, oh okay. Um, yeah, sure, I'm going along with it, but I never had the proper training, the understanding of what it takes to be a mumble. I never saw an example of what a mumble or ugong was. Now, even though I have, you know, family members who practice, my, you know, I have balcos in my family member. So they weren't practicing the way an asobwe would practice. And at the time, I didn't know what an asogue was. So, you know, I was like, uh, I don't know, that's not for me, because I didn't know what it was. And I always thought, you know, voodoo was evil because that's the part of my family. That's and some of my family members, that's how they operate. They they do some dirty stuff. And that's what that was voodoo because of my the example that I had coming up and seeing in the stories and stuff like that. So what it means to me now is much different than it what it meant to me then, because then I didn't know. So, what it means to me now is the example that I was shown. You know, me and Mumble Rose, we were friends long before any of this. We were we were friends. Um, she knew me as virtual Anne. I knew her as Priestess Rose, and you know, while I was in the process of getting myself into a situation, um she, you know, she was like the the example because you know, uh the way that she operates and the way that they operate, I saw two different things. The people who were supposed to take care of me, the people who were supposed to show me, the people who were to get me to understand, did completely the opposite of that. And I felt like I was severely misled, and which got me into a lot of trouble.

SPEAKER_01: 11:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_04: 11:40

Um, because and and spiritual trouble, all that kind of stuff, because you know, the the the misinformation and certain houses operating a certain way and people doing things outside of what the spiritual mother is showing, um, is also what got me into a lot of mess, a lot of spiritual mess as well. So um, so what it means to be a mumble is really um, I'm not sure because I'm not a mumble yet. I don't feel like I am, truly, in my heart. But I will say I have someone as an example of who I would like to be like, because I hate when I get so such an analytical.

SPEAKER_02: 12:19

No, no, I'm saying take your time. No, no, no, brief, brief. Because listen, don't negate yourself, do not minimize yourself because you are in good nature.

SPEAKER_03: 12:26

Okay, you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02: 12:28

Never, never, because never like you know, unfortunately, and this is something that happens in all spiritual practices. You have people as you say, there's different houses that function differently. People have different um motives. Some are basically out there scamming, looking for the money, one for that one for the boosette, one get mammon. Um I'm sorry. I'm just saying, I'm I have to be professional, but sometimes I turn into my handle south, Mickey Pascal. Well, let's say, because these people out here, you misleading people. You have children out here trying to reconnect their roots, right? And yeah, you got them that prey on people, sexual deviance also. You know, they'll give you they give you a bang, but for money for money and daddy, or for money and dick deal, or it's we got things from Usiano. You see how my creole is flown out because these are the people that we have to oust out within these communities, and especially it happens amongst women a lot, and I'm hearing it happen with the men. Yeah, you know, because I know what with this episode right here, once it is, they're gonna have problems. They have to go for this. No, they have to stop because yeah, we have to change the narrative because you're giving this culture a nasty name.

SPEAKER_05: 13:50

Yeah, so I'm glad you're that's why we have to be mad. Yeah, that's why that's why that's why we have to be mad. It's not about oh, you know, you don't have to explain yourself, you don't have to prove yourself. We have to be mad because when you're passionate about your culture, imagine growing up into something. Um, you're growing up, you know that's all you know, you understand it at its core, and then the loudest voices and um the people that you know everybody else is seeing are the ones that are taking that that beautiful thing and then turning it into something that's completely, you know, just just disappointing. It's just it's degrading, it's low. And this is why. This is why, like, if sometimes if you're not angry, you don't show you know what true raw raw emotions and how you feel and you stand up for something, you know, it doesn't really mean much. You know, it's not always you know, turn the other cheek, you know what I mean? Like people may not like it, just like how they see the difference between Malcolm X and Martin Luther King. One was easier for you know the white man to misconstrue the message of, and the other one was no, very plain blank, you know, violence if that if that's what we have to get to, therefore, sometimes that's what you have to get to in order, and even if there are gonna be some who don't listen, and those who you're fighting against are never going to listen, but those you're fighting for, you're that force that lives on forever.

SPEAKER_02: 15:18

Got you. I love it. I love how you put it. No, because it's because you know, talking to her, and I appreciate her vulnerability that she expresses herself. Trust me, I I feel honestly coming from because I I heard I have heard horror stories of people that have been through the same situations, and you know, they go to these houses expecting to be taken care of, and the people only care about the monetary value, but your spiritual uh they have you out there looking like a joke. You go somewhere else, and somebody will ask you a question, you'd be like, I can't answer this. And they're like, So who gave you this and this and that? Oh, yeah. They gave it to me on Facebook. You know, I I paid a person$30,000. They told me to fly to Haiti, and next thing you know, they left me in a hotel. I never went to the beat that showing whatsoever. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05: 16:04

That is crazy. No, that story sounds familiar too.

SPEAKER_02: 16:08

Yeah, shit. Trust me, I trust. You know, I'm I'm glad that we're talking about this. And sister, you're strong, you're in good hands, yo. Trust me, you are in good hands. You know, Papa Mystique spoke very well of sister of umbrellos. Say she very, you know, it's beautiful where Voodoo's being led by the young people now. You know, yeah, it was important.

SPEAKER_04: 16:29

So our yeah, our friendship was built off of authenticity. Like, she showed me her heart before we did this was even a conversation. I got to see her as a true person, as a true friend. Like, you know, there was no conversation, like right before I initiated and got into this house or whatever. We already had a friendship. Like, and she always like, you know, make sure you listen to your spiritual mother. Like, she would always give me the right thing because I was under someone who was within that house who was giving me bad counsel. And she would always tell me, no, you need to go to your spiritual mother, your spiritual mother, your spiritual mother, you know, all this kind of stuff. That's why I did not understand what it meant to have a spiritual mother. I didn't understand the concept. I didn't what do I know? What do I know outside? You know, it's kind of like, okay, somebody's telling you to do this, somebody's telling you to do that. I'm looking, like you said, boo-woo the fool. Um, and then, you know, so but she always drilled that into my head, your spiritual mother. This is what a spiritual mother is supposed to do, this is how they take care of so she was planting those seeds in my head for me to understand this is how voodoo works. That's the simple, basic 101 thing that you should know as a voodoo practitioner. And if you are a mumble and you are part of the house, you need to understand the roles of your spiritual mother. I never understood the role of my spiritual, the the past. I can't even I don't like to say that word that she I don't want to claim it, but that from that situation, this is where I am now. Like, I you know, I proudly say that Mumble Rose is my spiritual mother because she showed me, you know, she showed me true, genuine friendship first. I got to know her as a friend, as a human being, outside of you know, being a client and being her spiritual child. I knew her as a friend.

SPEAKER_02: 18:21

No, it's a small reputation. You gotta build that relationship with the person because this is not a small matter, it's a spiritual matter. You're responsible for that.

SPEAKER_05: 18:29

Yeah, and I'd like to just um I I like to answer the question, what is a mumble? And she does know she knows what a mumble is. I know she got super, yeah, she's emotional.

SPEAKER_02: 18:42

Yeah, I know, I understand.

SPEAKER_04: 18:43

Because uh, because she you you just have no idea the things that this person, Mumble Rose, have done for me. Like, uh, it just it does, like, uh, okay. I'll let her speak. You answer the question, girl, because you already know I'm like a oh a marshmallow.

SPEAKER_05: 19:01

Um, so yeah, it's like you just you were saying, you know, I I'm gonna Mickey, you're saying like the relationship part of it is it's so important, you know. The the um the connection that what what you build is what I always tell people, and the crazy thing about that too, it's also the most risky part of it as well, because like you're bringing people into your space, and it goes, of course, it's both ways when it comes to you know, you're you're a spiritual parent, and then you know, you're taking in other people under your wing, you know, you you're gonna get both sides.

SPEAKER_02: 19:37

Hold on, hold on a second, hold your thought. I don't know. You do you guys hear like a feedback?

SPEAKER_05: 19:42

I hope you guys won't hear it.

SPEAKER_02: 19:45

You guys don't hear it.

SPEAKER_05: 19:45

Let me let me have my mic, maybe the echo. Is that in the metal?

SPEAKER_04: 19:50

I can't hear y'all just fine, but you hear you know echo, right?

SPEAKER_02: 19:54

You guys are good.

SPEAKER_05: 19:56

Uh am I good? Yeah, you're yeah, talk, talk, talk, talk. When I talk, I hear a little echo.

SPEAKER_02: 20:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 20:03

No, I take that back. No echo for me. Yeah, no echo for me.

SPEAKER_02: 20:06

Let me go ahead. You can speak. Go ahead. Let me mute mine. Go ahead. I'll mute mine.

SPEAKER_05: 20:11

How is that? Is that good? I hear echo online. Let me let me move my mic a little. Let me see. How is that? Is that better?

SPEAKER_00: 20:23

Much better, much better.

SPEAKER_05: 20:25

Oh, that was me. I apologize.

SPEAKER_00: 20:26

Oh no, you're good, you're good.

SPEAKER_05: 20:28

I don't this mic, I don't know this mic. It's me. So it's better for me too. So um, mumble. A mumble is a spiritual leader, a mumble is a person who has gone when you're speaking of Assogwe, as we've mentioned before, um, the highest level of initiation. I think you know, we've kind of covered that before, and if we need to go much into it, we can.

SPEAKER_06: 20:50

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_05: 20:50

But overall, when you are in Mumble, especially one that, you know, um has other people uh under them, you have spiritual children, you are a spiritual leader, you are the judge. It's just like a Uga. It's the same thing. You know, you're female, male, you know, you just think about it as one. Um, you're the judge, you are the counselor, you know, you are the the ones that people come to to ask for advice. You are a life coach. Um, anything a parent does for their children, that's also your role to play, to play um to your spiritual children, and of course to your children as well. You are a person who's elevated, who is we we say the people who are closest to God. You know, whatever God is to you, bon zier, whatever, you know, um the universe, whatever, that source, you are the closest. You have this relationship that the spirits have put you in this in this space, in this authority to be able to provide spiritual guidance, counseling, understanding. And you're supposed to take people and make them, make them as you are. It's not take people to put under your thumb, not take people to control. In Haiti, when you are Mumbo, you are Ugon, you have your Laku, your Bita Shon, your Bellistiel, you have your spiritual children. These children that you have, even when they're done what they're supposed to do, provide for the um ceremonies, provide for whatever is needed when the belly steel needs work and all that stuff. There is a point where that spiritual child, if they are struggling, they don't have food to eat them and their children. You as a mumbo and an ooga, that's your child. You are supposed to take them in, feed them, house them, take care of them, give them advice. You want to see them succeed because that's your children. Imagine you have your kids. What do you do? You put them through school, through college, you pay for it so they can succeed. You get them the best type of education, and when they succeed, you're happy, you're proud. You want to make sure that they're better than you. That is the true role of a mumbo in an Uga. You are making your students are supposed, you're supposed to inspire them to surpass you. And that is the biggest thing these days where people are like, they don't want to teach you, they don't want to pass nothing because they are afraid that you're going to be better than them. But at the end of the day, you're going to die. Your legacy lives on with them. If you are, if you do not pass it down, it dies with you. It dies with you. And this is why it's important to choose people who are, well, you know, for people to be authentic, to be real, because us as well, we'll be able to see it. The spirits will show you if you are not meant to be under this person, if you are not genuine, you don't have right intentions, it's gonna fall out. And we always say, at least here it on in Society Andes or Don't all, we always say, we don't need to light a candle for you, we don't need to do nothing. You betray, you will see it. Because at the end of the day, we do what we do, as long as we do it properly. Those who are not meant to be here, it could be the worst type of fallout. And me, I get so close. I that friendship we're talking about, I do it with all my spiritual children. As long as you are willing to come under me, you are willing to build that relationship with me, you're like, okay, I want to be close, I want to talk to you. We're gonna do it. I'm a I'm a super friendly person. And again, it's a risky thing because yes, you have people who come in with the wrong intentions and they, you know, they fool you, they give you pretty words, and yeah, it happens all the time. And yes, when it happens, um, it does hurt me because I'm building a friendship with people. It's like losing a child. It happens. People have the wrong type of motives or they believe, like, oh, I'm supposed to come into the spiritual house, do a live thing, and then I'm supposed to start being Harry Potter. And it's like, I don't understand where people get that from. It's a journey, it is a very serious journey. Everything that you're doing is with purpose. If you're going to become a great leader, you have to be trained properly. And in the spiritual world, there's no there's no shortcuts. So to be truly a Ugar and a Mambo, you must go through it the proper channels. The journey has to be the way it's supposed to be, because that's how you understand. If if my my elders, if my uncle, my mother, my uh they they all uh like rushed, if they uh cut corners with me, I would never be able to be the person that I am today because it'd be so easy for me, especially because I grew up in it, it'd be so easy. I wouldn't really give a damn, you know. I wouldn't care. But because I understand, like there are certain things like, oh yeah, you know, there are things that I could talk to you about if you're not, you know, on this level of authority, and then there's this and that. Those principles matter no matter if that's your blood child, your niche, whoever they are, you treat them exactly the same, or a complete stranger, it's the same thing. And keeping that whole you treat everybody the same with honor and respect is voodoo, and it's also a mumble and a ooga.

SPEAKER_02: 25:35

Beautifully said, Oh my god, she's so passionate when she speaks, you can feel it. I was about to have a moment. I was like, it's it's true. I'm glad that you said that. And I could see the passion, the passion in your passion in your eyes about that. And and the same from um spiritual and I can see the bond. You get what I'm saying? Even with I I believe we spoke one time, we spoke to all three of us one time on that on that live when we were speaking. Yeah, yeah, and I was like, yo, I see the bond with y'all and uh and the guidance. You know, I see the guidance there, the compassion, putting her on the right path. Because as mentioned earlier, that there are a lot of charlatans out here that are misleading, some attempt to intimidate children as well for money. They do, like you know, you know, if you don't do this, you know, I'm gonna come after you in this way and come at you that spurs gonna be talk about that.

SPEAKER_04: 26:40

Oh my goodness. Yeah, you gotta pay to participate.

SPEAKER_01: 26:43

That's a word.

SPEAKER_05: 26:46

Oh now, I'm not sure where you're going with that one, but the intimidation is so valid where you even get like, you know, how people they they pretend to be us, they'll create a fake page and pretend to be us, and then you'll have people to be like, Oh, if you don't send me this money, this is gonna happen to you. And I'm like, guys, do y'all really believe this? You know, like intimidation was never a part of Udo. Like, no Uga or Mumble is going to be like, okay, well, I'm gonna put a hex on you, put a curse on you. Or if you don't send me this and do this and that, like something bad is gonna. I've always, always just kind of like just uh roll my eyes at that whole thing where people use fear to intimidate people. Like at the end of the day, if somebody disrespects you, you're being you're be you being who you are, you you being well respectful. Somebody disrespect you as a mumbo, as a ooga, as a spiritual practitioner, a person that's connected. You got nothing to worry about. Trust me. I remember I remember I got into a comment battle with this lady.

SPEAKER_06: 27:46

It's so funny.

SPEAKER_05: 27:47

I I laughed, I made a joke. I said, Lady, and it went on and on. I said, Lady, I'm on mumble. Okay, because you really, really, you really gonna run under my skin after a while. I said, Lady, I'm on mobile one. Lady, I'm on mumble two. I don't care, but lady. I said, okay, bet. I said, bet, and bet let me let me go tell on you real quick because I would love for you to be the a great example. Next day, she's like, Oh my god, can you please light a good candle for me? Me and her became mutuals, became friends. Can you please reverse whatever it was? We became friends, we were mutuals and everything.

SPEAKER_02: 28:22

You see how you said that? I'm glad you mentioned that because people think that a practic uh a spiritual practitioner within voodoo or anything else is always on the offense. No, it's defense. We never on the offense. My thing is that I'll do things protect myself. If you keep pushing, as you said, I'll give complaints for you. And we always say plant to you. I go to my altar and be like, this is what's happening. I don't know what else to do. But there's that other side of me that's like, you know what? I'm gonna deal with you one way or the other. You know, I'm tired of you. I'm tired. I'm thinking about it inside that through, and I'm um we're gonna figure this out. You know what I'm saying? She was going on.

SPEAKER_05: 29:01

She was going on and on. I said, Oh no, no, no, you're doing way too much. And the whole thread, the comment is there, though. That thing happened in comment. It wasn't even private. When it happened, she was just like, Oh my god, da da da. And then she was like, Can you please? And I was like, Yeah, of course, no problem. And then it was can we be friends and we can mutual? It wasn't like private, it was all in the comments with thousands of likes and views. So oh my god, all we did was complain. All we did was all right, pissing me off, pissing me off.

SPEAKER_02: 29:27

Just to serve. So now that you know and you you started out on one path and you went over to over to Mumble Rose um clan. Didn't that kind of start some East Coast, West Coast beast amongst the booty?

SPEAKER_04: 29:43

No, no, no, no, no. Well, how that situation started off I had to see, I had to see, because me, I'm a I'm a loyal, I'm a loyal person by nature. Like, if I rock with you, I rock with you all the way through. And can't nobody say anything to me about you because I rock with you so much. I believe in you. And I it took me a while and I did not want to see it, but I heard rumors and all that kind of stuff about you know the previous person, you know, like here and there, like, you know, every now and then I would hear rumors from other people who one used to be part of the house, and two, that they hear about the house. You know, the house's reputation is everything, you know. So when I would hear these rumors, I didn't want to believe it. I was just like, they're just, you know, they're just Americans, they don't know, da da da, you know, until I had to see this person for who they truly were for myself. Because even Mumbo, Mumbo Rose, she, you know, she was like, That's your spiritual mother. Like, you know, I I'm not, you know, because she's just so you just don't go in there and like shaking step on nobody's toes.

SPEAKER_05: 30:53

Yeah, you don't step on nobody's toes, you don't disrespect them.

SPEAKER_02: 30:59

I can't disrespect it. Okay, volet.

SPEAKER_03: 31:04

I'd be who I am. I can see my business.

SPEAKER_02: 31:07

Some of those who know what volley is, vole is thief. So you don't like all right, man, you still so on volley oh yeah. We're volley. You know what I'm saying? But I I gotta represent that.

SPEAKER_03: 31:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 31:15

So so reputation is very important.

SPEAKER_04: 31:18

Yes. And if if I would have like all the warning flags, all the warning signs, all these like little side conversations that I would hear, I wish I would have taken them seriously. That probably would have cut in half the level of trauma that I experienced. Um, but I had to see her for who who she truly was. And it got to the point where like she literally hurt my feelings like several times in like a small amount of time for me to kind of like look at her like, why are you acting this way? And I felt like that was, you know, you know, at the end of the day, like, you know, if you're not meant to be somewhere, you're never gonna be comfortable. And I just became very uncomfortable, uncomfortable up until you know, just I started to see things, I started to hear things, and I was like, oh my god, oh my god, like what do I do? Because I did not intend, I don't go to somebody's spiritual house, I don't initiate, go to their lack or go through the whole entire process just to turn around and leave the house because that's not what I go to voodoo for. I don't not a spiritual house hopper. I don't, that's not what I do. Um, that's not where my heart was. Like, if I'm in, I'm in because I love voodoo, I love the culture, I love my people. And I'm gonna stick, and I'm gonna stick beside you because I believe in in in the loise. I believe in, you know, our our revolution and all that kind of stuff. I believe in that stuff because that's where my heart is. But with you being on some weirdo stuff and you don't care about me, you don't care about my livelihood, that's when it was like I had to see the truth. And several occasions she showed me her true colors, and it just got to the point where I had to, you know, I had to talk with Mumbo, and I was like, I, you know, I, you know, that like this is how I'm feeling, this is what I'm going through, and I and I don't feel like it's right. And then, you know, we we had conversations, and I just expressed to her everything that I was going through and all that kind of stuff. And I, and you know, that's when I was like, I making the decision, like, I don't think I'm gonna stay here. Um, and I did not ask Mumba Rose, like, oh, I want to come to your spiritual house. I had to detox and mourn the relationship of me and that woman because I fucking sorry, sorry. I loved her. I loved her. That's why I loved her so much. And that's how I am. I am a loyal person. If I tell you I love you, I love you. I love you all the way, I love you through your flaws and all that kind of stuff. And and and for you to not have that same type of energy for me, and you know, the the and the truth comes out about you, that just it hurt me. So for a long time, I had it took me quite a few months to really mourn that relationship up until you know the death of I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna get into that, but you know, that's when I was like, oh my god, like I got snapped out of it because I was I was mourning.

SPEAKER_02: 34:10

That's something else.

SPEAKER_04: 34:11

Yeah, that's something else. Like, I had to open up my eyes, like, girl, that could have been you. So you know, all through my process of just like cleansing, healing, going to therapy, because yes, I had to go to therapy because of the trauma and experiences, and then also the the the the bad habits that I picked up and I was doing, and also the this the spiritual um backlash and all that kind of stuff, just like you know, I didn't, you know, I didn't have like a healthy relationship with my spirits because that was not shown to me on how to do properly because everything was about you pay for the business, yeah. It was a business, it was a business, and then you know, just me just like having to relearn some of these stuff and get rid of these bad habits. And I was like, oh my god, y'all don't understand how dangerous this is. Like, you could literally unalive somebody and something happened to somebody.

SPEAKER_02: 35:01

You don't have to use tick-tock language here. You can really please don't.

SPEAKER_05: 35:04

Oh I'm so against TikTok lingo because like how dare how dare you force us to come up with silly words to replace words that exist in the dictionary. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02: 35:15

Yeah, you don't have to use that. So with that being with that being said, listen listening to you guys. It sounds like depending women within voodoo, and I'm not trying to create no gender wars, but mumbles are more targeted if if they're like vulnerable by like deviants out there by men and women. And when I mean deviant, not only sexually, but also people that prey on you spiritually and financially.

SPEAKER_06: 35:42

Right, you're right.

SPEAKER_02: 35:45

Is that is that is that safe to say? Because I don't want nobody to get angry at me. Like, what you're trying to create, brother.

SPEAKER_05: 35:49

No, no, it's not, it's not at all like about gender wars or starting something that isn't there. Like, my whole thing is if something is um, if it's the truth, if you see proof of it, like um, like stop trying to hide it, stop trying to sugarcoat it, stop trying to be like, oh, I don't want to offend people because this is where how we create a dangerous society, a society that is you know delusional. You're right. Women are often preyed um on more because women have all this vulnerability where women sometimes they're looking for all kinds of help. Like they're gonna go to the mobble, they're gonna go to the Ugom for help for their children more often than men would. You know what I mean? Like most men, if they're going to voodoo, they're most likely going for either because they they love the occult, you know, they love the spiritual stuff, or they're looking for power, which is you know, in itself, when you think about it, it's not like oh my god, like you're an awful person. But like, you know, when you're going into it, you're looking for you know, power to become more powerful to put to protect yourself. There you go, you know what I mean. Then it's like, yes, it's valid. You know, you got people who are there in the streets. I I believe everybody who's in the streets, like you, you you better get because the world, especially our own kin, the world is not kind to us. You better get that protection a hundred percent. But women have so many reasons to turn to spirituality even without having, you know, the uh being out in the streets, you know. Of course, I'm not saying women are not there 100% are, you know, there's that, but there's also protecting your home, your children, often that, you know, that's women that does that, protecting yourself, and not just from not just from um men, but also other women who are you know who are often quite jealous of your even your appearance, you know what I mean? And will go out and and harm you, therefore, you're seeking some sort of you know spiritual protection or guidance or understanding. And you know, women are usually much more like you know, they're maternal, of course, they're like more grounded, they have a different type of understanding the way that we're wired, and that's just the fact. There's of course not everybody, some people they relate more, of course, to a masculine energy that's valid. But with that being said, where we're we're so close to nature, we see it, we're like, oh my god, herbalism, this is me, earth, like, oh, I that's me, right? Oh, yes, and so they're looking for that connection, and they'll go to a mumbo or an ugly, you'll go to a ugon who may say to you, and when I say ugon, I mean just a male spiritualist in general, no matter what practice, okay, because it happens in every single pack practice. We're talking epha, centeria, isha, whatever you it happens, okay. So that being said, they go to that male who turns around and say, like, wow, what a beautiful woman. You must have my children in order to be strong. You know what I mean? You happens all the time. Then you go to the woman, you go to the woman who's a jealous person who sees you, sees your potential, and they're like, Whoa, wait a minute, you know, so and so looks same thing. So and so look, she's cute, this and this and that. I can see that she has this connection with these spirits who they can turn around and be jealous, and then you know, instead of like helping them, they will a hundred percent, you know, downplay their power, downplay their strength. And that's different from when you're telling the person, like, you're not there yet, you know, because people get that confused, they think like because you're like, you're saying you're not ready for this and that yet, because you have to go through certain rituals. That means that you're trying to keep like absolutely not trying to protect you from getting yourself heard out there.

SPEAKER_02: 39:08

I'm trying to do it's not only spiritual, it's physical too. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_05: 39:13

And they don't realize I'm like, the listen, one thing about it is psychosis when it comes to insanity and spirituality, thin line. You have to be careful. If I'm guiding you through, I'm your guide, let me guide you. That's different from when a person sees that, and you know, they they they think like, oh, let me, you know, you the person is already if you you've already made the person a mumble. Once you are you given that key, you have to teach them. That's the difference. People don't realize that once you're at that level and a person is being stingy, that's who you know. Until you're there, don't. Until you're there, you have nothing to say. You are a your student, you're a baby, crawl first. But once you're there, they made your mom the uh Uga, they owe you to put you at the same level. That's where the real work starts, you know what I mean? So, and some people won't do that because they're simply jealous that the other woman will surpass them. So, yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02: 40:00

Oh my god, that's terrible. That's terrible. What sacrifices does it take a woman to become a, you know, outside of the atrocity, you know, the horror horrific stories, but what other sacrifices are made to become a mumble?

SPEAKER_04: 40:13

Um, I'll I'll I'll go first on that one. Um, I guess before you become a mumble, because you know, there are um steps that you have to take. Um, and me re- regoing starting all over, because I was like, I want to do it the right way. I want to start all over the right way. The biggest thing is ego. Um, you have to learn how to be a spiritual child. You have to understand the culture, you have to understand the practice, you have to understand um just like the basic stuff, and the basic stuff is a lot. So you can only imagine the other levels and the other steps that you have to do. But to prepare yourself to become a mumble or Uga, you have to work on yourself and being a good person, being healthy, being emotionally strong, mentally strong, physically tough, emotionally tough, all that kind of stuff. All of that plays a major key role before you're starting your journey. So for me, that's where I'm at right now. I'm working on myself. I am healing. I am going to therapy. I'm, you know, you know, making sure I talk to people. I'm expressing myself. I am listening. I am working on, you know, getting rid of those bad habits that I had coming in. Because at the end of the day, you know, you got you have something to prove to the spirits, not just to the spiritual mother or the house. It's your who you are, your character as a person that has to be molded, worked on, fixed, whatever you gotta do, do an exorcism, whatever. You gotta work on that before you put yourself in a space. And um, when she said spiritual psychosis, I I have seen other people go through the ringer, and that could have been me. Yeah, so and and that's why I I stress so much about it. Like, I talk about it, I preach about it because I know I was there on the in the middle of the cuss, like you know, it could go anywhere if I don't get my stuff together.

SPEAKER_02: 42:18

That's deep. You you mumble Rose.

SPEAKER_05: 42:21

Yeah, I think um what um Ange said is is brilliant, you know, like your ego, of course, you know. Um, there's a point where a hundred percent, like I always say, once you've gone through the journey, you earn that title. You know, don't let nobody try to downplay you, of course, because you know who you are. Um, but it also, you know, you always remain humble because a lot of people they kind of like put their stuff on a good job, like yeah, I don't understand. And and nippotyre can, you know, you would like the same. You know what I mean? Like the the singles, Udemy can nip show. It's that song.

SPEAKER_02: 43:02

Yeah, basically, she basically what she's saying to English speaking viewers and listeners is that it's always somebody more tougher than you. Exactly. You know, you could talk that talk, but somebody's gonna touch your jaw.

SPEAKER_05: 43:16

You could be a shark, you could be a shark, but a fisherman can, you know, can fish you, can still catch you, right? So, like, yeah, that's that's um important. And again, I have to ask, you know, I want to make sure, you know, when you and when you say sacrifice, because there's certain people who think like sacrifice, there are certain things, you know what I mean? They think like, oh, as a to become a mumble, to become a oogah, do we have to sacrifice a person, somebody in your family?

SPEAKER_02: 43:43

Yeah, much Hollywood idiots.

SPEAKER_05: 43:46

Yeah, no, you don't. Um, you what you really are doing is you are incorporating, you know, the spiritual world into your world, into this this tangible world, this physical. World, you're coming in one with it. Of course, you know, you if you wanting to truly understand, you have to be there, you have to be present for the ceremonies because you want to be. That's that's where you get mounted. That's why you dance, you enjoy yourself, you eat, you're feeding your spirits. It's for you, you know what I mean? Um, but other than that, like you can do whatever it is that you do and still be a mobile ooga. Like, you don't have to quit your job, you know what I mean? Like, you don't have to like switch your lifestyle around, like everything that you were doing as you are, you could you could still do it. Some people they think they have to be like at their you know, spiritual space, what you call your altars, have to be there every day, like you know, you know what I mean? Like, no, relaxed, you know. They think like, oh, you have to be like super, you know, you know, like always um like you know, being a character. You have to be in your Ugam mumble mode all of the time. Like, no, you go out, you enjoy yourself, you do the same thing, you know. We obviously would wear you know, wear temples. Um, I think that's everybody that should be this way. You don't you don't abuse, you know, substance and stuff like that. You carry yourself respectfully, but I think that's right, isn't that something that's to be expected of all human beings, anyways? Shouldn't be tough to do, anyways.

SPEAKER_00: 45:10

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05: 45:11

Yeah, so it doesn't ask, it doesn't really ask much of you, you know, it just asks for your honor and respect. You understand your roles, you cannot ignore your roles if there's a certain time, you know, you've seen stuff in your life, you're like, Oh no, wait a minute, wait a minute. I can't touch nothing good lately. Then you already know it's time to go feed these spirits, and that could have been five years, you know. I always tell people like people who over here cooking full meals, lobster shrimp, putting out the also. I'm like, send that to me, baby, because you out here putting all this food Monday, every Monday, Tuesday. I gotta feed this group, feed that group. I'm like, oh bam, let me get those because them food stamps not even coming out, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 45:50

You become a slave, and I know some people do become slaves, and I'm glad you said that the thin line between psychosis and spirituality, because I know some people that used to be like they see certain things. I'm like, come on, bro, like, oh, I I hear voices in the sink. I'm like, nah, nah, now you're just crazy. No, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, like you hear what?

SPEAKER_05: 46:09

Who we said not welcome to dairy, not it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 46:13

It right, like I'm like, oh, he's down. Yo, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04: 46:18

You hear voices in the sink or whatever, it's probably mice. You might want to knock it out. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 46:24

Yeah, exactly. Trust me.

SPEAKER_02: 46:26

I heard I heard stories. I have I have a I have a question I want to ask, right? How do you feel with how people are depicting voodoo on social media? I know everybody's different, right? Generationally different. We have to um, you know, look at how our elders did things, and now we're the new generation coming up, right? So we know the art of communication now is different. You got social media and you got you know regular communication, but us is social media basically. But I haven't seen like these people that be always giving less set online. How do you feel about that? People be like, yo, you got problems, go home and do this, this and that. How do you feel about how do you feel about it?

SPEAKER_05: 47:10

Sour. I would have to use that name for you now, because uh okay.

SPEAKER_02: 47:29

Yeah, talking about somebody, you're gonna you're gonna help me win the lottery.

SPEAKER_03: 47:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 47:34

But you look you in the hut. Talking about you're gonna help me win the lottery. Why can't you get up at that up at that hut?

SPEAKER_05: 47:45

We're gonna start like this. The people that are coming online and giving these recipes, do this and do that. You're gonna that, they're gonna. When has life ever been that simple, that easy, where you can do one, two, three, and everything? And you don't have to, you don't have to give nothing, you don't have to have any sort of spiritual energy attached to it. You don't have to have nothing. Money just gonna flow in your hand out of nowhere. When has life ever been that easy? If life was ever that easy, wouldn't we all be millionaires? I need you guys to ask yourself that. Who's gonna be like, ah, I know I could do this, but I'm not going to do it. It's easy to do it because I watch the TikTok, but I'm not gonna do it. I don't feel like being I don't feel like being a millionaire today. Ask yourself, when is it ever that easy? These people, the people that are that have the knowledge to even be able to give reset. We're talking about genuine people, they had to go through that journey. Like some people, this all their life they've been building their craft, their connection that they have, a connection that's a special connection to them. Spirits give them these knowledge, like these certain recipes and as you guys call it, set of spells. We call them reset. Because when you're talking about spell as a work, it's not just put cinnamon, put bay leaf, swirling around in a job. That's not that's not that's not what the work really is. The work takes a long time. One work can take one day to complete, and then after that, it's months. It could go into months for you to keep looking at, pour oil into the lamp, light it every day for seven days, it's a lot. Trust me. And when you in let don't even get me started, when you're starting to do the prayers and everything is already, you know, that's already like an hour and a half to two hours. Now, imagine that's not even the ritual.

unknown: 49:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 49:30

Imagine, you know what I mean? You're like simple spell, 10 minute spell, and that's gonna bring it, doesn't make any sense. These people that have these abilities um these lessons, these things that are given to them from their spirits, you think they're gonna turn around and then be like, here it is for free. When they had to do things for their spirits, they had to take care of their spirits in order to get that, to be able to be like, This is what I gift to you. This is what I take you under the water. You, I took you. I didn't take Sally Billy Bob Joe. I took you. They gave you these this knowledge, and then you come back out and you're like, Here you that's why when people go under the water, they come back out, they say they don't talk.

SPEAKER_01: 50:04

Yeah, they don't.

SPEAKER_05: 50:05

You often hear that. They don't talk. They the people they do talk, they do talk. But I'm saying there is a period where they do not talk, and when they talk to people, it's not everybody who can approach them just any way. It's not that they're mute. I want you to understand what I'm trying to say. It's not like they're mute, it's like saying they don't reveal these secrets because that's that's for them. Now you think people are gonna come online and be like, oh, here's this for free. No, they want the views, they want the like, they want the engagement because of course, you know, they're still getting something for that, regardless whether you do it or not, if it works for you or doesn't work, whatever consequences, whatever that's gonna happen to you after that, it doesn't matter to them. It doesn't matter to them. You know, there are certain things that we said, there's baggage job, if you know you know, and then there are certain things you do where there's you you do what you have to do, you pay what you have to pay, and no consequences. Or people be like, Oh, is that gonna come back? Is that gonna fire backfire? Why would I want to do something? Why would I want to do work for you if it's gonna backfire? That doesn't that doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Take it with a grain of salt, you know. You've seen these things the way that I see it, the you know, TikTok, the YouTube, and the people that are like giving this and giving that. Just think about it. If it seems like it's too good to be true, because it is.

SPEAKER_02: 51:09

Look at them in the video. Yeah, look at them. Like, look, they be like this, right? Hey, they have a candle like this, right? And behind them is a skinny donkey, a dog, like somebody sleeping. And I'm like, look at his shorts, first and foremost. Look at what he got on. No disrespect. Look at him.

SPEAKER_05: 51:32

Yo, like my like my spiritual father always says, he says, Your mom got being shimming. The donkey back there starving. Go feed the donkey. Yeah, but you know, you know, if there's also another part of that conversation where there are certain people you'll see that are walking around, and these elders they don't have nice houses, they're not living in luxury, you know what I mean? And then and then these are the people, the ones that come from the mud, you know, where my family came from outside the mountain, yeah. Okay, and was laughing at me about that. My family came from the mon where we came from. These people are the most spiritually connected. And these people that when when they do a work for you, they're not telling you I'm gonna give you this for free. You know what I mean? They're not they're not gonna charge you like$30,000. So, no, they're not gonna, they're not gonna be rich. Do you know what I mean? They're not charged, they're working for you. It doesn't exchange, but they're gonna they're not gonna be, I'm gonna give you a uh a my lajeur, a suitcase of money. Do you know what I mean? That they'll work for you to give you what it is that you need. You pay, you pay them, they do the work, but it has to be spent. And what people don't understand, Vodan Isam, true vodonizan, people that are really there for doing it for real, you want to know why they're not rich because they're not selfish, they're not eating by by their south, they have families to feed. If they eat their whole entire house, that that they have to eat too. If you're participating, what you gave whatever, they have to eat too. When you're doing prosperity, and this is what I don't like when people talk about when you're doing work for prosperity for luck, that person needs an anchor. If you got nothing going on, where are you gonna pull it from? People think like, oh, people are doing working for you for prosperity, but they're not rich. How can they because you they're giving you luck? If that luck is favoring you for you to be a millionaire, for you to start a business, they may not have the means to start the business. Perhaps you do, perhaps you do. You're gonna take that money now. You're gonna have more luck. You're gonna have more luck in the business.

SPEAKER_06: 53:35

The charity started.

SPEAKER_05: 53:36

Yeah, the business that you started, you have that anchor, it's gonna go up, up, up, up, up. That's what's gonna get you rich. It's not money falling out of thin air. Stop this whole thing where people say that, or look at a person if they're poor, if they're this and that. It's not, it's not, it's not just black and white, it goes deeper than that. Yes, the person that's promising you a suitcase of money being poor, the Freud. Too easy, too easy. But those that tell you, oh, come in, we're gonna do a bank chance for you, we're gonna do a bath of luck for bath, and let you let you know that whatever you have, put this in your business, put this in the those are the people. Those that's what makes sense. That should click.

SPEAKER_02: 54:14

Yeah, I'm I'm glad you said that because I'm gonna start flagging those pages. Yes, you see my face, I'm gonna start flagging you. I'm gonna write reviews on you guys. Get them up out of here, man. Got people out here spending money on Saint Michelle all day. That's all people want now. Yo, come on, bro. Yeah, I know you know that, right?

SPEAKER_01: 54:36

They're gonna come for me. They're gonna hate me.

SPEAKER_03: 54:38

They they sure will. They don't play about fake scams, money.

SPEAKER_01: 54:41

Yeah, like yeah, stop your scamming, bro.

SPEAKER_05: 54:44

Nobody's scared of the fake dollar bills. We know it'd be like in the bottom, the bills be like um, the hundred dollar bills be like uh, what is it, Hollywood used for Hollywood?

SPEAKER_02: 54:54

Yeah, you're scamming people, you know. Now, for real, because I was told that too. My my spirit mother told me that. She's like, Oh, they're gonna come after you. But she said, I know you're not worried. I'm like, mean no, I'm not worried.

SPEAKER_05: 55:04

No, I'm like, if your thing was good, you would use it for yourself. You see the when they be doing the videos, and then they do the cut the Heshi people be pissing me off of those videos, and it's not just Hank Street people, I've seen other ones too. When they do the cuts, they'd be like, Oh do the what they be like, I'm gonna put this the snake in here, and then they close the thing and then they do a cut, they do a cut. You can see it.

SPEAKER_01: 55:28

The video, right?

SPEAKER_03: 55:29

Yes, yes. Then they open it and then the snake is gone.

SPEAKER_01: 55:36

Give this it's crazy. What was that about?

SPEAKER_04: 55:43

Yo, which one? Which video? Then I send it, I sent it to you.

SPEAKER_01: 55:48

Yo, he's dead city.

SPEAKER_04: 55:50

Oh, okay. I saw that video. Then I saw something else. There's another video I gotta send you. Where somebody was spraying, he was he was putting like some kind of liquid, and he sprayed it on the guy's head, and his head caught on fire. But see, oh that's old, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 56:06

But common sense has to come, common sense has to come into effect. Flambo liquid, open fling.

SPEAKER_04: 56:13

And he was supposed to be spraying him or whatever. I don't know how he got a I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 56:22

The last question I had before we leave, right? Because you guys gotta come back for a part two. I gotta have you I'm doing I'm doing a special soon called the Caribbean Nights. I'm gonna have you guys come on there. Uh you know what I'm saying? Yeah, come on there. We're gonna chill. It's gonna be a club on Friday night on TikTok. I mean on an online club. I have a question. Um can a can a can a mumble become a vocal? Can a can a woman be a boca? I have never seen a female vocal.

SPEAKER_06: 56:50

Honestly, that you know vocals.

SPEAKER_05: 56:56

You know, it that's actually a pretty good question. Yeah, that's a mumble. That's not yeah, because boca is kind of like context, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's context. You could refer to um a female as a bok or but like once you're there, like people kind of just go straight to like you know, mumble. They'll go straight to they'll say, you know, metres. But like a ooga as could be referred to as a boco, a mumble, you know what I mean? Could be referred to as a bok, or it's not a it's it's not gender. It's great, it's a great question. There's like, I mean, boko is sort of kind of like genderless, you know what I mean? Yeah, but usually people just kind of go into like once you're in there, they just they call you a mumble. But it's it's a it's a great question, it really is.

SPEAKER_02: 57:40

I gotta I gotta find one because but because the idea is like with this, I'm glad you guys came on. I appreciate you too. It's to give shed light on patient voodoo to tell people like it's not what you think, it's just something negative. Like they are an aspects of it, and majority, as you said, and put context to it, the negative things that you actually hear is not really voodoo. Are not really voodoo because they are different sects that got involved that they lumped into voodoo.

SPEAKER_05: 58:08

Yes, no, voodoo, because voodoo is really about healing, the choices, yeah, it's the it's the choices of people, it's not what voodoo was meant to be. It it is really, it's it is, you know, because for us, that's the word for you know the spiritual, the occult and stuff like that. But the branches, there are branches that people don't realize that do that kind of stuff. Or typically, when you go into that kind of stuff, or you're doing people who doing that dark stuff, the evil stuff you go into off the bag job, you know what I mean? Like they they don't group it into that now. They have like a different section for it, but it's still you know spiritual, you're still using, you know. But like the voodoo is you're right. The voodoo, what voodoo is supposed to be, it's not that. It's that's not that's not what it truly is. That's choices of those people who chose to kind of step out of outside of that realm and go into that direction.

SPEAKER_02: 59:01

Yeah, I got that. Yo, I appreciate you, sisters, for coming out, man. Really do. Yo, y'all both rocked and with you. Prayers for you.

SPEAKER_04: 59:11

You're under the tutelage of Mumble Rose, yes, yes, you know, healing, support, all that kind of stuff. Like, I'm always gonna be an advocate for that because for what I went through, baby.

SPEAKER_02: 59:25

I'm gonna start initiating people too, man. I'm gonna start charging people ten thousand dollars when I'm gonna give you because my see my see my my Ugun name is Ugun Sun Dun.

SPEAKER_03: 59:33

So what I did is wait, what sun dun? We'll go to dinner, we'll go near Ugun Sunda.

SPEAKER_02: 59:43

How initiation works, yo. I'm gonna send you the store, you gotta get me two two Lucy's of beer. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06: 59:51

Wait, I didn't hear you.

SPEAKER_02: 59:56

And then for three days, I'm gonna have you sleep in uh in a homeless shelter, and then I'm gonna tell you something else. You know, instead of you know, the food, I'm gonna give you something you see in the homeless session. I'm gonna bring you the food, and I'm gonna say, make sure I'm gonna phone you back. Okay, you have you ready to come out. All right, then let's go. How are we Uga Sunday? Oh my god. I got you.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:23

Hello, Uga Sunday. You do zoom initiations?

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:26

Yeah, I do on Skype.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:27

Yeah, oh there we go. Skype.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:30

I tell you, go in the bathtub, and you know, I want you to visualize on your head, and then say these three words, and then you come back.

SPEAKER_06: 1:00:38

Okay, I got you.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:40

Send you a bracelet. You see, I go buy you a two dollar bracelet sending to you. Now you're part of you part of the movement.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:45

You're part of the movement.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:47

Courtesy of Ugun Sunday. Okay, and then it fashion. All right, my sisters. I love ya. I appreciate y'all. I need to come back out. With that being said, NYP, we out, yo. Peace.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:01

Peace. Peace.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:02

Ugin Sunday.