Our Savior Has Arrived by Kevin Ali

If you’ve ever wondered why some people say the Savior is already here, this conversation goes straight to the source text they’re building from. We sit down with Kevin Ali to break down the Nation of Islam book Our Savior Has Arrived, published under the auspices of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, and we talk about what the title really implies when “has arrived” reads like a present-tense claim. Along the way, we trace how these writings began as newspaper columns aimed at Black readers outside the movement, which changes how you understand the tone, structure, and urgency of the message.

We move from history into doctrine: who the Savior is identified as in NOI teachings, why W.D. Fard Muhammad is associated with titles like Mahdi and Messiah, and how Elijah Muhammad’s Christian literacy is framed as part of the setup rather than a contradiction. We also connect the book to Supreme Wisdom lessons, the University of Islam training mindset, and the idea that study is progressive, meaning the same pages can read differently as your life and world events change.

Then we get practical and controversial: what “recognition” is supposed to look like, why the discussion claims global conflict acts as demonstration, and why preparedness shows up as a serious spiritual instruction. We also touch the Mother Plane narrative and how some listeners link “coming in the clouds” language to modern UFO disclosure conversations and documentaries people are sharing right now.

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Transcript

Welcome And Tonight’s Big Theme

SPEAKER_02 0:12

What's going on, everybody out there? It's Ron Brown T, the People's Fitness Professional AKA Soul Brother Number One, reporting for duty. And I am your host. Oh well, I already just told you. Uh, anyway, and uh we have uh brother Kevin Ali in the building with us this evening to talk about our savior has arrived. How do you feel this evening, brother Kevin Ali?

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Brother Ron, I feel fantastic. All praises are due to all of them who came in the person of Master Farab Muhammad for his coming and for the raising of our messenger. Thank you for having me this evening on the hottest uh discussion show on YouTube in the world right now.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

I like that.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

NYP Talk because NYP Talk is talking about what the gods are talking about, what the messengers are talking about, what the Moors are talking about, what the 5% are talking about. It is the hottest in the world because nobody else is nobody else is putting it down like this. Nobody.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

It's just about the it's about the information that you're getting out there, which is phenomenal for our people. So thank you for having me.

Getting The X And Temple Life

SPEAKER_02 1:20

I got new sound effects. We gotta use them. Hold on. You hear it? All right, all right. So now um today we're talking about our savior has arrived. Uh, just real quick, you know. Uh, I just got my ex. Now let the audience know. I just got my ex. My name is Ronald X now. Uh uh, got a uh couple, oh I got my ex uh what? You brother. Couple weeks, okay, okay. Thank you, sir. I I got my ex a couple weeks ago, three weeks ago, a couple weeks, three weeks, something like that. Um, let you know that experience, like no other, just to let y'all know, like no other, you gotta link up with brother Eric Muhammad. If you uh having funny feelings about Eric Muhammad for whatever reason, because you know he well, the way he builds on camera is it's different from the way he is in the physical. The brother is a really good brother, really good brother, just to let y'all know. That whole experience with Temple 15, I'm loving it right now. I'm loving it.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

I'm glad I'm glad you said what I've been trying to tell people for years. He is completely different off camera. Well, not completely different, but he's much different off camera.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

Indeed. So now um I want to go into the first question. Who is the savior if we're talking about our savior has arrived?

SPEAKER_01 2:59

Well, before we hit that first question, brother Ron, can I give some background?

SPEAKER_02 3:03

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

This is the book we're talking about, and as you can see, the words are backwards, so that means the flag is pointing in the right direction for all you naysayers. But this is the book, Our Savior Has Arrived. It was published under the auspices directly of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad in 1974. But it's important to have a little backdrop on how this book and all the books came into existence. This book, I don't know if you knew this or not, Brother Ron, the books of the messenger were not originally composed and compiled to be books. They were written in newspaper columns, they were articles in newspaper columns, like the Pittsburgh Courier, like the Amsterdam News, like the Los Angeles Herald Examiner. And you can tell if you read in Our Savior Has Arrived, in chapter 26 of Our Savior Has Arrived, the days of Allah, and in chapter 23, uh he Allah makes all things new. The messenger says, quote, in chapter 23, there's much more of this subject that I would like to teach, but space is limited. In chapter 26, he says, Here it's talking about the Bible teaches that the Son of Man will come, and the messenger writes, Here I do not have the time and the space to teach you why he is called the Son of Man. Well, what do you mean he doesn't have the time and the space? There's plenty of time and space in a book, right? Mm-hmm. Because it wasn't written as a book. Okay. They were articles, so there wasn't time and space in those articles he was written, writing. Later on, they were compiled in a book and they were published in 1974. There were it in a lot of those newspaper columns, the messenger would have two newspaper articles, uh, newspapers. There will be two columns: Mr. Muhammad Speaks, which you would have articles from how that were have been compiled and Our Savior has arrived as well as Messenger of the Black Men. And you would also have a How to Eat to Live column, also in some of these newspapers as well. So that's the origin of the book being published. So who would you say, Brother Ron? Let me ask you a question. When the messengers is writing an article in black newspapers, who would you say is the intended target of those newspaper articles that he's writing?

SPEAKER_03 5:20

Black people.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

But which ones in particular? Would you say his followers?

SPEAKER_02 5:26

No, sir. It'll be the 17 million.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Who have not yet accepted.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

Right.

Who The Savior Is In NOI

SPEAKER_01 5:31

Because those newspapers were only coming out once a week or maybe once a month. Well, the messenger was talking to his followers every day of the week through his ministries. So he didn't have to wait to tell them to do something through a newspaper article. But he's writing the lost found. So that's the backdrop that I wanted to give to all of these books that were published under the auspices of the honorable Elijah Muhammad. They started out as columns in black newspapers. So now, with that backdrop, your first question again was who is the savior?

SPEAKER_02 6:02

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

The honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that the savior that is addressed in our savior has arrived, present participle of the verb to arrive, meaning that he is here and is present, is the man that he said that he met in approximately September of 1931, who at that time was known as the prophet W. D. Farad, who was teaching in uh Detroit and in Detroit suburb, namely uh Ham Travic and other small Detroit suburbs, who the people knew as the prophet W.D. Farad at that time.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Okay, so now this is from my own my own mind, right? So I'm doing my own studying and all that. And uh so the nation of Islam, from what I've researched, is said it started in 1930. So then you said he met W.D. Farad in 1931.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Approximately September of 1931 is when the messenger met him.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

Messenger, okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Now, ironically, the first person in the messenger's family to meet W. D. Farad was his wife. She went to the meetings first and said, Hey, you have got to go hear this man. And she is the one who convinced him to go and hear him. Now, according to the honorable Elijah Muhammad, our savior, the one he identified as the long-awaited Messiah of the Christians and the Media of the Muslims, began teaching us in and declared his presence July of 1930. So almost a year and what two months prior to the messenger actually physically meeting him and going to hear him teach. He also teaches us that he was in and out of this particular country for 20 years prior to making himself known, which makes his arrival in America approximately 19 and 10.

Why The Book Hits So Hard

SPEAKER_02 8:00

All right, Jay, got you. All right, my second question is why is this book so important?

SPEAKER_01 8:08

Brother, this is um, and this is just for me personally. The first book that I read was Message to the Black Man in America, and as you know, the first chapter in that, in the first section, deals with who is that mystery God? But all throughout that first chapter, it was talking about, and the messenger would refer to Master Farad Muhammad, to whom praise you forever. So Almighty God has taught me in the person of Master Farad Muhammad. And he kept talking about Master Farad Muhammad, but for me, what really solidified my uh further study and really solidified my background in the church was the fact when the messenger said that this person, this individual that he met, was the savior, the Jesus that the whole world has been looking for for the last 2,000 years. Not only that, he is the Madid, or other people will pronounce it Mahdi. The messenger said the correct pronunciation is Mahadaya of the Muslims and the Messiah of the Christians. Both religions, and including Judaism, are looking for a man, a messiah, a savior to come at the end of the wicked world of Satan. So for me, this book was important in that regard to really focus my attention on what I had learned in the church about Jesus and the second coming of Jesus, etc. etc. etc. As with my background being as a Christian growing up.

Supreme Wisdom And Student Training

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Okay, okay. All right. Now, um, how does how does it connect with Supreme Wisdom, this book?

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Brother, the the connection, and when you say supreme wisdom, you mean you're referring to the lessons. So enrollment, actual facts, yeah, uh lost found Muslim lesson number one, lost found lesson Muslim lesson number two, uh, problem book, and English lesson number C C one. These are what we would refer to as the supreme wisdom or the lessons for memorization. I would submit to you that those supreme wisdom are lessons for our, those are the ones that are for our memorization. But the entire body of work of the honorable Elijah Muhammad is in fact supreme wisdom. I would submit to you that even though it's not for quote unquote memorization, that every word out of the pen and mouth of the honorable Elijah Muhammad is in fact a lesson for us. And they are, you can't separate what we memorize, what we're supposed to memorize. You can't separate that from what we read and hear from the messenger. They they go hand in hand, they work together. It's kind of like when we were in college, the college professor would recommend to, well not recommend, uh, the first thing we got was a course syllabus when we enrolled as students. And you're gonna have this book, this book, and this book, and also required reading is this, this, and this.

SPEAKER_03 11:18

Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

But then there was also things that the professor would put up, and I'm I'm showing my age here, brother. The professor would put up on the chalkboard, which weren't in any of the books we read to give further context to what we were reading. It's no different. When we get our ex, when we come in the nation of Islam, we are actually enrolling as students. Student, well, if we roll in a student, what's the name of our school? Our school is called the University of Islam. You are actually enrolling in a course of study that only begins with your acceptance of the letter X. That's only the beginning, that's the beginning of your course of study. And the first thing you do is you memorize student enrollment actual facts, and then you're gonna recite it by heart. And then in the old days, under the messenger, you would be given only one question and answer at a time, and you wouldn't get the next one.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

That is interesting, that's very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

You wouldn't get the next one until you could recite it by heart.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

I want you to repeat this just for the nation of uh the five percent under the messenger in the temples, under the messenger of messenger Elijah Muhammad.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Once you recite a student enrollment in actual facts, you would only get the next question and answer. And you had to memorize that question and answer, and you wouldn't get the next question and answer until you memorized. And it kept building on that. It was progressive. So if you got so in week three, let's say you did one a week. Well, on week three, in order to get question and answer number three, you had to recite question and answer number one and two to get question and answer number three.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

Sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

All praises before, huh?

SPEAKER_02 13:12

Now, uh, what names did W. F. Mohammed go by, like the different names. I don't I don't want to call it aliases.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

You mean his his proper names or or some of the names that he's referred to in the scriptures?

SPEAKER_02 13:26

His proper names.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Uh, some of the proper names that he went by was the original name that he went by, proper name was W. D. Farad. The messenger said, Who are you? What is your name? He said, My name is Madi or Mahadaya. I am God. I came to guide you to the right path so that you might be successful. The messenger said, he signed his name W. D. Farad. But in the third name, he signed his in the third year, he signed his name W.F. Muhammad, which stands for Wallace Farad Muhammad. He came alone. This is very key for us as students. I always wonder why the messenger always put that on there. He said he signed his name W. In the third year, he signed the WF Muhammad, he stands for Wallace Farad Muhammad. He came alone. This is signifying that this, in fact, is an independent God. He has the ability, according to our Savior, has arrived. He has the ability to reproduce this entire universe or destroy this entire universe. He also has the ability to write the Holy Quran or Bible by himself. Now, what does that mean? Who wrote the Holy Quran or Bible? Why does Islam renew her history every 25,000 years? The Holy Quran or Bible is written by who? The original people. Who is Allah, the supreme being or black man of Asia? We write this history every 25,000 years in accord with the circumference of our planet, almost 24,896,000 miles. Every time we complete a cycle of history, we renew it for another cycle of history. Who writes this in this cycle of history? The original scientist, the circle of gods. There's 12 and 12 of them, 12 major, 12 minor, 24 total. How do they write it? They go out and tune in on the people. And then they gather up this information of what the people are thinking and what they're doing, then they put it in a book called Bible or Quran, and then it lasts for 25,000 years. That's how they used to do it. Hold on. You better have that explosion uh uh sound effect still in effect.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Oh, yeah, hold on, hold on. Wait, hold on. Wait, hold on, hold on. I gotta go. No. I can't still make sound effects. I don't even know which one yet. Hold on. I found it. There we go. Hold on, we gotta wait. We gotta wait till all this. All right, hold on, hold on, one more time. All right, that's the one. So, anyway, let's go back to it. 24 scientists, they would gather the thoughts of the people. Yes.

Parents Ethnicity And The Disguise Idea

SPEAKER_01 16:31

How would they do that? Through the clouds? By tuning in on the thinking of the people, by going out amongst the people, observing them, and tuning in on the people. Brother, the cell phone is not a new invention. The messenger said that the wise gods and the wise prophets and some of the some of the worthies have the ability to tune in on the peoples, particularly Jesus of 2,000 years ago, and know what people's thoughts were. There are some of our people today who have the, they said they said they had the gift, they had the gift. She got the gift who can see some of this. That's how they write history and write it in advance of it happening. But now we have a God who represents self-independence. He doesn't need 12 scientists to write the history. He doesn't even need to tune in on the thoughts of the people to write the history. The messenger said that he has a new Holy Koran already written. The messenger said, I saw one word of it. I saw the Holy Kwan. He's waiting for the proper time to give it to me. He said I could only recognize one letter of it. He wrote this Holy Quran by himself. He didn't use any help of any other scientists. He didn't even tune in on the people to do it. And this Quran is to guide the people who make it into the hereafter. Self-independence. That's why he chose the name Farad. Farad is the means the early morning or the early morning prayer. And he comes in the early morning or the dawn of the 7,000th year of our present cycle of civilization, which was 6,000 years of evil. And he represents a new wisdom, a new way of thinking. And he has actually cut short the wisdom of the 24 scientists by some 9,000 years. We're only in approximately the 16,000th year of our present cycle, 25,000. See, brother, I'm not doing none of this by I ain't reading none of this here. You understand what I'm saying? See what I'm saying? This I can prove, I can show everything I'm saying with you. I can show you where I got this from the message. We right here with the man God, brother. It's here and it's in here. I'm nothing special. All I'm doing is sharing with you what is in this great book, our savior has arrived, in combination with the supreme wisdom for our memorization and repeating it from heart. Gotcha. And as you saw, I didn't, I wasn't that great on repeating uh that lost found Muslim lesson from heart. I'm not the greatest memorizer, but I am a pretty good uh understander of what it means in relation to what the messenger meant. And that's I think that's my what I'm able to share with with people. I'm not the best member, you probably probably can kill me in memorization of lessons. But I can hold my own in this in the cipher.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

Now I want to go with uh this question, even though I know this question right here might be, I don't know, sometimes it can get a little tricky, but what was uh his mom and dad's ethnicity?

SPEAKER_01 19:43

That is an excellent question, and that and that's why when I asked you, you you said what were some of his names. I was asking you about what were some of his uh proper names, or what were some of the names that he's known scripturally? One of the names that our savior is known as scripturally is son of man. And what is the son of man? Well, the son of man is the son of a man. We are all sons of some man, we have to be. We all have a mother and a father, but in particular, this one is identified as son of man because it teaches us that he's part of an original man and he's part of a made man, we're taught by the honorable Elijah Muhammad. This means, and the Christians, the Christians out there in the audience know this know this, uh, Jesus had to have a specially prepared body to do his work. So the father of the savior was a solid black man, an original black man. And he recognized when did their own people find out that they were here? Approximately 60 years ago. So 1930 minus 60 takes us to approximately when? 1870. I I'm not good doing math in my head either.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Right now, right now, I'm I'm not. I'm focused on that.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Whatever 1930 minus 60 years is, that's when the savior's father and the council that he was with recognized where we were, and that we were a black nation lost inside of a white nation. So he knew that he could not come to America as a solid black man into an all-white country. Matter of fact, the white man knew that he was coming at some point as well. Some Catholic priests said, Elijah, we knew this was coming, we just weren't 100% sure. So we're on, they were scouting, looking for a black man coming from the east to get amongst them. They didn't want any black people coming and teaching us anything from our native land and people. So his father chose a woman from the Caucasus Mountains.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

Not just from the real quick, just to go back to the dad. Father is from where exactly again?

SPEAKER_01 22:02

His father is an original black man.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Okay, but from where?

SPEAKER_01 22:08

I don't have the exact whereabouts according to what the messenger teaches. I could say from deductive reasoning that he was from or in the holy city Mecca, since that's where Master Farad Muhammad was from, the Holy City Mecca. I'm deducing that. I'm also deducing that his father was the head scientist of the council. Because the holy tribe of Shabbaz is the tribe that produces the wisest of the gods all the time. Master Farad Muhammad being the wisest now, the one wiser prior to him, I'm going to say was his daddy because he came up with the plan to save us. So in order to get by the authorities who were preventing anybody, especially anybody teaching Islam from the east, he said he made a man in a specially prepared body. The Bible says it like this. He came in sinful flesh to condemn sin in the flesh. So he chose this woman from amongst the Caucasus mountains. Now, not just physically mountains high up in the air, the Caucasus mountains, the mountains represent the high rulership of the Caucasian people who are civilized and who understand and who believe in Islam. The Bible says it like this: seven devils were cast out of her to make her fit. So she was a member of the caucus, the Caucasian people, in order to make a specially prepared man. And that's why Master Farad Muhammad looks the way he looks. He is a black man, but his mother was a Caucasian woman. As many of us today have one of our parents who is a Caucasian person. You are a black man. You are a black one, regardless of what that Caucasian parent is, because the black gene is dominant. The white gene is recessive. All of us have the recessive gene in us. Some of us are phenotypically more expressive of that recessive gene, but all of us, I don't care how black you are, all of us have the recessive gene in us in America. And now almost throughout the earth, brother.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

Indeed. Now, um, so his dad, do you have any information on his dad? Because his dad taught him, correct?

SPEAKER_01 24:33

His dad initially taught him. Matter of fact, originally you you will hear the messenger say that his father took the baby from the mother when the baby was born. His first teacher was his father, as far as supreme or divine wisdom. But his father also went and gathered up wisdom from schools of thought for wherever he could get a piece of wisdom from, he would gather that wisdom and share it with his son from all from all the four corners of all the all the black nations. What was his name? Uh I never heard the message say his name was Alphonsa. I don't know where that comes from, but I never heard the messenger say that. So I'm gonna assume I'm gonna deduce his name was Mr. Muhammad. But even that I'm not sure of. What was his mother's name? Baba G, Baby G.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

I never heard Baby G.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

I never heard the messenger teach that. If if somebody can show me where the messenger taught that, okay, but I never heard her call baby g or baba G or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

Okay, but the fact that you said he gathered the knowledge from uh from a few different schools of thought and etc. Around that time in the 1800s and uh before that, and around the early 1900s, there was like a big boom of information and different scholars coming out of the woodworks.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Uh, I would like to know who he studied with, you know, uh, but we don't we don't have any information on his on his don't have any information, and just like that, we don't we don't have any information of what was given to the honorable Elijah Muhammad to study. We know one, we know, we know one of the books he was given. We know one of the books was the Holy Quran. That's the one we know for sure that he was giving. But the other 103 books or four books in the congressional library, we don't know. I do know that there are several books that the messenger mentioned that in his writings. One of those books, and it's on my shelf, is called Life of Muhammad by Washington Irving. The messenger specifically references that book, I believe, in uh Theology of Time. The other book that I know that comes to mind that the messenger specifically mentions is Brown America. I forget the author. I think he messages messages mentions this book in Message to the Black Men. Uh, there might be one or two others that I heard the messenger specifically mentioned, but I don't know. I don't know if those are one of the 104 books or not. I don't know. You're familiar with that. That the mess that was one of his assignments to read those hundred read 104 books in the yeah, but I don't know what those books are.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

That'll be me.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Nobody does. No one does. Yeah, gotcha. Hoy Kawan, we do know is one of them.

Arrests Prison Claims And WWII Context

SPEAKER_02 27:24

Okay, now um, I know I'm asking a lot about um Master Ferrara Muhammad, but I'm I'm interested. Um, so when he came in contact with Elijah Muhammad, how old was he? Like what were the ages around? I know the the last thing I've read.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

What's you made me do math in my head, man?

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Was it was it like in his 40s?

SPEAKER_01 27:49

Well, February 26, 1877. So what's 1931 minus 1877?

SPEAKER_03 27:59

Hold on.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

You said what 1931.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

1931 minus 1877.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

1931 minus 1837?

SPEAKER_01 28:13

1877 he was born.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

1877. 54 years old.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

So he was he was 54 in 1931. He was a baby, he's a young man. That's the baby. That's a baby, bro.

unknown 28:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

The messenger teaches us that there's no set time for us to die. He said the wisest gods live a thousand years. So yeah, 54, that's a baby. We're babes at 54.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

So you see it yourself, brother. You're you're a licensed massage therapist, an exercise physiologist, you're trained. You, brother, you're what? You're 40 something years old.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

45.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

You move, uh, you know, you look a whole lot different than the average 45-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

You've seen me move, uh, you know I'm 63. I look a whole lot different than the average 63-year-old. Yeah, for sure. And we we only doing a little bit of the of uh of how we're supposed to do it. This is the supremate one. So 54, a baby. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Right, right. So now, so he was 54 at that age, but before that, what was he what was he doing, you know? So, like I asked because, you know, there, you know, things out there saying that he went to prison, he met uh, you know, honorable Elijah Muhammad, or not met him there, but he went to prison. Elijah Muhammad was going to prison. Uh Honorable Elijah Muhammad came out at 45, and then that's when he really started focusing on the teachings and growing the nation and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Yeah, uh, Master Far Muhammad never went to prison, if you will, where he served a sentence, you know, was charged and convicted of a crime and served the sentence. That was that would have been the the phony Wallace D. Ford, who went to San Quentin prison on drug charges. I forget, I don't know what the year was. Now, Master Farad Muhammad, Wallace D. Farad, W. D. Farad, he was arrested in Detroit several times for teaching Islam to black people. But he never was convicted of any crime. He was arrested. He was brought in, booked, fingerprinted, questioned, and released. Each time he was brought in, booked, fingerprinted, arrested, and released, he called for the messenger to come see him because he wanted the messenger to know the price of what it would take to deliver the truth to black people. Remember this, brother. This is the man who this man just drugged Ronald Byrd in Jasper, Texas, 20 years ago. Drug him behind a truck until his body fell apart 25 years ago, but this is the man who was murdering people in civil rights for wanting to just because we wanted to go to the toilet with him. Just to drink a five. I mean, imagine trying to teach Islam to your slaves. And so that he wanted the messenger to know. Now the messenger eventually did go to the messenger did go to prison. He was arrested in approximately at the beginning of World War uh II. And the Caucasians told him, uh, Elijah, we're sorry we have to do this, but we've got to win this war. And if you are out here preaching against uh joining us in the war to your people, well, we need these black bodies to win the war. So we're just gonna have to take you off the streets for a while, and that while ended up being almost five years he did in prison for draft invasion, even though the messenger was too old for the draft, and he did almost five years in the federal penitentiary for draft evasion, the messenger thing. Gotcha. Messenger did go to federal prison on a charge.

SPEAKER_03 32:04

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

All right, now um trumped up charge, right?

Christianity Connection And Language Claims

SPEAKER_02 32:09

So we already spoke about who who taught uh uh uh Master Farad Muhammad, right? And that was his his father. So now I want to talk about um hold on one second. As far as the book, and the like what do you get out of the book, like the overall message behind it?

SPEAKER_01 32:34

The overall message for me personally that this book gave me was that my Christian background and upbringing was not that different than what the messenger was trying to get over to me.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Hold on, hold on. I'm realizing myself, brother, that that Christian foundation wasn't so bad.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

No, it wasn't bad, brother. The messenger was a Christian. Not only was he a Christian, he wanted to be a preacher. His daddy was a Baptist preacher, his granddaddy was a Baptist preacher, and he said, because of his knowledge of the scriptures, he was able to identify the first time he heard W.D. Farrar preach, he said, it's you, isn't it? You the one that the butt book is talking about. I hear it. I I you're you're hitting everything that I that I've heard. You're the one, right? It's you, ain't it? And the savior was like, this is me acting all right. Chill on that.

SPEAKER_03 33:37

You know, chill. Keep that on the DL. Come here, man. Who else knows this? Just me, sir.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Okay, well, keep that to yourself right now. Because he was looking for his messenger. Oh, there you go. How can he be God and he was searching and looking for his messenger? Didn't he know where he was? Of course he knew where he was. But he also had to, he's a world traveler. So not only did he have to save us, he would have to save and interact with all of the people of the earth. So those old writers of scripture, the old scientists who he's now eclipsed in wisdom, they wrote, without knowing the specifics, that he would search. So since they wrote it, and since we cannot break the mathematical precision of Islam and all the equations of Islam and mathematics, and they wrote that he would search, we can't make the old prophets out to be liars according to the lessons, right? Or according to the messenger. So the Savior went and searched. In his searching, he went and learned all the languages of the people. He went and learned their customs, he learned 16 languages and could write 10 of them. He learned the, and we're thinking this is Spanish, Italian, Latin, and French. I'm gonna submit to you something else. He learned the language of the birds, the messenger teaches us. The savior also learned and deduced and uh extracted the language of the people of Mars.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

Okay. Wait, hold on.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

Oh, wait. We're so small-minded, we're thinking French, Italian, German, uh, French, Italian, Spanish, uh, Portuguese. Those are probably all the same language. Two languages the messenger told us was that he extracted the language of the people to Mars and the language of the birds. And the messenger said, I wonder when he's gonna teach me the language of the birds. So then people say, Oh, that's all that's all he knew was 16 languages. There's more than 16 languages on the earth. Hebrew, islam, um, Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, are those different languages, or are those the same language? Okay, I don't I don't know, but people of Mars language and bird language. That's what the message said that he learned. People in Mars and bird language? The language of the birds. You can talk to birds. Listen, don't you don't well you're you're in New York, so you might not hear them too much.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

No, no, I'm I'm I'm in New York, but I I'm around a lot of birds though.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

Yeah, you hear they're talking to each other, right? Yeah, yeah. You ever sit in the park bench and the bird comes up to you and starts talking?

SPEAKER_02 36:33

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Dogs, too, dogs have their own animals have a language.

Recognizing The Savior Through The Messenger

SPEAKER_01 36:39

Yeah, they do. And the the the and the messenger teaches us that birds are very delicate creatures, and Jesus made a bird out of the out of clay and breathe life into that bird and said, Behold, and breathe life into a bird. So the bird is very important, script, uh, key scripturally. I don't we don't have time to go into that today, but right now I just want to ask this question.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Um so um, how should people recognize the savior if he has already arrived?

Where The World Is Headed And Prep

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Brother, that is an excellent question. That is the question of the day. The only way that we can recognize the savior and his work is by studying the one that he left amongst us, who said he is the second self of that person, he's the second self of Almighty God. He is described in the scripture and described in our supreme wisdom as being like the planet Mercury. The planet Mercury is so close to the sun that it all but gets lost in the light of the sun. That planet Mercury represents the last messenger. So knowing that last messenger is knowing God, the God who sent him. But ultimately, brother, it's only the best of us that are going to be understand this and accept this based on the teachings alone. Where we are now, we are in a time period when it is a problem that has been created, and that is black people in America who have been enslaved that has not to this day been solved. So the solver of that problem, the solver of that issue, that must in fact, he must make a demonstration. It's not teaching that's going to get our people. We had the best teacher for 44 years, and still all of our people didn't. He came for a whole nation. He didn't come for a half a million or 500,000. He came for a whole, he was raised for a whole nation. So now a demonstration of the power has to be made for the people to really accept what has been taught. And unfortunately, the messenger teaches us that that means bloodshed and plenty of it. And we're just seeing the begins of that bloodshed in the Middle East. Well, not the begins of it, we're seeing the continuance of it. It's been going on now since 1914. An internal war between the world powers. Europe will be turned, this will get so bad that Europe will be turned into a graveyard. And the only thing that's going to stop the whole planet from being engulfed in this war is the one who has that type of power to put a stop to the war. I urge everybody to watch that uh documentary, The Age of Disclosure, and the craft that they describe in this. It is a weapon that the scientists of this world have not seen, but are now admitting in fact does exist. If you see this weapon in real time, and we tell you, yeah, we've been telling you since 1930 who made this weapon, well, then yeah, that's the one we've been talking about. Oh, yeah, I see it now. But we're lucky, we we we have we have accepted it without seeing anything. All we did was accept the word, and that's why you got us talking about what the messenger wrote, his books, our savior has arrived. We're accepting just based on the word. But it's actually gonna be world events that brings the world to its needs, and you will see him coming in the clouds, having great power. But I would say the first thing is to learn his messenger, and that's his representative amongst us. You put him in his place, he put him to stand in his place amongst the people, and that's the honorable Elijah Muhammad.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

Okay, now with that said, where do you see humanity heading in the next 10, 20 years?

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Brother, I don't know if we have 10 years. I really don't. The honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that the time of this world of wicked was up in 1914. Okay, well, why is the Caucasian people still here ruling? Well, for two reasons. Number one, the prophecy of us being brought into slavery for 400 years that has to first be fulfilled. And that couldn't be fulfilled until 1955 because we were brought here in 1555. Well, why are all these different dates and times? Because the holy scientists of Islam are throwing curveballs at the Caucasian to keep him off balance. So they've actually thrown him off of the calendar. They really don't know what time frame it is, the Caucasian people. And not knowing the time, they may not be doing the right thing. Well, why is he still here? 1955 was back then. How can we still here? Well, the messenger also said that based on how he treats us, he could be giving 60 years of extension of time not to exceed 70 years. I don't think that's in our savior has arrived. I think that is in uh, I think that is in uh in the uh Theology of Time.

SPEAKER_03 41:53

Theology of time. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:55

60 years of time from 19 uh brings us to 2015. 70 years extension of time brings us to 2025. And that is when the fateful last move on the chessboard that drug America back into a fight that they've been having with Islam, which is the final Muslim power in the East, which is Iran. Israel dragged America, or really Israel's his little brother, dragged America right back into that war when hostilities had just ceased from Iraq and Afghanistan. Now the final Muslim power in that region is Iran. And that's when they drug America back into that conflict with Iran back last summer, 2025.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

So you're saying you don't know if we have 10 to 20 years?

SPEAKER_01 42:46

I don't know, brother. According to the messenger, 60 years extension of time not to exceed 70 years. We are in that extension of time, the end of that extension of time right now. So that's why the messenger taught us to fast. He taught us to store up food, he taught us to store up water, he taught us to store up medical supplies, uh first aid kits, everything that we need to last us at a minimum of 90 days.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

I just want to make this note about that. Hold on.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

And if you can get 90 days of food and supplies stored up, and then if you learn how to eat one meal a day, and if you learn how to eat every other day, then that 90 days becomes 180 days. You learn how to eat every three or four days, that 90 days becomes a whole year of food. And the messenger said in theology of time if you can last 90 days, we can get some food to you. But how you gonna do that? How are you gonna do that? How you I don't know, brother. I know what the message is. Some things we are called on as believers. Islam can be proven at what no limit of time. You got a time limit on it. We're not gonna prove everything right away. Some things you gotta have to be shown and proved. Well, I don't got time to do the whole mathematical proof for you right now. Time has to play out. And it's playing out. You and I, brother Ron, and our people, we have a ring-sized suit to it.

Why People Reject A Present Savior

SPEAKER_02 44:32

Got you. All right, now back to back to our savior has arrived. Now, what what other takeaways do you think that are important for people to really uh you know hone in on and zone in on or zone in on in the book?

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Uh I didn't really pull out any any specific things from the book, but as I was sharing with you, it gave me a background and understanding and helped me to understand my Christian upbringing more. We were taught of the second coming of Jesus, but we were taught it in a very spooky way that it would mean that another, that the same Jesus who died 2,000 years ago would be the Jesus that is coming back. Well, even the Jesus himself said that there are many things that I can share with you, but when he comes, the spirit of truth, he will guide you into all truth. He didn't say when I come back, I'm gonna guide you in your truth. He said when he comes. So we believe that that spirit of truth, the honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that that spirit of truth is Master Farad Muhammad, to whom praise due forever, under the title Son of Man, Savior, Jesus, Second Coming of Jesus, etc. That is who we believe that that spirit of truth to reveal all truths to is in the person of Master Farad Muhammad, to whom praise is due forever. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 45:52

Now you said uh you said in the beginning this wasn't a book first, right? Correct. It was recordings of his well, there are several things.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

There are there are comp there newspaper articles that were compiled that he written from newspaper columns. Uh one of the big chapters in Our Savior has arrived is uh Savior's Day 1969 transcript. Uh, I think also in there is the Washington, the Washington DC speech of 59. I think. Don't don't quote me. But they weren't originally, the messenger didn't sit down and say, all right, I'm gonna write a book. He was writing columns and newspaper articles. These were in the ear, the late 40s, early 50s, early throughout the 50s, throughout the 60s, and they were compiled in a book, both in Message to the Black Man, Our Savior Has Arrived, uh, uh Fall of America, How to Each of the Book One and Book Two. What was written as a book or a booklet were the Supreme Wisdom Volume Ones and Two. Those were originally compiled as booklets back at the time that they were published.

SPEAKER_02 47:01

Okay. And the same thing for Theology of Time, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:05

Now, Theology of Time was not published during the time that the messenger was amongst us. Theology of Time was later compiled and published as a book by Messenger Elijah Muhammad Propagation Society based on the art. He diligently uh transcribed the audios of Theology of Time and put those in a book format called the Theology of Time. Minister Nasir Hakim did that, and I think the first publishing was about early 2000s or late 1999. That was not published under the auspices of Messenger Elijah Muhammad. And that and it and you can literally pick up the book and read along as you're listening to the theology of time audio and see that he did a very good job in transcribing that to book form.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

Okay. Why do you think some people reject the idea that a savior has already arrived?

SPEAKER_01 47:58

Well, because of what we've been taught, we've been taught such a spooky idea of God. Number one, uh for 400 years of Christianity, it has been beaten into us that a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Jesus would make his return and we would see him up in the clouds coming, and it gives us a picture in our mind's eye of you know angels with wings and white robes and plucking harps with you know, fluttering around. We don't see it as a real happening, we see it as something weird or spooky, but manually we see it as something white or Caucasian. Oh, yeah, for sure. And for us to now be be told by a black man, no, it's not quite the what you've been taught. It is going to be real, but this one who's going to return or come, he has to be born. He's not going to just jump out of the grave or jump down out of the sky after suffering mortal wounds in his side 2,000 years ago. And he even gives us a true compilation of the true history of that Jesus. And this was a booklet that was compiled by uh this was compiled by the Coalition for the Remembrance of Elijah, and it's called The True History of Jesus, where the messenger goes into a lot more of the story of Jesus, not the story, but the history of Jesus that was not shared in the Bible Kwan, mainly between the relationship between Mary and Joseph, and how Mary and Joseph were childhood sweethearts, but Joseph married another woman and had six children by her. That's why in the Bible they say to Jesus, Master, your mother and your father, your mother and your brother are outside the temple. And he said, Well, wait a minute, boy. So God had more than one baby with Mary? No. Joseph had children with another woman. But he, according to the messenger, he had children by Mary when the father was away and Joseph tended over her because she was afraid to stay by herself while her father was away. So Joseph came up with the idea that I'll put on a beard. You were gonna wear this beard to disguise yourself and act like that was your father to scare away the robbers and keep other men coming away. I'll wear that beard and I'll act like the old man and put on his old garments so that the robbers will think that it's me, will think that it's your daddy. So he stayed with Mary under that auspices. And the messenger teaches us that that wearing of the disguise or wearing of the goat's beard, that is a prophecy of the savior coming in the last days with a disguise on. And that disguise would be coming in sinful flesh to condemn sin in the flesh, looking like a white man, but not being a white man, but also looking somewhat like some of our people as well. And then both people could just say, Oh, come on in, and it's no problem.

Reading The Books And The Mother Plane

SPEAKER_02 50:57

Check, check, check. All right, so now um also as far as uh saving as look, let's say if I'm a new believer, right? You know, uh, and you know, uh I got my ex, you know, I quoted my student in Rome and I quoted my actual fact. Besides all the other material that I would have to memorize, would what in what order would you put the uh Elijah Muhammad's books? Would you go message to the black man first, our savia has arrived second, and then so on and so on?

SPEAKER_01 51:36

I wouldn't really put any particular order to them uh that you have to study them in. Me personally, I read message to the black man first. I believe I read Our Savior Has Arrived and How to Into Live Book One Second, but there was no particular reason that I did it in that order. I just those were the ones that were available to me. Uh I would say read them in the order that you that interests you the most. That you want the most. I will tell you this. What however you read them, and however many times you read them, each time you read them, it's like you're reading a different book.

SPEAKER_02 52:16

Right? Because you have a whole new other understanding now.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

And not only that, you have events taking place that shed light on what you're reading. And so you'd be like, wait a minute, I'll I'll remember that being in here. Well, it was always there, you just never noticed it because now time is making you notice what's in there and it's relating to something that's going on right now. So there is no right or wrong. Uh I can't right now off the top of my head. Uh I can't write now off the top of my head. Okay. You have to experience it for yourself. You you will say, well, oh, you know, if you read Messenger the Batman this year, then you read it six months from now, you read again. Like, well, I that's right.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

No, no, no. I mean like with whatever's going on right now, the events that are going on in the world right now, and how they connect with our savior has arrived.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

Well, um one of the things the message mentions is that you would see him coming in, you will see him coming in the clouds having great power. So I didn't understand it at the time that I read it, what that would mean. But later on, when I learned of the teachings of our, excuse me, of our mother of planes, it made sense to me what it was talking about.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

Okay, let me explain a mother of planes, real quick.

SPEAKER_01 53:41

Oh wow. This is a human-built craft, half a mile by half a mile, that the white man has been calling a UFO since the 1950s. It was a it is a human-built planet. It was built on the island of Nippon or Japan in 1929. It took off in 1929. This is the weapon that Ezekiel saw in his vision in the Bible of a wheel within a wheel, and in it are 1,500 baby planes or bombing planes, each carrying three weapons. The Caucasian has seen this weapon. He has seen it, it has appeared in front of military installations all over the world. They have seen it in the Middle East, and there's a documentary called The Age of Disclosure, where you got the Secretary of State, Secretary of the Department of War, uh, military officials, trained pilots who are saying this craft is real. We've seen it. Age of disclosure, I believe it is on uh it is on Amazon Prime.

SPEAKER_02 54:37

Age of disclosure on Amazon Prime.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

So that gives further illumination to me for saying you will see him coming in the clouds having great power. That gives further illumination to me that our savior has arrived. This man has to be destroyed. He can't be reasoned with, he can't be bargained with. Remember the Terminator, brother? He won't stop. You can't reason with it. You can't bargain with it. You can't, you darn sure can't trust it. He has to be destroyed. Well, with his military weaponry, how are we gonna destroy him with a pop gun that we bought from him? No, a weapon has to be created that can destroy and when you see age of disclosure, you will see the seriousness that the Caucasian people are taking in looking at this weapon of destruction that the messenger teaches us of. And it is our savior who constructed this. Now, I don't mean to construct that's like me saying Elon Musk constructed the the whatever that rocket he constructed. He didn't build it himself by himself. He was the author of the plans, he was the project leader, and it was built by scientists from black, brown, red, and yellow around the planet. They didn't know what they were working on. Just like the people who built Elon Musk's rocket, they didn't know what they were working on as they were building it. It was simultaneously parks were being built, and then there was a final assembly was only known by a small circle of individuals of what it was. So it was with our mother of claims.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

On that note, brother, uh, we are out of time. I got a brother. Yes, sir. Uh brother Eric Muhammad is coming on next.

SPEAKER_01 56:33

Um, hey everybody, tune in from Minister Eric Mohammed. We're up to 5,639 on my channel. I think your channel's up as well. Thank you, brother Ron. Oh, sorry, didn't mean to cut cut short short your output.

SPEAKER_02 56:46

It's all good, it's all good. Thank you for coming out this evening. I really appreciate you. Glad to have you back on. Glad to be here. I haven't really been on in a while, been focusing on my own mind and body. Uh, but I'm back, I'm here every every every Sunday every other Sunday, Mondays, and Wednesdays. And then we got the brother Mike on his own schedule. Our Savia has arrived.

SPEAKER_01 57:08

We'll do some more of this because I like this.

SPEAKER_02 57:11

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure. Let's let's keep this. Our Saviour has arrived uh again. Let's do a part two of this. We keep building on this one right here. Uh if uh we're on YouTube, Kevin Ali YouTube, that's his YouTube. Do the knowledge to YouTube. Go click that button, like uh, like, comment, share, subscribe on his page, and do the same thing on my page.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

And we are out of here. 218-673-1517. Find all about yourself. We got some business for you, too. Thank you, brother Ron. We appreciate it. Welcome to the fold, soldier.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

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