Moor Does Not Mean Black - Cozmo El

Moor does not mean black and that single sentence opens a much bigger door into language, history, and power. We sit down with Cosmo L Islam to trace how the word “Moor” gets flattened into a color label, then rebuild the meaning using etymology, semantics, and the way older writing systems actually work. If you’ve ever heard someone cite a quick dictionary line as “proof,” we slow it down and separate what a word is defined as from what it later becomes associated with. 

We follow the term across languages and empires, moving from English back through Greek and Roman usage and into older sources connected to ancient Kemet and the transmission of script through Phoenician traditions. Along the way we dig into the MR root and why abjad-style languages treat consonants as carriers of meaning, with later vowel additions for readability. The conversation also touches Moorish identity in public records, the history of labels like blackamoor and negro, and why projecting “black” into ancient identity can distort both scholarship and self-understanding. 

Then we bring it into the present: names are not just vibes, they can function like civic categories. We talk about how identity terms shape political status, social treatment, and community strategy, and why “nationality” only matters when it is paired with real nation building, self governance, and standards of character. If you care about Moorish history, the Moorish Empire, identity politics, or the legal and cultural weight of labels, you’ll leave with new questions and a clearer framework. 

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_02 0:11

What's going on?

SPEAKER_00 0:14

What's going on, everybody out there? It's Rob Brown LMT. The People's Fitness Professional aka Soul Brother Number One Reporter for Duty. Peace to everybody out there for uh tuning in, viewing the video. We got the brother Cosmo LGS, or should I say NGS Cosmo L Islam Islam. Good to see my brother. We met in the physical not too long ago. What was that, like two weeks ago?

SPEAKER_01 0:47

Uh yeah, about maybe three weeks ago, well, out there in New York at uh Nicholas Brooklyn.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Yes, sir, yes, sir. Yeah, man. It was uh tall brother, tall brother, tall brother, tall brother. Uh and and and real cool. I you know what? Uh at the um what was that, the banquet? That wasn't a banquet. At the gala, I was looking at pictures, I didn't realize how smooth and sharp that suit was you had on.

Off Grid Life During Hawaii Storms

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Praise Allah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

So I said you must look your best, you know. For sure, for sure. Uh, how you doing this evening? You're okay today?

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Yeah, well, all is well. It's still noon here, you know, but um, like I told you earlier, some uh pretty severe weather happening around the other islands uh over on the Oahu, they're gonna need a lot of help. Uh, but we're on the big island, and uh, you know, we're up in the mountains, so the flooding and things like that doesn't really hurt us, you know. We have our own power. So when the power goes out, like it went out for many, many people, we still have power, our water is sufficient, so it just shows the uh benefit of living what most people call off-grid. I call tapped in, and uh, you know, it makes uh even the catastrophic events less catastrophic.

Why Moor Does Not Mean Black

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Indeed, indeed. So I'm glad you're safe. Um, we're gonna go into the topic. The word more does not mean black. The reason why I wanted to do this podcast is because you know, when people want to uh validate their reasoning for calling themselves black while they're talking to Moors, they would then go, well, doesn't more be mean black? So I want you to break it down to explain to brothers and sisters how more does not mean black, being that you wrote a book on it. You wrote a book on it, and you had it at the uh book signing. I know it was uh it was a black and white book. I don't know if you have that on hand right now.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Uh no, I don't have the book, but I got the information up here.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Indeed, indeed. So now um more means black. I want to set it off with that, right? Um, if you can give me definitions or you know, definitions of what you know of what the more word more means, that'll that'll be great to open up the show with that.

Synonym Versus Definition In Dictionaries

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Yes, well, I think uh a lot of people get this definition more being black from from two sources. Uh one is hearing people say it and they repeat it, all right, without researching it for themselves. And then uh the other is uh the uh uh minor research where you look into the word and you'll see that it it never never really says it means black, but it says it's synonymous with black, which within itself is a big difference. Um and so you know it's it's it's a pretty heavy discussion because it deals with entomology, it deals with semantics, and it deals with morphology. Um, it's important to understand that when Moorish Americans use the word more, we're referring to the definition that would have applied to us uh before our names were changed to Negro, black, colored, so on and so forth. So when you look in the modern day dictionaries, they'll tell you um more natives of uh if if you get a good one, the the the most recent ones will just say more is the Arab, Berber, mixed Muslim population. All right, that's 1920 definition, right? You get a little bit further back in other dictionaries, you'll get uh the the any of the dark-skinned peoples of North Africa and primarily Mauritania, and they'll trace it back to as far as the Romans, and so most people get this definition all right, natives of Mauritania, uh, because they were dark-skinned, synonymous with dark skin, and then later on you get the Arab Berber mix, and that's pretty as much as far as they go. Um, so that's that is how people come about this, and then people who want to argue against Moors will look at the definition and say, hey, it goes. This is what the Romans used to call Moors, was Mar. The ancient word was Mar, from which evolved into the English more. Um, let me know if the rain gets gets too heavy because it's gonna come and down. See if he can get through this. Uh so uh what I did was I went a little bit further. Well, where did the Romans get it from?

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

You find out that the Romans got it from the Greeks. And you say, Well, where did the Greeks get it from? And you find out when you when you do etymology across languages, because English can only take you back as far as English, when they adopted it and uh how they used it. So when you look back and see who the Greeks got it from, you'll see it goes back to the ancient Moabite or what they call Phoenicians, and then when you say, Well, where did the Phoenicians get it from? You see, it goes all the way back to Egypt. And so I wrote the book Murder More Kimmed until now to deal with not only the etymology, but the semantics, the morphology, and the phonology of the word to show what its original meaning was and how it was originally adopted into the Greek and into the Roman from the native word, and then it became way later down the uh way synonymous with black, because this is what they were now, black is what they were now calling the Moorish population. But it never meant black from the very beginning, and it still doesn't mean black today. And I illustrated that with the book Black or more, because if more meant black, then why would you need the phrase black or more, which was used up until the 1700s to describe us on the way to just being black? Because black or more would be redundant, it would be black or black, so there would be no need for the black in front of black or more if more within itself meant black. So let's just uh round about. I can go into what the ancient meanings were and how it was adopted a little bit more, if uh if you wish.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

Yeah, I want to take it back. So you said that you know the Greeks adopted it from Egypt.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

Say what now the Greeks got it from Egypt? Yes, yeah, all right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

And then where did the Egyptians get it from?

Etymology Trail From Egypt To Rome

SPEAKER_01 8:22

So ultimately they got it from the Greeks by way of the so-called Phoenicians or the ancient Moabite or what people biblically know as Canaanite. Now, most people um consider uh Canaanite, I would maybe if they're not if they haven't studied it, and uh the European classifies as Semitic, right? But we have to understand that Canaan was one of Ham's son. So how did it go from how did it go from Hemetic language to being Canaanite, which was uh Canaan, uh Canaan was Ham's son, all of a sudden being Semitic? So the truth is there really is no Semitic. Uh Canaanite is a dialect of Hemetic, and so this Canaanite slash Phoenician slash Moabite, they got it from Egypt because they were the ones responsible for transferring the hieroglyphics into an actual script, and then this script and this language is basically adopted by the Greeks, then the Romans, and then into Latin, and then from Latin into French, English, and Italian, and all the other Latin-based languages that have various uh derivatives of more uh from the original Marus from the Greek, which the Phoenicians had a word called uh Maher or Maharin. And so it originally referred to those people in the West, and west of the so-called Canaanite uh empire would have been North Africa, Northwest, Southwest Africa. So um, but but it's important to understand that they didn't invent the word, that they adopted it from Egypt, and as far as I can see, uh the it was developed in ancient Egypt and ancient Kemet. Uh, it doesn't appear that they got it from anywhere, but uh it is still shared with all the Abjad-based languages. We you have to understand from ancient Kemet comes ancient Hebrew, Arabic, uh, Coptic, Armenian, all of these languages. So when you're dealing with ancient Kemet, you're not just dealing with it going into the so-called Phoenician or into the Greek, you're dealing with it going into all of those languages, all of those Abjad Eastern-based languages are all developing this word more. So uh in Hebrew you'll get uh Maher, um uh, or you'll get uh Mar, uh, which means uh teacher, um, or in uh Arabic you'll get Amir, which comes from the the original Murr, which means ruler, which is real close to the original meaning, and make uh custodian or keeper, um, and also governor, uh, this Murr, or if you even break it down further, the MR. So it was a title, it was used in Egypt as a title, and uh it became cognate, which uh uh means associated by uh derivation into all of these other languages. So where it may not actually mean governor or keeper custodian, by the time it gets to one language, it it means westerner, and uh and also a major meaning of it is beloved, the loved people. And uh that ties in with Tamaray or Tamori, uh original name of the uh Nile Delta, the people of the Nile Delta was famous around the same time as Kemet, um, came into being around the same time, wasn't as favorite as much, but it translates into the land of the people of the Nile or the land of the beloved, the loved people. So there's that loud ring. So um, if you can still hear me, I'll keep going.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

So Moors were the beloved people, and this also became a title of governor as well. It became adopted into the other language. So I'm gonna pause for a second. Hopefully, the I don't know if you all can hear it. It's loud here. Is it loud where you're at?

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Uh, I can hear you clearly. No, I can I can hear you clearly. So so as you as you said, you said that uh tamore, the people of the now delta, right? Tamori. So you said people of the now delta tamori, right? So so did the word more come from that word, tamori?

SPEAKER_01 13:22

No, the word tamore or tamori comes from the previous word mur or mr, which there then become variations murr, mar, mari, murri, but it all comes from the MR, which means to be beloved, and then there's also another uh connotation uh to the word more, which means governor and ruler, as well. So both of these were used and they became title as the real second. I don't know if you can hear me.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Yeah, I can hear you.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

So hold on, hold on now, let the rank back.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Uh we're having uh uh we're having some difficulties because the brother is raining out there in Hawaii. It's it's it's it's it's uh it's a lot of rain out there, bad weather right now. Hotel uh temple amun. Where are you from, Amun? Where you from, brother? All right, okay. So we were we were uh you said MR. Okay, now when I think of MR, right? The way it's put together. Hold on. Uh uh boy uh a Ben is in the building. That's what you get when you face me, Rain, man, and the basketball player. Uh man, what's up, uh Ben? Uh, this is brother. Oh, oh, oh, yeah, okay, okay, okay, Al Shadi, our Shahid Day from uh Ancient Free Moorish, right? Right, right. What's up, brother? What's up, brother? How you doing, man? Florida in the building. Uh, and he's in North Carolina. Peace to you. Now, um, back to uh MR. When you think about MR and the way that's written, I'm what that takes me back into the thought of uh uh the metal netter and and the way the words are written in the metal netter.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

All right, it looks like it's uh dying down a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Yeah. Did you hear me? I can hear you. So what I was saying is that the MR, the way you said, you know, things kind of naturally progressed, the language or the word, uh it reminds me of uh the way things are written in in the metal neta or the comedic languages or language, right? The way the characters are written and things like that. So does that have any connection to it?

MR Root And Abjad Language Logic

SPEAKER_01 16:28

Yes, basically, um again, uh the hieroglyphs were primarily consonants. You did have some uh word uh letters that function as vowels as well, but it's in languages known as an abjad, which means it's it's the way it's arranged. All the way down. So it being an abjad language, it's a language of mainly consonants, and so from each and each consonant, each letter has an intrinsic meaning connected to it, because the hieroglyph had a picture like a sun, but it had an inner meaning too. The sun might be God or the sun might be the inner light. So each letter that was developed from the hieroglyphic or from the metal netter adopted that inner meaning as well. So you could have a word just with the consonants and know the meaning if you were aware of the inner meaning. However, um, not everybody was educated in this inner meaning, and as it became a script, it became necessary to uh cause um uh create derivatives, putting the sound a, for example, in this uh context, putting the sound e, for example, in this context or or I, so that ones who did not know have the inner meaning of these letters could have a better understanding, basically a more cognitive um uh understanding of the language. And so uh when you look at the M and the R, as I was explaining at the book signing, their letters, they have a name, but they also mean something, and they're also put together, they mean something. And I use the example like we know water is spelled W-A-T-E-R, at least in English. But if I were to come to you and say H2O, if you're familiar with the science, you already know H is two hydrogen out atoms and oxygen uh or um H2O or two oxygen atoms, whichever one it is. See H, yeah, hydrogen and then two O. So you would know that that is water, right? Um, even though it's not saying water, but just by virtue of seeing the symbols, you understand that it means water if you know that science. So just the letters themselves have a inner meaning. Um, and uh, but when you put them together in variations, they take on different uh connotations, but they all go back to the same root. Uh so so, for example, you have Myr as beloved being a title used for many of the the deities to Amin Ra, uh to um you know, many of the to Ra, Amin Ra, Horus, um, all the Isis, all the major uh what they call deities and Kimek had the title Myrrh in front of them as the beloved, and um even Mary, for example, uh who bore Jesus, her name Mary means beloved because it comes from ancient Egypt. That's how he was the love made manifest. So uh again, between love and governor and keeper of knowledge were the ones that applied to people. There are other murs that apply to the pyramids and apply to water and apply to other things. I'm dealing with specifically the ones that applied to people, and so uh this is corroborated in um by George G. M. James in his book Stolen Legacy, uh, about the Moors inheriting the Egyptian science, and also by Yosef Ben Yakina, when he says that we were calling ourselves Moors, um, and that the European dotted from us.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Well, what book is that? Huh? What book, what book is that? Because for my pan-Africanists out there and my pro-black people out there, and my uh uh uh uh yeah, etc. Yeah, we need that. We need that. We need to memorize this part of that book right there.

Sources And The Problem With Black

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Well, I have the book Stolen Legacy by George G. M. James articulates that the Moors were the inheritors of the Egyptian mystery system and that they spread it throughout uh Spain and Asia Minor and other places. The Moors weren't the only ones, uh, but they they were. And so when you uh when you look at the word Moore or Myrrh, it means custodian or keeper of of a particular thing, in this case, knowledge. So stolen legacy. Uh however, I don't have a book with Yosef Vinyakan uh speaking on it, but I do have a video that's posted on my Instagram and on my Facebook that I can send you where it's a clip of him giving the speech. And he actually said we were calling ourselves Moors. And it's in various books. Um, the problem comes in when uh writers began to project the word black. As identifying a people into ancient history books, and uh as opposed to more genuine terms, like more, so that if I were to read a book on Egypt, I would think that Egyptians were black. There was no such thing as black as far as identity, there was a spiritual class of black, red, white, and uh there was a social cast of it where the white were the uh service providers, the red were the uh was the military, uh the black were the um priests often. Um uh and so the white uh as well was often priests. So um, but as far as identifying as people, uh it was always by nationality and tribe, and the last great empire that rose after ancient Egypt and Maya and all of these great empires was the Moorish Empire. A lot of people don't understand that. That George Jim James uh installed a legacy let you know that um the uh Egyptian uh ancient Egyptian uh mystery schools and the Greek schools were finally closed in the uh uh sixth century by Justinian, uh Emperor Justinian and Theodosius. And it was the Moors who rose in 700 AD and according to George C. M. James, carried ancient Egyptian culture and uh which was knowledge, wisdom, the Sophia, and brought it into uh Spain and the rest of the world. Um, he says that it was the Moors responsible that and they ruled from 711 to 1492. So the fall of Egypt was literally only one, maybe 200 years before the Moors rose up. They make you think that Egypt fell back in 2000 BC or something like that. So it was a natural progression uh into the uh preserving of the ancient science and it being resurrected and then the Moors being that great kingdom for another uh seven, eight hundred years. Most people don't know about that history. Uh uh if you do learn it in black history, so-called black history, you learn it as somebody separate from yourself. And so when it comes to using the term Moore, they feel that uh it is something foreign. Uh they feel that uh they would have been taught about it if it was true, you know. But you have to realize uh if you look at what Nobu Juwali brought and the history that he brought and who he was himself, at that time, uh we're taught about everybody but him, and the only people that taught about him was the Moore Science Temple of America. Now you have people that speak on him, but nobody was teaching about Nobu Juwali but the Moors. And uh, you know, now you you can't get away from it with social media, but it's something that they kept from us systematically, and we really need to regain this knowledge of ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Got you now. Um as you said, uh brother uh Dr. Ben said in his book that we called ourselves Moors. So what do you say to brothers and sisters who say the European gave you the name Moore? Is are there any historical uh um facts that you can debunk that to use to debunk that?

The Moorish Empire And Hidden History

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Um, I mean, just historically, uh again, the word more is merely a uh a word brought into English, meaning that they didn't invent the word more. It was brought into the language as more, which means that it's not an English word. It's just brought into the English language as more. But it is for sure uh historically that we use terms like marr, myrrh, uh Mari, um, Murray, uh, and and various uh uh ways to say more throughout hundreds of cultures from north-south of Central America all the way to Southeast Asia. There's this uh word myrrh, more, Mari, which is pronounced in English as more, being referred to uh uh people uh you having that as their ancient identity. For example, uh in the Philippines, so-called Philippines, before it was named King Philip, it was named uh it was the Moro Islands. People know Moro is just more in Latin. But the people use this term. In fact, Bang's Moro Island, uh, which is connected uh with uh the Philippines over there, they uh got their independence maybe 10, 12 years ago uh to be independent under the Mori name. If you go to Mindanao, there's a whole community of Moros over there that uh got their independence under and and function as Moros. You have uh various uh nations in Africa, like the uh, say, for example, the Comoros, you know, uh there's more on there, Mauritania, uh Morocco, which gets its name from Mar as well. Um, are these are all all old, even if you look at America. Uh someone had asked me on your show um where America had had got the name, and at that time I couldn't recall, but there's a group of natives in Guatemala who used the term America long before uh the so-called European uh came here, and it's a native term. We know the European doesn't uh create, he usually adopts things, and so um they create their apocryphal tales of how things came about, but you can look and you can find it in the culture, and uh uh so this term uh Amorica had had been here, you'll find uh plenty of um derivatives of more uh and more here that are native and all around the world. So um it's uh it's just so much rich history connected with uh the word. Even when you look into uh in the Indian, the first land uh that was supposed to be created and the first people come from Mount Meru, you know, um, and they were the the Moro people. So uh this term you're gonna find it in um ancient uh uh histories all around the world. Yeah, if you in Japan, it's gonna be uh uh Moriagi or Mamoto. Uh if you're in uh India, it's gonna be the Mahars. The Mahars are the original people there uh who say that they were conquered by the uh Aryans when they came through. They were the Maher people, and and the Maher people are said to be the original. Well, well, this Maher word is exactly the same word that the ancient Moabites use, Maharin, which comes into Hebrew as Maher, which is uh so it's all connected with this this anchor ancient language, which is why Nobu Juali says that Moors were the first people, because it goes back that uh far. And again, I just gave you an example of Mount Maru, the people, uh the original people and the original piece of land that was supposed to be created, uh, being Mount Meru. So uh you'll find it again, so many different variations, but it it needs to be understood that uh more is not an English word, it's an English word that uh it's a it's a foreign word that have come into English, just like Quran, right? Quran is an Arabic word, it doesn't originate in English, but we say Quran or Quran, but we know that it's referring to the Quran. So it's not right to say that more is an English word when it doesn't have its origin uh in English. It just so happened that English is a lingua franca, just like Arabic, which enables it to bring in foreign words. Uh, and I'll give one last example for like in in uh Arabic, the way that the the language instruction and it being a lingua franca was able to bring the word cigarette. Cigarette didn't exist back then, but now it's cigarette and Arabic. It exists in Arabic, but it didn't come from Arabic, and more is the uh uh same way. It exists in English, it's an adaptation, but it didn't originate uh from the English or the Romans or the Greeks for that matter.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

Okay, check, check, check. Okay, so if you can give me a timeline, right? If you can remember, um it went from timeline and uh uh location. So it went from uh let's say it started with the uh the ancient Egyptians, right? Greeks got it. Okay. Uh then where did it go from there?

Did Europe Invent The Name Moor

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Well, uh from there, you have to the Roman Empire is about uh 700 uh BC. Uh so when when the uh script comes about, the ancient Phoenician script that the Greeks got it from was probably somewhere about maybe, let's see, Jesus was said to speak Aramaic, and that was over 2,000 years ago. So I would say about three, three, maybe four thousand years ago, this word came into the ancient Phoenician from that uh spin-off Arabic, Armenian, Coptic, Hebrew, uh, ancient Moabites, so on and so forth, to the point uh that you have Aramaic being spoken by the time of Jesus about 2,000 years ago. So the Romans uh got it um around that it would have to have been after the 700s because they're just now coming into uh uh the Roman Empire being founded. And so now they're um looking at the Moors of North Africa and Northwest Africa, and their native name, the native name was Mar. Uh, you'll see it M-A-U-R, and so the Romans used the native name, but they adopted it. Uh they didn't bring it into um there were other connotations to the meaning, because the Europeans were a pale-skinned nation. And so at that time, Mar, which was this ancient word which meant West, which meant uh Westerners, West of this particular kingdom, but also meant the beloved people, um, they began to use the term. And because the European is um race conscious and because they're pale and they were dark, it began to be associated with dark-skinned people. So this is where you get the word being cognate, meaning associated with dark, but not meaning dark. There's a big difference. And when you look it up, they'll say, Oh, it was cognate, but uh may have came from the native name. They know it came from the native name, but it became cognate because uh now the European says, and and beyond that, he said, Oh, Moors are dark people, right? And now, um, due to anthropomorphosi and everything, you know, uh uh and and making it self-centered to themselves, well, now they take the spiritual concept of light meaning good and dark meaning bad, and start using it to demonize the Moors so that they can gain ground over them. Um, but again, it becomes associated. So, and we also have to understand that Latin is a borrow, the Latin script itself and language is a borrow from Greek, and Greek is a borrow from the ancient Moabite Phoenician script. And the Phoenician, ancient Phoenician script was created what can't what they call Canaanite is created from hieroglyphics. So even to this day, the English letters still carry the same obja structure, they still carry the same intrinsic meaning that they teach in the Freemasonic lodges and uh Kabulism and other occult sciences. Um, it still has the same phonics. And so, um, you know, I I go as far as to say that it's our language because we're the only one really creating new words, and that's what it's designed for. It's it's the lingua franca and a mercantile language. And so uh we're still creating words. You you very rarely do you see Europeans adding words to the lexicon. They're either words that are coming in from other foreign sources, like a good lingua franca would do, but then you'll see more creating the language with uh what they call slang.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

All right, that's what's up, dropping bombs today. Hey uh, brother uh Douglas uh Lattimore, thank you for the$10. I really appreciate you. I forgot to even ask about that or talk about that super chat and all that stuff. We definitely need uh your help for sure. Uh it takes finance to keep this thing going. Um, and and you know, we're doing everything out of pocket. So um thank you for that. We appreciate the$10. He has a question. Hold on. Uh, is there any proof that the indigenous Americans used or were called Moors or its derivatives?

How Moor Became Linked To Skin

SPEAKER_01 36:09

Uh yes, um, I just I just gave one example of I'm Amorica being used in uh Guatemala. Uh and um so that's that's one uh uh derivative right there. And the people that are uh from the land are also associated with that that word more. Um in the Western, you had the derivative of uh Moore, and um which is the M U R R. Um, and you can uh look this up. There's a lot of information that came out about uh this derivative from the um the Washitao Queen uh Veradecy Gatsanel Bay. Tons of information there uh about the uh moors on on these shores. However, it's also important to um note that many of the Moors that were here came from ancient migrations and uh also later migrations during the Moslem period. Uh now if you one historical example that I can give you, and this is also in the Delaware Code. Uh if you look up the Delaware code and you look up the uh Moors from Delaware, you'll see that there are groups known as actual Moors. In fact, the Lenape changed their name uh to Lenape, but the Delaware code lets you know that they were previously known as Moors. They had an M instead of a B to identify themselves on their licenses. They had um uh schools specifically for Moors, they were considered neither black nor white, and they were really uh uh adamant about preserving uh their culture. And to this day, if you look in the CDC uh hierarchical code and unique identifier of the various tribes, you'll find under 1237-7 uh more right there under Nantique. Uh, I believe it's under Nantique or um or Nancy Man tribe, one of those. So uh another word uh for more was um the they used had the word saga more for the Lenape, which is a corruption of Sachumu. And in fact, uh they had a the first peace and friendship treaty in 1682 with um St. Tammany or Tammanin and uh William Penn, uh the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which led the Europeans uh establishing Pennsylvania, and you'll see from there comes the Continental Congress as Pennsylvania is the cradle of American civilization. So more are recorded here upon these shores. Uh and uh, you know, just look it up. I've given you the information, it's right there.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

All right, check, check, check. Hope you got that, uh, brother Douglas Lattimore. Peace to you. Thank you for the$10 again. Now, um, so what I was trying to do is go down a timeline and uh a natural, like what was the progression? Um, now what the prophet himself said uh these are the names or the tack, I forgot exactly the quote, but these are the names given to us in what date was that again?

SPEAKER_01 39:47

1779, up until 1865, during the time of slavery. In other places in the circle seven, it says uh 1774.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

Um, this because okay, real quick. So before 1774, we were called Moors.

Indigenous Moors Claims And Records

SPEAKER_01 40:07

Yes, so before 1774, we went by Moors, and there was another term that had been uh the European had now come up with, as we discussed earlier, black a more, and another term was tawny more. Because the European, when he comes through, he you know divides everything into light and the dark. And so the first part of this genocide was all right, well, these people up here is calling themselves Moors in North Africa, and these people down here in Southwest Africa calling themselves Moors and in the Sahara. So we're gonna call them black amoors, and we're gonna call these ones up here because they're a little lighter, tanny moors. So they try to divide the Moors based on colors. So now you had the term black amore, and then you had the word tanny more. The tan moors were um obviously in the European uh caste uh system, they were gonna have a little more privileges than the blackamore. So uh up until the 1700s, you had this term blackamore being connected with elegance in Europe because uh Moors had were founders in Europe where where Europeans had a bunch of derivatives of Moorish names. You can find these names in these crests and uh Nature Knows No Color Line by J. Rogers. But then you also had those who had begun to now uh start fighting and killing the Moors and taking over Moorish kingdoms, uh, like places like uh uh maybe uh Spain and Corsica and places like that, where you'll see Moorheads, and this is something else ones can look up a Moorhead, which is a figure of just a Moore's head on a crest. Sometimes it meant honor European families tracing themselves, and so they would honor their family by putting a moorhead on their crest, and and these were also considered black amores, but then where they were fighting and killing Moors, it represented the conquering. You can tell the difference because when you see the Moorhead, it's usually some red at the bottom, as if they had were bleeding from having their head cut off. So blackamore begins to be the main word that is used, and it's not all good and it's not all bad, it's connected with elegance and uh royalty, like I said. But by the time 1779 for 1779, the European had adopted the um La Costa caste system and the Code Niur laws and began to label Moors according to the caste of white, black, uh, or negro, uh quadrune, octaquadrun, sambo, mestizo, so on and so forth. So now the European was saying, well, if you're if you're dark, then you fit in as black, and we're just gonna, which was negro, right? But they just adopted in in English, black, same thing as negro. But where did Negro come from? Negro was the name that was given to the Moors in Spain that had been fully Christianized into Christianity. First they were Moors, then they went to Moriscos, and now they're just negro. So even in that term, negro is letting you know who these people were prior to them being labeled negro.

1774 To 1865 Labels Replace Moor

SPEAKER_00 43:30

Okay, so there's there's a progression there. What what date do you remember if you can recall the date uh black amore came became popular? I mean, well, uh Abdullah and uh the brother Yasrael, they they uh uh did a lecture on this probably uh I don't even know, like six months ago. And they they gave the whole timeline. I just don't remember exactly, but yeah.

Why Identity Shapes Law And Life

Nationality Versus Nation Building Work

Books Links And Closing Remarks

SPEAKER_01 43:56

I mean you you you you have uh the Moors the Moors began falling in quote unquote 1492 so it's going to start after that in Spain it was they they weren't using black and more they were using morisco moriscos were Moorish Moslems who were of many complexions primarily dark and then the Morano right the Morano were Moorish Jews. Both of these were hiding the fact that they were they everyone knew they were Moors so there was Moriscos and Morano. And so now the the Jews were hiding their faith and the Moslems were hiding their faith and they were known as Moriscos and Moranos, Christianized Moors and Christianized Jews. But by the time the Moors were expelled in the 1500s and they began to be fully Christianized they started calling them all negro and when the first negroes came into the Americas in 1619 at Jamestown. So that's when you start having uh that's when the European says the first Negroes arrived and from there they just began to customarily throughout the United States each state had their own name and their own structure but it was codified uh after the European got their independence after 1776 and they were unified as a nation now this name Negro black colored all these terms began to be more codified and they removed more from the records because they didn't want anyone to know their history not only connected with their Moorish lineage but they're being connected to Islam which they seen as the primary enemy uh after the crusades so uh and now in England you're having this term black amor being used uh primarily between the say maybe 140 and 1600s uh referring and then and then black begins to replace that uh slowly but when you if you visit europe and you go all around you're gonna see or Germany or various European places you're gonna see words like uh merr myrrh muir marr more all over the place with with uh so-called black faces because this is what Moors were known at as you know even if you look uh even in the play uh uh Othello famous play uh what written by Shakespeare you you see them they're talking about the Moore and the Moor was considered uh you know bad at that time due to the crusades but uh this was not something that was was challenged uh by Moore's hey I'm not this I'm not that it was this is just what it was like like Yosef Binyakinov said we were calling ourselves Moors all right check so you you broke down the history the timeline let's let's get a bomb for you right there thank you brother Cosmo so now how do we how do we bring people to the realization uh uh of the fact that the word or the nationality or the um the word to describe us is more and how important it is and uh especially in a world where black and being black and proud has been the anthem you know for so long and it's like uh you know they reject the Moorish teachings because of that you know what I mean without having a full understanding of what the prophet brought and what the teachings really are well I think the the most prominent uh propagators of so of black power they know uh about being Moors they they know that they're Moors in fact uh Dr. Khaleb Muhammad people forget he was a doctor PhD Dr. Khaleb Muhammad he professed after leaving the nation of Islam that he was a Moor and that he knew he was a Moore and couldn't nobody convince him he wasn't a Moor um so it it was it's not about ones knowing that we're Moors uh him and many uh under him and in many and other organizations understand the importance of more where it applies uh politically socially and economically and are getting themselves together while still using the apparatus of black and black power and other things to organize people in the uh programs that that they are using so you have many people that belong to different organizations that are professed more and know uh who they are they're just using different uh platforms to organize people in uh uh productive and and positive ways uh I think that the importance of getting the masses of people the masses of our people to understand their identity and how it applies socially politically and economically is what is uh necessary for the movement to become a greater movement uh but uh though there are people who um who are getting what what they're gonna get out of it you know um but in a nutshell the importance of it is us returning to number one the ways of our amp our forefathers our ancestral words our ancestral terms and understanding that black specifically negro and colored they mean something beyond what they mean to us in our private time all right we even use the word nigga naga all different types of things to mean stuff in our private time but social politically and in the public when you use this term black and negro and colored it represents a political status and a social caste that is not yet freed from the bonds of mental slavery nor from the bonds of political social and economic oppression uh so that's the importance of it it the importance is you you can't there was a time where we took the terms that were most harmful to us and and we alchemized them and turned them into terms of endearment and something beautiful because that was the only power that we had. But now we don't we have more power than to just take a word and say well it means this to us when we know that it means something else to somebody else which is more important because it's the somebody else that's putting us uh uh that we're agreeing to this status when we use it and so we have to become politically and socially uh and economically aware of the negative connotations of this word and and and pick more genuine terms. Noble Juali brought more haven't seen anything more genuine than that uh up until now. Uh so I think um the people get it in their head that it doesn't matter what you call yourself and it very much does in a society when importance is placed on what people call themselves and what people identify by and what they identify with. And black has always been synonymous with uh slave from the inception of the Americas up until now which is why there is this police abuse and this abuse of power because even after the Emancipation proclamation in 1865 there were still efforts to disenfranchise us with Jim Crow and various other terms and and I'll say this last thing that Nobu Ali taught us black according to science means death and we know that this type of death is a civil death and when you look up civil death you'll see that uh black people those who identified with the term black ex ex-slaves were considered civically or or or civilly dead that means dead in the eyes of the law that means that they don't have rights that other people who are alive in the eyes of the law have and whether they know it or not this dictates much of their political social and economic life uh because they are saying that they are civically dead and civil death doesn't look the same as it looked during so-called slavery um where um it meant that one was totally civically dead because you can see these people as as black people participating in some form of politics uh whether it be pseudo or otherwise but it takes on the connotation of of having a shattered character not having a full national character and that's what having a nationality does it puts you in full alignment with a uh a national character which you can uh call your own and also share with others who are connected with uh who don't have the same bloodline as you but are connected with the same land mass as you oh man bombs bombs bombs all right so before we before we cut out great demonstration first off uh and that's all I have to say for right now uh the last thing I would like to touch on is uh let's say if someone says you know nationality isn't gonna save us and you know because you got a nationality card that's not gonna save you the point that is missed is exactly what you said is about the character right that you learn how to become like like an upright citizen you know um and and and and give back to your community and um um um learn how to love instead of hate and all of these things that the prophet teaches along with nationality is what can bridge the gap between um uh us and citizens of the world if you will Islam I mean uh having a nationality just puts you on an equal footing with everyone else that does right a nationality card is just a symbol of you having a nationality it's not just about having a nationality it's about identifying with your people as a nation and then doing the nation building that's what develops the respect that's what develops the uh connections that's what develops the business uh connections and the connection to other nations is actually doing the nation building doing the work uh doing the uh self-governing and all of these things so no the nationality is not a magic card it's not it's none of it is meant for that this is real work right here you you know you're supposed to be uh uh building uh your nation uh as you as you go along and what it does is puts you in in uh contact and in uh connection with other like-minded people that are looking to do the same thing so uh this is about it's not about just a consciousness movement of identifying with with who we are it's about saying well if this is what we are and we're supposed to have our own political social economic uh people use the word sovereignty or self-governance well uh there's there's more than one type of sovereignty there's food sovereignty there's energy sovereignty there's uh health sovereignty uh nationality only lets you know who you're building with and who you are um uh working with to develop all of these uh types of sovereignty and if the people are of good nature and good character they'll uh begin to be known uh collectively as being uh good people upright people that people will want to do business with that people will want to interact with as opposed to the slave wild nigga population that's killing each other that's music is poison and everything else that people don't want to be associated with not because they don't like us they love everything that we do but because our culture will put their children in the grave all right all right on that note brother thank you for coming out this evening I really appreciate you I want to keep building on the word black for some time because um I really want this to be understood and being that you're the NGS you'll be the person to go to for this um I think this is misunderstood greatly you know outside of the Moorish community with other communities you know be it the 5% nation NOI Pan Africanist uh masons etc um you know they completely missed this miss the point of the teachings and um you know I just want to I want to keep expounding on the on the reason nobuj said according to science black means death and his program and why he wanted to take us up out of that label and uh his tools used to uh make us better citizens. So um you know I'm I'm here with you on that I mean it's really just one aspect of life uh and it's just dealing with law and civics I think many people get caught up in the ideology and the theology of it all when this is an ideology it's not the theology is something recognized all around the world and we can put our head in the sand and act like it doesn't exist but um one can experience a higher quality of life uh by knowing who they are by doing for self and by interacting with other people who know who they are in a positive and uplifting way or being aloof from negative people who know who we are that don't serve our purpose. To this end I've written several books. Again it's it's you can go to Amazon Books and type in Cosmo ill and you'll find various books on various subjects uh regarding Moorish history, science, language, uh even Islam, Islamism, so on so forth. And for information attending uh temple meetings uh or other events or ordering newspapers Morris Times they can go to propitnobujuali.org which is also on the screen and if you just want to contact me the Minister of Culture at gmail.com uh you can come to some meetings we can just chop it up I can come to some of your meetings um you know I'm I'm here to build with the people and help facilitate as best as I can indeed on that note again thank you for coming out this evening I really appreciate you thank you to the viewers we got a podcast probably on right now uh the tree of life with the Hebrew brother uh Robbie Yosef Ben Yosef on that note Peace Islam