Combat Explained: Veteran Insight on Warfare and Battlefield Experience - Paul Dyer

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Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Peace world, peace world. How you you doing? It's your brother Mikey Fever. Welcome to another episode of NYP Talk Show, the most coolest podcast channel within this conscious space. Don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. We got super chats. Peace to our viewers, peace to our listeners, peace to the world. Shout out to my brother Ron Brown. Without further ado, we got our brother, a legend on the show, very insightful, educated black man. Let's put it like that. You know, you know, not only does he walk the walk, but he talks the talk as well. All that. And he and he's very sharp. Our good brother, Dr. Paul Dyer. Welcome to the builder, Dr. Dyer. Salute.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

How you doing, Mikey? How you been? You've been safe out there?

Passion, Growth, And Social Loss

SPEAKER_02 1:02

Safe out there, man. I've been keeping to myself. As of lately, you know, I've been um Yeah, man. I think I took another step within this Masonic journey, man. A different step. It's very beautiful, man. That's what I gotta say.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

It is. And I believe all passion journeys are amazing.

SPEAKER_03 1:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

You have to develop a passion to have a journey. You just can't have a choice without passion. I'm glad you, I'm glad people choose, but then they have to fuel it with passion. And that gets them down the little road. If you want to think of it as um a choice is the car, but passion is the fuel. You you can't get you can't get anywhere without passion. And then and so because that goes along with our topic today, too, about what we're gonna talk about, war. And um, but I'm glad you're safe.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Definitely, man. It's beautiful, man. It's like, you know, I'm seeing like uh, you know, dealing with our vices and within ourselves, every day's a battle to refine yourself, to make yourself a greater person, not better, but greater. Learn from our faults, strengths turn to weaknesses. I'm keep saying that. That's one thing I keep saying. And you know, being the best version that you want to be. So therefore, when you make that change within yourself, you also impact the world. You know, you you and you're losing people along the process too. And I don't mean losing people like like this week alone, I gotta go to two funerals, but not only in um physical sense of death, but also socially, friendships change, dynamics change.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Yep. There's emotional death, there's physical death, there's emotion. Well, actually, there's death in all three levels, right? So there's spiritual death, there's emotional death, there's physical death, and then there's meant, and then there's mental death. So you you you have all four levels of your life that you that one you can never stop, and that's the physical death. But the but the other stuff you can enjoy going back to the word journey with passion. So um I just think that's that's the way to go.

Why Black Soldiers Carry More

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Definitely, my brother. So tonight's topic, man, it's it's called Combat Explained, Veterans Insight on Warfare and Battlefield Experience. Dr. Dyer. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

So as a vet, right? So with with with experience, I think people, the Americans, the Americans. So we're in this war with Iran, right? And if people are old enough, they can remember the Iraqi war with Iran, um, they can remember the Afghanistan, the horrible pullout, blah blah blah, right? So you can you you can remember maybe something to do with war combat. And as a person that I know, me personally, um, I'm healing through PTSD myself. Um we carry a lot. And here's the thing: black soldiers carry more than you think they do into the military. So they don't just carry, you know, what what people think of blacks as an extremely, right? Or they just don't, whatever. Early on, we're talking early, civil war time, right? Yeah, they don't think as blacks as people. So when when blacks join the service, they're carrying on a country that doesn't treat them all that well, yeah, right? We know that's just we're not talking about disagreements or agreements, it's just a fact. But we go and we serve, and it this happens with all minorities. Yeah, you go, you go serve in a country that does not treat you all that well, but you go with the sense of purpose to serve, yeah, right? To to serve humanity, some serve democracy, serve the safety of what America can be, could be, and has been for people.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

Right? So they carry that long history of because when I joined, the the first things I I heard was, why would you go to join to serve the man? That's how old I am, right?

SPEAKER_02 5:32

That's a stigma.

Regret, Purpose, And Coming Home

SPEAKER_00 5:36

But but that's that's that's that was coming. Why would you go serve the man? The man doesn't do blah blah blah. So hearing that from the environment is a lot of it makes you think more about what you're serving for. Previously in the 70s, they gave a lot of black people options, 60s and the 70s, early 70s, you know, go to jail or go to the army, right? And that was to, you know, uh depending on the sentence, I'm sure it's not like a a murderer. You're going, hey, you either go serve in the military or serve your sentence. But those those were highly suggested. They were highly suggested by the counselors in school. Why don't you go? And then we're not even talking about as early as the draft, right? So low in the lottery, not being able to get into school, to have a skip on the lottery. So all those things the country has done to us, and yet, as black soldiers, we go with a lot of baggage now, and then you have your own personal baggage. So you you have what you call a country baggage, you get your emotional baggage, and then you, if you want to be good, you want to be the best, you you want to go into tier groups and um really serve at a high level, that's great. But those doors are difficult to get through, and yet you really got to put your passion and purpose out there, you really gotta put your guts on the line saying, I'm not ever quitting. Not many, not many people that can get through the doors I've been through. So um, but then we go, then we go serve, and and so wherever they put us, and I've been in many places from Middle East to Africa to South America to Germany, right? To Eastern Bloc. Because actually I was there at Checkboard Charlie when the wall fell. So and I remember the things we had to do when the couple days before they were actually going to tear down that wall, you know, there was also missions inside um in the other parts of Germany. And so um that was it was it was pretty hectic then. But Americans don't know that, right? So, anyway, Americans don't know a lot of things what soldiers do over an incontinent or on ground or in the box, however you want to, however you or downrange, however you want to pull it. Um and they don't know the reasons. And and and those reasons, not knowing the reasons, keeps them blinded as a citizen. We may not know the reasons at the time because it's really about mission, it's always gonna be about mission and then the people around you. For me, it was always people around me, and then the mission, because I'm gonna make sure that I get home and people get home safe. So, uh the mission. So, but then you hear about the reasons we're there, or we see the things that are going on that's there, and those aren't happy things to be knowledgeable about. It's almost like when Adam and Eve hit the apple of the tree of knowledge, right? I'm not sure if I should have known this, but this was this evil, or this was this bad, or this was this political, or this was and not just political, meaning it's geopolitical. So we're talking about all the countries. We're just using these people, and but if we if we know your history, if we know your history, there's always going to be in a chessboard pawns and then and then everyone else. So so pawns get killed, and throughout the history, pawns will get killed, and service member are pawns, depending on where you are on the scale of pawn, you're still you're not the king, and you'll never be the queen. So as close as you could ever ever get is a bishop, and that's what you call a four-star general. That's a close, but you'll never be queen, you'll never be king.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Allow me to interject with this one. You said something that was so great. You're there for a mission, but when you find out on the contrary what the mission's about, you're not too proud. And that's something that I have heard from many soldiers that I came in contact with. Those who are veterans, and they say, you know, those that were involved in the Afghan War or the 2003 um Iraqi war, they were saying, We thought we were there for something else, but when we found out the truth, what it was about, they were not too proud. They were like, Oh man, I regret ever going.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

Ever. Regret ever.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

Because it's awkward telling them that. Because I remember I say thanks for your service at the time, you know, I was just being respectful, cordial, civil. Because, you know, I see you come back, and you know, as you said, many do have PTSD or missing limbs whatsoever. So I was just it's like encouragement, you know, because I see you know, we in the we in the setting and I see them there. I'm like, you know, at least give them, you know, congratulate them or something like that. And they said, no, I'm not proud of that, honestly. You know, I was like, wow.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

I so I'm and it's tough to even be proud being home. And that's where the depression comes in. Because I'm home. I'm home, others may not be home, yeah, others may not be whole physically and home. Because none of us are whole mentally and home.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Right? So, and then you know nothing of the reason why I was there as a citizen or civilian. So all my stuff was done out of vain. It's it's not like you knew. Like if it we'll we'll take a uh uh scenario, right? Your your sister, your sister comes home, your young sister comes home, and she looks bruised up. And as a brother, maybe five years older than her, what happened? Well, those boys push me. And then so you you go down the block and you like handle your business, because don't ever touch my sister again. Don't you ever put your hands on my sister again? Your sister says thank you because she knows what it was about.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

Yeah. But you don't know.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Right, right, right, but but you did it for your sister, right? You you may not know the reason, but you did it for your sister, and your sister knows you did it for her. Yeah, so civilians don't know why we do it for them. They don't know, yeah. They don't know, and they choose not to care because if they care, they would want to be informed. So so so their thank yous often are stabs. They're they they cut. They make they make they make me personally sadder.

SPEAKER_02 12:44

So I have a question for you, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

In hindsight, we can put this in, we don't we want to put this in conceptualize it in in context. In hindsight, what's harder? Going to war or coming back home from war?

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Coming back home. Because it would be easy for me to stay.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

Oh, you you but you become immune to what's taking place around you.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Yeah, and you you you you just you you're just you're settling in. It's just um like bagging groceries at a grocery store. You just handle your business.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

You get in you get into that mode.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But coming home, it's horrible. It's horrible.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

Why why is it because you don't know if you get celebrated or or because there what could you celebrate?

Iran War Context And Economic Fallout

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Celebrate something you know that was not healthy at the time, and now they they and how they use you to here's you know, we're f we're in we're in this situation war with Iran. We supported Iraq, who was fighting Iran. I remember that. Okay. When Iran in in the 50s, when we tried to work out an oil deal with them, we assassinated their leader, and we put in the shaw. Right? We put in the shaw. Then the shaw was taken over by another group, and now we have killed their pope, their religious, highest, most highest religious leader ever.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

It's if someone came over here, Pope doesn't mean much to means a lot to a lot of people, Roman Catholics, or Catholics, or Christians, but he's kind of a symbol. You may not follow the Roman Catholic thing, but if someone came over here to the world and killed the Pope, we would be kind of pissed off as human beings. Like, how do you kill our Pope?

SPEAKER_02 15:00

Yeah, or I would break loose, but you're right about that. In the middle of Ramadan, you go out there, you you you're you eradicate this guy, like that's right.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

And and and there's so whatever has happened, there's no way around this. We are in a bad situation. We we are in a situation that's kind of like checkmate. It's it's literally, we don't we we I would say a heart check. You may have one back and forth move you're gonna do for a while, but that's gonna end pretty good. If people have known to play chess before, when you only when the king only has two places to move, because you can move it and you're out of check, and then the next move you're in check. Next, you can do this for a while until they sit and figure out how to checkmate you. Exactly. This so this won't last long. We're we're an equ we're we just spent nine hundred million dollars on this war so far, and we're gonna go to a trillion next year.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

Oh man, all right.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

So so like so the people, this thing of the soldiers are are over there fighting for their lives, but for a play, a chessboard play. But they're fighting for their lives, right? But we're but we're really over there for a chessboard play, right? So coming back home, whether you're alive or whether you're injured, and hope you're not injured, god man, hopefully none of these boys come back injured. But the American people don't know that all this has cost so much, like because if people don't know, fertilizers made out of petroleum. Yeah, did you know that?

SPEAKER_02 16:54

I know I know part of it was like you know, a lot of research.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

So if if fertilizers, because fertilizers rising has risen, like like the gas prices, right?

SPEAKER_02 17:03

I sorry about the tax taxation, also with um is going like the oil ships going to the the um coast of Iran, a certain barrier goes through and most, yes. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Yeah, but but so fed fertilizer's rising, so fertilizers rises, that means everything grown in the ground should rise. Yep, right? Everything grown will have a higher price, everything fed will have a higher price just from fertilizer. Now we got a tax on diesels made out of petroleum. Diesel prices have gone up, the fuel has gone up, so everything that's delivered by a truck, that's another price point that goes up.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

Inflation is something I get critical out here with all this hate.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

It's gonna be critical. So when when when people see me training martial arts um with firearms or knife or whatever, or reading, that's training, that's all part of your training. Um you have to be prepared for this thing that's coming to us like a wave.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

It is. I I see that I see it's written, it's written in on the wall, the writings on the wall. All right, this war is based on ego. Let's be honest. Because you know, the way propaganda is showed is that we that live in this country, and I'm and I get it, people want to root for home team. I'm American, I'm patriotic, I'm rooting for my guys. But it's the same thing is happening on the other side as well, because these people are defending their sovereignty.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

But most people don't know that Iran was Persia.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Persia's been doing this for thousands of years. Persians has been defending their land for thousands, way before the Bible was even thought to be written or a word scratched in the sand. Persia's been there defending themselves for thousands of years. So, what does that teach the historical purpose of a per a person who's Persian? We can wait this out. We will last the long run, and we will we will survive and we will win. Just think this is the education for thousands of years, not a couple of hundred.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

Yeah, it's in grand in you, it's embedded in you, like it's it's embedded in them.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

So, where do you think they quit?

SPEAKER_02 19:42

Never, never didn't Iraq and Iran war last like over 20-something years, I believe, between those two.

PTSD Help, VA Hurdles, And Suicide

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Right, but it that's because they don't it there's no quitting. One's a Kurds, and one I mean, if you know the history of the Kurds and the Persians and then the Muslims, and it you know, so there there's a there's there's a there's a lot of information that people need to go seek out and read and why this is the way it is, but when it comes to just affecting you and the soldier, we're suffering inside, we're dying inside, and then we come back home and we suffer some more in silence. Um, it's it's yes, most people out there are really reaching out to some veterans about PTSD and going in and getting help. And I hope here is a dis I hope everyone is really seeking help. I hope you wash your mind as much as you wash your car. I want people to clean their minds and get talking to someone because loving someone like me is also very hard because you have to put in the patience, and it may not be what you want, and and and and it's okay, and it's okay for the people like, oh, I thought I could muster it through, and they can't, and but that as much as they try, it it seems to fall on the ears of well, I gave them it all, I think that's great, but you're still not ever gonna be here.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Yeah, I feel I feel for them. I feel for these um for veterans, man. I I have experience it myself too, and it is just that you try your best to understand, especially like I commend you personally, because I see that you went out there to do the work. Not only you did the work on yourself, you go out there to teach others how to cope. So salute to you, because you found your you found your way through many facets, you know. But how about those that don't go out there and seek that help?

SPEAKER_00 21:38

What suicide?

unknown 21:39

No.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

You know the number the numbers are the numbers are so high for people that don't seek help, it's suicide. You're going if it's not suicide, with the numbers so high, you're destroying so many other lives. Like you you're destroying a person who Who wants to be close to you? Whoever that is, whatever that looks like. If a person wants to be close to you, you will destroy it unbeknownst of your wants. You may not want to. It will just happen in time if you're not getting help. If you are getting help, it can still probably get, you know, broken or cracked or people move on, but at least you're keeping your heart open and you're trying. Because if once your heart closes, we're gonna go right back to that muscle memory we've had longer as a soldier than as an adult human being. Got you.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

So I have a question for you, Dyer. Being that earlier you said with my different minorities within the military services, right? And shout out to all the um quote-unquote minorities military service. Uh did you guys feel equally valued on the battlefield?

SPEAKER_00 22:59

Yes. Now, when you come down, so that's where the the politics and and uh suits or upper management, when it comes to brother to brother, soldier to soldier, there is no there is no religion, there is no there's no color barrier. There they're just it it's just man, I'm telling you, if we can, and I think that's also disturbing to us too, that you brought it, I mean you kind of brought up, I mean, that we come back here to the states, and the brother I sweat, bled, cried with, I mean, way more than probably any other female that I think I've ever broke down to, and over here in the states, there's these talk against them and they and them, us and we, and that's heartbreaking. That is heartbreaking. Yeah. Wow. Because right now we know that there's black militia that's forming to be prepared to fight white America. That is their that is their mission statement, preparing to fight white America. So the this is also coming.

SPEAKER_02 24:24

It's a lot, it's we're only the woo side. I believe I believe directly.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

I think there's no way to return this train back to the station. I I actually uh I foresee besides an economic collapse, that's really gonna throw people into a panic. And then if they've been training with their groups of people that they call we, whoever those we are, may not be so positive reacted to them. So it's it things are gonna turn a little bit hot in the streets. Um we're not gonna worry about jobs too much because we're gonna be, you know, with 46% unemployment rate. So people are just gonna they're just gonna be a little bit heavy on the heart, heavy and sad, and and emotions gonna trigger those reactions, and there's gonna be a lot of havoc and and and death. This is just what it is. So, as soldiers, as we come back to the states, this hurts us too.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

Yeah, it does. Like, like I have a question. Does it affect you? I know the benefits come straight from the government, but are there any speci specified ramifications that one must go through in order to get those um benefits?

SPEAKER_00 25:45

Yeah, you you do got to jump through some hoops and some hurdles and filling out paperwork, which brings up a some anxiety. So you have you I I suggest get someone to be an advocate for you. Um, the VFWs, um, the American Legions have VFW uh uh people that can be an advocate for you to seek your um your benefits and the things you might need. And then once you get into the VA, I know certain states, unlike the state I live in, um it's a long wait to get into um the VA and it's overcrowded and it's a mess, and it's so bureautical situation, and you so you wait months just to get in to see something and then or months to talk to a therapist. But you know, they're trying to they're trying to help and fix that.

SPEAKER_02 26:37

So how how did how did how did experience on the combat field change your perspective on life?

SPEAKER_00 26:45

It's either um it I think walking you through it, it's people can enjoy life and cherish life and be very responsible about life. People can grow up in really tremendous, horrible, trauma-inflicted neighborhoods, and don't give a shit about life. And they and they they discard life on the battlefield. We marry the two. We don't give a shit about death, and we don't get a shit about life because it's right now. If I live, awesome. If I don't die, I know I could have. So that gets jumbled in a lot of emotional um effects because we we marry life and death together, and life and death, they are together, they're synonymous. You read the book of the dead, it's the same thing. You read the book of life, it's the same thing. They marry the the there are many teachings out there that talks about life and death, and you experience that instantly after you stop shaking from your little fire.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

So your first experience, your first time on the battlefield, walk us through that, walk us through that the first time you heard us, the first shot went off. What went through your body?

SPEAKER_00 28:09

What we what would we taught and what do we gotta do?

SPEAKER_02 28:17

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

That's it.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

That's it. I remember you said a year a year or two ago when we when we first had you in the platform, the process was the amygdala gets broken through the training. Right?

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Yes, yep, it gets broken, gets shattered. Because it's not about what I'm gonna feel, what I'm gonna do, how I'm gonna do this. This is there's no feeling involved there. This is what I've been trained and what I'm gonna do, what does mission say? And what's my buddy to the left and buddy to the right? That's it. That is it.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

Just react. That's it. No, basically, just go.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

No, it's respond. It's not just react.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

React, respond, yeah. Okay, I got you. I like that. So uh so when once you're in the field, once you respond to what's taking place around you, right?

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Well, then it's information, and and that's where their awareness comes in because everything you take in the smell, sound, smell, you know, hearing, it's all information. It's all information. What do you hear? What does it sound like? What does the crack sound like? What does the B sound like? What is the smell sound like, you know, phosphorus rounds? What it's it's all the information's all out there. You just got to take it in. It's not just weather, temperature, and people. Um, it's everything, it's everything. It's it's the taste in your mouth that you that, oh my god. People people who know this, they know they taste a little bit of silver in their mouth. It's crazy, right? It has a little bit of a like a uh steel, like you're sucking on steel or something like that in your mouth. It you you get that taste in it, and you just become familiar with that taste.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

What was the most biggest mental challenge on the battlefield after you go through all those sensations and everything else?

SPEAKER_00 30:12

Like um, you you really kind of put it back in the training. You go back in into the training hole and and perfect the training a little bit better, what you studied on, what you're not fast on. And so you really try to you mix all those emotions into movement and training. So that's why it gets so wrapped up like an into a twine, because everything we do is emotional, everything, every emotional is in the physical, every physical is a mental thought. So um you can go to the ooh loop. Um, people have that happen, but if you're thinking a lot, you still gotta process all that information.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

It seems like the military incorporates a lot of training facets vicariously into it, like hidden, they don't explain it, but right, because it sinks into your mind faster.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

It sinks into your mind faster. Don't beat the slave, just keep the slave working. It'll learn that it has to just work. Because if you just keep beating, you're just gonna keep getting rebelled. You see what I mean? Yeah, you just keep you just keep him working.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

I see that you become like a machine after after that, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Yeah, you become a you become the machine.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Oh man. So how how does like a so how does a soldier cope with the loss of a a comrade on the field? Like, I know there's no time for mourning or nothing, it's just keep going. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

The answer's the same, Mikey, and that's what makes it so horrible. You go back into mission and and purpose, and that's gonna keep you alive because you dwell on you dwell on something, then you're not your mind's not in the game, right? Your head's not in the game. And if your head's not in the game, you're gonna end up costing yourself a life, and maybe the person next to you in front of you, behind you, or to the left of you, you you end up costing their life. And you don't want to do that. That's the one thing you don't want to do. You don't want to be like, oh shit, I missed, I miss it. It's not like basketball when people miss my pass, right? And they fumble it and it goes out of bounds. Like, damn, man, you missed my dime. Yeah, if you it in combat, you you miss a move, that's dangerous, that's death. That's or it creates a chaos that has to be now be controlled, right? So um, yeah, so all that gets really built into the fabric of being a soldier. That's why coming back is so hard. Yeah. I I mean, I know I know this is a heavy topic, and I would like to pick this up on a part two. But but I want people to think about us soldiers as human beings, but a being that you've never encountered before. How about care about where they went? How about care? How about care about well, how about care about why we went there and why the American people allowed it to go?

Proxy Wars And Who Profits

SPEAKER_02 33:17

Beautifully said. That's perfect. You know how question those things too, Dyer. Some people be uh I think it's done in layers. As you say, to beat this, they keep you going. All right. You send out as you say, so it's a chess game, and I now I'm seeing the picture. You send out the soldiers, those are the pawns. You got the people, the public. I don't know which position should we put them. Like, I almost I don't want to say bishops or whatsoever, but they just they pawns as well, but it's different tiers of pawns. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they're the spectacle, it's like bread and circuses. Let's put it, it's chess and bread and circuses like the Coliseum games. Yeah, we see them blood, we entertain by the blood, the sign of the blood, right? So they keep the blood going. Your mind, you're brainwashed to believe like if I don't root for this, I'm not patriotic.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

That's right. That's right. So they got you there.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Yeah, so you must go for it. And you got those that do oppose it, that don't want to see the war, and they viewed as weak anti-American.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

No, just just know the science of war, study war. You don't have to you don't have to go back and study as his much history as I study, but if you want to go back to how about to just 1953, when we put the Shah and when Kissinger welcomed the Shah into the United States because the Ayatollah had taken over.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Henry Kissinger, for those listening and viewing, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

You know, so when the Ayatollah took over, which is their religious faction, they're part of the religious faction, and and and the Shah was hiding out in the United States. We spent, we gave billions to him to be our guy. Yep. And then and so when Ayatollah took over, people were just like coming from Iran, coming to here, going, I don't want to be with the Ayatollah, right? He was just kind of mean. They even said the Shah was mean. You know, people left because but then we so the Ayatollah is a family. So they just keep they they it's it's a um direct monarch, really, because that's all they have is ayatollah that come from their family line, right?

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Okay, I got it. I got it.

SPEAKER_00 35:32

So so so we're stuck. I'm telling you, with a king that has two moves back and forth.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

And I want I want to know why do they deem these people as evil?

SPEAKER_00 35:47

Because before uh because we we we make them evil. When we were when we were Saddam Hussein was one of our advisors.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

I was gonna get to that point, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

Okay, so you you you have Noriega was an advisor for us until we hunted him down in Panama. There this this has been going on the drugs, yeah. This has been this has been going on since Ferdinand, right? When Ferdinand got shot, you know. This is this is this is the playbook. People you don't have to go back that far to start recognizing the playbook. You can recognize a playbook from the Roman Catholics. It's the same playbook of who they put as emperor in a section of an area. They try to take over Persia, they put in their their European, you know, person, right? Maybe not as dark skinned, but he had ties to the European area, so they put him in the Persia. Well, he gets taken out by his brother. I mean, it is so his brother says we believe we we should be Persian, so but he still had the European connection. It's it's this huge game that we as humans in a geopolitical section, we have been we're thrown in. We we have a number, right? You you you have an expenditure number number. We're the widest gap in history between the one class and the next class. I'm not gonna say lower class, I'm not gonna say upper class, but between two classes, we're the most separated now in history.

SPEAKER_02 37:28

Of course. The elitists are on top, the guys who pull in the strings behind the curtain.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

And they make money both ways. So that's the other thing. You keep people keep thinking that though these people are trying to make money, those people are trying to make money.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

I was gonna say I'm gonna say this, and I try not to uh get this channel in trouble, but I'm gonna say it. Even where a uh situation took place in the 1940s or 30s in um Germany, there were investors involved in that.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

Correct. Correct.

SPEAKER_02 38:08

The same people that were persecuted were they were people within their own organization that made money off of that. Their own group made money off of the world.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

The reason why we became a superpower was because after World War II, everything everywhere else was kind of not kind of they was demolished. They were you know bombed up, flattened out. The American people is the only people that had a working factories and they built something and they made stuff. So their engineering, so that made them the working capital, which made our dollars strong, which became the thing, right? Well, well, let's look at who's caught up. Japan's caught up, Germany's caught up, right? So after World War II, we're talking about 75 years, so so everyone's caught up, and we've been trying to run the same pick and roll scheme if you're a basketball fan, or you're trying to rein the same handoff play if you're a football fan, and it's not working. It's not gonna work, and the only people that's gonna get hurt by it are soldiers, and the other people that are gonna get hurt by it is people who want to try to learn to love the soldiers. And I wish people tried to learn to love them harder, and but I know it gets tough, and I know this is not not something you plan for, and not something that you may seem to be cut off for because there's health issues, mental issues, there's social issues and things like that, and and it just takes work.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

So no, it it it does, it does, it does take work, and it's difficult. And one thing I'm gonna say clearly, I never fault the soldiers because you you're just carrying on a job that you signed up for to do. Yeah, remember, they there to do a mission, and this is what they signed up for. Because as you mentioned, they go there with good intentions to better themselves and you know help their country out. So I never fault the soldiers. You know, I I uh I take their political leaders as accountable for what's taking place because these people just pointing the finger and saying, go to war, go to war, go to war. I'm like, why not do like the old generals used to do go to war yourself, get on their face?

SPEAKER_00 40:12

Well, the the last generals that stepped out in the front and and they realized being promoted was also a political appointment, was the Civil War. Um, prior to the Civil War, every leader was they led from the front. Right. And then after that, then we had what you call bench warmers. They they realized that if a high officer in Vietnam was killed, that was a bad idea. They learned that in Korea. So um, so they started putting high-ranking officers in the rear. And so that's why a lot of lieutenants um uh lost their lives in Vietnam. You don't see too many captains um that lost their lives or definitely no majors. And if it was, it was probably because a big base got hit or something like that. But they were not out on the battlefield unless there were special operators. Um, but anyway, I mean, so I mean, it was trying to build a society on leadership, on tough leadership. And so when you when you build a hierarchy society, that means someone's lower than. It doesn't matter what like you can have a an uh an assistance manager position. You still have a manager, you still have a CFO, you still have a CEO, you know what I mean? So there's a pyramid to all of this. And and then when we get emotional and detach from the work the the onworkings of war, yeah. When we get detached from the onworkings of war, then we get detached from the soldiers that served at any time.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

Oh man, cerebral. So, like uh, I want to get into the bottom of this. What made I hope people don't get angry about viewing and listen to this? What made the US want to go to war with Iran at this moment? Because I'm like, everything was all good.

SPEAKER_00 42:15

So so the US wanted to disturb the oil shipping, okay. But the problem is that we had a sanction against Russia about oil, but Russia sells to China and Africa, right? They would they were trying to get that's why he went out to Panama, right? And and and then he went in Venezuela and and then Greenland. It this was all about trying to sustain an oil production because we need it for manufacturing. The problem is that we don't have manufacturing here. All the manufacturers done in India and China. So so Iran was selling oil to China, so they would get it cheaper, and then and then China could sell. So he he got caught himself in a bind between we're supposed to be fighting Russia and we're supposed to be fighting Iran, but he had to release all the tariffs on Russia now because he's in a bind with Iran, but now Russia's selling oil to China and China is going to support Iran.

SPEAKER_02 43:30

So I mean yes, and let's be clear too, like that the war with Ukraine and Russia. I always tell people that that's a US proxy war.

SPEAKER_00 43:38

That's a proxy war.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

That's a proxy war. Because if I'm giving you weapons to go to war, that means I have problems with you too. It's not like, but how can you do you have the audacity to say, I want to s I want to sit both nations down to end the war, but yet I'm funding you to go fight them? Like that doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_00 43:54

So, so so because he was doing that on both between Iraq and Iran, right? We support Iraq to Iran, and then so then we went to war with Iraq, but Iran was supporting Iraq when we went to a war with Iraq, so they developed so the Gulf nations, the Gulf states have still binded together, and we're caught in between right and left because we always still want a proxy war. We needed a proxy war with Russia because that was our last known real serious enemy to really centralized United States, right? It was it, you know, we can have monsters, but we've never had a boogeyman like Russia, right? So that's why we have always been in these proxies with Russia. So we so even if the war stops in the Ukraine and Russia, United States loses.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

Yeah. Yeah, because you invested a lot into Ukraine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

It's a Ukraine, right? And Russia's already lopped off about two-thirds of the Ukraine. So Russia can never say they lost. They can't say they won, but they can't say they lost.

SPEAKER_02 45:08

No. They're going, they're going deep into it.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

And now, and now they're making more money on oil because they're the ones selling it now to China and Africa.

SPEAKER_02 45:21

That's true. And you know what, you know what gets me dire? It always captures me all the countries that have the high number of male native people, like the continental Africa, the diaspora, we always suffer.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

When it comes to this, well, we because because the the things were destroyed where we couldn't produce. So like grain, like Russia's, you know, the largest grain producers in the world. In the world. They're the largest grain. You need grain to make all things. Yeah. They're the largest grain producers in the world.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

So with all this happening between Iran, America, China, I don't hear nobody talking about North Korea as much.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

Nope. They're not, they're not talking about that. They're actually not talking about the Congo. Um, of all there have been people there's been it's a slaughterhouse in the Congo right now. Um and we have we have hands in that. Um we we we just we the people just don't hear enough from their news outlets, and they have to go reach and read control media other media and news and stuff. Otherwise, the United States is not gonna give you any of it, they're not gonna give you none of it. And they're not supposed to because the United States never wanted it. So I I you kind of go back to the citizen. I blame the citizens that blame the citizens because if they wanted it, they would have it. But because they never cared about it, they're getting what they get.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

Well, because you know, most of us here are worried about celebrities. Like you can ask anybody in the street, they'll tell you everything.

SPEAKER_00 47:06

Something about a celebrity.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

Yeah, every housewife information. But you ask them what's going on in the world, they don't care. Either they don't care, they have no knowledge of that, or they they just like, you know, in reality, based on circumstances, people here are just trying to survive day by day. Because, you know, right now with the war, we know economic changes coming, and as you put it earlier, it's gonna get very hostile.

Home Defense Without Fantasy

SPEAKER_00 47:27

So what so once it's getting very hostile, so let's look at this way. Let's let's someone wants to put they can't be so person wants to prepare to protect their home, right? Yes. Um, the first probably thing they think of is a firearm. Okay, so they go buy a firearm, they go buy a firearm from people they either heard something from, seen something from, read something about, yeah, whatever. So they go buy the firearm. Unlike many things, firearms are very difficult to trade back. So you may not like the firearm, but you believe you're supposed to like this firearm, and it could be any firearm. You believe you're supposed to like this firearm because other people like it.

SPEAKER_03 48:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

So now you have to train in it. We're just talking about protecting your home. We're not talking about you doing anything else, we're not talking about you trying to be a marksman, we're not trying to do anything else. We're just saying, in case it happens, I want to protect my family, the people that live under my roof. So now they buy this firearm, they spend this money, so now it's an economic issue because um certain firearms are not cheap, they're just not, and if you get it cheaply, you probably need to ask why it's so cheap.

SPEAKER_02 48:49

It was used before it has a body on it.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

That's right, it's got a body on it, right? Yeah. And then and you're like, well, I don't care about that. If it's got five bodies on it, I got a gun for 200 bucks, and I'm gonna make sure I have it in my house to protect myself with. You bet it can't, but because it's got a body on it, they're afraid to take it out of the house.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

If you're if you're an honest person, you're afraid to take it out of the house. You even as you say you put it in the lockbox, you might get checked at the range. And they got a body on it. Right? Because so so now you want to train and practice this when you can, if you can, if you have the ability to, if you can afford the bullets, if you can afford the train time. But until then, you have it in the house to protect your family, and you've never trained in this. You're only gonna get your family killed.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 49:40

You see what I mean? There's a circle to this about preparation, training, logic, and information that people don't take seriously or think about.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

You're right. You're right, you're right. It's all right. That's a lot that can that comes into this. So we we we know what's taking place with the war right now. We all know it could be a wild card with dealing with um North Korea, right? Because I'm thinking they might get involved.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

No, they just have to sit a while and watch us spend money. Remember, Iran, Iran can build the most drones than we have weapons. They're a drone-producing country, they produce 90% of the drones around the world.

SPEAKER_02 50:27

So who do you think, being that you said we sp we spent already$900 million going into a trillion next year, right?

unknown 50:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

Who do you who do you think will be a success in this in this war, this unfortunate war?

SPEAKER_00 50:38

I don't, I don't, I, I, I, I, I actually don't think they're I can't see that. I I don't I even I would never want to even speculate to see or have an idea. That's a lot of I could do it if I did my my data research, come up with a couple, but I don't think any of it's gonna be good because the people aren't going here's here's why I don't think it's gonna be good, it doesn't matter what because I don't think the people are gonna have as much to say as they thought they would. And that's only gonna leave them more depressed. Yeah, I think they they thought they were gonna have someone to be like, hey, we choose Donald Duck, right? Whatever. And um and they can't, they're not they're not gonna be allowed to choose whoever because the constitution's changed on them, or something's changed on it, and you didn't know that they voted on it, and you didn't know it was passed on it, you didn't know it was because of this. It'll be so yeah, there's a be we're in this mess for geopolitical reasons that has been going on since the 30s, as far as the United States, and we're gonna continue to do this because we have lacklustered people that are involved in community, family, yep, and society on a healthy way. Talk about it because healthy means I listen, hear, understand any opposition I could ever think of. I listen, I hear, I understand.

SPEAKER_02 52:36

I I I wish um Legis thought like thought as such, Dr. Dyer. I really do, but they don't, as you said, it's just it's the male ego. I'm gonna be honest, white supremacy. Yeah domination, you want to dominate the world. Let's let's let's call it what it is. That's what it is. The fear of a brown of a brown of a planet, I want to be in control, I want my legacy to live on forever because I'm the most dominant.

SPEAKER_00 52:59

Well, they they've lived that way for you know, um you know, at least this 15th century. That's they lived that way. But if we follow the Persians, which is we know as Iran, we just wait them out, yeah, and know that we're we we will persevere because they've done it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:19

That's and that's they were able to rebuild themselves. This is what I'm saying. We gotta, you know, when you know the imminent danger there, but you know in the day, it's like um ha Ali Fort Um Foreman. Yeah, you're gonna tie yourself out.

SPEAKER_00 53:31

Eventually I'm gonna rope and dope you, and you and then and then I'm just gonna and then I'm gonna knock you out.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

Yeah, exactly. So that's why I I'm with you not to do the report on that. Yeah, it could be very depressing to read it because already we were at 900 million dollars in, and it's it's only been what uh how long has been the war? Like a month already?

SPEAKER_00 53:52

Right, but it's this year, it's 900 million total this year, so far this year.

SPEAKER_02 53:56

And the years ain't even done yet.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

No.

SPEAKER_02 53:59

Oh god. Yeah. Not a smart move.

SPEAKER_00 54:05

No, no, but it's a move, right? And if you don't, if you don't understand the chess game, when you're watching the chess game, you're like, oh, so what is this that's happened? Oh my god, you know, he used his bishop to blind the rook, blah blah blah. And you're like, of course, we people been playing chess for such a long time they have names for it, but moves are strategic. And it and and when we've been dealing with people that have the same theory and process for thousands of years, and we're still so new to this, what are we celebrating 250 years?

SPEAKER_02 54:40

Yeah, and they've been doing this.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

And we're supposed and we're supposed to outsmart someone's been doing this for 2,000 years.

SPEAKER_02 54:46

Talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

I'm just I'm just I'm just putting, I mean, that's just layman, right? We're supposed to be you're supposed to fight a person that's been doing this for 2,000 years, and we're only 250 years old.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

You know, it's so true because I remember when um when Gaddafi said this to in that in that in that world meeting of the Arab Nations, he said, look, they are coming to get us all. If and if we don't stay on on the course, we're gonna lose it. You know, he was taken out. Saddam was taken out.

SPEAKER_00 55:17

Yeah, and then now you know you know the English and the French are gonna just they're easy to blame America for all of it. They're just like there they can say they're with us, but when it all fails, they're like, Oh, we were taking the lead from from America. So so they'll they'll back out a little sneakily and sneakily because they can, you know. They could just say, Oh, we we uh it's like getting arrested with Mikey. Um, I was just here in the car. I didn't know you were gonna rob the you know the supermarket, and then you still get brought in. You're like, I I was in the car. I mean, we were cool, I was cheering him on and everything, but I didn't know he was gonna do that, right?

Division, History, And Final Warnings

SPEAKER_02 55:55

Yeah, he was in the friend in school. He was he's in he had his hand in the potato chip bag as well. Take him.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 56:01

And so you know, go ahead. No, go ahead. No, I was gonna say something that came to my mind was thinking about this this line from Stickman of Dead Press, and I say this respectfully because I don't have a prejudice bone on my body. But looking at history, as you said, the same game plan. Everywhere does European go, does white man go? And when I say white man who has his mindset of belittling others, yeah, he brings misery. Misery.

SPEAKER_00 56:29

Or disease.

SPEAKER_02 56:30

Oh, disease. Yeah, it's it's throughout your history.

SPEAKER_00 56:34

I'm sorry, I'm not No, don't be so here's here's the thing. If if someone disagrees, right? Yeah, I would like for them to explain their information why that is not true.

SPEAKER_01 56:48

No, I say sorry because they'd be like, come on, bro, I love you. Yeah, I love you too. No, no, no, but it you can still say something that is truthful. No, it's true. Wherever you go, you bring misery. It's miserable.

SPEAKER_00 56:59

Yeah, but it doesn't mean we should have to apologize for it, I don't think.

SPEAKER_02 57:03

No, I'm not when I say apologize, when I say I'm sorry, it's like for those gonna be like, you know, because there's some black people gonna be like, You said that? Yes, I said it. Because some of our people, like, listen, they very I'm sorry today, but Johnny come lately, historically, you have been destructive to the planet. I'm sorry, I'm starting from like Dr. Camboon. I don't know if you remember Dr. Cambo, but he said something. I might say on his platform yet. But yeah, wherever you guys go, man, it's like you you're problematic.

SPEAKER_00 57:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

Just read your centuries of history, that's all, and travel. It's the mindset, you know, where you think you're superior and others are inferior. You gotta change that because now I hate to say it to you, and you know, these Iranians are gonna give it to you. They they don't care about that.

SPEAKER_00 57:52

And and and the problem is is that so we're not even talking about the insurgents that we have coming across the border and the border issue, and and oh yeah, and and and the different cell cell groups are in here. If you take that and then take what you call hostile minorities who are forming groups and training camps that are going to prepare themselves for this this collision course, which side do you think they'll be on? Do you think they would be on white America side or you think they'd be on yeah, see?

SPEAKER_02 58:27

Exactly because right because you know the corner store guy Aki is I'm sorry, but he's like, I'm riding with you because I believe he's riding with you. Yeah, because they because you know, if they see how you treat your own citizens, right?

Closing Thoughts And Sign Off

SPEAKER_00 58:42

Your own Which is funny because here when when the hostage was happening in what was that 70? They took hostage in the embassy, the Iran, the Iran, it was I think it was 70, it was with Carter, and they let go of black people from the embassy from the hostage before they let go of white people because they're like, We see how the American people treat you, we don't want to treat you that way, so they released the dark-skinned people out of out of out of the embassy. But I bet you people didn't know that, right? So they so Iran Iran used their our own prejudices that we were going through against us. So, like, we'll let go the hostages, but they just have to be dark-skinned, and they let them go. They literally let them go.

SPEAKER_02 59:31

Good looking, Oc. Anyway, I appreciate that. With that being said, Dr. Die, I appreciate you for coming out, my brother.

SPEAKER_00 59:38

Absolutely, brother.

SPEAKER_02 59:39

It's very informative. Yeah, of course. I'll be safe, my brother. You too.

SPEAKER_00 59:43

Everyone be kind, compassionate, and be loving. But you have to still be educated and learn something out there because things are coming. It's either gonna be blinded or you're gonna be aware of it. That's all.

SPEAKER_02 59:56

That being said, don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. As the good doctor said, love, learn, laugh, but be vigilant, be observant, make moves. You know, together it takes a village to raise a child, say to them to raise a child, and together we can make things happen. With that being said, we are out. NYP Talk Show. Peace and love.