Why Did Noble Drew Ali Align Us with the Moabites? (Full Breakdown)

The fastest way to control a people is to shrink their timeline. So we ask a bigger question: why did Noble Drew Ali align Moorish Americans with the Moabites, and what does that alignment actually do for our mind, our history, and our future? Host Mikey Fever and Ron Brown sit with Moriel Smith for a deep, respectful breakdown that ties Moorish Science Temple of America teachings to scripture, archaeology, and real-world nationhood.

We start with the basics and then go past the surface: Moabites as “Moroccans” in a broader imperial sense, Moab’s place in the Transjordan region, and why that crossroads matters when you’re tracing civilization through Egypt, Mesopotamia, Canaan, and Arabia. From there, we move into the Circle Seven Koran and the Bible, including Ruth the Moabitess, the house of David, and how Moab’s relationship with Israel shifts between conflict and kinship. Moriel also explains why Moabite identity helps sidestep the toxic baggage of early 20th century “curse of Ham” propaganda while still grounding identity in true and divine records.

Then we bring it back to now: nationality versus citizenship, free national standards, and why history is only valuable if it builds strategy. We talk culture, language families, trade routes, Carthage and Phoenicians, pan-African Islamic networks, Sufis and marabouts, and what “Islam in an American container” means without begging for outside approval. We also take community questions, including whether Moors should practice salat, and close with a clear summary of why Moab sits at the center of this argument.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:10

Peace world, peace, peace. How are you doing? Welcome to another episode of NYP Talk Show, the coolest conscious plat platform within this conscious sphere. Don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. I am your good brother Mikey Fever. We also have super chats, so do get involved. Check out the merch on the website. Tell a friend, tell a friend, show some love, man. We got a lot of shows coming up. Do check in. Don't be biased. Come with an open mind and show love. Peace, my brother Ron Brown. Peace to all that support us, our listeners, our viewers, our day ones. Number love for you. Tonight, we got our special brother, our good brother. Um brother Moriel, right? Say it correctly, Moriel. Moriel, yes. Smith. And tonight we'll be talking about why did noble Jew Ali align with the Moabite? The full breakdown. Peace, man. How you doing? Peace to the chat too. Shout out to our brother Ben who's here, man. How you doing, bro?

SPEAKER_00 1:14

Man, all is well. You know, first off, I want to give honors and praises. I'll have to give perfect praise to Allah, honest to his prophet, honest to noble Jew Ali, Marcus Muller, RV the Harbinger, uh Edward Milliarda for Supreme Grand Streak, and my Supreme Grand Street, Keith Dangers. Yeah. So get that out the way. But super excited about this show. Um, yeah, because the the Mobites, it's it's it's it's it's gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

It's gonna be definitely, man. And for those who don't who don't who may not agree, keep it respectful. Don't come on here just viewing that um nonsense and that ignorance because you will you will be booted up out of here. And trust me, I have no problem hitting that button. For real.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

It's love. We want all challenging questions. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Of course, I don't mind the challenge questions, but keep it respectful. You know what I'm saying? That's all I'm saying.

unknown 2:03

100%.

Who Are The Moabites Today

SPEAKER_01 2:04

So go ahead, brother. I'd like to know, man. So first question I'm gonna hit you with was who did Noble Jwali identify as the descendants of the Moabites?

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Yes, so Noble Jwali identified the Moroccans as descendants of the Moabites. So the modern name for the ancient term of Moabites by way of the one-on-ones are Moroccans. So Mabu Jwali aligned the Moabites with uh Moroccan people. Now, um, not to go on a tangent, but to expound on that, right? It is when we're looking at the modern day country of Morocco, and then when we're looking at uh Empire Morocco, these are two different geographies, right? We're talking about uh Morocco actually controlling uh Mali politically, right, in the in the 1500s. So you're talking about a much larger piece of land than the modern-day country, Morocco as well. So we have to think about Moroccans in its broadest sense.

Moabites In Moorish Teachings

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Got you. That makes sense. That makes sense. I always say that too. People just assume when others, you know, when people identify as more Moorish Americans, they'd be like, Well, you're not from Morocco, but I'm I always put it in the I always say you gotta put it in context. The empire expanded, you know, geography to different areas, so we got geographically to different areas, so we got to respect that. All right, but that's cool, man. How are the Moabites described within the Moorish science teachings?

SPEAKER_00 3:40

So the Moabites are described as one, you know, founders of the holy city of Mecca. That's that's that's that's the key right there. Um, and then also again, being um given permission from the pharaohs of Egypt to settle in northwest and southwest Africa. Um, the Moabites are also aligned in the teachings of, you know, of course, being in the lineage of Jesus, um the Messiah as well. So there are a lot of um special stations that the Moabites have, not only in the paradigm of uh the Moore Science Temple, but just within the scripture as a whole. And you know, we'll get to it as we continue the questions, but that's the importance of the prophet putting us in that node of being Moabites.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

That's peace right there. Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Yeah, I can hear you. Yes, sir.

Why Identity Means Civilization

SPEAKER_01 4:34

Yeah, that's peace right there. So that's the historical fact that we're looking at, right? How does the identity differ from conventional African American identity?

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Uh, well, the identity of the Moabites differ from conventional African-American identity, is that like, you know, when we look at the history of our people trying to reconstruct the past, connect us back to you know, pre-slavery times, right? Uh, you you really get, right, of course, the Hebrew Israelites are a big um faction that does that. You also have, of course, the nation of Islam, nations of Gods and earth, right, connecting people connecting us back to our Islamic roots and heritage and things like that. Um, but I will say is the main difference between the prophet connecting us to the Moabites versus you know, any of whether it's the Israelites or we're gonna talk about Ismailites, Arabs, descended from Muslims and things like that, etc., is that what the Prophet is doing is he's he's aligning us to civilization, right? Um, the land of Moab, you know, conventionally, right? This is conventionally known amongst scholars and academics and things like that, have has been placed in the Trans Jordan region, right? And the Trans Jordan region is in between Mesopotamia and the Levant and Arabia, and then of course the Sinai Peninsula of Egypt and things like that. So the Moabites, Moab, the kingdom, is within this sphere of all of you would say these ancient cultures and civilizations of ancient Egypt, of ancient Mesopotamia, ancient Levant, and ancient Arabia. So the prophet connecting us back to that again now shows the passage right of knowledge going back to the founders of civilization. The Moors are known as the custodians of the ancient Egyptian knowledge, right? So, with that being said, right, the prophet putting us in alignment with the Moabites again, we're talking about connections to Mesopotamia, connections to the ancient Levant, Canaan, and connections to Arabia as well as connections to ancient Egypt, all in one to show okay, now these people that came from this area, boom, now the prophet tells us the migration story going into now Northwest Africa, connecting us to the civilizational cultures that was there, combining the Near East and West Africa to create again a bloodline heritage, knowledge, not even create, but realign us back into a bloodline heritage and knowledge that goes through all of these ancient civilizations that I've given so much to the world.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Because you know, I heard the name Moab before the descendants of I believe I don't want to lot, yeah. The Moab and there were different conflicts within the stories of how they continue to multiply and stuff like that. They're trying to insinuate some craziness. It was I heard a lot of controversy within that topic right there.

SPEAKER_05 7:59

Indeed.

Ruth Jesus And Scriptural Lineage

SPEAKER_01 7:59

So within it, like you know, we got into the historical part now, big get into the religious and scriptural foundations of it, right? How does the circle seven Quran define more about lineage? The Moabite is the Moabite lineage, pardon me.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

Yeah, so again, the circle seven Quran, the main thing, right? What we want to look at is understanding that chapter 46, the prophet makes the key connection of Jesus being descended from Moabites, Canaanites, and the inhabitants of the descendants of Africa. Why this is important, why even looking at it scripturally, right? What he's talking about is, and it's in the 101s, Ruth the Moabitus. Ruth the Mobitus, right? In Ruth, the book of Ruth, chapter 4, verse 11, Ruth is being stated as being just like Rachel and Leah, who are basically the mothers of the 12 tribes of Israel. It was clear that Ruth chapter 4, verse 11, states that Ruth, her position in right, the bloodline of the Messiah is the it is equal to Rachel and Leah being the matriarchs of the tribes of Israel.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

That's the truth, Ruth.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

So Ruth, the great-grandmother of King David, the house of David, which is the bloodline of the Messiah, right? Jesus, the God man of the day. So, and then also, too. So when we look at the prophet again, it tells us that the Moabites, the Canaanites, the Hemetites, these were they were kicked out of the land of Canaan by Joshua. Right? But Ruf in the biblical story comes after Joshua. So, what does that tell you? Some Moabites left, some Moabites was stayed behind. So, again, now we're looking at different migration periods and patterns as well. Right? So the prophet again tying us back into the Mobites is tying us right where, uh, you know, metaphorically, right where the action is, but not uh putting us in a place where it's too strict, too direct, because everybody's trying to claim to be an Israelite. You have right people, Ashkenazi, Hasidic, Sephardic, Veda Israel, the Philosophers, all of these different things, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:52

Who's claiming to be Moabites? Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

No, no modern, no modern group in the past 100 years are claiming to be descendants of the Moabites. Now, when you look at the Moabites, again, the Moabites are sons of a prophet. Lot is a prophet in Christianity and a prophet in Islam in Judaism, son of a prophet, right? Then, so you're a part, you're you're a part of the covenantal family, nephew of Abraham. Abraham in the biblical story goes and saves Lot Genesis chapter 14. Right? He goes and saves his nephew Lot as well, with a coalition of Amorites, which we're gonna talk about, right? Boom. Further down the story, you get to Moses' time. Now, by the time of Moses, Moabite is a whole is a full-fledged nation, right? Another key the prophet is aligning us back to an ancient nation with kings and you know land and archaeological records like the Moabite stone on the uh the Meshistele. He's aligning us back to real, a real ancient nation as well. Right now, you get into down from the time of Moses, you get into Ruf the Mobitis, right? Who then now becomes a symbol, right, of an outsider outside of Israel seeking the way of the Lord, mean showing that the covenant isn't about bloodline, but it's about your willingness to submit to the most high. Right, so it's like all these things are connected imperfect for when you look at the time when Noble Drew Ali is teaching these things in the 20th, early 20th century, right? And he's trying to give a people back something that was lost, and he's trying to make it make it make sense contextually with what they mostly know, which is the Bible.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

Bro, hold on, gotta give you that, gotta give you that.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

That was dope right there. No, no, that was dope because it's a fact because uh um that's the same tactic Elijah Muhammad used. Because some people be like, yo, he they know they teach him the Bible mostly. It's because that you're they left you stuck on um, in no disrespect, they left you stuck on Jesus and on the Bible. So they have to go there to show you this is where you at in history. Within this book right here, you're looking at, you you're deciphering, decrypting the code, the um, the coded messages and theme of your history. So it's true, and it goes back to that verse, that passage where they say, Um, yea, our gods, if you knew my people suffer, my people suffer, die every day, suffer from death because of lack of knowledge and information. I don't don't butcher it, but I'm just paraphrasing. So, yeah, that's a fact right there. Okay, that's bro. And he broke it down. I was gonna actually that the relationship between the Moab and the and Lot in the scripture, you just broke it down. So beautiful, man. Um how are the Moabites viewed in comparison to the Israelites?

SPEAKER_00 14:31

Well, again, the Moabites have a love-hate relationship with the Israelites when it comes to the biblical story, right? At one point, they're enemies, right? And in the judges, uh Joshua Moses period, and then again, right through Ruth, there's kinship, there's family now being involved. There's in a marriage, and then you know, again, after that period, right? You have war times, and then you have in the book of Jeremiah, verse, I mean, chapter 48, verse 47. The Lord is saying he's gonna restore Moab.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

Okay. So God's because now is it's making sense. So it's basically as you put it, as the Moors put it, claiming basically claiming your nationality is it's far beyond a legal status and everything else. It's more of your heritage, self-sovereignty, and going deep into the history.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Definitely. I mean, that's what that's what makes China a China, Japan, a Japan, India, uh, India, uh, Iran, uh, Iran, right? It's this historical continuity that beats in the heart and DNA of a people that spiritually unites them, especially when you can now align the story with the scriptures. Like you were there, what your forefathers were, you are today. You were there.

Nationality Versus Citizenship Today

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Okay, that makes sense. No, it makes I see what you're saying historically and on the contextual. Um say if one, like, instead of why is it that you know, I get the concept of claiming nationality more. Why not just say Moab bite? Like, you know, just claim your your um your Moab history instead of the thing about it is that like if your history isn't benefited, benefiting and serving you, your present and your future, what's the point?

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Okay, right? So now that's what when a prophet talks about free national standards and power that makes a man in a nation. It is every group's how a group thinks will let you know what they do and how they organize. Well, the number one that you know uh factor that shows how a group thinks again is history. So it's not about just to your point, because I I feel a lot of people will share the sentiment that you shared about like what's the use, and the use is is that like now with the information that is out, we can now take history and apply it to the present strategy through things that we need through food, water, clothing, agriculture, uh uh uh um technology as far as um hydraulic technology, hydraulic technology, yeah. How to irrigate for farming and whales and all of these different things. Studying history will give us this free national standards that we need to create power for our people because that's what like they say, knowledge is power, so it's the education that will allow us to now be armed with the things that we need to flourish.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

That's a fact. No, I agree with you 100%. And I and the reason why I asked that question is for the sake of the listeners and viewers, because some people will be like, all that knowledge, and you know, what's the benefit of this in today's world in the ri in real time? I get it, because you know, you gotta start with your mind first, 100%. You know what I'm saying? You gotta you know restructure the your way of thinking and knowing your history, so that's important right there. I'm glad I'm glad you put that. You broke it down for us.

SPEAKER_05 18:49

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

What does it mean to um and I know it's going back to what we say, but you know, how does a lineage relate to the nationality versus citizenship with this Moad?

SPEAKER_00 18:59

How does a lineage relate to nationality versus citizenship?

SPEAKER_03 19:05

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

So your nationality and your lineage and your history, it basically shows what type of character your people has. Right? So, for example, let's let's let's use Indian people, right? Indian people, they're known for, of course, um their trade, their spices, um, you know, their religious texts, yoga, um, their food, all of these different things. So that now creates the national character of a people, which then shows how they're seen to the world, which then shows how other nations will deal with them. All right, so us now taking these things and now embodying these things will now, and this and this is and this is the tension between what our modern world calls respectability politics and free national standards. Is that we as we as a people mix these two up because anytime our people you know try to say things like stop wearing a bonnet outside, don't go to go outside in your pajamas, all these different things, it causes an uproar because now people thinking that we're doing these things for quote unquote white or European approval.

SPEAKER_03 20:31

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

When it's really about us as a people setting our own standards of how we want to present ourselves as a race, and that's and that's the thing, those are free national standards. That's what leads to power is that what are the expectations and goals that we are setting for people for our own benefit without any outside opinion? So when we think about that, who's actually talking about that or doing that? Like, what are our own goals and opinions as so-called African American people, etc. etc. etc. What are they? What how what how are we or when are we discussing these things? We're not why? Because those that's not a national standard of us to do those things. A national standard for us to do those things is to now listen to what the news is doing, listen to what the politicians are saying, and then react. That's that's the that's the current standard for our people. Or try to, you know, we have certain grass group organizations, which I do have respect for because I work for a grass group organization, so I'm in a church with grass group organizations. However, even within that space, you have a lot of different people again selling out for grant funding and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

So it's just like there isn't no consensus, basically, like when you are working as a national. Of people, you're trying to protect your character of the people. So when people then start to do things for their own personal benefit over the benefit of the collective, which is the result of you know mass individualism that's been taught in America, then it's hard for people to come together. That makes sense, which keeps people fragmented.

unknown 22:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

I'm glad you mentioned that. That's that's deep right there, and that you mentioned that they're masking things for the division, and you got organizations that do um sell the people off for funding stuff. Because you know, they don't teach this right here. Only thing is I could say that it's not all grassroots, but there are groups out there now that will have like summits and whatsoever, and they don't teach these people this history. They just like, well, you're just black, you're a victim, came off the straight, like you came off the slave ship, and that's all we know about our what happened to our people. And you know, we granted, all right, that happened, slavery did take place, you know. But you know, they don't they they just make it seem like the slavery is just the genesis of of our history, our plight. You're just a victim here in America, but they don't say anything great, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 23:15

So and that process is the process from which now identity is formed in America. So basically, identity in America is formed off of completely shutting out identity prior to America to get now people to fit into a certain status to then now perpetuate the strategy of using cheap labor for empire and all of these different things, influence of behavior, thought, everything.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Um are there any like um say cultural or traditions that were passed down for our Moab lineage?

SPEAKER_00 24:02

Definitely when you look at uh the arts, right? Um metal working, stonework, leather, agriculture, horses, incense, right? Moab was a huge part of the incense trade room. Um all of these different things, as far as like the arts and the arts of connection to spirituality, are all the things that were passed down um throughout from the ancient world to the medieval world to the present. Um yeah, so craftsmanship, politics, society, government, all these things were passed down through through the years from Moabites to Moroccans, trade routes via the Carthaginians and Phoenicians, uh the language, the language, the Moabite language is a part of the Semitic language group. It's completely identical basically to Canaanite, Israelite, Aramaic, they're all in the same language family. So, language, all of these things have been passed down uh from that time period.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

And as far as any uh religious, spiritual, metaphysical aspects as well, as well, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

When you look at so the Moabites, their their main god was called uh Shemosh or Kemosh at the time. And if you look, if you actually do some uh research into the etymology and linguistic of this term, Kemosh Shemash, it goes back to Shemash of Mesopotamia, uh Samash uh Arabia, but it's uh he was known as like a warrior god in Moab, but it's actually goes back to the sun god Shemash, right? And then you have Asherah or Astarte or Atar or Atar, she was like the goddess, and that was Venus, right? So you have basically the sun, Venus, and the moon was basically kind of like uh revered as a trio in the uh the ancient Near East. So a lot of those uh concepts flowed to the West, right? Um, so when you look at so Venus is also close to I mean not Venus, but Ashura Astarte is has also been uh related to Isis, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

Uh so all of those, all those elements, Egyptian elements, Mesopotamian elements, were carried over to Carthage and then to Northwest Africa.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

I got you. You know, it's so so you you were saying the name um Shemesh and all that. It sounded like you was about to say Shemo Farash, something that's thinking like you know, Shemon Ferash, it's a cabalistic um when dealing with the 72 um angels and stuff like that. So I'm like, yeah, it sounds very close to it, like you know, linguistically, like the sounding, the vibration of it.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Uh so yeah, man. You about to say something?

SPEAKER_00 27:18

No, I was gonna say, like, yeah, like a lot of those um again, you're talking about some of these words coming from the Afro-Asiatic Semitic languages and things like Canaanite languages and things like that. So, like, there probably is a connection from as far as like a from a root, from a root level, as far as like what it meant, because these gods uh or deities that were worshiped, right, uh basically stem from the use of what a name comes from, yeah. Right, so there could be a uh connection, like for example, uh SLM from Islam, uh, for Islam or Shalom or Salaam comes from the dust god uh shalom that was from ruling Biblos or Jerusalem at the time, it's like Jerusalem at the time. So it's like again, the linguistics of the words are connected to older concepts.

Metaphysical Lineage And Historical Proof

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Got you. That's why I like when you guys come on here, man. I'm I'm like, damn, like I'm learning different things, like this is crazy. Um, how is the Moabite lineage understood beyond physical ancestry?

SPEAKER_00 28:27

How is the Moabite lineage understood beyond physical ancestry? Well, the term Moab itself means either from the father or seed of the father, right? So, with that being said, when you look at you know the creation or origin story from from coming from the circumstance of more, right? Man is a thought of Allah, all thoughts of Allah are but seeds, right? So, as far as like again, if you're looking at Moab from what it actually means from the Father, seed of the Father, is directly connected to the process from which we come into existence. Right? Because we are thoughts of Allah, we are seeds of the Father. Allah thought us into existence before anything was even in existence.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Exactly. Shout out, you know, Sharif. Brother Sharif Anil Bay said that one time. He's like, Allah, you know, and therefore long as the thought of Allah is um will always reign supreme over anything. Man, no man will always be in existence. Something like that, he said. But it was so dope.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

You can't put a timeline on when Allah first started man.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Can't man try to man try to put a concept to it, an idea to it, a framework, but it can't be proven.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

You can't work with that because Allah, the the secrets to the future is open up to them. So all that thing is that's why it's chaotic. That's why creation origin stories are always talking about it being chaotic, because the infinite knowledge, you know, potentially potentially actuating is it's it's chaotic to a mind that don't understand how that works.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

Can't you think you get an idea, but you lost it? That's so dope, man. I'm gonna I'm gonna get into that. I just want to know what different perspective of that. How do historians evaluate the claims of the Moorish Moabite lineage? I mean you do your research, but you know that there's gonna be some series of that.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Definitely, historians. Here's the thing about history in general when it comes to the claims of the more science to blow America and uh you know academia is that like they'll look at what we say and take it as like a blanket term and say there's no connection, but when you actually do the knowledge and you look and you break it down into layers, you will definitely see the connection. For example, no no historian will argue to argue you that Carthage existed. The people from Carthage came from this came from the city of Tyre, which is on the coast of Canaan, right? So, with that being said, we know for a fact that people from the Near East came to Northwest Africa and settled there and mixed in with the local population. This is a fact, right? And then we also know that the people in North Africa, right, particularly Northwest Africa, are related to the people of the Sahara and the Sahel, and the people of the Sahara and the Sahel are now related to the people in the forest regions of West Africa, right? So on the surface, it looks like there's no connection, but when you break it down into layers, it's right there.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

Talk about it, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:58

So again, even the Bible breaks down connections. Psalms 83 talks about how Tyre, the Ishmaelites, the Moabites, uh the Midianites, all of these different tribes were in a confederation against Israel. So that lets you know that again, these different tribes, even though they're different tribes, they all existed in the same network. They all existed in the same civilizational network through the instance trade, through the the cedar trade between Egypt and Canaan, through um trade coming from Mesopotamia and India. All of these nations, all of these different cultures were part of the same ancient system, which is again key while the prophet aligned us with Moab. So now we have a clear stake in the ancient world. We have a clear stake in the ancient world tying us to the founders of civilization, tying us to Mesopotamia, tying us to ancient Egypt, and there's a record, there's a record of Assyria mentioning Moab in his walls, there's a record of ancient Egypt mentioning people coming from the Trans Jordan region, there's a record of people uh in Mesopotamia talking about people from the Transjordan region. So it's like that's why the prophet said, according to all true and divine records, there's no Negro, black, or color race according from the human family. That's but there are true and divine records, the Bible, the Quran, and archaeology that confirms an existence of the Moabite people.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Noble Juwali was ahead of his time, man.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

Ahead of his time. Truly, you even look at again, Noble Juwali emphasizes the Moabites, but also ties in the Canaanites, the Emorites, the Hemazites, and the Hittites. Now, why is that important? When we go back to the early 20th century, the curse of Ham was very popular, it was actually one of the catalysts that was used to justify the enslavement of our people.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Right?

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Yep. So if the prophet, right, only aligns us with Hamitic people, even though we know that like that whole story is basically you know propaganda, it still would have hurt the movement in some way. There's a lot of negative baggage with it, in a sense, right? So the prophet aligning us with the Mobites, who's in the line of Shem, busteps all of the propaganda of the early 20th century. It by steps all of the propaganda of the 20th century when it comes to the curse of Ham. Putting us in the line of Shem, which is the prophetic line, putting us in the family of Abraham, which is the covenant family, all in one. The prophet, he's lining us in the know all in one, and then also again, nobody's claiming the Mobites.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

Okay, okay, so that's what you're saying. So the curse of Shem. Okay, so historically, biblically, you're saying that curse speaks of us. Like basically, we just discarded. Once that curse came upon us, all right, let them, you know, they discarded these people are discarded. Their lights have been turned off as far as the history, but you know what Drew Ali said, hold up. Why did they turn off your head? You know, basically. Okay, so it's the same thing that's taking place today legally on paper. What happened to us when they caught you? They removed you from being called Moorsh to Negro.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

Exactly. So when we look at it again, right? I see the propaganda of the curse of ham was one of the leading catalysts for the justification of the transatlantic slave trade. So by the time you get to the early 20th century, right, the residue of that is still here. You're only talking about 60 years removed from 1865, basically.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

So you're still you're only a generation or two away from slavery from the time of slavery here in the Americas, right? So again, this is why the prophet still aligns us with Canaan, the Emorites, the Hittites, the Hamathites, but he emphasizes that the more Shemericans are Moabites because now we can still have the backing of the civilizational building of Hamitic people while also having the prophetic covenantal protection of being Shemitic people.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Damn. You got me like thinking like, damn.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

The prophet was ahead of his time. He was a prophet. He was a prophet. He was a prophet.

Noble Drew Ali And Islam In America

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Did he did he did like you know, based on history, um, you say he he went through the doing the research of you utilizing the Bible, the Quran, and other historical things? Like, are they um are there any um, and I know I asked that earlier, but are there any writings where he you know confirmed that for his people? Said it again, like writing are are there any quotes from Noble Jali? Any any books that he expounds more about this?

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Well, as far as the scriptures, right? The prophet about the circle seven, it's called um uh the title is this is basically I'm paraphrasing it, it's like uh a piece of religious literature or something like that. But in there, he talks about like why he created the Holy Quran and the more science temple of the earth because he was trying to Americanize the Oriental idea of Islam, right? So now when we look at that, right? Back at that, and again, early 20th century, Islam was seen as like something exotic, belly dances, snake traumas, like the movie Aladdin, right? Yeah, yeah, all of those different things, Arabian Knights, all those different things. So Islam from an Orientalist perspective was painted as something exotic, right? So Nobu Jewali Americanizing the Oriental idea of Islam was now taking Islam as being this exotic eastern magical thing, and now putting it into a people here in the Americas that's about again standing up for the constitution and doing what's right and being helpful and of service to people here in the Americas, while also again honoring all true and divine prophets, uh Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius. Right? So the prophet is covering all bases. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

So that's why I see he would that's why he was stressing nationality over colorism and everything else.

SPEAKER_00 39:49

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 39:49

What's the tie you back? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:51

So what's tying what's tying you back? Because basically, as black people, we quote unquote, we are seen as people that's descended from people that were classed as property. So the whole thing is that, like, okay, Africans had no civilization, Africans never had this, you guys never had nothing, right? So now, if you're trying to build a people back to a level from which they've fallen for, you now have to also as well understanding that we as a people are a mixture of several different tribes, as a one. You're talking about people from Senegal all the way down to Congo, masterpiece of religious literature, yes, secrets of other creeds, yes, right. So you're talking about people that's coming from Senegal all the way down to Congo and Gola region, several different tribes, several different stories, right? So, with that being said, the smart thing to do will be to understand well, what is the relationship between these different people? It's actually our responsibility as people to understand that because we descend from so many of these different tribes, so it's our responsibility to then understand now what is the relationship between these different groups of people, right now, prior to colonialism, the biggest or the closest thing that you can get to Pan-Africanism was the Moorish Islamic Network. Because you Jose Pomenta Bay said is best. You wouldn't have people who are of Fulani descent becoming Yoruba, you wouldn't have people of Yoruba descent becoming Fawn or Vudun, right? But you would have a Yoruba Muslim, a Mande Muslim, a Khan Muslim, a Muslim that was Hausa, a Muslim that was Fulani, a Muslim that was Sonic. You see what I'm saying? And then they would create these trade networks, you see, and create trust. So Islam was the closest theme that we had to this idea of Pan-Africanism, pre-colonialism times, under one rule.

SPEAKER_01 42:12

So no matter what, you know, same house, different rooms, you know what I'm saying? So basically being under the banner of Islam, not modern-day Islam that we know, but being under the banner of Islam, we had an understanding that you can do whatever you want to do over there, but you know, when it comes under this banner, we have this unity, this power. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

We have these interconnected networks of scholars and Sufis, right? There's a there's a everybody look this up. There's a group called the Tortobay. T O R O D D E. Spell it again. T O R O D B E. And the Tortobay, right, were basically a group of Hausa, Mande, Fulani, Sanhaja, and maybe some others, groups of people, priests who came together after the Sherbuba wars and basically spread Islam to create the kingdoms of Futajalong, uh the Sokota Caliphate, all of these different things, right? So the interconnected Islamic network that was of West Africa all had an origin that's going back to the Almordavid dynasty.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

Okay. Okay. Yo, that was the blueprint right there. That's the blueprint. I see what the prophet was doing. I see what he was doing was reconnecting the people, going, like you say, going through the Bible, going through the religious channels of you've been colonized with Christianity under under the oppressor. I'm gonna reconnect you back to your true. Nature of self with this Islam, but I'm still gonna use your Christianity. And why and what you know what was so dope, what he did, that's why I say ahead of his time. People will get the misconception of that, thinking that he wrote the Circle 7. No, he divinely prepared it, he was inspired, but he used the Aquarian gospel of what Levi Dalin, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 44:25

Check that. Even that point, I got a point for that. Levi Dalin wasn't even the first person to talk about that. And if anybody who's read Dr. Jose Pomenta Be's book, Othello's Children in the New World, there was a Russian cat. His name was Mitsovich, or something like that. He talked about it like 30 years prior. So everybody giving all of this credit to Levi Darling. Yeah, you see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 44:54

And when we got a question again, where did a Russian cat get that information from? So I get it's like it's like that Russian doll. You gotta go to the nucleus.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

And he said, Yeah, you know exactly where he said he got it from. Yeah, he said he got it from monks and Tibet.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

Talk about it and where they got that from.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

Right, check it out. If we really want to do it, then look at now, look at the chapters in the circle seven that comes from the book onto D. Grant, the Rosa Crucian book, which is the middle chapters, that's chapter 20, all the way to chapter 44, comes onto D. Grant in the beginning of that book. Guess where they say they got it from? Where people from Tibet. So when a prophet is telling you that these secrets was held back from America, but the miles from India, Palestine, and Africa and Egypt kept these secrets back, but then unlocked the keys and gave it now to the hands of the uh Asiatics of America now for the first time in ages.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

He struck with you. Key word in Asiatics. Oh man. So that's what that's why he was defining as nation, nation, nationhood, and nationality. He was tying you back to your mote to your um more bitus um lineage.

Amorites Migrations And The Fertile Crescent

SPEAKER_00 46:14

Yeah, your ancient your ancient roots. Again, I was saying, so Abraham, Abraham traveled right from Haran down to Canaan into Egypt with Lot. Lot was with him. What that is symbolic. So the biblical story is basically based off of true events. It's not completely true itself, it's more like an analytical mythology of real events, especially the older you go back, especially the older testament. So, with that being said, the Bible talks about how Abraham goes from Ur of the Chaldeez. If you know where that's at, it's it's it's um basically towards um the Gulf of Persia between Iran and where they're fighting at today. Straight around moves all of that. That's what Ur the Child is in the southern part of Mesopotamia. Howun is in the northern part, going up the uh the Euphrates River, either Tigers or the Euphrates, going up towards southern Anatolia, southern Turkey, or or northern Syria, that area, and then they go down into Canaan, and then they go down into Egypt. What that story describes is a migration along the fertile crescent. Now, archaeology-wise, that migration along the fertile crescent is in alignment with real migrations from Amorit people. Remember what I said, Genesis 14? Abraham was in a confederation of Amorites. There's an article out there called Abraham the Amorites. So now what that means is it was the Amorites, right, that are the real archaeological people that now you get the early patriarch Israelite stories from. Let me explain how. So again, Genesis chapter 14 shows that Abraham was in a confederation of Emorites, right? Archaeologically wise, there's a group of Amorites called the Alamu. A H L A M U. A H L A M U. The Alamu, archaeologically wise, have been designated as a group of Amorites, and from out of the Alamu, you get the Aramaean. Okay. The Aramai is where Abraham told Isaac, go to my homeland and find a wife. And then Isaac then tells Jacob to do the same thing. Go to my homeland and find a wife. That's what Jacob then marries Rachel and Leah, who was the son, who were the daughters of through Abraham's brother Nahor. Who was married to Lot's sister Milka in the Bible. Right? So understanding what I just said. Abraham's people, archaeologically wise, and intermixing. Real, real, you can look it up. Real uh rock art, uh, stone tablets show that they are a division of Emirite people. Right? So if Abraham and Lot and Moab all come from the same people, right? Boom. This is the connection with the Moabites and the Canaanites and the Emirites. Then the Bible talks about how Og, right, the Amorite king, ruled apart of Moab. So, like the Bible is telling you what's going on, what was happening archaeologically wise in real life. If you understand if you match the story with the archaeological record, but not trying to match it exactly, but understand the context of where the information is coming from with the archaeological record.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

Oh, I see it. And this is what we the situation that we're in today, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

And this is the position that we in today. Go further. You got a question, my bad.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

No, no, no, no, real quick. I being that you know this Islam was you know is ours, is brought to us, Noble Jew Ali was reconnecting us back to our true nature of man, what's worship and of self, do you think that narrative is understood amongst the so-called Arabs today? Or they or do they do they respect it, like see us? Like say our say the version of Noble Drew Ali's version of Islam. You think the the mainstream Arab world that practice Islam will accept that?

SPEAKER_00 51:42

Well, even within the Arab world itself, there are divisions of interpretations and understanding.

SPEAKER_03 51:50

Yeah, I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

Uh so with that being said, uh the closest, the closest example to our perspective as being Muslims, I would say, outside of Sufism, of course, is the Ahmadiyya movement. Now, the Ahmadiyya movement by some Muslims, they're not seen as Muslims either. Some uh some other Muslims do see them as Muslims, right? But they have a global network now. They're they're they're all over the world. The Ahmadiyya movement has mos all over the world. So with that being said, some may not accept what we're trying to say, some will, and some may not accept what we're trying to say based off of ignorance, and some may not accept what we're trying to say because they know it's truth and they don't want to admit it. And the Quran talks about that as well. That there were Jews when Prophet Muhammad was on the scene, peace and blessings be upon him, that knew that Muhammad was the fulfillment of a prophecy and still chose to not align themselves with them. Because again, when a prophet comes, it's coming to challenge a power structure that is taking advantage of the people. So now, when you are the power structure being called out for taking advantage of the people, you get defensive, and now you want to kill the prophet. Yep, that's a fact.

SPEAKER_01 53:34

Now I respect that. I only ask that because you know, not only no boy Drew Ali, but I hear it from Elijah Muhammad's old speeches and um Farrakhan where they say, you know, this is the Islam that's tailored for the so-called black man that will liberate him. So I I get it. Now that you put it in proper context, when I'm getting it, like, oh, that's why they were saying that. This is your Islam.

SPEAKER_05 53:58

Indeed. 100%.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

Okay, got you, got you. Oh my god. Bro, you just blew you just blew my mind, bro.

SPEAKER_00 54:05

It's like every every culture has its container for understanding their religion, right? Muslims from Indonesia are uh probably won't have the same exact outlook from Muslims from Iran, from Muslims from Jordan, from Muslims from Algeria, from Muslims from Nigeria. Right? They they might have some different outlooks on things, so no different than us, and we don't need to put all our eggs in the basket on people accepting our version. We just have to be who we are, and eventually there will be some understanding.

SPEAKER_01 54:47

No, no, I see it. No, trust me. I you know, people had a misconception of the Moors because what they seen online, and I'm not knocking those who take the different approach because you know they got you got this more that do with civics. Um, some I don't want to disrespect them by calling them renegades whatsoever, but those that take the teaching, they go somewhere else with it, and you got those that follow the Moore Science Temple of America. So I see it as just different. It's one picture, everybody had different perspectives on what it should be. So I kind of respect it more. You know what I'm saying? What the more spiritual aspect of it because you know, spiritually, when you do things spiritually, it resonates and it changes things on all levels on the layer, not just focusing on one part.

SPEAKER_00 55:29

So it I get it controls, thought is the cause of all things, thought is the cause of all things. So the the state of your mind will then determine the state of your worries and actions, and that's why we're in the position that we're in, because the state of mind of our people continues to cling to principles and practices that delude to slavery.

SPEAKER_01 55:56

That's a fact. What does this person mean right here? Oran fatwa of 1504. I gotta look that up.

SPEAKER_00 56:01

Oran fatwa of 1504 was a fatwa that was given um by the Moroccan Sultan at that time for people that were uh forced to convert to Catholicism in uh Andalusia, modern day Spain and Portugal.

SPEAKER_01 56:15

All right, gotcha. Alright, no, now stuff is coming in. People are bringing in the questions now. Crip Jesus, shout out to Crip Jesus, man. The blue Bible. He said, Do you think Moors of MST MSTA will ever perform Salat?

SPEAKER_03 56:29

Oh, the brother connection.

SPEAKER_06 56:34

Yeah, Crip Jesus. You back?

SPEAKER_03 56:39

I don't think he oh look he's on the screen. I think the brother he he lost connection.

SPEAKER_01 56:50

Alright. Alright, please the creator bumper list for the super chat. We appreciate you, brother. We made you many nations come together as one Uma. Alright, he he's coming back on his phone. I think his laptop died. Alright, brother.

SPEAKER_00 57:06

Yeah, my laptop definitely died.

SPEAKER_01 57:08

Alright, I had a question for you. Crip Jesus said, Do you think again?

SPEAKER_00 57:12

Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_01 57:13

Yeah, I can hear you. He said, Do you think the Moors are the MS? Can you hear me? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can hear you. You're good. I don't think I can hear you though. Let me see. Technical difficulties, my people. Bear with us. Say something now. Alright, can you hear me now? No, bro. That's crazy. Uh, how about now? Can you hear now? You may have to go put the microphone on.

SPEAKER_03 57:45

Oh, you can't even hear me. I'm sorry, my people.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

We're gonna try to give him like another five minutes to see if he could get on.

SPEAKER_00 58:01

What up, baby?

SPEAKER_06 58:02

Let me plug my charger back on. And the Shi'ates established the most prestigious Islamic university in Kemet. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 58:23

Thank you for that information. Don't worry, y'all give it another five minutes to see if you can answer your questions in comments.

SPEAKER_01 58:32

Don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe, super chats. We have merch. Share this show. Run up the likes. We have more coming on the way, and I appreciate everyone's input on this. Cause you know, we all don't know all the information, but we do appreciate hearing different perspectives. And when you whenever you guys comment, you know, it feels good, man, to see people on game knowing what's going on and adding on, man.

SPEAKER_03 59:00

That's how we teach the future.

SPEAKER_01 59:04

Future, I mean our babies and control our narrative, you know. So it's dope. I appreciate that. I don't think the brother's coming back on. Oh, he's trying to get his things together. Alright. There he goes again. Alright, Morio.

SPEAKER_03 59:24

Can you hear me now? Yeah, I can hear you. I just don't uh lost connection, bro.

SPEAKER_06 59:30

Yep. Alright. Um yeah, the brother. All right, there he goes.

SPEAKER_01 59:46

Trying to get him back on people.

unknown 59:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 59:48

All right. All right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:50

So we know we got one minute.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

Yeah, we got what we we could go five minutes. I'll give you five minutes to get back.

SPEAKER_00 59:57

All right, Matt. So the brother said, Do you think Moors of the MSTA will ever perform Salat?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

Or Hajj.

Should Moors Pray Salat

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

Or Hajj. Well, let me show you something. Chapter 35, Holy Quran of the Moore Science Tibet of America, verse 15, it says, Pay therefore to his wisdom all honor and veneration, and bow down thyself in humble and submissive obedience to his supreme discretion. So the circle seven tells Moors, Moorish Americans to prostrate, to bow down ourselves to humble obedience and submission. So you should be making salat.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

Alright, got this one right here. I'm Shiite Muslim and I honor the Prophet Noble Drew Ali. Peace. Peace. Islam. Peace to the peace to the um Sufis, the Shiites, and the Sunnis, man. One love, man. Um definitely creative um abundance. Again, thank you again for the super chat. Said we made you many nations to come together under one um and um and and the Shias established the most prestigious Islamic university. Allah Kemet. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

Talking about Allah. The prophet mentions that too, and more historical measures to America. Alright, it was they who built that Baghdad and Cairo, the most renowned universities in the world.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:28

Definitely. And they say peace and love can't wait to reunite as Asiatic people, regardless of our beliefs. One thing, one science prove is that we carry the flame period as a global power. Oh my god, so beautifully said. That's a fact. Yo, you know, that that that bothers me a lot because um we some other nations, you said Israelites. I tend to see some Israelites, from what I see on YouTube, will not unite with an African. Some of them will have a problem with an African. And I'd be like, you know, why? Based on doctrine and what you believe. Okay. You could say that based on your theology, but here, why you while we're here in the wilderness of America, that is my brother. You gotta understand you got one common enemy. And I'm not saying the common enemy is white supremacy. I'm not speaking from a uh racial standpoint. I'm just saying that those that abuse the people out there, that's the enemy right there. Um, and we need to we need to we need to quit that, man, and work with one another. You know what I'm saying? We are Crippy just saying we are not Israelites. I hear you crypt. I hate Crypt, Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

We Moabites, I can I could put together this whole thing in a summary, we can get up out of here.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

Definitely. Go ahead, God.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:49

All right, so whole the whole thing in a summary, right? The importance of again of us understanding that we are Moabites, right? And why the prophet chose Moabites versus right Israelites, right? Everybody's trying to be an Israelite versus Ishmaelites, right? The Arabs are trying to be Ishmaelites and claiming all these different things, right? Looking at uh the Edomites, right? Edomites, they're basically they they've mixed in with the Romans, they have all of this negative baggage in the scriptures. The Melechites, same thing, kind of known as an enemy in all of these different things, right? But it is Moabites, it is the Moabites that again has a contentious relationship with the Israelites, but also have a friendly relationship with the Israelites, as well as understanding that Ruth the Moabitis is the matriarch for the house of David. And also understanding that the Lord in the Bible says that Moab will be restored, right? Also, then understanding that Moab set in the cross cross-barrier of where Mesopotamia, Arabia, Egypt, and ancient Canaan was at us absorbing all of these different connections, and then the prophet then sells us that again the Moabites were all right, boom, forced to go west due to Joshua, right? And now these people then now becomes the Moors proper, right? So you have uh Greek historians like Salaus who talks about how uh the more the Maury people are a mixture between uh the Libyans that were there and Hercules and his army of Medes. Now, on the surface, right, you thinking you probably thinking these are the European people or things like that, but most people don't understand that Hercules in the Greek uh mythology, in the Carthaginian mythology, Hercules is Melcart, a Carthaginian warrior god, right? And then the Medes, right, these are just so all of the Persians, the Medes, the Assyrians, all of these near eastern uh empires at different points in time ruled the land of Canaan because it was a central spot of trade. So, on top of the Egyptian influence, the Mesopotamian influence, the Assyrian influence, the Persian influence, all these different influences, the people in this area, Canaan, Moab, right, they were um intermingled with different cultures. Just because he's saying Medes don't mean we're talking about different people. That's just them from their Greek perspective. So, in understanding that the Moors being connected to the Moabites isn't something that the prophet just pulled out of his fest. He's showing that the civilizational complex that existed in the Near East. Also traded with the West, and now when these two cultures merge, right, this then now becomes the principal Moorish people, which then now becomes the intellectual, Islamic, economical, spiritual backbone of all West Africans traffic to the Americas in the transatlantic slave trade.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

Beautifully said, my brother. Thank you. Yo, yeah, yeah, give it up for the for the brother Morreel Smith. Oh man, he came out here, he did his thing, the brother knocked it out, dropped some good information for us, man. We appreciate you, man. I appreciate y'all every time.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:48

Indeed. And that's and that's a and that's a clear, right? That's a clear connection that uh he's bringing up because Christian chronicles at that time did refer to Moors as Moabites. Even here's the key. Even um, I believe it's Peter Martiro or Angliero, one of the early Spanish chroniclers, when they come to Florida, right? He sends a letter back to the King of Spain at the time. And he says that La Florida, not just the modern state of Florida, La Florida was Florida, South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, parts of Mexico, like basically the whole Gulf region was La Florida. He says in this letter that this land of La Florida was possessed by Morbites, Canaanites, and Hittites. So now you have Spanish Chronicler in the 1100s, 1200s equating Morbite style mortivates, and then you get to the 1500s, and now the Spanish, there's a different Spanish chronicle now relating the lands of Florida to be connected to the Moabites and Canaanites as well. So showing you again, this is what the Spanish thought where the connections were at as far as like biblical history, right? So they're also connecting uh the Moors to the Moabites. But the closest thing, so when you look at the term Moabite, the term Amorivi, Amoravi is connected to the term Maraboot, and the Marabouts again, these are the uh Sufis that then created the network of Islam in West Africa. So every literally every West African mosque, madrasa, city had a marabout, which comes from this term Al Mortavid, which was basically the clear uh Moorish ruler of Spain and Portugal during the time of the 11th century.

Closing Thanks And Calls To Action

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

Got you, brother. We gotta do a part two because there's a lot of people that come up. We gotta do a part two. People, you know, we gave y'all extra some time, extra 10 minutes. Hope you enjoy it. Go back, rewind it. If you got any comments, leave it in the comment section or the video. More Smith, brother L, you gotta come back. I appreciate you for coming out, man. Showing love. Our listeners and viewers, thank you very much. Comment, like, share, subscribe. This is NYP. We appreciate the super chats again. Y'all leave in peace. Return back to us in peace. And with that being said, we out. One.