Ancient Free Moorish Rite Explained: History, Origins & Meaning

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Welcome And Why This Matters

SPEAKER_04 0:21

What's going on, everybody out there? It's Rob Brown LMT, the People's Fitness Professional, Longside, the host Mikey Beaver in the building. This is the first time we was on the same podcast for a little minute now, right?

SPEAKER_03 0:34

Of course, man. Of course, man. Dynamic Duo.

SPEAKER_04 0:37

Dynamic Duo. Now we got the brother I kept back in the building with the ancient pre Moorish right. Finally, I got that. I got that. Finally, I got it. Yo, let's drop a bomb.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

I'm an honorary member, man. I'm supposed to join them at first, man. 2018. I missed that ball, man. Missed that caller.

SPEAKER_04 1:05

We've been building with a cat on this platform probably two years now, right? That's right. Yeah, man. Yo, thanks for the support, brother. Why's Dome TV in the building? What's up, man? We're about to do a podcast with that brother. We need to open that pan-african gate on this, on this, on this platform. Oh, yeah. That's that's one thing that we are not we are not dealing with too much of. We need to really deal with that. We need to build on that. Anyway, let's get to it. Um, hold on one second.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

Got the brothers in the building.

SPEAKER_04 1:46

All right, hold on one second. So, how you doing, brother? I get yes, sir.

SPEAKER_06 1:50

I'm doing well, brother. I'm doing well by the creator's blessings. You know, good to be with you tonight, good to be with your audience. We're honored and blessed to uh be able to share again and build bridges. And you know, we look forward to building with you, brothers. We got our brother Abdullah here tonight, and we have our L Day Supreme Grand Commander here tonight. So we look forward to engaging with you, brothers, and you know, thank your audience and thank you for having us here. But I'm well, brother, I'm ready to fit.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

Likewise, likewise, appreciate it. That's an honor to be with you guys as well, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

Yes, sir. So I know we spoke about like the basics of ancient free moorish right, right? But I want to go over it again for those who missed it. You haven't been on the platform in some time. So I want to just go over just the basics. Um, so when did ancient free moorish right start? Started by whom? And um, yeah, we could just take it from that point.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

That's cute.

SPEAKER_06 2:56

Yes, sir. Well, with that, you know, it will start at the beginning, and you know, we're honored tonight to have our Supreme Grand Commander, Aliem L Day, here in the building to uh talk about the Morse, right? Because he was there from the beginning and is still here now. So um I'll turn the floor over to my L Day to start us off tonight. Peace, L Day.

Dr. Clifford E. Hazel Bey Origins

SPEAKER_05 3:22

Uh yes, peace. And uh thank you, Brother Alquette. Uh thank you, Mikey Fever, Ron Brown. Um, again, I'm gonna echo Brother Arquette that it's uh it's always uh an honor to be here, and we appreciate your venue and um how we can uh you know make ourselves known to yet another audience. So that's um that's good, and um we like that and uh appreciate your questions, right? Um we we always say in the ancient remorse, right, that it starts with Dr. Clifford E. Hazel Bay. And um to to to uh talk about him um in full measure, uh could even uh require a dissertation. Um but we do want to make sure that people are familiar with Dr. Cliffy D. Hazel Bey. And um even people who have the leanest interest or curiosity about the ancient Fremors right, they should know, and it's prudent that they should know Dr. Cliffy D. Hazel Bey and his legacy. So it starts with him. Um he was a um Scottish right, Freemason, career Freemason, uh very high degree Freemason. And um not only that, that he was a um a bishop, uh, you know, minister, imam, you know, all of the above. Um he was a spiritualist, uh angiologist and a spiritualist, if you will. Um so he was uh just a very impactful and special person um uh in in our lives and to a lot of people. And um it begins with him. In uh in 1995, he began to uh do the actual footwork of um recruiting people, bringing people together, and um to you know actually start the ancient free moors right. Um so in 95, um I got with him and we got together and um we did a lot of research for maybe three to four or five years, and um uh basically researching about the presence of Moors in Masonic history, right? Which was uh something that was obscured, maybe it still is to a degree, um uh you know, was not popularized. And so for many people uh Moors uh did not even have a historical presence in Freemasonry, right? So generally when people would look at uh black or African American or Negro Freemasonry, uh they would start uh respectively with uh the Prince Hall Freemasons. Well, Dr. Hazel was uh concerned that people should know that Freemasonry is an African phenomenon and not a European phenomenon.

SPEAKER_04 7:21

As is one second, one second.

SPEAKER_05 7:24

Talk about it. Right, okay, appreciate that. Um, you know, this is just uh uh you know, just accounting, uh, you know, for Doc as we call him affectionately. Uh so he said that, you know, and also too that um uh you know in in modern day that there were uh fraternal efforts um all over uh America that maybe didn't get the um the uh uh uh coverage, let's say, that Prince Hall may have gotten, right? And and this is no bash or anything against Prince Hall, you know, but you just did have other uh uh you know uh black, Moorish fraternal efforts uh looking to do good things in the various communities, um in answer to some of the uh racism in America, um early 19th century, transitioning 20th century. You know, so a lot of uh uh uh efforts out there from uh fraternities. So the Morse right becomes that around 2001, right? Uh we're in that stream, and it was something that Dr. Hazel had nurtured um for about 20 years or more of his at that time 40-year Masonic career. He was very, very dedicated to uh spirituality, to upliftment, to Freemasonry, to the creator.

What The Moorish Rite Is

SPEAKER_04 9:25

Now, to I want to interject, I'm sorry. So I want to say this what how he you said he basically grew this this this um organization 20 years, right? Now what's the basics? Like, what's the basic foundation? Like, for instance, in the 5% nation, the basic foundation is the supreme mathematics, right? So, and in Moorish science, the basic foundation would be love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice, it would be the circle seven, and it would be the 101, right? Um, in the nation of Islam is supreme wisdom. So, what would be the basic foundation of the ancient free moorish right? If you could if you could uh share that with the public, if you can't, that's fine.

SPEAKER_05 10:19

Yeah, sure, it could be shared, and to um just stay in alignment with what you laid out uh with ancient free moorish right, it's freemasonry set to a Moorish agenda, which had with something that was normally again obscured or unknown or uncovered. It's Freemasonry, you know, not to be mistaken, but set to a Moorish agenda, predicated upon the Freemasonry that our ancestors practiced. Okay, good. That I like button.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

Can I add something to that? I I I see it as it's with all due respect, because I'm a traveling man myself, it's it's different from what we know as mainstream masonry, because of what the Europeans bought into the 1800s. So, as you say, it ties you back to your lineage, your heritage, and it's tailored for our people.

SPEAKER_05 11:16

Yes, basically, got you. And and that's that's the being set, like you set the stone to the uh Moorish agenda. So it is uh certainly that, and like you said, brother Mikey fever, it is different, it is different, albeit it's it's still Freemasonry, a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 11:48

Okay, so now when you go into Freemasonry, from what I know, um, you know, you you basically you're vetted, and then you're brought into the lodge, and then you know, um, you know, then you are you're into the printers and you get the catechism, and you have to memorize the catechism for the first degree. So is it the same structure? And if so, if you can give us an idea of something that your catechism would say, being that it is basically Moorish centered.

SPEAKER_05 12:33

Um okay, that's an interesting uh question, somewhat of a uh disclosure. Yeah, we have a degree system, you know. Of course, you know, to be Masonic, you must have a degree system, right? And um we have uh a ritual. We utilize our own ritual because we're a Masonic right. As a true Masonic right, you must be practicing your own ritual, right? Now, a tag to that with Dr. Hazel is he would say, if you're not practicing your own Freemasonry, then whose Freemasonry are you practicing? Right now, we have uh, if you will, literature, uh uh Brother Ron Brown, that um some of it you could say is catechismic, some of it. Um, but our ritual, of course, would um spawn uh any kind of catechism. But in the ancient Fremorse Right, Dr. Heizao was not too in favor of uh a kind of catechism that was playing around or fooling around with things, right? So he he um he frowned on on that, and he wanted us to have more like a straight-laced way of communicating with one another, of talking with one another. So let's say if you were to run into a uh Morris Wright Freemason, and you thought you recognize him, and he recognized you. We don't have the kind of catechism that we would challenge each other. Okay, I'm gonna see what you know. Our catechism would be how we recognize one another, the legitimacy of our recognition of each other, not through a stream of challenging me. So you're gonna you you're gonna put so many questions to me to find out who I am, so the catechism would be laced with a lot of uh metaphor, you know, who turned the lights on in your house, you know, what do you know about Joe's beef and all that? So I'm not looking to mock that. I came from out of the uh uh traditional Freemasonic system, and I I did all that. Dr. Hazel leaned away from that, so I couldn't go into you, I couldn't go in right now, brothers, of how we would recognize each other and maybe what exchange, verbal exchange we would have, but it is there, and I could disclose something uh simple as um, hey brother, you know, I see you're a navigator or you a sailor. Um at least according to my observations, you know, that's that's what you know compels me to greet you, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 15:57

Even the terms to interject um ties you back to your Morris nineage as far as navigating the seas and everything, the terms that's to use. So I I completely respect what the ancient Moorish rite represents. You get and that's that's me coming in. I'm I'm neither Prince Hall, but that's coming from somebody who practice traditional masonry. I always respected how they function, especially um Clifford Um Hazel Bay, Mahiras in peace, peace be upon him from watching.

SPEAKER_05 16:25

Huh? So character is nautical. You can say that it's seafaring, yeah. Um, but then I'll I'll I'll throw a spin in here, right? Um, while it is a nautical and seafaring character, there is also an architectural component, and so I'll I'll just leave that to uh uh you know people's imagination or investigation.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Gotcha. That's peace, that's peace. That's peace. Yeah, anything you want to add on a cat?

SPEAKER_06 17:02

Sorry, um no, no, I I think L Day summed it up, you know, perfectly, right there, beloved.

Angelo Solomon And Moorish Influence

SPEAKER_03 17:07

All right. I want to I know that we have um in traditional masonry, they have Hiram Abiff, a figure, right? That that that's represented within the within um mainstream masonry. Who is Angelo Solomon in ancient remorse, right?

SPEAKER_05 17:27

Um, you know, I'll I'll I'll go, I'll give a little bit, brother, and if you know you want to chime into that, or if any uh brother master you chime into that as well. Um Hiram Abiff is an allegorical figure in traditional Freemasonry, or like as you said, mainstream Freemasonry. Hiram Abiff was not an actual person, right? But we we love and we respect the Hiramic allegory, you know, and I know you know the allegory, right knows it, you know, the three Raffreens and Hiram is the master builder, you know, just beautiful um um information uh put together by Dr. Anderson, uh, you know, uh and especially for the Freemasons and the people of that time, right? Um so that's uh brother Ron Brown, that's Hiram Abiff. Uh Angelo Solomon was a real flesh and blood human being. He is not uh the subject or the uh character of allegory. He really lived uh in Vienna, Austria in the uh uh 1600 uh 16th century. Um he was a real uh person. Um he was a real Freemason and um he has a very interesting uh sonic uh history as well as an interesting life. You know, he was a uh uh polyglot, um he was a chess champion, he was a grandmaster, although some Freemasons out there debate that grandmastership for him. Um, but you know, we'd be looking to take that on, and Brother Cat has taken that on with uh several brothers and you know would win that. Um so he he's the real person. Now, you know, brother uh Ron, we do have uh an allegorical um character who is not Hiram, but he's Arium. Ariam Abeth Be. Phonetically, right, resonating with Hiram Abith, right? But we do have an allegorical uh character, Angelo Solomon, though, back to your question, he was a real person, he was a real flesh and blood person, and he um braved and challenged uh the racial uh uh uh concepts of the um 18th century. I'm sorry, I might have said 16th century, um at the time. Um and he stood out as a citizen in Vienna. You know, you could say um um that he was um that he was a uh lone sheep, right in a sea of uh Europe. You know, there was a movie based on Angelo Solomon, however, not the ones that have come out lately. And I'm not gonna call the movie out, but there's some older popular American movies where one of them is very, very popular, it was based on Angelo Solomon. Uh not exclusively, but it was a it was a a part of uh uh not an incidental part, but a part of the uh the classic movie, and it was a uh a so-called Negro in that movie, and that was based on Angelo Sandman. So he was a real person.

Ritual As Mental Reprogramming

SPEAKER_04 21:35

Gotta be thinking now got us thinking now. Yes, I have a question about how what's the benefit of becoming a part of your organization. So the reason why I asked about the catechism is because I know that the catechism subconsciously it kind of reshapes your character. Through through memorization. So, not kind of, that's what it does. So, what I want to know is you know, with all of these organizations that I've come in contact with, that's the focus, the subconscious mind for the for the most part, I would say. Um, uh, of course, the conscious and the subconscious mind, but mainly the subconscious mind to kind of re-reprogram. So I would assume that that's exactly what's going on with this organization. Now, what are the techniques of uh reprogramming a uh member?

SPEAKER_05 22:37

Man, I I I I I love that question, brother LeBron Brown. You know, you're on it, man. Um, wow. Um, you know, put it this way our entire uh ritual, uh first ritual of the Asiatic degree, right, deals exclusively with the cerebral hemispheres. Right? Exclusively, right? You would just have to know that that's what it's dealing with, right? Now, generally in Masonic literature, especially Masonic uh rituals, you have what is called the sophomoric method. The sophomoric method is another uh uh verbal technique or or um um um technology, if you will, that deals with left brain, right brain. So when I come to you and I go, What was that? You said it was this, and I say, What was that one? And what was this one? And why was it that? To be this and to be that. Well, what did you learn by that? What we are actually doing is exercising right brain, left brain.

SPEAKER_03 23:55

Call and response.

SPEAKER_05 23:56

Yes, sir. Yeah, because they that was call and response, you know, and that's what that is, it's the left brain, right brain exercise. Uh, I'll share, sure, within the uh uh Moores Wright ritual, again, especially on our Asiatic degree, it is almost exclusively um left brain, right brain. Um I don't want to say activation, I mean it that should be the result, but it's up to the individual, but it's left brain, right brain stimulation. That's what it is. So that you're talking about, it's not missed in the Morse right, it is perhaps even more pronounced, especially in our Asiatic degree ritual.

Clearing Up The Hypnosis Rumors

SPEAKER_04 24:49

Okay, and the Asiatic degree ritual that's peace. So now uh there were some other things that I've heard about uh brother Cyrus was talking about you know hypnosis. So, you know, I know that's what he does as a profession. Um, and you know, that's um that's a uh a skill he has that's that that could that could change lives, you know. Now do you have anything similar to that as far as reshaping the conscious mind, uh subconscious mind? Is it is it just the first degree or or uh as you go more in depth in the degrees, it's more is more uh exercises for the brain.

SPEAKER_05 25:39

Yeah, as an organization, as ancient remarks right, we don't get into hypnosis, it has nothing to do with the Morse right. We respect that brother Cyrus as a professional that's what he does, and I'm led to to think that he's very good at it, right? Um but uh as a as a Masonic right and as an organization, we don't get into that. There's nothing um in the ancient free morse right that um accounts for any kind of hypnosis or for any kind of um uh situation or circumstance whereby an individual is being uh controlled or even influenced without his own will and consent. We do not deal with hypnosis. That's not a part of the Morse right. You have individuals that are in their personal and professional lives, they're into uh various uh uh professions, right? Um, and some people sometimes they may uh try to cross-pollinate those professions with uh Freemasonry, especially you know, with the Morris right, but it's not with all due respect to uh Brother Cyrus, you know, I I know what he does. I used to be good friends with one of the top brothers, a black man, uh uh hypnologist in the world. And um, so I do know very much up close uh what Brother Cyrus does, and I appreciate it, but it's not uh has nothing to do with with the ancient free motor. None whatsoever. We don't get into that and we would not get into that. Um, we don't feel that that is um honorable when it comes to Freemasonic practice and study we wouldn't undermine another person's goals or ambitions or even what step they're going to take next.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Okay, so uh another question: what makes it more moorish? When you say more Moorish, maybe perhaps you could clarify that. Okay, what makes the ancient pre-moorish right more of a Moorish right than a just like just a basic Mason right? You get what I'm saying? So it's not it's not necessarily Masonry a more African-centered, if you will, or Moorish centered. So, what would make it more Moorish?

SPEAKER_03 28:40

Oh, I'm adding on to that too.

SPEAKER_05 28:42

Um, all right, brother Mikey, would you wanna would you want to go with that?

SPEAKER_03 28:45

I I say with with all due respect, it's not like they didn't have to get pardon or um authorization from a lodge in England, basically. Like, how can you tell me to practice my practice and give me authorization? Something that's my craft, my sciences, and no disrespect to Prince Hall. I want to make that clear, but that's what it is basically saying this is our our right, not something not mainstream, no disrespect to the Masons out there, but I just want to make that clear.

SPEAKER_04 29:11

Yeah, sure, I'm sure. But when I'm thinking, when I think Moorish, I'm thinking, you know, you know, the Moors, the the you know, the historical Moors. So, you know, if it as far as that culture is concerned, is it in the right? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

SPEAKER_05 29:33

It is the the Moorish Masonic culture that we've researched is in the Moorish right. Now, I'll take that a little further. The Moorish Masonic culture is in mainstream Freemasonry, even now. You asked earlier about Angelo Solomon, and Angelo Solomon uh became a Freemason in Harmony Lodge in Vienna, Austria. Um, and when he became Grandmaster, and if any of the brothers are listening, I I put myself out here before for this debate if you want to have it. When he became grandmaster, he influenced through his writing the Masonic literature of that day, right? And it is the according to the Morse right and according to other historians, it is the Solomonic style that has influenced European Freemasonry. So he being a Moor and being consciously a Moore, being very aware, right, of his Moorish lineage and who he was. Now it does not mean that because of that, that Freemasonry is still not universal, is which is its primary claim, right? That it's universal, it's uh universal brotherhood and a universal um knowledge and understanding. But Angelo Solomon wrote in that style. So I just uh sort of hinted at um uh that style brother um Brown, that cerebral hemisphere, uh we could we can get very deep with that um as a Moorish phenomenon. Uh prior to Angelo Solomon, um the uh Masonic uh literature was crude, right? And it did not investigate, it didn't peer into the scientific realm of the mind. Right? It didn't get into the scientific understanding of even the ways and the workings and the inner and outer workings and crossings of the creator's work, and it didn't go there. Angelo Solomon brought that uh scientific spectre to European Freemasonry, and that is what makes it Moorish for the Moorish right, we do have uh Moorish uh signatures and some cultural motif, right? You would get the same if if you were Scottish right, French right, Lithuanian right. You know, I I can't say what each of those rights highlight because that would be violating certain oaths for me. Even if I took them as a traditional Freemason, whatever, I still will not break those oaths, right? Um, but with the Morse right, it's the same. But you would have to know and recognize you could go into the Scottish right. Oh, I know a lot of brothers, right? I'm talking about brothers, black men studying the Scottish right. But if I were to say, what is the signature, the Masonic signature of the Scottish people which are in the your Freeman founding practice, and they they don't know and that's not something we look down on them about because it's just not emphasizing like that. But what what is it about the Scots and that you being a Scottish right Freemason or a York right or whatever that might be, what was the primary character of those people, you know, throughout the uh uh uh uh annals of history. So uh a lot of times people wouldn't know, but therein, maybe I'm sharing something with you, that's where you find uh, you know, you notice the no the nomenclature of Freemasonry, right? Why is it there like that? French right, Lithuanian right, German right, American right, Scottish right, you know, you name it, why is that nomenclature there? Why is it cultural like that? Because of course it has something to do with the culture of those people. But if you were to say to a lot of people, well, what are you doing today that memorializes within that right? What are you doing today that memorializes those uh those people in that culture? Like people be like, I don't know, it's it's uh it's Freemasonry. That's what they might know. But there is something within the Morse right too that memorializes, canonizes uh the Moors of antiquity.

Degrees Differences And Masonry Stigma

SPEAKER_04 35:14

All right, now I want to kind of go into two questions coming from the one of them is a statement that I want to address. One is a question, so um uh the God sincere asks, so y'all have the same degrees as all Masons. No, we don't.

SPEAKER_05 35:36

We don't. We have different we have a different degree system. Uh my brother. Um, it's it's it's not the same, it's a different degree system.

SPEAKER_04 35:47

That sounds so interesting. That sounds super interesting. Now, um, this brother right here said peace to the Moors and the lost five percent. The Masons I have nothing to say to them. Peace. Now, the reason why I brought this up here is because compass is to come past, my brother. Okay, so real, I just want to address your uh statement. Um, I don't know if this is coming from this place, so if I'm wrong, brother, who made the statement, let me know. But it says the Masons, I have nothing to say to them. So, from that, what came to mind was Masons got this bad, like rap, I'm telling you, yeah, got a bad rap bad stigma placed upon them, and the little bit I did in Masonry, I haven't seen anything that's like out of the ordinary. It's really, if if technically speaking, if you really think about it, if you've been in all of these schools of thought, they all have a degree of uh how can I say um code of conduct that's similar to masonry, they have a code of conduct that's similar to masonry. It's like all of them, every last one of them that I've talked about five percenters, even though five percenters they don't deal with a lot of paperwork and such like that, however, there's a code of conduct, like you can't talk to certain people, like you can talk to everybody, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, but certain information you're not gonna get from the gods or the earths because who are you?

SPEAKER_03 37:34

You know where that comes from, brother Ron.

SPEAKER_04 37:37

One one second, Mike. Pardon me. I just wanted to finish this thought. The same thing with with uh the the um uh Morris science. When you go into Morris Science, they'll deal with you, you get your nationality card, however, you still have to build trust, you still have to build trust there. Same thing in the nation of Islam, so it's it's it's the same in that regard. So I don't like like the Masons are are everyone's secretive to a certain degree, everyone's secretive to a certain degree. You're not gonna just come into my house and into my life, and I'm gonna just give you all of my secrets and everything that I know, and that's precious to me. That's right. So everyone's guarded in a sense, everyone has a wall up, that's human nature. So to put that on Masons like they're just some secretive group of people who you know conceal the truth and they they they blood suck the poor and all this, that's a that's that that that I nah, I don't see it that way. And you said I'm not talking about the black Masons, okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:53

All right, you clarified it because I was gonna say, as Chris Brown said, how you gonna hate outside the club, you can't even get in. What happened is you you have one person that was spoiled for the whole bunch, again, and with the problem with humanity, people don't understand something, they fear it, they cast um you know suspense behind it and they speculate and come up with these conspiracies, which is not true. I mean, I've been traveling for about four years. I have yet to see any demon, any goat, only goat. I know it's the brand architect of the universe. That's it. So therefore, I don't know what people be talking about there, and especially when it comes to us people of color, it's like people have a problem when they see us practicing something that's yours. The European, with all due respect, is studying you. Okay, that comes from our science. You go into you go into masonry, you hear thought talks of um depending on what right depending on the jurisdiction or the obedience, you hear them talk about ancient Egypt, Kemet pyramids or such. You get what I'm saying? Man, this country was built by Masons, and yet you have to understand many of our ancestors were involved in the building of this nation. That's right, whether they were Moors from Benjamin Banneker with the almanic and all that stuff. All these people were travelers. CM Bay, people gotta stop it. That's the problem, Ron.

SPEAKER_04 40:15

You know where I think that comes from? I think that comes from I could be wrong. I think that comes from you know, the supreme wisdom with you know, and and and uh, you know, the uh Mr. Um Honorable Elijah Muhammad wasn't a fan, so to speak, of Mason or Masonry. He wasn't he wasn't necessarily a fan of Masonry.

SPEAKER_03 40:39

Wasn't a traveling man himself? Huh? He was one himself, I believe.

SPEAKER_04 40:43

Yeah, I would I would say I wouldn't say that. I I would say that I would say maybe from what I know, maybe his earlier years maybe he dabbled a little bit, but but after that, nah, once he once once he once once he uh uh uh him and um yeah, he left it alone. Yeah, he left it alone. Once once he started dealing with WD Farad and then the nation of Islam and creating that and building that, that was it. He actually spoke he's actually spoke against Masonry.

SPEAKER_03 41:18

I'm gonna say it's a respect. I read this book, and people read um, you know, get a chance to read, uh, like you said, like Supreme Wisdom, and then if you and most Masons will get it. When I look at both Catechism and Supreme Wisdom, there is there are some similarities, but different languages, but there are some similarities because it it broadens your mind. All those tools broaden your mind, and then from there you you tend to knock down all the barriers and see it's the same pictures of different perspectives. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 41:48

Well, I love the brother's statement, right? Um, and it it it it read honorably to me. Um and I would say that you know uh so many of us, even even you brethren only now, you know, you you know, to that brother I say we fit the description, right? You know, the five percent of the poor righteous teachers are teaching the 85, right? While the 10, I'm paraphrasing this, right, are involved with the oppression, right, and suppression of the people. So this is where you get the five percent. So if we're not the five percent, and I'm talking about those of us who have been on these journeys for a little the better part of our adult lives, if we're not the five percent, then who is the five percent?

Charity, Backpacks, And Street Cleanups

SPEAKER_04 42:43

Well, it in this in the degree uh when it speaks about the five percent, it says Muslim and Muslim sons, and Muslim sons would be from what I remember, uh Shriners. Uh so so um, you know, righteous people is all you know, a part of that. So you are five percent, you know, um, by that definition, you know. So you know, but what I'm saying is is that um uh we we said Freemasonry ain't a law's five percent. No, I I already know I got that. I got that part. Muslims ain't a law five percent either. So so yeah, exactly. Yeah, so yeah, well, yeah, I said that. So now um I want to get I'm gonna move on, you know, because I don't want to spend too much time a whole lot of time on that, but I was just saying, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was saying that I think that this whole fear of masonry kind of came around this from my what I think from from Elijah Muhammad, you know, or this this this hatred, not hatred, but dislike or disdain, and then the internet came and then they made it even worse. So, you know, uh, but I could be wrong. I'm gonna um also get into as far as the ancient free Moorish right, what do you guys do for the community? Do you go out into the community? Do you do like bouncy houses? Do you do uh community outreach, food supplies?

SPEAKER_03 44:23

Oh, they do, bro.

SPEAKER_05 44:25

Yes, sir, we do, we do, and um we have Grandmaster Abdullah, and um we have a charity that's upcoming, and um perhaps brethren may want to talk about that. But yes, brother Brown, uh we we are engaged with uh charities and community outreach, and uh we've been doing that for a lot of years, yes sir. Um uh Grandmaster Arcade, Grandmaster Abdullah, brethren.

SPEAKER_06 44:57

Yes, sir, yes, sir, Grandmaster Abdullah. If you want to you want to address that if you're available, if not, I can address it. But I do want to say, in terms of you know, just moving on from the last thing, one thing that you will find in the ancient free Moorish right is um with all due respect to all of those other matters, not a lot of talk about all of that stuff, you know. Um here we are focused and we are uh endeavoring to master our rituals. So, you know, a lot of that is you know where we're putting our attention and where we're putting our focus, you know. So just wanted to say that. But yes, brother, we are um we've been engaged, you know, since the beginning with charity work and a lot of it unseen, a lot of it um, you know, you don't necessarily see posts or you know, videos, you know, showing we're doing the charity, but we do organizationally um have uh uh charity events and uh yearly events featuring, uh mainly featuring our back to school uh backpack giveaway where we uh target communities and we come together as an organization, as brothers, and we get backpacks, uh we get supplies, all different supplies that kids will use for school, and we pack, we fill up backpacks with supplies, and we have supplies available so that people um uh don't have to come out of their pocket, you know, that$500 for supplies, getting it, getting the kids ready for those backpacks. So uh that's just one of uh many endeavors that we are endeavoring to do and that we do to serve the community. But uh, you know, charity is at the core of what we do, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_05 46:46

Okay, we gotta promote what we're coming up because I'm gonna promote yes, sir.

SPEAKER_04 46:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, yeah, yes, sir, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_05 46:56

Yes, yes, sir. We we have a um uh uh street cleanup uh combined with uh charity, which is coming up in Gary, Indiana. Now we're very proud of Gary Indiana because Gary Indiana uh gave us perhaps one of the greatest musical bands of all time, and uh another person who is arguably the greatest entertainer of all time, and that's the Jackson 5, and that's Michael Jackson, right? Um, we're doing this in Gary coming up uh uh in June, right? We're gonna be cleaning up uh in the neighborhood, you know, cleaning up areas that people feel that you know we need that, and um we trust too to have some um school supplies at that event. And this is being uh led by our brother uh Chris Smith L, who um lives in Gary, Indiana. And what we are uh proud of with that is that it comes along uh right in stream with the um um Biopic, the movie about Michael Jackson, that's uh going to be released uh really soon. And so, you know, it's it's going to still be big and huge and probably mushroom more during the summertime. And um, so we're doing that in that city, and we're going to be honoring uh that city, uh, that family, and of course, you know, uh that movie as well. And so that is uh a big uh spotlight for us, not that we're seeking that, as brother I kept was saying, we don't generally do that. Charity should not necessarily be spotlighted, but we um we are really proud of that, and um and brother, you know, uh Grandmaster Abdullah, we're gonna have a lot of fun with that, and that is again, brother Round, Brother Brown, one of our give back um efforts that you know we we take a lot of uh pride and a lot of joy in that as well.

Personal Growth And Cultural Enrichment

SPEAKER_04 49:13

That's peace, that's peace. So now if you can give me like a testimonial, like how do you feel more this this organization changed your life, or have you seen any changes in other people? You know, I would like to know that.

SPEAKER_06 49:33

Well, um, we haven't heard from Brother Abdullah, so I'll let Brother Abdullah go. But I have a specific thing to say um to that question right there. But I'll I'll let my grandmaster, if he's available, brother Abdullah, you want to answer that, brother?

SPEAKER_02 49:46

Peace. Uh thank you, um Brother Ked, and peace to uh the NYP talk community, peace to the host, Brother Mikey Fever, Brother Ron Brown, and peace to our Supreme Grand Commander, Brother Alem. Thank you, sir. Uh yes, sir. This question is one of my favorite questions, and I I never give it its due due justice just because it's uh I can say so much about it, but I'll strive to be uh concise. Um it has it has and it is culturally enriching me. Not only is it uh benefiting me intellectually and spiritually, but also it's a cultural enrichment, of course. It complements my knowledge of my my Moorish heritage and lineage, and like our Supreme Grand Commander is saying, um, it is Moorish. Um it does honor the morals of antiquity. And like they say, the proof is in the pudding. So I would say that you would have to be in it to to really experience it. But as it's been said tonight, um we do promote a nautical character, and as brother Mikey Fever said, most of us are aware of the the uh the more the more the more the nautical, excuse me, the Moorish nautical um history, that the Moors were the uh seafarers of the seven seas. And so this history is very well exhibited and pronounced in our degree system. Um so it gives you it gives one a whole uh cultural enrichment of that aspect of our of their heritage, and um it does connect us to the history of the Moors of Moorish Spain and also ancient Egypt, as well as ancient Moors um civilizations in the Americas. So all of that is in there, and so that's why I say for me, I really appreciate the cultural enrichment. It it really has added on um to me personally in that regard. And so it allows me to be a you know a better, well-rounded father and brother in person because I have so much information in my backdrop just to you know complement who I'm already striving to be.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

So esoterically, too. He says spiritually, esoterically, the navigation of the sea is what it means on the esoteric side, and so you can you already know, you can already figure it out.

SPEAKER_02 52:11

You don't we don't even have to really break it down, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:13

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 52:13

But yeah, any brother who spiritually or stupid can you know can put one and two together to see can can understand that symbolism. Like we say, you're navigating through the seas of life. So there you go, take it from there. We in in the ancient free morals, right? You you get so much application just with just to apply, um, apply that phrase, you know, to navigate through this through the seas of life, and then in the ancient free morals, right? You get all the you get more information to go with that just to help you, you know, spiritually, um, in your own spiritual journey.

SPEAKER_06 52:49

Thank you for having me on the floor, man. Brothers, brother, brother Mikey, brother, brother Ron, um, peace L Day and Priest Brother Abdullah. Yeah, man, I I gotta keep myself on the timer because that question, you know, gets to the heart of you know the why. And if you don't know your why, you don't know what you're doing. As it says, if you're not practicing your own Freemasonry, whose Freemasonry are you practicing? So, my answer to that, brother, of you know, what is what are brothers getting? And you know, we can bring testimony from brothers who have been here a month, a week, a year, 10 years, and you will hear um different perspectives of the same uh uh sort of pull. You know, for me, the Moorish right, what it did and does for me daily, and this now being my 14th year celebrating actually, yeah. This month is April, so this is my celebration month, uh, 14 years in the ancient free Moorish Rite. What it's done for me is it has introduced a spiritual uh practice that is applicable, that is that is uh deep and it is you can you know spend hours going into you know the knowledge and the information, but at the end of the day, if there's no action and there's no change in who you are, then what is that information and knowledge worth? So for me, the ancient free morse right through its uh spiritual centered uh uh Masonic modality and practice because it's uh uh predicated on the Moors, because it is something that was birthed out of the loins of the illustrious Dr. Cliffy Hazel Bey, who people are still you know understanding the breadth of who and what he was and and still is, you know, it's all centered around your spirituality, your seeking and connection with the creator, and the evidence of that is your connection with your brother.

SPEAKER_04 55:22

Man, hold up. That's peace. Hold on. That's a whole podcast.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

That one now we gotta do one because I'm gonna keep it real before we get out of here. I I had just a book, it was like a thin pamphlet about C. Hazel Bay because I seen a few of his videos back in like 09, 2010, 09, and this dude was dropping so much science on a spiritual level, I don't think people grasp what he was saying.

SPEAKER_04 55:48

Listen to what the brother I said. Can you repeat that, brother Akkette?

SPEAKER_06 55:52

Yeah, um, the connection the brothers, the connection to the brothers, for connection creative brother, so so that gets back to my you know, my first premise of you know us in in this life, right? Sitting here right now in our individual lives, you know, we're all here living this existence, and this thing is real because we all know at the end of the day, we're all gonna come to our last breath. So when we measure up and when we survey our life, right, it goes to the why. What are we doing here? What is your purpose?

SPEAKER_04 56:38

And if it isn't a connection with now, you said earlier we talked about secrets, we talked about disclosures, but few know that we are all seeking after the the ultimate secret, because as it says, no man has seen the face of God, never, however, uh Minister Elijah Muhammad said when you look at a fake, when you look at a black man, you're looking at God.

SPEAKER_06 57:04

Well, you're coming at my next point about that, but as it says in the Violent Secretary Lord, you see your brother every day. Oh, gotcha. So, so for us and for Freemasonry, because you talked to you talked about something earlier, and and as you get into the Moorish right, you'll see in terms of the structure, you know, what our agenda is, and without getting into you know, too much of it, one part of it and our presentation of Freemasonry. You know, you're not gonna see us up here bashing another organization. That's right. You're not gonna see us up here trying to put ourselves up by taking somebody down. No, we just have to practice what we've been taught, right? And that is, you know, respecting your man, you know, really it's the principles of Freemasonry, that universal brotherhood. So with us seeking after, you know, this this invisible one, the creator, and as I said, that can that uh that uh uh uh seeking after and not just a seeking after, but a connection with a daily connection, and however you have that connection, but that daily connection and the evidence of that right is me being able to live a life as I do in the ancient remorse, right, and connect with new brothers because as I always say, I don't have to know you to know you, so it's that that spirit of life, it's that breath of life that animates me, it's the the mind, the intelligence, the individuality that is me, is the same thing that is in you, and it is high time in this life to make that spiritual connection real because it has to be applicable, because we can talk about it all day, but can we can we be with each other even when we're wrong? Can you have your brothers back? Can you forgive? Talk about it, see, we see because we talked about all the divisions, we talked about the different right, and it's supposed to be like that because there are many roads, but what we have to learn on this global vessel that we call Earth, we gotta learn how to get along. It ain't too hard, it ain't too, you know, it's the simple, it's the basics, right? Because as the principles on a ship, right, and we talk about this as a crew. Our number, what is the number one threat to a crew on a voyage? Some may look out and see the seas, right? You see the waves, you see the sharks, right? Malfunctions on a ship, different things can go wrong, but our come on, brother. Who said it?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:03

Who said that?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:05

Brother Abdullah, mutiny, us going against each other. That's right, and we and we claim to be gods, we claim to be connected to the creator, but we can't look at our brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:18

Come on, talk about it.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:21

So, in the ancient free morse, right? The principles and what it's teaching, you know, right at the front, is teaching us how to be brothers and have a real genuine connection. Because this ain't about the titles, it's not about the fame, it's not about me trying to be something. No, it's about how good of a brother can I be. Can I dedicate myself to a spiritual discipline that in its ex in its execution, in its practice, is making me a better person because what now I'm focused on what the creator, I'm focused on meditations, I'm focused because now it's too much reading, I got too much research to do, I got too much connection. We're ain't we talked about in the last meeting. The ancient free morse writers meeting six, seven days a night a week.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:07

Talk about it.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:09

You know, it's like they say, when you got a mission and a purpose, it's too much work to be done. You got to find time to sleep.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:17

Come on, listen, that's that that's when that rule and that gauge comes in.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:21

Because when you when you find that purpose, you'll you'll hear people often say, I'll sleep when I'm beyond the grave. I got work to do, but we got work to do in reintroducing the Moorish right, introducing the not a branch of Freemasonry, but its roots with all due respect to all of the roots. That's because we like we say all the time, we will break bread and sit down with any brother, any organization, any right who is coming in brotherly love and meeting on a level with respect. Beautifully said, as we always said, we don't start nothing, right? But we don't we're not taking anything either.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:05

That's that's right, right? And exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:06

We're on our mission, and and and more importantly, we don't have to worry about that because we're on a divine mission. Come on, our mission is spiritual, and not a hand will be laid on any of the children. Well, any of the brothers because there's a protection, there's a spiritual protection. Because as I said, there's a there's a spiritual discipline, there's something you talked about, you were trying to get at. Well, what's the difference in the Moore strife? The difference is the brothers you see on the line, Grandmaster Abdullah. The difference is then the people, the people in the spiritual forces behind them. That's what makes the Moore's right different. And and and capstone in that is the genuine article because here, this is a real thing. That's right. We're not here to, you know, for you know, because as I said, in the end, you gotta take that last breath. And for me personally, this is an assurance that not only will I have no regrets, but that I'm gonna leave a living legacy in the hearts and minds of my brothers, in the things that I have to produce to what immortalize you because brother I kept ain't gonna be here every all the time. We're gonna do a pass on, but that energy is gonna be here, residing just like that energy of Cliss Dr. Cliffordy Hazel Bay resides in our L day. Got you, and as his teacher, I love how you think it's and I'll end it right here. And we, as his students, it resides in us.

The Sea Is Big Enough

SPEAKER_03 1:03:43

Talk about it as we say in my house in the French house, that's that egg guard that was built. Come on, bro, and be moved. And I'm not gonna divulge much, but people need to understand before those are quick to criticize what the ancient free morish right is. And again, as I say, I've been traveling for four years and what we call mainstream masonry, understrike the prince hall. I'm not I'm neither Prince Hall, but I always found you guys very interesting, and I love that the fact that they took the reins in charge of their own destiny, but they do not disrespect anyone. And as you say, we all are on the path. I'm gonna even go a little deep. We all on this tree of life, taking these 10 routes. I mean, these 22, you know, there's 10 separas and there's 22 paths. We all finding a way to get up to the catcher. We all trying to get the ants off. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:31

I'll say I'll say to end this for the people and the brothers that may be interested and will peruse and go to you know our website, afmr-morriswright.org. And for brothers coming in, and this fits in with our character, that nautical character, is that guess what? The sea is big enough for us all. Talk about it. Talk about it. There's enough work to build a vessel and sail. There's enough space for you to build and to sail your vessels because guess what? We're doing it already. But whose vessels are we sailing each and every day? Whose mindsets, whose thoughts about who you are, and now you're living that out on a daily basis, not understanding that you're living out a program, preset already for you. So we got to get to the core of this thing here. When we're introducing Freemasonry, this is not just a circus and a show. And you just, you know, yeah, we can get together and have a good time and kick it and do all of it. But that ain't the premise and the basis of it. That's not what we're here to do. We're here to connect with the creator and to, you know, really as brothers and as people, you know, find our purpose, you know, in life. And I believe that finding our ultimate purpose in life is finding our service to each other and our service to man.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:57

Briefly said, my brother, our cat was on fire. That's real, right there. No, it's true what you said. Finding yourself is finding God, finding your purpose, learn to live with one another. And as you said, those who always say they seek in God know that you know you can't seek something, you can't love something more than that loving the brother that's next to you.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:16

And ain't it a beautiful thing when we do it and we embrace, we become what? It's you know, I'm going back to my my childhood uh cartoons. We become Voltrar, we start building, and now we stronger, we are unit. And and what do we talk about? Well, what do we need in the community all the time? What do we need?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:34

Unity, unity, unity. We gotta have that love.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:38

We can't gotta have it in yourself. Without the love, you do nothing. And we got it in the ancient free morse, right? It's a place where you could practice that. You're given the keys and the space to be able to learn and the growth in the brothers that they they won't do what throw you overboard at every indiscretion or every failure or every every mistake, feeding you to the sharks. You know, no, it's a brotherhood, it's a brotherhood.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:10

I respect that, man. Wow, you guys gotta you guys gotta come back, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:15

You guys have to come back. Brother, we're gonna get it on within the month. We'll be we'll be back. So, you know, for your audience, uh, be on alert. We'll be introducing it and announcing it, but we'll definitely be on, you know, before the month is out in the next four weeks, but to continue this build. And I and I appreciate you having us. And I wanted the audience to be able to hear um as the setup was from our Supreme Grand Commander, you know, directly from the source about who we are. And we pray that you know uh everybody got what they seek tonight. And we thank you for having us here, brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:50

No, no, no, you're welcome. It's an honor to have you guys there. I'm very pleased because um you guys are very transparent, and you know, you there's times you and I have spoken on the phone. I could very humble brother down to earth, solid brother, real, real brother. You know what I'm saying? You understand what I'm saying? And the rest of you guys as well, like very transparent, very clear, honest, forthcoming with what you with with what you represent. And um I'm still trying to find some more information about Clifford Hazel Bay, man. I don't know if I can find some books on the website because I'm like I'm always curious about reading more absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:20

Yeah, get with brother our cat and um yeah, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:23

Definitely, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:25

Like you want to go, you want to do a closing statement out there? Uh real fast.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:30

Oh, yeah, yes, brother Mikey Fever. If you visit the ancient free morse right website and go to the you know, look for the section for books, yeah. You can purchase a book called What is What is Morse Right Freemasonry? I don't know if you have it already, but you'll get more information about Dr. Clifford E. Hazel Bey in that book. That's a good a good starting point, I would say.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:53

Definitely, I'll do that, definitely. Appreciate that. Appreciate that very much. Um Supreme Grand Commander Lean Bey, do you want to do that?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:04

You know, just on um, I just I just love the um theme of of brotherhood. Um, brother, I just love your theme with that, and um, that's what it's about, you know. Uh Jesus said to love the brotherhood. And on this note, you know, um the scripture says, and you were alluding to this, Brother Mikey, uh fever. The scripture says, How can you say you love God whom you have never seen, and you cannot love your brother who you see every day? Talk about it. So we are we are challenged with that, and um, you know, I'd like to think hope and pray that in ancient three more is right that we are executing the reality of that. So in real time, um you know, we know that we will not survive without that becoming a reality in our lives, and we'll just keep repeating the same thing over and over again, not knowing why, you know, it's just not working out. Well, all along, the answer is right in front of you, right? And as we say, sometimes the solution is simple, but within the execution of that, therein lies the difficulty. We have to get past the difficulty of that and trust the results, definitely.

Final Blessings And Sign Off

SPEAKER_03 1:10:40

That's a fact, man. Beautifully said, my brothers of the ancient free Moorish right. I appreciate you for coming out. You guys keep doing your thing, keep growing. May God cover your missions, your agendas. And for people, before you become a naysayer people, do your research on these brothers, get involved, don't be afraid, don't believe everything you hear about masonry. You get what I'm saying? The conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories will drive you crazy, and you need to open up your mind and break the barrier and walk with God and trust in God. With that being said, NYP, we are out. Don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. One love to my brothers. Peace, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:18

Peace, sir. Peace.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:20

Peace.