Moorish Movement in 2026: What’s Next? - Young-Bey's

You can hear it in their voices: they didn’t stumble into the Moorish Science Temple of America for a trend. Minister Joseph Young Bey and Minister Yolanda Young Bey walk us through the real work that happens after the first spark, the years of meetings, study, and self correction that turn “knowledge of self” into a stable life, a stronger family, and a clearer sense of Moorish American nationality.

We get specific about what keeps people committed when the broader Moorish movement feels messy: practicing Love, Truth, Peace, Freedom, and Justice at home first, then bringing that discipline into the temple and the community. They also explain how they think about lineages, factions, and administrations, why a federation model can support unity without erasing autonomy, and how texts like the Constitution and Bylaws and the 101 questionnaire function as consistent anchors across many circles.

The most challenging parts are also the most necessary: a candid critique of declining discipline, a call to protect sisters and restore respect for womanhood, and a reminder that slogans cannot replace standards. We close with forward looking priorities like civic engagement, lawful public presence, community development in Syracuse, New York reparations conversations, and building international connections that link with the families of nations.

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introductions

SPEAKER_02 0:19

Soul Brother number one report for duty. And uh we got the brother Minister Joseph and the sister Yolanda Young Bay. What's uh the sheik the sheik is right? That would be your title, right? Yes, yes, yes. I'm a minister as well. We we're both ministers, both ministers, both ministers, ministers, yeah, both ministers. That's peace.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

We're both ordained ministers of the Moorish Science Temple of America, yes, sir. Sheiks as well, but brother, brother and sisters, good indeed.

How Joseph Finds The Temple

SPEAKER_02 0:54

So I want to go right into your history, and then we're gonna talk about the Moorish movement in 2026 and what's next with the Moorish movement from your perspective. So let's talk about uh your we spoke briefly about your history in the Moorish science movement. Um, and you know, you got knowledge. How did you come into the knowledge of the Prophet Jouw Ali?

SPEAKER_01 1:24

First and foremost, I want to rise and give praises to Almighty God Allah, the author, the governor, almighty, eternal, and incomprehensible. I give honor to the illustrious love thought Prophet Noble Drew Ali. I give honor to Jesus Muhammad Buddha, Confucius Jonah. I give honor to our great father, chief supreme grand resurrection, Timothy Dingle ill, hyphen noble Jewali in this other half. The Supreme Grand Sheikh is Mother Louise Dinglewill, Hyphen Noble Drew Ali. I give honor to our current Supreme Grand Sheikh, Supreme Grand Governor Robert Stone Hill. I give honor to our past Supreme Grand Sheikh Jerome Grand Bay and his council. Brother Ron, I give a high special honor to you for even giving us this opportunity to speak on your venue, your great platform, uh that you open up to many conscious souls to express their views, thoughts, and ideas. So I give honor to you, my brother, and I give honor to the listening audience at NYP Talk Show, Islam. How did I come into the Moorish size temple of America? I've been in the schools of Islam that if that was the question, correct?

SPEAKER_02 2:32

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

I've I've traveled in in many of the schools of Islam that here in America, but in 1995, I would walk past the temple in Baltimore, Maryland, and just look through the window and say, one day I'm gonna go in there, one day I'm gonna go in there, and one day I found the doors open and I walked into the temple, and I liked what I heard, brother. You know, I liked what I heard, I like what I saw being demonstrated uh for uplifting the fallen humanity. I've been I've been a member of uh three three or four different temples before I uh began my last service at the Federation Moorish Science Temple of America. Uh so there's many different ministrations, but our principles all make us unified. Uh so that's how I came, brother. I I think that Islam comes after all else fails, and at that time all else had failed, and I came into the Moorish Science Temple of America.

Yolanda’s Path And Personal Study

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Okay, so now you you um now uh Mr. Yolanda, she came into Morris Science to you, correct?

SPEAKER_00 3:42

No, no, I didn't come in for him. I want to make that clear for the record and on the record to the view and all audience, and I also give honor to all that and extend honor that my husband, uh Chief Joseph Youngbei, had given honor to as well as yourself for hosting such a great show. Um, I was enlightened by the Prophet Newton Duali's teachings from myself. And why I say that is because someone can introduce you to anything. But if you're not gonna take that course of study and open up the heart and the doubt plate of your mind and digest it, then what are the use of being there? I was invited uh by my husband, and when I came, I came out of curiosity of self. Um, the world had taken a toll on the hearts and the mind of myself. So therefore, when I met Minister Youngbei, I was prepared. He asked me one time would I wrap my turban? And I never stopped wrapping my turban since then. The first time I took membership, I never turned turned away from the movement. I've been in it since then.

Other Faith Traditions They Traveled

SPEAKER_02 4:55

This is true. Nice, nice. So uh you said you, brother uh Minister Joseph, you said you went through other schools of thought or Islam before. And same question to you, Sister Uh Yolanda.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Oh, yes, yes, yes, brother Ron. Brother, I've been a born-again Christian, I've been a Sunni Muslim, I've been an Ansaru Allah Muslim, I've been uh a member of the nation of FOI Lieutenant in the Nation of Islam. Um I've studied amongst the Freemasons, I've never joined. I've studied amongst the Hebrews. I've I had an educator from the nation of gods and earths from the 5% nations. So I've I've been a lot of been in a lot of schools before coming to the Maury Science Temple of America. I just sub, I joined and proclaimed my nationality in 1995. So yes, I have been members of many different organizations, and I honor them and I respect them all for the work that they've done on my life while I was a part of that or of those systems. And I never threw my lessons away from those systems. If if that answers your question, Islam.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

Islam.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Islam. For myself, I was Catholic first from the uh, you know, up into the age 12 while my family and I lived in Albany, New York. When we made a transition to Baltimore, Maryland, we became members of my grandfather's uh Baptist Church. And I never took on the Baptist title because again, I couldn't comprehend, you know, the different uh schools of thoughts between Catholic and Baptist. It was a little confusing. So I just went, like I said, into the world to find myself. And when Minister Young Bei came into my life, his aura spoke ministry. Umistry. So from there, when he introduced me to or invited me to come into Grand Sheik Sea Create the Ill's organization, I had no problem with it because I was looking at the hieroglyphics on the wall. And those hieroglyphics spoke volume. You know, symbolism is for men and women of understanding. I came from a lot of symbolism due to Catholicism. And then again, my grandfather uh was a high 33-degree Mason. He had his own lodge. So I had I had a lot to you know digest as a young girl, you know, seeing him. And I mean my granddad was close. I was I was his money bags. I kept the, you know how they have one woman in the church and they keep the finance while I was the child in the church and no one knew it was the organization that kept the finance. So I seen a lot of symbolism, and those symbolisms were simple to what was up, you know, displayed at that organization at the time. It was truly enlightenment. I got a lot of knowledge out of it, but most of all, discipline.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

There you go. Most of all, discipline out of the out of the Catholic Church, you say.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

No, discipline out of the Moorish movement. Um Catholic the Catholic Catholicism does teach discipline. Yes, part of my discipline and submissive, you know, marriage, you know, children, life, life skills came from the Catholic order. But however, in the Moorish movement, when you listen to the prospect, he ain't telling you no difference. He he's telling you to get in line and stand behind him and the prospect, and you won't hear the gun when the gun goes off.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

All right, all right.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

And that's confusion. That's what that yeah, he's gonna scratch me.

Why They Stayed Positive

SPEAKER_02 8:46

So so now um we spoke about you know how you came into the knowledge, right? So now through your travels, what did you notice about the movement that kept you there? What what's what was it about the movement that kept you in the movement? Because you know, there's a lot going on going on in the movement, you know, good and bad. And um, you know, if you're a person that you know harps on the bad, you're gonna either leave or you're gonna stick around, you know, and uh complain a lot. So, you know, so what made you stick in the movement and have such a positive attitude about everything?

SPEAKER_01 9:33

I give honesty your question, brother Ron, if I understood it correctly. But what I do want to say before I continue before we go any further, that there's no one brother or sister or group of brothers who can speak uh to the Moorish movement uh and where it's going in 2026, because the movement is very broad, it's wide, it has depth, it has height, uh, it has many different administrations, uh, multiple jurisdictions, uh, various structures. But we have one prophet, one religion, one rural family, one God Allah, and the nearest place we meet him in is in the heart. So I'm humbled to be able to even answer some of your questions to the best of my ability, but I don't want anyone to think that we're we're trying to answer for the Moorish movement because it is totality, in its totality, only based upon our understanding, the work that the Moorish movement has done upon our lives, the work that we have put in over the last 29-30 years within the movement, uh, our our hopes, our aims, things of that nature. Uh, so I did want to express that to you that I'm not qualified, and I don't think that anyone is qualified in by themselves to speak on the capacity of the voice movement. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

I definitely, I definitely understand where you're coming from. However, we all are entitled to opinions.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

This is true. This is true. So would you repeat, would you repeat your question, please?

SPEAKER_02 11:14

So being that you've been in the movement so long, right, and you know there's a lot going on in the movement, good and bad, right? What keeps you in the movement with such a positive attitude? Islam.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Well, first of all, I came into the knowledge of myself, brother. I came into the knowledge of myself, my identity, my nationality. I learned about Islamism and what Islamism is to me, is the worship, the recognition, the acknowledgement of the one God within thy very own soul, know thyself. Uh, so no matter what may go on around the Moorish movement, I came into the knowledge that you it's what you do at home, it's how you live your life at home, is how you're going to live your life within the movement. I agree. How you live your life on a daily basis if it becomes a part of every part. That is the movement. Uh, for an example, the prophet noble Jew Ali he he founded the Moorish Temple of Science, the Moorish Holy Temple of Science, and then the later the Moorish Science Temple of America. But in truth, he was the Moorish temple of he was the Moorish Temple of Science, he was a Moorish holy temple of science, and he was the Moorish Science Temple of America. So his sons and daughters have to evolve that same way, recognizing that I am a Moorish science temple of America. I am a Moorish holy temple of science. I I am a Moorish temple of science individually. So collectively, for those of those of us who recognize that, we just we we strive hard to just practice our principles the best that we can, brother. Uh, and you know the principles love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice. They're the five highest known principles to man on earth. Uh, it's sort of, I don't want it to seem like uh, well, I'll say it in this manner. The way that I was taught is that you ask not what you can do, ask not what the Maury Science Temple of America can do for you, but what can you do for the Maury Science Temple of America? What can what with talents, what gifts, what knowledge, what wisdom, what labor, your time and your what time of labor, what do you have to offer the organization? Because all of us uh have these gifts within us. And so it's about self-realization, brother. Uh, you know, in brief, in brief, and I yield the floor to Minister Young Bang.

Self Mastery Through Meetings

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Thank you. For myself, faith, hope, and love, you know, noticing faith, uh uh degrees of faith, hope, and love in the prophet nobura lee, and these and his constitution and bylaws being constantly read at every meeting, and then in Acts 6, it says, With us, we are teaching our people their nationality. So I know it was a us, but who was the we? So in those two statements, I had to find myself becoming part of the us because the majority is the we, the we of the misunderstanding of missing identity, and I didn't want to have a misidentity. Then I could go into the Holy Quran of the more scientific America, and it says holy instructions for thy children. Now I have some materials that can guide my heart and mind to guide my children. Then there's a chapter that says duties of a husband. So I don't have to figure out what duty of a husband is. Because the first husband I have that there was a different duty on board. He liked the booty, but not the duty. You understand what I'm saying? So I'd rather have the duty rather than the beauty and all those things and marriage instructions, you know, the chapter marriage instructions is a it's something to guide my mind or wanting to not, I wanted to be a wife, first of all. And Prophet Noble Drew Ali helps us to understand that you know you become a faithful member, but that faithful member is self-loyalty. If you don't have no loyalty to yourself, you can't have no loyalty to no one else. And that loyalty comes from every opening up the meetings, um, being due diligence and paying my dues, following the instructions of my husband, and being sincere. And then in the Act 7, it says all members must uh uh promptly attend their meetings and become a part and partial of all uplifting acts of the Morris Science Tibble America. So members must pay their dues and keep in line with all necessities of the more science civil America, then you're entitled to the name of faithful. With that being said, I give the floor.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

So just to recap, uh Lister Joseph Young Bay, your reasoning for sticking with the prophets' teachings in the movement is what you said, my reasons for sticking with the prophet's movement, then I didn't hear the last portion.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Is is what exactly?

SPEAKER_02 16:28

Just like a short version.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

And short, brother, I seen a I seen a great light. Uh I saw a star up in the sky and came to worship. In other words, when I came to the temple, it was like an oasis in the middle of the desert. Uh, there were men, there were women, there were children, there were families working hard to uplift themselves and uplift the community. I saw that. So when I went home to my, who wasn't my wife at the time, but who is today, and I asked the sister, I said, Sister, I found the temple that got men, women, and children in it. Would you mind going? And she, but you're gonna have to wrap your turban. And she she gladly said yes. So we began to go and investigate what I saw was light. And um it was a great light, you know how I've come to who I am today, if I'm anything, um, is because the Morris Science Temple of America has it has chambers, it has heavens, it has houses, it it uh heavens, chambers, heavens, I'm scared, houses, chambers in public meetings. And I sat long enough in the temple to go through each and every one of those phases under an already recognized uh recognized master. So if if if there are many Moorish masters, there are a few Moorish masters that around the country, and if you found yourself grateful enough or the opportunity to sit at the feet of one of those and go through the disciplinary structure that the prophet set up, then you'll never leave. You you'll never leave uh unless you have a weakness within yourself. Because as the minister said, that uh it comes, this comes to us by attending meetings. It may appear like it's insignificant, but under the divine law, simply meeting after meeting after meeting, year after year after year, helped me to build who I am today. For an example, the prophet only asked the members for two hours on Sundays and two hours on Fridays, just as a basic member. So I went years and years and years without without missing my meetings. I asked questions. If I heard answers that was not satisfactory, I challenged the answers that I heard. Uh when I first came and I thought that they was holding back the truth. So I would come, I would study as much as I could and come to Sunday school class and try to stump the Sunday school instructor. I'm just using as an example. Try to stump them with the answers that I had. And it they were able to answer all of my questions. Uh so from that point, I evolved, I unfolded uh through levels of resurrection, through levels of elevation, uh, through through levels of uh every victory over self gives added strength. So I think while I'm why I'm here, because I had victory over myself, everything else that's going on in the Moorish movement, every victory over self gives added strength. Today, man teaches, tomorrow, woman teaches best. Each have a great God Allah uh gift and talent and job to do. So to when I came in, I was the teacher. Now my wife is a teacher, so I had the blessing to go through all of our degrees together. We became resurrectors, we became sheiks, we became adepts, we became associate ministers, we became divine ministers. Now we're we're grand governors and grand sheiks and grand governors of the organization. But the point is that took a period of time, a period of time, a period of conquering self, a period of conquering weakness, a period of conquering misery, a period of conquering uh insufficiency of knowledge, instability. Those are the five foes that we had to conquer to become who we are. No matter where you are, you have to conquer something, and you really can't focus on what's going on outside of your own universe. You gotta go within your omniverse, your innerverse. If man will find his savior, he must look within. His name is self, self savior Allah. So it that's that's who I found. I found myself savior Allah. That's that's that's if that makes sense, brother.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

Let me see. Hold on, hold on, we gotta do this, we gotta do this. We gotta drop, we gotta drop a bomb after that. All right, so now uh sister uh minister Yolanda Young Bay, you had something to say?

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Yes, so what keeps me and has kept me is the instructions of the prop. He said, keep the doors of the Morris Science Temple of America open, and he was going to run the Asiatic thing. So taking on the uh responsibility of opening up an organization, once we've done that, now we're charged with keeping it open. It's not how the Asiatics are gonna be ran if there's no organization, right? So that means myself, he's gonna keep running me in there too. I'm not excluded. So, but that being said. Said I yield the floor.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

It's long. It's long, it's long. Uh, so that's peace. Now, from through your travels, first off, I want to say this as far as your lineage. I know there's only one prophet, one temple, technically, really, in reality. That's this is the truth, right? Because I've been in many different circles of Moors, and uh one thing that's consistent is the Constitution bylaws 37 and the 101, right? Or the Moors, the Korean questions for children, I think that's the Korean question, the Korean questions for Moorish children. I think that's the type. Correct. No, that's not correct.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

Yes, yes. I apologize. The cat was trying to jump up on us. Oh, okay.

Lineage And Factions Explained

SPEAKER_02 22:53

So, you know, so that those are consistent in the teachings, right? And so there is truly one prophet, one temple. I wonder if we want to go and and and talk about the the factions, let's go into that a little bit, okay? So if we wanted to say what faction you come from, um what faction you come from? Would it be the C curtain B line or Millio line? And we could have experiences in both factions.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Praise Almighty God Allah. I I'll take a shot at that one.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

I'll go first because you're a little long-winded there myself, if you don't mind.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

Please, please. By all means.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

I came under the sit Timothy Dingle will hyphenated Nobu Dirae, and I've never been anywhere since then. It's that's the lineage in which we both of us come from. See, Clarence Praethil and everyone over and his staff come from the same lineage. So once I joined, I was blessed to meet his wife, Louise Dingelwill. In fact, um, she's a was become a very, very, very, very good friend of mine. And um her her daughter and I were, you know, guard sisters, and I sat at her feet for a very long time and learned all of the lessons that I can on, you know, how to secure my brother man, meaning this mode, as well as other modes in need. You know, she teached, she warned me of the discord, she warned me of the many different fractions, and she said, Don't just don't get caught up in that. Stay in what our prophet has given you. And she meant noble Jew Ali because many people take on Drew Ali's title, but the lessons don't change. Everyone has this in their home, everyone has this in their home. But magically, everyone claiming they own it. So with that, I'll give the floor.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

I started out at 1006 North Curry Street in Baltimore, Maryland, under a grand sheik by the name of Hayes Sample Bay. In later years, he he changed his name and identity to noble Drew Ali.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

Oh, what? I've never heard that before.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

Yes, sir. But I this is just what the truth is. I began my my studies in that temple. And then, and later a few years later, I joined Temple No. 78, which is in Baltimore, Maryland, under the Kirkman Bayes administration.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

Uh so I served there as well for a small period of time. Um during that time that I was there, it was very interesting to me, but to every uh, I think that every creature there is a teacher. So I was still in a in a in a search, a pursuit until I could find a place where I was most comfortable on learning and what style of Moorish science fit me as uh as a Libra. I I practice astrology, I study astrology, so I had to find somebody who could reach me as a Libra. And I I had got invited to a temple at that time, it was called the Resurrection Moorish Science Temple of America. That was the early name of the organization. This was also in Baltimore, Maryland, at 123 West 27th Street.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

And our Grand Sheik at that time, his name was Grand Sheik Clarence Pratha ill, and his wife is Grand Sheikh is Betty Pratha ill. This temple had maybe eight or nine ministers at the time, and they had ministers from various different bodies or descendants. So, so in other words, we're we're descendants of Dr. R. Jerm and Bay, uh Richardson Dingle Il, Timothy Dingle Il. The most of the time, the most of the so those are the great fathers and mothers through which we came. The modern time, we're members of the Federation, Moorish Science Temple of America. We served uh in the Moorish Science Temple of America number 13 for over 20 years.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

We when we left Baltimore and received our charter, we were ordained by we we make reference to her and we honor her as chief supreme grand nobless, Mother Louise Dingoil, hyphen noble Drew Ali. So, in other words, she was like the oracle on uh the Matrix. She was the oracle, she was the prophet's wife. Uh, we believe in the continuity of the prophet. We come from the reincarnated genealogy, the reincarnated prophet genealogy. I don't want to make anyone confuse or say anything based upon our terminologies, but we come from uh the line in genealogy that believes that the prophet never dies, that spirit man never dies, that Allah never dies, that you and I never die, and Noble Drew Ali is not dead. Uh, so we come from that line in genealogy. I'm a son of the Prophet Noble Drew Ali, so the Prophet Noble Drew Ali can't be dead because he lives within me. Uh, my wife is a daughter of the order of Drew Ali, so the Prophet Noble Drew Ali is much alive through us. Um, currently, we're we have been chartered and we've been governors for the last, I want to say, three years. I'm I'm a regional grand governor. My wife is a regional grand governor for all of the temples that's established from Delaware up to Canada, or any of those that will be established from Delaware to Canada. Um, as well as the governor of the state of New York for the Federation Morris Shines Temple of America. Our Supreme Grand Sheikh is Robert Stoneill. Now, I want to read you a small definition, definition. Federation is a union of separate bodies, states, groups, organizations that come together under one central authority while still maintaining their individual autonomy. So therefore, our body functions in the manner that you can still keep your autonomy wherever you came from, because we're working for the good of uplifting fallen humanity, right? Coming together, you don't have to have the same customs we have, we don't have to have the same custom that you have, right? You just have to honor the prophet Noble Drew Ali. Um align yourself with the laws, if that makes sense. Um, but I do want to answer the question and complete the genealogy. So so, yes, that's the genealogy, brother. We honor all the true and divine prophets just like everyone else does. We just we're not caught up on um, and I and I've worked well with the brothers and sisters from the Millie Hills group. We work well with many of the bodies. We we're universal. So you may see us in Chicago, you may see us in California, you may see us wherever. But we whoever whoever extends the hand press to us, we receive it. Uh under one God, one prophet, one religion, one rural family. We learned how to travel. We're travelers, we as we ascend. So we we're not just esoteric Moorish Americans. We we're very esoteric, very occult, very Ukraine. So we we can go beyond just the rude American rudimentary elementary aspects of what would divide us. Those rudiment elementary rudiments is what divide us. But if we're able to elevate, I know that you're my brother, I know that you're my sister, etc. For an example, and and if I'm gonna yield the floor for the next question or to Minister Young Baker. But I would like to say this. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said it this way. He said, We believe our women should be respected and protected as other women of other nationalities are respected and protected. Now, this is recorded on the back in all final calls, in all Muhammad Speaks newspapers, and the message to the black man, it's a part of this the doctrine that would never change. We believe that our women should be respected and protected, even as other women of other nationalities are respected and protected. So upon entering into the Morris Science Temple of America, I found out and I learned about the concept of nationality, what that is, what uh what that details, being belonging to the families of nations that helped me to uh become a better person, that helped me to uh be a uh a half-decent husband to my wife. I think I'm a half-decent, I do the best that I can. I'm not gonna blow my own home, but I think I do what I should do as a man, but I have a the biggest room is the room for improvement. I think that I'm a pretty good father, but I know that I could be a better father. Uh I I know that I'm a pretty good member in the Moore Science Temple of America, but I know that I could be a better member. I you know, I know that I'm a good man, but I could be I can improve, and that's that's that's what I woke up to in the Moore Science Temple of America, brother. And I hope that I didn't get around your question or go off your question.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

And I thank you for inviting us on because I I I've never been on a show such as yourself on this show. Oh wow of this map of this magnitude, maybe once or twice.

Federation Meaning And Unity Work

SPEAKER_02 32:46

That's peace, that's peace, brother. Uh glad to have you. Now I want to go into um so being that we now know your lineage, right? So you you dealt in C Curvin Bay, also Millie Il and then Dingo Dingo Bay. Dingle eel. Dingo Dingle Dingle Il. Now the dingo il, I've heard that a few times, but not really. Like I maybe because this is just something I focused on when I was younger. I focused on trying to unify Middle Evil and Cope's factions because I I have family in both uh factions. I don't want to say family, I'm gonna say people that I was I'm super tight with, that are basically family to me. You know what I mean? Like especially nowadays, now like now, like 20 years later, you know what I mean? Like these people are family to me, you know what I mean? So I never really thought I'd really heard Dingo, but not really. So um but now you spoke about a federation. Yes, a federation. Now, would this federation would would this be the federation that Cosmo Ill is a part of?

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Cosmo Ill works with the Federation. When you and I, when we met in New York City, when we had the opportunity to meet you in New York City, we were representing the federation, and Minister Cosmo Ill was representing the United of the Moore, the United Moorish Science Temple of America. We have some of the same aims, we just got different names. Um we're the federation, and he's the United Moorish Science Temple of America. We're also members of the Moorish Times newspaper, we're we're journalists and photographers, my wife and I of the Moorish Times newspaper. So when we travel, we kind of don't hail uh various names. We travel under the spirit of one God, one prophet, one religion, one royal family. So when those who are from the outside won't even be able to know that we're not to that we're not under the same umbrella, uh so in other words, I'm all things to all men. Okay, I'm all things to all people.

How The Movement Changed Over Decades

SPEAKER_02 35:02

I'm gonna cut you up, brother. We got a brother uh Simeon Vay, he's always on, man. Peace to you, brother. You're always on, you're always supporting the the platform NYP Talk Show. I really appreciate you. Uh he said they come from the John Evans at uh Givens Ill line. That is true. That is true. Okay, yeah, there we go. Okay, okay, all right. Now we got that part. So now let's talk a little bit about um, so now I understand where you guys come, we uh brothers and sisters come from, you know, you you know, upbringing with the science and yeah, yeah. Now, as far as the movement where it is today, how do you see the movement as it is today? Okay, you know what? I'm gonna give it to the sister, Minister Yolanda Young Bay. Praise Allah.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

How I see it from today is that the families in the communities and the people are searching for their identity, stability, some truths. Yeah, um, and we are trying striving to help them to understand their true identity.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

Okay, so what I mean by the movement, where do you see the movement today is basically the movement, the Moorish movement as a whole, with all the different factions, the good parts and the bad parts of the whole movement, the members of the movement. How do you see the movement now in 2026 versus 1997 when you came in, right? You came in 1997, right?

SPEAKER_00 36:46

It has changed tremendously. Um, the way from my point of view is in 30 years, and what has changed is uh the discipline, you know, people taking uh things uh out like it. Okay, let's say that speaking radical, going against the what the prophet Nobu Drawi said. We're not the speak radical against any church, any member, any group, any organization, all of those things has changed tremendously. Um uh there no the order of women, the the the the orderism of the women. And I'm not speaking uh about a Pacific group, I'm just saying the the order of the women. We we we have to get to a status where respectfully we take the hoe out the movement. We got to get the hoe out the movement, respectfully. Um and and I'm not calling anyone that it's just that it in in the record book, you know, what it what an unmarried woman or unmarried man would do is please themselves. That's the bottom line. And um the the the the atti the entire the way it was when I when I came around, you know, you you cover up, supposed to cover up that they're coming out of their clothes a lot more than I've ever seen before in the movement, because you asked me that question. And how I think is that we can improve as we we add more restrictions. That being said, I mean I came up under an era time where there were there were consequences and restrictions to your behavior and your actions. I yield the floor.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

Praise Allah. Hold on, had to drop a bomb on that one right there. All right, uh, minister Joseph, same same question.

Respecting And Protecting Womanhood

SPEAKER_01 38:47

Well, praise Allah. Thank you for that. I say what the prophet says, brother. He says that we should have a greater appreciation for womanhood. So there's only one way that a man can be produced, that's through the womb of a woman. Thousands of ways he may be destroyed. So we have to have a greater appreciation for womanhood. Um the Mo Man who you asked about, Timothy Dingle Il, he wrote a book called The Resurrection, Morris Science Temple of America, the truth be yourself and not somebody else. And the reincarnated prophet, the brother said the John Givens group, we give him the name of Brother Prophet Noble Jouali reincarnated. It's a it's a title name that he took on uh to keep the heart, keep the name of Noble Jwali alive in the hearts and minds of everyone he came across. But he would oftentimes tell the brothers in the Moorish movement to put the sister down, to put the sister down, but he never explained what that meant. In later years, our great father Timothy Dingoeil, who I'm making reference to, we we know him as chief. Chief, he's a chief in our heart and our mind. He taught the brothers that humanity was too heavy for any one person to hold within their arms. That's what's displayed on the front of the questionnaire, the 101, Noble Dwali holding up humanity in his arms. He continued that work. He said that humanity is too heavy for any one man to hold in his arms. You have to find a safe place to put humanity down with, put her at, down at. He said that a good place would be to put her down with the solid rock of salvation. That's the rock that's on the front of the questionnaire. Put her down there, then you could draw your sword and protect her, you could defend her. Uh, that sword, that truth. Now, our prophet noble Drew Ali is the first to grab the sword or the scimitar from out of the stone and set the crescent and star back up in the universe in this proper perspective. So he brought us the best out of every school. Uh, he brought us the best portions of it. But humanity has to be defended. Um, you asked a question a couple of weeks ago on Facebook about the marriage laws, the marriage restriction, marriage laws. Uh, do we have protocols? Our protocols come from temple from chapter 21 and chapter 22 in the holy Quran as far as man and wife. They just are broken down and explained differently. This the sister has to be protected, and so I salute, I salute the most honorable Elijah Muhammad on that because I haven't seen anyone do it better than the nation of Islam on respecting and protecting their women. That's true. Uh, we we carry those same principles. We we will go upside your head if you bother with our sisters. Uh, if you disrespect our sisters, we will defend them. Uh we're not speaking radical or violent, but we must have uh your sisters must know that they are they can be protected. They they're not to come into the temple and be misused in the booze, just like a brother shouldn't come into the temple and be misused in the booze. So uh a lot was said. No, but I what I would say, uh my brother, is that the Moorish Science Temple of America in its present state is exactly where it's supposed to be. And the reason that I say that is because the prophet noble draw ali, he's a prophet, so he made a prophecy and he said that he was the founder of the uniting of the Moorish Science Temple of America. So that means he knew that one day it was going to fall and he was going to have to unite it. Not necessarily looking for our prophet of 1928 to return in that same physical body. We we watch his spirit, we watch his spirit working in other men and women. I don't mean his individual spirit, I mean the spirit from his from his teachings, from his knowledge, from his from what he would deliver to us. You we have the power to embody that. We all have the power to embody his teachings and actually say, I and my father are one. So this this it's each individual, each and the division and separation. I don't even really see that, but I don't pay it very much attention because it's always happened amongst our people. When when when the prophets or the warners or the messiahs leave the earth, it's always a separation and a division. But the devout souls are the ones who are gonna uh pay their dues and keep in line with all necessities, attend their meetings, teach love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice, but most of all, practice it on themselves. Um and and this, once we practice. These things on ourselves, the movement is all it's an everlasting movement. Uh the prophet said he brought us something that we could not tear up, we couldn't destroy. He said it would tear us up, it would destroy us. So it's an everlasting movement, it's not going to go anywhere. We all just have to work in our fields and our selective fields from our expertise. For an example, in closing, each temple has an expertise. No one temple has all of the all of the gospel, all of the truth, all of everything. Each temple has a gift. Once you recognize that, some temples may specialize in law and history, some may specialize in health, some may physical fitness, some may specialize in the esoteric teachings, the adap teachings, some may specialize in reparations. I'm just using as an example. So you find the individual spirits that's like-minded with you, and you work towards uniting with them, and all of y'all bring your pieces that you have your portion, your portion of understanding to the table. That's what you saw when we were in New York City with Cosmo, with uh Minister Cosmo here, because we represent the Federation. We were representing the Federation while we were there. We just didn't hold up no sign and say, hey, I'm from the front from the Federation. Because at that time it don't matter. What matters is that we all there together, learning the love instead of the hate. I yield the floor.

SPEAKER_00 45:25

So can I have one thought to share, Brother Ron?

SPEAKER_02 45:30

Yes, yes, we are for sure.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

Um you you made mention of the family of the Inc. And I want to give high honor to them because I'm gonna say something publicly that I've never said to anyone before outside of my husband. When traveling throughout the Moore Circuit, um, I was blessed to meet Ronald Hopkins Bay, R. Jones Bay, a few of those other brothers, um Sheik, uh, there was some other Sheikh Clinton and Bay and those brothers and sisters, Ferguson Neil, mother, because we had we had ministers, ministers, national ministers meetings and conference for 10 straight years. We was the host of that, and a lot of them would come. Not R. Jones Bay, but regardless, when I did meet their order and their temples, I was enlightened. I was enlightened about how they were disciplined. I was enlightened about how the way that the women dressed, and I was enlightened about the message. Um, and I even wanted to join, to be 100% honest. I had a choice at the time of I was gonna, you know, stay with the dingoils or I was gonna go with the ink. Um, but I didn't want to cause confusion to the hearts and the minds of my children, and I didn't want to go against my husband's wishes. So I stayed where I was. But again, I give high honor to those brothers and sisters. Um, I happen to I grew up with a lot of them. They seen me grow in the movement as well as I seen them grow. So I'll yield the floor.

What’s Next Civic Work Reparations

SPEAKER_02 47:04

Islam, that's peace. So now um um we're running out of time a little bit, but before we before we cut out, I want to ask what's next for the movement. Okay. From your from your opinion, your opinion.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Well, what I will say to you, I like to answer it this way, brother Ron. We have a lot of irons in the fire locally here in Syracuse in the state of New York. But no wise person would actually put the work that they perform in or the irons that they have in the fire in the public, because that's going to allow opposition, that's gonna allow those who would throw a stumbling block instead of a stepping stone in your path to interfere with the work that you're doing. But what I will say is that we're working on becoming better. The prophet says one of our aims is to teach men and women the necessary things to become better citizens, that they will come back into the constitutional fold of government and be law abiders. So we're we're fulfilling our civic duties, we're we're getting involved with the government because it's our job to represent into the government that Moorish Americans are law abiders, that we're not law violators, that we're not seeking to overthrow the Constitution of the United States and the government. Um it's the duty of one of the duties of ministers is to advise presidents, to advise governors, to advise mayors as spiritual consultants. That's that's one of the jobs and duties of a minister. So, in order to do that, one has to operate in those various circles. Uh, we're working on the New York State Initiative because reparations is on the table in the state of New York. You are a native New Yorker, so you well know this. You know this. We're qualified in that area because we have the teachings of the prophet. So we want to we want to join in on that uh compensation, uh colonization, naturalization, nationalization, etc. Whatever would come out for those who could prove uh that they have been wronged. That's just that's just we have some business ventures going. I'm not gonna speak on them, but our aim, we we relocated here, brother, to Syracuse, New York from Albany about eight years ago. We left our we left everything in Albany to come here to create, help create a better Syracuse, to create businesses, uh, but mainly to put the temple here that uh which is a registration center where the Negro, black, and colored can register and throw off the names of the slave Negro, black, colored, African American, throw off that psychology. So our temple is a registration where we not only register, but we help to transform transform the undesirable into a desirable. So uh, you know, if if I if I could say it that away, um we have a lot going on, brother. We we work in we working internationally as well, right? We're working internationally in Africa, we have some African connection, right? Uh Congo, we got some some burkina fasu.

SPEAKER_02 50:17

Uh we're looking at that.

SPEAKER_00 50:21

We're looking to spread out the movement and that aspect. That's it, what you can look forward to, you know, uh linking ourselves with the families of nation. That's what the prophet said, you know, we have to link ourselves with the families of nation. Um, it's so unfortunate that we don't even have enough time to get just to get the message out on where we are going in the near future. But for as far as the movement itself, I can look forward to seeing more people coming to the knowledge of who they are. So we can look forward to many different people from many walks of life. It won't be just the Negro, black, and colored this time. Magically, it's other people that's interested in learning about their own self. So the prophet brought us a message to save ourselves, but he brought a universal message. We got to tear down that wall with segregation because it helps us not um I'll yield the floor with that.

SPEAKER_02 51:21

All right, all right. So power moves are being made. Um I when I met you in in person at the uh gala, um, that's what I noticed. Like I picked that, like moving around. So now the now the uh brother, the African brother, who is uh from who is from Ghana, did you did y'all make that connection or was that through someone else?

SPEAKER_01 51:48

Um no, no, sir. No, that's specifically uh Grand She Curtis Douglas ill's work and Minister Cosmo Il's work, um, and and those who was a part of the organizing committee of that gala. They made those connections. We were invited as as uh special guests, as representatives of dignitaries of the federation, and as also as members of the Morris Times newspaper. So we were invited specially for that occasion.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

Now, nations recognize record nations recognize other nations. So when he was there, that was the opportunity as a queen to introduce myself to a king and have a conversation that went very well. You know, when you know um what the prophet has brought you is real and truth, you don't have to be nothing other than yourself, right?

unknown 52:38

Right.

SPEAKER_02 52:39

I want to I want to give a special shout out to my grand chief, brother, uh uh grand sheep Curtis Douglas L. Peace to that, brother. Peace to that, brother. Um, so now uh what's next for the Moors movement? We've built on that already. Uh uh, you brothers and sisters, you're making some some some moves. Uh, I got somebody in the chat that said uh these Moors are doing the work, and that's exactly what I see. You know, and it what stood out to me on this episode. I learned I learned on this episode work on yourself. That's that's first, and that's something else would shine through, and also um connect with those. It doesn't matter the faction, you want to connect with those who you and the proper sensation would say your A alike.

SPEAKER_01 53:34

It's not wrong, you work it's not it's not so we can be alike, and then we'll be we'll see alike. You're exactly right, God, yeah, minister, brother, friend, all those somewhere else.

SPEAKER_00 53:44

It said, come take a seat at the table and secure your brother, sister, and knees, and leave your mouth at the in the car until you're done. It's not, it's not talking science, islam.

Final Reflections And Farewell

SPEAKER_02 53:58

On that note, thank you, brothers and sisters, for coming out this evening. I really appreciate you. Would love to have you back on. You are a shining example of the prophet's teaching. You should be seen a little bit more. I think so. That's praise Allah, brother.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

We thank you for even allowing us to come on to take the chance to even bring us on your platform. You know, I've been watching you for a few years, and uh praise Allah. When we met down in New York City, it was an inspiration. Uh, to even say, Man, this is brother Ron, because we have to be able to reduce ourselves in pride and be humble, you know. If you're not humble, you'll be humiliated. So I'm able to reduce myself in pride. I wear different different feathers and different titles and things of that nature, but a brother is a brother. If you can't be a brother or sister to another individual, you can't be anything else to them. So that's what I we striving to be brothers and sisters to each other, man.

SPEAKER_00 55:02

And from my perspective, the word is welcome.

SPEAKER_01 55:05

It's not.

SPEAKER_00 55:06

And when you come to the city of Syracuse, you will be well taken care of. This is true, and we would love to have you and thank you.

SPEAKER_02 55:13

I look forward to it. Oh, and I know thank you for coming out this evening. Thank you to the chat. We have a podcast coming up in five minutes with the god. Uh oh my goodness, I forgot his name right now. I know him as sincere. I know him as sincere. He has another name on his book. I think it's Knowledge, Knowledge Infinity, something like that. But we're about to build with him in five minutes. Thank you for coming out, Steven. Catch you on the next podcast in five minutes, everybody, and we are out of here.