Why Did Noble Drew Ali Align Us with the Moabites? (Full Breakdown) Part 2

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SPEAKER_03 0:16

Peace world, how you doing? It's your brother Mikey Fer. Welcome to another episode of NYT Talk Show. The coolest, the most coolest, the most realest world podcast within this conscious community space. We're here to spread love in the head of the drama. Peace to the gods, peace to the Moor, Islam to the Moors. Peace to the ATBR communities out there. Welcome. Don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. We got super chats. We have merch on our website. As you already know, we had this great brother on our show not too long ago who did a part one of why the noble drew Ali aligned us with the Moabites. Talent is part two. Without further ado, family, give a give a warm warm welcome to our brother, our good brother, Maury L. Smith L. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

Honest to the Marcus Mosaic Garvey. Honestly, the first thing grandfather's work every mid wheel. My spring grandfather present grandfather to every channel. Honest to all more watching, all more is on the car, everything more. It's honest to everybody. Man, excited to be back. Excited to continue to build on this topic, man, because it's it's it's a very uh important topic. So, you know, if you got questions, let's let's dive right into.

Moabite Identity Versus Modern Race

SPEAKER_03 1:52

Oh, definitely, definitely. Most definitely. Let me just connect this sound because we were jamming out to a little lupe earlier. You know how to how to get get the um get the energy flowing. So we already got into the you know who Noble Julie, his mission, what his mission was again of you know uplifting our people, humanity to bring them back into the natural state of human beings instead of being labeled as colored negro, etc. etc. And we get to shift the consciousness, right? Uh he got into the race origin, and you know, we're gonna just keep going. We we'll go right into it. How does identifying as a Moabite challenge mainstream racial categories?

SPEAKER_02 2:33

Identifying a Moabite challenges mainstream racial categories is because right now in you know Western academia, right? People that look like you and me are like classified as sub-Saharan Africans, right? And there's this divide that there are there are Africans that are below the Sahara that have nothing to do with Africans, you know, above the Sahara, which is completely false because the prophet is not only giving us you know dominion and inhabitation in West Africa, but he's also placing us into uh the nexus and complex that was the you know Afro-Asiatic world, where Egypt and Canaan, the Levant, Anatolia, Mesopotamia, and Arabia all met and you know, exchanged um technology, exchanged religion, exchanged trade. Like that area, that part of the world is so important is because it's it's smack dab in the middle. Whoever controls that area can control products coming from India and China and products coming from Egypt and the Mediterranean going east. So, you know, that area is a very vital uh chump point for global trade, even going back, you know, three, four thousand plus years. Got you. So, you know, the prophet putting us right there is like, no, we we also have a stake in the ancient Afroasiatic world. We have a stake in ancient Egypt, we have a stake in ancient Mesopotamia, ancient Lehman, ancient Arabia. We were there. So the Prophet putting us right there is also again, right, making sure that we are represented properly in history, being a part of the founders of civilization.

SPEAKER_03 4:22

That's a fact. I'm glad that you mentioned that because um, you know, due to um depending on a person's um capacity at studying, a lot of people think the origin with our people started, you know, from slavery, or they just whenever they think of Africa, they just go straight into Egypt. They forget other empires and other civilizations with Africa, and then like he goes back further back, like you go into like he said Mesopotamia, go on back further in time, saying that you were there, you would you you you were the origin, basically.

Archaeology Linking Moab And Egypt

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Yeah, yes up, yes sir, and then on top of that, right? If you want to look at it, uh I'll share my screen for a second and then maybe maybe be able to guide some of your questions. Um let me see, we'll go here. Oh, so this is called the Al Falu Stella, right? Found in the land of Moab. It's been dated anywhere between 1309. I don't see it yet. Okay, you can see oh, okay, hold on. Can you see it now? Gotcha. Boom. Yes, sir. So check this out. This was found in the land of Moab. As you can see, you see the Egyptian iconography, right? The headdresses. You also can see, like maybe like a crescent symbol in here. Um, but this was found in Moab going back to the late Bronze Age, 1309 to about 1151 BC. So what's important is understanding that um during this time period in the New Kingdom, the New Kingdom period of Egypt, the New Kingdom period is the periods where you have rulers like Akhenaten, rulers like Tutankhamun, Amenhotep, and then the 19th, who's in the 18th dynasty, then you got the 19th dynasty of um Seti and Ramesses, Rameses II, Rameses III, etc. Right? So in this time period, uh particularly at the beginning of the start of the New Kingdom, Egypt actually controlled um a large part of the Lakan, uh, as well as the Trans Jordan region, um, before you get to Mesopotamia. So a lot of what is Canaanite culture is intimately intertwined with Egyptian culture. And because, for example, right, all of the different the Moabites, right, are a section of Canaanites, just like the Israelites are, just like the Ammonites and Aramaeans, all of these different uh, what you would say, nations that descended from you know the prophet Abraham, peace and blessings be upon him, and his descendants, right? These different nations were basically Canaanite in principle. And what I mean by that is, right, they they spoke a Canaanite type language. The only differences between the Moabite language and the Hebrew language is dialect. It's the same exact alphabet that goes back to the Phoenician alphabet or the Canaanite alphabet, uh, to be more proper, right? So the world from which the nation of Moab comes out of prominently is a is built on the bare rock of an Egyptian Canaanite cultural complex, right? So when we think about the prophet is telling us that, yes, we are Moabites, Canaanites, we get he also tells us that he was an Egyptian agent. Right? So, like, what does Egypt have to do with Canaan? What does Egypt have to do with Moabites? Here's the archaeological evidence right here, right? That you know the culture and customs were very similar and also intimately intertwined, going back thousands of years. So uh any questions or thoughts or we did come from that?

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(Cont.) Archaeology Linking Moab And Egypt

SPEAKER_03 8:31

Yeah, yeah, I like that right there.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

Like, what's what's the name of this um uh Al Ba Al Balur Stele, as they say.

SPEAKER_03 9:13

That's what that's just located in what's in regime out in Europe, right?

Assimilation And Shifting Names Over Time

SPEAKER_02 9:16

I literally uh they found it in Karak in uh present-day Jordan. Nice, nice, nice. Right. So, you know, uh the Moabite stone or the Nisha Stele is probably the most famous uh archaeological piece that's relegated to Moab, but this this site right here, Al Baluah, um, is also very important because you can see in stone, we see more bite people thick it again wearing Egyptian clothing.

SPEAKER_03 9:47

All right, so that that that this this is perfect for this question right here. Yeah. We see that you know the you know the iconic the iconography and coming from Moabites and the language connection of language for more bites and um what else we said?

SPEAKER_02 9:59

Uh the language, the customs, even the religious system.

SPEAKER_03 10:05

All right, gotcha. So how how have the interpretate the interpretations of the of this identity evolved over time? Like, you know, Lobo Drew Ali was taking us to a different stage, but how has it evolved? Like, you know, where did the break happen at? Like, you know, we will know within after that we have to go back and dig more, like to like mistranslation and stuff like that.

Empires, Trade Routes, And Semitic Context

SPEAKER_02 10:25

Well, you know if I'm wording correctly, but it's something like yeah, I mean, every time a nation rises and fall, its population pretty much gets um assimilated into the rising population, right? So, you know, the Moabites, again, the prophet tells us this, right? That you know, we are descendants from the Moabites, Canaanite, Amitites who were uh kicked out of the land of Canaan by Joshua, right? That's a story of displacement, right? So usually again, right, when people are being displaced, they're either exiled, forced out of the country, or they're usually assimilated, and um their identity is taken over by that um function as well. So, like over time, you know, going through these different phases of you know being canonized and Egyptians and you know, later on to Moabites, and then from after the Moabites, you have connections to people like um historically called the Nabateans or the Menaeans, right? And then these people get uh connected to people like from Himyar. And now you have stories of migrations coming from Yemen uh and Southern Arabia and Transjordan and things like that, they also are moving west towards Morocco, Algeria, Senegal, Mauritania, and these places. So uh the reason why over time, right, uh when we try to look at it in a historical way, while certain names change is because political regime changes throughout time. Yeah, so it's usually that, like, for example, right, the last pharaoh, Cleopatra was the last pharaoh of Rome. And then after that, there were no pharaohs. Why? Well, because Rome took over Egypt and you know, cut out a lot of ancient Egyptian customs and customs. So throughout time, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

You gotta cut out like I can't hear you, brother.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

You can't hear me?

SPEAKER_03 12:41

Uh I can't.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

Oh, okay, yes.

SPEAKER_03 12:45

All right, so which empires interacted with the Moabites?

SPEAKER_02 12:49

Um, so the Moabites, yeah. Yes, okay. So the Moabites um interacted with ancient Egypt, they interacted with uh the Assyrian Empire, they interacted with their uh brother-cousin nations like the Israelites, the Kingdom of Judah, the Aramaeans, the Midianites, um, the Edomites, all of these different nations were, like I said, like they were part of the same pretty much uh cultural complex. Again, the only the only real difference was dialect as far as like how they spoke. But then they had the same words, the trade, um, the same trade routes. For example, the trade routes that were famous in Moab was um the incense trade route that was coming from the south. And then you also had this thing called King's Highway that was coming from Egypt, uh, out of Egypt, into the Transjordan region, into Moab, north to Syria, Damascus, and even uh parts of southern Anatolia, right? So this constant uh trade network going in and throughout Moab is what made the surrounding nations to Moab um very uh similar, right? If you it's almost just like if Canaan was the United States, Moab was Texas, Israel was California, Edom was Louise, you see what I'm saying? But they were all basically American, they were all basically Canaanites with their own independent twist, if you will.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

So would they be considered Semites?

SPEAKER_02 14:35

Uh the Moabites are Semites. So the Moabites, you know, they are uh descend from Lot in the biblical story, who is the nephew of Abraham, yes, who was also a prophet himself.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

I only ask that because you know, just for the listeners, because you know, people tend to think like when you say Semite, it alludes to a different group of people.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

So I just wanted to get that out there.

Chemosh And Shared Ancient Religions

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Yes, 100%. And then, too, to that point, we kind of made last episode, there was a reason why, you know, Moab was the nation from the line of Semites that was, you know, relegated to us because of Moab's uh stance within the biblical story as well as again this archaeological evidence, right? When we look at Moab in the biblical story, that the Moabites are tied to Abraham. Abraham went to save his nephew, right? The Moabites are tied to Ruth, the the matriarch of the house of Judah, of the house of the house of David, right? So the Moabites are intimate and close to the uh the covenant covenant glory.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

Gotcha. Um who was Shamash?

Mystery Systems And Egyptian Theology Links

SPEAKER_02 16:07

Awesome, great question. So boom, I brought him downhill. This is this is actually a possible depiction of Shamash as a warrior God, right? Shamash. So in during this time, what was going on is what they like is what are like a lot of historians call like henotheism. And what they mean by henotheism is basically like nations like the Israelites, the Ammonites, the Edomites, the Midianites, the Aramaeans, and things like that, right? They all kind of knew the pantheon of gods and chose like their own god to represent their people, right? So Shemosh was the god chosen by the Moabites, a warrior god to represent the Moabite people. However, the term Shemosh actually has connections to the ancient sun god of Mesopotamia, Shemosh, Samosh, and then you also he's also connected to Samos, which is the sun god Shamsham, Samos, the sun goddess of Arabia, and you also have like um variations of the name of the sun god being called that also in um Hittite territory as well. So, like this term is Shemash comes from older gods as well, um, going back into Shemash of ancient Mesopotamia. Um, Shemash has also been connected to a Sarthe for Ashra. Ashura was a mother goddess that was even a mother goddess that has been found in archaeological evidence that Ashra was also at one point in time the mother goddess of the Israelites. Asherah was also a mother goddess in the Canaanite pantheon as well. So it's just like again, once you start to see like the interwoven of religion and how these different nation, these supposedly different nations worship the same, basically, ideals. They just had their own system of defining it for themselves as the character for the people. We really start to see the inner connections that, you know, these are all the same people, they just have different regional dialects and styles, just like we do today, right? You from New York, I'm from Chicago. We can understand each other, but then you know, when you talk to you in New York, I don't mean that I talk to my Chicago owners, we can understand each other better.

SPEAKER_03 18:37

Got you. So how was like, I want to know more the mystery systems as far as edu like, no, the mystery systems, education, the daily life diet, like the Moab? Yeah, of the Moab on the Moab.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

So when looking at it, right? So the mystery system in general, again, I'm glad we're connecting this because again the cultural complex of this area is stemming back to an ancient Egypt painting kinetic, right? So when we look at what the mystery system is, I want everybody to look this up. It's called the Shabbat stone. You familiar with that?

SPEAKER_00 19:14

I heard the Shabbat stone, yeah.

Medieval Portrayals And Iberian Politics

SPEAKER_02 19:15

Yeah, the Shabbat stone. So the Shabbat stone basically says that like um the memphite theology is basically the oldest theology of ancient Egypt. Right? And if anybody's familiar with the memphite theology, they're talking about Patah. Right, and Patah, right, is actually like the god of gods in ancient Egypt, like over Ra, over over Amun, over Aten, Atun, right, because it is Patah, right? Everybody else has a symbol of like the sun or coming out of chaos and all these different things. But it's the patah is that like patah created the world through his mind, through his word, from his heart. Very similar to the Marshall American approach of man is a thought of Allah. Right? So the Patah, um you know, basically the meant by theology was an intelligence-first theology, right? So in on in understanding that, then once we get from Patah and then get into somebody like a Thoth, right? Who then now becomes like the god of writing and magic and medicine and all these different things. And though's name and Canaanite is Tautus, right? So like these same Egyptian figures are in the Canaanite pantheon. Yes, right, and then now Moab, remember, so for so for again to understand this, right? Moab is the son of Lot. Lot is the nephew of Abraham. Remember how I was saying last episode how Abraham, the he basically the Hebrews, right? The people related to Abraham, etc., they were in a confederation with Amorites, which is basically the largest child of Canaanites. So a lot of uh religious, religious, religious rituals and practices and things like that are coming down into Moab from Canaan, basically from Egypt, and then Mesopotamia on the other end. So it's like the these Canaanite nations who are in between Egypt and Mesopotamia, they are like the bridge and the blend between these two ancient civilizations as well. Gotcha. So when we're looking at the mystery system of these people, a lot of it was, of course, you know, from you know, archaeological evidence and things like that. They're doing rituals, incense was a part of the rituals, you know, some of the stories talk about sacrifices and all of these different things, right? So it's just like at that time, what the Moabite religion, mystery system, educational system, intellectual system, etc., is still coming out of this Egyptian Canaanite system that's going back to 4,000 BC.

SPEAKER_03 22:25

Gotcha. Plus I let's stay on this a little bit. So I I'm and I'm glad that you brought that up. How were the Moabites portrayed in medieval Christian Christian um Christian teachings?

SPEAKER_02 22:37

Um the Moabites were you know basically treated as others. So this is a great question because we kind of touched on this on the last video. Literally, um, the Moorish kings and you know medieval chronicles by Alfonso and other uh Iberian Catholic rulers basically called the Moabites, uh the Moors, the Almoravids and things like that, Moabites, right? Because they seen themselves like basically Israelites in that, you know, since we, since you know, Christians and Muslims were at war in the Iberian Peninsula, right, they put that same um you know label on us to kind of put themselves as the position of being the Israelites. So now anybody that's a Moabite or Malachi, Amorite, etc., has now taken basically the label as the enemy of their state. But the key thing is that again, even though right there calling the Moabites as a slur and out of spite, again, you're connecting people in Northwest Africa to a people that goes back further east, and that's the real gem about it all. Is that again, right, West Africa was intimately connected with what we call today the Middle East.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can I can see that. Yeah, that you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

So it's just like there without a doubt, we know that the Carthaginian culture that's coming from Canaan, that became a staple in Northwest Africa, has a tremendous influence on um Northwest Africa. So even the same thing, like a god like Shimosh, right, who's a warrior god and Canaanite, his basically his equivalent would have been Baal. Right? So now Baal goes from being Baal in Canaan to being Baal Haman in Carthage. See what I was saying? So it's just like if we understand like what these things represent systematically, you're able to see how things got transferred over throughout time.

La Florida Claims And Colonial Mindset

SPEAKER_03 25:00

Now you you see it, man. Um, even down to the ATR religions that would all you know, they they call theirs um myth, Greek mythology and stuff, but it's the same God concept. Like, hold up, this is from the regions. Yeah, that concept's okay. I got it.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Myths are only really explaining truth. Yeah, they're only really trying to these these these myths, these myths were technology to save the truth and origins of things.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. The flies, truth is in plain sight.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

It just playing sight. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Did the crusaders encounter land historically associated with Moab?

SPEAKER_01 25:41

Did the Crusaders count land historically associated with Moab?

SPEAKER_02 25:45

So we gonna we talked we talked we touched on this a little bit uh last session, but uh I believe it was actually uh Pedro de Sentadere, who was a you know a member of the court of Spain, who was sending letters back to the king of Spain in like the mid-1500s, right? And in this letter, he said he's talking about La Florida, um, which was not the Florida that we know today, but Florida, the Carolinas, Georgia, uh Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, parts of Texas, northern Mexico, that basically that whole Gulf region was La Florida to the early Spanish course. And they said that this land was relegated. This this was the land of the Moabites, Emirates, and that they were because they are dollar, right, they have the power to take the land from them. So this is the mindset that the Spanish had coming to the Americans.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

That's that's oh, okay, gotcha.

Shasu, Yahweh Origins, And Bible Context

SPEAKER_02 26:55

You know what I'm saying? So it's like even if we want to look at it, like somebody could say, well, you know, they like like I was saying earlier, they were just calling them Moabites, they were just calling them, you know what I mean, Amorites, etc. But again, you're talking about a people with origins in the east. Even though you're using biblical words, because you put because they were putting themselves in you know, a biblical seat and connecting themselves to Israel, Jesus, etc., you're still talking about a people with connections to the east.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

The Moabites are real people, as we can see. We have the archaeological evidence.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

If we go through them more like each um item that we can, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

So I showed you the first two. This next one, this next item is uh a depiction of a Sheisu prisoner. This is from Ramses the third release at Medina Abu. Right now, the Shaysu, it's also an interesting um subject in you know historical academia because you have different groups of Shesu, and there's actually one group of Shesu, who's called like the Shesu of Yahweh, basically. All right, so again, what we have to understand, and not to go off on a tangent, but I'm gonna tie this in, is that even the Bible tells you that the Israelites didn't even didn't worship Yahweh first. Who didn't worship? That the worship of Yahweh actually came from Midianites and Kenites, and it was this process was given to the Israelites. The Bible speaks on this where it says the Lord came shone forth from Mount Ser, and the Lord came forth from Perin, which is Arabia, and all these different things. So it's just like even Yahweh was introduced to the Israelites. But to tie this point into, there were other groups of so the term Shesu just means those who travel on foot. So the Egyptians came up with this term for people that's in the Transjordan, Arabia, Southern Canaan region, because they were moving a lot on foot because of the trade routes and pastoralism. Right? So, but with that being said, again, right, if we're thinking about this, we have to think about this in retrospect. Meaning that all of the descendants, the nations that descend from Abraham and his family are related. So, archaeological-wise, when we look at the evidence in the middle and late Bronze Age about the people who are occupying this land, right, you see a lot of similarities in how they dressed in the culture and all these different things, because these are related people. So you you wouldn't necessarily find, right, Israel, Israelite customs and iconography and things like that in a Middle Bronze Age, in an early bronze age, because the nation didn't form yet. Like when the Bible is talking about Abraham and people, there is no Israel, right? So what you would see archaeologically wise is Amorite stuff, right? Because they were what they've done is they've attached this story to real archaeological evidence. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 30:44

Do something like that.

Sovereignty, Identity, And Misused Moorish Narratives

SPEAKER_02 30:46

To that point, because so the prophet is like literally now, again, right? The prophet had to basically recraft our story. Because, let me tell you why. Because again, we don't just descend from one tribe. So it's just not like we can't just like, oh, we're we're all we're all Yoruba, so now we just gotta go through, you see what I'm saying, go through the Yoruba line. It's like, no, like we descend from people from Yoruba descent, from Fulani descent to Sanhti descent, from Malian descent, from Akon descent, from you see what I'm saying? So it's like now we have to understand, okay, all of these different ethnic groups that we descend from, some have different origins, and a lot of them have origins that's going back pointing towards the east. You see what I'm saying? So it's just like through each era of time, the different ethnic groups that we descend from occupy different areas, which created different uh you know trade networks and things like that. Everything goes back to trade. So because so in in the west, you had Trans Saharan, you have a Trans Saharan trade. In the East, you had the incense trade and Kings Highway. So these things were interconnecting the people, all right? So it was just like if if if if if the Israelites wanted to or the Moabites wanted to get some money, right? They have to control the routes, which started the wars, and then that's how you get the biblical stories from that, from actual real happenings.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

Got you, I got you. Okay, so that makes sense. So it's like it's it's uh it's uh basically we could reference what's going on today to what happened in the past, or vice versa. Exactly, exactly with the whole Holland's oil control thing.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

It's like oh same.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

This is a repeat.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

This is a repeat of a global economy. Gotcha back then, and we all and we all participated in it, and that's why again the prophet is aligning us with this because if you take us out of this, we're losing part of our blueprint to rebuild ourselves, to restructuring the sovereignty, sovereignty with that. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

So that's the real sovereignty right there. Not not and no disrespect to the um the moons out there that do that kick work stuff. Yeah, it's maybe part of it too. I don't want to completely throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I see what he was saying. It's like remove yourself from that, calling yourself Negro, black colored, get back to your original self, have that paradigm shift in the mind, right? You see where you come from and know that you were here. You are, as they say, you're the originator, the land, the one, the landowner, land patent, and everything else is you. But you just lost your you lost your way.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Right. You said what your forefathers were, you are today. Right. So it's like, okay, who are our forefathers? Well, our forefathers were freighters, they were farmers, they were metal workers, they were scientists, they were employers, right? So understanding that now we can, and that's the beauty of it, we can study who we are for thousands of years.

Modern Debates And Why Moab Gets Ignored

SPEAKER_03 34:08

You know, that's the to me it's a great thing. Yeah, but it'll be difficult for people in today's day and age. Some people can because they cannot buy it, but you know, again, it goes back to the amount of information that you receive, and if it's if it's the correct information within your study, uh capacity to have discernment. They'll look at the Moors and say, they are part of our slavery too. The Moors enslaved us, so why should I study that? Why should I study this and that? Uh, and you know, some people say I see them online getting in trouble, or they doing these home grabs or whatsoever, not knowing that that's not what it's really about.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

Well, stuff.

SPEAKER_03 34:47

Gotcha. So are more somebody in the comment section say slow. See shot me well. Yes, uh slow. Are more biters used in modern identity debates?

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Wait, that's what you said, are is more bite used in modern identity debates?

SPEAKER_03 35:15

Yeah, more about used in modern identity debates. You know, people like to debate like now we have this thing on social media FBA versus Continental Africa versus diaspora Africa. I've never heard somebody say, I'm mobile.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

No, I mean, and the reason why is again, people don't understand the historical context.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Yeah.

King Mesha Versus Biblical Narratives

SPEAKER_02 35:35

They don't understand the connection. So you don't see people talking about, you know, more bites when it comes to Ivy Media debates and things like that, because they don't see the connection. Right? But again, if we understand that as a people, we we we were, as the prophet was saying, right, the more their dominion and habitation extended from northeast across southwest. Right? So in understanding that we can now again masterminds back into the ages, they can trace things there. This is this is allowing us to trace ourselves so that we can literally get back to the things that will uplift us, get back to being ourselves. Exactly. Honestly, so it's just like you know, you won't hear more about in the debate because people don't really know that much about the morabites, right? So it's like now what we're doing with this video is tying it back together. Because when we say Moabites, the prophet never just said, I mean, a little bit, I want to change my statement. The prophet mentioned the Moabites, but it's the reason why the prophet also mentions Amorites, Hittites, Canaanites, Hemathites as well. He's actually pointing to what I was talking about, this same cultural conflict. So the Moabites, right, the ancient Moabites are the Amorites, are the Canaanites, you know what I'm saying? Are, right, your people of Ad, the people that found in Mesopotamia and things like that. So now, like, he's tying us, he's giving us Moab as an anchor, but he's also tying us into the broader Amorit, Canaanite, Egyptian civilizations as a whole. The Moabite is the no, it's the entry, it's the entryway point. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

Did we speak about King Misha?

SPEAKER_02 37:39

Uh I think a little bit, but uh last time, but we go more into it.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

Right.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

So King Misha um went to war with Israel, and as the story says, uh, the Moabites were losing it to he like, and again, we don't know exactly how it went down, but this is like what the commentary is saying that basically Mesha sacrificed a whole bunch of people to end up beating the Israelites. And the Moabites the Mesh Fele talks about his victory over Israel, and it's also talked about uh well, the Bible actually, I believe, tells a different story that he lost, but we actually got the archaeological evidence of him creating the stone saying he won. Right? So again, when we start to look at like the biblical story, first off, we gotta understand that Allah says that he revealed the Torah. Right? We're talking about the first five books first when we're talking about the Torah, but then understanding that kind of moment. So, you know, in the Quran of Mecca, Allah says he revealed the Torah. Yeah, right. The Torah, the first five books of the Bible, right? Genesis, uh uh Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and so uh first five books, you say? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh uh Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and his book. I believe it might be numbers. Numbers, okay. I believe it's numbers, right? So like these are like the first five, these are like the first five books of the Bible, right? So Allah says he revealed the Torah, but at the same time, what we gotta understand is over time, right, over time the text became edited for political reasons, of course. That's why, and that explains the certain stories and interpretations that's in the Bible, right? Because a lot of it is being written, you know, after the fact, and they're trying to basically um position, you know, why, you know, their legitimacy, basically, right? Historically. So you have, right? You have give you an example. Two times basically a man was raped in the Bible. The first the first time it talks about is with uh Judah and Tamar, and then also talks about with Lot and Moab. Well, why is that? Well, these two lines are in the line of David, who's supposed to be the greatest king of Israel. You see what I said? David's in the house of Judah, who married Tamar, Canaanite woman. Then his great-grandmother is Ruth, who married his great-grandfather Boaz. Both of these are in the line of Israel's greatest king, David. Right? So it's like if you have you see what I'm saying? So if you have this Israelite hegemony mindset that was maybe going on 2,000 plus years ago, right? How do how do they how do they make sense of matriarchs outside of Israel being in the line of their greatest king? Well, you have to run the smear campaign on the people.

SPEAKER_04 41:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

This is a political tool. Well, I'm not saying it's wrong or right, I'm saying it was a political tool.

SPEAKER_03 41:30

Same tactic used today.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

So when we start to put things in context with how things run in the day, it's like, ah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 41:40

And he said they're raped, so that's the butt-breaking process.

SPEAKER_02 41:42

You feel what I'm saying? Like they got they got they got them drunk. You feel what I'm saying? Supposedly, you feel me, got them to, you know, in them. You see what I'm saying? But like those are the two, it's it's interesting that those are like two the two stories in the Bible, and they all deal with people that's in the line of David. It's crazy, man.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

How did a Moabite political structure function? Say that again. How did how did that political structure function at that time?

Architecture, Script, And Ongoing Excavations

SPEAKER_02 42:13

I mean, so the Moabites at the time, they were in like a it was a divine kingship model. Okay, right. So the the for example, King Mesha, right, was basically you know appointed by Shamash to lead the people. Gotcha. Right? And then, of course, you had your priests and things like that as well. Like, for example, um, a connection that's actually very important to bring up is the connection between the Moabites, the Midianites, and the Aramains when Moses and the Israelites were trying to pass through um the land of Moab, right? And they they tried to recruit the prophet Balam to put a curse on the Israelites. So, one, the Bible is telling you that there were prophets outside of the Israelite, the main Israelite line. Two, the Midianites and the Moabites worked together, they were in confederation, and why that's important is that the Midianites land um started in the plains of Moab all the way down to Tabuk, the city Tabuk, which is in the Hejaz. So Tabuk is like this is the is the city further north from Medina, and then from Medina down to Mecca, right? So the Midianites, right, being connected with the Moabites and then Aramaeans, is showing again how these people are the same people, just different nations. Like, for example, again, the French and the English are related, even though they're different nations.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

See what I'm saying? The same, so it's the same idea.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

Gotcha. I got you. Yeah, you're over here, you're rotting them, bro. We're not gonna we take when we hear of Moorish, or you know, we have Moorish, we think of of architecture, mathematics, astronomy, sciences, right? Yes, sir. Um, what types of homes like architecture architecture did a did the Moabs build? Was it the same structure as the Moors or like a little different?

Stolen Artifacts And Cultural Wealth

SPEAKER_02 44:24

Oh, so yeah, so they so back in that time you had you have different styles of homes, right? looking at it uh which is again an important thing is that the Moabites were more of were more uh sedentary than some of the nations that they were related to like the Midianites who were more uh pastoral in a way uh moved on nomadic moved on foot right so the the Moabites lived in a more sedentary system so at that time they probably lived in uh similar Canaanite homes uh stone built homes and things like that yeah look at that still still clean with it look at them still clean with it still building still doing their thing yes sir I'm not gonna say it much but he got a group out there that's still roaming you know what I'm saying I'm gonna stop sharing my screen I'm gonna stop sharing the screen yeah I'll I'll have them three images just to kind of show it again or no you good huh you want to share it again or you good uh if you if you got questions on it because I only had those three images of Kemas the Balu Stella and then the the Stelle of the Shasu to kind of show again uh the similar iconography all right speaking of iconography and you know as far as language you're writing what script did they use? So the Moabites had uh they they basically used the the Phoenician Canaanite script right so like and again right the Canaanites the Phoenicians is where the alphabet is coming out of right you see what I was there so the Canaanites invented the alphabet and then it basically got localized in the Moabite language in the Israelite language where you get Hebrew and uh Aramae Aramaic right Aramaean languages and things like that. So again right same cultural conflicts that's coming out of so it's like even when we think about uh we talked about this uh last last show what got passed down yeah basically everything that came from Carthage into Northwest Africa and Southwest Africa came from the same uh you know cultural complex that Moab was a part of because the Moabites are Canaanites got you are there any other um to this day and age are there in any excavations taking place right now to know more about the Moab Moabites uh I I don't know specifics but I'm pretty sure they are still doing excavations in places like Jordan and things like that. Jordan yeah because I find it odd even like it's is I'm glad you mentioned your region of Jordan right I remember when the US went into Iraq in 03 and they was like going to the museums like they was grabbing things off the museum artifacts and I'm like I was looking at some of the artifacts right and what you would consider to be so-called Negro phenotype African like that's what you saw that they were taking out the museum I'm like damn look at that yeah but it looks like our people like the coil of the hair the nose that stuff is worth what millions of dollars right yeah right these so so think about this right and it's a flex in our community like about art right you got a dope piece of art that's a flex yeah right but the ancient archaeological stuff is like that times five yeah because it's thousands of you see what I'm saying so it's so it's thousands of years old so that lets you know like what is the value of culture it is it's talking about I'm glad you said it the flex because people will buy the flex the flex of the European art right and I'm like yo I never even talking about buying archaeological stuff.

SPEAKER_03 48:21

Yeah only like I seen reference of that in that movie although those fictional um the Wakanda movie the first one yeah when you know Killmonger said that you stole that from the you know from it came from this um region over you took it from he was I think he was talking about Benin actually yeah yeah that was so powerful he said it but you took it just like everything else you took and I was like damn that's so real yeah because I always question that like I I want to see more of these things but it's always it's it always in a place from museum out in Europe or here I'm like why I won't stay in this own region is you think people won't value their own things or something like that. Like I like to see those things because I feel like a sense of pride when I look at it like damn my people really did something did something.

Ruth, Character, And Chosen-People Thinking

Infighting Then And Now

SPEAKER_02 49:03

Yeah and the reason why they're not trying to come up off of it because it's part of their wealth as a people they didn't they didn't robbed our stuff and now made it a part of their wealth the British Museum the Louvre all of these things got you got you so so so from what it sounds we are descendants of roof that's what that's what he's saying right of lot and roof that's what roof roof roof roof roof is our definitely our symbolic matriarch yes our symbolic matriarch bro you know this sounds so similar to what the Israelites the Hebrew Israelites be saying sometimes although they throw me off when they be going off that tangent but I'd be like you know when you see a brother from Africa they they are quick to say well that's not my brother he's not an Israelite whatsoever where do you think that comes from repeat the question it's from Hebrew Israelites right I know they're gonna attack me for this but they can see a uh a brother in the street that's from like Africa or the or whatever the case is and they'll be like well he's not my brother because he's not an Israelite and I'm like right that's hard like how do you how do you view that I mean that mindset is a part of their dark one because it's like you know we're the chosen people yeah right so because if you're not a part of the chosen people then you're my people right so it's that mindset that drives that type of thinking you know I mean but like again with us when you look at the Mobites in the biblical history in the biblical story we always network with other nations right reasons why the prophet is aligning us again with Amorites, Hittites, Canaanites, Hamathites is because we got the archaeological evidence to show that we wore Egyptian type clothing you know even too another thing we didn't mention on the last episode is that they even found archaeological evidence that the Moabites used the star and crescent on seals 3000 years ago yeah I'm glad that you said that because I I do see that in some ATR rituals we will have that symbol there well yeah yeah um what were they ever any peacetime with Israel yeah yeah yeah definitely definitely and that's and that's why the biblical story is so um confusing to the people is because at one at one point in time right the Moabites are enemy at another point in time they're friends you you even also got right uh alliances happening they're fighting together against the Syria they're fighting apart with Syria like it it depends it's all about the interest at the time I gotcha okay because you know being that you mentioned we're talking about this there's something that's coming to my mind forgive me I'm just like trying to really wrap my head around this yes what there's a part in Africa of Mauritania yes sir and I see like you know there's some peace amongst the Arab and uh you know uh should we call them what Moabite descendants yeah yes there and there are some times of conflict you think that you think that's remnants of what took place in the past so those Arabs that moved into that area they moved into that area like around in between the 11th and 13th centuries so once they moved into those areas at first they weren't at first they were just uh you know basically it was cool with everybody and then after some dynasties like the Almohads start to deteriorate this is where you get the rise of so these these Arab tribes are were originally makil tribes M-A-Q-I-L so you have the uh the uh the Banu Suleiman and the Banu Hassan so those are these are basically the principal Arab tribes that are in Mauritania today right so they basically came about uh in the medieval period and actually we talked I think we talked about this last video too the era basically the Arabization of Northwest Africa came at a head after the Shebuba Wars which is like like 1670s or something like that so it wasn't until after that that like Arab like true Arabization like took over Northwest Africa. Got true man I got so many questions man I don't know what it goes rapid let's do it let's do it all right um what role does faith play in Ruth's decision to follow Naomi that does that have an impact on our people yeah because I mean the the what because what Ruth's story is is that it's not about it's not about like we just why you asked that Israelite question it's not about like where you descend from it's about your character about who you are as an individual and I think that that's the disconnect with that community gotcha it's about the character it's about how you treat people it's like you can like I don't even have a problem with you saying like we the chosen people if you like intelligent and empathetic about it not brash yeah yeah you know what I mean it's like you know character it just go it boils back down to character so like Ruth is like probably again right this is a Moabite woman who has her own chapter in the Bible in it in the Hebrew Bible yeah that's powerful right there that says it by itself like the mother you know can't you can't hide it right there like you know you know and even now to the name itself like the root root like the root of it all so what happened how how did the um we know like you know they say that we didn't follow the principles of our forefathers we were disciplined whatsoever yeah um but the the the decline of our people man like to a point where we can't reach that pinnacle then what happened like did it just happen through time just gradually it was taking place that we just lost our ways and just automatically said okay just call me just call me a nigga black whatsoever like what happened I mean we we we measure time in psychology so the prophet said that you know the reason why the nationality of the Moors was taken away is because they honor not the creative principles of their forefathers. So when we're looking at you know the Moorish Empire and why the Moors Empire started to fall it was due to infighting and it was due to infighting because of uh ego politics right you know I'm from this slide I'm a disignal prophet you're not I'm this you're not you're that I'm not that right so it was basically a lot of infighting you're talking about infighting between brothers infighting between father and sisters hold that thought hold that thought because that is what's happening a lot today yeah I see it amongst and you know I don't want to disrespect Step on toes when I'm gonna say it I see a lot of infighting among so-called black groups you know that Moors versus Temple Moors versus Moors who who deal with the law and whatsoever and they are very disrespectful with one another yeah and you would have you would have thought or assumed that they were on the same playing field of trying to uplift humanity and give our people back their identity and save humanity whatsoever but no exciting about what came first the chicken or the egg my dot my my document is more real than your document you're from this lineage of moral science or you're from that lineage and they betrayed us so we don't deal with them and you have conflict in in every school of thought there's like a division in every group man yeah even even in christianity even even amongst the Protestants and evangelicals there are there are there are schisms okay but I think that even even in other cultures and nations even after a schism those people eventually learn how to work together like the Protestant church is a schism from breaking away from the Catholic church but do you see Protestants and Catholics beefing no you see what I'm saying like so we have huh because because it depends on the group because I know in I in Ireland they had issues amongst the they had to they had a day at religious wars in Ireland right yeah eventually they came together but I see it mostly plagued our people our people that were very developed that was that time and the reason why the Irish and things like that were fighting the Catholics is because you know the Catholic again you know the whole Protestant thing is like it's also mixed into what happened with the Moors. Yeah right because a lot of Moors ended up becoming Protestant Huguenots and things like that right so you know they were at war during those times because of that time period.

Coordination, Collective Power, And Closing

SPEAKER_03 58:53

But now it's like you know these groups are quote unquote at war due to our time period but our time period is the residue of a lack of knowledge got you a lack a lack of knowledge and a lack of destiny and what I mean by that is where we're actually going and taking this yo brother we gotta do a part three we got to get into the destiny of what what is the future destiny for the whole bites. Yes I know because we we we we did like a quick run through on part one and two of knowing the history of pinpoints because if we stay on this show we could do like a four hour show because there's a lot to dissect and I got questions but I'm like yo there's too much to dissect in just one or two sittings but the part three I like to do is what is the end game part yeah because you know I respect all school of thought except cults I don't do cults. Mike you don't do cults I'm sorry I don't give a cults we start talking that I'm from out of space stuff I'm like you know I hear that now before back you know saying I hear that that sounds great yeah you know what I'm saying it sounds good I think you know you gotta add a little twist to the story and make it interesting but I can't do it but I I like to know what works for our people because you know when I say our people just not here within the US United States of America I'm talking about all over all over you know we're not monolithic but what what is the end game for our people is like I want to talk to the point about what you're saying about like how we're not monolithic.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:37

You know our people if we study our history uh we can we can look at governments that were decentralized and we can look at governments that were centralized and understand that eventually we're gonna have to take a uh an approach where it's decentralized in some areas it's centralized in other areas yeah yeah right I like you know I mean and it's really us understanding that us governing ourselves is not for control but for upliftment and governance is about upliftment because it allows us to coordinate on a grander scale and that's really all we're lacking we're just lacking coordination exactly we have everything we have the smart people we got the money we got the minds we just lack the coordination that's who we is and the lack of coordination is due to a lack of knowledge a lack of understanding about who we really are and our connection because a more right we can look in the history of Moorish people and see Moors that were Catholic saints Moors that were Islamic states and Moors that were with the people of Judah like hit history and Moors that were with you and Vudun priests like we were everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:04

We were everywhere what happened what happened that's that's that's what gets me because I'm like yo we you know as the gods say we're the black man the bank of the owner couldn't apply the earth profit to relation God universe you know say yeah you know I don't quote me on that as they put it you know no disrespect to them but that right there always stood out to me that one within the student enrollment that one first question always stood out to me because it it it it it it explains everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:33

Yeah you get what I'm saying but then what happened along the way where you know we know that you know the infighting took us down yeah the outside influences and being that we know that we still perpetuate those same behaviors I'm like damn so what is it we we got we fell in love with this this kind of treatment and this in this this way of living yeah and I think it's a part of again the overall system and what I mean by that is is that like our people are still in the mindset of like trying to make it yeah of course you know what I mean we're trying to we're trying to quote unquote make it in this quote unquote white man world and it's that mentality that is causing a lack of progress is because right we're we're putting we're putting individual success and individual progress over the group collective it doesn't mean that individual success and progress isn't important but again it's about coordinating it because the biggest flex the biggest flex isn't I'll just ask you a question. What's the biggest flex you and brother Ron with the Rolls Royce or you and brother Ron whole family with Rolls Royce is the whole family. So here's what's going on is that Asiatics they get money they get power are getting into rooms where they're by themselves and people who can with money that can flex that they people also got money it's a numbers game. You see what I'm saying because young athletes and musicians are given millions of dollars at a young age to then now get into a system where they have to get a real estate agent a lawyer an accounting a this a that and these people are all in the same network but not from our community so they're just being run through the mill like a car wash come bring come drop your money off here come drop your money off there come drop your but if we have the system for ourselves for young athletes it'd be a whole completely different story.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:49

Of course you control we control the narrative we can certain things you won't be able to do have our own base whatsoever. Brother we got to get you back for part three because you know we we went over an hour and four minutes and we could sit here forever. I appreciate you man you you you're one of the brilliant minds that we have on this platform I appreciate your contribution very much man peace to you and your family thank you for your movement um to the chat don't forget to comment like share subscribe thank you for being involved for leaving your um questions in your comments I appreciate that don't forget to comment like share and subscribe go ahead brother now so to chat uh we appreciate y'all seriously I know that the last video we did did some numbers and I appreciate that let's keep it going oh definitely we we're gonna keep we're gonna keep going man that's what it's about getting that information out and definitely you know we gotta um I want to play something big man can give me a few more so we can sit down to use the nation Islam brothers and we sit down and really come up with something that's um you know foreseeable for our people man we all need it you know I'm saying brothers need brothers sisters need the sisters because we gotta do something about the youth out there that they're dying that rap numbers out there it's it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:04

You know what I'm saying while we online George Akin fighting over doctrine our children out here dying well we gotta do something about that seeing everything Mo definitely I appreciate you my brother yes sir peace and love Mike I was the NYP talk show everybody have a good evening peace