The Moorish Connection to Haiti - Mauryell Smith-El

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Haitian Flag Day And The Big Question

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Peace, peace, peace, world. How you doing? It's your brother Mikey Fever. Welcome to another episode of NYP Talk Show, the coolest, the most down to earth with Roris podcaster from this conscious space. I'm your host, Mikey Fever. Today's Haitian Flag Day. As you can see, I got the mockami thing going on right now. So it's all love, man. I just want to say shout out to all my Haitians out there. Ai Bobo Sakpaxay. You know, peace and love. Pray for Haiti. Shout out to the Haitian team from the World Cup soccer. You know, Tyson, you know, we're here to talk about the Haitian, the Moorish connection to Haiti with Brother Moriel. Smith L. Welcome, my brother. How you doing? Yeah, it feels good to be back. Thank y'all for having me back.

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Of course, you know, first things first give us a first. Honest to Mark O'Brien Darvey.

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Honestly, everybody joining us, and just peace and love to everybody, man. Let's jump into it.

SPEAKER_05 1:16

Yeah, brother. Oh man. So yo, you know, that's a dope concept you you wanted to speak about. What is the Moore's connection to Haiti, man? Can you can you elaborate on that a little bit?

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Um, yeah, yeah. I got a PowerPoint. Do you want me to just jump on that or how you want to do it?

SPEAKER_05 1:30

Yeah, let's bring up the PowerPoint, man. I got the questions after. For sure. All right. Don't forget to comment, like, share, subscribe. We got super chats. The last show was dope. We had a great panel, man. We had um Mumble Rose, Papa Mystique, brother Hassan on there. They they were going in, man.

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All right.

Citadel Architecture And Moorish Influence

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So the Moore's connection um to Haiti. Our first things first. This is a picture of what they call the Citadel of La Fieri. I mean, it was built. It was built uh within like not too long ago. Was it after the revolution? Sometime in the 1800s or something like that. But um it gets a lot of its inspiration uh from Moorish architecture. So just wanted to uh that's why this is here and it's pointed out in this first slide. But let us have to the PowerPoint. Let's go. All right, so so again, Haiti as an Afro-Atlantic crossword, Taino memory, Moorish currents, maroon resistance, and a revolutionary freedom. So hopefully, some of the uh topics we'll be able to touch on today is that you know Haiti was not an isolated historical event. The island emerged from centuries of indigenous Caribbean civilization, Atlantic migration, Moorish Iberian expansion, African resistance, maroon survival, and revolutionary consciousness. The Haitian Revolution became the meeting point of indigenous memory, African survival, spirituality, and global anti-colonial struggle.

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Go ahead, bro. Go ahead, bro.

Taino Haiti Before Columbus

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All right, so first, so uh understanding that it is the Tainos, um, which is a section of you know Arawak speaking people, yes, um, who also related to the Caribs. So Cariff, Tainos, Arawak speaking people, these are all related peoples, but specifically the Tainos uh you know were people that were populating Haiti prior to Columbus, right? So um get the book, The Tainos, by Irving Rouse, and it talks about how like uh you know Taino societies were very well advanced, um, it had a sophisticated maritime tradition. Um, again, as you see uh in this picture that's being showed, like how the different Arawakan Taino languages spread. Um, historians have come to the consensus that uh Arawakan speakers came from South America and migrated into the Caribbean, and because it was kind of like a maritime civilization, uh, you know, it was a lot of islet hopping for thousands of years in this area. So it's like again, what we have to understand is that people didn't just stay in one place and that the Caribbean, South America, Central America, uh uh Southern, North America was all interrelated or interconnected.

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Gotcha. So we we say that the Tain we we know that the Tainos inhabited the island prior before Columbus, because the island was known as Titskia. Yeah, if we put it which is now modern-day Haiti and Dominican Republic. Right? Right. So we we know that, and then later on, um, so they say, so they say, like they say, as we they say historically, they brought the Africans over from West Africa. But I have um research and discovered, this was years ago, that not all of the Africans came came from Africa, they actually came from Granada. Say that last part again? A lot of them came over from Spain when the fall of Granada.

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Right, 100%. Okay, okay. Yeah, so actually, my next slide is gonna talk a little bit about pre-Columbian African

Pre-Columbian Contact And Cassava Clues

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connections. But one important one important thing about uh Taino agriculture of the Tainos are credited with like uh cultivating and developing cassava. Yeah, why is that so important? Is cassava is a huge uh crop in West Africa that's used to make fufu. If you ever had uh a West African dish with fufu, so cassava is a huge uh West African crop, but uh the the crop cassava actually uh you know, just based off of academia records, I've actually originated with the tyino. So I think that's a uh a big connection. It's gonna lead us to this next slide, actually. All right, so uh get the book African Empires in Ancient America by Dr. Clyde Winters. Um, in this book, he talks about, I believe, from page like 35 to 43, he talks about uh connections between uh the Mende peoples and Taino, Omec, you know, American uh cultures. So some of the points that they hit on is uh there's a linguistic suffix connection. So the Omec Mendane suffix ka it indicates like a nationality or place. So it appears in Mexican place names like Toluca or Waxaca, and over 50 identical place names have been found between um West Africa and Mesoamerica. So that was the first connection is that uh the term Ka was used to denote place or people. The next similarity is uh Ta Mandang, uh the extinct Taino language of the Caribbean shares significant phonological and morphological and lexical features with mandang and omek, including monosyllabic words, accordation, uses of affixes like I or ma and reduplication for plurals. So, like uh ma or etc. Right. Um, and then the next thing they have share pronoun patterns. So Mendingo, Taino, Otami, and Maya all share striking first person in and a second person MEI. Um, so this pronoun pattern, which linguists argue, is rarely borrowed and suggests ancient contact rather than recent influence from African slaves. And then also we have an Otami in Mandang affinities. Old Otami, not the modern dialect, shares grammatical features with mandang such as CV syllable structure, tone, abutination, and specific ephesis like uh da, ba, no, along with numerous basic vocabulary cognates. And then, of course, the last point uh Maya and Mendang parallels. Mayan and Mandang languages share analogous um phenomenal systems, a distinction between alienable and alien possession use of ma for the negative mood and the subject for possession in basic vocabulary. So like ba for foda, ka for maze. So what uh the the argument that Clyde Willis was trying to make is that like the structure of certain words uh is I guess so sophisticated that it wouldn't have been like a recent migration that would have made the affinities between these languages, and that these these uh similarities would have developed over a longer period of time, which was the note to you know pre-Columbian African contact with the people.

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I I I figure I can I kind of see that I I note like you know there was contact amongst the indigenous and African um people, yeah. There was a culture between them. I know they they got to be involved with trade because the Moors were navigating the seas. Exactly, change of culture and goods.

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And that's the point. So, my point with cassava and how cassava, the significance of cassava uh, you know, kind of being originated with the Taino, and then cassava becoming a huge plant amongst uh you know nations in West Africa is that cassava is very drought resistant. So it would have been a need to trade with the Taino for Cassava because you know they're in the Sahel, they're in the desert and places like that. So, you know, having those uh access to a crop like cassava for droughts is very important when you're trying to maintain the empire.

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Wow, okay. This is good. I like I like how you're doing this when he's connection with more connection and so we so you took us from the citadel infrastructure, how it looks, yeah, down to the um ecology of the trading where the food changed the ecology. Yeah, you know. Now you're gonna take us into the more Spain and opening up the Atlantic. Because yeah, because I that's what I want to know more. I I because uh to me, I don't believe every individual that came through slavery was straight from Africa, right? Africa, right to the island. I know from Spain something took place in Spain through the fall of Granada. So

Moorish Science Behind Spanish Expansion

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go ahead.

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100%. Um, you know, so that's to tie all of these slides together, right? We just looked at our, you know, how was Taino culture, you know, pre-Columbus, right? We looked at connections with African culture pre-Columbus, and now, right, with the first contact with the Spanish, we know that that's facilitated by Moorish technology, right? So, of course, Spain inherited centuries of scientific culture and knowledge from our Andalus. The Moorish influence helped shape navigation, astronomy, mathematics, cartography, irrigation, and agriculture. And Iberian expansion into the Atlantic occurred shortly after the fall of Granada. So some of the things that they use, again, the astrolabe, right? They use astronomical tables done about moors and uh sephardic moors. Uh they use the shipping technology of the caraville so that they can have you know maneuver in the water better. Uh the maps, you know, maps coming from Ali Drisi, maps coming from Al-Masouti, maps coming from uh the east as well. So a lot, all of the technology uh that Spanish use came from the intellectual property of the Moors. And you see up here, I have uh Estebanico's route, which I know we're talking about Haiti, but just to show, like when they were making these voyages, they were island hopped. They would go from, as you can see, starting right here, from Haiti, which was called Hispayola at the time, into Cuba, up through Cuba, to the Bahamas, to Florida, and then as is when Estebanico's route, you know, went around uh the southern part of the United States down into Mexico. So again, understanding that uh the island where Haiti is at was important to the growth of the Spanish into the rest of the Americas because you know they still didn't you know weren't familiar with the territory, so they had to you know take it step by step with these different island terms. Pointed out. I like that. Um, another thing too is sugar cultivation. So again, the Moors introduced sugar to Europe. So then afterwards, so you know the sugar cultivation was one of the biggest parts of the transatlantic flag trade. Um, the sugar that was coming from Haiti, the French colony of Haiti at the time, uh made France super wealthy, right? So those technology sugar cultivation is going back to more Spain as well. Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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Any other questions on this slide?

SPEAKER_05 13:33

No, like we learned, like, you know, I'm glad you put that in the cart, like the sciences that were brought over from there. Yeah, and so so it it it so it's making sense because we hear from different perspectives about the Haitian people and culture. Like it was a mixture of different tribes that bought their sciences, the languages, the foreign language that you know, they came from the different mixture of West African relations, and then you know, with the indigenous added attitude, and then some of you know the oppressor.

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Yeah.

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That you know, we have culture as they put it rich now.

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But it's just like all of the elements that made the European empires rich came from elements that made the Moist Empire rich. A lot of these techniques we introduced today. So, you know, once we were falling, they basically just took over the industries while still using our labor to fulfill it because their population uh still wasn't you know the craftiest with it. You know, even the prophet said it was uh the expulsion of the Moors that caused Spain to fall into decadence, right? And other countries were actually laughing at Spain after they exposed the more expelled the Moors in uh 1610 because it's like y'all gave away y'all money, make it to us. Let's go next slide. Let's see. Yep.

Early Revolts And The First Maroons

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All right, so next slide. Um Enrique, right, who was a native Taino, who actually uh banded with a group of Maroons to perform like the earliest uh native revolt against the Spanish. So this is also very important because this is this happened at the beginning of the 16th century, I want to say in the uh 1520s, I believe, or if not right before the 1520s. Um, so I understand his payola became one of Spain's first colonial centers. The uncle the incomida uh system forced Tainos into labor. So this was the encomienda system, but the system that the Spanish used to uh enslave Native Americans.

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Yep, I heard about that. That was on the on the Dominican side right there. That war. Yeah, that was the yeah, that was one of the first revolts that I think was it that one that lasted about three years, I believe. I believe so. That no, it also took place in Puerto Rico as well.

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Yeah, so like uh after this revolt, this this is literally this revolt, Enrique's revolt, is actually the start of the first group of Maroons. All right, so the the the the Moors or the Moors and African people that were brought over starting in 1502, outside of the Moors that came with them, came with the early explorers, um, who have the knowledge. This is more so like uh African or Moors laborers that came in 1502. Uh these again, those Moors and Africans that came with the Spanish during those early periods, right? This is what again, with this revolt, this is your earliest Maroon community. Your earliest Maroon, the first Maroon communities is communities that's mixed indigenous and Moors people coming from um Spain. So this is your first Maroon group. And also, again, this this sets the tone for why Haiti has uh you know this long, this long-lasting legacy of resistance on that island.

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I believe the marabouts were there too, right? As they say, the point of the marabouts, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Uh of course. So we we're definitely gonna kind of hit on that in some later slides as well. But again, the the Marabouts, again, these are just uh West African Sufi holy men. Okay, right? So, you know, these are just you know, these are Muslims with herbal and scientific knowledge and the knowledge to spread uh brotherhoods and things like that, that you know, made they work also to um the Caribbean and uh Americans. All right, gotcha, I got you, bro. You make it so little, but what was key about them as well is that they were used to living amongst non-Muslims, okay, right, which made them understand how to coordinate and organize with non-Muslims, which was the result of a lot of the revolts in the Americas.

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So they were tolerant.

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All right, so to this point, so the first quote unquote African pure African revolt in the Americas comes during 1522 by uh some Wolof Moors and they actually they actually executed this on Christmas uh December 25th, 1522, on Christmas on Diego Columbus, Christopher Columbus's son. So, how about that for a Christmas movie?

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Talk about it.

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So uh again, right? The wool off people from the Synagambia. That's what we gotta understand too, is that like the fort the the uh the late 1400s, early 1500s, that first layer of Africans brought to the Americas are coming from direct Moorish territories. The oldest layer of Africans brought to the Americas are direct Moorish territories and people. From the Senegambia up to Andalusia, people brought to Andalusia.

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Well, that's the contribution to the world they talk about, also.

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Right. So it's like when these other ethnic groups are now being brought to the American, now they're just adding a new layer on top of that layer, and then those layers get syncretized, and then now this is where you get the the hybridized religions of you know Santeria, Gandoble, Obese, gotcha, Halo Mayande, and all of these different things. Is that as the as the different years go by, different elements are now being added on to the the original Moors play. And this is why the Maribu point is so important because again, it's it's the Motor Boots, it would be those uh Maliboots, Soninke, uh Wangaran type trade settlement diasporas that would have been used to living amongst non-Muslims. So oh my god, which would have allowed and carried over coordination efforts to the Americans.

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Just bust my head, yeah.

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All right, so some escape rebels formed maroon community. So again, from that revolt, from that 1522 revolt, it was crushed. The revolt was crushed, but a lot of those uh Wolof Morals were able to escape to those same maroon communities in the mountains from Enriqueo's revolt. See what I'm saying? So now it's starting to coalesce again. So the earliest these these early maroon communities are direct um uh participants in the Moorish Empire.

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Gotcha, got you. Gotcha.

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Brother, you that's that's pretty intense.

Islam And Vodou Links Through Talismans

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Yeah, bro. So now I was saying, as these layers are starting to get added, right? Here comes here comes the the Haitian voodoo layer, right? So voodoo is coming from this area right here, right? It's coming from the people, the Iwe people, the Aja people, the Fawn people in Dahomey, Benin, Togo, parts of Nigeria. uh parts of uh ghana etc right so once these people started to get added into the mix right what's the what is the what is the islamic element right so the islamic element that's being added with these nations is the talisman which is very important which is used for protection right uh the prayer structures the sacred writing the numerology and divination that was used and the spiritual discipline right so a huge component of uh of the intermixing and connections between islam and voodoo is especially the talisons yeah right we use for protection and they also connect us to the Sony people as well because the Sony people were known to make uh these talismans or grigrees in West Africa prior to European uh encroachment as well I would have had this right I I know the Islamic um there are the legends of when the revolution took place there say in law like when when the revolution took place in 80 they said they were in the alligator woods was known as guakaima and our legend what the al the alligator the woods the alligator woods'ima uh so they say sometimes some people say it means Kai uh a house Kai in Creole means house in creole a home so they say wakai ima so some people say it means an imam's house what it is after that right but then also that's a legend that they say about the revolution don't quote me on this but um I know Apollo they say it's uh salamalego sala yeah they that there's definitely uh particularly amongst Jamaican Maroons they start their meetings with our Salamalego yeah but it in Haiti like we don't hear too much of um Islamic only thing I know closest to that with the was the marabouts I think when I basically had the knowledge of that so to see you build on that that's very you know it's very um very inspirational man very very introduced man I like that so it's a talent trip with like your players that's true so especially uh right I think we talked about this maybe in a previous episode but the the but the movie the woman king yeah the movie the woman king so again fawn people uh right cut to now a bomb was the capital uh where the uh the amazons from the movie the woman king were at right so they were at war with the oyo and it was in the war between the oyo and the the homemade people caused a lot of uh voodoo practitioners to be shipped over to the Americas because you know as as different ethnogs fight the captives become yeah in place so you know these elements of these specific areas of these groups practicing voodoo in these areas were always a part of the network more further north uh which was in you know the sphere of of more trade like what they get the horses from the turbines the things like the the textiles yeah I got I got you I got you somebody saying uh in the comment section don't forget about King Christopher from Haiti no we never forget King Christopher about Tolo what is that I couldn't hit that last part don't don't forget King Christopher I said we never forget that the brother the brother was building on that we forgot go ahead uh all right so I I did get a chance to finish the rest of my slides but I know where I'm gonna take it so from this point right when we look at the deeper Islamic voodoo uh connections right people like the Tibukman in Markendale there's there's a lot of uh debate and information out there that they were also Muslim when they were Muslim house but they also were voodoo priests so again here you here you have people who are uh known to have a Muslim background and also the voodoo priests that makes sense though exactly as well as they were spiritual but Suki ain't yeah particularly particularly coming from the Senegambia region or uh region in Guinea in those areas so in understanding that again bookman bookman and Marchandale they had a huge influence on people that would play a major role in the Haitian Revolution people like John Jacques Dessalines Tucson but as well as somebody like George Bissau who was in Haiti but then he migrated to Florida

Haitian Revolution In A Global Firestorm

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and linked up with some of those there. So like Florida is also connected to the Caribbean and what was going on too because again you have this you have this uh movement amongst what they was called you know Creole peoples or Atlantic Creos. So again what was going on at the time right when we get into the Haitian revolution the Haitian revolution is happening at the same time that the French revolution was happening so the French having their own revolution made the conditions perfect for the Haitian revolution to uh spark up as well because the forces are divided resources are being divided the empire's in turmoil right so it was the perfect time for the Haitian revolution to come about as well as understanding what was going on in the world with you know different abolition movements and things like that. So like the Haitian revolution is connected to a lot of uh global outcomes when we look at again right these voodoo priests who were Muslim who sparked the leaders of the Haitian revolution and then you also have right connections of two star low church um rocking the fans in his uh Liberia Congress um depiction of him and things like that like again these elements the elements are super prevalent in this story we know that the Haitian Revolution and what it stands for as far as like our sovereignty as African and Moorish peoples it was it was uh the motto and the example but again it didn't happen in isolation right it wasn't purely just the people of Haiti because we also have people coming from the Americas migrating there other people coming from Africa other people come from different places because what we had also was the uh the intra-American slave trade where natives were being taken from places like Virginia the Carolinas Massachusetts and places like that and stripped to the Caribbean so like these elements that that so there's a Caribbean element there's a North American element and then there's of course African and Creole mixed with European elements like again like we think that for us here born in the States that people from the states also have no connection to Haiti when understanding that it was a corridor that people were moved from the southern United States to the Caribbean people from the Caribbean move from the Caribbean to the southern United States so like we're all really connected oh well that's gonna spark a lot of controversy because some people may not want to hear that because they could be blinding yeah I always tell them don't think so small because um part of the reason I purchased was a result of the Asian Revolution exactly it was a convergence that's why New Orleans has the history that it's got because it's right there definitely it was a corridor these three different people are moving through the corridor so as you see right somebody like um somebody like uh our brother who founded the city of Chicago he was a slave yeah he wasn't a slave right he was a merchant so again depending it depending on what your situation was well determine how you moved about determine how communities were created so you you have at the same time you have people being enslaved but then you have these maroon communities but then you have these who they call Atlantic Creos people that can move amongst the different empires Spanish Haitian and English empires and play them against each other as well a lot of that was going on too you're right you're right you're right yeah so um now that we know it's in different parts of Africa different tribes got involved which created these um small um how did I say groups um created language of the create the creed the Creole the Creole concept this language of Creole with the foreign people um what part of those like descend from the large like you know are they any similarities like your language of like we heard about the language part as far as the culture is still contained today outside of science and everything else yeah so again you know a lot of the uh you know the herbal knowledge that's in voodoo and hoodoo right that's coming out of uh the the the agricultural revolution that the more started in Spain a lot of that a lot of the herbal knowledge and understanding like uh botany and what to do with certain uh plants and things the herbs and things to you know to use to weaponize there was an entire agricultural revolution that the more started um earlier in the last millennium um you know what's so dope that I'm glad you chose this to speak about I've been hearing some more than I know and they could tell me brother Asians are part of the Moorish movement they say the top on top of your flag look at that little cap. It's a fence brother yeah they are Moors you guys are Moors and you know I was told this back in 09 and then I started doing some research I'm not saying I'm astute like that but yeah brief research and I'm like Citadel as you say the way the the the cotch with the butcher the citadel the wrapping of the head even down like in traditional things like uh ceremonial garments and you get what I'm saying yeah so I mean oh I'm there yeah gotcha gotcha the crops that was used uh the the purification rituals right with water a lot of different things so again again as we can see starting from the 15th century starting from that first contact uh with Columbus and his people the Morse layer is kept getting added on to and that's and this is just true for all the Americas honestly because your first Africans brought over were people directly from Moore we also have you know I think it's indirectly from Morse areas the further south of the coast but again that first though for the first 200 years or within the first 200 150 200 years a majority of those people were coming from what they call the Senegambia region and we talk about this on other shows but as as um the Portuguese and the Spanish are exploring the western coast the Atlantic coast of West Africa right they start they they start from the north they take Suweta from Morocco and they start going further south or start in parts of Mauritania and then they finally get the synagogue and they get all the way down to Ghana and they get all the way down the Congo right so the Spanish the Spanish had the northern part the Portuguese were all the way down in Congo and then they started to bring their people from the Congo Angola region to Brazil right but the Spanish they had the Caribbean and North American so they started bringing people from the northern part Senegambia Morocco Mauritania initially to the Americas as well so it was basically just based off the geography and how the Spanish got further south first is what allowed which people they were taken as slaves to the Americans gotcha right and then the French the French as well so then now once the French take over the uh the portion of the island that could come the French they set their uh post up in Senegal as well um St. Louis St. Louis yeah which was which was a uh their major trading center in West Africa so all of their people are also coming from the Sinegangia region as well are you saying that they were trading from both sides because you said that Haiti was basically being used as a port to funnel people through yeah so what they were doing is not only were they taking people from Africa and bringing them into the Americas but they were taking people from the Americas and shipping them to the from North America and shipping them to the Caribbean. And then of course too people indigenous people from the Americas from North America the Caribbean Central South America they also work on the ships and things like that as well so there's also a record of you know them being taken to Africa too and to Europe so again there's there's the history of the Caribbean and the more connection to North South Central America is a convergence of these uh several different ethnic groups coming together can we find like you know I know you mentioned the name of the authors and everything else but can we describe these like in the archives of national archives of Moors you know people being labeled as Moors that went to the Caribbean from stuff like are you saying so you're asking the archives for like some of the stuff that I'm saying I can put some I'll put what I'll do is I have a list of sources I can just send it to you and we can put it like I guess in the description of the video yeah definitely because you know the only reason why I asked for this this is so vital because you know some of our learning was delimited within the curriculum school and this as we got older we started we were able to go out there and do some research on all these subjects to go further into our studies. Yeah it's like it's amazing like this right here should be this should be taught in schools you know especially in youth definitely definitely and I think that's that's that's the big point is that like I feel like you know up until you know the exposure to the internet and DNA testing and things like that is that like we were basically you know conditioned to think that you know we came from a single a single singular tribe singular ethnic but we're we we have the blood of several different ethnogies several different tribes several different nations so it's like if we want to truly honor our ancestors we have to honor our ancestors from a holistic point of view right this is why Morris nationality is called is because it's the really the only nationality that incorporates several different ethnic groups right because even if you say you say uh you know like somebody let's say somebody take a DNA test they found out they're 50% Nigerian they may say well well I'm Nigerian now well you gotta understand that in Nigeria there's several different ethnic groups there as of uh uh Hausa Filani uh uh uh uh uh uh Dukan Igala Nupe there's several different ethnic groups in Nigeria

Creole Corridors Connecting Haiti And America

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so even though like a DNA test was telling you you Nigerian they're not even telling you exactly what tribe you come from as well because there's several different you know tribal groups in there as well so it's like the Moorish perspective is a perspective that can be historically back that it always incorporated several different ethnic groups I want to look back into the history man because thinking about it now with the Asian flag in the middle of the coat of arms the arms street as they call it with the red cap on the top right the red cap off as we know Kathleen Flound um Katherine Floin created the flag I want to know what motivated her to put that on the top of there like that's something that you know I gotta go back and ask my parents and some of you know elders like put that on top of the flag and then that first the first flag in Haiti was black and red you know what I'm saying so I want to know the significance you know it was the hell the people in the blood that was shed but no once he ended up putting at the top of the coat of arms yeah uh well you know that that that cap you know representative of liberty yeah um you know it's a soft version of the fast fix working represents literary liberty you know the Haitian people freed themselves so I think that's probably like probably the closest uh explanation exclamation that probably makes the most sense but again these elements these Moorish elements these voodoo elements these the only elements are the characteristics that make up now what we call Haitian culture and I think that's also something that we need to understand is that like none of this stuff I think we think as you know Asiatics so-called African Americans Afrobean Afro whatever here in America we think that a lot of stuff that pertains our culture today is something new when really it's nothing new it's just something rebranded and synchretized from the several different ethnic groups we come from yep but again that's nothing new under the sun exactly no that's like you know I'm honored today to celebrate now that they have you get celebrating this as well I was new Asian history you know that's you know as we said in the last episode we couldn't know maybe but I was wanting to let's go start it back to that before you were slaves. Yeah where do you where do you come from yeah I don't want to know what we were after slavery innocent of us you know yeah and I think that's that's the missing connection like we have we have to understand what happened with slavery because it gives us a point of view that we can't get from the leaders and heroes and stories and scenarios that happened after slavery because it was all it's always dealing with resisting oppression. You need to understand how to build national institutions. And the best way to study how we build national institutions as a people is to study the empires of West of medieval West I because from there we could then see okay how do we administer things how do we you know govern trade routes what policies did we have um you know what what was the treasury spent towards for the duck from the government like all of those things we can study pre slavery that we wouldn't get that same perspective post slavery. Like yes we built parallel systems post slavery but it's never been in a position that didn't involve resisting oppression. We gotta understand how the design Without resistance of thinking about somebody else.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 44:06

We got to design for like what we want. We know that there's always going to be other players globally, but right, with Chinese, Indian people, Russian people, all of the big nations of the world, they're not thinking about the agendas they have for their people, how somebody else is going to mess it up. They're thinking about how strong their people are to carry out the vision. Same thing for us. The rest of the slides uh were a little bit unfinished. Um, but I can go to the former slides, or we you know, we can finish with some questions.

SPEAKER_05 44:54

I can finish the question. So the connections between we know where many of the Africans came from. Now we know not all actually came from Africa, but if they did, we'll get off from Spain. Yeah, we're not following nowadays. So we can go into that. Um cultures that were going over, you know, being number Sufi and Slam Sufi, Islamic brothers from scripture, but I think some of the Muslims discipline of Muslim prayers and structure, with a prayer and cos cosmology and carton, what's a lot of stuff. Yeah, what else can we bring over, right?

SPEAKER_06 45:33

Well, uh to your Sufi point though, I want to speak to a tradition um that is just talked about. It's called uh the Sawari, uh Sawari philosophy in West Africa. It was it was like a pacifist philosophy, meaning that again, uh Muslims were supposed to lead by example. They were not supposed to like overly try to compel or compose somebody to join Islam. They were supposed to uh lead with knowledge, academia, lead with trade, lead with being useful to people. Okay, talking about the religion last, like letting their life kind of be a ministry or an example of what a good Muslim should be like. So that philosophy definitely found its way over to the American because that's why it allowed these different people from these different areas of West Africa to then unite themselves with again the different indigenous people, the Taino, Arab, Arawak people that were also that also fled to the mountains to create these maroon civilizations. So maroon communities are nothing but neo-Moorish communities. Let's be clear on that. That maroon communities are neo-moorish communities in the Americas. Because you gotta think about it. Again, in West Africa, the closest thing that would have allowed most ethnic groups to communicate with one another would have been Arabic. Arabic was the lingua franca, it was the language portray. So this is what allowed a houser to speak with somebody that was a con. It would allow somebody that was mandated to speak with somebody that was of Yoruba descend. Right? So when we look at okay, these different people are now taken from their homes, right, and shipped somewhere else, and they're starting an uprising, and now they're fighting for survival to run into the mountains, run into the woods, run into secluded areas and create community. Well, how are you gonna do it? How you how are they communicating? What are they using, right? They would have to use the things that made the most sense that they would have relied on back home. So the elements of language, the ajami script, uh which was used uh to write African languages using Arabic letters. So you have documents in a jami and housa, and Mande, uh and Ulani, and several different West, West, uh, West African ethnogroup uh languages. They will write their language in the Arabic script, just like French, English, Italian will write their language in the Latin script. It's kind of true.

SPEAKER_05 48:40

I want to ask something. Now that we know we know there was an Islamic influence on the trade of the people to you know, the trade of the people over the 80s with many were

Syncretism, Survival, And Building Nations

SPEAKER_05 48:50

in Islamic background, right? I think the conversion, like we know the the war that took place between Catholicism and Islam, right? Yeah. How did the stronghold of Catholic Catholic religion went over on Islamic influence or hatred? Because you know, that's the Bible thing right there. Like we need a force, like we said, we said they would learn to live amongst others, but you know, the dominant religion became the properties, I think.

SPEAKER_06 49:19

Yeah, so that's a twofold measure because we gotta understand too, like, what did the Catholics learn from Muslims? And then we also gotta look at okay, how did uh traditional African religions disguise their uh religious you know practice rituals under the guise of Catholicism as well, yeah, right? So again, it was the Moors were the first Africans to be forced to become Catholics, yeah. It was the Moors who were the first Africans to be a part of the Maroon communities, so then now when these other Africans come with these African traditional religions, who can they learn on how to syncretize their religion to Catholicism?

SPEAKER_05 50:13

Oh, I got you. You see what I'm saying? Uh got you, yeah. That makes sense. It's like the story of the Templars and the Captain. Oh shoot. We're in the Templar's part of them, they were they were fighting Islam, right? Something like that.

SPEAKER_06 50:31

Yeah, uh during during the uh during the crusades, during yes, but here's the thing they were fighting, but it was more so a fight between the elite than the actual soldiers, because you will have the actual soldiers who will have friendships. Because usually when these wars are fought during these time periods, there's time for breaks, trade routes is usually open. Like war is really more so uh how nations interact from each other and learn from each other most of the time historically, and like one nation destroying another nation's culture. Bro, war was also like a uh a meeting place for change of culture as well.

SPEAKER_05 51:18

Yo, I just made a connection in my head. I could be wrong. Let me know if I'm reading too much. Chat, let me know if I'm reading too much. Haiti and DR share this share the same violence, right? Yes, sir. They say different cultures do the language whatsoever, but now I get it. Hades so the inhabitants can they inherit their own to them. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm seeing the sign of oh, this is why they can't get along. Not all, but they some of them have that contention between them. Yeah, one side is waving the Bible, and the other side is hiding the culture behind the synchronis, the synchronision or the on the islands. Yeah, we have some in the r that practice the Buddha as well, it's gonna be a different name. Yeah, I'm like, oh, it's the same thing, it's the same war.

SPEAKER_06 52:15

It's yeah, they're just expressing it.

SPEAKER_05 52:17

Oh, bro. Yeah, we just made oh shoot, yeah. That's what's happening.

SPEAKER_06 52:26

Yeah, and like that's and that's really like the more, the more we start to understand the systems that were already in place in what they call the old world, the more we can understand how those systems integrated into the events in what they call the new world.

SPEAKER_04 52:45

That's why they don't like they put on openings that they would never forgive you for doing that.

SPEAKER_06 52:51

Because it opened up so much, it inspired so many revolts and uprisings throughout the Americas, throughout the world. Right? This is and this is going on at the same time as the French Revolution. So the Haitian Revolution is even forcing people in the French Revolution to stand on all this equality and stuff that they're fighting for. Yeah, they'll be a depth, you know, right? You would have if you were somebody in France at the time fighting for the French Revolution, then you supported the Haitian Revolution, you would have been like on the extreme of that perspective during that time, yeah. They would have called you an extreme liberal, all because right that they fight for these things called equality for a whole time that they're uh uh reducing people to property, and these people are rising up, and then they are taking down the empire, the European European Empire on their own, but that also speaks to timing and what's going on today, as you see, empires are falling, it's the opportune time to start to build parallel systems. That's what we learned from the Haitian Revolution.

SPEAKER_05 54:16

It's happened to this day, France doesn't happen right now.

SPEAKER_06 54:19

France is France is losing ground, America's losing ground, Britain's using ground, right? These transitions not only that the Haitian Revolution happened, but what factors were at play that allowed it to be successful? You have to look at these patterns.

SPEAKER_05 54:50

So I don't want to clog up the people's uh, you know, the people want other shows. I want to keep saying, oh come on, man, you're gonna do a part two on this. Now it's like there are times I'm sitting down as you speak, and I may not be responding, but I'm taking things in, I'm listening, and I'm I'm going to laugh in my head and like, oh shoot. I see them now. I see what we're saying because it's making sense. You got both nations on that long island.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:14

On the breaking and you're going to be like, you have to have your like the coat of artists, like a talisman on there. They don't get asked quiet. Oh my god. Everything on every not every communications is is language of sync groups. I'm not gonna let that on that. Yeah, even down to Moroccan, it's a cent, it's a it's a pentagram.

SPEAKER_06 55:42

It's a pentagram is an amulet. And that's why you know I say like uh why circle seven is so proud. Because we here we here we have these history of talismans and amulets. Here the prophet goes to give us a talisman and an amulet that represents perfected man, yeah. Right, and how we how each individual can be perfected in the car of the will of the whole so that we can be a perfected nation, yeah. So like this this topic is deep, bro.

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