The Vodou Narrative: Told by Haitians UNFILTERED, and about his new book!

The loudest voices online love to “explain” Haitian Voodoo, but too many of them never lived Haitian culture a day in their life. We sit down with author Papa Mystique to get the inside view: why Vodou knowledge was historically gatekept, why so much of our spiritual history lived in songs, prayers, and ceremony instead of bookstores, and why Haitian authors have to lead the narrative now that we no longer have to hide.

We go deep on the history that shaped modern perceptions, including slavery-era survival, missionary pressure, and how Catholic images became part of Vodou practice. Papa Mystique breaks down the Congo connection, coercion disguised as conversion, and why knowing that context helps you separate real Haitian Vodou from myths and propaganda. If you’ve ever wondered why people argue about statues, saints, and “syncretism,” this conversation gives you a grounded framework without flattening the tradition.

From there we move into what outsiders can and cannot claim. Yes, the lwa can call anyone, but lineage, culture, and lived experience matter, especially when people start selling “authority” online. We answer listener questions on Ezili as divine feminine energy with many frequencies, talk ethics and integrity in community leadership, and call out the scam culture that turns a healing tradition into content. We also touch controversial topics like the Clintons’ Haiti connection and Vodou leader Max Beauvoir, plus a thoughtful comparison between Freemasonry and Vodou as spiritual sciences and life paths.

We close with Papa Mystique’s upcoming book of practical “resets,” simple traditional formulas meant to help people solve problems with everyday tools and ancestral wisdom. Subscribe, share this with someone who’s serious about Haitian Vodou, and leave a review with the biggest question you want us to tackle next.

Transcript

Opening And House Updates

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Uh uh uh uh peace world, peace world, how you doing? Welcome to another episode of NYP Talk Show, the most realist podcast in this conscious sphere. Don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. We got super chats, we have merchandise on the website. So go out there, do show love. As you know, you know, this this podcast is currently under attack by you know, you know, those people. I hope y'all watching. I was gonna keep my foot in your neck and put a up your ass too, so keep messing

Bringing Papa Mystique On

SPEAKER_01 0:44

with us. Tonight, we got a special guest, our brother, our good brother Papa Mystique, who's familiar on this platform, a great author who broke down Haitian rules in his book. If he haven't got a copy, he would tell you where to get the copy at. And his brother did preview me to another book that he's we're currently working on, and this book got a lot of viable information. If I first do welcome our brother Papa Mystique to the podcast, peace, dog.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Ayy Bobo, peace, peace, peace, brother. I'm glad to be here again to uh you know build with you. It's always a pleasure, you know, to uh to be on this platform.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

So thanks again. Thank you, brother, man. It's been a minute, man. It's been a minute, man. I appreciate you for real, man, for coming out with showing love, man. You're doing a great work for our community. I hope people go out there and we'll pick up that book and come become very familiar with what you're doing with all your efforts, man. People might tell me. Can you tell me the name of the book?

SPEAKER_02 1:40

What the the name of the new book?

SPEAKER_01 1:43

Oh, the the first one and then the first

Writing Voodoo For The Youth

SPEAKER_01 1:46

one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

So the first one is uh Mysteries of Haitian Voodoo. That's the name of the first one. And that book, you know, has been out for about a year now, but it is, you know, been received very well by the Haitian community and you know, and and and more because you know, it's a book that is uh very different from what's been out there recently. And you know, I I did it with the intention of you know reaching out to you know the youth as well as you know uh those that are older that may have you know lost the connection to their culture or may want to know about their culture.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Exactly. Yeah, I respect that. It's very very important to us to preserve the culture and the culture, preserve the culture and the information that's being um, you know, that has been bestowed upon us, man, which is a blessing. Right. That you are one of the voices out there that's representing for our people, a voice of our own, you know, because I have been um doing some search online before I became before I you know was aware of your works.

Why Outsiders Became The “Experts”

SPEAKER_01 2:56

A lot of books that I see that are based solely based on Asian boobs are written by non-Hensian people, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:04

And I like to go why is that that yeah, so that's a big deal too, because as you know, I'm I'm someone who is an advocate for you know our story being told by our people, and so for a very long time, as you mentioned, our story has been told by people who are not Haitian. So, what does that mean? That means that there's an underlying reason for that because when you look at many other cultures, they have books about their own culture by their own people that are very popular. The difference is, and you know, not to be long-witted about it, but the difference is that because our culture has a strong history of gatekeeping, right? Which the gatekeeping is actually tied to something else historical that happened, which means this that our ancestors had to practice voodoo in hiding, okay, because if they did not, if they practice it out in the open, they will be killed. This is just common knowledge for anyone who has done any history on slavery on the island. They know that you know, Code Noir, it you know, you could not group up, you couldn't do certain things, or you would be killed. So they had to do things in hiding, they had to camouflage, and that's how the syncretism with the statues, the images, you know, with the Christian images, that's how that comes into play and holds on very strong because we had to do that. Our ancestors had to do that. That's a fact now, yeah. Right. So now here we go. We get our independence, right? And so you figure we should be able to practice voodoo openly, everybody should be, because we're free. However, there was a lot of disagreement about voodoo, and so it never fully became accepted, although the ceremony, which you know, many people consider as what ignited the final ignition for the revolution, you know, everybody knows that that was a voodoo ceremony, but moving further along, we have always gatekeep voodoo for those historical reasons and for reasons because there are secrets within voodoo, yeah, and so we didn't write these secrets in books, these secrets were passed orally. Our story, our histories were sung in songs or were were spoken in prayers. This is where our history of of Haiti and Voodoo is, and so that's why a lot of people they love the music of voodoo because they can feel the struggle, right? Within the lyrics, you know. Um, a lot of uh famous groups out there, you know. Um Azor, you know, when you listen to his songs, you can hear, you know, you can feel the history, you can feel the ancestors, you know, in his music, right? And many other artists that come from voodoo. So our history is told not in these books, but in our interaction in the music, in the prayers, and our continuous preservation of our ancestral traditions within all of the Paleistils and the Bhajis and the Lakus and the Society's, which continue these traditions. So this is where our story is mainly told. So if we're busy telling our story through songs and prayer and ceremonies, nobody's writing the books. So the only way the books could come out is if someone actually took the time to concentrate on doing just that. You know, we live very different lifestyle culturally as opposed to say people here in the United States. Right? So 90% of the people here in the United States, they have to get up and go to a job, and they schedule their spirituality on Sunday. I'm gonna go to church on Sunday. You working

Slavery, Code Noir, And Gatekeeping

SPEAKER_02 8:20

all through the week, you you partying on Saturday, Sunday, I'm gonna go give it to God. But in Haiti, in Haiti is very different because 90% of the population is not getting up going to 95. 90% of the population, they have to get it off the land. The land, which is nature, so they have to connect with nature in order to make sure that they can eat, in order to make sure that they don't have a roof over their head, which means by connecting with nature spiritually through voodoo or other spiritual practices. But when you look at voodoo, we deal with what nature, and so our people they're dealing with the law because they want the law to make sure Azaka, right? Make sure the land is fertile, make sure the plants grow azaka. You understand what I'm saying? Mama don't, you know, please protect me. So this is a lifestyle, this is uh everyday lifestyle for people in Haiti who are in voodoo. This is all they do. You understand what I'm saying? So they're not gonna take the time to write a book, right? But a visitor who's used to scheduling spirituality can come and say, Hey, you know, I'm gonna take a vacation and go learn about voodoo, you know, write about it or whatever, you know. And there's a major difference there culturally and how the story is being told. Because this person didn't come up from the struggle. This person is just visiting. Do you follow what I'm saying? Okay. So that's why it's important that we tell our story because us growing up in Haitian households, we know our culture. We know how the struggle is, we know how it is for our people. There's stories that we can tell that no other person can tell about us. You know what I'm saying? This is something, it's like we can talk about something within our Haitian culture and it's like an inside joke. And we have to really take our time to explain it to everybody else so that they can understand. This is what culture is. You see what I'm saying? And so because we know our culture, who better than us to tell our story? Not saying that somebody else can't tell it, but you're gonna tell it from a different perspective. Let me tell the story from the inside. Because I'm gonna tell you what my great-great-grandmother told my great-great-grandmother, and what my great-great-grandmother told my grandmother, and what my grandmother, and so on. You see what I'm saying? This is where our stories are coming from. You know what I mean? Our stories are not coming from books. So, meanwhile, if people want to tell stories about, you know, tell our stories, well, what better time than for us now that see, we don't have to hide no more. That's the that's the transition that voodoo has made. It's evolved to where we don't have to hide voodoo anymore. Do you understand what I'm saying? It's not that saying that we don't gatekeep because we absolutely gatekeep. That's why we have initiations and people that want to come in, they have to have a way in. They can't just barge their way in. You know what I'm saying? You have to have a way into voodoo, right? But but we are not hiding voodoo. So just like the evangelicals and the Christians, they going out there preaching the good word. Guess what we can do about voodoo? We could tell people about connaissance, we could tell people about their bitation, we could tell people about their ancestors, we could tell people about the law, you know what I'm saying? From that land of ours, we tell them about the Tainos. Yes, we could tell our story. You know what I'm saying? We're more than qualified to tell our own story, and that's why, you know, that's why it's so important that so many other people who are in voodoo. Now that we can tell our story, you should write a book because people want to hear our story from us. There's not enough books on Haitian voodoo by Haitian people, and I'm imploring all the mumbo's, all the hoonguns that's out there, that's Haitian, that know our story, that have a story to tell, because your perspective and your vision is important. Tell your story, tell your story, brother.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Beautifully said that right there. Hold on, I gotta give you, I gotta give you, I gotta give you the whole story. I gotta give you that because that was very deep right there. Because you know, it's easy for some a visitor, or as Ding Dash would say, you know, I'm gonna be very frank about it, a culture voter, a visitor, to come in and document what he or she sees and write about it. It's easy to give the explanation, but you you cannot identify it. You don't like it, you don't you can't, you know, it's like as Denzel said, you can't walk into a person who's non-black. And again, I want people to know we're not being prejudiced or racist here, we're just giving you the facts. You cannot come in and tell me, you know, the smell of a hot cold going through your hair. You can identify those hard days of you know boiling water when there's no hot water, no other feelings you get from that. You get what I'm saying? So have you lived it? No. So it's it, I think the audacity comes from the audacity that they have for voodoo. Some people view it as a marketable thing where they could profit off the profit off of it. And you have to also remember that those that so-called empower have a sentiment of resentment towards the concept and history of voodoo down in Haiti. Right. Because you know, they always associate voodoo was part of the Haitian revolution, right? It was just it was just one of the factors. So I want to ask this question right here.

Missionaries And The Catholic Images

SPEAKER_01 14:03

Um, how did the missionary accounts affect perceptions of voodoo? You said the missionaries?

SPEAKER_02 14:12

You mean the ones that went out into the the villages and the little towns and uh yeah, how did they play a role? Yeah, they played a major role. In fact, you know, a lot of people they when when when we're looking at voodoo now today, what we're seeing is a lot of uh removal of the images, right? As we were just talking about. And I've written in my book about it, and I've spoken about it, that the images that we use in voodoo, we largely use them, our ancestors largely use them so that they wouldn't die. That's a fact. This this is this is something that is told in the majority, if not all, Haitian households, about how the images became incorporated in voodoo. All right, I'm gonna just make that note for one minute. Now, there's a lot of people who are not Haitian who like to say that, oh well, you know, there's Africans that came to Haiti already Christian, so you know, and the reason why they like to make that strong association is because of that sense of belonging into voodoo. Because obviously, yes, the European, the Catholicism was synchronizing the voodoo. That's how we got the images, right? But many of them like to point to the fact that there were Christians that came from the Congo, well, Africans that came from the Congo that were already Christian, were already doing voodoo and Christianity. Let's get to that for a minute, because that's the truth. And if you read my book, I absolutely wrote about that. That there were people from the Congo who were already practicing a form of Christianity. But how did that happen? Don't say that they came over to Haiti already Christian without explaining how it happened, which I explained in here. Maybe they need to read my book. It happened because the Portuguese came there and they made a deal with King Afonso, all right? And part of the deal was okay, we'll do commerce with you, but your people have to convert. Yep. Okay. And they sent, just like you said, missionaries out there to what? Convert people. And so, although it was being done, and this is the thing, that's why understanding history is so important because of this. You see, while yeah, they weren't enslaving, they weren't forcing them, but they were they were coercing them. You understand what I'm saying? So they weren't forcing them like in slavery over in the in Hades because they did what they really wanted to do in Haiti, you know what I'm saying? When they got to uh to to IT, they told them you will convert, or we're gonna kill you, or we're gonna rape your whole entire family. They did that to the Tainito and they did it to the Africans over there. This is exactly what they did. So, because in the Congo, they weren't necessarily enslaving them right away because eventually they started taking the people from the Congo, even though the king said he said, No, wait, don't take these people over here because these are my people. They said they don't give a damn, and they took them anyway, and he went to go speak to the Pope, all right, who's supposed to be the authority, and they didn't do anything. So the missionaries played a big role ever since Africa, causing those first Africans to adopt Christianity and bring it over to the island, but that was very important because that's how our ancestors' lives got saved by learning from the Congo how they would mix the Catholic images along with their spirits, their law, right? And so the Congo taught them, said, Look, this is what you do. All right, you don't gotta die. This is what you do. I do this for Legba. I this for I do this for Ogu. You understand what I'm saying? It's a survival method that they came up with. And this is how, yes, it got incorporated. Yes, the images got incorporated because obviously they couldn't have, they couldn't speak about the law directly, so they had to have the images. And so that's how it got so deeply, you know, uh, and intertwined into our culture. And now today, that's why we say today we're free, right? We ain't gotta do that no more, and so we can't completely take it out because obviously, you know what I mean, it's ingrained in the culture, but slowly but surely people are removing, you know, the images, you know what I'm saying? And to me, it's like this however you feel your connection to the law is if they fine with that, that then to me, that's I don't think we can dictate whether people should have or not, but just having the knowledge of where the images come from and the history of them and these things, having knowing the truth, then that will help us, you know, understand how to deal with them moving forward because the images are not the law, you know what I mean, but they are you know they are present.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

A focal point, like it just gave me an idea, and I'm glad that you you you you got into that because I wanted to touch on that because it's very important. Because, you know, again, not to flatter you, brother. I appreciate the work that you're doing, and it's important to have you on this platform to talk about that because I see the shift taking place in Voodoo, where sooner or later it's gonna be misrepresented, you know, by people that don't look like you and I that's gonna be dictating what voodoo is, how voodoo should be practiced, and you know, telling the histories because you know I see it a lot online. You get what I'm saying? I get it, you know. Um, you know, flatteries are a great thing. I appreciate people coming there to learn about our culture. You get what I'm saying? I'm trying to say it's yours, right? So I'm I'm

Where The Line For Outsiders Is

SPEAKER_01 20:57

glad you put that. And I just want to I want to elaborate more on the foreign influence that shaped the narrative of Voodoo, like when I the writers, because you know there's a lot of books out there. I forgot the author's name when I was about 21. And I read about this author was not even Haitian. I was like, this dude's from England, but he somehow was like the authority voice for voodoo. He'd be like, Yeah, what he's saying is true. Authority voice and for voodoo, where in England? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I like to know, like, where does that audacity come from? Is it does it come from the fact that you know some like major figures in voodoo and Haiti tend to open their doors to welcome people for money and not find the principles of an exclamation?

SPEAKER_02 21:50

Right. Well, I'm gonna say this, right? So the law can call anybody. They can call anybody. That's a fact. You know, I mean, I think anybody who's in voodoo know that the law can call on anybody that they want. So I don't think the issue is that you know someone who's not Haitian says that the law is calling on them. There may be a lot of it that is, you know, maybe more than half of it is bogus, but I'm not gonna say all of it is bogus, right? I'm not one to say that. So because of that, you will find people being drawn to voodoo. Because yes, the law, the law are universal. Of course. Now, what is it? Now, where does the I guess the boundary, the uh boundary, I guess, that should exist begin? The boundary begins when you kind of start to branch where the culture came from into other things, and it then it starts to become unrecognizable, right? So let me break that down a little bit. So, yes, voodoo is the type of practice where you will have the ability to do other things, absolutely. So when you look at voodoo, yes, anyone who's a hoonga or a mumbo who's in voodoo, yes, they can basically practice anything, all right? They are gifted like that, it's just like there's a saying about like Haitian food, right? Hey, you know, not everybody can cook Haitian food, Haitians can cook Haitian food and they can cook everything else, you know what I'm saying? But everybody can't cook Haitian food, so it's kind of like the same thing with voodoo, you know what I mean, where you know we can do a lot in voodoo, but when other people start coming in, the dynamic starts to change because when they're coming in, we have to understand that they're bringing in their baggage too. So they have a perspective, and that's why what we're talking about is really complicated because, like I was talking to you, because me and you we are Haitian, we grew up in Haitian households, we understand the culture. So there are certain things that when we are taught in voodoo or other things, we understand because there's a personal, there's an ancestral connection there. When someone from the outside comes and you know they're eating with you, they're doing things with you, they're picking up on some things, but there's a lot of history behind just that one little thing that they're picking up that they're not getting that that they can only get through basically being born within the culture. They can pick up some things, right? Because, like when they when you look at someone that comes into voodoo, they're gonna learn about the law, they're gonna learn ceremony, they're gonna learn about Vest, prayers, songs, all this stuff, right? They're gonna learn the Majit Law, but there's so much into Maj by itself.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 25:26

When you talk about the Fay, there's so much faith. No one person can know all the fay. You know, we all have to come collectively to kind of like say, you know, get a good list, but not one person's gonna know all every single fee, you know what I'm saying? So when you look at somebody from the outside, they don't have that network like we do because we're on the inside, so we can't just go to one Haitian family, we could go to multiple Haitian families where when they initiate, they're strictly dealing with that lacu, that family, and they have to depend on you know whoever is has brought them in to give them all the information. And as I just mentioned, one person can't have all the information, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 26:10

Talk about it because voodoo is so vast, man, because you know the public and even those that just start waking up about it automatically to say, Oh, we just know about one law, you know, adult or maybe the ogus, but there's so many others that have you know ancestral that's that's that's very deep break, David, for yourself.

Lwa Beation And Haitian Lineage

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Yeah, you you're talking about loision. See, this is this is another thing. Someone who's not haitian, and I mentioned I think I mentioned this on your last show. Someone who's not Haitian cannot talk to you about a loi beatation. That's a fact. They can't talk to you about demonbre because they don't have it. Do you understand what I'm saying? You Haitian, you got Haitian parents. Guess what? You got two beat out right there. You got your mother's beatasion, you got your father's beat out, and then their parents, right? They got their beatation, and so that's when we start talking about demonbre, which is the old oh oh houses where our family used to practice voodoo, where they may not be practicing voodoo no more right now. And so you also have what you have Dante, which is like real ancient ancestors. This is what I'm talking about. That who's who that is not Haitian is going to explain that to you, especially if they don't know that.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Talk about it and probably speak yours.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

Yeah, most of the voodoo they're gonna talk to you about is based on the voodoo that they were initiated in. They can't talk to you about other voodoo, and this is the thing, Haiti's very diverse. We have uh a diverse array of voodoo in Haiti, the Taino at Gina.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

Thank you. The Taino I see I see with the color, I see with the blue in the head, but continue.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

Yeah, yeah. We have the Taino with the Guinea voodoo, right? And so with the Taino at Guinea voodoo, this is a voodoo that derives from you know the Africans as well as, but mainly it was a it's a Taino site. The Taino had their temple there and they preserved it. And so you go to the Laku and Limonade that's led by uh uh Mumbo Ingrid. You know what I'm saying? You could follow her on Facebook or you know, I mean, and she they post a lot of stuff about Taino voodoo. This is what this is the tradition that they're holding on to. Then you have um, you know, the Gina tradition in the north, you know what I'm saying? Many of them are not gonna know about that because the Gina tradition, they're not initiating people who are not Haitian like that. Okay, you're not gonna find many people who are not Haitian initiating into Guinea. I've never seen it, not to say it doesn't exist, but what I'm saying is I have not seen it. Okay, so that's something to think about. But whatever they do initiate in, so a lot of people initiate into Asegway because Asegue is it's more of a bit when you look at their leg, it's more uniform, right? And so within that tradition, they can initiate people who are not Haitian because they can keep track of who's initiated and who's not. You follow what I'm saying? Whereas within Guinea, if they were initiating in Guinea, you probably couldn't keep track because in Guinea, they have different legal months from Laku to Laku. You know what I'm saying? So who's to say that this initiation is sufficient? You know what I'm saying? Whereas when you're initiating Aso Gue, you know you got to go through that kanzo, you know what I'm saying? And so for many of them, you know, who've had to go through the kanzo, this is recognized as them officially entering into voodoo as a hunger or a mumbo, right? But you mentioned something earlier about people just getting initiated for the money, right? So then you have that, so that kind of you know hurts, you know, hurts a little bit. So yeah, so not because it happens, right? But how do you know someone who's done it for the money? Well, they're calling himself a hunger or mumbo as a gway, and they don't know anything, they don't know a prayer, they don't know a song, they don't know how to make rounds, they don't know how to, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 30:52

So I got you. Yo, yo, damn, brother. You I I want the people to know, like the uh the chat is asking questions. Some people ask questions, um somebody's okay.

Ezili And Divine Feminine Power

SPEAKER_01 31:05

I don't want to throw you off the course. No, no, you're good. This person said, Can you talk about Ezra Lee? I hope they understand that Ezoli is very fast.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

Yeah, which which well I could talk about Ezoli. All right, so as you were just about to say, yeah, Ezoli has many different frequencies, many Urzeli's, right? But Ezoli, when we talk about Ezoli, regardless if you're talking about Ezoli Dantor, Ezoli Fueda, Gun Ezoli, right, Erzali Mampion, regardless of which Erzali, Ezoli is like a title, right? So, like Mumbo is a title, the name Erzali is like a title, too. It's like uh like a queen is a title. So when you're talking about Erzali, you're talking about royalty, a royal woman, a woman of high standard, a a Haitian woman, okay. This is the model Haitian woman from Guinea, Ezoli. Okay, so when you talk about Ezolie, a lot of times you don't even have to ask. You already know. So, this is what I'm talking about. When you look at Ezoli, regardless of what dimension, what frequency, you know, or what type of energy, you know that Ezolith energy is a female energy. You understand what I'm saying? It's a it could be a motherly energy, but it's a female energy. And we know when we look at the female energy, it has many different frequencies, right? You have you have soft women, you have strong, tough women, you have very intelligent women. You understand what I'm saying? So these are all different manifestations of Ezoli, and now you could start attributing different names to these specific frequencies, right? So you have Ezoli Fueda, the beautiful young woman, right? You have Gun Ezoli, which is the older, the grandmotherly uh Ezoli, and you have Ezali Dantor, which is the motherly, the scorned mother ez ali, and so and so on and so on. When you're talking about Ezoli, you're talking about a feminine energy.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Okay, divine feminine. Yo, I'm glad you mentioned about the women because the um group that I frequent that I'm with, it's a group of um H women that practice room. Shout out to lasting my guy on Flatwith, Mama Louis, uh Beuth, uh Martin and all of them, Josephine, Mary and all of them, right? Shout out to them. Yo, to see these women venerate spirits and how they carry themselves, bro, it's something else, man. I'm like no disrespect. I know the guys are not gonna like what I'm saying. It's like they have more integrity than the men. They carry themselves, bro. It's they little, but they will knock a fucker down in a second. You know what I'm saying? It's like they they they embody that and they stay on their regular, as you said, and I'm glad that you mentioned that because a lot of people don't know what regular regular means. They just go in there, they just go pay somebody like all right, give me a spirit, give me a god, whatever. And they out there on stupid stuff, like it's no social media, it's not aging, it's no moral, there's no ethics.

Social Media Fraud And Real Standards

SPEAKER_01 34:42

How do you view that popular stuff?

SPEAKER_02 34:46

You know, um that's that's a good question. And I don't think it's uh I don't think it's a question for like overall, I think it's an individual question, right? So this is an individual issue that we're talking about, right? Because I don't like to broad stroke. It's easy to label a group of people a certain kind of way, but then within that group, you start to see that some of them are not all like that, and so that's why I have I like to treat each individual differently and separately. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people, you know, they're broad. I know people they say stuff about, you know, like Asagwei, and I'll say, no, you can't say that. You don't say that because not all of them are like that, and then sometimes be the other way. Oh, you know, they're all jealous. No, you can't say that. Everybody is different, everybody's on their own individual spiritual path. And just because we all may be voodooizan, that doesn't all mean that all of our paths, you know, are gonna be parallel or in alignment. No, we may be all be headed to Guinea, but some people are gonna go this way, some people gonna go that way. You understand what I'm saying? But the people that's going this way can't be talking about the people that's going that way if they haven't arrived yet. You understand what I'm saying? So we can't be quick to judge because everybody is on their own spiritual path, spiritual journey, and learning their own particular lesson. You understand what I'm saying? So that's why I don't say many things. That's why you'll never find me going against people saying, Oh, they're doing this wrong, or they're not supposed to do it. I'm not gonna do it in that manner, you know what I'm saying? Because as hungas and mumbles, we use the utmost, you know, level of intelligence, you know what I mean? Because we're leaders in our community. You understand what I'm saying? So we can't be like everybody else. If everybody else is fighting, and then we join, want to join, get in that stuff. You how are we helping anything? That's not our job, you know. And we say a lot, we know our job is to not to demontee, which means we're not to go, you know, say somebody's lying. That's not our job, you know what I'm saying? Our job is to be the best example, so people will say, Oh, that's how you do it. Not to say, Oh, he's not doing it right, but then people look at you, you're not doing it right neither. So the best way is for you to be the best example. Say, man, that's a good whole gun right there. You understand what I'm saying? And if you notice a lot of people that I invite on Papa Mystique's um uh podcast, right? What are people saying? That's a good hung right there, or that's a good mumbo right there. Because I like to talk to upstanding people in the community that I know is doing the real work. You understand what I'm saying? I like to show those examples of people rather than the ones that are on TikTok or Instagram going back and forth saying that they're mumbles or whom guns, and it's like that's not really a good example, terrible. You know what I'm saying? So we have to just like I was saying about our story needs to be told by us, it's the same way that we have to put out the people that are doing a good job, we have to put them out in the front. Because as you see, what have they done to our culture? Regardless, not just voodoo, but just our culture as a whole, when you look at the entire black community, they like to put foolishness out there in the front. But anything that's dealing with the spiritual elevation, you know, I'm saying things of that nature, you know, they want to clown stuff like that. But the the buffooner, that's what they want to put out there in the front. You understand what I'm saying? And they want to put all the negativity so that our children could subscribe to that. But surprisingly, our children are not falling for that no more. That's why it's so important for voodoo, right, to be spread because our children they're looking for their true spirituality, they want to connect with their true spirituality. Our children then know our children are gonna be the trailblazers, and that's why it's up to us as the elders, right? Pass the torch to them, pass the torch to them so they could take it and run with it because they're gonna do beautiful things. There's a lot of people doing beautiful things right now. There's some young mumbo doing some beautiful work. Uh, Queen Asha from In Grace Yoga, she's uh a doula. You know what I'm saying? If you can see her work, oh, she has magnificent, beautiful videos, you know. I'm saying, and you could see how how she is, you know, using voodoo in such a beautiful way. There's uh the sister, uh uh uh sister four year bum bomb boo dantes, same thing, they're showing you the beauty in voodoo, and that's what we need to do. We need to show the beauty in voodoo, not that you know what I mean. That mess, you know. I mean, we gotta show the real voodoo, the beauty in voodoo, and that's our job. You know what I'm saying? That's our job. That's why when I see good voodoo, I'm sharing it, I'm liking it, I'm sending it to people. I'm saying, look at this, look how beautiful voodoo is. You understand what I'm saying? That's our job today, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Yo, I'm glad you said that. Be that model person that those that's coming up could follow. Because I'm glad you mentioned that, man. Real, because um, people are losing the morals and ethics of what we what voodoo are supposed to represent, which is healing and teaching and being community-based. Not exactly, not no fat Uber that's gonna lie to people at multiple this and that. You know what I'm saying? Don't get me started, brother. Yeah, as you told me, he's like be good. Um, in your book, right?

The Clintons, Max Beauvoir, And Voodoo

SPEAKER_01 40:33

I I read your book, The Whisperies of HM Boodoo. There was a chapter that a passage that stuck out to me the most was about Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton going there going to 80s for the honeymoon. And they were fascinated with the HM culture, the spiritual aspects of voodoo.

SPEAKER_02 40:51

Can you elaborate more on that? Yeah, so there's a lot of mysticism surrounding that, and I think it's important that people know about that, right? Because let's just think about this. For all these years, since you know we were kids, they've always been saying, oh, voodoo's evil, voodoo's bad, voodoo's evil, voodoo's bad, voodoo's evil, voodoo's bad. That's the devil, that's job, job, job, job, job, right? Um, you know, in the movies, they soon you, you know, all kind of stuff. And this is how they have indoctrinated people with the bogusness and the foolishness about voodoo to make people scared. So here's the question Bill Clinton. At the time, he had ran for, I want to say, attorney general in Arizona, and he lost the race. So him and Hillary Clinton got married. This is before he became governor and president. This is back in the days. And so him and Clint Hillary Clinton got married, and while they were on their honeymoon, they had a friend of theirs who was telling them about Haiti. And so while they were on their honeymoon, they decided to go visit Haiti. When they went to go visit Haiti, and one of the authors that I highlighted in the video that I just made about books on voodoo, Max Beauvoir. Max Beauvoir, he was the IT, meaning he was the head supreme voodoo priest in Haiti. Yeah, and he was a bioengineer, he had advanced degrees in biochemistry, very, very intelligent. He didn't even have to go into voodoo, yeah, but he went into voodoo because his father was a hungang, and his father passed away, and he retired from bioengineering to go take over as Hongang for his father. So when he took over, obviously he was very because he was so smart and intelligent, he was very influential in the expansion of voodoo and people's interest in voodoo. Because here's this bioengineer, what is he doing doing voodoo? So this piques the interest of people because they want to know, and this is why I talked about all of those Haitian authors who all of them were scholars, all of them were very well educated. See, that is important because when people talk about voodoo today, they think it's a bunch of dumb people. No, when you look at voodoo, we have very into some of the smartest people on the planet. Talk about you have homeguns and mumbos out there that you don't even know who they are, and they are in high positions, but you won't know it because obviously of the perspective that people have of people that's in voodoo. But if you knew where they were, they would shock your mind, all right. So now I mentioned some of those authors, so but Max Beauvoir, he was the supreme voodoo priest at the time and When Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton came over, they participated in a ceremony. Some people say they he wrote that he witnessed one, right? But you know, much is to be said about uh what happened, right? But what we do know happened afterwards is that when Bill Clinton, because remember, he lost in that election. Yeah, after that ceremony, and he writes about this in his book, he went back and decided to run for uh again, and he ended up winning governor, and he ended up becoming president twice, and has always, since that very first time he went to that ceremony, has always been going back to a Haiti, owns property in Haiti. You know, he's maintaining a relationship, even though that relationship has been very ugly, right? With all the scandals and stuff tied like that, because he's not really a good person, but he came and they gave him a formation. Not to say he was initially, some people say he's initiated, but he was not initiated. But he received the formation, was basically you receive, you know, some type of lesson. You know, they teach you something about voodoo. You know what I'm saying? And it's possible he may have gotten something something done. We have that in voodoo. We have where we can give you good luck, we have where we can give you power. Yes, that's a part of what we do. Was it given to him? You just look at his career since that honeymoon, and you tell us because before that career, he was headed nowhere. And you know, there's a lot to be said about that too, but I'm gonna leave that at that. But I want to point out the fact that while our people are not interested in voodoo, and that's not all of them. There's a lot of people that's not interested, they're like, Oh, that's not good. Bill Clinton, your favorite president, went to Haiti in 1975 with Max Bouvoir and received a formation in voodoo, and he respects it and he writes about it in his book. You go read it. So you can say it's job all you want, but you like the man, he was your president, of course. You voted for him.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

I'm telling you because yo, this is something that happens across the board, not only with H, but many other no many black nationality. They reject what's for them, but will embrace another, and they will put that other culture above theirs. You get what I'm saying? Right, you know, a lot of like you know, I've seen a lot of H people be lying, elders that be in the church. I don't miss the buggy style, right? Whatever the case is, let them go through a breakup where they child gets caught up in some legal stuff. They're gonna run to that mumbo's house real quick. Right.

SPEAKER_02 46:47

I mean, let's let's just let's just be real, right? So, for everybody that's listening, you know, and I can attest to I know for a fact this happens. A lot of these Christian or you know, these Christian pastors or priests, they go to Hungons and Mumbolds for spiritual work. I have had Christian, you know, big big time Christian uh people, you all right? International come and listen and get guidance from Papa Mystique. Okay, because yeah, it's true. You're not no matter what you're involved in, you're not always gonna have it all. And so, you know, for a lot of those Haitians, they know that culturally, ancestrally, that we are connected to the law, that we are connected to our ancestors, and they know that they are in a spiritual uh a religious system, rather. They know they're in a religious system that's not really feeding them, they're only in it because sus will look at them differently if they say they're doing voodoo. You know what I mean? So they have to maintain that Christian image because and and in a sense, they're not even really living because they're living a lie, and that's why I tell everybody what I tell y'all about voodoo, voodoo's liberating. The proof is in Wakaima. But when you start practicing voodoo, you will see that how it frees you. Talk about it, frees you when you're spiritually aligned because voodoo's name about nature, and when you're spiritually aligned with nature, when you're spiritually aligned, you are free, just like every other thing on the planet.

SPEAKER_01 48:27

You're connected, you're one. I'm gonna live in a lie, you're in prison.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

You live in a lie, you're in prison.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

Talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 48:36

Yo, but speaking prison, you know that.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

I'm gonna take one more question from the panel, right?

Freemasonry Compared To Voodoo

SPEAKER_01 48:41

Um, I wanted to say, uh, man. Yo, just hearing you talk, man. If I could keep you here for four hours talking, I'll pick your brain, man. Because this policy was is real. I can't even go into it. Somebody asked this question here, right? This is this is then this is close to home to me. Is Freemason better than voodoo? That's a good question. I'm gonna say this. Haitian voodoo to me is the purest form of Kabbalah. I'm gonna leave that guy, bro.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

No, that that's a good question, right? Yeah, because when you look at voodoo and you look at Freemasonry, you know that there's a relationship, right? You know that there's some there has to be some kind of a connection, right? Because of the the mysticism, because of uh the science, right? The science, because see, voodoo is universal science, right? And when you're talking about freemasonry, that is a science, too. Let me give you a little history really quick. The first emperor of our societe in Haiti was Jean-Jacques de Salines. You also know that the Jean-Jacques Dessalines was the first emperor of Haiti, right? So he's the first emperor of Haiti, and not only first emperor of Haiti, but first emperor of our societe. Why is that? Because when we got our freedom, Jean-Jacques de Salines, he didn't want us to lose our freedom. So, as you know, he has that old goo energy, and so he's he's the one that mainly was like who bit that boule guy because he's no nonsense. And so what he said was look, if we're gonna have all these associate, and we're gonna have all these, you know, voodoo, if we're gonna have the Freemasonry, then I have to be in charge of them too. Because any one of these groups could come behind my back and execute me and assassinate me.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

Talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

So he became the first emperor of Haiti, he became the first emperor of the Associate, he became the first Hungon Asogwe. He also um told the Freemason brothers, right? He said, Look, I'm gonna let y'all do your thing, but you have to make sure that y'all don't cross me. And so, you know, things happened, of course, and of course, we all know he was assassinated when he was assassinated by Freemasons, two Freemasons, right? So if you just look at the history, right? Freemasonry has been there alongside of voodoo, right? And most people who either go into voodoo they end up becoming a Freemason, or if they become a Freemason, what they go into voodoo. So the two are like, you know, we're like this, and so you'll find people who are hoongung and Freemasons. That's very, very common. So it's not whether you know one is better than the other, it's what your path is asking you for, right? Because you can initiate, become a Freemason, and then the law comes to you. What are you gonna do? Not answer the law, you're gonna say, No, I'm not going, no, and you could be already walking with the law, and you know, there are entities asking you to ascend higher because you have a bigger role to do, and you get these messages throughout your spiritual journey. So it's not like you're like, Oh, I'm gonna go do that, I'm gonna go do that. No, your spiritual journey, your path is what guides you to whether you're gonna be a Freemason, voodoo, or both. Do you understand? So don't look at it as one is better than the other because it's the person that's applying it. That's who has to be better. The person that's applying it has to be the one that can that's able to do because, like I said, these are sciences, and when you start, and and that's the thing, Freemason is high science, right? That's a fact. Voodoo is universal science, so you're gonna find everything in voodoo, everything.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

That's the beauty of it. Oh my god, beautifully said it. When he married both, oh my god, you do wonders.

The New Book And What A Reset Is

SPEAKER_01 53:23

Before we get up out of here, man, I want to talk about this second book, your book of lessons. You sent me a transcript of it, brother. That blew my mind, bro. Say it again, the book of lessons that you sent me. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That book right there, yo, reading it, but I'm still going through it. Powerful, bro. You gave us free game on that book. I'm like, oh, you know what? Right. I don't have to spend thousands of dollars. I gotta write it. Right.

SPEAKER_02 53:53

And so that's the that is the good thing about this book, bro. So regardless of what you're going through, there is an answer. And so, what is a reset? A reset, and it's not a spell, right? So it's not like Western occultism, like a spell. A reset is a tradition, a reset is a list of ingredients or a recipe or a formula that our ancestors would derive in order to come up with a solution. And the thing that's very beautiful about a reset is that you could use common everyday things to do a reset. Because with the reset, see, there's something mystical in the reset, right? Because it's something mystical because you're doing rituals, right? So it could be something as simple as you know, having a pair of scissors and a bag of peanuts and you know, saying something on it a few times and then going to place it somewhere. You understand what I'm saying? So, what is that? So that's why you see, do not be afraid to be mystic, do not be afraid of anything, you know. I'm saying people want to make you feel funny if you think if you feel something magical, you feel something mystical. No, let them live in that world that they want to live in. They call it the world you live in, make believe. No, they live in the make-believe world because they're living a lie. But when you start understanding the sciences, right? So when you start seeing triple threes or you start seeing triple sevens, that's not for no reason. That is synchronicity. So, what are you doing at that point where you hit where triple five is hitting you? What connects to that triple five? Do you understand what I'm saying? It is good to be mystic. That's where you're gonna find the answers at. You're not gonna find the answers in doing everything like everybody else is doing. Hell no. I don't want to do nothing like everybody else is doing. If my ancestors is telling me, pick this book up and put it down seven times, and then you're gonna get your answer, that's exactly what I'm gonna do. You understand what I'm saying? Because to me, knowing what they went through, the struggle that they went through, they came up with the most, they came up with the most greatest solution for the most impossible situation. All right. So if that one guy, if that one guy could work for them, then it could work for me. And guess what? And I'm not in chains, so any the solution they got for me, I'm gonna use it, regardless of what it is. You understand what I'm saying? And I and I I've been using it, and I've been giving anybody that knows me. I always give this free game right here. This is my because it's my favorite one, because it's been working for me ever since, ever since, and this has been decades.

SPEAKER_01 56:46

I'm gonna give one to you. See, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go through that book, people. Yo, go pick up that book on top of me, stick past give me stick. I'm gonna say it's for real team moon at the shop.

SPEAKER_02 56:57

Um I've been given this game, brother. The queen, the queen, the queen, the queen with the rice and the clothes. All right, this is this looks simple, right? This is what we call a rally manavini. Okay, the meaning is gonna pull, it's gonna attract clients, it's gonna attract money, it's gonna attract business no matter what you're doing. This looks simple, right? Oh, this is just a book. No, this is something our answers and believe believe you me, wherever I do business, I have one of these, and it has never failed me, and I'm never gonna stop.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

Okay, so how do we say queen English for up to for our for our um Greek is a calabash bowl? Calabash bowl. But somebody asked also when can

Where To Buy The Books

SPEAKER_01 57:45

I get the book? I believe the book is on Amazon, right?

SPEAKER_02 57:47

The book is on Amazon, it's written in Creole, it's written in Creole, but the book is on Amazon. But guess what? Everybody that's listening, the book is being translated to English, okay. The book's being translated to English, it will be available in English by next week. So y'all look out for that too. But this book is very, very, very powerful, very, very powerful. All right, a lot of stuff in it, and look, it's illustrated. All right, so just giving you a little example of what something you know, the list set should look like, or what ingredients are there, because sometimes you may not understand what it is or how to put it together. So there's an illustration to help you along the way, all right.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

So beautiful, brother.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

You know, so you're very pivotal, important to the community, man. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. It's not just me, it's a lot, you know, it's a lot that comes behind me, you know. I a lot, a lot of great teachers, a lot of great friends. You know, it's a network.

SPEAKER_01 58:53

I say that because you know, those who are online talking, you know, it's very imperative. And you know, again, like shout out, rest in peace to my uncle. Um yeah, rest in peace. Shout out to Mama Lose, Mambo Lose. It's another mother who was side by side my uncle who embraced me. I took it as a spiritual mother too, man. To look out for me, man. It's very deep. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to the rest of them in that group, man, because these people always drop information on you. One thing I want people to know about when you're within a voodoo organization, if they're not giving you information on your character, your morals, you're in a bad place. I am right and fortunate to have that. You get what I'm saying, right? You know, when we talk online, when we talk off the phone, it it same thing. You always, you know, giving me insight, like your brother. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_02 59:46

Yeah, man. That's how that's just my spirit, man. That's how I am. I want to see everybody win. You know what I mean? I want to see everybody win. You know, and you know, that's why I do what I do, you know. Uh I'm always sharing, always bigging people up. You know, I want to see people win, man. You know, I think there's room for all of us to win, you know. We're sharing good stuff, you share the knowledge.

Patreon Invite And Closing Thanks

SPEAKER_02 1:00:08

You know, the people that's you know, in my classes that's join my Patreon, they know they know how I do. You know, I share, I share everything. You know what I'm saying? Because I want people to understand our culture and grasp our culture the right way, the good things. And don't let nobody who is, you know, an outsider, you know, try to bang your head in just because you don't have a door. No, papa mystique is the open door. There's a leg by here, all right? There's a leg bar right there, and leg bar he's the doorway. You could this doorway here, legba will let you in when you come to Papa Mystique. Yes, I'm gonna let you in. I'm gonna show you, I'm gonna introduce you to our beautiful culture, and I'm gonna introduce you to the good people that's in our culture, not those scammers out there, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

Yeah, definitely. No, uh, we got the I'm glad you said that, man. These scammers out here, and like again, I'm being I'm behaving myself, but you know, I'm gonna say this to you, mumbo's to your Ugans out there that are doing wrong, justice will be served. It's the eye that sees everything. You cannot be 400 pounds talking about in order to bathe the woman, I have to climb on it. Listen, that has to stop. You can't be the Bill Cosby. Uh let me stop. You can't be the Diddy of the Asian community, man. Right. Harvey Weinstein ass you can't you can't do that one style up, but anyway, with that being said, Papa Mystique, I appreciate you, brother, for coming out.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:38

Yeah, thank you. Thanks to everybody, everybody that's in the chat. I Bobo to everybody in the chat. I see every single one of y'all, you know what I'm saying? And I appreciate y'all always coming out and supporting. And I promise I'm gonna continue to share everything about voodoo with y'all, you know what I'm saying? Because I want to get to see y'all in the culture, man. A lot of y'all are mumbles and hoonguns. You just need to walk through that door. You know your path and walk through that door. You're already you were born that. That's how you got here. You were born that, all right? Don't let nobody tell you different.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:11

That's a fact, and people want you to come back, man. If somebody wants to do a show strictly on the island on the law, as we got we gotta talk about that to have you come back, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

Yeah, we can do that always, always. I'm always down to do that. Make sure y'all join my Patreon too. I share a lot of stuff. I just actually did something on Urzu Lee not too long ago as well. You know, my Patreon is uh is popping, you know what I'm saying? I give a lot of great information on there. You know, there's a free trial on there, so you can just check it out. But it's very cheap, you know. I mean, it's $777 a month. You know, that's nothing, man. When you spend that on coffee, you if though more than that on coffee, you know what I'm saying? I'm giving you some real good food, you know, on that Patreon channel. Man, I'm giving you the real stuff, and I'm uh, you know, so check me out on Patreon. Make sure you check out the books Mysteries of Haitian Voodoo by Papa Mystique on Amazon and Liss said voodoo ICN by Papa Mystique and Andre Pierre, my my homeboy, my fellow Hungan, as well. You know, I mean, you can check us out on Amazon as well. I'm I think I'm gonna throw a few of these copies on uh on TikTok TikTok shop, too. Man, I'm gonna see your brother, you you must, man. People love to listen to that. I don't even know they're gonna be bad if I put them there, but I'm I'm gonna put up there anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:24

No, we have to, man. You gotta put the word out there. People don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. You got super chats, merchandise. Go on Amazon, pick the Papa Mystique books. You know what I'm saying? Do yourself invest into yourself, then you'll be all good, man. All right. So with that being said, we out. Peace and love, people. Aye bo.