How to Use Due Process to Get Relief - Keng El Bey

The fastest way to lose a case is to walk into court guessing. We sit down with Keng El Bey for a practical, street-level breakdown of due process and how it becomes leverage when you need real relief, from traffic tickets to higher-stakes criminal and administrative matters. Instead of “magic words,” we focus on the constitutional requirements that courts and agencies must satisfy before they can act, and what it looks like when they fail. 

We dig into concrete tactics listeners can use to think clearly: how to protect yourself during a traffic stop without escalating it, why discovery is a due process tool rather than a formality, and what to request when an officer’s story depends on equipment, calibration, training, or body cam footage.Keng El Bey explains supplemental discovery, sanctions, and why missing evidence can shift a case, plus how rules of evidence can make or break the proof you bring to court. 

We also zoom out to the bigger picture: the difference between substantive due process and procedural due process, why courts must provide notice and a meaningful chance to be heard, and how community education and local institutions can reduce police misconduct, prosecutorial misconduct, and judicial misconduct over time. If you’ve ever wondered what due process actually means in plain English, this conversation gives you a framework you can reuse. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Before we go into it, let's talk. Let me ask you how you feel in this evening.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Oh, I'm feeling good, my brother.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

You can turn your mic up.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Oh, see, this is the thing. I've got this, I got this webcam. I'm trying to see. It started acting. Let me see if let me see if I can go. Is that is it louder?

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Yeah, definitely. Definitely that works. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

How about that? Is that louder?

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Yeah, that's loud. That's loud. That's good. So we're talking about due process, how to use due process to get relief. When we're talking about when we let's start, when we're saying get relief, get relief from what example?

SPEAKER_01 1:29

So when you're dealing with a case, right, due process is required things that the court and it and the court is required. It's a requisite. It's something that they have to do in order to consider the trial being fair. This is something that they have to um perform. The only person can waive certain due process rights is you. But you have to be cognitive about it. You have to understand what's going on. So they use presumption of law. Like anytime you represent yourself, they presume that you know what you're doing or you shouldn't be doing it. You should have an attorney doing it. So a lot of us don't understand these things and these components of due process due to the fact that we're not legally inclined because of a lot of misconceptions. They tell you to do a lot of things that's not appropriate to get you relief that you're looking for. So I've been speaking on due process and all the different components of dealing with core issues so we can understand and identify these elements and these mechanisms and how they're supposed to work. And we have to do a better job of educating the people, not just educating, people have to be trained in this information. I can educate you all you want, but until I show you how to exercise this, you won't know. That's why I wrote a couple of books. I got the one coming out called The Legal Formula, a way of understanding law. And then I got another book that I'm working on dealing with applications of law and how all of these things work, all the formalities. So it would help you understand the process of thinking, critical thinking in the legal field, so that you don't have to guess at this. Law is not a guessing game. And a lot of our people are guessing because they don't understand the international peace dealing with our condition, nor do they understand the domestic law as they need to so that they can now be more effective when dealing with the court.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

All right, all right. So now how look, let's say if I want relief from let's say a ticket.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

So two things you need to understand your rights. You need to understand your fun fundamental rights. So a lot of people, right? We're gonna go to the case law, Pittsburgh versus Nills, right? Officer can have you step out the court. I mean, step out the car. I meant the car, right? There's there's Supreme Court case law that support that action. So a lot of people say, no, I ain't gotta step out. No, you can you, it's a way of going about doing things, understanding the formalities of doing things. For example, police pull you over like room to get it, you're saying you were speeding. Um, you're trying to deal with this ticket, right? First of all, now he wants you to get out of the car. I'm just gonna give y'all certainness so I can address the ticket issue too. So um, you don't want to get out, but you technically gotta get out. But what would you what would what would you need to do? First, you will ask him, hey sir, um, I don't consent to getting out of my vehicle, I don't consent to a search of any kind. I need to ask you, is this just a traffic ticket, or what are articulated facts that you are using for me to get out of the car to um how I make you feel unsafe? Because he might ask you for your keys and all that. No, you keep your keys. No, I'm not turning over my property, but please explain to me how I'm making you feel unsafe. Because he should have a body camera, right? And if you don't, you should have your phone on recording, or you should be calling someone on video, hey, I'm getting stopped. I just and you can tell him I'm doing this for my own personal safety, I don't feel safe. And you have a right to be safe, securing your property and things. That's a constitutional right. So just giving y'all up with that. So let's say an officer gives you a speed ticket, right? How I would deal with the court on say something like that, I I would, okay, I would start trying to figure out the officer. What would I do? I would want to pull up his his um history as an officer. Do we have any reprimands? What was his reprimand for? Do we have any racial, do we have any flags or any type of thing, right, that I can tie into based on his conduct and years as a police officer? Has how many reprimands, how many write-ups he has, what kind of is he insubordinate? I would start there, right?

SPEAKER_00 7:13

How would you be able to find that out though?

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Through discovery, your motion for discovery.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Motion for discovery.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Right? So you would just ask for that. Then I would get into the equipment. Was he trained on the equipment? Right? The speed and laser gun, whatever gun he was using. I would want a maintenance report on that gun when the last time it was calibrated, right? Then I would ask for the KDT, the M MDT and KDT, the chatter box, right? I would want to know what was he listening to, what was what was on the box, what did he call in and say, what, what, what was his interaction when he was calling, like I'm, you know, I got somebody pulled over. What did he say? Right? Because all of that's important to determine if he had a preconceived notion. He could say I spotted a black male with, you know, dread lots. He looks suspicious. Do that, do that warrant him to stop me, right? Because now he got to have more than a hunch. He got to say this. And sometimes that stuff gets captioned or captured in those, in those transcripts, and you got to request for that. Not only do you got a request for that, you got to ask for it to be transcribed. So, because it's it's all coded. And they supposed to give it to you. So these are discoveries of part of the requisite that you can ask for, and that falls in the scope of due process because you're trying to, fundamental fairness, your job is to shed light as much on the people you're dealing with and what why the officer may have took that, took such action and was it in violation. Then I might ask for um, I had an officer say he was pacing me. So then I want to know what when the last time them tires was changed, when the last time his pacing is where, let me explain pacing. Sometimes officers will get behind you, and what they'll do is they'll follow you, and then they will use their speedometer to try to track and see how fast you're going through this thing. It's some kind of formula they use and they'll determine if you were speedy or not. It's called pacing. So you might need to ask when was there the car service? When the last time the speedometer was checked and calibrated to make sure it was on it was on point, right? When the last time the tires. Because that also plays a point in speed and traction and determinant uh termination and determining everything. You so you ask for all of these things through discovery, and you might have to file what they call a supplement of discovery. That's when you get a discovery material, and then you might find some more stuff about this thing. For example, I asked for a maintenance, I asked for the manufacturer for a breathalyzer. I said, give me the I wanted the manufacturer's um instructions. So they didn't have them. So I asked for some other stuff. They sent it over, and I had, through looking at that, I found some other stuff and I asked for a supplemental discovery based on the discovery material that they found, and I asked them for that information. They never provided me that information, right? So now I can ask the court to dismiss the case on prejudice due to spoilage of evidence or failure to provide evidence because the state hasn't provided evidence, and the judge got to uh protect due process rights dealing with substantive or procedural grounds. So substantive rights is what they call inherent rights that every man and woman and child possess at birth. It's a right given to you by God, it's a right that's inherent to every man, woman, and child, like the right to have kids, be married, practice your own religion, um, what you eat. That's a whole lot of other stuff that go into that. And the government just can't come in and start stripping you of those rights or those liberties without having some justification, some strong justification. So you got to know due process to understand how to look at things. And the problem is we don't know enough about due process to even go into court to have a real conversation with the courts or even with our own attorney. We don't know what to ask. We're not astute in these areas, so a lot of us don't we overlook certain things. And then we don't even understand law to the degree where a lot of times we'll file a writ, uh, a writ, a special writ, like a writ a quaranto challenging the jurisdiction, right? Or challenging the judge authority, and we don't know the proper application for that to determine such um right under that application. So due process plays a very pivotal role in understanding the court's requirements that they have to do because under the law, that's the only thing they guarantee is due process of law. That it goes to a particular uh uh uh state before they can make a ruling. All of these requisites got to be or requirements gotta be checked off before the court can make a ruling and make a real determination about um due process um before they can make a ruling on your case. So you gotta be strong in this area, family. You must understand it's pivotal that we start understanding this and so that we can start changing how things are happening to us in our own community so that we cannot, you know, things can be just fabricated in a way because we don't know no better, because we don't understand what to do, and we don't know what questions to pose or how to raise due process issues at any time in court. Even if your lawyer failed to raise some issues, you should still understand enough to try to start raising these issues.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

All right. Now, as far as due process, now would you say it's best to uh hire a lawyer for your cases or ignorance of the laws of those excuse? You should do your own due diligence and study and understand due process and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

So let me make this, I'm gonna make it real simple for us to understand. So we go to the doctor, we go to the dentist, we go to um different professionals. You don't ask, you don't tell the doctor, hey doctor, do I gotta know as much as you to for you to treat me, right? So, no, you don't have, that's why they have attorneys, because it's our society that makes our society whole, we got different people that are supposed to be working for the betterment of society. Your doctors, your dentists, your lawyers, your um, your mayors, your um any professional, your nurses, you see what I'm saying, your architects, these people are there to help society thrive and improve the quality of life in society. So, I don't, you know, we got this belief that, you know, we go see an attorney, we he'll turn us over to the state, and that's not the right wording or terminology. An attorney is there too, he takes an oath, right, to the state. And um, he's under that oath of, and when he's working under that bar, that he's going to abide by the Constitution and apply by the uh rules of professional conduct and uphold his position um um very highly, and that he's gonna do what it takes because he took that position. And he's even though he's a lawyer and he got his license to a state, he worked for you once you hire him, because if he's a private attorney. So if if if you can afford a good attorney, I would, because most of us get it wrong, even the ones who think they know the law, a lot of us get it wrong. And it's nothing, if I had Johnny Cochran and he was still alive, and I, even King Albay, knowing I all I know, I would still hire Johnny Cochrane if I could afford it.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

There we go. There we go. Right, indeed. So you said um, so how would a lawyer approach due process to get relief? Would it be the same approach you take, or would do they even consider this?

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Yeah, so due process is pretty straightforward. The same approach I would take, the same approach an attorney would take, is that you're looking for holes where they're violating due process, where you can raise issues of due process violations to disqualify the case altogether. Well, either they failed to give you notice, they failed to give you a right to be heard, the judge was being, um he wasn't being fair, he wasn't being impartial, they didn't provide you with discovery material, they didn't have a warrant. Um signed by a judge, uh, they didn't have probable cause, they didn't have reasonable suspicion. All of these different things are CPS came into my house and they didn't have a warrant. I didn't let them in. They came with police officers, they gave, they um, there was false accusations and they came in and they didn't have a legitimate authority to exercise such rights. They violated my private rights, my private rights. So the government says we're supposed to protect your private rights, and we don't supposed to encroach upon those rights unless we do everything perfected. We gotta perfect this due process before we can act. We can't do anything outside of that. We gotta under you gotta know what your rights is so you can understand how to deal with the courts appropriately, or these agencies, or any person acting in good government capacity, and even some of your private persons or private parties who are giving government authority to exercise on the behalf of government, but they're still private institutions. So you must know this information backwards and forward, family, so that you can safeguard yourself and your children.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

All right, all right. So how any other angles as far as like due process is concerned? So uh so let's say let's say tickets, right? Let's say um uh you know, another case where uh uh found laudering like something as small as that. You were so so everything is ha is gonna happen in court.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

Okay, say this, right? Let's say they they hit you with laudering, right? Let's say you was looking for a location, right? And it says, um, let's say you was looking for a location and you didn't know, you tresp they signed to say you trespassed or you were standing in front of a place, but the police don't know what you're doing. They don't know anything, right? They don't know. They just think, they just make it up, they just coming up with their own conclusion. And it's your job to, you know, discuss half the time. I'm just gonna say this, brother. Half the time, you know, when you understand how to deal with people, right? And sometimes people are troubling, right? They can be police officers, can be called out, say, well, he's loitering, he's standing out in front, but they don't know what you're doing there. They don't know if you're waiting on your daughter. They don't know if you're waiting on your son. They don't know if you're waiting on your mom to get off the bus because it's at night. They don't know. They don't know. You you got to talk to these people. It's pleasant. I ain't gonna lie. Like I tell people all the time, it ain't about who tell the truth, it's about who tells that story. You see what I'm saying? So I had a family member, they had got a ticket, right? They got a parking ticket, a proper parking ticket. So situation was this. He was looking for his daughter, right? There was an issue where somebody was talking violence and talking about they might want to shoot or hurt his daughter. So he parked, he parked what we call double parking. He parked in the place where he and one supposed to be parking. And he they gave him a ticket. He just he talked to the judge, hey, Johanna, it's called excusable neglect. Your honor, some guys was down there threatening my daughter. I did as any father would do. I pulled up, I'm properly parked. I ain't had time to do all that. She called me Frantic. I went and got my baby. I come back, that was a I dealt with that ticket later because my job as a father is to keep my daughter safe in case I dismissed. I had another let me give you another scenario. I had a partner. He got a parking meter ticket. Right? This is when you had to put coins in the machine. So he couldn't put money in the machine. The machine was had stuff stuck in it. So we took a picture, said they gave him a ticket. We took a picture of it saying, hey, your machine, you gave me a parking ticket. You gave me a ticket for parking in this um by this meter, and your meter is broke. I can't put nuts because the stuff lost in there. Guess what? Ticket got dismissed.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Just gotta have the evidence.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

Yeah, it ain't just evidence, you gotta know how to present the evidence. Because you can put so sometimes people have evidence and they don't know how to through the rules of evidence, have evidence submitted. You gotta have first hand knowledge of the information, or under the hearsay rule, evidence can be disqualified. And then if you don't do it right, for example, present the other party with the evidence and do it in a timely manner, you that evidence can be disqualified. Because you ain't follow the rules, you ain't adhere to the rules of the court or the rules of procedure, and a lot of people don't understand this. I I seen a brother just file an affidavit of jurisdiction and all of this stuff because they don't know what they're doing. They don't know what they're doing. I'm like, bro, what is this? You ain't show the application of law under one rule, you ain't show the case law that support that finding under that rule, you ain't got no exhibits identifying no other affidavits supporting your findings with the exhibits that support your findings and wish the court can make a conclusion. Most brothers don't know how to do that. So I done dealt with all types of CPS, child support, everything. I hear brothers on the internet talking about child support is fraud. No, it's not. Man, I can get your case dismissed for fraud. If that was the case, there'd be a line around the corner with lawyers suing the government for exercising uh fraud. They would sue the government for that. Child support is not fraud, doing now. Would the mother have done something? Child support agencies have done something to get their get their action disqualified? Of course. But in itself, child support is not fraud. And I hear brothers just preaching on these things or all of these things. But really, what I hear a lot of them talk about, they talk about due process issues, but they're not saying it because they don't know what due process looks like.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

All right. So what part of law would due process for underneath?

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Well, you say it's constitutional law.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Constitutional law. All right. So what Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment. Okay. Fifth uh in the 14th Amendment. Constitutional law. Now, how do you use this process to get relief? Like what's the first step dealing with due process? Do you uh file a motion or how's it work?

SPEAKER_01 26:08

So you would come under one of the rules or under, and then you would you would say, okay, for example, um, when I was dealing with my child support case and I had to file an appeal, the magistrate wouldn't give me, I asked for, under my motion, I asked for uh findings of facts and conclusion of law under under what was that of Civil Rule 53 DB3. And I um and I utilized an affidavit of um an affidavit of um an affidavit of facts dealing with uh uh a motion in lieu of transcripts dealing with an affidavit in support of the motion in lieu with affidavit of transcripts or a record due to the fact that the defendant the defendant was present at every hearing. And that additionally that I watched the the hearings through through visual, through video and audio, um, through the child, I mean through the uh clerk of courts, they allowed you to go and watch. So what had happened was, when you understand, through your motion, I filed a motion, the magistrate didn't make, she didn't, she didn't write her findings. She didn't write her facts and findings. So she violated the rule. So that's a due process issue, because I asked the findings of facts and the conclusion of law, and which she used. She did not identify that. So when I went to, when I objected and I went in front of the judge, he was like, Where's the transcripts? I said, Your Honor, I I did an affidavit, I did a motion in lieu of transcripts under 53DB3 under the application, which allowed me to do such things. He said, No, I need a transcript. I said, Well, the rules say I could do this. I had case law supporting that. And I had affidavits supporting that I was present at every hearing, and I also used what they call the journal entries or queries to further support my findings of facts. So I had to, he ruled against me. I had to file an appeal. And that the appeal court said, no, you gotta you gotta hear this on such grounds that the defendant had filed it timely, under the proper applications, and he presented the findings of facts in which the court should have had a hearing on such grounds. He still denied it, had to go back to an appeal court and they had a rule in my favor.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Okay. All right. So what other what other so due process can be it's just universal, like it could be used for anything.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

And not just for, I ain't gonna say for any anything. You got to understand what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

Well, in case, in any case, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Yeah, it could be in any case. In an administrative case, let's say, I'm gonna say for food stamps. Let's say you go down there, you're trying to apply for welfare, right? They gotta tell you why they denied you. What why do they gotta do that? They gotta, because they gotta give you an opportunity to cure or correct the error in order for the application to go through, right? They gotta tell you what's wrong. They can't just say, we're gonna deny you. No, they gotta explain to you. So let's say they they don't explain to you. That's a violation of due process because they they you're supposed to be given notice why, so you can challenge their position. You can't object to something you don't know why you were denied to, why you were denied. Right? So these are this, these little nuances and understanding due process. I'm so enriched and been studying law for these last 17 years, right? I had to understand the mechanism. I didn't just understand the case law because a lot of people can just memorize information. I that ain't what I do. I broke the information down. I had to see the information and how the mechanics of it. I had to understand the fundamentals and the mechanics of these things so that I can know how they operate, so that I can use those effectively. Not just citing some case law. I had to break it down and show the court I understood exactly what I was doing and why they should rule in my faith.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

All right. All right. So now um to go back to um to rewind due process um to get relief, uh how does that work in a uh in a let's say a more federal situation?

SPEAKER_01 31:28

You mean the federal court, same way, same way, same process. The court, the federal courts got the federal rules of criminal procedure, the federal rules of evidence, they got the constitution of the fourth and fifth, I mean the fifth and fourteenth amendment, all of these things apply to the federal government as well to the state. There's the due process is universal in the state and in and in the federal government. So if you call it a federal gun charge, a federal dope case, due process applies the same. Don't stop. You just gotta know how to express the due process violations and where they happen and when they happen.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

So what's the actual definition of due process?

SPEAKER_01 32:19

Due process is a constitutional requisite or requirement before the court can take action. They must give you a right to be heard, a right to a fair trial, a right to bring witnesses, a right to object, a right to an appeal, a right to challenge the evidence, the right to confront your accusers. All of these things are a right to be heard in a minimal place, in a minimal time, in a meaningful time. All of these are due process. It doesn't change. Due process behave the same everywhere. It goes.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

Okay, how would I handle that if I didn't have a lawyer dealing with due process?

SPEAKER_01 33:27

So one of the things I try to get brothers to understand, like, you have to be astute at this. So for example, you got to know what your rights is. So the circumstances, so they got a thing under this under criminal and civil rules, findings of facts, and circ findings of facts and conclusion of law, right? Finding so they got findings, facts, and circumstances. All of these play a pivotal role in how things took place. You got to be able to understand your rights to assert your rights. Let's say you got a gun charge, let's say you was under weapons of disability, right? As a you was a felony, right? Let's say uh the police officer uh pulled you over and you got a gun in your car, right? Mm-hmm. And let's say it's up under the seat. He pulled you over, he he violates your rights. Let's just say he he pulled you out of the car, he seen that you had a felony in the past that you had prior gun choice, but he pulled you over on a failure to use term signal. He don't see the gun, he don't smell marijuana, he don't have any probable cause that he can sink his teeth in to justify. He just pulled you out the car and searching. That will be in violation of your do of your substantive rights, in which you can you can um ask the court on that to dismiss the case. And you can ask for discovery material. Let's say they don't, let's say you ask for the the the video, the video footage um that the officers wear on their on their chest, the um body cam. They failed to provide that for you because they know he was guilty and what he did. That would be a violation of your due process right. And now you will ask the court to dismiss on those grounds due to the fact that they fear that they that the that the prosecution wasn't pr exercising and being procedurally sound, and that they uh violated the one of the rules under the criminal procedure, and now you're asking for the court to dismiss this case with prejudice due to the fact that you asked for sanctions and they never provided you with such material, and now you can ask for this case that's dismissed on those grounds due to failure to provide you with discovery and supplemental discovery and maybe even spoilage of evidence or to the lack of evidence.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

Oh wow. Yeah, that's that's that's easy. So what's what's connected to due process in law? So what's like within the family of due process? I'm trying to understand your question when you say what's on that. So what besides due process? So like what uh what else uh uh how can I say this? Uh what could what in law um connects with due process to make your your your argument stronger?

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Um rules of evidence. Boom. You need to understand the evidence theory standards so that you can understand how to present the evidence and have the evidence take. So you got to have evidence of the due process violations. You got to know how to articulate the due process violations. You got to understand how to look at case law dealing with those due process violations and what the Supreme Court already said about those due process violations. You have to understand your rights to understand where the due process violation is happening. You have to, you have private rights that the court is gonna protect if you understand how to present that and show that in your case and ensure that due process is given to you, that the court or the even with the judge, for example, he could be double-minded. For I'm gonna give you an example, right? Let's say um you you go to court and the judge says, Well, you filed a motion for discovery, and you filed a motion for sanctions for failure to give such discovery. So the judge says, Well, next time you come here, I'm gonna dismiss the case on the grounds that you failed to provide the discovery material. You guys um got 30 days. Now he came back. Um the prosecutor said, But Your Honor, we don't have the discovery material. And um we're trying to we're trying to figure out what to do next. And the judge would be like, Well, then I tell you to have it here, or I was gonna make a ruling. Then he turned around and say, Well, I'm gonna extend it to you additionally, right? Sometimes they'll do that. They'd be double-minded. It could be, I had a I was working with a brother, and he'd been asking for discovery material for over a year. The judge was like, he's been asking for this over a year. I'm gonna dismiss this case if y'all come in court the next time without it. Got to court, the the prosecutor didn't even show just cause. Because it got to be justified, but why the delay in such action? And it's been over a year. He said, Well, we're gonna get it together, Your Honor. We'll have it next time. The judge extended that courtesy to that prosecutor. That should have been an automatically dismissal of the case with prejudice on those grounds. So you have to know what to do next after that.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

So now how now here's the issue with knowing this, right, or getting to learn this. Right. This isn't this isn't taught in schools, right? And you know, once you get a job or a business, busy children, family. Um, how do you take the time? Like, is there like a uh easy uh uh how can I say this? Uh law for dummies.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Okay, so let me say this, right? So I'm gonna tell everybody to watch the show after me, Brother Abdullah and Brother Rahim is on next, after after my show with Brother Ron on NYP. Yeah. NYP Talk Show, they're coming on next. I just wanted to say that. Um, but there's other ways to do this too, right? Instead of just understanding, because I know that we all have busy life. I just sacrificed everything because I had to know, due to the fact that my situation, I think I'm not moving forward. And the reason why I'm telling that we have to start doing things because they're using law. I want to say this, Brother Ron. We out here chasing the bag. We out here doing all these things trying to get to the bag, right? While they're steady making laws. You can go back and look at history, right? We always had money. We always did things. People think that we're just now coming, no, no. After slavery, I ain't even gonna talk about, I'm talking about post-slavery. I ain't gonna even talk about pre-slavery. I'm gonna talk about post-slavery. People that look like me and you were the labor force of the United States. You think they didn't build some things and make everything have nice neighborhoods and communities? What did they do? What how did they separate and break down our wealth? They use law. They put in the black codes, they had all of their stuff in, they had um vagrant laws, they set up unions so that we could be displaced, so we can come in and train white folks and uh Europeans, and um, so then they discard us. Um they just set up um imminent domain, they set up tax laws. We got to understand they're not beating us with economics. There's no economic warfare. There's none. There's no economic warfare. Let me explain to you why there's no economic warfare before I go into this. They don't need no economic warfare because they got the law on their side. We can't compete with them economically because they got the law on their side. They don't need your economics because they can just change the law and crush your economics. So you can work all you want, get all the money you want. But at the end of the day, they can strip you all that, put you in jail. Camilla Harris said it best. She did a we did a video on this. She said, with the stroke of a pen, I can have you arrested, have you stripped down to nothing, have you embarrassed, have you all over TV, and turn around and drop the charge if I want to, or I can go all the way through with it. Cost you thousands of dollars to defeat a claim that we didn't have no merit in the first place, right? So let me just explain this the easier way to do it, right? It's a couple of ways. So me and Abdullah, we're working on institutions. I got some things that I'm gonna do to help our community. I'm not saying that everyone has to know this information. We're gonna build an institution for the community to have access to this information, and that people that's trained in this area will know how to give them this information and help protect them because that institution is gonna help safeguard that community. We're going to build institutions. That have political insight and understand what to do and take this thing to the next level. I've already got a plan of action to make it simplified so that we don't have to keep going through this burden of trying to learn everything. You will have some experts in this field of area of study that you don't have to go out and go trace and go find because that person residing in your community due to the fact that that institution will be there in our community that govern that particular community. It's going to be specified and tailored to that community. That's number one, that's what I'm working on. And that I want to make that nationwide. Number two, I will start understanding due process. I would just start this pick up anything you can on the internet, Chat GPT, look at the 14th Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, and start learning due process. All aspects of due process from administrative to judicial due process and understand what that is. So I would just find everything I can on the internet. I would go to the law library and just study due process, nothing else. Just due process.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

So the due process, the the elements of due process, you were kind of breaking down. Can you break down those those elements of due process?

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Again, those elements, so you have a right to be heard, right? Uh-huh. That's an element of due process. A right to confront your accusers. That's an element of due process. A right to file motions. That's an element of due process. Because sometimes I didn't have with courts that won't even let you, clerks won't let you file certain things. Like, what is you, what are you doing? Like, oh this is according to the rules. No, you can't, no, they're trying to stop you from filing stuff. So that's a due process. Uh a right to a fair impartial tribunal. If a judge ain't being fair with you, you can see that as being obvious. You have a right to have him recused, um, a right to present evidence, the right to call witnesses on your behalf, um, a right to discovery material and um sublime any form of discovery material um that's that's necessary for your case. These are all components of due process that you need to know. And you have to understand those rules of procedure: criminal rules, rules of evidence, civil rules, traffic rules, rules of superintendent, rules of evidence, local court rules, appellate court rules, supreme court rules, right? Rules of professional conduct. We gotta know those rules.

SPEAKER_00 47:10

Now I got a question from the chat. Can you speak to equity and constitutional law? Thank you for the four dollars, brother. I know that's two, but I see another question here that has two dollars. So it's four.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

Speak with equity due to constitutional law. It's only four, it's only four um jurisdictions. There's common law, equity, admiralty, and maritime. So due process is a form of equitable relief. Um due process, so you gotta understand. So I come from a place of very understanding the fundamentals and basics of law. You have what they call the rule of law. It was birthed out of equity. This whole legal system is birthed out of equity. Due process is birthed out of equity because equity is mean fairness. So all of these elements, right, is birthed out of equity to promote what the fairest trial that can be to promote fairness. That's what all equity is, is to make it as fair as possible. So when you're dealing with um equitable relief, most of the time you're dealing with contract law where you have equity identified in a contract, um, where you're talking about equitable relief or in some kind of capacity dealing with that. Um, or there's a statute, the state got to give you some kind of equity relief in its form of statute dealing with a particular issue. I don't know how every state do it and what issues that they underline that will fall under equity. But criminal law ain't gonna fall under no equitable relief in the sense of that capacity because in my state, there they don't say anything about no equitable relief. It has to be identified. Law cannot be vague. So you got to understand what you're dealing with and deal with it appropriately. I didn't beat enough cases to know how to deal with courts on on a lot of issues.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

All right. Now, before before we cut out, I want to go with the last question. Uh let's see. Um, can you talk about the moving court? Can you talk about moving the court? Moving the court.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

What do they mean by moving the court? I've never heard that before. I never heard that either. Moving the court. What they're talking about moving from one jurisdiction to another, having the having that case removed from state to federal or from whatever, I don't know. Um having it move from one jurisdiction to another depends on the things that's triggered. If do you have federal relief in such issue dealing with a constitutional question? Where because most of the time when courts of competent jurisdiction take jurisdiction, they're gonna have jurisdiction. The federal court tend not to get involved in state issues matters, even though if they can. They are normally into that matter if it's on any.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

Okay, I'm gonna cut you, brother. But he said moving the courts with motions.

SPEAKER_01 50:59

With a motion. Oh. But that's all you're doing. You asking the you asking for the court, you file a motion, and the and the court is going to um move on that motion. You just re when you said when you're talking about moving the courts with a motion, you just requesting the court to do something and they acting upon it. That's moving the court. That's how you move the court with a motion. You filed a motion and you asked the court to do something. That's moving the court. In the form of a motion, in the form of a motion.

SPEAKER_00 51:33

Makes sense, makes sense. Uh, on that note, thank you for coming out this evening, brother. Uh, we we would like to have you back to build on other things in law. This was a great conversation. Open my mind to law and how you know things work, like the process. And uh this was helpful. Uh, I know we spoke about you coming back on before, but you know, things got busy. However, you know, I would like to have you up again building on some more things.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

Honest, brother, honest. Um it's my pleasure. Um, to teach the people and educate them in this area is is definitely needed. So I got more stuff coming. Uh I got Privateers of America as an institution that I'll be um bringing to our communities. Um, I'm working with uh Meeting of the Mind, Civic Center, Brother Rahim. I'm working with um Brother Israel. He has some bro, he has the institution, and he has some books coming up. Um I then you know I'm working with Brother Abdullah. Um, Brother Abdullah has the Moroccan Post and International School of Law. So I'm working with not just myself, I'm working with some very dynamic brothers to bring the community what we need. We're going to kill a lot of the misconceptions, the misunderstanding of law, and um so we can stop trying to challenge the jurisdiction, because the only way I would challenge the jurisdiction is due process. Um I always look at things from a due process note, and I also understand equal protection and all of these various other um legal terms that you can use under the proper application. So we got to understand this. I mean, we ain't got no choice, but I'm also understanding that life gets busy and hectic. So we're gonna be erecting institutions that will help the community resolve a lot of this so we can stop this corrosion of police misconduct, uh judicial misconduct, uh, prosecutorial misconduct, and agencies of unethical practices. So we got some things coming in the works this year.

SPEAKER_00 54:07

And do you tell them where they can find you?

SPEAKER_01 54:09

Um you can find me on King Gal Bay on Facebook. Um I told you, like I said, I got um I got uh Privateers of America. Um that will be out. I have it up on Facebook. You'll find us on Instagram and all these other platforms. Uh probably come out with a podcast dealing with some information. Um so also um you can find me on Moore's Union of Sovereign Tribes on Facebook. Um I got a preter of information from trust law, contract law, you name it, um, dealing understanding the UCCs, making law simple. That's what I do. I don't make it complex, I make it very simple for us to know. And so teach us how to critically think using the law and how to use law to build us back up. So we'll never have no economic base if we don't change how the law is being used to cripple us.

SPEAKER_00 55:15

Indeed. On that note, thank you for coming out, brother. Thank you to everyone on the chat. Uh we are out of here.