The True Origin Of Christianity - Ahmed EL Shabazz

You’ve heard the Sunday school version. Now hear a blunt, source-driven argument for how Christianity may have been assembled through politics, empire, and borrowed myth rather than delivered as one untouched message. We bring on Ahmed KL Shabazz to trace a controversial timeline that runs from ancient Egypt and comparative mythology to Paul’s letters, the Council of Nicaea, and the shaping of the Christian canon.

We talk about claimed parallels between the Jesus narrative and earlier traditions like Horus in Kemet, plus Mithras in the Roman world and figures like Dionysus, Atis, and Krishna. The goal is to examine patterns: virgin birth motifs, star stories, disciple structures, ritual meals, death-and-return themes, and the way symbols and calendars can get repackaged for mass adoption. We also unpack why Paul’s influence matters, especially if your theology rests more on Pauline doctrine than on a biographical account of Jesus.

From there, we move into power and control: which gospels get chosen, why texts like the Gospel of Barnabas are treated as dangerous in the story we’re told, and how religion connects to colonialism, slavery, and restricting literacy. We close with a focused look at crucifixion claims using Bible passages alongside Quran references, then share practical resources for anyone asking where to learn safely about Isa’s message.

If you’re willing to question the inherited storyline, press play, then subscribe, share the episode, and leave a rating or review with the point you most agree or disagree with.

Transcript

Host Reset And Housekeeping

SPEAKER_00 0:10

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Framing The Origins Of Christianity

SPEAKER_00 1:20

the origins of uh the true origins of Christianity with the brother Ahmed KL Shabazz. How you doing this evening, brother? I'm doing most well. Thank you, my brother. Asalam Alaikum. Wellakum salaam, brother.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Yes, sir. So you been how you been, my brother?

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Oh man, um, I'm doing, I'm doing well, man. I'm enjoying life and learning a lot of life lessons. And um, you know, uh no, uh, I take the good with the bad, you know what I mean? Exactly, you know, and I love it. I love, you know, one thing about me, I'm not afraid of pressure. You know, I actually like pressure, you know what I mean? Because they say pressure bust pipes, so they make diamonds, right? That part, exactly. That part, yes, sir. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

So, how you doing? I'm doing excellent, bro. All praises due to Allah. And uh good to be back on and just want to get over, you know, go through some history. It's nothing personal. I hope people don't get angry. This is just history and theology, okay, not religion. There's difference. Okay, so we're gonna go through some historical facts from various positions. That's gonna be one-sided. So I have a bunch of quotes that we can go through and some comparisons of mythologies, okay. Okay, so we have concerning the prophet Isa, that's the man they called Jesus, right? Right, and they formed a religion around this particular person this time around. So we're gonna go through the various stages

Quotes That Challenge Church Claims

SPEAKER_01 3:00

of how they came up with Christianity. Okay, so I have a quote here from the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, peace be upon him. He stated, Christianity is not the true religion of God, it is a division of religions and uses a division of God, which makes it impossible to establish true love and unity of brotherhood. End quote. Remember in the temples of the nation of Islam, they have blackboard. And I must say this if you walk into a temple of in the state of the nation of Islam and you don't see that blackboard, walk out. Okay, there's much history on that blackboard, and on that blackboard, it has the question which one was about a war of armor, getting one side it says Christianity, suffering, shame, and death has the person being lynched on the tree on that side, on the other side, the flag of Islam with freedom, justice, and equality. Okay, all right, and the American flag and etc. So it's comparing the two uh entities, all right. All

Forced Conversion And Crusades History

SPEAKER_01 4:20

right, so but we're gonna get to this. It's not just this is a fact. The black man was forced into Christianity, not just black people, but all non-Carcassians, even Caucasians were forced into it, all right. So if you look at the history of the crusades, you'll see there were many Christians as well as other religions that the crusaders killed. They killed a great many of the Jewish community in Europe on the way to Jerusalem. They also killed a lot of Christians that lived in Jerusalem, along with the Muslims. So that was spread by the sword. But what is Christianity? Okay, so if you read here, I have another statement. This is from Pope Leo the 10th. It has served us well, this myth of Christ. Did you hear that? Yes, sir. It has served us well this myth of Christ. Pope Leo the 10th, this was 1475, 1521, that's when he lived. Have another quote. When we say that he, Jesus Christ, our teacher, was produced without sexual union, was crucified and died and rose again and descended into heaven. We propound nothing different from what you believe regarding the sons of Jupiter. End quote. That's from Justin the Martyr. Here's President John Adams. The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Yes, sir. All right. Another quote. Let's bear with me. I like to quote brain the receipt, as the young folks say, right? Yes, sir. Not from just one source, but from many. All right, have another quote. Egyptian culture was highly influential in the creation of Judaism and Christianity, both of which carnalized and historicalized much of the mythos and rituals in their scripture. Indeed, many scholars have insisted that the Bible is entirely Egyptian. Wow. Huh. Going on a state, and that deep. The entire Christian Bible, creation legend, descent into and exodus from Egypt, the ark, the flood allegory, the Israelite history, the Hebrew prophecy, and the poetry, the gospels, the epistles, and the revelation imagery are all now proven to have been transmitted, excuse me, have been the transmission of an ancient Egyptian scroll and papyri into the hands of later generations. And that is from the book, The Christ's Conspiracy, page 266. Going on the same book. Now I'm in with this book here, with these this quote uh for the time. In reality, Christianity was a product of a multinational cabal composed of members of various of a variety of schools, and was designed to empower and enrich such individuals and unify their empire. To do so, these conspirators took a myriad of myths and rituals, virtually all known cultures, and combine them into one, producing a God man to beat them all. The Christ conspiracy, page 289 and 290. All right, so she said it's Egyptian, right? Yes, sir.

Egypt As A Source Tradition

SPEAKER_01 8:36

All right, that's proven. All right. So if you look at the Egyptian mythos of Isis, Horus, and Osiris, that's the root of it. All right. And uh Isis is Greek name, but the original name was Aset, the Kemetic name. Right, the very word Egypt is Greek. And we have to keep in mind, as we discussed in the previous broadcast, the Greeks were the first colonizers. They're the first colonizers. Remember, we went over stolen legacy. There's no such thing as Greek philosophy, and whatever they did learn, they learned from the Kemites, right? Which were the so-called Egyptians. Okay, so we got Heru, which is the the the uh Greece called Horus, but he's Heru. And then you have Ansar, which the Greeks called Osiris, which by the way, Osiris was later worshipped by the Romans and the Greeks. He's Kemetic, though. All right, so some 3,000 years before Paul's letters, and before the New Testament was even thought about, the people of Kemet told a story about a virgin giving birth to a god with a star marking his birth, 12 disciples who performed miracles, who was betrayed, who was killed, and three days in darkness he rose from the grave. The committee called him Haru or Horus. Now compare that story of Horus or Haru to the man they called Jesus, and you see why the church kept that a secret for the past 2,000 years, for the most part, until just a hundred years ago. Okay? All right, so Horus uh he was announced by a star in the east. That sounds familiar, right? Yes, sir. Got three kings, came to honor him. At the age of 12, he astonished the teeth, the temple uh elders with his wisdom. Remember in the story in the Bible, Jesus did the same thing. He went before the rabbis and confounded the rabbis or the doctors, as they say in the book, right? When Horace was 30 years old, he was baptized in a river by a man named Hanuk the baptizer. And this predates John the Baptist by many centuries. Now, after the baptism, uh Haru began to perform miracles. He healed the sick, he walked on water, he raised the dead, he was called the Lamb of God, the Son of Man, the light of the world, and the good shepherd. He was crucified and buried, and on the third day he rose from the dead. So that proves that statement that the the author wrote that I quoted. The entire Bible is Egyptian.

unknown 11:53

Right.

SPEAKER_04 11:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

Now that quote, the entire Bible is Egyptian? Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Now I remember now. Remember in our lessons, who wrote Bible in the Holy Quran and how long ago? Right. There's your answer. Right?

SPEAKER_04 12:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

It's 25,000 years ago. We write Bible in the Holy Quran, right? A lot of Asiatic black man at work. That's right. See, there again. And what was the area that the original man in our lessons chose the best part for himself? The Rishina Valley of Egypt and the mother city in Mecca. Yeah, the whole child pressing. Right? This is in line with what we're talking from the messenger. All right. And he's being verified in my you know up to date times, right? After the fact.

Genesis Translation And Creation Parallels

SPEAKER_01 12:45

All right. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Now I know about I know about um uh the the the the the mytholog, the mythostore, the mythological story of you know, a saw a set in Heru and and uh uh uh uh uh uh and set um and uh how a saw was uh cut up into some pieces and then thrown in the now the now river and uh you know that whole story and then Horace is born out of that and he came back to avenge his uh um father's death and to you know against Seth. So like I know I know that part of that story, but however, do you have anything else to kind of uh uh corroborate that uh statement that uh uh the Bible, the entire Bible is is is uh is uh is uh Egyptian because that's the only part of the Bible that I know coincides with uh the uh comedic myth myth uh mythos story. Or the creation story.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

Okay, in the beginning, the gods created the heavens and the earth. That's a mistranslation in the book of Genesis. Elohim that's the gods, okay, and if you look at the Egyptian creation story, you you see the same uh similarities. Okay, okay, about the father, patha, okay, and atun, all right, which is in line with the messenger taught us, right? Right, okay, that Allah created himself from an atom of water. Okay, we were taught these things, right? That's right. So it's it's there. But that you know, the people they kept that, they wrote it under a whole bunch of symbolism, okay, an allegory, okay, and a lot of mistranslations, okay, because actually they didn't figure out what the higher uh the Metternetor language was, or so-called hieroglyphic was until recently, like 200 years ago, if it wasn't for the Rosetta stone, okay, they were doing guesswork, okay, a lot of guesswork, you know.

Mithras Dionysus Atis Krishna Comparisons

SPEAKER_01 15:10

But we can see these comparisons of mythologies. Uh, we have the uh the Persians, they had their own version of Haru. Okay, he was known as Mithras. And this cult had already spread across the Roman Empire centuries centuries before Paul, and the early writings were even uh of the gospels. Okay, so Mithra, same nearly the same story. Mithra born on the in a cave on the 25th of December, and like Horace and later Jesus, he had 12 disciples, etc. etc. Okay, and so you had the ritual meal of bread and wine, it's a symbology of the uh the Last Supper, uh uh that you have in the Christian faith, right? Okay, he died and descended and was resurrected, and Mithraism is the was the religion of the Roman military, it was a secret religion. They were Mithraic, okay. They have a picture of a man with a Phaegean hat on, cat, riding a bull, trying to wrestle a bull, okay. That's their symbology, and they have a ritual of bread, you know, the wine and the bread ritual. Same image you have in the last supper, okay. Eat of my body, that's the bread that's supposed to be symbolic of the bread of Jesus, and the wine is his blood, right? Right, all right. Then you have uh Dionysus, he was the Greek god of wine, he was born of a virgin who was fat, and his father was Zeus. He had a miraculous conception, and his most famous uh event was turning water into wine, another Jesus story in the Bible, correct? He was killed, went to the grave, rose again in three days, etc. etc. Okay, there was also uh Atis, and he was worshipped in Turkey. He was born of a virgin named Nana, and who became a god man, and whose death was a cosmic sacrifice. He died tied to a tree. He was mourned for three days, and on the third day he rose from the dead. And the resurrection ceremony is his resurrection ceremony always happened during the spring equinox, just like Easter. Okay, all right, which is another pagan thing, all right. So you got the same lunar calculations and uh uh and the dates of Easter. The next example I'm gonna give would be Krishna. All right, Krishna is the black one, and this is where the word Christ originated from. Krishna was one of the avatars for the Hindu god Vishnu. Krishna was born of a virgin named Devaki. His death was announced by a star in the east. An evil king named Kamsa was warned by a prophecy that this child would be over would uh was overthrow his rule. See, so he ordered the killing of all the male infants at the same time at that time. That coincides with what you find in the Bible with King Herod. Okay, killing the firstborns because he had a prophecy that a Messiah would be born. All right. So Krishna healed the sick, he raised the dead, he had 12 followers, he was called a lamb of God, the son of man, etc. etc.

Paul’s Influence And Why It Matters

SPEAKER_01 18:56

Okay, so Paul's writings. Paul is prom problematic. You can say that. Paul. It's the gospels according to Paul in the Bible. You don't see the gospels according to Jesus. It's the Pauline doctrine. How come it's not called the Jesus doctrine, or the Esa doctrine, or the Christ doctrine, it's called by Paul. Okay, so Paul's letters were written in 50 current era. He never met Jesus. He had a vision. Paul was a Jewish Pharisee, he was a Roman citizen. He used to persecute the followers of Jesus. He used to be a persecutor of Jesus' followers. All right? After death, after the death of Jesus, he used to persecute the followers of Jesus' teachings. But on a road to Damascus, he had a vision. He had a vision that he saw Jesus in the sky. He changed, fell down on his name uh on his knees and changed his name from Saul to Paul. All right. Now it's it was interesting about him is that he worked with a man for about a year's time, according to the history that we have, named Barnabas, whose actual real name was uh Yusuf. All right. So he worked with Barnabas, who actually heard Jesus, saw Jesus, heard Jesus speak personally. He was a primary source of what Jesus taught. All right, he knew Jesus uh was not crucified. So that's what made Paul and Barnabas fall off. They only worked with each other for about a year. Okay. The Gospel of Barnabas, that's one of those books that the Vatican banned or the Roman Catholic uh Church ban. Wow. Yeah, they banned that book. Okay, see the whole point with the uh Constantine at the time, 325 A.D., some 325 years after Jesus, or the man they called Jesus, Asa, at the Council of Nicaea. Okay, those the book of Barnabas was banned, it was called apocryphal or dangerous. And if you were caught with that book, they would kill you. If you mention Yusuf or his title, Barnabas' name, they'll kill you. See the meaning of his name. Barnabas was the son of encouragement. Okay. And uh his name was Yusuf. And he's one of the first people to hear the message of Esau. So he was a primary source. So that's why he was problematic for the church. The Roman church, the Catholic Church. Okay. So as I stated, Barnabas saw Esau. He lived in the same time as Isa. Okay. And he wrote his gospel. He was a direct, he heard Esau's direct message of Islam. All right. So that's why he was problematic. So uh here the opening of the book of Barnabas goes as such: I, Barnabas from Cyprus, write faithfully what was revealed to the Messiah by Rahu Kadus, which means Jibril or Gabriel. Okay. From the Lord of the worlds, exactly as I heard from Esau as the fourth copy after 48 heavenly years. Okay. And see, both the Bible and the Quran tells you that Jesus was not crucified on the cross. The honorable Elijah Muhammad also told us how Jesus was killed.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on. He said the Bible doesn't say anything about Jesus being crucified on the cross. He's like dying on the cross, I should say.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Oh, okay, okay. Let me clarify that. That's the word. He did not die on the cross. Okay. And historically, he wasn't crucified either on the cross. The true story that where we we have it from the most honorable Allah, uh Elijah Muhammad and Master Farab Muhammad. Jesus was killed by Roman soldiers. And when they when they stabbed Jesus, he made the form of a cross. Alright? That's in the history, the true history of Jesus by the honorable life Muhammad. Then his father, in this, in the historical fact, not the you know the religion, Jesus' father, Yusuf, had his body embalmed in a glass tube. And he's buried under the uh mosque of Omar in Jerusalem. And according to the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, you were able to get a letter for Christians to go see the body of Jesus and others. You had to get a letter from the Pope. Pay six thousand dollars at that time to get a letter from the Pope to go see the body of Jesus. He had to be blindfolded and led there to see it, to see his body. He looks as the day like he did he died. This was the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, and no one called him a liar. All right. Even the Pope in the 50s, uh, in the paper, uh, the doctor, after that Pope had died in the 50s, had it. He was in the paper on at on record saying that they were going to bomb that Pope's body the way Jesus' body was embalmed. So they knew he was gonna come back from the dead. Okay, this is what's going back to that Pope, Pope Leo X. This has served us well, this myth of Christ. Okay, that's an admission. Jesus' body is buried under the uh mosque of Omar. That's in our lessons, also, brother. Why did we take Jerusalem and how long ago? Right, one of our one of my brothers by the name of Jesus, by the name of Jesus, right? That's it. Okay, all right. So we uh bear witness coming with receipts, okay. So this you know, they they the whole point of coming up with a religion called Christianity.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

Uh Constantine was about to share that dirty religion, and the lessons said to share that dirty way to use religion, right? Share that dirty religion.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

There you go. Okay, yeah, the Roman Empire. He had to solidify the Roman Empire. Constantine did. This is what that council of Nicaea was for. So he had to come up with a mythos that would solidify the different nationalities in the Roman Empire, Christianity, okay, based on various Egyptian mythos, Persian, etc., etc. But it goes back to Egypt. You got the mitra, you got the Vishnu, Krishna, you got uh uh the Persian of Mithra, you have uh the Egyptian Horus, Dionysus for the Greeks, and on a close examination, and scholars of the Bible would tell you that the four gospels were written for four different uh demographics, right? Right, so for if it was in the east, you know, on the Roman occupation in Egypt, you'd be familiar with a horse, they're familiar with horse. Some of the they get a Jesus story that's similar to horse, and so forth and so on. Okay, that's what this is about. They couldn't beat it, so they had to join it and control Jesus' message from the inside, infiltration, right?

Barnabas And The Council Of Nicaea

SPEAKER_01 28:00

That's all that's all that was. So the council of Nicaea met in 325 AD. This is when 2048 religious leaders met to settle on one central question: Who is Isa or who is Jesus? There were two main groups. One group said that Isa is God Himself, and the other group was the opposing group led by Arias, Araneus. And he said, and quote, there is only one God, and Isa is his messenger. That's Islam. Okay, that Isa is the he uh he went on to state that saying that Isa is the little son of God is wrong. So the real purpose of this council was not to find a theological truth, it was was it was political. And the Romans had to tie uh had tried for years to stop the followers of Esa by force, and when force failed, they decided to control it from the inside out. So they took the Roman sun god Apollo myth and applied it to Esa.

Sun Worship Symbols And Church Strategy

SPEAKER_01 29:20

That's where you get the halos around the head of the angels and the saints and Jesus. Yes, all of that, brother. Some worship exactology, astrotheology.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

What's so funny is uh um they would call everyone else a pagan, yes, when they're dealing with paganism themselves, they're saying exactly that is the craziest world we're living in right here.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Like now you see why everybody messed up, yeah, brother. It's bad, that's bad, yeah. Then to top it off, brother. After they came over the new new god, which was the same old gods, they're repackaged. They took and they went and built churches on top of the sites of the pagan temples. So in some cases, it's retrofitted the temples, some they knocked down and replaced. Wow, right? Uh Theodosus closed down all the comedic ones because that was that was problematic, that's the source of everything. So they had to hurry up, close those down, right? Okay, jig would have been up. Wait a minute, these black people had an ISIS, a harbor, and that's not really what they're talking about. That's not really what it's talking about. That sun worships, okay. Our people was much smarter than that, okay. But they, you know, their interpretation of it, okay. Yes, it is crazy. It's it is crazy. So they turn around turn to call the pagans, pagans, killing them,

Black Madonna Claims And Slavery Logic

SPEAKER_01 31:05

killing them, killing them, and they doing the same thing. Now, if you read J.A. Rogers' book, uh Sex and Race, he goes through a whole litany of when the the the Catholic Church used to worship a black Mary and a black Jesus, they're all in the basement of those churches now. And the reason being, how are you gonna enforce chattel slavery with all these colonial edicts from the Vatican? Because the Vatican issued an edict that they had a right to invade any land that wasn't Christian and force those people into Christianity. So as they've gone on this colonial uh uh expansion, you can't say that black people weren't nothing and deserved to be slaves and at the same time worship a black marriage, black Jesus. So they had to change the color. You read J.E. Rogers' books, he had many examples of Europeans worshiping black Jesus with the black Madonna, as they call. But they don't you don't see that over here in the United States, they hardly touch it. Okay, a lot of pastors won't even say it, period. Okay, and they know all of this. The average pastor learns this in uh seminary school. What I'm talking about tonight, yeah, they know this. All right, when they're making the merchandise out of the people, that's the 10%. They're making merchandise out of the people, teaching them lies about a spook guy. Right. All right, blood circles of the poor. There you go. There you go. So uh I have a I like to here's another book here on the reason

Imperialism And Christianity As A Tool

SPEAKER_01 33:00

why they really use Christianity. So I have I have a book, this is a very old book. It's a hundred years old. Well, 99 years old. It's uh White Man's Dilemma, 1927. Uh falling apart on me. Yep, yep. All right. Uh what author is that? Nathaniel Pifer, P-E-F-F-E-R. This is published by the John Day Company, 1927. This is uh the title of the book is called The White Man's Dilemma, uh, the climax of the age of imperialism. 1927. And he spilt the beans. Now remember, this is 1927. We're not buying these books, were we as black people? They probably wouldn't even sold us the book. Many of us didn't know about it and probably couldn't afford it. Right? Two dollars for a book that was a lot of money. 1927. You know, uh well, I wouldn't know. Well, we have from the elders, but from my perspective, what I was told you could buy a plow.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Well, well, well, yeah, 1927 is before the Great Depression, right?

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Yeah, things are still reasonable, yeah. All right, so he has a quote here really explaining how Christianity was used against people of color, black people and other people of color. 1927, we're gonna read from page 313. Now, here in Europe and America, where we take our Christianity with common sense, where the tenet of peace on earth is expected to hold only when there are no enemies, where the doctrine that one cannot worship God and mammon is applied pro rata. Six-day mammon and one day God. What is uh where the statement of turn the other's other cheek is obeyed only when there is nobody who dare smite. And where we agree that blessed are the meek only if they inherit the earth. Here, Christianity raises no insurmountable uh difficulties. We have learned to understand each other in these matters as practical men, but the black, brown, and yellow man took his Christianity literally, it was given to him straight out of the gospels and without any of the unwritten interpretations we take for granted, and one hesitate to say it, but Christianity as it stands in the gospels is the most subversive doctrine ever enunciated to mortal man, period. End quote.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

So it said it's it was taken from the gospel, so the gospel of Paul.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

No, no, the gospels, period. He's talking about the whole Bible, okay. It was given to us straight out the gospel, literally, without any of their unwritten interpretations, because they know what it means. Okay, we didn't know what we were reading until the honorable Elijah Muhammad explained to us what the Bible is, okay, and how it was used against us and how to read it so we can apply it, but also focus on that holy Quran. All right, all right, so they chose the four gospels from hundreds of gospels and then burned the rest. This is at the council of Nicaea, all right. They labeled the gospel of Barnabas uh as heretical and rejected it, and they banned the gospel of Barnabas, and during the Inquisition, the Spanish Inquisition, you could get killed if you even had one, or even mention the man's name, Barnabas, so you said Barnabas, Barnabas, the Gospel of Barnabas, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

The Gospel of Barnabas, you said, yes, sir. Okay, yeah, I have a um, yeah, the forgotten.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

This is a good book, if you can find it. I've had this about 40-something years. Nice, that's uh Barnabas, yeah, and this is the author's name, if you can see it. Saint Barnabas. Why does that sound familiar? That was a Christian, uh he's a Christian saint.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

Okay, when people, you know, now you know they don't even know who he is, really. Would that have anything correlation with Barbados? I don't know. You don't know, okay. I know. Oh my god, we got my brother a Ben in the building. What's up, a Ben? Peace to you, brother. Peace to you, brother. Yeah, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

So we have here, we got to remember their job was to keep all light from coming to the black man, right?

Blocking Literacy And Controlling Enslaved Minds

SPEAKER_01 38:42

And we have a statement here. Uh this is in Message to the Black Man by the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. And he put a he put a quote in here from uh Virginia representative. All right. So he has a quote from uh Henry Berry as saying, quote, Henry Berry as saying, while speaking in the Virginia House of Delegates in 1832 and describing the situation that existed at the time in many parts of the South, quote, we have as far as possible closed every avenue by which light may enter the slave's mind. The avenue of light of Allah you are unable to shut out from coming to us. This is what the messengers he has us in paratheticals. But you see the man's quote: We have as far as possible closed every avenue by which the light may enter the slave'm mind. If we could extinguish the capacity to see the light, our work will be complete. They would then be on the level with the beast of the field, and we should be safe. I'm not certain that we should we would not do it, but if we could find out the process and on excuse me, the process, and that on the plea of necessity, end quote. That's the reason why black people in North America couldn't read for 300 years. Okay, it was against the law, and if they caught you with a King James Bible, they would have killed you.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

Now, what's what's what's uh something to think about? You said we couldn't read for how many years?

SPEAKER_01 40:57

They kept the Bible out of our hands for 300 years, they kept the first 300 years of the Bible's existence. The only people that could read that book, okay, were nobles. If a woman was caught with it, and if a black person was caught with it, we were killed if we said our prayers in our native mother tongue, right? They would pull our tongues out. They used to cut the woman, the mother's tongue on the on these slave farms to keep her from teaching the children their native language. And if the child heard it, they would put wax in their ears.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

I'm telling you history, brother. This is uh listen, man, and then you already know about the alligator bait later on down the road. Like our people, so much trauma, brother. Trauma, trauma, and it's it, and uh, I think it's still in our DNA to this day. It's gonna take a minute to get that out of us. I think if it took us, if it was 400 years, it's gonna have to be another 400 years to get over it. We got all the time in the world. We it's no end to us, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:22

Exactly. Uh the black man, exactly. All right, there's no end to us, we're not on the time clock. Somebody else, whoever's a race, they have a time limit. Okay, and then time is out, and then an extension of time is done, has now nearly run

World Wars And The Shift In Power

SPEAKER_01 42:40

out. They know who I'm talking about. Okay, they have an extension of uh they had an extension, their time ran out in 1914. Again, this book right here that I held up. I'm not gonna hold it up and try to open it anymore, it's falling apart. White man's dilemma. Okay, he admitted that their time was up in 1914. That was the end of their end of their unity.

SPEAKER_00 43:09

That's in the uh uh supreme wisdom.

SPEAKER_01 43:11

Oh, the white man's dilemma, it's in our unity ended then when we gave our enslaved and subject people permission to kill us, kill, kill one another. You know, they gave the black and the brown people permission to fight and kill other white people, kill white people in World War One. He said the gods were supposed to fall out in private, not in public. You got it? See, World War One marked the end of their white supremacy unity, and from 1914 onward, they've been falling. See, they get seven nations. Nations ganged up on the original man in Africa and here in the North America. Seven European nations ganged up on us.

SPEAKER_04 44:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

That unity broke in World War One. Example, the American Antichrist gave the so-called American Negroes permission to shoot Germans. And so when our brothers seen, oh, you can shoot one and they die like the rest of us. Okay, think of the mindset now. Okay. And so when they come back home, they ain't taking no junk from this man here. That's when after that war in 1919, you had it was called Bloody Sunday, summer. Had a big race war. And who was shooting? Former black military that fought for this country in World War I. They came back and was treated worse than they left. So they kind of got attitude. Okay. There's a large race riot in Chicago in 1919. Then they had another falling out win. World War II. Start gangbanging again. Okay. History may not repeat itself, but it rhyme. Okay. Korean War. Same thing. Vietnam. Black people fighting for this country, come back home. Right. Okay. Right. Oh. You got it? Yeah. Same. It's a pattern. This man only has one book to use. Once you figure out his book, you can avoid him. Be able to navigate. Right. Okay. Right. So we uh I like the quote here. We have to. I'm gonna have a quote from Mr. Marcus. No, from uh prophet noble Drew Al Lee. This is some good advice. Therefore, we are returning the church and Christianity back to the European nations as it was prepared by their forefathers for their earthly salvation. That's pretty reasonable. Because as we say in the Nation of Islam, it brought nothing to black people but suffering, shame, and death. Okay, even with the Native people. Okay, the Native Americans in America, they weren't given citizenship until 1924. That was after you went from a population of 500 nations down to two million. Okay, and during that time, when they became citizens in 1924, you had a Native American vice president and a uh half-original black man who was the president, Warren G. Hardy. Okay, so that's just a little touch of American history. But like they did the Indians, the so-called American Indians, the same thing. Broke up the families, made them speak English, put them in uh boarding schools, they snatched the children up and turned them into little white people. Okay, tortured them. This is in modern times. 1924 was not a long time ago. May seem like it, but it's that was recent history. 1924. So you have any questions, brother.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

Nah, I'm following. You good? I'm I'm I'm wide awake, listening at every point, and and everything is coming together. You know, I know I know my lessons, and and I know history, you know what I mean. So this is not far-fetched.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

Yeah, so we have uh now rounding up with Paul,

Gospel Contradictions And Esoteric Readings

SPEAKER_01 48:31

he's very problematic. As I stated, Paul did not meet Jesus, didn't see Jesus, and his Jesus was a cosmic Jesus, he was a mystic. In his version of events, he doesn't mention a resurrection, right? I mean, excuse me, and his uh uh his theology was built about a death and a resurrection, it's not a biological or autobiographical account of Jesus. He's a mystic. Okay, his he has a cosmic, he's talking about a cosmic savior. He never described a virgin birth. That's what I meant to say. He didn't describe a virgin birth. Remember in his his event, his worldview of Jesus, his his religion that he was concocting, Jesus was with God from the beginning of time. And I know you hear Christians saying that, right? Okay, so he was a cosmic savior. His Jesus was a cosmic savior, not biographical. And like Barnabas was an autobiographical, he gave an autobiographical account of Isa or Jesus, because he was there, he saw him, okay, and uh Barnabas was was killed. They tried to burn most of his his gospels, his his account. So the the writers of the gospels came 70 years after Esau was dead. The four gospels that they use. That's Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John. And uh they were for different communities across the Roman Empire. Also, this also another symbology in the uh the way they have the four gospels laid out, each one is different, each one does a different account, different um lineage, different bloodlines, they have different bloodlines. Some gospels have Jesus dying or stand on the cross nine hours, some twelve hours. Okay, so it's symbolic of the four seasons, four different seasons. It's a lot in there, it's a lot of symbology. See, the Bible is an esoteric book, exactly. That's what

Quran Footnotes On The Crucifixion

SPEAKER_01 51:20

okay, that's an esoteric book. Now, I'm in the chapter of the Holy Quran right now. I just want to go over some things. Jesus didn't die on die on the cross. That's in the Bible. Also having the Holy Quran. So I'm in Holy Quran chapter four, and I'm using Mao Lana Muhammad translation. Now I'm in these footnotes, and he has laid it out beautifully, and you can go behind him for yourself, and he it proves in the Bible that Jesus did not die on the body, and die on the cross. He did not die on the cross. Okay, so so they say Jesus remained on the cross only a few hours in Mark 15, 25 and in John 19 and 14. But death by crucifixion was always tardy. People just died right away on that Roman execution device. Okay. Number two, two the two men crucified with Jesus were still alive when taken down from the cross. The presumption that uh is that Jesus too was alive. Number three, the breaking of the legs was resorted to in the case of the two criminals, but dispensed with in the case of Jesus. And you can find this in John 19, verse 32 and 33. Number four, the side of Jesus being pierced and blood rushing out, and this was a certain sign of life. If you stab

Where To Learn Safely About Isa

SPEAKER_01 53:25

a course, blood is not gonna shoot out of a corpse.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

Well, real quick, one question. Uh yes. This person's like asked the same question like four times. Um, and I was gonna just block him, but I'm not gonna do that. Um where can we learn safely about Esau in order to know his message?

SPEAKER_01 53:49

Safely, safely, is what he said. I can say, well, you uh you can learn about Isa's message and the true history of it. Jesus by the honorable Elijah Muhammad, Holy Quran, okay, and all the Quran they have Isa or Jesus asking the question which one would help me in the cause of Allah.

SPEAKER_00 54:20

Right, so you're saying uh uh Elijah Muhammad, honorable Elijah Muhammad, honorable Elijah Muhammad, and you're saying uh the Holy Quran. That's great. Okay, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

If Jesus was a prophet, Jesus was a prophet, Isa was a prophet, he's a verified prophet. He prophesied of the coming of one called Ahmed or Muhammad. That's in the Holy Quran. Muchmed, a Muhammad, a Machmet, the Achmed. Same thing, one worthy of praise. There's some other books that you can uh put on this subject. Uh Egypt, the light of the world by Gerald Massey, the Anacalyptus by Garfrey Higgins, Sex and Race, uh Jay Rogers. Okay. All right, so another detail. Uh okay, Jesus was buried like two criminals, but was given unto charge by a wealthy disciple who took care of him and put him in a spacious tomb, and a rock was rolled in front of the door. And you find that in Mark 46. When the tomb was then opened on the third day, the stone was found to have been removed from the mouth of the cave. So when Mary saw him, she mistook him for a gardener, and according to the story, right? Now, if he rose from the dead, why is he in disguise? That's in the Bible. He's he's just in disguise as a gardener. Why? Because he didn't die on the cross. That's in the Bible. So the the fact you're saying Jesus died and rose from the dead after three days, he didn't die on the cross. And this Mary's looking at the holes in his hands.

SPEAKER_00 56:43

Now, what wick what with uh uh uh uh verse chapter verse okay, so we have Mary saw him, took him for a gardener.

SPEAKER_01 56:53

This is in John 20 and 15, which shows that Jesus had disguised disguised himself as a gardener. So you got here, such a disguise would not have been needed if Jesus had risen from the dead. We have to use reason, okay, and logic, this in the Bible. So when honorable Elijah Muhammad said that Jesus, he said that the both Bible and Quran states that Jesus did not die on the cross. He wasn't lying. Okay, the Holy Quran states this, and uh for their saying, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah, and they killed him not. Not like that on the cross. The Quran says, but he was made to appear to them as such. Now we know the true story. The historical Jesus was stabbed in the chest by Roman soldiers, and he collected twenty five hundred dollars in gold. Because Jesus was worth more dead than he was alive. Jesus agreed to with the soldier, because the soldier told Isa that if I take you in alive, they're gonna chop you to pieces.

SPEAKER_02 58:28

So let me collect the reward, and it'd be quick, and that's what happened.

SPEAKER_01 58:39

So when he died, he died with his arms outstretched up against the building in the form of a cross. That's what happened for real. Okay, but in the even in the story, this the story in the Bible, he still did not die on the cross because he's in disguise a few days later. Now, Friday, supposedly, died on a Friday and rose Sunday. That's not three days.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

I didn't think of that, and I didn't really think of that. Oh man, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, brother. Hold on. You mean to tell me nobody figured this out? Yo, nobody thought about this. Yo, chat, chat, man. Y'all hear this, man? Think about what he just said. Uh, we got uh creator of the boundaryless universe. Thank you for the five dollars, brother. It's greatly appreciated. That goes to the NYP expenses, so we can keep every keep everything on. Uh uh, the whole the circle seven Quran for the people who love Jesus is speaking of the 18 missing years of life. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay, okay. All right, that's true. All right, uh, has brother minister revealed this information to Christians that he knows whether they're black or white. That's a question uh on the on the table right now. Anyone that listened to me over the years, and he said, What was the outcome?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:15

Some believe it, some was in shock. And see, it's like this, brother. For a true person that's seeking the truth, one good source is good enough for that person. One good bit of fact, okay, one proof. Now, for the doubters who are locked in, okay, one of you know, forever because it's messing with their comfort zone. If I brought them a thousand things to prove it, they wouldn't believe it, wouldn't accept it, or they know it's the truth and work against it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

Right now, that's the thing about how how how how I think personally, right? So, like I'm always trying to disprove whatever's in my mind, right? So I'm saying, like, this lesson says this, that, and the third. Okay, what says contrary to that? So I'm always trying to find the contrary to whatever uh lesson I know and whatever thought I have. Uh, to to brother Ben, thank you for the five dollars. Greatly appreciated, brother. People don't know we do have bills for this podcast, and it's gonna go to that, brother. Um, so now um

Book Recommendations And Final Wrap

SPEAKER_00 1:01:30

there we go. Um, and anything else you want to add to to this bill, brother?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:36

Well, I would like to bring up two books, three books that I think people should get. Also, uh, you can um go on my blog, a uh achmedl77 at WordPress.com. All right, and I would uh appreciate if you pick up my copy of uh The Death of Satan. You can get this book at Amazon.com. Also, a uh book that was co-written by myself and Sister Nadia Miriam called Defending the Good Name of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and the Muslims of the lost found nation of Islam in the wilderness of North America, also on Amazon.com. And third and final book every Muslim who says they follow the teachings of Islam is taught by Master Farab Muhammad and the honorable Elijah Muhammad. This is a true masterpiece, work must-have. This here, Master Farab Muhammad is God debunking the Ford Deception. That's yours right there. No, no, this is written by Mustafa Ami. I need that book so bad, brother. This is a book right here, bruh. I was honored to write the foreword to the book. Brother asked me to write the forward when I read when I read the cant everything in it, I said I had to. This is a modern classic. The Ford Deception. Yes, yeah. He proves that Ford, Wally D. Ford is not nowhere near Master Fraud Muhammad. They're not one of the same people, they're two different people. He proves it's a hoax. You know, you know, the messenger put that line of bed back in the 60s, and then Muhammad speaks. Randolph Hearst, he offered to uh a hundred thousand dollars to prove it. Okay, that they were the same people. All right, he knew who mass how Master Frog Muhammad looked. He's a first hand account, Minister John, too, minister uh brother Johnny, sister Emma. My minister, brother John. Let me go looked at this picture here. This cat, this cat here.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:13

Yeah, yeah, that dude. Yeah, is that the same? I think that's the same guy that had a feez on in front of the Moorish science temple around noble jewel lee. What year did what what year was that? That's in the in the in the 20s, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

Well, you get this book, all right. That's not Master Friday Muhammad. So, yeah, he yeah, he uh this gentleman did excellent research, did handwriting analysis, the whole shot, photograph analysis, prove it, two different people, brother. The messenger put that, like I said, the messenger put that to bed back in the 60s, early 60s, but they keep regurgitating that lie. All right, they couldn't even get the lie straight. First, they were saying Master Farad Muhammad is where he said he was from, first of all. His father is who he said his father was, his mother is who he said his mother was. He's from Mecca Arabia, wasn't it? Saudi Arabia at that time, from Mecca Arabia. When he was born in 1877, he was from Mecca, Arabia.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:33

So I got a brother saying David Ford L. Who's that?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:38

It's a brother Wally Ford, the Ford Deception, David Ford L. That could be, but I know it's not Master Farad Muhammad, I know that. Okay, that's two different people. I knew the man who cut Master Farad Muhammad's hair. I know knew the man who cut Master Farad Muhammad's hair, Minister John Muhammad. He told me how he used to have to prepare to cut Master Farad Muhammad's hair. Right? He even told me what style that is. That's a British schoolboy cut. He used to take a lemon and squeeze it in the glass and rub the juice of the lemon into Master Far's hair, then cut his hair. And all the while he was cutting Master Frost's hair, Master Farad Muhammad is teaching him Islam. Yeah, I knew people firsthand account, but uh that's the book right there, brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:44

That's it, gotcha. Yeah, next time you come up, we gotta have your stuff on the screen so people could like Google it while it well, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:52

I had sent some pictures, I sent them to you. Could I could I do it that way? Yeah, yeah, send them to me. Okay, I send you to send it to your email or uh send text them to me. Text them to you, yeah. Yeah, very good, very good, very good, brother. Once again, it's a nice conversation, brother. I thank you for having me on.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:12

Oh, no problem, man. We went a little bit over, didn't we? Oh, yeah, that's fine, though. That's fine, brother. That's fine. All right, thank you for coming out this evening. I really appreciate you. Thank you for everyone on the chat. Thank you. I really appreciate you guys. Uh, I told you uh last week, I think we're doing less lives, uh uh more pre-recorded. Uh uh uh so you're gonna see another. I don't know if you're gonna see another live this week, but you're gonna see at least two next week. So you're gonna see at least two to three lives a week, and the rest gonna be pre-recorded. So uh uh look out for what's coming up next. Tomorrow we're talking about uh you know uh hip hop coming from the west coast and the east coast, and that's gonna be pre-recorded. We'll put out during the weekend. On that note, thank you guys for coming out again. Uh, don't forget to like, comment, share, subscribe, and we are out of here. Peace. Asalam alaykum.