Why is there conflict amongst FBA, The Diaspora, and Africans?

The internet makes it look like FBA, Caribbean, and African communities are destined to stay in conflict, but we don’t buy that story. We sit down with two returning guests to ask the uncomfortable questions: Why are stereotypes so sticky across the African diaspora? Why does misinformation spread faster than history? And who is cashing in, politically and economically, every time we turn our pain into content and start fighting each other online?

We dig into how identity gets shaped by different historical experiences, from Reconstruction era propaganda in the United States to colonial borders on the African continent that still function like “cracks” designed to split unity. We talk about how stereotypes work as tools of power, not just insults, and why the 1970s in America matter more than most people realize when we’re trying to understand today’s cultural damage. From education and HBCU connections to trade, minerals, and brain drain, the conversation keeps circling back to the same point: unity isn’t just emotional, it’s strategic.

Then we zoom out to the global machine. White supremacy operates internationally, adapts its tactics, and runs counterintelligence against Black organizing and Black intelligence. If that’s true, our response has to be smarter than clapbacks. We close with practical bridge-building: remember what we were before the narratives, support organizations and storytellers who control our image, and keep the “who benefits” question at the center.

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introductions

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Peace, peace, peace, world. How are you doing? It's your brother Mikey Fever. Welcome to another episode of NYP Talk Show, the Aurora. Podcast from this conscious spirit. Don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. We got super chats. Do what you do to support the movement. Let's keep it moving. Tonight we have two special guests, two dear brothers, that are not unfamiliar with this podcast. They are very familiar faces and they do bring great information. We got our brother Magnetic from the Black Round Table. My RBG brother, I call the Pan African guy. I though he don't label himself that, but I call him that. So see, got people calling me right now. But yeah, man. So I'm happy to have you, brothers, man. How you how you how you guys been, man? It's been a minute.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Man, just walking through it, go ahead. Go ahead, brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:05

Uh just walking through it. I just got a root canal today, you know. So I'm I I took a rest. I said, but let me make sure I can get up because I'm I was looking forward to this conversation. Me and this brother here running the songs.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Definitely. You Hasan?

SPEAKER_04 1:24

Shit. I I ain't had much, but the brother had today was an easy day. Root canal, boy. I had a rough. I ain't had I had a rough day, but I ain't had a root canal. Um, nah, you know, you know, regular day, man. Uh happy to be here, man. Appreciative to be here, you know, and uh impart some wisdom, man. And it's gonna be a great show, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Most definitely, man. Let's let's let's you know, let's let's get let's get down to it, man. And yeah, those root canals are unpleasant. I had one two weeks ago when I'm going back on the 16th, so yeah. Not pleasant,

Naming The Diaspora Conflict

SPEAKER_01 1:57

bro. Um tonight's show, we'll be talking about why is there conflict amongst FBA, the diaspora, and Africans? As people may know, we haven't seen a lot of back and forth online amongst our Caribbean brothers, our black American brothers, and our African brothers. And you know, when I say black American, those who label themselves are FBA. And I understand where the movement is coming from, but what I don't get is that all sides are having this uproar online, and I just want to get down to the bottom of it. So you know, with respect to all, I want to ask a question. I'm gonna ask this one question, whoever wants to go first can, you know, answer. How have different historical experiences shaped the identities of black Americans, Caribbean, and African people?

SPEAKER_03 2:51

Well, one uh historical experience I want to talk about, uh which became actually actually a memorandum, is uh some people are familiar with this, some people are not, but um, I think it was Zignou Brzezinski who put out a memorandum. Not exactly sure. I think it was around 1978, but what it's called Memorandum 46. And what they were saying was that they wanted to make sure they divide the continental African from the black American and the power that would come if these two came together on an economic level. You know what I mean? I mean, you gotta put aside all the social stuff that some people get along, some people don't. But they were talking about the economic power if when the black American and the continental African get together and put their bullshit aside and begin to do trade, commerce, cultural exchange, you know. Uh and uh he just went through all the different things that how that would kind of shut down a lot of America's hustle. You know, because we know COBOL come from the continent, right? They were saying they don't want the influence of the black American to begin to um uh show the continental African how much power that they yield as far as like these minerals that America's getting like pennies on a dollar, selling them to everybody else because they're keeping the continent not you know not in a producing stage, but more of a just a place where they get minerals from. But also at the same time, they do the brain drain and they get raw labor. You see. Right? So they do the brain drain, they get the best engineers, the best nurses and stuff at a very cheap price, you know. So, you know, they wanted to make sure they could keep that type of relationship up with the continent and keep us from being able to get in there and get access to some of these minerals and uh, you know, start to do a different type of mental intellectual exchange. Um I sent you some stuff, uh Brother Mikey. I sent you some stuff. Um, there was a very interesting video where they were talking about how there were so many different African leaders who came here and studied, say in Kruma. And said, I think it's a Lamoon, but I think they even said Thomas Sankara came through here. And what they were able to do is upgrade a lot of the education by coming to some of our um HBCUs. So this upgraded to uh, you know, just a level of life in Africa and whatnot. So they said, okay, we gotta cut that off. So there's a lot of streams of uh I would say exchange that happened between the black world, the Caribbean world, continental African world, you know, when the three that that that triangular trade is opened up, man, and solidified.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Yeah. Gotcha, the power. You, brother Hassan?

SPEAKER_04 5:50

Um, I would have to say it depends on what time period you're talking about. I mean, there have been tremendous things that have set Africans back, uh far as back as a thousand years ago, right? But I'm gonna bring it more to modern times, because this is the era that I believe that people don't study enough. And I'm gonna say the 70s, right? Okay. We study the 60s, we understand the civil rights movement, what took place, you know, Michael Max, Martin Luther King, and things like that. But we skip from the set from the 60s to the 80s. We never studied the 70s in the United States, right? We go straight into like crack and AIDS. The 70s is a mystery, right? And what was happening in the 70s? The 70s was, I want to say, maybe the decline of the the hippie movement, right? Where you had where you had these uh white people making their way into black spaces, bringing introducing new forms of drugs and things like that. You have black people coming back from Vietnam, you know, on Heron, right? That was the beginning of the attack of genetic, genetic attack, you know, the drug attack, you know, on the black community. The 70s, in my opinion, is an era that was highly uh unstudied. You know, people look at the 70s as a time where everybody was, you know, dancing and the the clothes and the music. But what came along with that was was drugs, a lot of drugs. And that set that set the way for the 80s to take place, you know, that that for the crack to sneak in and for other things to take place. So I would definitely say as a decade, I would say the 70s in the United States would be a critical uh uh point to study for black people.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Got you, got you.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

So we're saying that the 70s with the um to add on to both what you could further elaborate what both said, the 70s bought in the LSD, uh, and we had, as you said, in the 60s, 50s, 60s, the time, we had like the um scholars were traveling to college campuses of HBCU, educating them. We were creating that ridge of information to show that you know the brothers on the other side are looking to connect with you so we can learn from one another and open up trade. But the common denominator that I see is that I don't care if they don't like it on the show, the so-called devil had his hands, his thumb on everything, monitoring everything, basically. Preventing that preventing that bridge from happening, that connection.

SPEAKER_04 8:21

And then also you mentioned LSD, those psychedelics, right? The 70s, the psychedelic music, you know, George Clinton and all, that was a that was the gateway to a lot of the things that we see today, right? Like we make it fun of the mumble rappers today, but they are only the the offspring of of the crack epidemic, you know. So I definitely agree with the brother, you know, about the 60s because that that nearly wore out the United States. The 60s in the United States, in the Caribbean, everybody was fighting for independence, you know. Uh even even the Arabs, you know, Algerian that was fighting for independence. Like everybody was trying to get their their uh their oppressor off of their back. So the 60s also is a very, very pivotal point. Um, and the and the brother is correct about the uh Baris Basinski papers. Uh he was the security advisor for Jimmy Carter.

SPEAKER_03 9:19

Yeah, um I think he was on the National Security Council, if I'm correct. Or the uh no, or the Council of Foreign Affairs, I think, if I'm correct. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:28

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

And uh one of Barack is Barack Obama's main advisors. So what? Yeah, one of his main advisors so that and mentors throughout his life. So all the stuff he couldn't carry out directly through his department, he used as uh candidate to implement a lot of these things. You know, this is why Barack ended up attacking the main dude who was built in Africa, right? Gaddafi, see?

SPEAKER_01 9:58

You see what I'm saying? Yeah. I did send that. Yeah, I did, I did look at that. I did see that. So, okay, so now that we got some ground set on that, like, you know, there was conflict within the spaces of male native people from across the Atlantic and and here on the North American shores, Caribbean, etc., right?

Where Stereotypes Come From

SPEAKER_01 10:16

Where did that stereotype come from where they were like basically we know what slavery has done, but they always had like this image that was perpetuated of the black American, right? And they had an image of the African of being a savage and the image of the Caribbean being, I hate to say some kind of goofy. You know what I'm talking about, that colorful color that try to make it seem like he's just smiling all the time. Where did these images come from, these stereotypes come from, my people?

SPEAKER_03 10:44

Well, I know I can say as far as the foundation of black American, um, they had a uh specific uh incentive to paint us as other than ourselves, to make us look like savages, to make us look like rapists, to make us look like people who could not uh control and do uh civic government. Okay, and this was after, particularly right after 1865, after the so-called what they call the civil war. My question is how can a war be civil? Most people died in that war than any other war. So how is that a civil war? Civil means to be peaceful, be at war means to be at odds. Anyway, so they had an interest in painting us to be, other than ourselves, negative, unable to um do the affairs of government, particularly in the South, because we had so many black men that became senators, you know, that became politicians and that were over budgets and whatnot. So, you know, we got the numbers in the South. They had a serious threat. We looked at places like North Carolina, and they had a pretty much an all-black government. I mean, not just people who got just voted in as awesome. You, I'm I'm gonna put you there because you're black. No, these were people that were highly capable, man. They were highly capable, highly intelligent, well-steady, and probably some of the best governors that we saw. They got moved right out of office by white supremacist regimes that didn't like, you know, the fact of the um, you know, there was um brothers and whatnot. And the fact that, you know, now these are men, black men that are in positions of power and prestige, got money and whatnot. And now the white women are looking at these black men different. Women like men of power. See, and this is what was in the man's mind. Maybe that they didn't say, but they displayed, you see. You see what I'm saying? So and then uh a movie came out a little later called what? The Birth of a Nation. And you didn't have like black people portraying themselves, right? But in a bad way, like we do on these videos, right? These rumble rap videos and whatnot. No, you had white people painting their face black, yeah, portraying us in a very negative, highly sexualized manner. And then a black guy chases a white woman down, the white woman instead of supposedly laying with him, she jumps off the cliff. And this was Metro Goldwyn Meyer, probably the most shown and watched film, yep, that they showed at the White House. So, you know, a lot of people were on board with this agenda to tell the world that we were not uh fit to uh have the reins of power and to do government, you know. And thus you have today people still try to use that stroke. Uh uh uh uh uh Mr. Obama makes it all the way, but every step he takes, every breath he takes, they're questioning it. Oh well, can he? Is it possible? Does he know what he's doing? You know, it's like the niggas curious George. And this is how they approach us when it comes to the affairs of government, like we're unfit. But looking at their guy, this guy's a millionaire, billionaire, you know, his family got money all the way back. The guy to sin, he kind of looks unfit. This guy never held any other position of government. He never been a mayor, he never been a senator, he never been on a city council, nothing. But just because he got the complexion for the connection, he's supposed to be uh uh you know prepared to be able to hold the reins of governance. Not how it goes, but I'm saying, you know, from my understanding, it goes back to that, you know, that time.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

Yeah, okay to add a lot of things.

SPEAKER_04 14:38

I think the brother, the brother, the brother definitely um nailed that. Uh I agree uh wholeheartedly. I will also add though, when we first let's define stereotype, right? So stereo meaning the audio of being something being heard, right? That's what stereotype means. Someone repeating something. When we when we turn on our televisions, they're called HD TVs, high definition. That definition part is the ability to define. That's what the definition means. The ability to define, to see something, high definition. You're seeing something, I'm defining something for you. It has a definition, this is what it looks like. Am I coming in? Am I am I blotchy? It looks like I'm scrolling down.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

A little bit. You good? You good, you good though. Okay. Are you there? Um so what's going on? Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

It's Mercury and retrograde, I'm telling you, it's communication.

SPEAKER_03 15:41

Yeah, see, okay. My problem, he you're on your own time. First series new to you, too. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:49

Um so, so yeah, when you're dealing with the stereotype, you're dealing with the audio aspect of hearing something. When you're dealing with high definition, you're dealing with the ability to see something, right? And so I always ask myself, I always, because stereotypes are not just meant to hurt people's feelings, they are connected to political and economic situations, right? Like let me give you an example. Black people in the early 19th, 20th century, I'm gonna say 20th century, they were making money off of watermelons. That was that was their thing. Black people were selling watermelons, right? Becoming millionaires selling watermelons. And so that that stereotype of us being watermelon eating, you know, uh bunk dancing, that stereotype was designed to have us shy away from. You get what I'm saying? Because a stereotype is not just something to hurt your feelings, it has political and economic things behind it. You know, when you feel when you feel inadequate, you go out and you shop. When you feel inadequate, you go get a butt job. When you feel less than self, you go out and spend the money that you work for to make yourself feel better. So if I could then create a stereotype to have you feel a certain type of way, then that means I've created an economic force inside of you and it would drive. So you stereotypes are not just things that that uh that came about. They had economic reasons behind it. Make black people ashamed the watermelon, and then guess what? Now we have the watermelon, and now they're not, that's not their main industry anymore. And so um we have to understand that definitions have power. Stereotypes have power. You must learn to reject them and rise above them. But um, that's that's my consensus of where the stereotypes come from. You know, I even I even equate it to this, right? Which one came first? Chicken and the egg. We always say that. But my thing now is I say which one came first, the stereotype or the behavior.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

I like that. That's a hard one then.

SPEAKER_04 17:56

Stereotyped us, that's not hard to do. Stereotyped us, and then we behave in that certain way, right? So, you know, we just we just have to recognize that that's that's all it is. It's it's it's a political economic game. They use these stereotypes to to have us believe it and then operate in in that way, because that's the definition of power, as Wade Noble says. The definition of power is the ability to define someone's reality and have them operate in that way as if it is their own definition.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

Yo, that is so true. I see, you know, man. That's why I had to bring both of you guys on, man. And I I respect both of you. Um, this is what I see going on online. The narrative is fitting that. Like they, you know, people will bring up, you know, things happen in the past amongst people within the community, the Caribbean, the African, and the black American, like, you know, uh misinformation spreads faster than truth. So people seeing or hearing somebody different from them, they will go out there, make fun of you because you're not part of the collective, what whatever the case may be. So people carry on to these, they they they cling on to these traumas and these stigmas and be like, you know what? I'm not gonna stand next to this American, I'm not gonna stay next to this African, this Caribbean person right here. I don't get along with them because we know whatever the case may be. So then this thing begins to perpetuate, as you say, the stereotype is constantly echoed without being corrected, without knowing each other's history. Some of us may not know each other's history because we don't we don't take time to know one another. So this is why I say it's very imperative that we have this conversation to bring some clarity to get rid of this. Oh, go ahead, brother. Go ahead and do your thing.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

No, no, I just I just want to build on what you're saying. Go ahead. You finish, I just want to build what you're saying, though.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

It's to stop, to stop what's going on because I see what's taking place. Like when we at odds, right? Not only are the resources at the motherlands being taken away from our people, we see what happened to Africa. It's fragmented. There's no real union, they're fighting for that, but they can't get a hold of it because you got different European powers in there. The same thing happened in the Caribbean. You see what happened in the 80s for standing up, you guys you getting stepped on forever. And you know, internal conflict as well. And even here on these shores, we had our people working together. Like there was no division. It was like, yo, you once you hear this is our war, we're going to war because you represent us. You know what I'm saying? Your struggle is my struggle. But I don't know what happened along the years where the separation just take um just took place, man. That's what I'm looking for, the answer for that.

The 5%, 10%, And 85% Framework

SPEAKER_04 20:19

Um I I can't I can't specifically point to a certain event, but I would say this. I'm gonna detour it and I'm gonna try to bring it back. I would say this. The the African in America or the Foundation of Black American, however that particular person wants to identify, I respect the identification. But the African American, Foundation of Black American, they're in a very unique position, right? Like you can't plan for tomorrow. You ain't studying history, you're not thinking about nothing other than where your next meal comes from. If you're living outside the United States, let's just be honest. You get what I'm saying? People in Haiti don't have the time to sit around and study black American history. They people in Uganda, people in, unless you have, unless you're in that upper echelon in your society, you're trying to figure out where the next meal is coming from and what's going on. Anybody who's traveling to Africa or to Caribbean, you know it's a very hustle culture. Every dollar is the next dollar to the next day. Africans in America, Foundation of Black Americans are in a unique position where Dr. Amos Wilson says that is a very slick game that you can have libraries on every corner, but you induce the people to not want to study their own history, right? But there are a set group of African Americans who do know their history, who study their history intensely, right? But then there's some who don't who do not. All the information is here. All the information is here. Opposed to on the other side of the African diaspora with the continental Africans and the Caribbeans, all the information is not there. We don't have the Dr. Francis Chris Welsings. We don't have the Dr. Amos Wilsons. We don't have all the great scholars that were uh uh permitted to the African American. You get what I'm saying? So there's a real, real, real matter of fact, 95% of schools in Haiti are still Roman Catholic. So talking about that education.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Is that where you're from, brother? You from you from are you from Haiti? Are you is your background Haiti, brother Hussain?

SPEAKER_04 22:29

So so so my family traces back to Haiti, yes, but but I was born here in the United States.

SPEAKER_03 22:35

Okay, but you your your your grandparents and whatnot, they from they from Haiti, AT?

SPEAKER_04 22:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And my father is my father is Haitian by way of Benin, but that's a whole nother story in itself.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

Likewise, yeah, I'm I'm glad just to add on to what you said, not to take away from that, but we had like, you know, in Africa, they had like authors like Sheikh Anta Diop, which which I find people don't want to really it what hurts me is like he doesn't get the props that he deserved. And he had the Ivan Van Stern brothers and the others that came up came out. So um what's that dude that wrote the that book again, man? I read this book years ago. I mean CLR James. Yeah, CLR James.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

You know what I mean? Yeah, all the founders of Canachism. A lot of them are, you know, come directly out of the Caribbean. And specifically, you know, when I think of this conversation, this part of the conversation, I think of um who is the 5%, who is the 10%, who is the 85%. And I think every each of these populations have a 5%, a 10%, and an 85%. Now let me just say, we know the 85% is those who don't really have that much information, who are easily led the wrong direction, hardly leading to the right direction, right? And the 10% of those who do have the information, but they don't share. The 5% is those who are pretty much enlightened and trying to teach the 85%, right? Okay. So I would say each of these populations have that, that 5%, you know, of the people who are well educated. Now, if the 5% from amongst the foundational black Americans, and say that 5% amongst the Caribbean, and when we look at the Pan Afghanist Conference, the Fifth Pan Afghanist Conference, we see something like that happening. Where the 5% from amongst each of us or all of us, you know, even from the continent, are all coming and sitting at the table. You see what I mean? And that's a good conversation because these are people who are informed about each other and informed about themselves, have some knowledge yourself, some knowledge of their brothers and sisters who are in, you know, in other places and spaces. That's gonna be a good conversation. I want to be at that conversation. But when it's the 85% from amongst the Caribbean, Continental Africa, Foundational Black American, that's some completely ignorant shit.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

That I wouldn't wipe my ass with on the worst day of my life. Excuse the French. That's some completely ignorant shit, and that's what we're looking at a lot of times. If it's the 10% getting together, they just talk about how they can get over on everybody. Specifically the 85%.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Oh, that's happening right now.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

That type of conversation. I don't want to be, I'd like to listen to that conversation, but I don't want to be at that conversation either. That's like an NAACP brunch, right?

unknown 25:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

Don't disunacp because I've seen them do some good work, but they've took a wrong street, you know what I mean, and ended up on a dead end, right? Many of us have, okay. So, you know, it's just about what aspect you're talking about. But I'm I'm I'm of the mind that this conversation here, this is the 5%. You know, those who know and those who teach, you know, those who have clarity, those of us who can get together and really, you know, bring diplomacy to the table and walk away. Everybody can walk away with a sandwich, you know, from that table. You know, I'm of the thought that that's who this is. And we have to uh just show more demonstrations of those type of conversations when the five percent can get together. We can take the best part of all three of these different, you know, aspects of our people, bring it together, and really give a good representation. Okay, you know what I mean, and not fall into these what I call trauma traps and trauma triggers. Yeah.

Who Benefits From Division

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Oh man.

SPEAKER_04 26:31

Anything with that on brother Hudson with the conversation around the alleged diaspora wars, right? Um I have to take from the great ancestor Dr. Amos Wilson. He says, if you want to understand any problem, it doesn't matter if it's black-on-black violence, if it's mass incarceration, drugs, if you want to understand any problem in society, do not look at who suffer from the problem, but look at who benefits from the problem. And then you will understand the problem more sufficiently, right? And so because a lot of us don't see how us disagreeing benefits white supremacy, benefits white liberals, benefits whites and non-whites, you know what I'm saying? Because Latinos ain't much of no friends, Asians ain't much of our friends, Arabs ain't much of our friends, you know, Africans have no friends. But when we look at it from that perspective, when we give it that form of an analysis to say who benefits from our disagreements, it'd be a lot more clear. But also, a lot of us don't want to to um to actually get along, right? Because a lot of us have what I classify as uh narcissistic nationalism, right? Where yeah, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Because a lot of us have-seudo. I call it pseudo, but go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 27:55

Yeah, I call it uh uh narcissistic nationalism because again, when you look at the story of narcissism and you come out of Greek mythology, you know, this person uh, you know, being being all about self. It's about me, it's about me. And that really comes from a form of like inadequacy, feeling inadequate, but not being able to address it, right? So, you know, that happens in the Caribbean, you know, in Africa when we come here to the United States. A lot of us be super Haitian with the flags all the time, you know, waving them around. But we really, we, it's just a form of narcissism. It's not, it's not real. It's it's not real at all. It's fake, right? You know, um Africa, same thing, right? I see I see people in South Africa right now running around with that South African flag. And that South African flag was put together by a cracker. They out there running, chasing their Nigerians, they out there chasing their Nigerian brothers and Gignadian brothers and sisters around with a goddamn cracker flag tied around their neck. So when you have these borders that have been shaped by this European in your mind, and you you then again remember definition is the ability, I mean, power is the ability to define someone's reality. When these when this cracker came and said, This is South Africa, this is the border, and you believed it, now you're running around chasing your brothers around, clubbing them over the head because the cracker told you that's the border between South Africa and Uganda. Niggas are crazy.

SPEAKER_03 29:24

Yes, sir. And I like that you use the word cracker, family, because if you look at the lines in the continent, right, as opposed to the original uh joint of Africa that we have, which is all black. If you think of somebody cracking it, they look like cracks. Those Berlin, you know, conference lines, it look like cracks. And who put those cracks there? The cracker. What is a crack?

SPEAKER_01 29:53

Poetic.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

It's a compromise that's you know made in a surface, right? But uh, I would say the compromise came uh where they were able to uh break down the integrity of our unity and the integrity of our communication, right? And the integrity of our communities. And once he was able to crack and break down the integrity of our communities, right, and our communication amongst each other, he was able to come in stuff, you know, when a crack is uh made in something, stuff seeps out, but stuff seeps in. So a lot of good stuff seeped out of Africa, but a lot of negative stuff from the cracker seeped in through the crack. See, and we're dealing with the symptoms of all of those negativities of what seeped in through the crack and the stuff that seeped out because the stuff that seeped out was a lot of the um, I would say we talk about the knock culture, we talk about uh places like uh uh Maderop. They don't talk about these ancient civilizations, they wiped a lot of these away to uh, you know, give way to the cultures that that would do commerce with the European, but didn't do commerce with each other. You know what I mean? And here we are today. If I go from uh uh I say Egypt, maybe to Ethiopia, a lot of times you gotta go to Europe first. Then come back to Africa. And it's like, well, you know, that's a crack that's there, but I think y'all could fix that crack. Why have they not dealt with that that crack, that compromise that's been made between brother and sister states and whatnot? You know what I mean? Well, it's because it's definitely not the 5% of Africans who are who's running Africa, it's more of the 10% Africa with a uh European embellishment over it.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

Yo, that's that's so real what you just said.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

Yeah, man. So it's not a lot of times, it's not an Africa we can really relate to, because the Africa we left in the 15th century was United. It was one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

To add on to that, what you said was crazy that you have to fly out to Europe in order to get to up navigate through Africa. There's a uh a talking point that said a lot. It said if if your countries were so good, what are you doing in America? Get out my country, this and that. And my response to that, I always say they wouldn't have come here if the US, when I say US, not saying the brothers and sisters, but uh those that that are in power, the 10%, they wouldn't come here if the 10% didn't suck out what they had over there, like create the chaos, the resources, the lack of opportunities. So this is something I I this conversation right here is so important. It's something I want the I want the FBA to know, the current the Caribbean to know, and the Continental African brothers to see that we all have been played, believe it or not. We can study all you want, but the power, as Brother Hassan said, the definition of power is in the hand of these bloodsuckers. They define your future. So they got us at odds.

SPEAKER_04 33:09

I want to say I want to say this, right?

Colonial Power And Military Participation

SPEAKER_04 33:11

I want to say this. I and I and I say this with humble sincerity. You know, I'm a student of Dr. Francis Cress Welshing, Dr. Amos Wilson, John Henry Clark. I mean, the list goes on and on. I I actually organized money to get Dr. Amos Wilson's a headstone because he didn't have a headstone when I went to go visit him in New York. He just had a number over his grave. So when I say I am endeared to black Americans, their culture and their history, I'm very much endeared. I wouldn't be who I am if I didn't study their culture and history. Um but I gotta be honest, right? And I and I gotta speak truth to power. Um with great, uh, with great responsibility. How do you say with great responsibility or with great power comes out of the way?

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Responsibility. Right.

SPEAKER_04 34:01

There we go, right? So so I think I think African Americans, Foundation of Black Americans have overlooked how much they have participated in pushing white supremacy forward, right? Like African Americans have fought in every war since the American Revolution on the side of this cracker. You get what I'm saying? Um that is that is okay. Down here in South Florida, right? Down here in South Florida, they call African Americans, they call them Yanks. Now, it's not a negative term, it's just how they identify black Americans. You can consider it negative or not. But that term comes from when African Americans went into Jamaica and and they were not colonizing, but they were like putting down a rebellion that was going on in Jamaica. You get what I'm saying? And they were saying they were Americans, Yankee Doodle, basically. Like saying Yankee Doodle came to town, and so it became like a uh a term that Jamaicans used to identify black Americans, calling them calling them Yanks. That is a real thing. Like black Americans have assisted this Yerugu, this cracker, go into black countries and put down rebellions, put down organizations.

SPEAKER_03 35:16

You just but Jamaicans have assisted the British government in doing that as well.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Kenya was one of the main garrisons going to out Africa, putting the foot in people's heads. Kenya just went to what Haiti for who America do you either right? So this this you always have that element, my my family. I can I I can name it a lot too. I can name it a lot where it's happened to us, where they came and sick somebody on us, you know what I mean? So it goes all ways, family. Trust me.

SPEAKER_04 35:52

It does, it does 100%. I'm not I am not taking that away. What I'm saying is the greatness that comes with being connected to this monster is the point that I'm making, right?

SPEAKER_03 36:02

We're all connected to our colonial masters, though, right? Isn't that right? We're we're all do the bidding of our colonial masters, true, but ain't nobody that colonial master like this motherfucker. Like this, wait a minute now. Ethiopia with was the police for the UN, right? For a minute, where Ethiopia was going throughout Africa, you know, whooping people's ass, but they footing people's ass for the UN. That's true. This is true.

SPEAKER_01 36:28

Yeah, that that definitely is a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 36:30

That's not just a word. That's literally like nigga, you know what you got to do. Come on, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

They got a infected, they fangs in everyone, huh?

SPEAKER_04 36:40

Yeah. Damn. You're right. You are you definitely right, brother. You are definitely right. You know what I'm saying? I'm not taking away from that point. But and and even with Caribbean people coming here and joining the United States Army. Now, I'm not anti-army, I'm not knocking nobody who joins the army.

SPEAKER_03 36:59

It is, man. We you know, we all family.

SPEAKER_04 37:02

We can't, but I'm just saying, about we when we're talking about what has further pushed white supremacy through the ranks, it is that it's it's that military. And and and and like the brother said, we've all participated in that military in in actually harming one another. You know what I'm saying? I was simply pointing out how how big this army is and how generational it's been over time. That's what I was pointing out for clarity.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

I mean, I would say a part of this army yesterday is a uh a fellow named Papa Doc, who did a lot of damage, right? And he wasn't acting on behalf of Haitians. Papa Duck was acting on behalf of this, these motherfuckers, right? You see what I'm saying? See how that go? So it's that 5%, that 10%, that 85%. And whenever I have, whenever I look at my people, wherever they are, I have to find this 5% because I don't want to have that conversation with the 85%. Because they don't have these type of facts that we're talking about. They have all the worst part of the experience, and they're rejecting the best part of the experience. You know what I mean? The 10% have said, ooh, as long as we can keep all these motherfuckers fighting, we can eat real good, boss. That's their objective, you know what I mean? So I don't want to talk to them. I'm trying to find the people who are have the best part of the culture and want to do some diplomatic relations between my particular culture or ethnicity and their particular culture and ethnicity, and you know, make something that's better. I've seen examples of this, you know. Like if I look at my brother who has the uh the Puerto Rican brother who did the um library in the middle of New York, what's it called? The Schomburg? Chomberg, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

Schomburg.

SPEAKER_03 38:45

It's a very good example of that. Where somebody from somewhere else came and saw something that was very great and outstanding and multiplied it. You know what I mean? Use what he had and what we had to make something bigger and greater for all of us that could educate all of us, you know. Um, Kwame Tore is also another example of that. Where he was a brother who has um slightly different lineage, but he was able to get rid of a lot of the brothers and sisters from here, put together his ideas, a lot of his training, a lot of his culture to grow something to make something that we're sitting here engaging in right now, which is called anachronism, you know, and it's practical sense.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

That's what it's all about, man. That's why I see the similarities. Like this, this supremacy, it's all across the globe. Like, you know, that's why I look at melanin people. I'm like, yo, we shouldn't be at odds. I get it. Differences in culture, but believe it or not, with within the differences, there are similarities very much. You like, yo, oh, you do this. Trust me, you can identify with it. There's certain places I could walk into a place, say for instance, um a Trinidadian restaurant, Jamaican, whatsoever, or somebody from the South. I'll find those similarities within that place. Like, yo, I can identify with this. I don't see no differences, but it's just the way it's proposed online, as I call the propaganda, it's like, oh, we're not the same. And I'm like, that's strange. We have a lot of similarities outside of slavery. You get what I'm saying?

unknown 40:12

Right.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

Yeah, and you know what? I don't, I don't necessarily have people saying that we are not the same. I don't have an issue with that, right? The issue that I have is when you saying that comes from a divisive place. And that's kind of a little harder harder to determine, right? When they're saying just from a from like, because in order to understand a people, a group of people, you first got to understand the history. And I don't want to erasure anybody's history, right? Never. So what brought me closer to African American uh uh history coaches to studying it, respecting it, and recognizing that it is not my history. I just got here yesterday, right? But I have to understand the foundation of what I'm standing on, you know, because I am a black man, regardless of my living vacation, I am a black man. So in being a black man in this society, I have to know what black men have dealt with. So I won't have a nation where people say, oh, we're different. Okay, that's fine. We're still black. I get that. You know what I'm saying? And we're we're different, but I respect your history, I respect your culture, I respect the struggle I'm with you in whatever the case may be. But when people say it uh from a divisive place, that's not like, yeah, you just think that just because you you're being divisive. Like, of course, I know we got different different histories and different cultures, you know. Um but again, I'm a black man in this culture. I am not of the culture, like I didn't my my culture, I wasn't birthed from it, but again, I'm here, you know. Um and it is and it's so interesting.

Counterintelligence And Controlling Narratives

SPEAKER_04 41:54

Like, let me let me explain how white supremacy works, right? How my brother was saying that the 85, the 10, and the five. So interesting. I remember one instance, right, where I got put over by a police officer, a white guy. And he's walking up to the car, hand on the gun. I see him in my rear view. He's walking up hand on the gun. He likes license registration. I say, All right, officer, I'm gonna give the license registration. I give him my ID, give him my registration. He looks at my ID and don't lie, he says, Oh, you're Haitian. I said, Yeah. And he takes, he all, I can see the calmness just go out of his body. He got friendly, he got calm, he got real, because in his mind, he recognized I don't have a connection to this country the way that black Americans do. My connection to police may not be the same as black Americans do. You you get you get what I'm saying? There's a real connection that goes with that. But now when I go to France, when I go to France and they say, Oh, you Haitian, they treat me like shit. Do I want to treat me like shit? But they take a black American who doesn't have that connection. They take a black American and they're like, oh, we love hip hop. Frontex, oh, we love hip hop. You you get what I'm saying? Because they they understand that they wrong your people. They wrong your people, and they they they have that, they still feel that we wrong the Haitians. So when the Haitians come to France, we treat them like shit. When the Africans come to France, we treat them like shit. When the black American comes, we doing all the be boxing, the plot locking, we doing all the shit when the black Americans come. You get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 43:33

Entertainment, entertainment. That's what it is, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_04 43:36

So when we understand that white people operate differently, when they they treat us differently based on how they want to use us and how they operate with us. Oh, you get what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 43:46

No, they weren't that like a mother.

SPEAKER_04 43:49

Like a mug.

SPEAKER_03 43:50

You know, the kids missed that. And you know, you said it's something important, family. We always have to um, okay, because we know white supremacy is international. Period. It's a machine that operates international. Okay. Its scope, its intelligence that it uses. Period. They'll take an idea that's from over here in white supremacy. When it stops working there, they'll fly it to somewhere else. This is why, after in 1865, we shut down a certain apparatus of white supremacy. 20 years later, the Berlin Conference is happening. Literally, where they expand the operation. But they tested it here in America. They said, okay, well, these niggas ain't going for it. So let's expand the operation. They shipped it over here to Africa. Same operation, just in a different place, different space, and a slightly different face. You know what I mean? Now, if we're all sitting at the round table, we could say, well, look, man, they got intelligence on us. They're doing intelligence on us. We exchange information. Okay, now these this is who's coming. The French is coming, the Germans is coming, the British is coming, uh, Spain might be coming, Portuguese might be coming, Italy might be coming too. This is how each one of these guys get down. This is their get down. Because we got people who done rocked and had to deal with all of them. And it's like Malcolm X said, uh, it might be um a French poodle, might be a German Shepherd, it might be a Doberman. They all dogs.

SPEAKER_00 45:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

You know what I mean? You just have to know how each dog gets down to get down and the and the way of each dog so that that dog cannot what?

SPEAKER_00 45:35

Bite you on your back. You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 45:38

And this is the importance of these conversations. They do intelligence on us to see how we get down, you know, you know, determining what region that we're from, based upon the region that we got to do the same thing, intelligence. That's a very important thing. And, you know, just to close it up, these guys have spent millions, if not trillions, of dollars on something called counterintelligence, right? The question is, whose intelligence have they been countering? I would say they've been countering black intelligence. And they spent a lot of money to counter black intelligence, whether it be black intelligence from Haiti, whether it be black intelligence from Kenya, whether it be black intelligence from South Africa, North Africa, East Africa, or foundational black American black intelligence. They're countering black intelligence, and they spend a lot of time and a lot of energy on it, but then they'll say out of the other side of their mouth that we're not intelligent. Well then, what are you countering?

SPEAKER_01 46:42

Beautifully said. Let me tell you how powerful what both of you guys said was so profound. I remember hearing from an elder that when Bob Marley dropped that record, Africa Unite, there were two versions that were released in Africa. Like in the US had a different version, Europe had a different version, but in Africa, there was a particular part in the song that they removed. And it comes to show you, as you said, with the counterintelligence, they know that we know how to communicate, you know, through Morse code, tapping, tap dancing, we communicate with each other through music, rhythm, uh, sling. And they study that so well. And again, people may I'm I may catch flag for this, and I'm like, yo, what the hell are you saying? Even down to like the most popular culture, uh part of the culture that we have here is hip hop. You have Eminem who studied it, who people embrace, who embraces your culture more than you, your lyricism. Um you know that he crafted it to a way that he could excel and people call him the rap god, right? And meanwhile, you have individuals like cannabis who came before him who was not fully embraced. The same lyrical content to a certain degree. You get what I'm saying? They come to show you that the outside is always studying you. So that's why I'd like to see us have more of these intelligent conversations to show the world that they are thinking people because when we at odds with each other, the enemies on the outside looking in, like, look at them. This is this is how I like it. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? Because as they're going back and forth, they're revealing things about each other, so now we could feed off their vulnerabilities. Crazy, man. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_03 48:20

And like I think it's the 48 Laws of Power. They say when the two are at war, the third one will come to capitalize off of both. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 48:28

You know, yeah, yeah. That that there's an African proverb that says, uh, when two kings go to war, the only person who benefits is the one who inherites their stuff. Right? So we always gotta keep that in mind.

SPEAKER_03 48:42

This one Coptic sister told me, she says, she said, when it's two fish in the middle of the sea fighting, there's an Englishman somewhere near.

Pop Culture As Propaganda

SPEAKER_02 49:01

Yeah, I call him Skittle.

SPEAKER_04 49:04

He trash. Talking all this phenomenon gets by he up there, he the rap guy, he rap this. First of all, right, what what is hip-hop, right? Hip-hop is the ability to tell cultural references and turn them into stories, right?

SPEAKER_02 49:19

Correct, correct.

SPEAKER_04 49:20

Black men, specifically black men in the United States, have a connection to their mothers. Eminem's music talks mostly about his mother. I can't stand my mother, I want to kill my mother and his baby mother. Black men, we might be we might be misogynistic because we learned it from the white man, but you rarely hear black men making songs talking negative about their mothers. It's actually the opposite of that. We we make songs to our mothers. So when people say things like, oh, Eminem is the rope guy. No, he put some words together and they rhyme, and that's it. You cannot culturally identify with him because that's what makes it hip hop, that's what makes it beautiful. You can't culturally identify with what the hell Eminem is talking about. And I even speaking to me.

SPEAKER_03 50:13

What Eminem did is exactly the same thing they did in The Birth of a Nation. Okay. They put on what they call black face, right? And then later on became Jim Crow. He put on black voice. To not to find the and show you the intelligence of blackness, but to show you the most ignorant aspects of blackness. He picked the most ignorant aspects of blackness, he chose to perpetuate and multiply. He didn't pick um John Henry Clark, he didn't pick the minister, he didn't pick the Black Panther Party, he didn't pick none of that. He's in Detroit, he didn't pick Malcolm X, he picked the most ignorant part of black culture to take and emulate and then multiply. You know what I mean? And I always notice how when white people go to any part of our culture, whether wherever it's had in the world, they find the most ignorant part to look at, zoom in on multiple and multiply it. A good example of that is uh um a movie called The City of Gods. Oh yeah, y'all seen that? Yeah, yeah, this is how they sell us here in the states an image of the Caribbean, y'all. The city of gods. Not Clr James, not uh Pat Moore, not Marcus Garvey, not um uh uh uh uh Bob Marley, but the city of gods. Which is like the NWA of the Caribbean, right? You know what I'm saying? It's like it's like minister society in the Caribbean, right? You know, and us as the five percent, we have to come along and say, no, that's not the correct image. That's what they want to serve you. Okay, that's not the one though. We have a little bit of that, but that's not the main culture, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 52:07

Yeah, I think that's not our best image, that's not the image that that we want to promote, right? You see, and and that and that that's that's that's understandable.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

Um there's a hand behind it. There's a hand because you because we we already know we can't, you know, we we haven't getting flagged on this channel, so we gotta be careful with our language. But the part of Drake's people, let's put it like that. Half of Drake people, they profit off your pain. They're the ones that run the music industry, they're the ones who run the television and everything else. So the image that's perpetuated. You know, we we play a part of it too. Don't get me wrong. Like the directors we have, they try to tell a story. That became the that became the normal thing. And even down to shows like Love and Hip Hop and stuff like that, right? It shows our people the most negative light. Like it shows black women cannot get it together. Like they they they sit at the table with they're doing, throwing cups at each other and drinks. You see black men gossiping on the show like little girls, and I'm like, this is crazy. Or you see the type of feminine black men that that that they embrace. That's what's getting popularity and stuff like that. You get what I'm saying? It's so crazy now you can't even use the term to describe them because you get flag or strike for speaking out against them. You get what I'm saying? But you know what I'm talking about. The type of black men that Fox News like either you're dead, in jail, or you got a broken wrist. Let's leave it like that. You get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Or all of the above.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

So it it's wild. And you know, they call that toxic, toxic masculinity, in the sense that when you see brothers like us having these conversations to better our people to move forward, they look at it as, oh, it's being toxic, or it'll they sound like they want to engage in some kind of war. No, we're waging, we're waging war on the minds, on the psyche of our people. Because I'm tired of seeing us when I say us, I mean all of us around the world viewed it in the light of savage savagery. Where we're the ones who endure the savagery for four 400 plus years.

SPEAKER_04 54:12

Yeah, I would I wouldn't, I wouldn't, as Markham said, I didn't come here to change the mind of white people, I came to change the mind of black people, how they see themselves, right?

SPEAKER_00 54:22

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 54:23

And so I don't care about the the how white people view us. I care about how we then interpret that and move throughout the world because that's the real problem. You know what I'm saying? Kwame Toure said, Kwame Toure said, if you're racist, that's your problem. But if you got power to lynch me, that now becomes my problem.

SPEAKER_02 54:42

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 54:43

So so I don't care how they feel, you know. It's it's the part is they have the power to to get people's minds who may not be so strong enough to fight off those stereotypes. You know, white people, you know, they oh you're aggressive, Hassan. Oh, you did you're I don't care. I don't give a damn. You know, I always say this. My my father will always say this. He would say, I don't fear the white man, I fear the black man who wants to impress the white man. You know, that's who I fear.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

Yeah, you know. I said that the other day on the show. I said this on the Cointel Pro episode. I was saying that. I said, I don't, it's not the white man I'm worried about. It's it's it's my own brother that's gonna pull a trigger because I said it all the time. It was the white man.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

He's way closer to you. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

It was a racist white ideals and men that got to Malcolm, that got to Patrice Lumumba, that got to many others, and it was black fingers behind the trigger that did it.

SPEAKER_00 55:49

That part.

SPEAKER_01 55:51

That's the crazy part, man. And this is what I, you know, I respect you brothers for really coming out here talking about this, man.

Bridge Building And Final Calls

SPEAKER_01 55:58

What's the last thing you guys could give to our people across the globe to try to, you know, create a bridge of communication? What's the last uh piece of advice would you give? Because we gotta have a part two of this.

SPEAKER_03 56:11

Absolutely. Absolutely. I would say um, just a shout out, man. Um, to y'all who are um, it's a lot of things going on. We got a Republican Party, we got a Democratic Party, we got a Green Party, but none of them are really representing our interests. Uh, what I say is that we have our own party. Unfortunately, it has been promoted as other than a political party, it's been promoted as a gun club, as a social club, et cetera. And that party is, I say, good new blackpantherparty.black. That's the uh website you could go to, join us. And, you know, a lot of the things we need to be advocating for as a people. Because in the new Black Panther Party, you could be from any part of the continent, any part of the Caribbean or America, started here, but we have a place and a space for all of our people where we can move some of these things into its proper perspective. The first dimension of that being dialogue, good intelligent conversation. You know, so once again, I ask y'all to go to the new blackpantherparty.black. It's a website. You know, if you're interested, sign up. Or you could just come sit with us and get with us and read through the website, get some good information. You know, yeah, because you know, a lot of times we do stuff that's random, but the stuff that we do consistent is the stuff that we do through organizations. You know what I mean? And that's sometimes how we're gonna be able to pull a lot of this into focus, you know, bring clarity to it through our consistent work. There's something I don't see today, I might see tomorrow or next week.

SPEAKER_00 57:40

That's true, man. You, brother Hassan?

SPEAKER_04 57:43

Um, so right now I got a uh a GoFundMe going um on all my social media platforms. Um I'm trying to raise some equipment so that I can start shooting these documentaries because again, like the brother said, we got to control the narrative. You know, I I haven't seen any good documentaries on the move movement out of Philadelphia, right? I haven't seen any real good documentaries on the Haitian Revolution, like a really intense documentary, right? I haven't seen, you know, it's so many documentaries and stories that need to be told. And a lot of times, depending on where the director is directing you to see, or the producers producing the images, the documentaries don't really hold any value, you know? Like you can tell, you could tell a story, but we gotta be honest. Every story that's being told is being told for a reason. And so I have this uh, I have this uh GoFundMe going right now. I'm trying to even used equipment, it doesn't matter if it's used equipment. If you want to donate, put some money on it. I appreciate it. Everything is gonna go to me buying this equipment. So if anybody sees this, Brother Hassan, you can go and support that. Um, I'm also wrapping up on my book that I'm about to drop uh from Malcolm to Me. Um, I'm still shaking on the name, but we'll we'll see about that. Um and that's gonna be a whole bunch of essays. Um one of the essays I just finished up, and I put out some samples of the essay to a few friends, and they were loving it. So let me give you a little bit of backdrop. So uh 2010, the earthquake hit in uh in Haiti, right? And just recently, an earthquake hit in Venezuela. Massive earthquakes, killed million thousands of people, right? And so what I recognize is that from the lens of Afro-pessimism, right? What I recognize is that what's being put out there in the media and being said by local people and community members are two different things. When the earthquake happened in Haiti, it was basically, oh, it happened because of voodoo, because of, you know, this disobeyment to God, because of et cetera, et cetera, right? This is what this is what the news was saying, this is what Pat Robertson was saying, this is what Haitians were even saying, right? About about this earthquake. When Venezuela hit, we have to help them, you know, et cetera, et cetera. So the the the conversation is a lot different, you know, versus uh the earthquake in Haiti. So I just wrote a paper on that. I'm finishing up some some some works on that, but um if I had to give some words, I would say sankofa. And sankofa is the chi word for basically like remember, right? And we always gotta remember because to remember is to bring hold, right? To remember, to put back together. The opposite of that is to dismember, right? And I think even if you don't feel like doing your 23andMe, there are so many things you could pull from different African cultures. You get what I'm saying? You don't have to say I'm specifically from this African place in this African time, because that particular place may not have been there 3,000 years ago, but it's there now. Okay, but that doesn't mean that you're not African, you know? So I pick and I pick out little things from Africa that I want to use in my life, the proverbs, the the the the customs and things like that. And what doesn't work for me, I push it to the side. Because that's what what that's what culture actually is. It's it's it's it's the building yourself up, is instructuring yourself, a way to do do things throughout your life. So I don't need to say, oh, Haitian culture or this culture. I could pick from each culture that I need that that suits me and benefits me. And so all I'm asking for African people is to remember, to put yourself back together. What were you before slavery? What were you before the Arab invasion? What were you before Kemet fell? You know what I'm saying? Remember.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:50

Simply remember.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:51

I like that, bro. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:53

And I need both of you guys to send me your links of whatever project you guys are working on or product, so we can put it up on our, you know, our Facebook and under the under the description for this video. Because you know, we gotta get as as brother Magnik always he has this organization called the Black Round Table. This is what the Black Round Round Table is. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I'm not trying to I'm not trying to hijack your movement, but this is what it's about. It's all of us coming together at a table. You know what I'm saying? We dialogue and we sharing ideas because they do it. You know what I'm saying? When they do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:25

This was truly a black round table discussion, though, I must say. Yeah, indeed. Yeah, it's the theme and narrative of it, you know, the way it went. And I'm hoping we can have many more of these. I mean, we can listen to the 85% talk, but we already know where they're going with it. Exactly. The only real true light that's gonna come out of this is when the 5% from all these different, you know, places and spaces stand together and conversate, period. Yeah, but we need that.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:51

With that being said, my brothers, I appreciate y'all. Much love, much light to your power and respect. You you guys rock out. NYP people don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. Re post, re-listen. You just got educated by two brilliant brothers.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:06

Peace to the guys and Irish and the civilized people.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

Well, no doubt. With that being said, we are out. Peace.