The Mother Plane, Ezekiel's Wheel and Ufo's - Kevin Ali

A prophet’s vision, a government’s videos, and a question nobody can dodge forever: what are those crafts in the sky? We’re joined by Minister Kevin Ali of the Nation of Islam for a deep dive into Ezekiel’s Wheel, the “Mother Plane”, and why he believes modern UFO and UAP disclosure lines up with teachings the Honorable Elijah Muhammad shared decades ago. We talk scripture and symbolism, but we also get concrete, from what “wheel within a wheel” means in this tradition to why the language of “UAP” can quietly replace older words without changing the underlying reality.

We also wrestle with the evidence people keep pointing to: official acknowledgments, pilot testimony, and claims of extreme speed and instant turns that outclass familiar aircraft benchmarks. From there, we examine how Hollywood helped build the flying saucer mythology after the late 1940s, why “aliens” became the default storyline, and how pop culture can train the public to laugh off what might be a serious national security and spiritual question. We even touch Operation Stargate and remote viewing, not as a final proof, but as an example of how “impossible” ideas sometimes sit closer to official records than most of us realize.

Then we bring it back to real life. If instability hits first, what should people actually do? We talk preparation, water and food basics, supply chain shocks, food deserts, and why “prepper” behavior is no longer a fringe obsession. We close with clear next steps, including books Minister Ali recommends, so you can read the primary sources for yourself and test every claim. If this conversation challenges your worldview, share it with a friend, subscribe, and leave a review. What part of the Mother Plane discussion do you most want us to unpack next?

Transcript

Welcome, Guest Introduction, Ground Rules

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Peace, bro. Peace, bro. How you doing, your brother Mikey Fever. I appreciate the patience. You know, you guys may have had sorry for the delay. Apologize on some technical difficulties. You know how that goes when dealing with technology. And we appreciate that. That, you know, some of y'all were very patient to wait. No, it's not, it's not the Yankee Stadium. I make you stand for four hours or so. But I appreciate that. You know, you guys are here with us. Don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. We got super chats. Um, we got merch on the website. We have plenty of shows coming up, and we appreciate our followers, our viewers, and our subscribers and listeners for supporting this movement right here that we have over at NYP. Tonight's special guest. We got Minister Kevin Ali from the Nation of Islam. How are you doing, my brother?

SPEAKER_03 1:04

Brother, I am doing fantastic by Allah's grace in the person of Master Farad Muhammad, thanking him for his messenger, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. Thank you for inviting me on. Thank you for having me on the show, brother.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

No doubt, no doubt. I appreciate that. We appreciate you. Thank you for you know making this time to come on here with

Ezekiel’s Wheel As A Real Craft

SPEAKER_01 1:21

us. And tonight's topic will be the mothers, the mother plane, Ezekiel's Wheel and UFO. Brother, I know, I know it's gonna be very in you know in-depth, and we can start it off with the first question.

unknown 1:37

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

You ready? All right, cool. No doubt. How does the nation of Islam interpret Ezekiel's vision of the wheel?

SPEAKER_03 1:46

Brother, that is a phenomenal question. I could do I could literally do an entire lecture on that, just that one question. I'm not gonna do that. But what we have been taught by the honorable Elijah Muhammad is that Ezekiel's vision of this wheel was actually shown to him in reality sometime in 1931 by his teacher, Master Farad Muhammad, who explained it as a wheel within a wheel. He described it as a human-built planet. In other words, a ship, a craft that was constructed. And it's very important that you ask that question from a scriptural perspective because it's that scriptural knowledge that gives us the background into what these signs and symbols mean. And why I also brought this up as a topic a couple uh months ago, a month or two ago, with uh brother Ron was because the United States government had endeavored to release files, previously classified files, and you can go check these files out for yourself and do the math at the US, excuse me, at war.gov forward slash UFO, where they were where they began to release uh documents, release videos of these crafts that had previously been labeled unidentified. Also in December, are you are you familiar with the Bill Maher talk show on HBO, the comedian built political? Yeah, he did a his opening guest in one of his shows in December. I can't remember the gentleman's name, but he had produced a documentary video, a two-hour documentary called The Age of Disclosure, where that's Bob Lazar.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Is that what Bob Lazar?

SPEAKER_03 3:51

I think that was his name.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:53

I googled real quick. But the the documentary is called Age of Disclosure. And in that documentary, and I watched the documentary, it was a two-hour documentary. This gentleman, now they didn't call it Ezekiel's Wheel, they didn't say Nation of Islam, they didn't say mother plane, they called it UFO and UAP. And they didn't just go to uh people in the country and people in a regular town seeing these objects, they went to military pilots, uh physicists, astronomers, uh, U.S. senators, uh, heads of the Department of Defense, and they all agree that there is something that people are seeing. They've been trying to keep it a secret and trying to explain it away for years. But now it's just there's too many cameras out now, and too many people are seeing these objects. So they did a documentary called Age of Disclosure, and I encourage the audience to go check that documentary out for themselves. I submit to you tonight that the honorable Elijah Muhammad explained what these phenomena and what these crafts were some 70 to 90 years ago uh in his teachings on what Ezekiel's wheel is and what the mother plane is. And please, please forgive me. Don't I mean if I'm talking too much, you know, jump in off.

SPEAKER_00 5:14

No, you're good. We're here. We're here to listen, man.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

So I'm hoping I'm at answering that question. I'm Googling this real quick to see what the, I forgot the what the name of the uh it's an age of disclosure, it's a 2025 documentary about the UFO director produced by Dan Farrah. Dan Farrah was the producer of it. And he interviews Pete Hexf, he interviews Marco Rubio, he interviews the people in the joint chiefs of staff. These are these are extremely credible people, and they're saying, yes, we are seeing these phenomena, but we don't know what they are. But we're gonna start seeing, we don't know where they come from. They say things like, well, they say, Well, did it come from China? They say, no, no, it's not from China. Well, is it is it from our our arsenal? No, it's not from the American military arsenal. Is it from Russia? No, it's not any is it from India? He they start naming all these countries, they and one of the gentlemen in the documentary said, no, it's it's from another nation. See, when I hear that, that is uh I hear Nation of Islam.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Oh, you hear the name of the nation. Okay, I got you, I got you. I just know where you're coming from.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

We're not an organization, brother. That flag actually means something to us. We are, in fact, in our belief system, we are a nation, we're a landless, a stateless nation at this point. Much like Israel was a stateless nation up until 1948. They consider themselves a nation, they just didn't have a land. Even though the entire earth belongs to the black man, we are in fact stateless, lost here in the wilderness and hills of North America as a captive people. So if you don't believe what Kevin Ali says, don't believe what Elijah Muhammad says, go look at this documentary for yourself and see. But the information that we're going to be sharing with you tonight, the nation of Islam has been teaching this since 1930. I submit to you that the government is finally having to come up off of this because too many people are seeing these things, and too many people are seeing these crafts and these objects, particularly over key military installations. So when Elijah Muhammad said this this was the prophecy of Ezekiel's wheel, you can look at prophecy, excuse me, you can look at scripture one of two ways. Ezekiel the prophet, according to historians, lived approximately 516 years before Jesus of 2,000 years ago. So either the Bible was documenting what Ezekiel saw in a vision at that time, or the Bible is foretelling a future Ezekiel actually physically seeing these crafts when they make their appearance. The Audible Laj Muhammad teaches us that these crafts were built or completed in 1929, built on the island of Nippon, which you know as Japan.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Japan, yeah.

unknown 8:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:21

Oh wow. All right. That's a lot to that's a lot to take in, you know, because you know, with the teachings of UAPs or UFOs as they call it, and you know, they hit, you know. I heard about this when I read the book, um, I think I believe Theology of Time. Was it Theology of Time or God Tribe or Sebastian? It's one of those books when they spoke about the UA um mothership and everything else. And I always was a little bit reluctant about that, because I'm like, you know, I'm one of those people I gotta see if they believe it, like a UFO. You know, I'm like, you know, because we hear a lot of people like tend to speculate on that, and I get it. It's something to that we we must question, but I I want to get more in depth with this mothership because I heard Ferrakhan speak about it on the uh Criterion. Yes, I believe. And you know, I would I want to elaborate more about this because a lot of people have been waiting for this moment about the um the Ezekiel's will and the mothership and when it will be arriving and what would take

Government UAP Files And Pilot Reports

SPEAKER_01 9:20

place as far as the liberation of the of our people and such. So, what evidence supports these beliefs of the existence of the the existence of the wheel today?

SPEAKER_03 9:31

Say that again, you broke up on the first part of the question.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

My bad. What evidence supports the belief that the wheel exists today? What evidence do we have?

SPEAKER_03 9:42

Well, uh as as I was sharing, uh people are seeing it. The United States government acknowledges that there are crafts and phenomena that they are viewing and seeing. You can go complete you like I said, go to war.gov forward slash UFO. And they there they see videos, they they show uh pictures of it, they show, they they interview pilots, they're releasing documents. Now, a lot of people say, well, those videos aren't real clear. Well, that's because you got to remember in the United States military, there are two types of airplanes. There are tactical or strategic airplanes, which are weapons to strike, and there are reconnaissance aircraft.

unknown 10:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:32

Tactical or strategic aircraft don't have high-resolution video systems on them. They have infrared cameras, they also have uh radar type cameras, they have those types of cameras that are necessary for weapon systems to lock on, not so that the human eye can see it clearly. Okay, I got you. And the estimated speed of it was about nine to ten thousand miles per hour.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

So it's defined the laws of gravity and the mock speeds and everything, the way it moves to the yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

The I was in the United States Air Force. The fastest uh plane that was in the United States Air Force arsenal is the SR-71, which can go about Mach 5 or 6, which is about 3,000 miles per hour.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:23

It's going straight at top speed to make a right turn, it takes a thousand miles for that ship to execute a right turn. The pilots stated that these craft that they were seeing could make a right turn at 9,000 miles per hour or a left turn or in any direction instantaneously. What I'm sharing with you now don't come from the nation of Islam. This comes from the United States government.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

From the from trained military personnel who are used to seeing crafts, who know the tactical abilities of the wet of their enemies, and they said, We've never seen these before. Now, the honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that this craft was completed in 1929. The first uh the first documented viewing of UFOs was in June of 1947 by a businessman who was also a civilian commercial, a civilian pilot by the name of Kenneth Arnold in 1947. That was the first majorly documented sighting of quote-unquote UFOs. And it was over Mount Rainier, Washington. And since it's around about that time where the United States government said, you know what, we're seeing these things, but we got to put out a story here because we don't really know what it is. So they started using their propaganda machine to craft a narrative for the American public. And that narrative that began to craft was crafted by Hollywood. You had a after 1947 in the 50s, you had a trove of movies about UFOs, about flying saucers. At first, the movies, the the people who were on these flying saucers in movies were humans, humanoid in look. The day, I don't know if you ever heard of The Day the Earth Stood Still, very famous science fiction movie. I mean, there's just dozens and dozens of these movies. Later on, they started producing the narrative in movies that these crafts were not with humanoids on it, but they were alien type creatures.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

Yeah, little Greenman, Roswell.

SPEAKER_03 13:44

Exactly. I submit to you that that is a cover story to hide now. Now here, now here I'm getting into the Nation of Islam teachers. There's no doubt that these crafts exist. What they are, where they are, and who's on them is the only question. The honorable Ajlama since 1930 teaches us that they are original black men who are on these crafts. Human beings, born of a man, born of a woman, born on this planet.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Got you. And I like that. All right.

Mother Plane Size And What It Carries

SPEAKER_01 14:17

How large is how large is the mother plane said to be?

SPEAKER_03 14:21

That's an excellent question. According to the honorable Ajah Muhammad, he was very specific in its dimensions. He said it's a half a mile across and a half a mile straight through. Now in the movies, they make it look more like a saucer or a dish, you know, wide and thin. But the dimensions I describe make it more like an orb or a walnut shape for the mother plane.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

Okay. Okay. I think I've seen that that depiction before in some.

SPEAKER_03 15:02

Also, again, from the Nation of Islam perspective, when the honorable Elijah Muhammad was arrested and placed in jail right uh during World War I, the FBI confiscated all his notes, all his drawings on the mother planet. And he was put in jail for uh about 1941.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

The question I want to know, how did he have how did he get hold of those, you know, depiction those notes? When WD Farad had what intel with the you know government at the time to get all that information?

SPEAKER_03 15:38

How did how did the messenger get these notes?

SPEAKER_01 15:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

These notes were notes that he took from WD from his teacher for the first time and writing it down.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

But how did where did WD get that information from? That's the question I want to like, you know, as far as the excellent question.

SPEAKER_03 15:56

According to Oliver Lodge Mohammed, Master Farad Muhammad is the designer of this craft. He is the designer and chief engineer and chief architect and chief builder of this craft. Now, does that mean he went out there with a hammer and nail and built it? That's not what it means. Yeah, but he is the chief, he is the chief builder of this craft. It was built according to his design, his specifications. And it's not the first time that a craft of this type was used on our planet. According to Messenger Elijah Muhammad, this type of craft was used trillions of years ago by original black men trillions of years ago, and they used this craft, this type of a similar type of craft to raise up the mountains. The way those mountains were raised up is bombs were dropped from the craft and drilled to a particular depth, depending on how deep the bomb drilled, then it would explode and it would raise up a mountain that high. Now, this was done trillions of years ago. The current craft is a completely completely new craft, completely new, updated design. It is more like have you ever heard of an aircraft carrier in the Navy?

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

They carry airplanes on. This is an aircraft carrier that floats instead of on water, it floats on air and travels in air, and it carries 1,500 smaller tactical bombing planes on.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

I believe the baby planes, they call them, right?

SPEAKER_03 17:35

That people call it. And each of those planes, according to the Honorable Vajra Muhammad, has three tactical weapons on it. Again, a bomb which is designed to drill. Now, this bomb is designed to drill one mile into the ground. So 1,500 planes, three bombs, three bombs on each plane equals 4,500 total bombs. That is 4,500 targets. Targets of what? Targets of our enemies who have done this to us and continue to treat us the way they have treated us. There has to be some recompense, according to God, according to his prophets, according to the scriptures, for how they have treated the black man and woman in America and all over the world. So those bombs are designed to destroy cities. And once those bombs explode, it will set up a mountain one mile high and destroy everything within a 50-mile radius of those 4,500 cities.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Gotcha. All right. Just just a side note for giggles. Not leaving giggles, just to go off track but come back. Do you think that's why? Um do you believe that's the reason why Trump created SpaceX? Because the mothership is coming in.

SPEAKER_03 18:48

So they probably feel like not only is that why Trump and the Trump administration uh created SpaceX, but it is the reason why the Caucasian went to the moon. His desire was to set up a station on the moon so he can get a shot at the mothership, according to the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Gotcha. A base of operations that he could preferably, because he he knows he can't live there. He can't build a civilization, there's no atmosphere there. So the messenger said he went to the moon to try and build a way station there. And according to some uh moon conspiracy theorists, astronauts there said that there were people watching them, or creatures, they say, watching them when they landed on the moon. I didn't hear that from the messenger. I'm just going by general conspiracy.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

I I've seen some documentaries speaking about that where, you know, um I believe a numerous time they went up there, they say they believe they saw footprint or they seen like some crabs land by them or something has been moved up there and such. You know, I I was like really into this stuff before, like trying to understand what's taking place up there. Like I heard the stories from different people outside of a nation of Islam who like from government people that work, like the Bob Lazars who work on these projects, and many others who um Peter Moon, those guys, and um what's the other guy? That Phil Schneider guy he said about the underground base then when they had um you know extraterrestrials and stuff like that, and it was the ship they they um the Germans at the time are re were re-engineering the ships that they found and as such. So it's like wow, these these things do exist, you know. But I want to get more in depth with this mother plane. Uh it's like how large the mother plane said to be. Alright, I asked that question. What role does the mother play, the mother plane plays in God's role? Like we we know about our people having gone through suffering and bondage on this planet, and that you know, we are the original people of the land of the universe, as they say in the um, you know, when they say who was the original man, the original man is Asian black man, maker, owner, queen, the planet earth, father, salation, god in the universe. How um how does that connect to the mother plane and what how is that connected to God's plan for our people with the mother plane? Well who's operating in the mother plane that more, I want to ask. I'm sorry, who's operating the mother plane?

Judgment, Warfare, And Why It Matters

SPEAKER_03 21:20

Well, according to the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, each of the 1500 bombing planes has a pilot on it. So that's at least 1,500 pilots. Now, what other personnel is on the plane or on the mothership, I don't know. I haven't heard the messenger teach, but he does teach us that each of those pilots have been training for their tactical objective since they were six years old. If you know anything about the Caucasian military, especially his uh his Air Force and his naval pilots, they train for particular. There's a pilot right now who has who's been training to make an attack run on Moscow, for instance.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:01

There's a pilot in the Air Force or Navy who's been training, or pilots who've been training to make a tactical run on Beijing. They set up the they set up these scenarios to deal with their enemies. And they use weapons to deal with their enemies. Well, why why are they why are they planning an attack on Russia or an attack on China? I'm not saying they're planning one, but I'm saying they are preparing for one if it need be. What's going on in the Middle East? That that those those those scenarios in the Middle East that are taking place right now in Palestine and Lebanon and Iran and Iraq and they've been training and planning for that for 50 years now. Pilots have been trained. They don't just go over there and say, okay, we're going to choose. They've been selecting targets. Why? Because they have an objective. Their objective was to control that holy land because of its uh mineral value, its natural resource value and oil, and also its religious value because one of our prophets, who's a one of our righteous brothers, who's a prophet by the name of Jesus, is buried there. He uses his good name to shield his dirty religion that is called Christianity. Jesus teaches them we're not Christianity, they're freedom, justice, and equality. That's the lesson, right? Yep. So they have to protect that secret because the body of Jesus is there. If we get back, if they get give up control of that area and the world finds that the body of Jesus is really there, then their world begins to unravel because it is that lie. So they protect that area with military force and might. They put their little brother Israel there as a hedge to protect it. Well, I submit to you that because of what they have done to you and I and our ancestors and people around the world, innocent people around the world, that there has to be a punishment to pay. Now, our God is in control of the forces of nature. But as the white man says, at some point you got to send in ground troops. Our ground troops, if you will, is not wind, hail, snow, and earthquakes. America's being plagued by those now. Our grand troop troops, ground troops, are these tactical weapons that are aimed at these cities to bring the Caucasian world to its knees, really to eliminate it. There's got to be some recompense according to the Bible and Holy Quran.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Of course, Revelation, there's something something has to give.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

Something has to happen.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Something got to go. So does the nation of Islam believe Ezekiel physically witnessed advanced technology? Because that's what it sounded like at the time, like with some form of advanced technology, as you mentioned. Like it came as a geometrical vision to him, but it could also represent advanced technology.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

That's what well, as I said, it could be Ezekiel's vision in the Bible could be taken two ways. It could be a man named Ezekiel who lived 500 years before Jesus, seeing this or being given this vision from the future, or having this revealed to him about what would happen in the future. Because remember, we write scripture 25,000 years in advance of history that happened. So it could have been given to that Ezekiel of 500 years before Jesus, or both, or it could be the modern Ezekiel actually seeing it now. We believe the modern Ezekiel is Messenger Elijah Muhammad. So it could be in, it could be either or both of those scenarios. But yes, scripture gives us insight into what these things mean and why they're here, why they're there. And Ezekiel's vision, he said he saw eyes all around the wheel. The only thing that has eyes that can operate a mechanical device is human beings.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

How how um have you guys ever had like clashes with so-called like scientific scholars from NASA who try to debate the fact that the mother plane exists? Like instead, you know, when they hear from the Nation of Islam perspective, like, yeah, but it sounds like it's so centered upon your upon your teachings. Do you guys have a clash with um scholars over that?

SPEAKER_03 26:35

I don't know of any, I don't know of any particular scholarly discussion or scholarly debate concerning the mother plane with any uh particular scientists. Like not that not that I'm aware of. There may have been. Uh I will put it this way, brother Mikey. This topic is very uh what's the word on the web drawing? I want to say important, but that's not the right word. The Caucasian world is very curious about this topic. If you look at NYP Talks uh numbers, when we did that show two months ago, that is now NYP Talks' largest live show audience in your archives. Yeah, it now has 21,000 views. Uh so people are looking to find out more about this. It's it's a wider audience. Yes, were we scoffed at for saying this in the 1980s, the 1970s, the 1960s, the 1950s? I'm sure we were. I mean, why wouldn't somebody somebody scoff at this? Flying saucers, oh come on. But that idea of oh, flying saucers, come on, remember, they planted that narrative of flying saucers and little green men in the 50s and 60s with their UFO iconography. But if you look now, their movies are taking a much more realistic view of these crafts, starting with remember Will Smith's movie Independence Day?

SPEAKER_01 28:09

Independence Day, I remember that. That one was crazy.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

They called it the mothership.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Yeah, they didn't. You're right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

The only difference was there were creatures on it.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

Okay.

Operation Stargate And Remote Viewing Claims

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Have you ever heard of the Stargate Operation Stargate?

SPEAKER_01 28:25

Um, I remember that the the uh the movie I went to go see back in '95.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

Remember the movie?

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

Hold on to your hold on to your hat, brother Mike, because I'm about to blow that hat off your dome. Operation Stargate, have you ever heard of remote viewing?

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 28:44

Operation Stargate was a remote viewing experiment. The experiment was two parts. The U.S. military, not the government, the U.S. military got this dude who said he could remote view. So they said, okay, we're gonna see if he's real. So what they did was they put his remote viewing objective, Operation Stargate, they put his remote viewing objective into a sealed envelope and put it down in front of him. So that was step one of the to see if this guy was agenda. What was in the sealed envelope, it said to remote view the civilization of Mars from one million BC.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Sound like some telepathy right there.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

So the remote viewer was able to tell what the objective was in the sealed envelope. Then he remote viewed Mars in Operation Stargate. He remote viewed Mars 1 million BC. The military psychic's name was Joseph McMonagle. And his remote, and he was handled this, he was handed a sealed envelope that contained a card that read the planet Mars, time of interest, approximately one million years BC. Without knowing the target, he was given specific geographic coordinates and described seeing structures, large pyramids, obelisks, massive roads, and deep network of shelters. This is what he saw in his remote viewing session. One million BC, brother Mikey.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Okay, so I get what you're saying, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

Now, the honorable Yash Mohammed teaches us that seven of the planets in our solar system are inhabited. He's been teaching us since 1930 that Mars, of course, is one of those inhabited planets, and the people of Mars live 1200 of our Earth years and are eight to ten feet tall. He said he saw slender individuals, very tall, thin people, wearing strange fitted silk clothing. This is what the remote viewer said in this remote viewing session, and you know when this operation Stargate was? It was in 1984. Remember, they said, Oh, and the remote viewers saw pyramids, obelisks. What was in that movie?

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Yeah, that's a fact. Yeah, it's a fact. It took place in Asian Kimmitt.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

In his move in his movie iconography to see how the public will react to it, react to it.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

I got you.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

But he was scientifically doing this in 1984. And Operation Stargate is right on the Freedom of Information Act reading room. This is not the nation of Islam saying this.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

No, no, no, no. I I got you. I got you.

SPEAKER_03 31:41

And I'm not trying to say to you, I know who's in the audience.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

Of course, of course. They want double blades say the same thing, too.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

How much more proof? What do you want me? You want me to summon the mother plane and park it in front of your house? Is that the proof you want? I mean, come on, we that would be cool. Islam is win at no limit of time. No, we had none of this 20 years ago. We had none of this 30 years ago. All we had as believers was what the honorable Elijah Mama taught us. I, for one, believed it. Although I never saw it. I saw it in 2017 during the uh eclut in 2017.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

Oh wow. That's be um facetious, because there are times I do, you know, I patience to these topics, I may joke around, but I don't see it as too far-fetched. Reason being is um the Dogon tribe were able to map out the stars without quote unquote advanced technology, not knowing as modern name Zulu people, but yeah, they were able to map out the constellations of the Dogon, you know, the Dogon tribe at the time. So it comes to show our people have a deep connection with the universe where man can do so. And even the hieroglyphics in ancient Kemet, they would have like these um images on the wall that look like flying saucers, light bulbs and stuff like that. I'm like, they didn't even have that, what we know today as advanced technology within their time. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

For those who think that this is just super fantastical information, just ridiculous. I've never heard of such. Imagine that, let's transport ourselves back to the year 1850. Imagine telling somebody in the year 1850 that there would be modern flying jet planes that could cross the country in four hours. They would be like, What? What are you talking about? Yeah. But that idea was placed in somebody's mind to produce that, and they did produce it. I submit to you from the honorable Elijah Muhammad that the current ruling powers of this world were given time to rule in this world, and our knowledge, our wisdom, and our power was put to sleep to allow them time to rule. And that time that they were allowed to rule was 6,000 years. The honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that the earth ain't 6,000 years old, that we have been on this planet populating this planet for trillions of years, at least 72 trillion years. Original black people have been populating this particular planet that we now call Earth. Gotcha. Does the concept of a flying a flying saucer sound crazy? If you're teaching this in 1930, of course. 1940, yeah, ridiculous. But the Caucasians didn't take it ridiculously. They began crafting a narrative to get people to make sure they keep thinking that it was ridiculous, particularly you and I.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Gotcha. So before we could continue go any further, I just want to shout out the chat real quick. Peace to created balance universe. Thank you for the super chat. We appreciate you. And what he says is, do you know stone inscriptions in Mesopotamia and Egypt, starships and beings pointing towards the stars? Thank you for that information right there. So, how is the mother plane connected to the establishment of a new civilization? Like, you know, say tomorrow morning, boom, mothership arrives. What happens, theoretically speaking?

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Well, according to the honorable Elijah Muhammad, approximately eight to ten days before the final destruction of America, this is America that's going to be destroyed. There might be selected targets in Europe, but this is America that's going to be destroyed as a sign to the rest of the earth. From the mother plane, instructing us what to do and where to go. And I can't remember the name of the movie where it was a disaster movie where from where from these alien craft leaflets were dropped from during the in the movie. I mean, where are they getting the ideas for all this?

SPEAKER_00 36:12

That's true.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

Yeah. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 36:16

My wife and the it was it was Leave the World Behind. Leave the World Behind Craft and Leave the World Behind, which is on Netflix.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

I'm gonna check that movie out.

Preparation Mindset Water Food Off-Grid Living

SPEAKER_01 36:28

Um why is preparation emphasized before the appearance of the mothership? Like how show how should the original people live before the arrival of the mothership? What steps should be taken?

SPEAKER_03 36:42

This is very important. And again, I'm not sitting around waiting on no mothership. I'm not sitting around. We have to eat today, we have to live today. But have you are you familiar with uh the term the prepper community?

SPEAKER_01 37:00

No.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

In America, there's a group of mostly Caucasian people who call themselves preppers, and prepper is short for preparation, and what they are doing is they're stocking up on food, they're stocking up on water.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Oh, doomsday. I heard it on the doomsday, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:20

Not just not just doomsday people, but they're stocking up on uh weapons, they're stocking up on uh radios and all the type of uh of uh gear that you would need to survive uh being off the grid. It's just like the people in war-torn areas around the world. The honorable Elijah teaches us that those war-torn areas that we see on the news, pay close attention to what's going on because soon that will visit America. So, first thing you have to understand is what will I need to survive if I can't go to Kroger's, if I can't go to AP, if I can't go to Shopright up there. First thing you need is you need water. How much water do you need? You need at least a gallon of water per person per day stored up. Message Rodic 100 teaches us you should store up at least 90 days' worth. You can go weeks or even months without food, but you can only go about a few days without water. Particularly food items that we can eat without having to cook them. This is what the this is what the prepper community is doing in white America. And quiet as is kept, your next door neighbor is doing it too. They're just not telling you that they're doing it. Because people in the know know that it's getting kind of late in the game. Yeah, you haven't stocked up yet. You don't want to tell other people you're stocking up, because when it goes down, you'll be the first one that they hit.

SPEAKER_00 39:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

You see the dragons in the water, right?

SPEAKER_03 39:22

All these doomsday scenario TV shows and movies, yeah. Washing Dead, uh The Day the Earth Stood Still, uh uh Day After Tomorrow, uh Bird, uh what's that one where the birds where they look the thing and the uh uh what's I can't think of the name, it's it's on Netflix. Uh what's the other one? Uh a quiet day where they had to be quiet because these creatures were oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

I remember that one.

SPEAKER_03 39:53

They they are obsessed with these doomsday scenario movies. They're sending a sub a message to their people so that we don't see it and hear it. But their people were getting the message that writings on the wall stock up. Say that again, brother.

SPEAKER_01 40:07

The writings on the wall because they showed, as you said, in this in those movies and even commercials now. Like you see advertisements on TikTok and social media talking about here's a flashlight for sale in case something goes wrong. Like since when we know we know for Home Depot, but now they're pushing out things um sleeping bags and compasses and outside cooking pots and stuff like that, cooking utensils.

SPEAKER_03 40:30

Ready, ready to eat meals like the military uses.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Yeah, MREs, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:36

They're selling them in Costco and BJ's and Walmart and Sam's Club now.

SPEAKER_02 40:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

What the what are they selling military type meals for?

SPEAKER_02 40:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:47

Are preparing. And if you notice, especially in our communities, they are creating more and more food deserts.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

I noticed that.

SPEAKER_03 40:59

So even if it when it goes down, we won't even be able to go raid the supermarket.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

No, we won't be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 41:08

Because there's no land in our neighborhoods to even raid.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

Yeah. I told people, I always joke around when I say this. I'm like, the way the universe provides for us, we won't even go hungry. I know where to go. It's not the best, but you could go to Hudson River, go fish if you have to, if it gets that rough.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

There are pigeons in there.

SPEAKER_03 41:27

Weapons, hunting materials, yeah. I I have a book, uh, how to forage in the forest. Some some plants you can eat in the forest. Well, if you eat the wrong one, it'll kill you. But what are they preparing for? The only culture on earth that speaks of a day of judgment or a doomsday are Western cultures. And what I mean by Western cultures, I mean Caucasian cultures. No other culture speaks of a day of reckoning or a doomsday or a judgment day.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

That's true.

SPEAKER_03 42:12

Ask any Christian about a judgment day. He'll tell you all about judgment day is coming. Ask any Muslim about a judgment day. He'll tell you, you know, three billion Muslims on the planet, three billion Christians on the planet. They will tell you about a judgment day.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

Somebody said the waters will also be um contaminated.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

Oh, it's already contaminated.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

It is, I believe, with all the floor fluoride and stuff like that that's in there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:40

It's already highly contaminated. But you have to have, but to continue answering your question, you want to start beginning to stock up on these supplies. This is what we do prior to, we only have to worry about a motherplay because there are going to be events that take place before the appearance of this weapon that we are going to need to be prepared for. You think those people down in Uvaldi, Texas, you think they would need some uh supplies now that they could have thrown in the back of their car to get out of that area now? 25 inches of rain in two days?

unknown 43:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

How about the how about the people in uh how about the people of Cuba? Oh yeah. Cuba is now is is I think that that island's been dark now. Is it like four or five months now? No less than a month.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Yeah, no, no one speaks about that.

SPEAKER_03 43:28

Yeah, it's been nobody's talking about that. It was done by the Trump administration, but the Bible teaches us as thou hast done, so shall it also be done unto you. You want to cut off the people of, and the people of Cuba are our people. Yeah, they're original people, they're black people, they're people of color, mestizos. So you can cut them off. Okay, as thou hast done, so shall it also be done unto you. The prophet Daniel said to Nebuchadnezzar. Your kingdom has been weighed in the balance and it has been found wanting. This is all directed to our former slave masters and their children. They could, they could still maybe avert this disaster that's about to overtake them. They could still maybe avert it by doing right by us. Stop murdering us in police brutality and extrajudicial killings. Stop firing us for unjust reasons. You don't want to stop treating us worse than any cattle in the field. You want to keep treating us the way, okay. Look, let us go then. Give us some land that we can call our own so that we can go for ourselves. Stop treating us like we're second-class citizens in America. How many more elections do we have to go through before we think we can eliminate this problem?

SPEAKER_01 44:56

Talk about it. Say that again.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

How many more elections do we have to go through to eliminate this problem?

SPEAKER_00 45:01

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 45:03

I'm actually glad for President Donald Trump. He has exposed what is really on their minds. And he has allowed those who have it at the forefront of their minds, they have come out these last 12 uh years or so and come out to the forefront and told you exactly who they are.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

How they feel. And I'm happy in the sense that, you know, I try to stay clear of the politics, but I like when certain things are shown to us to really light that flame under our backsides to unify out here. Because I see there's a lot of um diversion and um division that's planted amongst our people that still continues to perpetuate to this day, which I find very ignorant. I find it very ignorant, like you got certain groups at each other's throats for no reason. We clash over beliefs, different ideologies, but we don't see that we are in dire need to unite up here, unite up in here to get things moving. So whenever this mothership does does decide to appear and do damage, I think it should take a few of our people too, man, that sold us out.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

You know, say it again for people in the back, Mike, sold us out.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

Yeah, because we know we do our own, we do our own hurting too. You know, it's easy to say, you know, the so-called white man done this and that, but we do a lot of our own hurting amongst ourselves as as well. Well, he almost growing tired of that.

SPEAKER_03 46:35

On the smaller things, he almost has us on autopilot. We do a better job on autopilot than he ever did. He really is not very he operates on a very macro basis.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

Self-cleaning oven. That's what I call it, the self-cleaning oven. We basically clean ourselves up. We don't, like you said, it's autopilot. We're doing the work. You know. Um, what what books should should one read if you want to know more about the mothership? Like what books did Elijah Muhammad provide for those who want to learn more about the mothership?

SPEAKER_03 47:06

The best book is Message to the Black Man in America. Okay. There are three chapters. Where did I put one? There are three chapters in Message to the Black Man in America that deal specifically with the mother plane.

SPEAKER_02 47:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:26

Uh it talks about the battle in the sky. The battle in the sky is near. That's this book here, Message to the Black Man in America, by the honorable Elijah Muhammad, where it goes into detail about the mother plane. The other book is a compilation book that is published by Messenger Elijah Muhammad Propagation Society. Trying to where the heck did I put it? I hit it for myself. And that book is called is actually called The Mother Plane. It was this book here, Messenger the Black Man, was published during the time the Honorable Elijah Muhammad was amongst us. The compilation book, uh The Mother Plane, was published by Messenger Elijah Muhammad Propagation Society in the early 90s. And it's a compilation of articles that were written in the Muhammad Speech. These are documented and verifiable, and also from uh excerpts from speeches that the honorable Elijah Muhammad gave, where he's talking specifically about the mother plane. You can get both of these books on Amazon. Also, the Fall of America by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. And there's three chapters in Fall of America. I don't know where I might I might have I remember that book, The Fall of America. Yeah, there's three chapters in the Fall of America that specifically talk about talk about the mother plane specifically.

SPEAKER_01 48:48

Yeah. That book, that book is a good book right there. It gives you like it basically gives you some insight to pay attention to what's going on around you, the environment, keep a pulse on the people. Because I remember during the pandemic, that's what I was doing. I was I read the Lessons of the Black Man in 2009. But when I really had time during the pandemic, I started reading it again. I was like, yo, it's making so much sense what's happening. And this is what this is what was a catalyst for this podcast between Brother Ron Brown and I was that we see how the pandemic affected our communities. As you mentioned, it was a food desert, people can get in supermarkets in time. And we was like, no, we gotta do something to help out the elderly, those that are in need, but we were mostly focused on the elderly and the babies, because we seen what was taking place, and we like, we gotta do something, man, to help the people out. We started feeding families and from there it moves into other things. But yes, that book right there really it really did open my eyes, man, to what was going on. So yes, the writings on the wall, you know, a lot of things have transpired as far as the concept of the mothership. I'm still growing, I'm still learning that to see what's take what's gonna take place, but I do feel like there are other forces out there. And I also look at it from a spiritual perspective as well. That that's what it is, too. You know, I you take it literal and also spiritual, allegorical, like it will show a time where our people will start to wake up, see what's going on, because a lot of us are still asleep, brother, dumb, deaf, and blind.

SPEAKER_03 50:23

And we've been purposefully uh made to be that way to keep us from waking up. Because the moment we wake up and realize who the real problem is, who the real enemy is, we will want to get away from him. That is the only thing, and that is why Pharaoh does not want to let us go. Pharaoh did not want to let the children of Israel go because he was afraid and he knew that Jehovah would attack him if those children of Israel weren't around him. He knew that they were like a quote unquote human shield. That's where they get the concept of the human shield from, saying that Hezbollah and all these other groups in the Middle East do that. No, the Caucasian people in America do that. That's why they don't want us to go. Because if we get out of his way, then he has a clear shot. And that's why a lot of people say, Well, why doesn't the mother's plane do something right now? Right now.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

Yeah, some someone asked that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:19

Well, because we are here. He doesn't want to destroy us, he wants to save us, he wants to destroy the enemy of us. Now, there is going to come a time where you're gonna be given a choice, according to the honorable Elijah Muhammad. Do you want to go with your own, go with your own original people, or do you want to stay here with your former slave master? And those who choose to stay with the former slave master, the former slave master will be given free reign to do whatever he wants today, including putting them back into slavery, according to the honorable Rajamone. See, there's a whole lot of things that have to happen before this mother plane goes into action.

BRICS, Middle East War, Iran History, End Times

SPEAKER_03 52:09

Soon Russia and America will unleash their nuclear weapons at each other.

SPEAKER_01 52:15

Oh, yeah, that's coming soon. I feel it. That is coming pretty soon. I I I I feel it. It's slowly, I say they're about like 75% there. It's getting there.

SPEAKER_03 52:26

They the honorable teaches us that they will turn Europe into a graveyard by their exchange of nuclear weapons. The Holy Kwan talks about these two enemies of each other. They in the Koh Kwan is called the Gog and the Magog. And this is taking place, it's been taking place really since really since World War I. Uh of course, the hot war ended somewhere after Vietnam, and they entered what they call the Cold War. It was cold because America and Russia weren't firing at each other, but they had proxy wars where they were fighting by proxy with each other, using each other's weapons in Vietnam, in Cambodia, uh, in Afghanistan.

SPEAKER_00 53:23

Uh, I read about that third in Cuba.

SPEAKER_01 53:27

Nuclear pro nuclear pro proliferation, something like that, where they just had tons of weapons with the people.

SPEAKER_03 53:36

But it keeps coming closer and closer with these two superpowers, and now China is the third power in the superpower, and China seems to be more aligned with Russia because they put together that BRICS uh BRICS alliance.

SPEAKER_00 53:50

I remember that, yes.

SPEAKER_03 53:52

So what is BRICS?

SPEAKER_01 53:53

That's uh Russia, India, China, India, China, and um I think Soviet no um Britain, Russia, India, China, and uh damn. Well, not the uh I can't think of the B.

SPEAKER_03 54:11

The BRICS.

SPEAKER_01 54:13

Yeah, the BRICS were um it's not Britain. It's not Britain.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Um somebody in the chat should put that in there, but now they have now they now they have an alliance against the NATO alliance. And they and the fight that they're having now is to get off of the petrodollar as the world standard currency. That's why that's why Obama had Qaddafi assassinate because he wanted Africa to unite and get off of the petrodollar and get off the united African currency.

SPEAKER_01 54:48

Qaddafi spoke about that before he before he passed. He said it at a summit.

SPEAKER_03 54:52

He didn't pass, Obama assassinated.

SPEAKER_01 54:55

Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, but you know, before he got taken up out of here, let's put it like that. He he had he spoke about that at that summit. He said they are attacking all the Islamic countries, and believe it or not, they have been. And what the bricks is, I just found it out, is Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. Yeah, Brazil, yep.

SPEAKER_03 55:16

But they they have formed an alliance, an economic alliance, and they're trying they're creating their their desire is to create, and they may have already done it, create a new currency, and that currency is going to be based on 50% of the combined currencies of those countries and 50% gold.

SPEAKER_01 55:35

Yep, natural resources.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

Because America, the currency of America, the petrol dollar, isn't backed by anything. Nope. They can just print more anytime they feel like it.

SPEAKER_00 55:49

Exactly. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

And anybody who threatens that economic uh system, they've got to be dealt with, they've got to be eliminated. Same thing with Saddam. Same thing with Bashir in in Syria. They they they demonize, they demonize these African and Muslim leaders like they're some big boogeyman. You and I, brother, we've been we've been dealing with the worst boogeyman ever for 400 years, but they got the nerve to call other people boogeyman and then murdered and then assassinated.

SPEAKER_01 56:23

Exactly. Somebody's asking to comment peace with brother running.

SPEAKER_03 56:29

In one way or another, to the ultimate uh goal of eliminating the wicked from this planet, and i.e. related to the objective of the mother plane, if you will. But there's a whole lot more that's gonna take place. America is gonna come from this war in the Middle East, they're gonna come home with their tail between their legs.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

I see it slowly happening. They they they they big off more than they can chew. They is are they stuck out there? They they can't back out now.

SPEAKER_03 57:02

They can't they can't back out, they can't move forward, they don't know what to do. One minute they they say that they've signed a treaty, that's meant there is no treaty.

SPEAKER_01 57:11

There's no treaty, the negotiations break off. Yeah, of course. That that leader that you assassinate out in uh in the Iran is um was beloved, and he was a very intelligent man, and that was like that was 40 years of preparation that he was gearing his people up for. He knew this was gonna happen. He knew it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 57:31

And in this current war, if you remember, I don't know if you're old enough to remember, uh, there's a good documentary on CNN by Fareed Sakaria that shows how America and Iran got to this particular point. But do you remember the Iran hostage crisis in 1979?

SPEAKER_01 57:48

That was before my time, but yeah, I read about it. I remember it.

SPEAKER_03 57:51

Well, to sum it up very quickly, during the Iran hostage uh crisis, the installed government at that time was overthrown in a coup by the United States of America, and the Shah of Iran was installed by the United States of America. The Shah was bringing in a more liberal form of liberal democracy to Iran, and the government that was eliminated was one that was leaning more towards Islam. Well, the students who were interested in leaning more towards Islam then overthrew the Shah because of his brutal uh regime, which was undergoing you know assassinations, murders, internments, jail, all types of things like that. And they took over the American embassy and they took hostages of all the American citizens working in the American embassy. The Shah of Iran, excuse me, the Ayatollah at that time, Ayatollah Ruhala Khomeini said to the students, look, let the women hostages go and let the black hostages go.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 59:06

Our fight is not with them. We're civilized people, we don't take women as prisoners of war, and the black man of America has endured enough hardship from the people that he's dealing with, we have no problem with them. That was the Ayatollah Rojava Khomeini, the great grandfather, the one, excuse me, the grandfather of the one they assassinated.

SPEAKER_01 59:32

Okay, I remember Khomeini. Yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_03 59:35

And he's the one who began calling America the great shaitan. You know what the great shaitan means? The white man is the devil.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

Of course, of course. And I know that, I know that part. We have to do a part two.

SPEAKER_03 59:57

I there's there's brother, we're gonna get we're getting so many viewers here in this, you would be shocked.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

No, we have to do because we'll get we have I want to get more into that, understanding the history of because you know, I tend to hear there's some um there'd be some small discrepancies and conflict among Islam, the nation of Islam, perspective of Islam and the Orthodox. I want to see if we could join the two to talk about the differences, but also come to an uh uh a level of understanding with one with one another. Because you saying this, I heard this before, my father speaking about that with Iran. He's like, yo, believe it or not, they don't have a problem with black people.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:36

No, no, sir.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:38

You know, I want to get more into that to talk about that. So we I gotta get you back on here to talk about that.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:44

Any anytime, brother. The honor Muhammad and his messenger, the honorable Elijah Muhammad, has made friendships for us all over the earth. The name Elijah Muhammad and for Rod Muhammad is known all over the earth. We in America just don't take it very seriously. Oh, there are those guys that wear suits and bow ties and sell bean ties. But the the the ruling powers around the earth, and this is even before Farrakhan's time, before Malcolm's time, they know the name Elijah Muhammad.

Japan, Surveillance Limits, Doubt, And Debate

SPEAKER_03 1:01:20

That's why the Japanese press came and interviewed, and that's why it, and I'm not sure when you're gonna close it out, but the Japanese press came and interviewed Elijah Muhammad because they heard they heard the teachings about that ship being built on their island, and they know about it. And one of the reasons uh that one of the things that I've noticed in my research is there's a unique magnetic field profile around Japan and the Japanese islands that makes it very hard for radar or other surveillance uh equipment to view what's going on there. So the conclusion I'm not getting this from the messenger. I'm I'm I'm learning this just in my basic geography. Uh, I said, well, that would make sense why they built it there so that nobody could see what they were building. Now, anybody in the audience who thinks I'm making this up, go Google the magnetic profile of Japan. And you will see that it has a very unique magnetic field that makes it very difficult for surveillance equipment to view what's going on in Japan. I said, Huh. I wonder if that's one of the reasons why Japan was able to sneak up on America uh uh in Hawaii during World War II because they didn't passing their. I mean, hey, now there are some that say America knew that Japan was coming and let them come anyway as a pretext to get involved in the Japanese.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:51

I heard about that. The president knew to go to war.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:55

But we can have an intel, we can have an intelligent conversation about this either way. Uh, I can have an intelligent conversation with you and disprove the existence of the mother play. See, I learned I learned to do, I'm not sure what type of school you went to or if you ever took debate, but in debate, you have to be able to on any particular subject, you have to be able to prove to disprove a point, and you have to be able to prove a point.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:20

Yeah, exactly. You gotta look at from both sides.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:21

So you got to look at it from both sides. Yeah, we I constantly do that with the message of teaching, and he encouraged us to do that. He said, question it, don't accept it on face value, question it. Everything in existence, examine it, take it apart, dissect them. He said, This is what scientists do. And when you find a flaw in it, and when the scientist finds a flaw in their theory, then they go back and they present a new theory, yeah, amongst their peers.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:50

Peer review.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:51

Just to say, oh, that's stupid, that's crazy. Okay, maybe it is to you, but go ask that man who made the documentary age of disclosure if it's crazy that there's crafts flying around and nobody knows what they are.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:03

Yeah, I believe I've seen that before. I um that documentary wasn't 2020 that when that came out.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

I think that was well, the documentary age of disclosure came out in December 2025.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

There was another one I've seen, I believe. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:20

Where again, the disclosure was that these that there were little green men in these ships.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:26

There's so many of them out there, man. I used to religiously watch those things. Like it was nothing to the point my ears, my head almost fell off. I'm like, oh, there's so much to dissect and even down to books like the William Cooper, Behold the Pale Horse, that information. Yeah, oh, you got that one, right? Yeah, not the revised copy, the original.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

I got the I've got the original, which was Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

That right there. And then you got the other book, um Unseen Hand by Ralph Emerson and all these other things.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:01

This one was published in 1991. And I've had that since about this time.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

Wow. Yeah, man. That's another book right there that goes deep into that, into what takes place with technology.

Recommended Books And Closing Thanks

SPEAKER_01 1:05:12

But brother, I appreciate you, Mr. Minister Kevin Ali, for coming out, man. Appreciate you again for being patient with this, you know, crazy technical stuff, man. It kind of we got the show done, but it it delayed us a bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:25

No problem, brother. I appreciate you and the work you and and brother Ron are doing on NYP talk. Uh definitely have the have the right heart and definitely have the best interest of our people in mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:39

Oh, we do, man, most importantly. It is, man. We gotta, we gotta, we, we gotta, we gotta rise, man. Our people tired of being, you know, viewed as what they want us to be viewed as. I can't say the word on here as n-words. And we're we're beyond that. We're better than that. We're not that you know, we're greater than that. But with that being said, my brother, I appreciate you. We appreciate you for your work. What you're doing out there is very beautiful. I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be seeing your page sometimes. I'll be seeing your workout. I'm like, that brother's getting it in. He's he's dancing doing this. I'm like, look at this man.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:13

Hey, hey, it's not just dancing, brother. Have you ever heard of the capoeira was designed to look like a dance to the slave masters in Brazil, but it was actually training in martial art because it was illegal for the slave to learn self-defense. So that's beautiful. I I only coach my aerobic. That's an aerobic workout. I'm I'm 63, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:33

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