Did the U.S. and Morocco merge into ONE NATION PART 2 - Abdullah Bey & Yisrael Bey

A lot of people treat nationality like a switch you can flip: reject a label, proclaim a new identity, and everything changes overnight. We slow that down and ask a more uncomfortable question: what actually changes in the political and legal world when you make that proclamation, and what stays exactly the same? If you have ever heard that “being called Black is the whole problem,” this conversation challenges that idea and maps out the larger structure of subjugation, including sovereignty, statehood, land, resources, and enforceable protection. 

We also get practical about nationality law. We unpack jus soli (birthright citizenship) and jus sanguinis (citizenship by descent) and explain why countries legislate these rules differently. That leads to a deeper point most debates skip: ancestry and genealogy can be true without creating state-recognized nationality, because legal nationality requires a framework a state can enforce. 

From there, we put claims about the Moorish Science Temple of America and “nationalization” under a microscope, including Act Six and the line about being “part and partial of this said government.” We keep returning to a single test: which nation-state creates the legal bond, and where is the legislative authority coming from? The goal is not to disrespect anyone’s faith or culture, but to make sure our arguments can survive contact with constitutions, courts, and primary sources. 

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Transcript

Welcome And Why It Matters

SPEAKER_00 0:13

What's going on, everybody out there? It's Ron Brown in the building, and we have our brothers on the what is this, the second Wednesday of the month. As usual, the second Wednesday of the month, as usual. Civil letter, Yasra Abdullah Bey in the building to build on some stuff that you brothers and sisters and my the way I see it, I don't know if y'all are ready for this. But really, you know, it really this live should be a hundred people on, 200 people on, you know, uh, because they they're always dropping the intricate details of how the whole trajectory of the Moors, our people, and this whole society's changed over time. So, you know, this is like this is like a real important piece what these brothers bring. Uh, thank you, brothers, for coming out this evening. I really appreciate every all the work you do. Um, and uh let's let's uh let's go straight to it. How you brothers doing this evening?

SPEAKER_02 1:22

All is well, brother. Yeah, I'm doing well, man. Just great. Thank you for the opportunity, man. It's been what uh a year and a half since we've been rocking with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

No, no, uh, a year and a half?

SPEAKER_03 1:36

No, what on the on well? I've known you for I'm talking about on your on this platform.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

It's been that long, yeah, since March of last year. Oh wow, this brother keeping time. Oh, yeah, you know that.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

I've got it.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

You would think you were from the five percent nation, brother.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

Hey, yeah, yeah, March of last year, brother.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

That's wow, that's peace.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

March April, yeah. Uh eight year and a half.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

That's peace. That's peace. And uh, for those who don't know, I met uh

The Big Claim About Nationalization

SPEAKER_00 2:10

brother Abdullah Bey probably maybe 18 years ago, something like that, yeah. Probably that uh Raz and and Taj around that time. Um, but let's go into it the misconceptions of nationalization as held by conscious mo. This is this should have been the title, brother. Damn, this should have been the title, man. Okay, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to repurpose this anyway. Yeah, that yeah, you know what? For marketability, yeah, yeah. This would have been it right here. Uh man, let me uh yeah, all right. So let's go straight to it, brothers. The misconception of NASA nationalization as held by conscious Moors. Right.

SPEAKER_05 3:03

So we're gonna start by presenting these uh Facebook posts. I posted a post, what is your understanding of nationality? And brother Abdullah posted a post, what is your understanding of the Moore's nationalization process? So two different questions. We're gonna address go ahead, bro.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

Yeah, we posted this yesterday on Facebook.

SPEAKER_05 3:26

Yeah, so we're gonna address the comments. And our purpose of doing this is to, you know, to see where the mindset is in the in the conscious community, in the Morish conscious community. Uh whether you're more conscious, uh more, you know, not conscious or whatnot, uh, just what is your what do you what do you know about nationality, basically? All right. So the first comment we have for this question, what is your understanding of nationality? Is Eddie Alexander Banks, I am an indigenous, aboriginal, copper-colored Indian of the Americas, and you will not be classifying me as black or African American or Negro or Nigger.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

I would I know disrespect to that, brother, but I would have uh instead of loved it, I would have laughed. Oh, I don't know who loved it. That wasn't it wasn't me, but no disrespect to that, brother, but yeah, that sounds kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

All this is respectful for teaching purposes, you know, educational purposes, right? Uh then we have Keith Young, Eddie, Alexander Banks. You only have control of how you classify yourself. Oh, wait, wait, wait, hold on. I like that one. You only have control of how you classify yourself, yes. Then we have Jeannie Ali. I could I could go morishly deep, but I'll say this in today's world, it means absolutely nothing. If it did, we wouldn't, we would not still be trying to push its importance and have little to nothing to prove how important it is in a day-to-day life. Then we have Q draw the nation state in which you were born determines your nationality. That's my understanding. So that's all from uh all the comments under my post.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

Let's have a comment under your post. So um we look at the um the first one I am indigenous, aboriginal, copper color, Indian or of America's, and you will not be classifying me as black or African American or nickel or a nigger. So I guess the the the that that is a prevailing understanding with conscious boards if that they're they're being classified as nickel-colored black, and then then they put some paperwork in, and that then they're no longer classified as that, as that that removes the subjugation.

SPEAKER_03 6:07

So that's that's the misconception. Stripping us of our cultural identity is one element of subjugation, it doesn't constitute the

Facebook Answers On Nationality

SPEAKER_03 6:20

entire subjugation. The misconception that conscious moors have is that being classified as black, negro, colored, African American, people of color constitutes the entire subjugation. And if now you know that you're a Moor and you put some declaration of nationality or proclamation of nationality, that subjugation is now removed. That is a misconception. That's and that is one element of the subjugation, it's not then total aspect of the subjugation. So so what are the so we'll we'll come back to look at the element of subjugation. Stripping a people of their cultural identity, that's what that's one element, uh, removing their sovereignty, taking control of their land, natural resources, dismantling their government structure. Those are different, those are elements of subjugation, but we were taught that the only element of subjugation that's us being classified, that is that's that's a misconception.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Now that's just an element. That's just an element of subjugation.

SPEAKER_03 7:43

That's just one element.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

Real quick, I just want to let it be known that uh brother uh Israel, Israel is as that uh I have to cut your mic because the feedback, when uh brother Abdullah speaks, you have some feedback. So then that's how that's you know. So just let me just cut your mic on whenever you're ready to go. See if you can cut yours on now. Yeah. Okay, so you can cut yours on whenever you want. All right, cool.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

Now you can continue Israel, we can go because that this is Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:20

So what about what about this? Uh the nation-state in which you were born determines your nationality. That's my understanding.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

All right. The nation-state in which you were born determines your nationality. That is known throughout the world as birthright citizenship or just solding. So they're using that that that that is the use of nationality in a political sense, not in a social, not in a consequentist sense. So that so they're clear. So that that meaning of that meaning refers to birthright citizenship, the framework. Let's put let's put the framework for that question. It's birthright citizenship or it's just solely. It's not, so it doesn't, it's not the consequences aspect of nationality, then with consequences, descent, ancestry, because that doesn't change. So that we that frame that is in the framework of just solely or birthright citizenship. So that's that person's understanding. So that person's understanding of nationality is limited to just solely or birthright citizenship. The legal legal framework of nationality. And so a nation, nations can, there's 88, there's 80 nations in the world that have birthright citizenships or and or just solely. All nations don't have that. That has to be placed, that has to be legislated. Country has to legislate that into their laws. United States has that. That's the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment is birthright citizenship or just solely.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

So without that, there's no nationality.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Uh uh No, I'm saying without that framework, that's the frame.

SPEAKER_03 10:35

That's the person's framework without all right, no, no, that's but that's without birth, I mean without a country legislating and their laws, right? You have just solely and just sanguineist. Those are international principles of citizenship. A country can adopt either just solely or just sanguine into their in their into their citizenship laws. So what that means, if without just solely or birthright citizenship, a person with a child, a person coming over here, having a child, and that child automatically gains citizenship, that doesn't happen. Then that won't, that that is that won't happen. That that's that's that's what you're talking about, um. That doesn't that won't happen anymore. I mean, a person coming from Mexico, a woman leaving Mexico to the United States, and she's eight, she's eight months pregnant. While here in the United States, she has a child. That child, because of birthright citizenship, or just solely, that child, not the woman, not the mother, that child automatically becomes United States citizen. When if the United States removes that,

Identity Labels Vs Total Subjugation

SPEAKER_03 12:10

then that that act no longer happens.

SPEAKER_04 12:14

It can no longer happen. That law no longer applies. Yes, sir. All right, that's birthright citizenship or just solding.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

Now, the are these things uh uh argued in um court or yeah, it's argued in court.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

Yeah, I you would argue that in court. That absolutely if if that if that is if that if that is challenge, the mother's not the mother doesn't become a citizen, the child does.

SPEAKER_04 12:58

The parents won't become citizens, the child becomes a citizen. It doesn't it doesn't pass to the parent.

SPEAKER_03 13:07

Now they would have, now what they would have uh for what would what would pass to the parent is five years, three or five years uh uh qualification of you know being in this in the country. But automatic citizenship or what's called birthright citizenship or just soldi doesn't automatically pass to the parent. It only goes to the for the child. Under just solity or birthright citizenship laws.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

So let me ask you this. Now I go into the um let's say uh I was born in um hold on, Islam, those are divine rights. The prophet stated that the 13th and 14th amendment was not necessary for our freedom as American citizens. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

I so you're but you're asking about birth by citizenship or just solely in general? Just solely and birth by citizen, just solely and just sanguine are international principles of citizenship. Countries can adopt either just solely or both. They can either adopt both into their legislat into their laws.

SPEAKER_05 14:26

Yeah, it's bigger than just the 14th Amendment.

SPEAKER_03 14:28

It's bigger than just the amount of the amount of the amount of yeah, yeah, yeah. We talk there'cause 18, there's 80 countries right now that have birthright citizenship slash just solely laws.

SPEAKER_04 14:41

Because we've heard talking about the principle of just solely or birthright citizenship.

SPEAKER_03 14:50

So let's so let's so we're gonna we're gonna address that point later when we get to that when we're gonna when we get to that um that chart um of uh Israel, I want Ron to reread that.

SPEAKER_04 15:10

That we can move on.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Right. So uh you you're going into what is your understanding of the Moorish nationalism?

SPEAKER_03 15:22

Yeah, this is my post yesterday, Facebook, and I have about 40 right now. Yeah, those are the amount of comments I have. Yeah, 40, 40, 48 comments.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

Yeah, we're not gonna read all of them. We're not gonna read all of them. No, no.

SPEAKER_05 15:36

So, what is your understanding of the Moorish nationalization process? Uh first we have Harvest Sultri Bay Islam. There is no nationalization process in the Moore Science Temple of America, peace. Uh Michael Wiggins Bay, Harvest Sultry Bay Islam Moore. I disagree with that. The prophet's way is the way of Moore's nationalization. When you follow his divine instructions, it nationalizes you. You uh nothing else is needed. Remember, he said, if I could get you more sedent, you could save yourself. Peace.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

Um so keep in mind that the person does not identify the divine instructions. They just mentioned they just mentioned divine instruction, but don't identify the divine instructions.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Um so we have more well you're talking about the divine instructions in this in the circle seven. For for they what they call quote unquote natural nationalization. Yeah, I'm saying I'm saying quote unquote nationalization. So what he's saying is when you follow his divine instructions, it nationalizes you.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Nothing nationalizes you, all right.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

So the divine instructions he's speaking of are all in this in the uh Quran. Okay, so that's the Holy Quran circle seven.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

All right, and so that's that is what nationalizes you. So we're gonna yeah, we just want to get where people are. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 16:59

We'll get to the trouble that it goes.

unknown 17:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 17:02

I was gonna put that in that framework.

SPEAKER_03 17:04

We always want to get we're asking what their people, what what is what is the what is your understanding of national of the Morse nationalization process? That's what we're asking. So we would get, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

I want to get a feel from the people of their understanding of the Morse nationalization process.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

The brother in the chat right now, and uh in the Facebook chat, he's writing exact. He said, uh proclaiming inside an authorized temple according to act six of the divine by laws and constitution of the mst of a. Now I want to I wanna I want to We're gonna see if he's writing exact now. I don't I don't

Birthright Citizenship In Plain Terms

SPEAKER_00 17:40

I don't agree. I don't agree with him. I don't agree with that. Hold on, hold on. Let's before you disagree, hold on one second. All right. So we're we're talking about Act Six of what the brother's saying, right? So Act Six says, with us, all members must proclaim their nationality, and we are teaching our people their nationality and their divine creed that they may know that they are part and partial of this said government, and know that they are not Negroes, color folks, black people, Ethiopians, because these names were given to slaves by slaveholders in 1779 and lasted until 1865 during the time of slavery. But this is a new era in time of time now, and all and all men now must proclaim their free national name to be recognized by the government in which they live and the nations of the earth. This is the reason why Allah, the great God of the universe, ordained Nobu Joali, the prophet, to redeem his people from their sinful ways. The Moorish Americans are descendants of the ancient Moabites who inhabited the northwestern and southwestern shores of Africa. So this is the act six he's speaking of.

SPEAKER_03 19:36

So when you be you're removed from what? So what nation states, so you say Moorish, Moorish nationality, Moorish nationalization process. So does that what he's saying?

SPEAKER_00 19:49

I don't mean to catch you.

SPEAKER_05 19:58

Would it fall under?

SPEAKER_00 20:00

What would fall under? That would fall under uh hold on, uh just consequences. Read it again. X6 it said it said, with us, all members must proclaim their nationality. We are teaching our people their nationality and divine creed that they may know that they are putting up the motor science temple of America, right? Wait, hold on one second. What the act says says you are part and partial of this said government, and know that they are not Negro, black, Negro colored black folks or Ethiopians. So, in this framework, that would fall under both uh consequentious, which is ancestry, um, and genealogy and genealogy. You don't need a process for that though, right? So that's that's what that's what the brothers are saying. They don't need a process. No, no, for that, for that though.

SPEAKER_05 21:17

But it's a religious, it's a religious uh corporation, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:21

A religious entity. Well, well, we're not talking, we're we're talking about act six. We're talking about what the prophet said, right? But for what organization did he write that for? Well, he wrote that for the Moors. He wrote that for the for the Moors of America. Yeah, that's the bylaws, right?

SPEAKER_03 21:41

I don't think I don't think Rob understood right where that's coming from.

SPEAKER_05 21:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. So I'm trying to so the the organization, we get to any kind of organization, businesses that's gonna fall under socio cultural. It's gonna be under the social side. The social aspect. Dealing with language, dress, hairdress, ceremonies, holidays, rituals, festivals, dance, religion, you know, businesses could go under there as well.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

So I know that's why the brothers are saying that there's no purpose of a national uh nationalization process because you're already born who you are.

SPEAKER_03 22:28

All right, uh Ron, when I say that there's no process because we're that by blood, right? We're but what we're talking about politically speaking. Let me let me give France conquers China. Let's let me give this example. France conquers China. So now they sub like France subjugates China, and what that means, that the Chinese, that the Chinese sovereignty and the Chinese statehood, which recognizes, institutionalizes, and formalizes the Chinese nationality, is dismantled. That's what it means. That China subjugated, they've removed, that China loses their sovereignty. China loses her sovereignty. So now the people, so now, so now France now has what? Control over the the over the inhabitants of the inhabitants as well as the land. So then they come under that they come under the law of secession, under international law secession, the general principles, the general principle of territorial change. So now there's a territorial change, there's a change in sovereignty, and that has an effect on the nationality of the Chinese people, which means that the Chinese, the Chinese statehood and the Chinese sovereignty is dismantled. All right. So there's still Chinese, yes, there's so the consequences that doesn't change. There's still consequentity, but the political framework, the political and legal framework, and all the statehood or sovereignty framework is dismantled. So the protection, the protections lost, the legal bond to China is lost. Yes, they're Chinese. We're talking about the legal, the Jing Yuan link that that Israel had in part one. In part one, the genuine link is lost due to fresh subjugation. This is what they don't understand. So my question is: what you read, Ron, does that restore the genuine link to what? To what state? To what state does that restore what you just read? To what identify the state? First identify the state to which you now what? Linked that process does what? What you just read, it links us to what state?

SPEAKER_00 25:29

The proper state of mind first. No, no, no, no, brother, brother. Let's go. What nation state, why let me let me let me expound on that. So what I'm saying is I understand what you're saying, but I'm saying But then if you understand what I'm saying, why if you buy you first say you understand what I'm saying? So what I'm saying is, what I'm saying, first off, is the state of mind. Before we even talk about that state, we have to know who we are in the first place, right? How do we get this information? How we if it if none of this information is gonna matter if a good majority of us don't know.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

Well, why you say you knew what I was talking about then? You said oh the phone on you said you knew what I was talking about. So when I so you know what I'm talking about, when I say state, I'm let me let me when I say state, nation state, China, France, England, Germany of Moroccans born here in America. No, no, no, no, no. You sorry, I'm asking America, I'm asking to identify the state to which they have a genuine link, the nation state, and the state has to be in full effect.

SPEAKER_04 26:50

Is it China? Is it France?

SPEAKER_03 26:52

Is it Germany? Is it Iran?

SPEAKER_00 26:55

Is it Iraq?

SPEAKER_03 26:56

Is it Burkina Faso? Is it Sabkay?

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Is this if the teachers say we are distinct descendants of Moroccans born in America, then those is that's the state there. No, identify right now, right now, identify and name the state, name the state right now, name the state. No, no, that you didn't name it.

SPEAKER_05 27:17

So we said so we said you didn't name it for more, right? So the same uh noble jelly said what more is consiguinity, right? Consiguinity, ancestry, parentage, descent, genealogy, pedigree, lineage, and then he set up an organization, an institution that's sociocultural, that social cultural aspect of nationality, tying to your language, you know, your dress, your hairdress, your ceremonies, holidays, rituals, festivals, dance, religion, restoring the cultural identity. Yes, did that reach over into the political framework though? Like, does that reach over? Does that touch the political framework? I mean, and is there a constitution mentioning the people of or you know of whatever nation state that's a synagogue?

SPEAKER_03 28:00

Identify the state, name the state that which we have with that process of which that process restores a genuine link.

What People Think The Process Is

SPEAKER_03 28:10

Identify the state, name it.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

China, Russia, 70. Okay, because okay, you'll state provides us on brother, because I'm trying to come to uh uh uh understanding of what you're asking for. Because when you mention Burkina Fasa, you mentioned China as examples, as examples, examples those wouldn't be states, those would be countries. Those are states, they're states. Okay, okay, okay. So if you let me explain, hold on one second, brother. So we can so we can come to some understanding. So if you would say China and Burkina Faso are states, then which they are countries, but in the way in the context you're putting it, those are states, right? So wouldn't Morocco and America be states?

SPEAKER_03 29:01

Hold on, hold on, and in order to come to understanding, no, no, you said to so we could go, you have to go to a document. In order to come to understanding, right, and according to United Nations, you can look it up now, you can look up now. According to the United Nations, China, France, and them are into those member states of the United Nations are international persons. A state is a the definition, the international law definition of state is an international person. China is a state, France, Bekina Faso, they are international persons. Look it up. And in order to come to understanding, you have to look something up.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

So I'm asking you, what's the difference between those states?

SPEAKER_03 30:00

And I'm gonna answer that first, but I want you to be clear. You had to give me the source of law in order to come to an understanding. I want the audience, I want the audience to understand there's no back and forth. To come to an understanding on a subject, you have to give go to a source of law.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

Okay, now I want to be clear on that first. I want the audience to be clear on that first. Well, I'm clear on that. So we'll move on. Hold on. So I just want to I just want to be clear on this. I'm asking you, right? Because we're basing this discourse on act six, right? So, and basically what the uh what with the prophet is saying, we are descendants of Moroccans born in in America. We are not no longer Negro, black, and color, right? So Morocco is a state, America's a state, as as well as Burkino Faso is a state, just like China's a state, according to the way the way you put it, the context that you put it, right? All right. So so what I'm saying is you said, would this attach us to a state, the act six, and according to your definition, it does. So identify the state. That's what I'm asking.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

I did name it right now, name it.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

I said Morocco and America.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

So all right, so you say, all right, so all right, so that process that you just read gives us a genuine link to the United States and to Morocco, to two states. So this due citizenship. So that process that you just read, all right, is a process of due citizenship. It gives us a I'm not saying that it is, I'm saying, you know, what you're saying for the audience. It gives going through that process that you read, gives the conscious Moors a Jingu wine link to two states, Morocco and the United States.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Is that um is that what you mean? So I didn't I didn't say anything about dual citizenship. What I'm saying is on in Act Six, it says, with all members must proclaim their nationality. We are teaching our people their nationality and their divine creed that they may know that they are part and partial of this said government. So we're talking about this said government, and then later in the Act Six, it says the Moorish Americans are the descendants of the ancient Moabites who inhabited northwestern and southwestern shores. But if we're talking about a state, according to Act Six, we're talking about part and partial of America.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

All right, Chink, uh uh, Ron, you didn't say due citizenship. What that is what it means when you said you did not say out of your mouth due citizenship. So yeah, that you're correct. But when you said I asked you to identify the state, you said you said both Morocco and America. So let me finish, Ron, let me finish, Von. I know you didn't say the term due citizenship, but you have to understand what you mean when you what you said. When you say both Morocco and United States, that was reference to citizenship. Those are the elements. Those are the elements, Ron. You didn't say due citizenship, but look with the elements. You said Morocco and United States. I mean, you said America, which they use interchange with America, Morocco and the United States. America and the United States.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Well, well, brother, to answer your question, um the reason why that wouldn't uh denote due citizenship because the prophet in Acts 6 is talking about an earlier history before there was even a due citizenship. Because he says the Moorish Americans are descendants of the ancient, ancient Moabites whom inhabited the northwestern and south.

SPEAKER_03 34:27

Ron, no, wow, when when you said Ron, once again, when I asked you to identify the state, you said both Morocco and America. And the reason why stay there, just stay there, Ron. Just stay there, just stay there. I'm analyzing that statement.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

Okay, and I don't want to spend too much time.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

No, but I but I'm saying, but we for the audience sake, Ron, you're going to something.

SPEAKER_00 34:57

For the audience sake, the reason why I put it into states like that is based on your context or explanation. I don't understand. I'm telling you why I said through citizenship. So that's why that's why I said what I said.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

I'm telling you why I said through citizenship. I'm explaining why I said due citizenship based on your saying when I asked you to identify the state, you said uh Morocco and America. That so that refers to due citizenship because that's two states. I'm telling you why I said due citizenship, based on what you said. No, no, it's no back and forth. I'm just saying, you I can you I can only analyze the the the language in which you bring forth.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

Well, but when you what I'm saying is the reason why I stated it that way is because you were talking about states, right? And then you mentioned Bikina Faso.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

Then you mentioned to identify the state, to identify the state to which to identify the state that process links us to. I asked the question for you to identify the state to which the process links us to.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

I said act six, act six says this with all members, uh all members must proclaim their nationality. We are teaching our people their nationality and their divine creed that they may know that they are part and partial of this said government, and this said government is America, brother.

SPEAKER_03 36:42

All right, so you're not so United States. So that process, that process, that's all that's that's what I'm asking for. Now you gave me what I finally asked for. Yep, that process that you're talking, that that you just read, all right, links the Moors a genuine link, gives a Moors a genuine link to the United States.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:10

So so why so right now, conscious more, so that so that means that means unconscious Moors do not have a genuine link to the United

Act Six And Proclaiming Nationality

SPEAKER_03 37:20

States. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. Based on what you're saying, that conscious more that's that there is no unconscious more by the millions that have a genuine link to the United States. You're saying that that process that you read in is the process that gives conscious Moors or and or unconscious more a genuine link to the United States. Right now they don't, right now they don't have it. This is the process that gives the Moors, conscious or unconscious, a genuine link to the United States.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

Why doesn't it? All right, let's that's that's there.

SPEAKER_03 38:04

We go. So here we go. United States Congress. Let's look at the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. I'm asking I'm answering your question. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. Article 6 of the United States Constitution. Constitution and treaties are the supreme law of the land. So that constitution and bylaws, and what you just read, was not drafted by the United States Congress. Congress is the lawmaking by answering the question. Article one, Article I, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, the United States legislative power shall be vested in Congress, making of Senate and House. It does not read anything about the Moore Science Temple having legislative power. I'm answering your question. So Congress did not legislate into law. Congress did not legislate into law and made the More Science Temple a citizen, a United States citizenship office that was not legislated by Congress.

SPEAKER_00 39:33

So I guess this is why, you know, hypothetically speaking, why the prophets say we are part and partial of the said government.

SPEAKER_03 39:43

No, no, no, but that's not what you asked. That's a different Ron. I said, I asked, that's not, that's different. That's not that's no, that's not that'd be that'd be clear. I want the audience to be clear. I want the audience to be clear that I said that so that process by which you read, all right, makes unconscious more and conscious moors a genuine, give them a genuine link to the United States. Then you ask, well, why doesn't it? You ask, stay there. You ask, why doesn't it?

SPEAKER_04 40:22

I've answered your question why it doesn't. I'm very clear what you said, Ron. That's I'm gonna stay there.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

You ask, you ask why it doesn't. I answered why it doesn't, because the more science temple of America does not have legislative power. The constitution gives with it to Congress, which is the creature of the Constitution, the legislative power or law-making power. Congress did not legislate into law, the more science temple to be a United States citizenship office. I'm answering why it doesn't.

SPEAKER_05 41:17

That would be the last column. The legal framework of nationality involves the legislation and the execution of nationality laws. That's the legal aspect.

SPEAKER_03 41:27

This is good. This is good. I'm loving this. I'm loving this, Ron, that you're bringing these points out because these points need to be analyzed in the proper framework. What is what's been going on, Ron. My my observation for 34 years, 34 years, is that these conscious mores really don't know. They really don't know. All they did, I was one of them. I'm raised my hand. I'm I'm talking about myself. These conscious moors, I was talking about myself, we really didn't know. We just parried it. I parried it for I did not know. I parried it for 27 years, and that these conscious mores are doing the same. They're parroting. They really don't know. They can't break down like I can do it. They can't break down the law of it, they can't give you the source of law. They could say Prophet said, or so-and-so said, so-and-so said, so-and-so said. That's all they can come with. And if they read something the prophet read that you just said you're doing, they can't really explain it. They can't even give the source of law what you just read. They can't give a reference to international law, they can't give the reference to United States, to a treaty, a reference to United States statute of law, none of that. They say the prophet said, the prophet said, the prophet said, the prophet said, the prophet said, the prophet said.

SPEAKER_05 42:52

Nobody ever goes into what did the prophet study.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

What did he read? But let me let me ask you, brother. Let me ask you, let me let me ask you, brothers. Let me, I don't mean to cut you, cut you, cut you off, right? Because I'm I'm listening to everything that said, and I have an answer pretty much for this stuff, right? However, uh, I don't want to uh interrupt the the podcast out of respect for y'all. Now, my my thing is this, right? How my question to you is that uh I don't know what what more say, or I don't, I don't know. I you know, I don't know the more that you know, I don't know the more you came across, but I want to know how much of the prophet's teachings do you know? Both of you. That's my question to you, bro. All right, all right, Ryan. Let me say this. The reason why the reason why I asked, the reason why not to put you on the spot, but the reason why put me put me on the spot, bro. Put me on the spot, put me on the spot, put me on the spot, put me on the spot, please.

SPEAKER_05 43:50

Okay, because hold on. Put on the spot.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

Study so my my question to you is this how can you know what the prophet studied if you don't know his teachings? So that's that's it. That that that's what all right I do know his teachings are all in the books. So hold on, hold on, hold on, brother, hold on, brother. That the reason why I'm asking the reason why I'm saying that is please put me on the spot. Please do. The the reason why I'm saying that is because in the beginning, when the divine instructions was mentioned, were mentioned, no one knew what divine instructions were, right? And then when the brothers spoke on act six, which he was writing exact, um, you brothers didn't know act six, so that's why I'm saying, like no, no, no, it's not we didn't know act six was letting you speak, but also, brother, I said those are the bylaws, so I do know if I didn't know anything about that about yeah, we don't know act six, we do know act six.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

That's we do know what's the prostitution.

SPEAKER_05 44:56

That's not if I've never read anything about Noble Drawley. I have the holy career.

SPEAKER_03 45:00

He was asking questions about it, he never said he didn't know. He never no, that's not he didn't say he didn't know, we didn't say we didn't know. We were we were raising questions about it in the framework. Go ahead, Isabel.

SPEAKER_00 45:13

We're going deep, I didn't finish my question. So I didn't finish my question.

SPEAKER_03 45:17

But your but your statements regard is about we don't know though. We that we we never said that we didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 45:22

Okay, I'm not I'm not trying to when I said no no no no that's fine. We could we could we could I'm not trying to finish what we do know that but but hold on. I'm just uh like listen, I I've been studying this almost 20 years and I still don't know a lot, so you know maybe your guys are smarter than me. So, but um what I'm saying is what when I when I mentioned when the divine instructions was mentioned, from what I saw, I didn't hear any response from that, right?

SPEAKER_03 45:51

No, no, no, I'm saying that they did not identify the elements of the divine instruction.

SPEAKER_00 45:58

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 45:59

I didn't say we didn't know, I said that the person did not identify. They just all right. If you're giving a lesson and you just say, Well, the divine instructions will identify the steps or process of the divine instruction. So, what I said, what I pointed that out, that the person who wrote in the comments did not identify the meaning the element by element, the divine instructions. That is what I said.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 46:29

I never said I did not know.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

So my question I just want to be clear, we good, we good. Okay, so my question again is you know, because right now you you're for lack of better term, you're pretty much challenging the temple or the Morris Science Temple's authority to operate as a place where people can proclaim nationality. So what I'm asking you is how much of the prophets' teachings do you know? How how have you have you studied? Have you studied? I have studied it. Have you studied it? Ron, let me answer the question, Ron.

SPEAKER_03 47:12

Let me answer the question. Let me answer the question. Let me can I have the floor? I know a lot of it. I know a lot of it. I know international law. I know political science. I know political philosophy. I know Jewish prudence. I'm analyzing Juali's teachings in the framework of sovereignty, in the framework of statehood, in the framework of international law, in the framework of political science, in the framework of Jewish prudence. I use those principles, I use those fields of study to which to analyze Juali's works. I do know his work, I know more so now than I ever did.

SPEAKER_00 47:58

Okay. So can I ask you another question?

SPEAKER_05 48:02

Can I ask a question, bro? Because I've been trying to ask the same question. I don't get any response, man. I respectfully like this is not disrespecting any any man or any woman, anybody when you ask what is it that you study in order to come to that conclusion. Meaning, where are your findings? What did you read? So I'm a we're applying that also to noble Jew Ali. Anybody, Martin Luther King, anybody. We're not just attacking anyone, we're asking, like, we want more information as well. That's the only way we're gonna be more solid to know exactly what's going on, why it happened. So that's basically the philosophy of it. Why did he say what he said? What made what how let's walk the path of noble draw lead? You see what I'm saying? Like, if we if we're interested that much, we will walk the path of noble draw lead. What did he study? What did he come across to make those claims?

SPEAKER_00 48:59

Um, what did he come across to make those claims?

SPEAKER_05 49:02

Yes, like what what historical documents, what legal documents, what what treat what historical, you know, all of that. What did he actually study?

SPEAKER_03 49:10

What philosophy, what field of study, international law, jurisprudence, political science, polity, right?

SPEAKER_05 49:18

For him to come to for him to establish those uh institutions and to come up with his literature.

SPEAKER_00 49:23

What's the background of that? So the only way that I could find that out is through historical documents to to figure out exactly like for instance, you went to a you went to a school, right, Abdullah Bay, and there's record of you going to that particular school. So do you have records of what the prophet uh studied?

SPEAKER_03 49:46

No, I don't have any. That's what we're looking for, Ron. That's what that's what that is what Israel he's raising. What we're what we're doing with it, Ron, is we're raising questions upon questions upon questions. I what I did for 27 years, I am not going to do, I'm not going to encourage anyone to do what I did for 27 years. I parried it. I don't want them to be Abdullah Bey. Don't be like me. Don't for 27 years be like me now, but don't be like me where I was for 27 years. I didn't question. So we're now questioning. We're stimulating,

Which State Creates The Legal Link

SPEAKER_03 50:30

we're stimulating critical thinking, epistemological reasoning, using the framework, using international law, political science, polity, jurisprudence, the statehood framework, the sovereignty framework, nationality in the statehood framework, nationality in the sovereignty framework, that that that statehood and sovereignty is the is the political, is the political and legal frameworks that recognize, institutionalize, and formalize the nationality of the people and self-govern it. Once again, if China loses her sovereignty, the Chinese nationality framework and the Chinese sovereignty framework and the Chinese statehood framework gets collapsed or dismantled. So therefore, the that which protects, recognizes, institutionalizes, and formalizes the Chinese nationality is what? Loss. That's called loss of Chinese sovereignty.

SPEAKER_00 51:35

Okay, so now you know the European's framework. So I want to ask you.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

No, no, no, you said hold on, you your European framework. Hold on, hold on, man. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Stop, stop there. Hold on, hold on. You said you said European framework.

SPEAKER_00 51:46

Brother Abdullah, you said what you said. Let me let me interrupt.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

But you said I know the European framework. Why do you say it's European framework?

SPEAKER_00 51:55

You just you just mentioned a framework, right? But you said though you said European framework. You said European framework. We're talking about international law and things of that nature. But you said European framework. Okay. Does he just corrected it? He said that you mentioned a framework. All right, good. All right. So so you mentioned a framework, right? So my question is, you know that framework. Okay. My question to you is the prophet has a framework, and the two and two would go together. There's a that's the piece what's the what's the framework, Ron? What's the framework? The framework is the bylaws, the constitution, the holy Quran circle seven, the uh Quran questions from what's the philosophy? Brother, you you you you keep interrupting me. I I allow I'm giving you the common courtesy and respect to not interject when you speak.

SPEAKER_03 52:49

All right, so those are those are the frameworks. You next you're mentioning what you call frameworks. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 52:54

Okay, so the prophet has his framework. The framework is the bylaws and constitution, right? He has the Holy Quran circle seven, and he has the Moorish, the Quran questions for Moorish children, the 101. And then at the end of that uh tool, there are uh uh additional uh uh laws and bylaws. So that's that that's his framework, and then also his structure of his organization, the adept chamber, etc. Right. So what I'm asking is wouldn't it be behoove you to learn that framework as well? Or I'm not I'm not assuming that you don't know the framework, but what what I just mentioned, are you cross-hold on one second? Are you cross-pollinating his framework with the framework that you're mentioning?

SPEAKER_03 53:51

All right, hey, audience. I want y'all to hear me out, audience. Audience, I want you to analyze, find out the philosophy, the principle, and elements of Juali's framework. What what what philosophy is it built on? What are the principles of his what are the philosophy? What is the principle and elements of his framework? I want the audience Islam, Islam, and Islam, Islam. All right, so that's so you said that. So that's what you said. Islam is the philosophy. It's the philosophy.

SPEAKER_04 54:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 54:30

Can you can you elaborate on that? That's the philosophy on which what are the principles? What are the principles of that? Love, true, peace, freedom, and justice. All right, so all right, hear me out, audience. Love, truth. All right, we're gonna so let's that's so let's give you a frame. Let's get let's give it a framework. There's seven and in Greek, in Greek, there's seven types of love. There's no wording, there's no word in Greek, and they use this in the churches, where I say, I love Israel, I love my daughter, I love my mother. You're not saying that in Greek, you're not saying the same word. It's seven different types of love. So this so to use the word love for for for my for my daughter, for my mother, for my for for Israel, for this, that doesn't, so so that's a distortion there. All right. So let's look at let's look at the seven types of love that they use in churches today. Agape love, yes, they do, they refer to that in churches today. All right, then you're looking at truth, truth, love, truth, etymology, etymology is the history, origin, and true meaning of words. Epistemology is a branch in philosophy of how one knows knowledge. So if we go about the audience, so we have truth, epistemology, and and etymology, law, truth, peace, peace. Now we have peace. So what brings about peace? We have the rule of law, the rule of law, the elements of the rule of law is just equal justice for everyone. Then we have accountability, accountability or openness of government. So those, so you have the rule of law and the elements of the rule of law. Then you have now we're looking at peace. We have what? A treaties, treaties, peace treaties would establish peace. You have a constitution, all right. So we're looking at peace now. The what so what are the philosophy and principles and elements that establish peace in society? All right, then we got justice, so we have justice. What are the philosophy, principles, and elements that establish justice in society? So once we begin, we have we can look, we can also use the element of the rule of law and due process, also referring to due process under peace to rule of law and due process under justice, the rule of law and due process. So now that's so the peace to freedom, freedom, postlaminium. Postlaminium means postlaminium means returning a people to their original condition and status. All right, you also have reversion to sovereignty in international law. Reversion to sovereignty is an international legal process of restoring whereby a white whereby a people restore their independence, their statehood, and their and their connections to the family nations. So we're not just saying law, if you ask me, why I start. I'm not just the old Abdullah Bay. This is the old Abdullah Bay for 27 years. Law tooth, peace, freedom of justice, law tooth, peace, freedom of justice, law tooth, peace, and justice. You now see the new Abdullah Bay. I just gave you the new Abdullah Bay.

SPEAKER_05 58:25

It was on the surface, went underground with it. More details.

SPEAKER_03 58:32

I'm showing the difference of teeth, the difference of the difference of Abdullah Bay's. The parenting Abdullah Bay, love, tooth, peace, freedom, and justice. So I do know his, I do know the teachings.

SPEAKER_05 58:46

This is us studying the teachings. So people we're not just repeating the teachings, we're studying the teachings.

SPEAKER_00 58:56

I don't want to, I don't want to go, you know what I mean, like you know, this is oh no, this is good. Hey, why the math of studying as well. This is good though. We need this. I want the audience to see this. Well, brothers, brothers, uh, from from the way that I'm seeing it, I don't know, brothers. Like, I think your your your focus is on and on law and uh uh uh uh you know so what no would you all you have to use law? So so you know, but that's one that's one aspect. The prophet's teaching the prophet's teachings is so broad and profound, that's just one piece, you know. Uh, but you know, that's why the the uh bylaw says the divine constitution, divine, but it's the constitution for what though, the divine constitution for a political nation state or for religious institution. Well, the like what is normal? The religious institution would be connected to the political state, to what they name it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:03

No, no, name the political state, name the political state that it's connected to, yeah. That he identify the political state. I said it already, America, oh United States, United States, all right, nice states, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:14

All right, so that means the institution that he established is within the framework of the United States, the political framework of the United States. That's what I said, part and partial of this government. I said that earlier. So within the political framework of the United States, he used United States laws to establish what he needed to establish. How does that bring someone into another nation? Like, how does that connect one to another nation by establishing a religious institution under another nation's political framework? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

And Drew Ali said in the divine warning, go back to the go back to the state of mind, go back to the state of mind of our divine of our of our forefathers, divine and national principles. That's in the divine warning to the to the nations. Go back to the state of mind of our forefathers, divine and national principles.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:21

You're correct. And uh if if if we if we could, you know, I don't know, but you know what? I learned also from from the the five percent nation, it's hard to it's hard to like, you know, you can't teach men, you know what I mean. You can't, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:35

Like you can't men have their their mind set, and and and and you know, you know that's so so what if so what so me, so so what that's that I I was able to be taught, I was locked in for 27 years. I was on misconception for look at Israel. I'm I hear what you're saying, Ron. Ron, you know how many people we've come in across that was part of misconception that we're now teaching, Ron. I hear your statement, but that statement doesn't hold water.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:06

Like for seven years, you know, they say I heard Moors are not U.S. citizens. So that misconception was in my mind. I'm thinking I'm not a U.S. citizen. But then I start thinking, you know, critical thinking. If we can you if we can use the courts, then that that that right there, that's an element of a U.S. citizen right there. So no matter what we say, all right, we're saying this, what the government is saying to us saying something like that. Right, exactly. That's that's the mistake. Gotcha. So I had a look at it like that. Like critically thinking for real. Like Brother Abdullah and Brother King of Be, they they showed me how to critically analyze this stuff, uh, put in the proper framework, how to actually think and intake certain information. That's why we break it down every time. Absolutely principles, elements.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:00

Y'all all the let's read the first sentence, Ron, the first sentence and the divine warning to the nations. The first sentence. You have it the nations.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:11

Hold on one second.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:12

Yeah, go. I want you to read the first sentence. I'm gonna let you know that I do know the teachings. I can write a whole book. I can write one, I can write a book on that first sentence. You have it, Israel?

Congress, Constitutions, And Authority

SPEAKER_00 1:03:40

That's what I'm looking for. You have Ron has it.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:46

The first sentence. The first sentence.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

The first sentence is down.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:50

I'm gonna show you that I know the teachings. This is what I learned over the past seven years.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:56

But what I'm saying is No, just read it, Ron. Read it, Ron. Read it. Hold on one second, brother. The divine warning is definitely a part of the teachings, but I mentioned like the bulk, like the meat of the no, I want you to read the sentence, Ron. I hear what you're saying, but I'm what I'm telling you is the bulk of the meat and potatoes is what I mentioned.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:15

But Ron, I know the meat and the potatoes, I have to do one thing at a time, though. Okay, Ron. So so I'm trying to have Ron, I got to do one point at a time, right? So I'm asking you to read the first sentence. I want to break it down.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:31

That's what I'm trying to do, brother. This is the citizens of all free national governments, according to their national constitution, are all of one family bearing one free national name.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:49

All right, now they're all they the citizens are all of one family according to their constitution. So, what makes them one family? We we go, let's look at it. You see it. What makes them one family? Their constitution. Now I'm gonna explain it. Here we go. Here on on the on the chart, what you see in front of you, right here. The people, the the political framework of nationality involves the involves divining, defining the national identity of the people, constitution, the political term, the people, the people of Bikino Faso, the people of synagogue. All right, so let me explain what that means. That refers to popular sovereignty. The phrase, the political phrase, the people, refers to popular sovereignty. In the divine war, that first sentence that Ron read, what makes them a one family is their constitution. He said they are all a one family according to their constitution. Now, that's playing. How does that work? Because in their constitution, the constitutional synagogue, they have the police. Phrase the people of synagogue. When you have that phrase, so that that phrase means that they are all one family according to their constitution. What that means is that the people synagogue, the protect the collective sovereignty of the people synagogue, is vested in the Synegalese constitution. That refers to popular sovereignty. They are all one family according to the Seneca Least Constitution, bearing one free national name, Seneca Lee. I can write a whole book on that one sentence.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:43

All right, let me finish reading what's said here.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:46

Yeah, I just wanted that that first sentence, though. Because that first sentence, that Ron, that first sentence is loaded. It's loaded. Ron. People read. That first sentence loaded because the principle. I'm looking at the philosophy of the principles that's embodied in that first sentence.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:04

All right. So, real quick, let's just read the whole thing. So the citizens of all free national governments, according to their national constitution, are all one family bearing one free national name. Those who fail to recognize the free national name of their constitutional government are cla uh uh classed as undesirables and are subject to all inferior names, abuses, and mistreatments that the citizens care to bestow upon them. And it is a sin for any group of people to violate the national constitutional laws of a free national government and cling to the names of the principles that dilute to slavery. So my right, so the citizens of a free national government, according to their national constitution, are all one family. Now their national constitution, meaning where they live, right? So this also's embodied in the constitution. It's hard to keep my thoughts.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:32

But you you asked you asked the question though. And then so that's not the case, though.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:35

Go ahead, go ahead, brother. Go ahead. So so what I was saying is the citizens of a free national government, according to their national constitution, are all one family bearing one free national one free national name. Those who fail to recognize their national name of their constitutional government. So what constitutional government is it talking about here? Hold on, hold on. The constitutional government that that the prophet is speaking of here is the United States of America or America, however you want to word it. People like to say the United States is a different it's a different corporation, blah, blah, blah. I'm not getting into that. I'm getting into the fact that we're talking about the American constitution. This is where the authority to operate as a religious organization, quote unquote, is uh uh uh given to the prophet, his Moors, and uh for them to proclaim their national, their their free national name and their nationality under their uh organization, which is the MST of A.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:43

Ron, that first sentence is a general principle. The first sentence is a general principle. I can I can use 25 or 50 different constitutions to show as examples. That's the principle. He sets the states with the principle. It doesn't have to refer to just one constitution, it's a principle. He says the citizens of all three national governments are all one family according to their constitution. He's not talking about one specific constitution, he's referencing a principle, a philosophy, and principle. He sets this.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:29

But how do you say that when he says we are part and partial of the Ron? I'm talking about the first sentence.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:36

I said in the first sentence, Ron. The first sentence. He's analyzing that first sentence. The first sentence. He sets the stage by the principle. Read it again, read this first sentence again.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:49

Well, I already we're already.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:06

Of how a people become one family, right? Become one family according to their one family, they're one family according to their constitution.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

He says, I'm gonna, I'm gonna digress, and I'm gonna digress on this this point, but what you what you uh would you have me read actually further solidifies act six, brother. The whole the whole part, not only the sentence, this whole paragraph right here further solidifies act six, brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:42

But what what but what are the primary sources that supports that? What are the primary sources that supports what you just read about act six? What are the primary sources that were part and parcel of the United States? We didn't, we, we, we, we, we didn't finish our presentation. So we gotta do this, we gotta finish. We gotta do this uh part three. Part three has to be our piece of this our part three has to be this presentation.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:07

Indeed, indeed, indeed, indeed. I mean, you know, uh, just like you said, this is good.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:13

Yeah, part three is what we are.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:15

We we already ready for part three because it's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:17

So we didn't finish.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:18

Okay, that's so keep it simple. Just think political is protection, the political framework is providing the protection. That's what that's for any nation. That's all that's what it's about. For any nation, the political framework provides that protection.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:36

That's what it's about. If it if it is about then what's what else can it be about?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:40

That's where your military comes in and all that, yes, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:43

So I think I think we're both we're both kind of like going like this is that I'm trying to learn from you, and I'm and and and I'm trying to give you, you know, what I know is the prophet's teachings, and you know, I think that you're just here to just do your presentation.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:02

No, and that's and you know, that's not what we already said, we already made it clear that we study the prophet's teachings.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:09

But really, I I I you know what, you know, uh you know what? I'm not gonna judge you. So I'm I'm gonna let I'm gonna I'm gonna because I I study the prophet's teachings like every night, basically. So I but with that with that with that's with that said, I'm gonna I'm I'll digress.

unknown 1:13:25

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:26

We need to trade, we need to trade our methods of studying. We need let us try your method of study, and then you try our method of studying. We test them out like that because it's a method that you must have to study. If not, you're gonna be all over the place. Says who, if not, one would be all over the place. Can I can I ask you a question? No, no, that's this question. That's this question. Ask this question.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:48

The brother, yes, you're just said something. I know I want to ask you a question before you ask the question. I just want to ask just because your he just said something. All right, go ahead, Israel. He said he said he said that his method of we, you know, his method of study, my method of studying. So, what makes your method of studying uh uh uh uh more superior than mine? No, but can we answer the first question?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:13

You're breaking up a different topic, bro. You're changing it, you're taking turning this to something that is not presented to be.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:18

What was the first question? Maybe maybe you maybe I'm framing, I might be framing the question wrong.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:25

So let me I'm not saying the range of vocabulary whose method is higher than the next. All I said was this is all I said, though, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:34

You gotta give you gotta give them clear to clear it off.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:37

I said, let's trade methods

Study Methods, Epistemology, And Proof

SPEAKER_05 1:14:40

that way. We can experience your method of teaching, you will be able to experience our method of teaching. Study, study, study, studying, study. Your method of studying, our method of studying. That's all I'm saying. I didn't say yours is better, ours is better. You sure didn't. You started putting that twist on her, brother. I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:57

No, I was trying to say, I wasn't putting a twist on it, brother. I never said that, though. It's just what it sounded like was like, you know, I'm saying so we can know where each other is coming from, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:11

I'm gonna give you my eyebrows, you take okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:14

Here's the problem with this this bill right now. The reason why we keep going back and forth is because the the means in which we are you know uh uh conversing, it's it's it's not uh it's not balanced, so the scales aren't balanced here. So it's like if I have a point to make, you know, allow me to finish the point. Now, if and then when you have a point to make, then I'll allow you to finish the point. But if we're talking over each other, we'll never get anywhere because you know, uh, you gotta knowledge my wisdom to bring up bring you know to get an understanding, just like I gotta knowledge your wisdom to get an understanding.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:49

Hey Rock, can you ask the first question again? The first question before Israel made a statement, before Israel may have made a statement. Your question is says who about a method of study. You asked a question, says who about having a method. Israel said we have to have a method of study. You said says who. Let me answer that. Let me answer that question.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:18

I did not say that. Yes, you did say that. Yes, you did. No, yes, you did. No, is why you can rewind it and check it out. No, no, hold on, hold on. What I was saying, uh brother, this is uh yeah. Hold on. If if that's what I said, then maybe I may then I would say I made a mistake. So my apologies on that. So let's say so. What I was trying to say was that uh your method, because I don't know what you said exactly before that, right? But it was alluding to your method of study being more right and exact. So you're you have a right and exact study. So that's that that's hold hold hold on, brother. Hold on, brother, hold on, brother. He cleared it up, Ron. He cleared it up.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:05

Put words in my mouth, but I didn't know you can't get Ronnie too. Like, they can hear what I said, they know what we said, brother. Listening, I never said that. I said, I'm not putting your stuff, your method of study higher than our method of study, vice versa. I'm not doing that. I said, let's experience each other's method of study, let's experience each other's method, but let's experience each other's method of study. That's all I'm saying. Meaning, you should provide us your method, we'll provide you our method, and then we'll get to test it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:36

Okay, so what I'm saying is the before you before you said that, the the reason why I took it the wrong way is the way your tone and your body language and how you presented it. Just like right now, right? I'm I'm calm, cool, collected. I'm not laughing. I'm not, I'm I'm not, I'm not doing any of that. I get that, brother. When one is when one is saying that I said something I didn't say. I'm stoic and I'm trying, I'm trying to trying to finish my point. Matter of fact, brothers, y'all go ahead. Y'all, you know, I I I I'll digress.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:16

All right, let me let me let me answer Ron's question. There is a method, a the method that says who about method of study is known as epistemology. Epistemology is a branch and philosophy of one how on those lines. Look it up. E P I S T E M O L O G Y. Hypotheses, formally a hypothesis that they they they they of the research design. The research design is part of epistemology. The liberal arts is part of epistemology, epistemological study. It's a so how one knows knowledge, it gives you a systematic way of studying, a systematic way of learning that is known as epistemology.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:25

It's not Abdullah Bey, it's epistemology. Okay, and so who came up or formulated that method of study? What's his name? Our our ancestors, that the Europeans wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa, hijacked it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, pardon me, brother. Time out. The epistemology, you said that our ancestors came up with a pistology and the Europeans hijacked it. Yes, I said that. I said that, yes. Now this no no no no now. This this hold on. Can you give me where in our historical or give in in our historical timeline can you find our ancestors studying through a term? That's hammer that the hammerabi.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:18

Hamarabi, hammerabi. All right, hammerabi. I'm gonna give you all right there. There's an article. I mean, you get I'm gonna sources, you know. I do. There's an article called the uh um uh they that they they the history the um the historical the historical jurisprudence of of equity, the historical jurisprudence of equity. Look up the article, y'all. Historical jurisprudence of equity. I feel like I'm gonna post it on my Facebook page. And and at the beginning of the article, he gives the etymology of equity, and he says that this goes as far back as Horimbarabi and even further to Sumerian, to the Egyptian, to the Canaanites. So he so he put so what this then and throughout the throughout the article, the the author shows how the a the how the law of equity from its ancient was watered down by the Greeks, by the Romans, by England and the United States. And so it gives examples of the code of Hammurabi. So from there that that that deal so out of out of equity, equity gave birth to the rule of law, and the rule of law gave birth to due process, but dealing with a systematic way because that's a systematic way of handing down justice and fairness, equity. So epistemology one, how one knows knowledge is a systematic way of thinking. What is the name of the article? Israel Israel?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:06

You said it right, historical nature of equity jurisprudence. The historical nature of equity jurisprudence.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:11

Who's the author? Howard L. Oleg. You have the spelling of the last name. O-L-E-C-K. All right, Oleg. O-L-C-E-C-K. The historical nature of equity jurisprudence. That's one. Then you also have dealing with our our study of nature. You have the universal principles, right? I'm not done. You have the you know universal laws, you have gender, mental end, what is what they call the quote unquote hermenop herman, the laws of hermeneutics or tahuti. Tahuti. So the laws of Tahuti, you have uh gender, mentalism, cause and effect, uh uh uh correspondence, mentalism, uh uh uh vibration, rhythm, rhythm. So these are universal laws of how our ancestors observing observing nature. And we're able to what? These universal laws, the Europeans co-opted it and called it the the her the laws of hermeneutics.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:42

Yeah, yeah, please do. So the ancient history of equity, the oldest code of laws thus far discovered is the celebrated code of Hammurabi, discovered at Susa in Mesopotamia in 1902. The block of black diorite on which the code is inscribed, undoubtedly, was carried off from Babylon by a conquering Elamite king and set up in Susa as a trophy. The entire inscription containing over two 2600 lines of text has been translated. Hammurabi, a king of Babylon, of Babylonia, reigned sometime in the period of 2400 to 2200 BC. So it's dating back that far and further.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:24

And it says if it goes back even further than that, to Sumerian, to Canaanite. Yeah, here it goes.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:30

Yeah, the Christian represents a highly advanced and fairly complex level of civilization. Babylonia actually was an amalgam in the in the hair of in the era of preceding nations which had flourished in the same area for a long period before the as before the ascendancy of Babylon. Sumerian, Akkadian, Chaldean, Babylonian, Hebrew, Assyrian, Median, and Persian cultures all were phases of one long continued civilization. Thus, the code compiled by Hammurabi represents the product of civilized experience, then already covering a period of almost 3,000 years preceding. And it says, while based on the primitive concept of the just just uh Talionis, an eye for an eye, and a two for a tooth, Hammurabi's code evidences the some the summation of various grades of culture. Yeah, there's more to read, but yeah, why would we say to go check that out? It's a good read. Uh informative.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:36

You know, uh you know, before we close, I would

Announcements And Part Three Setup

SPEAKER_00 1:25:40

I would say, you know, uh, I give you my method of study, you give me your method of study, we share, you give me your teachings, and I'll show you the prophet's teachings from my perspective, from my perspective. If we could share that way, you know, then it's equal, then we're done with equality. Well, we he was talking about the method of study.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:02

Yeah, like we can we can find a topic and then apply it all.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:06

Yeah, it don't matter what the topic is, it's just first, it has to be the method first. The met your method of study. You want to give everybody your method of study.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:14

We're not saying whose method is stronger. We want to check methods in the world to see which one is more grounded, more firm.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:23

Not topics, not topics, method of study.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:25

Like if we repeat what someone says, that's not a good method of study, that's just repeating.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:30

That's always asking you not talking about topics, he's just talking about a method, the method of study. Then you apply the method of study to into any topic. So Israel is gonna take your method of study, Ron, and apply it to various topics, various fields.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:48

So, like a detective or something, they're gonna apply the method of who what you just talked to the method of studies, not the topic, it's not topic. They apply that method, now stop. Who what where that's how they get the answers they need.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:00

Yeah, no matter what the topic is, don't matter what field of study it is. You're gonna apply, he's gonna apply your method to whatever any pretended pick of I can't.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:10

I can't say your method is wrong, I don't know what it is. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:20

So you like so we want to clear why you won't be giving Israel any topics, you was giving him your method of study.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:27

But we can uh we can agree to a topic that way, you know, is is is equal. Well, yeah, we could do that, but you gotta first have the method, yeah. The method, yeah. With the method, you put any topic in front of you and apply that method, like the method shouldn't change.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:43

All right, yeah, well, well, brothers, on that note, you know, uh, thank you for coming out this evening. I really appreciate your build. Uh, we went off course a little bit. Um, and no, it's all good though. We can do part three, and and and and maybe maybe expect. From now on, you know, uh uh for me to interject, you know, because please do.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:05

Please do because please do.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:08

Just the only thing I would ask is is if you and this is with all due respect, if you could brothers have a little more discipline. You know what I'm saying? Because if we're having a conversation and I have a point to make, I you have to allow me to land my point in order for you to rebuttal correctly or write and exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:30

Vice versa, brother. Yes, respect. We have to have respect for one another.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:34

No doubt, vice, yeah, yeah, it goes both ways, no doubt.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:38

Indeed. On that note, uh, I think hold on a second. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. See, this is where this is why when when the back and forth happens and people talk over people, things get misconstrued. So that's not what I meant. Uh Yisrael said you have to have a method, a method to study, and Ron said, says who? I asked that because I wanted to know where you get that idea from that you had to have a method of study. So that it was a it it was a it was a qu it was an important question, right? Of course it is. So so if if you have to have a method of study, where did you get that idea of having a method of study from? And I answered the question, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:33

So so we should we we need to have that same concept with anyone and everyone, no matter what position they claim to be, whether they can claim to be a king, a queen, a sultan, a prophet, whatever. We have to have that same concept in order for us to grow.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:48

Oh, for sure. I agree, I agree. On that note, brothers, thank you for coming out this evening. I really appreciate you. Part three, so they can finish the whole presentation. Uh, coming next second Wednesday of each month, and we are out of here. Anything you brothers want to uh let the public know? Just peace and respect. Thank you for your attention tonight.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:13

Peace and respect. Go to my for go to my website, mores and mace.org for my books, mores and maestry.org.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:20

I did forget we have an event coming up, September 26th. Oh, yes, yes. In Lexington, Kentucky.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:30

Lexington, Kentucky. I'll be there, I'll be in the house. It can be in the house. Raheem Alambay will be in the house. Yep, absolutely. You you you all over the place, brother. I'll be in New York on Friday. Oh, really? Yeah, the event, an event up yeah, on Friday.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:47

Uh uh the uh a youth uh youth event on Friday. I don't have the flyer in front of me.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:56

Yes, this is what it's all about. One thing I can say about Abdullah is he is always at in community functions, yeah. Always I've been doing that for years, no doubt. I see him here, I see him there. Like, damn, can't keep up. Man, peace to y'all brothers, man. Peace to everybody in the chat. And we oh, tomorrow is uh this must be a Moorish week, you know. Uh, with the exception of yesterday was a five percent day, but uh tomorrow we have two Moorish bills, conscious Moors, indeed, conscious Moors, they're the whole the whole week is Moorish week, but they're you know, unconscious Moors and conscious Moors.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:39

I I don't want the audience to think that more is a religion, like fall in the category, Christian, Judaism, you know, Islam, more falls in the category of Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Colombian, Senegalese, more falls in that category, and not in the category of black, red, purple, yellow, blue, sky blue. No. So we gotta we gotta put more in the proper category of words, nationalities.

unknown 1:32:09

Indeed.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:10

On that note, thank you for everybody, and thank you for everyone who came out this evening, and we out of it. Peace.