Who are the true possessors of the Moroccan Empire - Mauryell Smith- El

Morocco’s story doesn’t start with a single tribe or a single look, and it definitely doesn’t end with modern stereotypes. We sit down with Moriel L. to trace the real human map behind the Almoravid Empire, starting with why Marrakesh matters so much to the very name “Morocco” and what that implies about power, origin stories, and who gets included when people say “Moorish history.”

We break down the Sanhaja confederation and the tribes most tied to early Almoravid leadership, then zoom out to the wider population mix across Morocco, Western Sahara, Mauritania, and the Sahel. From there, the conversation turns into a hard look at infrastructure and economics: trans-Saharan trade routes, key hubs like Awdaghust, and the gold-salt system linking Morocco to the Ghana Empire. If you care about African history, Islamic history in West Africa, or how Al-Andalus was financed and defended, this thread matters.

Then we push into the parts many people skip: Takrur’s early Islam, the way West African alliances shaped North African politics, and why southern soldiers became essential in northern courts when tribal faction fights threatened stability. We also ask the modern questions out loud, including how identity gets recognized today, what governments may or may not acknowledge, and why organizing often fails when people stay stuck in infighting instead of building credible proposals and community strategy.

If you value well-sourced context over internet myths, subscribe, share this episode, and leave a review to help more listeners find it. What’s one “fact everybody repeats” about Moorish history that you want to see proven or challenged next?

Transcript

Welcome And Guest Setup

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We got super chats. Welcome to another episode of NYP Talk Show. The realist podcast is in this conscious space. As I already said, you know the model already. So do get involved in what we're doing. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to my brother Ron Brown. Peace to the nation of God's earth. Islam to the Moors. Islam Lake to the Nation of Islam and my Orthodox Islamic people. You know what I'm saying? Bendy Shon to the Santeria Eva community. Shout out to the Palo. Aiba Bow to my Haitian Voodoo practitioners. Peace to everybody, basically, man. I'm happy to be here with y'all on this beautiful Thursday evening. And we got a good brother who's very familiar with this channel, who has been coming on here dropping bombs. Always delivering some good information that has you going back to go check. And the brothers are very thorough with what he's done, what he does. Our good brother, Moriel L. Welcome, bro.

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Islam, Islam, man. Gratitude again to you guys. Always a pleasure to be on the podcast with you brothers for sure, for sure. Uh rather than give perfect praise to Allah, honest to the Prophet, Nobu Jualid, Armager, Marcus Mosey Agary, the first Supreme Grand Sheikh Edward Miliel, my Supreme Grand Sheik, Keith Dangers here, uh, peace and love. But I just wanted to, you know, again express my gratitude to you brothers for giving me a platform every time. So thank y'all.

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Now so I love it, and you're welcome, brother. You know, we welcome people to come on here that are gonna be very thorough and profound with the information, you know, that's gonna also present it to the world in a respectful manner. Because you got some people out there that just want to stir up trouble and controversy for the sake of numbers, and we're not about that over here. We're about unity, and it has to make sense for the people. So we appreciate you and many others that came, you know. But thank you for being part of the movement as well, man. So I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

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Thank you.

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Tonight's show, the topic is who are the true processes of the Moroccan Empire? Yes, you know, this is this is this sounds good, man. So let me know when you're ready, brother.

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Yeah, can I uh share this link with you so that way you know I can kind of see your face and you present it and we can have a discussion and whatnot?

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Oh no, no problem, bro. Shoot it over, man. You're ready, you know, you know, you know the lingo.

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It's uh what is it again?

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Mikey Fever at you know in nyp at gmail.com.

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Just NYP at gmail?

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Yeah, Mikey Fevernyp at gmail.com.

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All right, so let's go. Let me present that to you real quick. That's fine. Boom, boom, boom. Y'all people know what it takes to get to to do this right here. It's just we're just not sitting down. You know what I'm saying? So boom. It should be presenting soon. It's loading up. And voila, here we go.

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All right, perfect, perfect. All right. So, my bad, I couldn't put together like a full nice, you know, looking graphic looking presentation. But, you know, being a I got I got I got a three-year-old and a one and a half year old, so you know, I'm rolling with the punches these days. But uh I did, I was able to kind of put a lot of the central information that I'm gonna be discussing today in a document that we can just kind of roll on,

Noble Drew Ali And Morocco’s Origin

SPEAKER_00 5:06

do right. So, first things first, uh again, I want to start with what Nobu Jew Ali said, just so we can uh you know have our base and foundation. So what Nobu Jew Ali says in chapter 47 of the Holy Quran and the Moor Science Temple of America, he states that the Moabites from the land of Moab who received permission from the pharaohs of Egypt to settle and inhabit Northwest Africa, they were the founders and are the true possessors of the present Moroccan Empire. Now, okay, the term Morocco, right? The English term Morocco is anglicization of the Spanish name for the country, Merracus, derived from the name of the city, Marrakesh. During the Amur Dynasty, the city of Marrakesh was established under the name of Tamurikus, derived from the city's ancient Bourbon name of Amuricus, which means land or country of God. Alright, so stop right there. The term Morocco comes from the city of Marrakesh. The city of Marrakesh was the capital of the Almoravid Empire. So that's very important. So that is our convergence point of today. Is that who was involved in the making of the Al-Moravid Empire? Right? Because again, the term Morocco comes from the city of Marrakesh. The city of Marrakesh was the capital of the Almoravid, which is Latin or Al-Murabi tombs, the Arabic term. As we see, uh it says in Egyptian and in Middle Eastern Arabic literature, before the mid-20th century, Morocco is commonly referred to as Marakush. At its zenith, as a regional power in the 11th and 12th centuries under the Almoravid and Almohad dynasties from Marrakesh, these Moors dynasties controlled most of the Iberian Peninsula.

Sanhaja Tribes Behind Almoravids

SPEAKER_00 7:14

So what we see now is a map of the Sanhaja Berber tribes that were the main three that made up the Sanhaja Berber tribes of the Almoravid Empire. First, we want to address. So you see the Masufa, the Lamtuna, and the Gudala. Alright, so if we scroll down a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Sorry about that.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Um can you see it?

SPEAKER_00 7:43

Yeah, yeah, I can see it. So just right under the right under the picture, the first picture.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

Oh, I'm gonna go back.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Under the picture, the first picture.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Yeah, can you see now?

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the Gudala are a Sanhajaburber tribe who have connections, what a lot of researchers say have connections to the Gay Tule, right? And the Gay Thuli were one of those tribes that were a part of the Numidian uh Empire or Kingdom in North in ancient Northwest Africa. The Numidians also um had extensive contact with the city of Carthage. So here's one Berber tribe that we know, right? Now have again at this convergence points of that more of an empire that has some skin in the game when it comes to more ancient North African empires, start with the Gludala. So then if we continue to scroll down, we're gonna get to the Lemtuna and the Masufa.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

Um, next slide or scroll down.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Scroll down, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

I don't think it's now, I think right here. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 9:02

Okay, yeah, okay, cool. So in antiquity, now we're on the Lemtuna. Well, let's finish this at the top. So it says the slopes of the Auri Mountains in general, the Goodala settled in the Sahara since ancient times, and their branches were spread to the south across the right bank of the Senegal River, and it's almost certain that they were present there in the 7th century AD. The Dugala formed part of our Mortevit tribes. Now going to the Lamptuna. It says, in antiquity, the Lamtuna were mentioned among five Numidian tribes that occupied the Taos region, the Tuat region. Ajana, the ancestor of the Lantuna, is said to have settled near the uh Shelef River. An ancient inscription discovered in Sukaris bears the name Lem Lamptonus in the 7th century. The Lemtuna founded the city of Arthagos, which was also their capital. The city of Atar was also considered to be the capital of Lemtuna. One of the members of the Sinhajik Confederation, the Lemtuna, inhabited the areas of the Hadrar and the Tangit, which is uh parts of southern modern-day southern Mauritania. So during the 11th century, the Lamtuna of the God, the Gudala, and the Masufa were united under the Lamtuna leader Abu Abdallah Muhammad ibn Tiffit or Tarsina. After Tarzina's death, his successor, Yahya ibn Ibrahim of the Gudala tribe, married a member of the Ortonic family that governed the Lamtuna. So you see how it's starting to come together. People of the Gudala married into the Lam tuna. And then now the Lamptuna, uh, so after Abdullah Ibn Sin's death in 1059, Almordic leadership was assumed by the chief of the Lamtuna, Abu Bakr ibn Umar, who fought against the rebels in Mauritania in 1060. And then his cousin, Yusuf ibn Tashfin, continued to lead the Almoravids in southern Morocco, and it was under his leadership that most of the Maghreb and Al-Andalus was conquered. So the Lamtuna basically serves as the tribe where you get the first sultan and early leaders of the Al-Moravid Empire. And then we moved to the Masufa. So the Musufah uh they settled near the Shelef River in the central Maghreb. And but at first they were further north in North Africa, but they moved further south due to you know a lot of the Arabs and Muslims coming to North Africa originally in the seventh and eighth centuries.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

All right, that that's that's peace right there. Before you go for it, can I ask one question to can I interject with one question?

SPEAKER_03 11:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

Did the uh did like the um I don't know if it's if it if if this question connects to it, but not, but did the like Arab dynasties or conquests like change the the landscape of that area, like the cult, like the culture identity?

SPEAKER_00 12:03

Definitely. Well, not not in a way of like how it did later on, but mostly it changed the culture as far as like migrations, not necessarily like Arabizing the place where you know these Northwest Africans are like simulated, assimilated into Arabic culture per se. They still kept a lot of their like you know, indigenous roots, indigenous practices, and things like that. A lot of them accepted Islam early on as well, but again, um, I would say at that time period it wasn't more so like an assimilation, but more so it was a lot of people coming in and we're migrating for resources and things like that. But definitely, you know, there was fighting and stuff, of course. But it wasn't like that per se.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

And part of that was like the formation of politics as well. Did it affect the politics?

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Exactly, the politics, the politics, the the again, politics really are a coination of you know, the environment, the geography. So once a place, particularly in in North Africa, starts to be you know gets overcrowded and things like that, you know, you start migration and moving around. So that's kind of why the Masufa uh moved further south during the Arab invasion.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

Got you, got you. Yeah, peace, peace, peace, peace, brother, peace. My good brother in the chat. Yes, uh, hope all is well. Uh Ben, salute my brother. So you may continue guard.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

Yeah, so this first portion, this was brought up because these were the different the main Sanhaja Berber tribes that comprise um that confederation: the Lamp Tuna, the Masufa, and um the Godala, who has connections that's going back to Numidia. Numidia has connections to Carthage. So now as we continue to scroll down, or go to the next page.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Gotcha right now.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Perfect.

Empire At Its Height

SPEAKER_00 14:09

All right, this is very important. This map, what this map right here shows, it shows the more the height, how far the our Mortime Empire extended. If you zoom in, uh you can see right here, as far south, a tar and other gas.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

Let me see if it's possible.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

It's right by the synagogue river.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

Can't really uh zoom in on this, but let's see. Yeah, it sucks. Uh let me see. Uh man, it's layout.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

Let me see.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

Uh let me see if I could give you control of the slides, but as far as zooming in, uh that's not possible.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Maybe I can let me let me share it from my end. Let me see. Real quick. So that way. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

Trying to see if I can, you know, enlarge it a bit for you.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

Can you see uh can you see my screen?

SPEAKER_02 15:22

Yeah, hold on, I just want to add yours. Give me a second. Got you right here.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

All right, perfect. So everybody see see the screen. So this is the mortival empire at its height. Again, the capital is Marrakesh. So from Marrakesh, right? All of this is all of the Iberia Peninsula where we're ruling from Marrakesh. Lisbon, Zaragoza, Valencia, Guadajoz, Cordova, Seville, Granada, Almeria, the Balaric Island. All right, all of that is being ruled from Marrakesh. Then further south, you got Sidromassa, Agmet, Terdent, Atar, Ardagos, and then from Artagas, this is how close Artagas is to Kumbisale, the capital of Ghana.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Okay.

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All right.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

So right now we're talking about the expansion of right now. We're talking about the the territory of the Moorish Empire within these African countries.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Of the Amorivid Empire. This is this is the the largest extent of the Mortavid Empire.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

So what we're gonna discuss today is all of the people that make up this territory and their role in the Moorish Empire or the Almoravid Empire.

Who Lived Across The Territory

SPEAKER_02 16:58

This is to be clear for the sake for the listeners and viewers, can you define who were the inhabitants of that land? Because some people get a misconception when they hear Moorish, they assume that it's just like one color, maybe you know, on pale-skinned beige, and not assume that there was people of darker hue as well occupying that space, but who are the original inhabitants of that landmass?

SPEAKER_00 17:22

So the original inhabitants of this space, right, is a mixture of Berber people or Amazig people, Amazig people of Lamptoona, Udala, or um Masufa, and then you also have the other Berber tribes like the Zanada and the Masmuda that you know uh occupied this area, inhabited this area, which can now be considered modern-day um countries within that area right there. So, yeah, so this is this is as far west as Algeria. This is Morocco, Western Sahara, and Mauritania, and parts of Mali that this this whole piece of landmass is covering right above the Senegal River.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Gotcha. All right, good.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

That's the northern half. The southern part, right? The southern part of this half are people of Senhaja, people from Takor. So in the P and we're gonna talk about this. The people of Takor make up Sonic people, Fula Fula or Fulani people, Serrat people, and even like connections to people who are Wolof, right? Because this is the Senegal River area, and then ancient Ghana, that's the that's your Sonic and other Manday speaking peoples.

SPEAKER_03 18:43

Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

So the point that we're gonna bring home today is it is all of these peoples that make up the Moorish Empire. The reason why ancient Ghana is so important is because the Almoravit Denar, the coins, again, this was the economic engine of the Almoravit or the Moorish Empire of the 11th century. So that's the economic engine, and then Takro, this was where the military engine was coming from. What we're gonna talk about as we go through these slides is how uh a big number of soldiers again came from further south, and in fact, understanding this is that majority, all of those tribes, the Lemtuna, we scroll back up, the Goodala, the Lemtuna, they are all coming further south, up north, to claim the north. They're coming from the Senegal River region and then taking control of parts of Morocco in the north. So that's that's that's that's what's kind of like significant of again the formation of the Almoravid Empire is that it's mostly of Berber and tribes from the Sahel in the south that takes over the coastal kingdoms of the north and eventually rules Spain.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Definitely, all right.

Awdaghust And The Gold Salt Engine

SPEAKER_00 20:17

So we're gonna this again, we're gonna get into this south wing right here. So the south wing was the capital or main hub of the south wing was Azagai, and it was an essential stop on the trans-Saharan trade route between Morocco and Ghana. And whoever wants to go to the countries of Sila, Takor, Ghana, and the land of Sudan cannot avoid this town. Uh Al-Adrisi says this. And he also notes that the Sonink called it Hukadan. The earliest mention of Adu Gas is by Al-Ya Kubi in this Kitab al-Bodan, completed in 889 to 890, in which he described the town as being controlled by a tribe of Sanhaja and situated 50 stages south of Sujamasa across the Sahara Desert. It is the residence of their king who was no religion or law, and he raised the land of the Sudan who many who have many kingdoms. In 962, the city conquered Agan with an army of 100,000 camel cavalry. Over 20 kings of the Sudan paid August tribute. This is important again. Artagos was a Sanhaja hub that had intimate interactions with the land of Ghana. So as it says, from Ibn Haqqo around 977, we learned that the distance from Autogaz to Ghana was 10 days' journey for a lightly loaded caravan. And he wrote that the king of August maintains relations with the ruler of Ghana, which suggests that at that time Autogas was not part of the Ghana Empire. He also mentions that trade and gold. And writes that the king of Ghana is very rich because of his stocks of gold, and that the kings of Ghana and Cuba stand in present need of goodwill of the king of Ottagos because of the salt which comes to them from the lands of Islam. Right? So the gold salt trade is infamous in transparent trade. Gold and salt were tied into one Moroccan salt, Ghanaian gold.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

And the minerals, yeah. The trade, basically, the trade, the trade of resources.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

Yeah, the trade makes both kingdoms and empires. So it says at some point. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

No, I'll say that's dope because within the continent, they did there was no need to really navigate outside only to go out in the world and civilize and expand. But and when it comes to trading, everything was like in-house, what they call the GDP. It was just all in-house.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

Exactly. So, like the interior Africa was like where where it was cracking at, it was where all the money was flowing and everything. This this was the engine again that fueled the Moorsh empires and kingdoms that was in Spain. So now this gold from Ghana and all of that is circulating through Spain, and now the Europeans are getting their hands on this gold. So this is like the early of like you know, this set it sets the seeds of them wanting to take control over the gold that's coming from there because of how much it's flowing during the times when we're ruling in Europe from this place in Africa. Over the gold that's coming from so it says at some point in the 10th or early 11th century, the town became part of Ghana Empire. So then Autogas, at first, from Autogas, the Sinhaja was extracting tribute, then around 1054, Autogos becomes part of the Ghana Empire.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

Wow. All right, you teach me something new. I didn't know about that right there.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

This history is real connected, like is you don't get one without the other. And but that's what they was trying to make it seem like that you do. But it's like it's it's very intertwined, very intertwined. So it says, in the year 1054, Abdallah bin Yassin invaded the town of Aragas, a flourishing locality, a large tower containing markets, numerous palms, and henna trees. This town used to be the residence of the king of Sudan, who was called Ghana before the Arabs entered the city of Ghana. This former city was inhabited by Zanata together with Arabs who were always at loggerheads with each other. The Amortivists violated his women and declared everything they took there to the booty of the community. The Amortivists persecuted the people of Autogas only because they recognized the authority of the ruler of Ghana. Right? So then it says Aladrisi, writing Sicily in 1154, suggests that by the middle of the 12th century, Autogoth was then you know in decline after uh the city of Autos came control under the Mortics. So here we have Otagos being a part of the southern wing of the Moroccan Empire, to where at one point in time it belongs to the Amortivits, another point in time it belongs to Ghana, it switches back over to the Mortivates. See what I'm saying? Yeah, so is it as we get back to the thing, it says the inhabitants owned camels from which they derived their livelihood, it may have never recovered from the Almoravid attack, but had also lost control of the salt trade leading from the coast to Ghana to Takrua. By the beginning of the 13th century, the oasis town of Walata to the east have replaced Autos at the southern terminus. So after Almoravus take it over, Autogas basically you know gets worked around so there's no longer a part of like the major hubs of Trans-Saharan caravan routes. So now this is what again we're looking at the geography of these same places. Takorua, right here in Senegal, and this is what ancient Ghana was at, right here in parts of uh Mauritania and Mali, touching the Niger River.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

So this trade again was very interconnected.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

With that trade being interconnected, how did it fall apart, though, man? Like, what led to that demise? It's like something so powerful that had like you know, uh the like the resources, they were rich in both fiat and resources and culture and dynasties. Like, what happened?

SPEAKER_00 27:04

What happened is uh trade went from the interior to the coast with the arrival of the Europeans, all right. So, trade activity, all like you said, these trade, these desert caravan routes where all the gold was circulating. Think about that. These gold, the gold is circulating through these caravan routes in these cities in the interior, enriching the interior. Now, once trade now comes towards the coast, and you no longer need the interior cities for gold and salt and all those things to be traded. Now the coast becomes the economically secure area, which then bankrupts the interior cities with great transfer.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

Oh man, cut them off, man.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

Cut them off, and this is this is why the this is why the transatlantic slave trade like really it did a number economically, socially, and you know, of course, with uh population-wise, yeah, psychologically.

SPEAKER_02 28:10

So basically, to sum it up from what I see from here, the gist of this right here, this is the prefix to what was the end of uh of our people. So not only was slavery was based on race, it was also economic.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

It was economic because again, okay, they they don't even come down, the Portuguese doesn't even come down the west coast of Africa if they weren't looking for the gold that came from the interior of Africa that circulated through the Moors kingdoms in Europe.

SPEAKER_02 28:44

Gotcha. Continue, my brother. I'm just picking up information as you go. I'm just like, wow.

Takrur Islam And South Military Power

SPEAKER_00 28:52

So now we jump into Takura. So it says a number of conflicted theories about the deep paths of the Senegal River where the kingdom of Takura would take root. The formation of the state may have taken place as an influx of Fulani from the east settled in the Senegal Valley. John Donnelly Phage suggests that Takura was formed through the interaction of Berbers from the Sahara and what he calls Negro agricultural peoples who were essentially Sarah. The outsiders may, however, have been Sonic rather than Berber, and the native population may have already spoken Fula. Regardless, the region has been an ethnic melting pot from the earliest traceable periods up to the present, although Fula have come to dominate in more recent centuries. Let's keep going. Says historian Andrew Clark writes that the state may have been founded as early as 100 CE. The founder dynasty was called Dio Ogo. Traditional historians disagree on their origin in their ethnic background, assuming a relationship can be drawn with at all with ethnic labels as understood today. They were blacksmith kings and supposedly introduced ironwork and ore extractions to the region. So again, Takoro, this place right here on the Senegal River by the Atlantic, it's was a melting pot of Sony, Fulani, and Sera people, as well as you have Sanhaja north of the Senegal River as well. So now here's where it gets interesting. So this this melting pot of people, so it says a Sony clan under Mamadou Sumer, originally from Wagadu, conquered Takrua in the 9th or 10th century. So people from Ghana conquered Takrua, establishing the Mana dynasty and gradually melding into the local culture. There may have been Nayakots from Diora, Samoris from Guatemaka, or Jabis. Takrua was first mentioned in Arab sources in the 9th century under the name Zagai bin Zagai. In 1035, King Warjabi introduced Sharia law, becoming the first ruler to officially adopt Islamic Orthodoxy and the Sahih. This is important, is because the kingdom of Takrua accepts Islam before the Amordarists even like formed. So again, this is a West African Muslim kingdom. Usually try to say, like, you know, Islam came from the north, or the people from the north, you know, Islamicize the people from the south. But Takor is an example that southern West African kingdoms accepted Islam on their own and worked with kingdoms further north.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

So they were understanding there was a secular, top tolerable of other religion and acceptance. All right, gotcha. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

During his reign, he launched the holy war against the king of Sila, subjugating them and converting the people to Islam. So again, this is a West African kingdom starting a war on other West Africans. No people from the north, no Arabs invading or none of that. Right?

SPEAKER_02 32:17

A lot of in-house fighting, huh?

SPEAKER_00 32:18

A lot of in-house fighting. But that's the thing which we're gonna talk about a little later on why certain uh sultans of Morocco will surround himself with soldiers from the south versus relying on loyalty from the tribes from the north. Because the tribal warfare always caused, you know, secession problems and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

Appreciate that. That's that's deep right there.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

So it says he died around 1041 and was succeeded by his son Levi ibn Warjabi, who would go on to start an alliance with the newly established Amoravid Empire to counter the power of Ghana. So again, Ghana took over Takrua. Then Warjabi makes Tukru Islam, an Islamic kingdom. Then his son allies himself with the Amoravid Empire to counter the power of Ghana, even though Tukrua was founded, well not founded, but it was just invaded by people from Ghana 100 or 200 years before.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

You see how like the money and the politics and so that's all I see is the it's it's an octopus of many different things. It was money, um, a little bit under on the line of maybe classism, maybe not to the extent, but you know, elitism politics, but yeah. Uh man, it's just so much like so with that being with you putting that out there as far as uh Ghana's history and other parts of West Africa history within the Moorish um, should I say paradigm or Moorish history, right? How can the descendants of today in those land areas or here reclaim like some kind of connection or sovereignty to to that to that um should I say to benefit off that empire, the legacy of that?

SPEAKER_00 34:19

That's the whole purpose of Noble Drew Ali. You know, is that the whole purpose of Noble Drew Ali and connecting us back to this is because if we didn't do actually do a deep dive on history, they people would get away with us not knowing this and our connection to this.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

But do you got to bring it to some kind of world court or something to acknowledge this stuff, like a like a big case study?

SPEAKER_00 34:46

No, I mean, I mean, eventually it it may get into something like that as far as like you know unfolding true recognition of it. But if anybody studies the history, they know this already. But they just don't, you know, that conversation isn't had in the open to us, for us. That's why the prophet said we have to understand this and broadcast it to the four winds for us and by us.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

Got you. So so we know what took place before the transatlantic slave slave um took place. Like there was a lot of infighting and deals went wrong, they had deals of trade and something went wrong, and invasions from other groups coming into the land and recultivating the politics and implementing their use but changing the politics. So after when the slavery, the inception of slavery, when they came into play, how did that, you know, we know it benefited them financially, but politically, how did that like did the slaves contribute to that as well? Like were things certain taxes placed on them?

SPEAKER_00 35:54

So so what happens is different kingdoms start to take up raiding for economic and political reasons.

unknown 36:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:05

Alright. So if let's just say these European, these European uh states are coming down on the coast and they're again denied trade in one place, but then they go set up, but they also got trade set up in another place. So then they were they would work with the people where they have trade set up in one place. For example, let's let's use the movie Woman King. The movie Woman King is about uh the king, the king of Benin going against the Oyo Empire, yeah. Right? So it's it's the kingdom of Benin versus Oyo Empire, both when they fight each other, they take in capitals and they sell them to the to the European, and they're using the European as a way to try to take over each other's land. Eventually the king of the kingdom of Benin becomes victorious, but they do these things for political reasons, political and economic reasons, with the backdrop of the history of issues from certain events prior, yeah, with the African brother.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

And then somehow the European, like there's always a nation that's you know doing trade business with the European and not knowing that they pitting them against one another and from there because they don't see this as like some pan-African thing, yeah. It's just dynasty like I'm this and they that, and we be fighting each other. One last question before you before you before you continue, man. Yeah, the Morocco expansion into the into West Africa make it an African imperial power rather than a North African kingdom.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

I would say I would say both. And the reason why I would say both is it's just like the the history of North and West Africa is so interdependent upon each other that there was West Africans in North Africa and there was North Africans in West Africa prior to the collapse of Songhai, right? It was it was it was it was a flow of north and south trade and integration. So people from the south are just as important to the north as people from the north are in the south when it comes to you know setting up the mosque and the book trade and the textiles and the horses and all of that. The scholarship also came from the south and went up north along with gold and ivory and leather and all of these different things as well. So, again, I would say these North and West Africa and Northwest Africa are brothers, truly, got you, got you, brother.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

Make it any more.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

So that's why we have to know the history to be able to say, uh-uh uh-uh, like like what I'm about to go through right now, right? I know that Levy Ibn War Jabi gave 4,000 cavalrymen to the Almoravids when they went into Spain. You see what I'm saying? Now that we know the history, we can't let people play in our place.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

About if who was where or who was not where.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

And I'm glad that we're stressing that point. I'm just trying to stress for the audience to know that that infighting is what always gets us in trouble.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

What gets us in trouble every time.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

So it's so it's the it's the they always say you have to look back to see where you fell at is to look at your father figures at the base is your father's. You fell short of your father's accomplishments because they made an error. So you gotta learn from him, from his error to know not to repeat that today, but unfortunately that's what's happening. So I'm glad that that's like the one of the focal points within this dialogue right here. Is that the infighting is what got us in trouble.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

The same thing that cause us to fall is the same thing, it's the same reasons why we can't get back up. That's what's going on. We we we just we just dealing with the uh what they say, uh the hard-headed stiff-neckedness of our forefathers. Yep, hard headed, stick neff stick-neckness, neckness.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

And it happens today, it happens very much today. You see it. I don't want to veer off to the topic too much, but it happens a lot today. There's a lot of um, I shall put it, intellectual masturbation online. Yeah, dudes just be doing this and that, just to say, I proved you wrong. Exactly, and nothing like nothing yield, like I don't see no no community being built, it's just a bunch of people just arguing over theology online and what the prophet said, what the prophet did not say. You know, much respect to the prophet, but what are you doing today?

SPEAKER_00 41:20

Right, how are you honoring him with your actions?

SPEAKER_02 41:23

Yeah, exactly. So let's go, God. Let's let's let's let's keep going forward.

SPEAKER_00 41:27

So, like I said, so again, Liban uh Liban Levi ibn Wajabi, who will go on and start an alliance with the newly established Armor Empire to counter the power of Ghana, having fought alongside Yahya ibn Umar al-Amtouni at the Battle of Tafurilla. Levi may have provided more military help and financial aid to the Almoravids, helping conquer up to Morocco and Al Andalus. 4,000 quote-unquote black cavalrymen of possible Tacrodi origin were crucial to the Almoravid victory at 1086 Battle of Sagrahas in our Andalus. Here's another key uh tidbit that's not here. Yusuf Ibn Tashfin, the Sultan of the Almoravid Empire, kept a personal guard of about 2,000 people from Takrua.

unknown 42:26

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 42:28

He kept a personal guard of 2,000 people from Takrua in the Sudan region, because the tribal politics of North Africa between Sanhaza, Zanata, and uh uh Masmuda, or between even within Lamtuna, Buddha, or Masufa, most people are gonna be more loyal to their tribe. So when one a leader is a part of one tribe and they start messing up or they start doing something that you know everybody don't start to agree to, that then allows people to start scheming and scamming and bring loyalty to their side and try to cause the coup and things like that. But what a lot of Moroccan sultans have done, regardless of which Berber tribe is they're from, is import soldiers from the south to be their guard because they don't have no tribal affiliation. And this in this tradition goes into like this 1800s, early, early 1900s as well. So, like this is a long tradition, this is a thousand-year tradition plus in Morocco in Northwest Africa.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

Gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

So it says during this period, Takoro had a dominant position in the regional trade, controlling a series of trading posts and cities, linking the salt mines of Aliel on the coast, on the coast north of the mouth of the synagogue to the inferior interior. Its ruler during this time is praised. For his strength and justice. In the 12th century, Silla, a vassal to Tarkov, went to war against Wagadu. Its decline meant that Takor was able to exert more control over the trade routes, moving gold from Bambuk to the desert side markets. All right. So Bambuk, for example, is coming out of this area. Again, parts of this area as well. Bambook was the gold fields that was near the Senegal River. So let's keep going. And then you have the concept of the Azar language. Azar arose as a lingua franca for trade across the Sahel. It was a mixture between Sonic and Berber, and while he spoken in the soft trading cities of Wadain, Taniji, Chungeti, Tichit, Walata, and Autogoth. So again, these cities in Southern Mauritania they're speaking a lingua franca that's made up of the Sun Haja Berber language or Amazig language and the Sonic language, which is part of the Mende language. So again, they're combining languages to create a lingua franca for the trade. That's how deep this is.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

See how powerful that is right there?

SPEAKER_00 45:14

That's powerful. All right. Moving on to uh Ghana and the Almoravids.

Ghana Debate And Regional Power Plays

SPEAKER_00 45:23

So it says, given the scattered nation of Arabic sources. So there's this big thing about did the Al-Mordavits conquer Ghana or did it not? And for a long time, historians were saying, Yeah, a lot of new uh you know scholarship is coming out that it wasn't necessarily a conquest, like how they may try to describe it, because the archaeological record doesn't point to like mass destruction. All right. So what more than likely happened is political pressure during what they say is political pressure during a changing of rulership. Yeah, our Mortivates were already married into some of the elite of ancient Ghana and basically caused that social political pressure and eventually took took over.

SPEAKER_02 46:20

So that basically weakened the infrastructure, got weakened because constant change. It wasn't stability.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

Exactly. Because Ghana, again, it's not a north-south thing because Ghana is warring with Chakruor that's west of them in West Africa. Morocco and Chakor is aligning to fight against Ghana, but then Morocco and Ghana also got this gold relationship going on. So it's it's a triangle in a sense.

SPEAKER_02 46:50

Yeah, triangulation. I see that. So when you mentioned earlier about the whole um woman king thing, yeah, I believe they had they had their own political um infighting amongst them, but they were also dealing with the Portuguese at the time, right? Right. So to put it in context, not only were they infighting, but each should I say kingdom had were dealing with outside nations as well.

SPEAKER_01 47:19

Right.

SPEAKER_02 47:21

So I believe that those are all those factors that fuel basically the the implosion. Exactly. You got one side dealing with the other, doesn't, and they can't trust one another, and it's like I don't want to say your handlers are beefing with the other handlers. I don't put it in that term, but that's what had basically ended up happening. Definitely everyone had like they forking knives out looking at Africa, and that's that was it. Once the infrastructure fell, that was it. The head fell, and it was a free fall from then.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Every everybody, everybody wanted a piece of the economic engine of trans-Saharan trade. It's the reason why Europe even comes to down the west coast of Africa. They're trying to find the source of where that gold is coming from that's financing the Moorish kingdoms that was in Granada, that was in Seville, that was in Cordoba and Almeria.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

That's deep right there, man. And this is like I got some questions

Modern Identity Recognition And Organizing

SPEAKER_02 48:30

to ask. Like, I'm just because when he came up with this, I was like, damn, we touched on that, but we're gonna I want to ask, like, how much of modern Morocco identity is as as Amazing, Arab, Andalusian, African, Islamic, or a combination today.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

It's all of that because again, Morocco, Morocco can't be a monolith because you have the people, you have the people like the uh uh why is their name Haratine, the Hadatine who are indigenous to the Saharian parts of the Morocco, uh Morocco, and they know this to be a fact, they're indigenous. The Hedating are indigenous to Morocco, and they've been there since time immemorial. So that's just the that part right there. Not only then you have the people a little further south in Mauritania, again, people of Takulora, people of ancient Ghana, ancient Mende speaking peoples coming from the interior that also interacted with the southern people of the Sahara and Morocco. So it's always been an exchange of diverse groups of people.

SPEAKER_02 49:44

Man, do do like does the system in Morocco, does the current government in Morocco know about these things? Do you have an idea? And do they know about like people of African or Moroccan descent have claim to what to what's taking place there now?

SPEAKER_00 50:02

I can't say directly or definitively, yes and no, but I do know that you know they do give honor to the societies like the Nawa, right? They usually try to say, you know, most people from the Nawa are like you know, come specifically from slaves and whatnot. But that's how they try to do it in this stereotypical world that we live in, where race runs everything, they try to lead the allude to the presence of darker skinned people in Morocco strictly to slavery, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:37

But it's not that at all. Do do they look do they look at today's um black Americans today? Do do the Moroccans accept them when they say I claim my Moorish identity and wave that Moroccan flag? Do they actually say you're welcome, brother? Or they just be like, ah, I see what you're trying to do.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

Well, personally, you know, there's always people like on Facebook and stuff that's from Morocco that I've seen interact with Moors and you know, give that credit. You also have the famous uh uh meeting and letter from the 80s to where uh an ambassador to the king of Morocco acknowledges the Moore Science Temple of America community and says that you know, yes, we know about the past, but let's look more towards the future and what we can do towards the future, and we're waiting your proposal is what was said in the 80s. Well, they're waiting for a proposal, they wait on a proposal from us.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

And what proposal why hasn't that proposal been?

SPEAKER_00 51:41

I mean, that's a lot of history that happened in the temple before I was even born, and before I even knew that I was a Moor. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 51:50

Okay, okay, okay. That's a that's a guess, that's a good show topic for next one. Yeah why haven't you guys reached out to Morocco and say we over here are claiming our Moorish identity, and we have historical facts that prove that our people are descendants of these kingdoms that were you know tied with the Moorish Empire, and we here in America are catching hell. Because I keep hearing about the treaty that they have, but I had yet to see it put in you know in action, you know.

SPEAKER_00 52:20

Yeah, two things is it's one again. What's the common theme? In fighting, we're too busy in fighting to organize properly to really make their proposal, and then you also have we also have to understand as well, like again, this history specifically. I feel that the Morse conscious community in general is just now truly maturing into under from moving out of like myth and stories and just blank blanketed statements like the Moors was Kings to like actually now understanding the details of everything. So I feel like everything that happened prior to you know the 2020s was the the temple and the Moors maturing up to this point to now saying, like, all right, we we we're starting to gather and really understand what Noble Juwali left us, in my personal opinion, from what I've seen. Is that like now everything is now you know, people your Jose Pomenta Bass, uh your your Bailey Ears, your your Sharif Base, your Hopkins Bays, your indeed brothers, all of those, all of those good brothers, scholarly brothers, Cosmo Wheel, all of those brothers laid the foundation, right? Connected what connected the bridge from the foundation of the prophet into the present. And now it's gonna be brothers like myself and some other young wars that's gonna really take it to the take the baton and take it to the next level, and really put a lot of this stuff into play for real and like apply our history to modern technology so that we can give the necessary services that our people need so that they can become uplifted.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

You hear that, people? The brother is really is he's willing to do the work, he's looking to do the work intelligently in a smart manner, not out here getting pulled over, arguing with police over a parking ticket and stuff like that. Like, stop it. Oh no, we got five minutes left here before I jump on the next show. But there's a uh question in the comment section. Yeah, uh, I think it's a question or a statement. He said, free white person makes you foreign to these lands.

SPEAKER_00 54:35

Um I don't want to spend too much time answering that, but what I what I what I will say is this is that you know, to his same point of saying like free white person makes you uh foreign into this land. If you look at the cc.gov and look at the codes of um eastern tribes in America, more is one of them. That's what I'll that's why I'll say to that, and we can have another conversation on that another day.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

Yeah, I want to because you know, I always looked at the Moors with respect, you know. Especially like in the early 2000s, I almost got caught up in that whole paperwork nonsense, right?

SPEAKER_03 55:20

Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

I always say, like, yo, if if it was working, showing and proven, prove it. I don't want to hear you gotta keep trying again, you know, you gotta keep going back. If it's if it's if it's in pen, if you can't, if they can't penetrate it, is that impactful? Just use it. You get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 55:43

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 55:44

But I don't want to get into that. I don't got time to be going back and forth to court and talking a bunch of nonsense.

SPEAKER_00 55:48

Um that's not that's not what we on. That's not what the prophet you know proves that he was on. Um, so yeah, but let's you know try to capture these last 12

Legacy From Almoravids To Today

SPEAKER_00 56:00

minutes real quick. I got literally this page, and then we can kind of maybe get into a culmination of everything. So it says, Excuse me, whether the Mordovits conquered Ghana or not, the country certainly did convert to Islam around 1076. This conversion and its accompanying rejection of the earlier more combat Islam may have pushed the Wangora dynasty throughout the region. In 1083, Ghana requested the help of Almordavits, they requested the help of the Almoravids to attack and conquer Tetmaca, Syria, and an undified town known as Insula, and may have reached Gal, helping to spread Sunni orthodoxy there as well. Zafun is applied to have also fallen under Ghana's authority around this time, although without Amortavit's help. Yaqut al-Hamawi, writing in 1220, recounted an event that occurred sometime during the first half of the 12th century. Records records an interaction between our Moravitz and the king of Zafun, a province within the Ghana Empire, or possibly a reference to the king of Ghana himself. The king of Zafun is stronger than the latter and more versed in the art of kingship. The veiled people acknowledge his superiority over him.

unknown 57:14

Right?

SPEAKER_00 57:15

So again, here's some people from our Mordec acknowledging the king of Ghana's superiority over them, obey him and resort to him in all important matters of government. One year this king, on his way to the pilgrimage, came to the Maghreb and paid a visit to the commander of the Muslims, the veiled king of the Maghreb, of the tribe of Lantum. A commander of the Muslims met him on foot, whereas the kingdom of Zophan did not dismount for him. A certain person who saw him in Merakesh on the day, he came there and said that he was tall, of deep black complexion and veil, the white of his eyes were bloodshot as if they were two glowing coals, and the palm of his hands were yellow as if tinted with saffron. He was wearing a Maktu garment developed in a white enveloped in a white cloak. He entered the palace of the commander of the Muslims, mounted while the latter walked in front of him. Al-Adrisibu's account was written in 1154, has the country fully Muslim by that date. He describes an empire as powerful as it's been in the days of Al-Bakri, 75 years earlier. In fact, he describes its capital as the greatest of all towns of Sudan with respect to area, the most populous and with most extensive trade. This capital may not be the same as the city one described by Al-Bakli. However, more places during this time are mentioned as being under Ghana's authority, such as the land of Wangada, Taraka, Madaspa, a Berber region town in the region of Sagmuda, a Berber nomadic area near Tapmeca, Samakanda, Gaba, and Yada. Ghana was the master of an extensive trade in the Senegal River Valley, first established by the Takoro in the 10th century, that exported salt from Alil throughout the region. It also controlled the gold mines of Bamboo. During this period, it was fully Islamiszed, and the judicial system has shifted to something more closely resembling Sharia. So the Ghana Empire becomes Muslim, becomes an ally of the Mordovic Empire, supplies it with gold, gets salt from the Almoravid Empire. And now again, this from this convergence point of the Almoravid Empire connecting Takor and Ghana, Islam spreads to the west, uh to the rest of West Africa, which inspires the Mali Empire, the Jolof Empire, Futa Toro, Futajalong, Sokoto, the Hausa city-states, and all of the empires of West Africa in between in northern Ghana and northern Ivory Coast and Northern Guinea and northern Togo and Northern Benin and Northern Nigeria and Southwest Nigeria. So from that vantage point, from the Mortime Empire, you also get the term Maraboot, and the Marbus again are also the holy man of West Africa.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:03

So gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

Our mortival empire goes far back into Numidia, Carthage, and into the future to Mali, Songha, uh, Futa Jalong, Futa Toro, and these Muslims are evidence of being in the Americas, putting it all together. Islam.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:23

Gotcha, my brother. Islam right there. That's a great, that's great information. We gotta do a keep going because we got another show coming up right now. But brother, I want to give honors and praises to you for what you have done. Moriel Smith. Yes, peace and love for what you did. I gotta give you a shout outs for this one right here.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:40

Gratitude.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

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