Moorish Heritage, History, and Culture -Kudjo Adwo El

A label can be a trap, and we break down why. Kujo returns to talk Moorish heritage, Moorish nationality, and the real-world consequences of being misclassified in the United States. We start with the work itself: writing, publishing, and documenting history so people can verify claims instead of repeating rumors. Kujo introduces his research-driven approach through “The Black Amorish Presence,” showing how art, furniture, heraldry, and identity can function like historical fingerprints when official narratives try to blur the record.

From there, we get into the word “Moor” and why it sparks so much confusion. We talk language, origins, and the way modern labels like “Black” get used as brand names rather than true national descriptions. Kujo walks us through how European “Blackamoor” jewelry and decorative motifs were treated as status symbols, and why studying artifacts can reveal influence and memory without defaulting to emotional reactions. That thread leads into the bigger question: what happens to a people when they’re socially engineered to respond with feelings instead of research, law, and history?

The conversation turns to politics and responsibility, including infighting, leadership accountability, and the story of a reported 1986 Morocco-related letter that raises hard questions about closed-door decisions. We also dig into statelessness, why “comfortable” life can hide vulnerability, and why nationality becomes crucial when institutions move on you. Kujo ties it back to Noble Drew Ali’s framework, explaining the civic and religious layers of the Moorish Science Temple of America and how to distinguish original teachings from later legal theories by going back to primary sources.

If you care about identity, self-determination, Moorish history, and the difference between civil rights and human rights, this one will challenge you. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, and leave a review with the biggest question you still have after listening.

Transcript

Welcome Back And Meet Kujo

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Peace, please, please. NYP, we're back. Show number two. Don't forget to comment, like, share, and subscribe. And Super Chat, shout out to the brother Moriel Smith who did his thing. Now we are here with a good brother that hasn't been on here for a minute, man. You know what I'm saying? Who's out here, who's doing music, who's doing everything, and who's always just swinging his uh his sword, or should I say? I forgot. The cemetery, I call it. Always chopping, always chopping away. Our good brother Kujo, Cainland out of what L. What's up, bro?

SPEAKER_03 0:48

What's good? Good, man.

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Happy to have you here. I see the comment section is lit up, man. Everybody here for you, man.

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You know, boys. That's what it's all about. You know what I mean? That's what it's all about. Getting the people amped up to carry on, carry on the great works that got us this far.

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Yeah, man. Everybody's just here to show love, man. So, how you been, brother? Long time no seat, man.

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Everything's peaceful, all is well. There's no complaints. It's summertime right now. We can't have no complaints right now.

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Nah, it's good, man.

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Especially the north people.

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Talk, yeah. For real, man. I know some days it'd be it'd be burning up, but I'm like, you know what? We were going through worse.

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Oh, yeah.

Writing To Preserve Moorish History

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Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

We'll take it. We'll take it. We'll take it. We'll take it.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

We'll take it, man. Definitely, man. So it's been a while, man. We're gonna talk about the Moorish heritage, empire, and culture, right? Yeah, that's great. And I know last time we communicated, you said that you have written two books that touches on on these on these factors. Right, bro?

SPEAKER_03 1:59

Part of it is um um being can you read that? Being being Moorish. Yeah, being being um a national. We were taught, we were taught that you have to produce something. Yeah so that just so that Moors could see that there's there's Mars doing doing stuff, whatever it is, you know what I mean?

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Yeah. Definitely, definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:33

Um so part of that is why uh you uh you have like um um CMB had his booklets, you know. The Moors had the Marsh Guy newspaper, yeah. Um Moore's Order of the Round Table, RV Bay Publications, Khalifa Media. You know, it was it was platforms to get our information out, you know, sort of sort of sort of a foo boo, you know, for us bias.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Yeah, it's my second time I heard that tonight. Yeah, yeah, for us bias, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

Um, so um as as you get info, you you're you're gonna do something with it. You know what I'm saying? So so part of part of one part of it was was this one right here.

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This is the news. And the title of that book.

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The title of this one is The Black Amorish Presence.

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Gotcha, gotcha.

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A study of art, furniture, heraldry, and identity.

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That's a fact. It is major that you put furniture in there because some people will look at small, intricate things like that, like furniture. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_03 3:48

Well, I mean, it goes it goes it goes the same thing with um when you see the the quote unquote black inventors list, yeah, and you realize how much stuff is our stuff.

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I like that, yeah.

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Nearly everything that people use in their everyday life, whatever walk of life they come from, they're they're using something that that quote unquote the black guys created.

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You know, when you say quote unquote black guys, I don't for the sake of anyone that's listening to this show, you know, newcomers and uh the new subscribers and new listeners, what he says black guy, he's referring to our people more, all right? Yeah, so just this for the sake of the listeners, because I already know what you what you mean by that, but the those who don't know may not know, they're like, What do you mean? It's it's black.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

That that's that's why that's why um it was quote unquote. So that's the only way we can use that if we're applying it to our people. Now it sucks to have to say quote unquote all the every time, but the the point is that we're not black. But if you want to go there, fine, but we're gonna quote unquote all night if we're gonna be talking quote unquote black.

What The Word Moor Really Means

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Trust me, I don't brother. So, what does the term more historically mean, man?

SPEAKER_03 5:26

There's what does it entail? There's so many variations of the word more that the meanings are it just goes into every every realm. It goes into um land, because that's more. It goes for as far as beings, and they talk about North Africans and dark-skinned people and whatever. Right? The the there's there's fish. There's fish that are more fish. Really? A whole thing. You know what they did was um Nemo. The Nemo movie, yeah.

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Um I remember that to him.

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Yeah, the fish that was his protector, the black and goldfish, or whatever. Black or more fish. Got you, I got you. So it goes, it goes, it goes everywhere. You know, I mean, we know we know that it means all these things. Our position is that um it applies to people as well, and it didn't come from some Europeans, yeah.

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Cause a lot of people say that they say that that's what the Spaniards would call us more um um moreno and all that. They say it's from there shortly for more or black or more, and different terms we heard that they interchangeably use to describe us. Yes, but you're saying we were we would call that before that came about, right?

SPEAKER_03 7:03

It's ancient, ancient, it's not, it's not um a modern conception.

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Gotcha.

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We say o r u r a u r whatever. If you take out the vowels and you just have mr, right? That goes for that goes for Mars. Because Mars is MR. You take out take off the A. That's still Mars. Right? So the MR is something that that has power, you know. Um and if you go into the letters and the the origin of the letters, whichever spelling that you're gonna you're gonna go to, you'll see that all the the letters have some ancient connection.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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As far as the language, you know, because they're they're gonna say, they're gonna say, um, um, for example, they're gonna say more more's mu-r. And those are the good Moors of the Americas, and the sellouts are the M O O Rs, and those ones are the traders or whatever. Really? They people really go that far with it. Yeah, they go that far. Crazy. But then anybody who studies knows that U is Roman, and it really came from V. There's no U. U doesn't even exist. That's really V. So M V V R doesn't spell more.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

Gotcha, gotcha. What else can we find in that book that you have right there? You touched on furniture. He said, you know, it speaks about the inventions linking to the furniture. And

Reading Artifacts Through Art And Heraldry

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what else do you do you expand on in that book?

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We'll just go to a page. Um, so this is page 57. Page 57. Pair of a gay uh black amore cameo earrings. Gold black amore agate cameo earrings suspended from a gold ball and set into gold chased frame. Each earring is demiheble that is gold, necklaces, and earrings, and one with gold tiara. During the 17th and 18th centuries, black and more art was fashionable in European corpse where it was seen as a status symbol.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Hmm, I got you. So the gold was a status symbol. Can you elaborate on that?

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But having the more on the ornaments.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Okay, okay. I've seen that before, like um, ornaments not only you said jewelry, but also I'm going too far with the crest family crest in Europe, right?

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The family crest and all that.

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Yeah.

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So when we talk about the ornaments, yeah, I see you.

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Wow.

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We were talking about the ornaments and them having more on them, knowing that there's there these are more.

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Yeah, I see it. Wow. Wow.

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Being open with it, and remember, they're gonna be wearing these.

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Yeah, I see the phenotype.

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Is look at it as as if they're doing some disrespectful thing or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

You know what? Who's your I'm glad you said that because that's how we've been conditioned to think, because you know, prime example in the US, they had like derogative cartoons like the Bugs Bunny, you know, they show the people as savages with needles, you know, with bones on their noses and stuff like that. But when you look at it, you'd be like, and you look at the the image you just displayed, it's like I see some similarities with them, how they put them, but I guess because you know, the colonial construct, it's actually your mind to be um viewed as racist.

SPEAKER_03 11:26

Yeah, yeah. But that's really they're really looking at it wrong.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Yeah, okay, I got you. And it's it's funny how it today is still the remnants of that today still exist because you see, sisters are wearing those big door knockers. Yeah, it's like a lot of things like come into play, but if they knew the history behind it, like wow, if they know where that came from, and and it's and what it's really showing is that history really does repeat itself, it's a recycling.

SPEAKER_03 11:52

It's you know, like I was listening to um to um the earlier broadcasts, yeah, and they're talking about the infighting. That's the same stuff going on today, it's not no different, of course.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

It's disgusting, bro.

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It's the same thing, yo. It's the same thing, it's just the re the reasoning behind it is different now. Yeah, the the idea, you know what I mean, is still there, and and like you're saying, we we would we would say um um instead instead of conditioning, we would say socially engineered.

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Yeah, that's the term, yeah.

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They were actually put through the whatever to to to be how they are, thinking how they are, and not being able to put certain things together.

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That's a that's that's that's true indeed, man.

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They're set up, they're set up to be like that, you know.

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That's beautiful right there, bro.

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So somebody pulls up, pulls up, you know, wherever to the to the banquet of the whatever. Wearing this. Remember, we're talking um um, you know, 1600s, 1700s, you know, they're they're they're trying to find themselves. Wow, they know who the the founders of civilization are.

SPEAKER_02 13:19

That's beautiful, right there. It kind of reminds me of the ivory bengal lady that they spoke about. If I'm saying it correctly, correct me if I'm wrong. The sister that that was buried, she was like wrapped in ivory, something like that.

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Yeah, yeah, I never I never heard about that before.

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Yeah, it was one is it it was in um, you know, I give credit when credit's due at the time. Is it it was in one of those hidden colors by Tariq Nasheed.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Amorse, yeah. Well, I forgot the name of it, but yeah. Chat, let me know if I if you can if you know the name, the correct name for that. But yeah, I see what your book is doing, man. It's very a lot of graphics in there, bro.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

Yeah, well, I mean, part of it, part of it was part of it, part of that came from um um the the first joint that we did.

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The name of that book was the first one you did.

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77 Amazing Facts About the Moors. Oh man. And this was in this was in honor of um of JA Rogers.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

You guys send me the link for that so I can put it up on this on your on your broadcast when it's done, man, so people can reach out.

SPEAKER_03 14:25

Um so at the time, um we wanted we wanted something that had had some visuals along with the information, you know? And then that that concept just evolved with all the all the different the different books,

Politics, Infighting, And National Movements

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you know.

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We spoke about the political um the political landscape in the last broadcast with the brother Moriel. How was that can you do it from your perspective, how was the political landscape in um um within the Moorish Empire? As far as for when you say the political landscape as far as where because the empire before the fall, like you know, we swe we heard about the trade, they had trade of salt, gold, and other things amongst them. It was doing a lot of trade, and then the infighting came into play. But what was it beforehand, like before the end fighting?

SPEAKER_03 15:29

I wanted to hear from your perspective, like no, the the infighting didn't the infighting didn't stop stop anything. You know, we're we're still here talking about we're more's so so they did they didn't really stop anything, you know. Um what it what it more did was was destabilize, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

And then and then we're gonna use, we're not even gonna go into um pre pre-Nobu Juwali. Because he's the last example of the empire being being in its in its in its glory, okay. Right before before the fall again. Right, because when when you look at um the convention pitchers and stuff like that, and and nobody going to the pan-american conference and all that, this was a big deal. People might think of it as nothing because they never heard of it, but this was a big deal in the 1920s. Really? The Marsh, the Morish movement and and and affiliate movements. We were talking about this earlier in one of the um lives, you know, with um Garvey and Um Deuce Muhammad Ali. Right? Um, Haile Selassie, even though he's over there, he was still uh on this side, you know, um that all these individuals around the same time were in that same national mindset.

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Gotcha.

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All of them were in that in that that um do for self mentality, self-determination mentality. I like that, and then from from 1930, after they got rid of all those people, now you have all these different elements that popped up claiming to be this is where our people need to be, which which it wasn't. Um invite for the president and all that, it was a big deal, you know.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

Oh wow, you mean telling me Noble Jwali was invited by the president, or he tried to invite right, or was it vice versa?

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Because just like just like the brother was talking about with with um um um the letter from from Morocco, yeah.

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Right?

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That was 86.

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Oh, that proposal that um yeah, that was that was 80s or 90s or something.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

That wasn't that wasn't like 40s or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

I never honestly, honest to God, Cujo him mention that to me today. I never heard of that because again, I'm not uh astute into the Morris science like that, but to hear that today, I was like, I never heard about that one. That's crazy, and nobody step up to the challenge or try to do anything for it, step up to the plate to go forward with that.

SPEAKER_03 18:50

No, well, see, this is the thing that that meeting, that invite came from space a specific body of temples. Remember, that's this is let me get this thing right here. Yeah, 86.

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Right before that fall of right before the crack era kicked in, huh? Around the same time.

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You know, and by this time, if they stuck with Noble Drawy's program from the 20s, it wouldn't it wouldn't even be proposals and all that. You wouldn't even need that

The 1986 Morocco Letter Question

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because we'll be already be on our feet. They wouldn't be needing to to to to send this. This is this this this was like a call to the Moors in the 80s. And it's only because of it's only because of of Moorsh paradigm, um, brother Hakeem Be and the Moors Paradigm. Why we even got the letter. Oh wow. Those sellouts weren't gonna tell anybody that that Morocco knows what's up, and they're it if if anything happened, they would have took it off for themselves.

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I'll give a shout out to Creative Universe who's donated uh five dollar super chat. Appreciate you for that. He said America is north, central, south, and adjoining islands. Reading is fundamental. All right, brother. Thank you. Salute to you and Benjamin Bay said, regardless, I appreciate. Um let me see. I'm trying to get this stuff, it's not coming in clean. All right, I gotta look for that. This brother right here said if you Google Montezuma and Moores King, and the answer is no. But it went further to say that the Spaniards explorers only reference when they saw ancient American artifacts referred to as Moors. Yeah, okay. I agree with you, but you said 86 that letter came. Because that brother said that, that just blew my mind. I'm like, what nobody applied to that, nobody stepped up and said, Okay, let's take care of this, let's do something.

SPEAKER_03 21:01

No, again, it's a you have to remember, it's a closed door thing. This is not some, this is not some all the Moors were at this meeting with the whatever. This was their personal 100-year um centenary celebration for Noble Jew Ali. Right, and this dignitary got got an award, and and he sent he sent a messenger with a message for the Moors, and it was this letter, right? But I was just for them. We don't know if proposals went or whatever, like that. They could have gone, and they could have got their five million, ten million, they could have got you know whatever it is that and nobody would ever know.

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It's crazy, crazy.

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Man, right what does Moorsh America and when and when he talked about um you know what it was before yeah right before the the the infiltration whatever exactly what what we're seeing oh oh yeah so you have just just remove that element of the sellout and and see what our people could be got you i got you yeah of course it's always gonna be like that it's always uh because remember nobody else nobody else has that issue because selling out is treason and and they they punish sellouts right yeah touching children is treason go play games with people uh and and 175 years and and bs like that yeah you know what i'm saying treason is punishable only one way and any touching children stuff and all that is treason of course off the top there there's not even any question about it so if the sellouts able to get awards and and be acknowledged and and put up to the front and all that stuff then how's the world looking at that with regard to us and now our relations with them crazy I have a question for you man with all that being said and where we see our people in this condition that we are in mentally what does Moorish American mean in the 21st century the same the same thing it meant in the 20th because the people are still misclassified today as things that they're not and there's more things now that they're misclassified as than back then so it's more important now than even back then got you because because now they're actually using the brand names to to rape you to rape your finance to mess up your your your family lives they're using the brand names to just go in your account do whatever it is that they want they're using the brand names to to tell you you gotta pay 800 a month to to to some crazy lady who she can't even take care of herself and all that yeah you know what bro I'm done with y'all know oh man I don't know what's going on yeah all because not having a nationality all because being stateless because stateless is in you know depending on the jurisdiction you're in the statelessness is different yeah so in the jurisdiction of U.S. Corporation

Moorish American Identity And Statelessness

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the statelessness is comfortable people are even gonna think that they're stateless because they can go to the store and they go to the movies they can go you know shoot some hoops and then go to their friend's house and have a drink and whatever like that and then you go to India and you see statelessness and it's the Dalits and they live in the sewer yeah and they don't get food their food is is dog scraps because because the people the people the people are gonna feed the dog before they feed these stateless people that's crazy that's crazy man the people are gonna let the rats go in go in the in the temple and nest in the temple and they're gonna let the Dalits sleep outside getting eaten by pythons at night and all type of madness because because they're stateless there's no illegal back all right wow so no what did the rally depending on where you are the sorry uh sorry about that depending on where you are the statelessness you might not know right which is why the the importance of knowing the truth about nationality so at least you can go to that if you need some type of defense of course in these times that that you know they're just running up on people oh you're you're Mexican I'm gonna get no no no no no none of that none of that here's my papers here's my ID or or two pieces of ID because you can't tell me nothing if I give you two pieces of ID doesn't matter where it came from and that's their law right to right to self-identify because because we're indigenous people I got what you're saying with that but you know it's hard like you know I'm gonna say hard how should I put it within this land right and I always say that you could pull those IDs out show them that some of them would not even acknowledge that or honor it'd be like well it's not government official it's not government issued whatsoever yeah that's expected yeah that's not that's not you know um they're they're pulling something they have their policy that they're gonna enforce they're standing on theirs with guns badges jails judges crooked attorneys whatever that's what that's how they're standing on backing on their stuff right they have backing all all all we got is Allah and knowledge yourself but not in the standard I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with Allah and knowledge yourself to defeat any any handcuffs and whatever they got out here.

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Okay got

Noble Drew Ali On Civics And Faith

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you somebody say study law that's what I wanted to touch on right here and say what did noble Jwali teach about citizenship because I I I hear from different perspectives from different mores some will say the civic route some say the religious route but I want to know the concrete was noble drawly teaching the civics and religion well and let's let's just go to his let's just go to him this is um this is from noble drawley's um right writing or he's talking he's letting the Moors know what what this is about letting the Moors know the perspective of how they should be looking at this we organized as the Morris Temple of Science in the year nineteen twenty five and were legally incorporated as a civic organization under the laws of the state of Illinois November 29th 1926 the name Morris Temple of Science changed to Morris Science Temple of America in accord with the legal requirements for the Secretary of the state of Illinois and then you go to the 101 questionnaire and then on the back it's gonna tell you see hers reverse revised statute and you see hers revised statute and then you see that nobody what nobuali set up was a body politic for Moors to govern themselves.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

So part of the governing yourself is you have a right to a religion which he brought us that right Islamism you said that the Moors Temple of science was a civic organization so that's dealing that's dealing with citizenship and all that right there got you and then you have the more science temple which if that doesn't work the the last stand at least you have is that religious corporation stand of Moore Science Temple and then you could stand on your religion through that institution. Gotcha I like that I like that right so you set up all these different all these different levels with with individuals getting into this Moorish consciousness in different degrees so if if they're coming in on some mundane from the church from the from the the synagogue from the whatever then there's the religious side for them for the ones who are more more adept then then there's the law perspective this is why going through his literature talk about constitution and citizen all the time that's because that's a constitutional mindset to talk like that to be talking from to be talking from a nation perspective is is to make sure that the people know the direction so he's talking constitutional all the time knowing the ramifications inside yeah but then the things that people are connecting to him are religious what wow them not them not knowing that that it's it's it's one it's divine and national at the same time but if you're only if you're only religious then all right then the divine's there for you all right hold on brother yeah greatest source thank you again for the super chat appreciate you islam to you see a lot of more showing you love who Joe they they happy see you up here talking man they hear talking they hear talking I like that man that's what's um before how can somebody distinguish noble drew Ali original teachings from these legal theories because I see what you said from um what's said in the in the more a holy morish Quran if I'm saying it correctly yeah holy Quran either either circle seven circle seven right but you know he's saying go about this way but people come about later on the line come implementing their own rules and say that's what he said and then when they challenge they can't prove it they just take the word like he said to do this and do that. Like how can one distinguish what's real and what's not the best way is is to is his stuff forget what people said. Yeah so his literature is the Quran yeah um the articles that are in the booklet that they call Marsh literature right so they have this booklet called Marshall literature that has you know articles from the Marsh guide articles from different newspapers and and writings of Noble Juwali um and the 101 questionnaire which which is also directly from Noble Juwali right and then we have the the um oral statements which is you know individuals who were around the prophet heard him say things and and it was documented you know that that he said you know whatever he said that's what that's what these ones are about got true that's what these ones are about um watch my prophecies one and watch my prophecies two because people were taking noble jewali's prophecies as if it's a joke because you know well somebody said that he said this so how do you know that this is really and and you know trying to play games but if somebody said he said that and then the thing that he said happened wouldn't that mean that the prophecy manifested exact you're right bro and then if it happened then shouldn't we consider what he's saying if it happened on multiple occasions because there's like 200 of these of these um prophecies got you oh man how did uS citizenship law in the 1920s affect the Morris Stein's followers there was no US laws in the 20s there were there was United States of America Republic laws but there wasn't U.S. dot laws because there was no u dots back then United States being mentioned in the 20s wasn't the government with the Washington DC and and all that that's not what United States was United States was a generic term well somebody said it would have been glorious if we had actual footage of our prophet yeah I always question that yo is yeah if you go um the amexum almanac on youtube just just got um um a video a clip of a video of Kirkman Bay Noble Dwali and some other more at the Pan American conference like a a a a motion like a motion yeah yeah oh oh that's that's dope that's dope man um I was asking my window myself like I have yet to hear any recordings of that guy audio the it's it's out there though somebody has that they're just holding that they're just holding somebody has that though it's out there I got you so my mind is still running around in 1986 things forgive me man I'm still thinking we could stay there it's all good yeah because I'm like you know the question I want to ask about that is what responsibility do Moorish hit historians have when discussing legal and historical claims you know we always make the statement that the history and the law go together history and the law are relative they are right so once once you're you're dealing with a scholar that's why we always tell Moors to um use the PhDs right because the that that credential that credential makes the stuff that they're saying more credible gotcha so we so we use Jose Pimenta Bay we use Dr. Ben because because they were specific in their um expressing about the Moorish aspect of the history that nobody really pays attention to

Great Migration, Human Rights, And Unity

SPEAKER_03 37:10

got you got you got you going to terms of culture man uh let's see how did the great migration influence the growth of the more science when you're looking at when you're looking at going going to again um that 1920s era and you go to all the all the hot pockets all the hot areas where our people domicile there was activity of unity go Chicago you had the Marsh movement and all that you went to um New York you had the Harlem Renaissance and all that you went down south you had Black Wall Street and all that yeah there was there was um um the ability for our people to go to different places and set up set up something for ourselves that's true that's true without without talking to some Europeans to get something from them and all that stuff where where'd all these people get this wealth from that they were able to build Black Wall Street and all this obviously these people weren't slaves obviously they didn't come from some descendants of slavery or whatever like that if they're gonna build a town that's true it's true it's all because I'm gonna ask this question I'm gonna tie it all together because remember with with when we talk about that era we're also talking about the migration was because modern europeans were chasing them yes they were it wasn't it wasn't you know they just felt like going somewhere and and everywhere they went they set up shop and they chased them again and set up shop but what happens when they chase them now these people could take over when they really should have stood their ground and defended their stuff where you going no you're right you're right you're right right uh I have uh wow somebody in the comment section just put uh said uh grabbed his grabbed his book the Gzuman of a nation yeah another another in pleasant bay another one's sake yeah nation is another great one got you I got you so it's crazy so integration so later on that that migration caused us to run we went and built up communities like the black wall streets and all that Tulsa and then later on we were at that time called negroes at the time right colored negroes right yeah and then noble drew Ali and this and this removing those names so that the abuses could stop because once we have to defend ourselves from from abuses now we can put our energy toward building up our nation instead of defending ourselves all the time yes how are you gonna build up your nation when you're constantly yeah constantly at war yeah and and and and it's how you're always in in panic and reaction mode you've never built up a nation got you know I mean that's real right there man damn man so him saying that we're not negro black colored was that same um political um civic whatever that our people are looking for that but they're chasing civil rights and all these other things trying to find it yeah because I think we like the only it's really the Moorish nationality that they should be chasing like they're chasing all the other stuff like how they're chasing reparations yeah they should be chasing nationality just like that that same energy that they're putting toward you know going to the congressional hearings and going to the because some reparations that same energy they should be putting that toward knowing the truth about their nationality and birthrights yeah because uh I I always question that as a child man now in this grown age I always wonder why were our people fighting for civil rights what happened to your God given rights I have like later on I hear other groups go through civil rights but I'm like we were like the like you know the poster child like civil rights now come on yeah like he knows I'm like what that's wild bro and and and al Hajj told him in the 60s that it's about human rights not civil rights yes he did yes and they said they love him so if they love him so much how are they still talking civil rights right now if they love him and he said forget civil rights human rights that's true he did they love him though right and they supposed to listen to what he's saying isn't that their boy he got knocked off though and he was their boy though they should be they should be standing up for him though shouldn't they like if they say they honor him if they say if they say um okay if they say we honor two Saint Lovature they should be going with what his message was without a shadow of a doubt because that's that's their boy yeah and they rep for him and then we and then when we check people about two Saint Lovature they rep for him that hard for real yeah they do all right okay all right and and they do it in action it's not just talking yeah they do they do what you go with your heart but these people who have their their their individual that told them forget civil rights there's nothing there they lied to us he went or across the Atlantic to other parts of the world talking with people yeah he was gonna go to go to the courts with that within Kuma and and all these different people to to prove what to our people that that oh everybody recognizes our plight everybody knows that something's wrong and this shouldn't be happening to these people over here in America are brothers and sisters but they can't do jack if we don't have a nationality got you creative abundance when I ask you a question he says where is the Morris Science Learning Center located at well the one where we're at near Near Canaan, Toronto, is at 2530 Eglinton West, near near Eglinton and Keel. But we're not there, we're not there this Sunday. Our meetings are on Sundays, 12 o'clock. But we're not there this Sunday. We're gonna be at Bayfront Park near Hamilton at 11 a.m. So because we do um at our temple at okay occasional Sundays, we do we do um some outdoor um meeting, you know, where we go outside and get some get some air and get some sun and and be outside and meet there. So that's what we're doing tomorrow. So any more anymore is near Bayfront Park, near Hamilton. We'll be there tomorrow. Um, we'll be there Sunday, 11, 11 a.m.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

Yo, how did Noble Jurali get the um inspired to want to teach about nationality and such to the people? Where did he where did he obtain that from?

SPEAKER_03 45:02

I think from his going around and studying, you know, and and um getting this information, it was it was um acknowledged that he had a special position by by leaders of the world. Certain certain um Islamic leaders and different people. That's why an important part of his story is this man named Sati Majid. Okay, who was going to all the Islamic people to try and get them to go against Noble Jew Ali for having a Quran and for you know using Allah and Islam and all that and not being Muslim and you know he's a black, he's a black guy, he he shouldn't be talking like that or whatever, you know. Um so so the we all know who we don't know where as far as you know the um the actual documentation that says no jwali has the authority to whatever um but we know that what he did was never done we know that um there was there was reference to no jwali being established for these people to get out of this dead status, yeah. And he had and he had the things necessary in order to to bring us from the dead status into the nationhood status.

SPEAKER_02 46:58

You know god gotcha, gotcha, I like that man.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

Right like we we you know because when we when we start talking noble jewelry, we don't have documented things to say this is the other than what he left. Majority of the other things that they are because you know when we when we go to um some of the pictures of Noble Jwali, they got they got filing cabinets and an office and all that. So there's papers and stuff from back then that Morris probably wanna, you know, read and see what the hell's on these papers.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

Yeah, definitely, definitely. Because I want to know more about Noble Juwali, like you know, they say study his works, you get to know him more. But I I I I always was curious to know more about him, what led to his demise, who what was involved, and did he really instill fear to the establishment?

SPEAKER_03 47:56

No, remember the establishment had had no issue with him. It was his own. That was that was jealous of his fame and nobility that he even talked about. You know, like he told he told them. That's that's that's just that's just what what it is when we look at other nations, the Judas doesn't get awards and all that. There's one punishment for treason, and all the other people of the world, when somebody's a traitor, people get punishment for treason, they don't get 500 years. And then that way people learn don't be a traitor.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Gotcha, I got you. You know, before we go into your book, we check up out here. People don't forget to keep showing love, keep liking, sharing, supporting. Are there any like current currently any living relatives of kin of Noah Jralli?

SPEAKER_03 49:07

Yeah, I don't I don't think so. Maybe some people who were who were with him or something like that. Um but I don't think I don't know. I don't know. You know, all these things you would think somebody would pop up that was his cousin or something. Yeah, I'd say that they got the yeah, we got the we got the stuff right here.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

Yeah, I haven't yet to hear that. Any um, any uh I know that's a long time ago, it would be impossible, but maybe any living elders or kin of a living elder that was close to him, any artifacts of his or one or two, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:46

There's probably one or two people around still, you know.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

Any artifacts of his?

SPEAKER_03 49:52

Like a book, a robe, like I mean that they would be 1926, they would be you know, 98, 90, 97, late 80s now.

SPEAKER_00 50:03

Yeah, I mean, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

The ones that would remember remember something.

SPEAKER_02 50:09

I want to know more about that guy. I haven't seen any documentary on him really. I seen it one years ago, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 50:15

No, but those aren't you know, those are the the one the one that we really want, we're gonna need the audios and the and and all and the videos and all that.

SPEAKER_02 50:26

Yeah, good luck finding those, bro.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

Yeah, yeah. If they if they do if they do the the um you know Ben Amin documentary, they're gonna have his lectures in there, they're gonna have interviews with him and all that. You know what I'm saying? So that's what we're looking for. If somebody's talking about Nobu Dwali documentary, we don't see no um AI and and all and all that, you know, you wanna see man for real.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

You want to see, definitely, bro. You know, oh man, there's a lot, there's a lot I want to ask, man.

SPEAKER_03 51:05

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Go wherever, it don't matter.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 51:09

It doesn't matter, you know, go wherever.

SPEAKER_02 51:13

This Moorish thing is I keep it real with you. I I respect it. Anything that's about really uplifting the people that's not selling them no no no dream, yeah, I'm for it. You get what I'm saying? Because across the planet, our people, from what we see, what's depicted, but also what we know, go through hell every day. You get what I'm saying? And and you're not gonna correct the so-called Negro issue in a day, it's gonna take time because it's been, you know, social, as you say, socially engineered that people learn to accept it, like as a fact. But to really get them to move forward, do you think Noble Drew Ali's program could really correct the issues that we got happening today in the state of our people, so-called black people? Do you think his his program could correct the Negro issue?

SPEAKER_03 52:08

When we look at the state of our people and the response that our people give to being put in the state that that they're in, right? Their response is always some emotional response, it's never based in any type of reasoning or logic or law or facts or history or whatever, it's just it's just an emotional, you know, um um temper tantrum. Yeah, right when we get rid of these labels which create this emotional state of being, negro, black, colored, african, Indian, you know, West Indian ETC. Once we get rid of the brand names, and then we have a nationality, the energy, our our energy as a being changes when we say we're Moors, just like the the the running the running joke with the Dominicans and them not black, yeah. And people are making uh making a joke of it when they're serious, yeah. Because that's that you can't be that in where they're from, a person can't be that. It's nothing personal against some other people who look like them and whatever, like that, that are having this emotional response again, right? When people are dealing with they're dealing with heritage, they're dealing with culture, they're not dealing with emotion. Yeah, if they were dealing with emotion, they would just say, yeah, that they're black, just to just go along to get along, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:58

They're going off nationality.

SPEAKER_03 53:59

That's not reality, yeah. You know what I mean? That's not reality.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

Damn, brother. You know, the second book you got before we cut it. I gotta have you come back. No, it's been a while since you've been on here, but we gotta get you back, man.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

Well, I'll get back. If you if you got if you got if you got time, I got time. If you got time, you know, I got oh no, no.

SPEAKER_02 54:19

I got I got the five minutes, man. I gotta I gotta I gotta bring you back because um you already know. Yeah, definitely. I gotta I'm you know I'm gonna stay in contact with you. We gotta have you come back. I'm gonna try to lock you in for next show for two hours, man. Yeah, I gonna have Fujo for two hours like we used to do. Yeah, we're gonna lock, we're gonna lock him in. We gotta especially come in next year for February, god willingly, man. We gotta do what we were doing with the Black History Month when you corrected nah Morris History Month.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 54:47

So go ahead. What you about to show us, brother?

SPEAKER_03 54:49

Um, I seen people, um, people were wilding out with um um buddy there, Young Pharaoh. Say Young Pharaoh, yeah. I heard about that situation, man. Whatever, right now, right? So this is uh this is the new book Moore's code's code. Okay, the Moore's connection to hip-hop. Got you. Right. So in this one, we have to resurrect um the Rizza.

Hip-Hop Connections And Final Thoughts

SPEAKER_03 55:20

Yeah, I remember when when he was doing grave diggers, yeah. I remember with the nails, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

Some kind of horror horror core rap, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

Yeah, just just so people don't get it twisted, right, and get lost in in what's going on because everybody needs to jack off the old school. I just seen um I just seen a video of um Lionel Richie at his show, yeah, talking about Chris Brown and Usher and them copying the Commodores and all them. They're put they're acting like they're doing some new stuff, going around touring for the women and all this, yeah. Right? All them all them um all them um old school artists been doing that, yeah. Exactly. They've been macking. And that's some that's not some some new stuff, you know. You have you have to give honors to to the old school, of course. You know, you know, and that and that's the whole honoring the foremoth and forefathers again.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

All right, you know, sometimes our people, I was speaking to a brother about this. We tend to have selective rage, and we don't really investigate things because we just we you the attention span is about 72 hours, then we forget, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 56:35

So we forget that's even that's even better. Selective rage than emotionalism, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

Selective rage, you know how that goes, man. It's just like I'm not gonna speak on this because I don't want to lose my cool points. Yeah, trying to keep this person around. No, we we gotta address when something is wrong, but I have to get you back on here. No, we got it for two hours. It I wanted you to do the cool joe thing, like you, you know what I'm saying? How you usually come with it, presentation and all that.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 57:02

And people go out there, pick up the brother's book. You know what I'm saying? Send that link so I could put it in the chat. Um, not the chat.

SPEAKER_03 57:08

Um, yeah, I'll just put it in the chat, but I'll I'll send it to yeah, I'll send it to you.

SPEAKER_02 57:12

Yeah, so when I upload it so we could get that going, and then we could have you come back on here and really go in because we gotta really it's 2026, people, and I'm tired of saying this, even our ancestors were saying this before us. What are we gonna do about the conditions of the people, our people? We have to wake up. I don't care whether you are part of a different school of thought whatsoever, we gotta come to an agreement, something that's logical that makes sense to uplift our youth out here that are dying at a rapid rate. You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 57:44

We got the remedy, yo. We got the remedy, and it's just it's just it's just people really taking it for for what it is, because they they they keep looking at it from you know their their personal feelings, not based on their them going and researching it to see if it's legit or not.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 58:09

You can't are you can't argue because all you're gonna do is find out truth about it, and then now what? Now you know this truth, and then you can't do anything with it because you're emotional, or you're you're what's it like? What's the thing again?

SPEAKER_02 58:20

Aggressive what select the select the select the rage. Yeah, you got people. I'm not gonna talk to them because this person is part of this organization. I'm not gonna talk to them. Like, listen, I don't care what group you in, we could call ourselves Moors, Islamic, NOI, nation gods of earth, whatever the case may be, whatever you want to call yourself, you will still catch hell under under the fist of colonialism. Yeah, you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 58:48

Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that's natural.

SPEAKER_02 58:50

That's not but but you know, they don't understand that, man. And with that being said, my brother, I appreciate you, Kujo, for coming out, man.

SPEAKER_03 58:57

Thanks again. Give thanks.

SPEAKER_02 58:58

It's been a long time, man. And yo, prayers to the family. I heard what's taking place in in Trinidad with this earthquake, man.

SPEAKER_03 59:03

I hope everyone is yeah, I didn't get in touch with anybody yet, but you know, we will not all as well, you know. You know, somebody flipped the switch because there was there was eight earthquakes in the past two days or something. If you remember that Project Harper work, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

You know, you know the goal of what's going on in the case.

SPEAKER_03 59:22

The past few days, somebody, somebody, somebody slipped and pulled the pluggers up.

SPEAKER_02 59:27

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 59:28

Because you know as well.

SPEAKER_02 59:30

White families from Trinidad. I got you know, my cousin them, you know, married to Trinidad. We was like, yo, this is crazy. And it's funny, like, not to go political too much before we get up out of here. I seen what took place with Venezuela. That's only showing that they're ready to go in there. Let's just keep it like that. You already know what time it is.

SPEAKER_00 59:46

Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 59:48

You look at we see what's going on in Haiti with these gangs, Trinidad having issues with bandits. You know what they're doing over there already. You know what time it is. Let's leave it like that, brother.

SPEAKER_03 59:57

With that being said, thanks. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

Love, man. Peace.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:02

Peace.