The True Origin Of Christianity Part 2 - Ahmed EL Shabazz

A lot of people debate Christianity from memory, tradition, or emotion. We take a different route: timelines, texts, and uncomfortable comparisons that force the question of where Christian doctrine really comes from and who benefited when it was standardized.

We start by revisiting claims that key Bible narratives and religious imagery trace back to ancient Egypt, not as a throwaway theory, but through specific references and book recommendations the audience can verify. We talk Akhenaten and alleged Psalm parallels, the Osiris, Isis, and Horus framework, and how symbols and story structures can travel across cultures long before they get a new name. If you’re searching “origin of Christianity,” “ancient Egyptian influence on the Bible,” or “comparative religion and myth,” this conversation stays centered on those exact fault lines.

Then we move into early church formation: Paul’s role in shaping belief about a resurrected, deified Jesus, the contrast with the Gospel of Barnabas, and why the Council of Nicaea matters when you’re tracking how theology becomes official doctrine. We also unpack Ethiopia’s Christian timeline to show how “Christianity in Africa” can still be a story of political adoption, empire, and shifting names rather than a simple proof of origin.

We close with a direct challenge to blind following and personality worship, plus a practical reading roadmap for anyone who wants to study religious history with receipts. Subscribe for more long-form talks like this, share the episode with someone who loves church history debates, and leave a review with the one claim you most want to fact-check next.

Transcript

Solo Host Setup And Recap

SPEAKER_00 0:13

What's going on, everybody out there? It is Ron, and I am the host of NYP Talk Show as well as the founder. The co-host is in the uh founder is not uh here this week, so I'm all flying solo. Let's see how this works out, man. I pretty much do a good job of flying solo. Anyway, um, how you doing, uh, brother Ahmed KL Shabbaz? All praises due to Allah. I'm fine, brother. How are you this evening? Uh great, man. Lovely, lovely. Staying focused as usual, brother. Uh, so today we're talking about the uh origin of Christianity part two. Yes, sir. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

So let's do a little recap, if you don't mind. Okay. We had uh I'm gonna read a few of the um quotes that I did in part one, the beginning of part one, and uh remind the people that we did leave off at Paul and Barnabas, the gospel of Barnabas on part one. So that's where we left off. But just to recap, I'm gonna quote from the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, may peace be upon him. Christianity is not the true religion of God, it is a division of religions and uses a division of God, which makes it impossible to establish true love, unity of brotherhood, and unity of brotherhood, end quote. Now, this other quote is what surprised you a little bit. I remember last time we were talking, so I'm gonna do this quote again. Um quote, Egyptian culture was highly

Egypt’s Influence On The Bible

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influential in the creation of Judaism and Christianity, both of which carnalize and historicalize much of the mythos and rituals of their scriptures. Indeed, many scholars have insisted that the Bible is entirely Egyptian. The entire Christian Bible, creation, legend, descent into, and exodus from Egypt, the Ark, flood allegory, Israelite history, Hebrew prophecy, and poetry, gospels, epistles, and revelation imagery are all now proven to have been transmitted, excuse me, have been the transmission of ancient Egypt scrolls and papyri into the hands of later generations. End quote. So during the course of our little talks this evening, I'm going to be pointing out books that people can look up themselves. Uh, no need to get upset with anybody. This has been out, this history has been out for a while. We're just getting the younger people up to speed, or people that did not know up to speed. Okay. This is not attacking anyone, this is just a statement of historical facts. So the author here in the Christ conspiracy states that the the Bible that we that we're familiar with is actually from Egypt. All right. So let's go to 100 amazing facts about the Negro with complete proof. This is from J.A. Rogers. All right. So point forty-nine of the facts, uh, the 49th fact states, and this is on page nine of his book, J. Rogers book, the Bible really originated in ancient Egypt. Okay, where the population, according to Herodotus and Aristotle, were black. Here the Jews received almost all of their early uh culture. You see that, right? The Jews, it's the Caucasian people. Yes, sir. All right. Uh, they received uh almost all of their early culture. Uh Professor Brest, leading uh Egyptologist, says, quote, the ripe social and moral development of the mankind in the Nile Valley, which is three thousand years older than that of the Hebrews, contributed essentially to the formation of Hebrew literature. Our moral heritage, therefore, derived from a wider human past enormously older than the Hebrews, and it has come to us rather through the Hebrews than from them. Now, we can go to point or uh historical fact number fifty in this book. Quote, the Psalms that read like those of the Bible were written by a Pharaoh, better known as Akhenaten. Okay, the heretic king 1300 BC, more than 400 years before David was born. Akhenaten, who was the father of Tut on Amun, or King Tut, was extremely negro in type. He is called the most remarkable of the pharaohs. So J. Rogers. Now the the uh proof of that, uh the quote that uh point number 49, which I read earlier, you can find that in the book called The Dawn of Conscience. And that is by J.H. Brest, that's 1933. This last one that I read, point number 50, for a comparison of one of the Psalms of Akhenaten with the 104th Psalm in the Bible. You can see Walter Wingles, Life and Times of Akhenaten. That's 1923. All right, now we go. That's a breadcrumb, right? We were told to verify all information that comes before you. So we can pick up this book here. Now Valley's Contribution to Civilization by Anthony T. Broder. Concerning the songs written by Akhenaten. I'm

Akhenaten And The Psalm Parallels

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just gonna read a couple of verses. All right, okay, okay, so Akhenaten's hymn, which he wrote in 1353 BC, states the world is in darkness like the dead. Every lion cometh forth from its den. All serpents sting, darkness reigns. That's his song. Here comes Psalms 104. Thou makest the darkness, and it is night, wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth, the young lions roar after their prey. Okay, okay. I can go on, but this is on page uh uh 94 of Now Valley's contribution to civilization. All right, so what we they call Christianity is today is plagiarism by the Greeks and the Romans. Okay, it's it's plagiarized, uh, as uh uh let's see here. You've heard of Saint Augustine, correct? Yes, sir. Okay, all right. So Saint Augustine, which is one of the early fathers of Christianity, states the thing in itself, which is is the name for the thing itself, which is now called Christian religion, really was known to the ancients. Okay, and that's from St. Augustine, volume two, page 12. So, brother, we left off at Paul, okay, and we left off at Barnabas, the Gospel of Barnabas, and I forgot to bring up another book that is well worth the read called The Sixteen Crucified Saviors. Have you heard of that book, brother?

SPEAKER_00 9:52

No, sir.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

Okay, this book called The Sixteen Crucified Saviors was written by Cursey Graves, and uh he goes, uh it states here this is back in the 1800s. Uh he compared uh he got 16 crucified saviors, and Jesus was one of the 16. All it did was regurgitate the same story over and over again, and the root of it is in Egypt. We went over Horace, Osiris, yeah, and Isis. That is the root of Christianity. Okay, but it has nothing to do with what they're talking about today, is what we call Christianity, but nothing at all. All right, that was a highly uh um they were talking about astral theology, they were talking about the the and a prophecy concerning us, all right. So it has nothing to do with that, and as as time went on, they kept regurgitating. You might you come up with Zeus and and and uh and Mitra, okay, and Buddha, etc., etc. Christ or Jesus was the last person they used their mythos on. So they took a historical prophet of Islam, changed his teachings from freedom, justice, and equality to Christianity, which he did not teach, all right, and and wrapped a his actual historical figure in Greek mythology. That's basically what Christianity is. Okay, and they've been doing that over and over again, okay. Uh, we have a bit of history when the Greeks had invaded Egypt, they imposed the the god Serabbus on the people. You've heard of Serabbus?

SPEAKER_00 12:02

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Okay, so we have here I have I state here by book up on page 37 and the death of Satan. Paul was renewing the religion of Ptolemy the first of 320 BC. That's all Paul was doing. Okay, because Paul never did see Jesus. Paul used to be a persecutor of the people that used to follow the teachings of Isa or Jesus. Paul was a Pharisee before he became enlightened. Remember, he was his name was Saul, and on the road to Damascus, he had a vision where he saw Jesus in the sky. Okay, he never met the man at all. But then he changed his name from Saul to Paul and started teaching a resurrected Jesus. Which did not happen. Some 70 years after the fact or more, or 50 or 60 years after the fact. All right. Now the person that did know Jesus, did hear him teach, knew that Jesus was teaching Islam, was Barnabas. In the gospel of Barnabas. He heard Barnabas, Saint Barnabas, heard Jesus. His name was actually Yusuf. And he wrote a he wrote a gospel bearing witness to the teachings of Isa or Jesus. Okay, Paul made up a religion about Jesus, not the religion that Jesus taught. That's why Paul is very problematic. Paul is actually the inventor of the Christian faith. He invented it out of whole cloth. But here I go stating here, Paul was renewing the religion of Ptolemy the first in uh of 320 BC. Now, according to history, the Greeks invaded Egypt under the command of Alexander the Great in 322 BC. Alexander's successor was Ptolemy the First. They used the attributes of Osiris and the sacred bull symbol of Memphis, the apus bull. The real uh the black people of Egypt or the real Egyptians did not want this new savior to replace their black god Osiris. After all, this was Kemet, the land of the blacks.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Can can you

“Sixteen Crucified Saviors” Claim

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repeat that again, brother?

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Yes, sir. And in this book, this is from what book? Death of Satan. Death of Satan. Yeah, my book, The Death of Satan, page 30 37.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Okay. So I'll go here. Paul was renewing the religion of Ptolemy the first in 320 BC, of 320 BC. According to history, the Greeks invaded Egypt under the command of Alexander the Great in 322 BC. Alexander's successor, Ptolemy the First, was Ptolemy the First. They used the attributes of Osiris and the sacred bull symbol of Memphis, the Apus. Okay. That was a composite god that these uh these Greek invaders used to replace the god Osiris of Egypt. Copy. Gotcha. Okay. So, you know, the that the Egyptians didn't want this, the Kemites. They didn't want a new Savior. They already had their mystery school, they already had their own uh society or theological theology. And they did not want to replace their black god Osiris. After all, this was Kemet, quote unquote, the land of the blacks, the original name of the land. The white Greeks were the ones that named it Egypt. Okay, check.

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Okay.

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Black people rejected the uh Sarabbis as their god, and um the Ptolemy closed down all of the uh Osarian temples in Egypt, and by the year 240 BC, this Cyprus cult had a temple in Alexander, Egypt, and uh this it was it was it was called the Seraphim, the religion, and they used the same as today, the same symbol of that religion was the cross. And this is two or three hundred years before Jesus. Okay, and you see how the Greeks or the Romans have always been attacking black theology, black culture. Okay, they've been doing it. This is nothing new, all right. If we go on further, a little later, if we go on further, two emperors not only destroyed the black culture system and and the very uh and the very ancient and complex religious system that our forefathers had established as their first system of salvation, but they went on to use Christianity for the continued suppression of black culture, all right.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

They use Christianity to suppress black culture culture. Okay, why why do you why why does it state that?

SPEAKER_01 18:13

Well, I'm stating that because it's a matter of fact, a matter of history. The Roman emperors, Theodosus and Justinians were the ones responsible for the destruction of black culture system in Kemet, known as the Mysteries. These are Christians. Remember what we were talking last time. All they did was switch names. Yeah, Apollo. They put Jesus on it. This but 300 years before this, they were saying it was the rapers, and the sun and the cross was the same. I mean, the symbol was the same, the cross. We know about that cross, huh? And the blackboard. What's the cross? Suffering, shame, and death, and that's what they brought. Every time you see that cross, that's what it means. Whether it was 300 before 300 years before Easter or 300 years afterwards. They only have one game plan. So these two Christian emperors, Justinian and Theodosus, with two Roman emperors, okay, they closed down the mystery schools to erect churches. Remember, last time that they were uh we were talking, uh, they would build churches on top of what they would call pagan temples or retrofit, okay, because Christianity came into being right on time for the uh Piscean age. That was the age of Pisces when Christianity came in, and Pisces' symbol is what the fish, right? Right. So let's go to uh I know people like to say nowadays that Christianity originated in Africa. No, they Christianity colonized Africa first, colonize our people's minds first, right? Well, that's an outside, that's a foreign religion. That is a white man's religion, Christianity. That's a Roman, Greco-Roman. Right? So let's look at the uh people like to point out Ethiopia. Ethiopia, yes, is the

Paul Versus Barnabas On Jesus

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oldest Christian, official Christian country. But when did that start? Who was the first person? When did that when did Christianity enter so-called Ethiopia, which isn't a Greek, which is a Greek name? Greek name, right? Ethiopia means land of the burnt faces, right? Herodotus, right? Okay, so Christianity entered Akson or Ethiopia in the mid-fourth century A.D. Under the king Izama, E Z-A-M-A, Ezama, when he converted to Christianity and made it the official state religion. Okay, what year was that? This is around like 340s AD, mid fourth century.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

That's not no long time ago. Okay, so we have here, let's do a little timeline. We can do a little timeline. I'm going from uh J.A. Rogers' Real Facts About Ethiopia. Okay, just uh J. E. Rogers. I always consult J.A. Rogers because he was the best. He was the best. The other historian was a he was their mentor. So let's go to the source. Okay? Mr. J. E. Rogers brought up a lot of books that us black folks would have never known about had he not brought them up. Books like Gerald Massey, Egypt, the Light of the World. Books like The Anacalyptus by Godfrey Higgins, 1833. Things like books like that. I learned about the 16 crucified saviors from J. E. Rogers in his book Sex and Race, Volume 1. J.A. Rogers was the man when it came down to his stuff. All of it. Get all his stuff. So we I'm on page uh nine in this little booklet here. Let's go through a little brief timeline. So in nine, I'm gonna start here. Let's go 20 years before Jesus, or 20 BC. Candace III, ruler of ruler of Ethiopia, invaded Egypt and pillaged Thebes. Okay. Then we go to 981 BC. Makeda, queen of Sheba, visited King Solomon in Judea. Then 955 BC, their son Minelik, mounted the throne of Ethiopia. All right, they tell me that's where the Ark of the Covenant really is. That uh King Solomon and Queen Sheba's son, Menelik, whose name is Hakim, took the ark with him back to Ethiopia. Many believe this in the church of Saint Mary's, the real ark. Okay, then we go 70 AD. Judah, the eunuch of Candace, baptized, was baptized by the apostle Philip. This is 70 years after Jesus. 70 AD again, Candace established Christianity at her capital, Axum. Okay. All right. Then in 341, Christianity is restored in Ethiopia by Abra, Abraha, and Saint Uh Viminius, Miminius, Fermitius. All right. And then in 524 AD, the Ethiopians invaded Arabia and captured Yemen from the Jews.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Okay. Okay.

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Okay. Okay. You see where I'm going with this? I see. We want to keep we rewind that back so so we can we can get it. We rewind that back.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

All right. So we have a little period in 70 years after Jesus. This is doing that Pauline thing. Yeah. Okay. Candace accepts Christianity. Okay. That's the queen. All right. Right. Then come later, 341, Christianity is brought back there. So it had to be a period where it wasn't there.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Okay. And is restored by Abram, Abraham, and uh this saint who was a look seemed to be a Roman. He was a Greco-Roman. Fumetius, Fumetrius. Right. Then we go to 524 AD. The Ethiopians invaded Arabia and captured Yemen from the Jews. Five, and then we go to 569 A.D. The Ethiopians attacked Mecca and are repulsed. From this event started a world war that lasted more than a thousand years. That's in your Quran. The chapter of the elephant, chapter 105. That date event. So when uh the Ethiopian general, remember, he tried to take Mecca, and this was in fives between 569 and 570. Okay, how was he how was he driven away? They say gnats came up off the ground and attacked the army. He had elephants, he had a hundred thousand men coming at Mecca or more. And then with his elephant, his war elephant that he was riding got to the gates of Mecca, it stopped and knelt down and wouldn't move. Then it said birds were flying overhead. These birds was dropping rocks on them and attacking them. There was a swarm of them. And that's how they went, that's how they did not take Mecca. Talking about divine intervention. Alright. Then in 601, the Ethiopians were driven back across the Red Sea later to lose their coastline to the Muslims. Alright? But ironically, later on, what happened? When the Prophet Muhammad began his mission, Ethiopia was the place he sent the Muslims to for safe for safety from the Jews of Mecca. And when the king at that time asked the Muslims concerning what their view on Jesus, and they gave them the Islamic view of Jesus, they agreed with it. The king of Christian Ethiopia agreed with the Muslims concerning Jesus. Then they asked the Jews who was there to get them uh sent back to Mecca their view. Well, they were pagans, they were idolaters, they worship idols. They had three over 360 gods. All right, that's what they believed in. So the Muslims were given safety by the Christians of Ethiopia during the time of Prophet Muhammad. Okay. So we have to history is very complex. That's what I'm getting at.

SPEAKER_00 29:23

All right. Yeah, you know what makes history complex is the changing of the names. Yes. Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

It's changing other names.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

Yeah, brother, because uh and then because you said

Serapis And Greek Control In Egypt

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the Jews came from Mecca. No, Yemen. It was Yemen. Yeah, it was Jews in Mecca. It was Jews in Yemen. Jews in Mecca, Jews from Yemen. Now, if you're seeing this, if you're seeing this picture in your head based on a history or how you learned history from the 19, let's say, for my for my generation, 80s and up. Right. It's like you gotta think again. Think again.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Right. This is why it's important. You know, uh the honorable Elijah Muhammad put more emphasis on history than anything. All right. He said history was our best subject to study. Of all the all the subjects to study, let's see what he said. Uh, let's see here. You have to bear with me, brother.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

It's okay.

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To bear with me.

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Here's the quote from most honorable Elijah Muhammad. Of all our studies, history is the most attractive and best qualified to reward our research as it develops the springs and motivates of human actions and displays the consequences of the circumstances which operates most powerfully on the destinies of human beings. That's how history is very important. He went on to say a wise man is one who has made a careful study of the past events of ancient and modern history. The knowledge of the future is judged by the knowledge of the past. End quote. So history is very important. So you have to go back way back. Okay. Let me give you some book titles. People can get um take notes on books. Okay, let's go back. The first book I've mentioned was uh The Sixteen Crucified Saviors by uh Cursey Graves. Sixteen Crucified Saviors. Uh Egypt, the light of the world. Saviors? Saviors, yes, sir. Sixteen Crucified Saviors by Curse Graves. Phenomenal book to get is Egypt, the light of the world by Gerald Massey. The Anacalyptus by Mr. Godfrey Higgins. Let me try to spell that for you. I'm trying to excuse me. Godfrey Higgins was uh he wrote two great books. An apology for Prophet Muhammad is another good one you might want to get. An apology for the Prophet Muhammad by Godfrey Higgins. That was reissued in 1928. You see the dates on these books, you have to go back a little deeper, about a hundred years, you can get some good information. Okay, another good book is uh Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization by Anthony T. Broder. Any of the books written by J.A. Rogers, that's the man.

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E. Rogers, Sex and Race, uh Volume 1, 2, and 3, 100 Amazing Facts About the Negro with Complete Proof, uh, great men of great black men and women of color, uh, Africa's Gift to America, from Superman to Man. Okay, those are those are his books to get. So uh we hear even here's J. And let me read a quote from Gerald Massey. See if this lined up with our our history here in the United States as black folks. And this is I'm reading from a book called the uh Theosophia, page 227, and this gentleman quotes Gerald Massey, stating, there is even an ancient Egyptian prophecy of God coming himself to resurrect the dead people, which corresponds exactly to the coming of God in the person of Master Farad Bah. On page 471, uh Gerald Massey states in his book, Ancient Egypt, the light of the world, quote, he, the menis or the mentally dead, is the sleeper, is the sleeper and the menta, the horizon where the sun sets, when he says, quote, I will behold thy face and righteousness. I shall be satisfied with thy likeness when I awake. And this comes from Psalms 47 15. The Osiris woke and Sakim, the spiritual transformation, where he saw the likeness of his Lord, who left his picture there, his true likeness for the Osiris to come forth and follow him. So that the God that woke him up left a picture of himself. The God who resurrected the mentally dead left a picture of himself on the wall. So when the man woke up, he'll know who woke him up. Osiris was the god that was put to sleep, right? Yes, sir. That sounds like us, doesn't it? Yes, sir. All right, we got a picture of the man that woke us up, too, don't we? Yeah, for sure. That's all we have on a picture of looking in the book, right?

SPEAKER_00 36:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

Okay, sure. All right, so a lot of this stuff, brother. Uh, the uh white man, he had to remember the Caucasian had to write himself into history. Look at it that way. He had to write himself into history. History was already in motion, and here he came just for in the year 4004 BC, which was no time ago. Look at all the history that had been established up to that point. He's a he's a child, so he had to write himself into history. So he had to look around as we went over in other broadcasts that you and I have done, Greek philosophy. We went over Greek philosophy, no such thing. They got it off from who? The Kemit. Okay. Then they write a Bible. What? The Septuagint? Huh? That's the oldest Christian Bible. That's Greek, right? Then they changed Esau's name to a Greek name, Jesus. Right?

Ethiopia’s Christian Timeline And Context

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Then we saw here at before 300 some years before Esau, they tried it with Alexander and Ptolemy. Okay, making these composite gods, separates, you know. All right. Then later on, when that didn't work, they have the council of Nicaea in 325 AD change changed Islam to Christianity. Jesus didn't teach Christianity. Wasn't that such a thing? He was a Muslim.

SPEAKER_00 38:24

Right? Now, now uh during the Council of Nicaea, what did they change exactly? Like you said, they changed Islam into Christianity.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

Well, they started teaching a resurrected Jesus, and they started teaching that he's God. They took a prophet and elevated him to a Godhead, or three and one, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Okay, that's changing. Changing it from Islam. He didn't teach it uh Christianity. Paul, like we said, stated, I like like I stated earlier. Paul, all he did was bring up another pagan cult, twist it, put another name on it. Okay, it had the same one, same thing, 12 disciples. All 16 of these, 16 of these crucified saviors had 12 disciples, virgin birth, they were betrayed. Okay, they were crucified, and they supposedly rose up from the dead after three days. Same thing over and over and over again. All they did was change the name, and that's all Paul did. Paul made a religion about uh about Jesus, or the man they called Jesus, and not the religion that the man actually taught, which was Islam. Now, on the other hand, Barnabas, he knew Jesus, he heard Jesus, all right, he wrote a gospel bearing witness to the teachings of Jesus. Okay, that's all that's all that happened. So when we're reading Mark, Luke, John, and Matthew, they were all influenced by Greek philosophy. And they stationed Jesus in the rank of a Greek God. That's basically what Christianity is. Okay, it's regurgitation of 15 other people, 15 other mythos, okay, that they took out of context in the first place. They took them completely out of context. If you read the see, they got the book of the dead. You heard of the book of the dead? Oh, yeah. That's actually called the book of the resurrection.

SPEAKER_00 41:06

I've never heard of the a book of the resurrection.

SPEAKER_01 41:09

See, that's what the book is. Okay, you have to be in order to be resurrected, you had to be dead. So they you know how they twist, they twisting things around, bro. It was actually called the book of the resurrection.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

Well, that's where the technology lies within the language.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

Yes, the language, and sad to say, people are using that same tricky technology to pull our people back into this the very thing that Master Farab Muhammad, the honorable Elijah Muhammad, and others pulled us out of. Okay, that's destroying black culture. Christianity destroys black culture. Okay, that's what it's been doing. Spook God destroys black culture. It does. We have a whole history of that, and now to see other people pulling our people back into it makes me upset. It makes a lot of us upset. But we all we can do is keep keep the truth out here and keep pushing it, all right?

SPEAKER_00 42:23

Right, right. So we have to, you know, Josh Son, uh Josh Sun King, peace, universal peace, love, and light. Peace to you, brother. Who's that? It says uh oh, oh, Zulu union. I thought it said Zulu Nation, my bad.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Okay, yeah, brother. So uh we have to get away from this spook god worshiping and worshiping prophets and worshiping messengers because that's nothing for Christianity. All they're doing, they may exchange uh instead of saying Jesus, they'll say Elijah Muhammad.

SPEAKER_00 43:02

Right.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

Okay. You know, the messenger taught that he was trying to build a nation of gods, not a nation of followers.

SPEAKER_00 43:15

Verbatim, verbatim, he said he wanted to build a nation of gods.

SPEAKER_01 43:19

Nation of gods, not a nation of followers.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

A nation of followers. Where do I find that?

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Oh, I heard that on a uh a tape long time. I can't I can't remember that. I know he said it. Yeah, and that's what he was doing. Look what he was doing. He taught, he said, all Muslims are Allah, all black people are Allah, all Muslims are Allah. Okay, we have a supreme Allah. He taught man is God, black man God, white man God, too.

SPEAKER_00 43:57

He's a devil, the devil is a god. Well, why why you say he's he's he can be a god if he's already a devil? That's a god of evil. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

That's a god of evil. Yaqu made white people the god of this world for the rule six thousand years, a god of evil. Something one completely different from us. He wanted to try ruling evil, ruling the world with world with evil. Okay. That's a devil. You can't say that he he's not a god. He's just an evil God. God is just a title. Okay. We're a God of righteousness. You have God of righteousness. You gotta you got all types of gods out here. Okay, but you got a supreme God as well. The God, Allah, El Illa. We're Illa. He's El Illa, the God.

SPEAKER_00 45:04

Superior in wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. So what's the difference between you and uh what what did you mention? You said like there's a more superior God than us.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

Who's the more I say Allah is the more superior, he's the supreme. Allah is supreme, the supreme is Allah. Who the messenger said was Master Farab Muhammad, the great Midi, and I'd bear witness to that. Okay, now I get what you're saying. All right, all right. Okay. I'm a follower of the messenger. Right, right. I'm not a Sunni, I'm not Shia. I follow the new Islam that was brought by the God Himself. Master Farab Muhammad, the great Midi. Point blank.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

All right, so being that we're all Allah, right? What makes us different from Master Farad?

SPEAKER_01 45:58

He has he has more wisdom, knowledge, and understanding than we do. That's all simple. Okay. God is man is God and Son of God. There's no God but man. Allah is in man and man is in Allah. He taught us that. We didn't know that. He taught us and showed us. I've demonstrated, I I've I've looked when I found that out, my whole life changed. And I started moving accordingly. And I can bear witness that he is who he said he was, and the messenger who he said he was. Okay, it works if you apply it to yourself and the world around you. Ain't no spook God. I don't I've never after I found out who I really am. And remember Master Fraud asked, Will you wait on a mystery God to come and bring food and place it on your table?

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Right.

SPEAKER_01 47:04

Emphatically, no, wait no spook. The messenger said, if you want to see God, look in the mirror, black man. Right? That's not blasphemy, that's the truth. The Jews even tell you that, the the real ones, the theological, the theologians, they say man, God is man. They know that. Where they find out, where they get that from? Us. But they ain't gonna teach you that. Why would they teach their slave they dig that type of uh that type of wisdom? That gave them power. Right. Remember, they they did all their best to keep all light from us. We couldn't even read or write. It was against the law. If they catch you with a book, they kill you.

SPEAKER_00 47:55

Yeah, I just I just made mention of that on on uh in Instagram and Facebook. Right. They had uh anti-literacy laws. That's correct.

SPEAKER_01 48:06

That is correct. So now that you can read freely, do so. Okay, do so instead of debating one another. Okay, I I pointed out all the masters that you need to have to go behind Master Farab Muhammad. If you want to know the knowledge yourself, there you go. His messenger, the honorable Elijah Muhammad, J.A. Rogers, okay. Uh Dr. Mr. Anthony T.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

Broder. Oh, yeah, Anthony T. Broder. I just remembered the name. You said it earlier, and it's like, man, that sounds now valid. Yeah, now valley.

SPEAKER_01 48:57

Yes, sir. These are breadcrumbs. I'm I'm Minister John Muhammad. His books. Oh, Minister John Muhammad wrote books. Yeah, I got one. He wrote two, The Journal of Truth, Volume One and Two. And here he challenges Lewis Farrakhan and um Bernard Cushmir to prove that his brother was alive. He condemned them for that in this book right here, telling that spook that's stuff that the messengers is still alive. Messenger ain't still alive. He's alive spiritually. He's not physically alive.

Why History Matters And What To Read

SPEAKER_01 49:41

See, Farrakhan and Bernard Kashmir bringing Christianity into the mix.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

Okay. Did he stop saying that or he No?

SPEAKER_01 49:52

They probably stopped saying it publicly, but they believe it. Okay, they're talking about an exalted Christ and all this. Now they're saying that he's a mess, that Farrakhan himself is a Messiah, which is totally different, totally against what the messenger taught. Okay? That's Christianity. Just like the Sunnis teach preaching Christianity. Sunni Islam is nothing but Arabized Christianity, a religion about Prophet Muhammad, but not the religion that Prophet Muhammad taught. Okay? Anytime they start dealing with so-called Greek philosophy, which corrupted Judaism, Greek philosophy corrupted the teachings of Isa. Greek philosophy corrupted the teachings of Prophet Muhammad. And now they're gonna bring it back, they've brought it back in with the nation of Islam. Bernard Kashmir wrote that crazy book. Is it possible that the honorable Elijah Muhammad is still alive? The answer is no. But he left it up to the reader to answer the question. See how slick he is? He wrote the book asking the reader a question. Who does that? And Faircon said, yeah, when he read that book, that's what made him believe it. You gotta get out of that, brother. Get out of that. We have the Master Farad Muhammad brought actual facts. He did not bring religion, he brought science. All the prophets and messengers brought science. Not one of them brought religion. They all brought science.

SPEAKER_00 51:39

They brought actual facts. You got uh why is the God, why is the God in the check-in? Christianity is from Africa, not Europe.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Christianity has been in Africa the longest, but it came from outside.

SPEAKER_00 51:57

It's still an outside religion. Well, what he's probably alluding to is uh the uh the Ethiopian, I think it's Coptic.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

Yeah, we just went over there, brother. Yeah, yeah. We just went up when it when did it get there? 70 AD. Okay, then it was made a state religion in 341 in the third in the fourth century. It's still a foreign thing. It was Rome that uh invaded Ethiopia. That was an invasion. The Romans invaded Ethiopia, Greco-Romans. I mean, I thought it's been there, it still ain't right. So they they went to actually, I want to know since you know, we we you know, I'm not in the debate. Does he know where Jesus' body's buried? Because I can tell him right now. Okay, does that gentleman know where Jesus' body's buried?

SPEAKER_00 53:08

Uh um, well, he didn't answer that, but what where would Jesus' body be buried? He said he said yeah, too. Where is it?

SPEAKER_01 53:20

Mosque of Omar in Jerusalem, right? Jerusalem. Mosque of Omar. His body's in a glass tube in the mosque under the mosque of Omar. Okay, and the messenger taught that, and you you can also find that in the book Aticalyptus by Godfrey Higgins. They've known that since 1830 something or longer. That's what the crusaders was all about. The Templars, when they found out that Jesus was not coming back, that's where they was able to blackmail the Roman Catholic Church. Okay, these popes know that. They know Jesus ain't coming back.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

They know that. What do you say to people that uh say Jesus never existed? Oh, I know what they're saying.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

No, nobody by the name is of Jesus existed 2,000 years ago. They they they they have right. There was a man named Esau 2,000 years ago, but no, a man named Jesus did not live 2,000 years ago because there was no letter J 2,000 years ago. The letter J is only 600 years old. Wasn't a man named Jesus, his name was Esau.

SPEAKER_00 54:59

You have to know the Alla Fatua. To see his body for free. Okay, great. All right.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

So, brother, um, you know, we got to get out of the uh this uh I'm sorry to I didn't mean to block you. I'm trying to find find some uh quotes here. Okay, so this is the Catholic.

SPEAKER_03 55:44

This Catholic.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

Uh it says, Christi uh, excuse me, it has served us well, this myth of Christ, Pope Leo the Tenth, 1475 A.D. to 1521 A.D. That's an admission. It has served us well, this myth of Christ. Okay. Because Jesus wasn't a Christ back then. He was just a prophet. Isa was a prophet. He wasn't a Christ, he didn't got crushed the wicked. He was not crucified, he was killed, but he was not crucified on the cross. They made that up. So he can be that 16th crucified savior. They wrapped Greek mythology around him. All right, got Apollo, Dionysus, Mitra, etc., Buddha, Krishna. All of them were crucified. Twelve disciples, born on the 25th of December, betrayed, killed, buried, resurrected. But like I told you last time when they got to Jesus, they say that was Good Friday. Died on a Friday afternoon, and rose Sunday morning. That is not three days. Right?

SPEAKER_00 57:29

That is not three days. Now, this story is told by or uh presented to the population through the Council of Nicaea. The Christian doctrine?

SPEAKER_01 57:42

Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah. That's when they got together and voted, yeah's and nays, they voted uh the man called Jesus into Godhood by a vote. And Constantine uh came up with that just to solidify his empire.

SPEAKER_03 58:08

All right, that's why he came up with Christianity.

SPEAKER_01 58:11

He had to solidify the empire, the Roman Empire. And people already were pagan for the most part, and they're familiar with these old myths, so they just added Jesus to it. Added Jesus to it. They were familiar with it. They had the same uh holidays, Easter, they kept the Easter, they kept their winter solstice, went to solstice um of uh December uh uh uh

Rejecting A “Spook God” Framework

SPEAKER_01 58:40

festivals. He didn't do any, he didn't change anything, just the names. They retrofitted the old pagan temples, put churches on top of them. They were still using the same symbol, the cross, from 300 years before Jesus when they had played it out of Easter.

SPEAKER_00 58:57

The brother said Master Farrar Muhammad represents the Christ. Yeah, he's the great Medina. What about it? That's why there are four Jesuses, with the fourth being us as the honor honorable minister Louis Farrakhan as the chief.

SPEAKER_01 59:19

Yeah, I know there are four Jesus in the gospels, there are four different gospels, and four different Jesus in those gospels. They uh also represent the four seasons, all right, four cardinal points. One of the Jesus is the prophet, Asa, one represents the messenger, one represents the black man in North America. Okay, and then one is you know, the prophet uh Master Farab Muhammad, Allah on a person, he's the Christ. Said the fourth one is Lewis, Minister Lewis Farrakhan. I doubt that. I doubt that seriously. The fourth one is us as a people, just as rising up out of us after 300 years. I wonder what of us. I wonder why. See, that's what I was getting at, brother. Excuse me. That personality worship. The honorable Elijah Muhammad already gave us the history on who is the Messiah, the Christ, the great Mahdi, the Son of Man, the Mahadaya. He said that all of that was referring to Master Farab Muhammad. Now, to take this gentleman, Louis Farrakhan, who's just he first he was a representative. Okay, then he started teaching that the messenger was still alive and that he was the exalted Christ. He taught that? I didn't know that. Yes, yes, yes, and now he's teaching that he's the Messiah and he's the Jesus. That's a look, that's religion. That's some religion he made up. He said he was the Peter. He said that about himself. Bernard Kushber even said he was Paul. That's kind of problematic for those who know. That's problematic for those who know. Because Peter was a hypocrite. And Paul made up Christianity out of whole cloth, just about, regurgitating old mythos. The Messiah is who the honorable Elijah Muhammad said the Messiah was, and who he and who the Messiah himself had proved himself to be by coming here and raising up this nation by himself. That's who the messiah. The man needs to read Message to the Black Man again, page 294. It tells you who the Messiah is, who the second Jehovah is, who the great Mahdi is, who the Jesus Christ is. In that paragraph. I believe it's the second paragraph, Message to the Black Man, page 294. Now, if you want to worship Lewis Farrakhan, that's your business. But I don't worship ministers. God don't worship servants. I'm one of those little gods that Mr. Muhammad made. Okay? Master Farad Muhammad wanted us to have his mind, the mind of God. And my and and gods don't worship messengers, prophets, none of that. Or ministers. Muslims don't. And the Muslim, Muslims, that is against Islamic law to worship a minister or to worship a messenger.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:12

Yeah, the brother said, uh, so if that's the case, explain out-of-body experience in 2017. Three days later, there was an earthquake.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:21

Brother, I don't know what you're talking about. No out-of-body experience. People have out-of-body experience all the time, bruh. It's called sleep, comas, all types of stuff. You're not awake, you're hallucinating. Uh, the gentleman is sick. Uh, Mr. Farrakhan is a very sick man. He might have all types of out-of-body experiences. I'm not gonna say what the OG said last you had him on the show, Brother Melchizedek, but I agree with him. Okay. You remember what Brother Melchizedek said when you had him on the show last time?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:02

No, I don't remember what he said.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

He the Messiah, he can't hardly walk.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

Okay, they're both around the same age. That's his peer. He can say that. I'm trying to be respectful. Melchizedek's 90 years old, brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:25

Melchizedek, uh yeah, they they're about the same age, Melchizedek is 90. He gets around very he gets around better than I do. Yeah, he's taking a train and everything.

unknown 1:04:36

I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:37

Running around standing up on 125th Street.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:41

He gets around great, right? Yeah, he gets around better than I do some days. Mm-hmm. But see, that's that's personality worship. I'm not gonna get a waste my time going back and forth with people that worship ministers and what have you. I was trying in this brief time frame to put some breadcrumbs out there for those who want to know history and actual facts. Okay, you can believe anything you want, but please believe remember there's the word lie is dead center of the word belief. Okay, right. You can believe anything you want, that's your business. Okay, don't get mad at me because I don't. I know better. All right, you mean to tell me the messenger faked his own death? You mean to tell me that the coroner's office in Chicago went along with the with the faking of the honorable Elijah Muhammad's death and putting his medical license in depth jeopardy? Really? That's what you said? You call it an honorable. Elijah Muhammad, a hypocrite, then, and a liar. You calling his family members who condemned that teachings of Lewis Faircon as liars. Don't they know their brother? Don't his son his son watched his father's body. You mean to tell me the messenger's son didn't know his own father's body? Know his father? You know, that's an insult. That's that's I'm I wouldn't have been as cool as they were. Somebody lying on my dead relative like that. Okay. Just to make money off of people? To start your own religion?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:47

That's simple.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:50

Okay. Now you want to call yourself a messiah? You want other people to believe that? No. The messenger told us who the messiah is. And if you do your own homework and study, you'll know what he meant by that, and you know he wasn't lying to us. You should know who Master Farab Muhammad is by now. But if you don't know, that's on you. Especially if you say you're supposed to be a Muslim up under any type of teachings of the messenger. You should know better. You really should know better. I don't care about nobody's out-of-body experience. That don't mean nothing to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:40

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:41

Brother, I noticed one of them kind of shaky shows. Nah, nah, sorry. I could be uh charismatic and all of that, but I'm trying to get some points over to people. I want people to start studying for themselves and stop being blind followers. I want people to start verifying information that comes before them instead of debating or trying to. Okay. You know, I'm I'm that's not my thing. That is not my thing. I I I love to share information. I love to share talk about books, share books, uh other great uh um things that our people need to know that they missed out on. Okay, they missed out on a lot of information because of the second uncles not doing their job.

Personality Worship And Modern Claims

SPEAKER_01 1:08:42

These people, 75, 80 years old, 90 years old. This is information they were supposed to be teaching from the jump. Yes, sir. I'm 30 years younger than that. I've been teaching this from the jump. Okay, this has been me from the get-go. Okay, you wouldn't be talking about no ministers or messiah if you really knew the teachers of the messenger, you wouldn't be saying that. Okay, you wouldn't be in no Scientology, you wouldn't be in none of that. You're a Muslim. What you going to church for in the first place? Anybody's church. You're a Muslim. It's for being a temple. Learning about who you are. Temples are for people to get their theological uh education in. A mosque is a building you go to pray in. Know the difference. Know the difference. Okay, I've been in, I've been in, I've been in this a minute. Okay I'm not I I could I could go toe-to-toe with some of these cats, but that's not my that's a waste of my time. That is a waste of time. It's time to be arguing with nobody. At all. At all. At all. I just read something, you know, get this book, Christ Conspiracy. The Christ conspiracy. Right? Here's another quote from that book. In reality, Christianity was the product of a multinational cabal composed of members of a variety of brotherhoods, secret societies, and mystery schools, and was designed to empower and enrich such individuals and to unify their empire. To do so, these conspirators took a myrid of myths and rituals of virtually all the known cultures and combined them into one, producing a God man to beat them all. End quote. That's Christianity. The messenger said this at the beginning. Remember what I said? He said Christianity, this is the honor of Elijah Muhammad. Christianity is not the true religion of God, it is a division of religions and uses a division of God, which makes it impossible to establish true love, unity of brotherhood, and unity of brotherhood. That's it. And then on the blackboard and a temple, you would be taught that, because it has there, which one would survive the war of Armageddon? On one side is Christianity, suffering, shame, and death with a black man hanging on a tree. Did not not happen. And on the other side, you got Islam, freedom, justice, and equality, the flag of Islam. Now, which one historically has benefited the black man and woman of North America? Islam has. All of our major leaders have been Muslims. We didn't get any real leadership out of Christianity. You know that. You're not getting any real leadership now. We're people who mix Christianity in with Islam. Okay? They're a major retarded. Slowed you down. Okay? That's how that goes. And if you get mad at me, hey, you take that up with Allah and His messenger. Because that's who I'm bearing witness to. Okay. I don't care. Especially this late day in the game. We're in the days of Allah. We only got six more years in the days of Allah. Now, those who know what I'm know what I'm talking about, they know I'm right. Did Lewis Faircott teach you what years you in? Hmm? That you're in the days of Allah? Did he tell you what the days of Allah is? The time frame? Oh, he all he did is insert himself into the scripture where he doesn't belong. Okay, that's a shame. Get over this person, personality cult because we too, we too close, we too close to the big throwdown. We are too close to it to be playing these little silly games. Right. And stop this uh personality worship.

Final Warnings And Where To Find Books

SPEAKER_00 1:13:42

On that note, brother, thank you for coming out this evening. I really appreciate you. Yes, sir. And uh thanks to the chat, thanks to everyone who came out this evening to watch the show, and thanks to those who are gonna watch the show tomorrow and as the days uh to come. Now, uh, I'm gonna put in the description on this video where you can find uh the brothers' books, and you know, you could just I'm gonna put it in the description. I think you could just click it, click on his uh his his um his Amazon, and then you can go straight to it. So uh I'll put that in the description that'll be on there tonight. Um, and I'll just whenever you see his name on our podcast, look in the description. That's where all his books will be. Uh any last words, brother?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:40

I once again, brother, I appreciate your platform. Please appreciate you for having me on once again. Okay. Uh I'm like I said, I'm not a charismatic guy. Okay. I'm not here to entertain people. I just want to give people the information that I believe they need to know right now, okay, so they can stop being blind followers and get a thorough knowledge of themselves. Okay, that's all, that's what I'm about. And yes, I will promote the teachings of the messenger because his teachings are true and exact. And I appreciate you, brother Ron, for all the good work that you do. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:22

And we are out of here. Asalam Aleika. Wellakam salaam.