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Will You Survive... The Podcast
Immerse yourself in the world of cinema as we embark on a journey to equip you with the skills to tackle any disaster head-on. Through the lens of thrilling tales, particularly those of the zombie apocalypse, we'll unravel the secrets of preparedness. Join us as we explore the silver screen to empower you for the challenges that lie ahead.
Will You Survive... The Podcast
Will You Survive "Avatar": Exploring Connection, Nature, and Human Greed
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Gather around, survivors, as we journey to the luminescent world of Pandora in James Cameron's groundbreaking sci-fi epic, Avatar. Our hosts dive into a passionate debate about whether this visually stunning film deserves its status as the highest-grossing movie ever or if it's simply "Pocahontas in space" with a fresh coat of CGI paint.
The conversation takes fascinating turns as we explore how Jake Sully's Earth-learned survival instincts become dangerously "bass-ackwards" on an alien world. We're captivated by the scene where Neytiri shows Jake that extinguishing his fire actually reveals Pandora's natural bioluminescence—a perfect metaphor for the film's themes of letting go of old ways to truly see a new world. This clever reversal of traditional survival knowledge demonstrates why Avatar's worldbuilding remains unmatched even years after its release.
Beyond the stunning visuals, we unpack the Na'vi's deep connection with their environment through neural links and hunting rituals, drawing parallels to indigenous Earth cultures and their respectful relationship with nature. The debate heats up around whether the film's familiar "colonizer versus native" narrative detracts from its achievements or makes it more accessible to global audiences. Meanwhile, technical discussions about CGI innovations, the uncanny valley, and how Avatar revolutionized motion capture demonstrate why this film changed cinema forever.
Whether you're Team "Groundbreaking Masterpiece" or Team "Derivative Storytelling," our lively discussion offers fresh perspectives on this cultural phenomenon that continues to expand with ambitious sequels. Join us next time as we switch gears completely to explore The Conjuring 3—from Pandora's mystical connection to nature to supernatural horror here on Earth.
Hello, hello, survivors, and welcome back to another episode of Will you Survive.
Speaker 2The Podcast.
Speaker 1And today we've got something very special. It's everybody's favorite movie except for Alex. It is Avatar, not the Last Airbender, it's the one with the blue people, but before we get into that I want to introduce my two co-hosts. We've got alex the bald one, that's me, and we've got eric, better watch next words he doesn't get a nickname oh, I thought I thought there was one coming for sure.
Speaker 3But yeah, hi, I'm eric, hi, he's the twink uh, I knew it, I knew that I. That was the exact one I was waiting for too.
Speaker 1And I'm rolling a d12.
Speaker 3For apology, points no because you did the thing, I did the thing. I guess I did the thing, I did the thing, you did the thing Today, I am not basing points off of what they do or what they say.
Speaker 1I am basing points off of what the dice say.
Speaker 3So it's really anybody's game here.
Speaker 1It's not biased whatsoever. It's a roll of the coin.
Speaker 2No, it's definitely my game because I put all my skill points into luck.
Speaker 3So, I doubt you went that build. Most people don't.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, and clearly you put no points into charisma. But before we get into the movie, Alex, would you like to give the synopsis of the movie that we watched?
Avatar's Plot and Pocahontas Comparisons
Speaker 3Sure, the real one. What do you mean? The real one? I feel like you're going to make some shit up. What the hell do you mean? Make some shit up? Read the synopsis to Avatar by James Cameron. So, not another movie. So Pocahontas no.
Speaker 2No, you know what I?
Speaker 3changed my mind, this was a bad idea. I changed my mind about the dice.
Speaker 1You know what that's a minus.
Speaker 2Here it is no roll a D8. When his brother is killed in a robbery, paraplegic Marine Jake Sully decides to take his place in a mission on the distant world of Pand yeah that sounds like Pocahontas.
Speaker 2There he learns of greedy corporate figurehead Parker Selfridge's intentions of driving off the native humanoid Na'vi in order to mine for the precious materials scattered throughout their rich woodland In exchange for the spinal surgery that will fix his leg. Jake gathers knowledge of the indigenous race and their culture where the cooperating military unit spearheaded by gung-ho colonel quaritch, while simultaneously attempting to infiltrate the navi people with the use of an avatar identity. While jake begins to bond with the native tribe and quickly falls in love with the beautiful alien netiri, the relentless colonel moves forward with his ruthless extermination tactics, forcing the soldier to take a stand and fight back in an epic battle for the fate of Pandora.
Speaker 3Sounds like a great movie to me.
Speaker 2Sounds exactly like Pocahontas.
Speaker 3Wow, I didn't know. Pocahontas had space travel. You know what's crazy.
Speaker 2Okay, Pocahontas meets Star Trek.
Speaker 3Okay, not really. Maybe like Pocahontas meets Helldivers.
Speaker 1That's crazy. I actually feel like that's a pretty decent comparison, if I'm being honest, dude I mean other than the space avatar game, but the perspective from a human, and it's like hell divers that would be pretty sick.
Speaker 3Wait, it's just a dlc for hell divers. Yeah, you just, you just imagine you're in.
Speaker 1You're in the freaking like forest and you see your fucking that'd be pretty sick, your friend.
Speaker 3that'd be a really cool game it gets impaled.
Speaker 1You see how big those arrows were. It was kind of ridiculous. You see how big they were.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, they were tall.
Speaker 3Do you guys know how big Sigourney Weaver is?
Speaker 1That's probably not the right word Tall, she's six foot.
Speaker 2Yeah, because I told her that Six feet tall, I had no idea I would.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, I've never seen her in real life, Okay but to quote TJ, hear me out.
Speaker 2Pocahontas and Avatar. They share a central conflict protagonist's journey, romance as a bridge, nature's role, conflict, revolution. Visual spectacle.
Speaker 3What visual spectacle, in what way is Pocahontas a similar visual spectacle to Avatar?
Speaker 2It was the new world on unseen, uncharted territory.
Speaker 3So literally any movie with any new world is just pocahontas.
Speaker 2No all of the rest.
Speaker 3You can't ignore everything else no, but let's break it down one by one, like that's break it down one by one.
Speaker 2Central conflict both stories revolve around a clash of cultures, with one group representing indigenous people living in harmony with nature and the other representing an external resource-hungry force. In Pocahontas, this is the native Powhatan people and English settlers. In Avatar, it's the Na'vi of Pandora and human colonizers.
Speaker 3That is pretty much the only similarity that I'll give.
Speaker 1That shit fucking happened. So it's not just Pocahontas, it's real life, that's true.
Speaker 3That is just a central theme of humanity. This is just real life.
Speaker 1If we found a fucking planet with something we wanted on it we're going to do this shit.
Speaker 2This is how it happens. That one part.
Speaker 3That would be like any time that someone gets conquered. They're like well, this is really just America and the Native Americans.
Speaker 2That one part, then the next thing the protagonist's journey. A key character crosses the cultural divide John Smith and Pocahontas, jake Sully and Avatar, both initially aligned with the invading force but are changed throughout their interactions with the indigenous group. Exactly the same Romance as a bridge Love forms a bridge between cultures. Pocahontas and john smith fall in love with the disney movie, while jake sullian nathiri develop a deep bond in avatar. This relationship serves as a focal point for the protagonist's transformation, nature's role.
Speaker 2Both narratives emphasize a spiritual connection with nature. The powhatan people believe the beliefs, and the navi's connection to iwa underscore the importance of ecological balance and respect for the natural world. Which is perfectly fine, because they're both supposed to be a native type tribe. Then you have the conflict resolution. In both stories, the indigenous people face resistance from the invaders through the outcome, though the outcomes differ. Pocahontas emphasizes historical and cultural lessons, while Avatar opts for a victorious battle. The underlying themes of resistance and understanding are similar. And then, finally, is the visual spectacle, while the stories are centuries apart in setting, both use their medium to immerse audience in beauty of untouched landscapes and the wonder of the natural world okay, so so does fucking Lord of the Rings, and like that's what I'm saying, that there's certain, there's certain similarities that I'll give you for sure.
Speaker 2You don't take all of those things and separate them one by one. Those are all of the similarities.
Speaker 3I'll give you the central core of it.
Speaker 1It's a rip off of this is just a story.
Speaker 3Those are common themes in movies.
Speaker 2And then Avatar and Dances with Wolves have virtually all the same I've never seen. Dances with Wolves have virtually all the same I've never seen.
Speaker 1Dances with Wolves. Okay, the Last Samurai also, so you're on my side then no, no, we're saying that it's not a fucking ripoff, it's not just these two movies.
Speaker 3It's a movie. This is literally just movies. If you do this, you're doing what people do with music where they're like oh, that song's not original.
Speaker 1It's literally just this song from 1976. There's no original music, there's no original stories. It can all be boiled down to good guy. Good guy in trouble. Good guy beats bad guy.
Speaker 2John Wick was pretty original.
Speaker 1Good guy lives happily ever after the end Okay, that's literally every fucking story.
Speaker 2There is no John Wick. There is no other John Wick.
Speaker 3Guy goes on a murderous rampage. There's so many movies like that.
Speaker 1A revenge story, it's a revenge story.
Speaker 2It's literally a revenge story. You got to get more than just revenge. That's the Last of Us 2. Is it Kill Bill?
Speaker 3the revenge story. That's the Last of Us 2. Okay.
Speaker 2Kill Bill. Kill Bill is close. The Last of Us 2. No, it's not.
Speaker 3Yes, it is.
Speaker 1You haven't and what? And maddie's a lot.
Speaker 2No, I'm kidding I'm kidding, maddie, I'm kidding. Outside sources are not relevant it's you're bringing in the chat it's a.
Speaker 1It's a rough.
Speaker 2I was bringing in the chat before we started recording. Don't go there, because now I will bring in the chat. And yeah, lance st claire, okay, so he says, to be fair, john Wick and Oldboy, kind of similar.
Speaker 3Okay, it's just movies.
Speaker 2But we'll say Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 3Movies, do that yeah.
Speaker 2What, what similarities.
Speaker 3Similarities about Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2What's the other movie?
Speaker 3Let me look it up. Someone did a comparison of Lord of the Rings, where they were literally the exact same movie.
Speaker 2It might have been harry potter. Is that a movie? No, it wasn't harry potter. Harry potter and star wars harry potter is star wars with weak lightsabers in what way is harry potter star wars?
Speaker 3no, I see that. No, no, that there are simulators.
Speaker 2Harry potter is an orphan child who is contacted by a bearded wizard who starts showing him the ways. Uh takes him to meet another wizard who shows him the ways of wizardry and he, he is the hope of the world, if you will.
Speaker 1That's just the chosen one. I get that, lance. In every movie. There's a chosen one.
Speaker 2No, no, no, but this one was like there's a long breakdown. That a guy did I think it was a comedian who just laid down every single similarity. He just said Harry Potter is star wars with crappy lightsabers it. It kind of is yeah, crappy lightsabers I saw that too but that, so yeah because the wands are not nearly as fascinating as the lightsabers well, I think it's just different audiences.
Speaker 3You know different strokes for different folks.
Speaker 1I think that's what it is. Lightsabers are just fucking swords that are hot well, exactly.
Speaker 3Some people are going to think that the wands are cooler than lightsabers because of the versatility wizards that's it really is, I agree. I do agree with that. But that's what I'm saying, that to judge this movie so harshly as if every other movie ever doesn't also do that, is kind of silly no, this one's worse it's you know, what makes this one worse? What what?
Speaker 2what makes this one that you? Decided you hated it before you even watched it what makes this one worse is that every single fucking person on the planet virtually had to go run out to see pocahontas in space what you're.
Survival Skills in Pandora's Ecosystem
Speaker 3What is this argument? What? And it's two hours and 42 minutes long it's two hour 42 minutes of beautiful cinematography, literally film that holds up.
Speaker 1This is a 2009 movie, can you?
Speaker 3are you I? Felt like I was in a fucking video game yeah, okay, I will say there were a lot of scenes that were very video game.
Speaker 2It was three days long guys what? Three days long the movie felt like three days long. I started it at like 11 o'clock last night. That shit was rough.
Speaker 3I told you. I told you it's a long movie. That's why I walked out. You knew it was a long movie. I walked out and it was like 1130 and I was like oh, you just started, I had to.
Speaker 2I had to get it done.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's why I suggested we start watching it yesterday.
Speaker 2The sequel was four score in seven years it was longer than the first, okay, fun fact If you look up, what is it?
Speaker 3Zoe Saldana. If you look up her, if you look her up on Google, it says like movies and it says Avatar. And then it says Avatar 5, avatar 3, and Avatar 4.
Speaker 1Yeah, they're planned. The next one's Fire and Ash.
Speaker 3Now that I don't agree with Huh, I don't agree with a 5. We'll see, maybe they're all masterpieces.
Speaker 2I mean like fucking Star Wars 8 fucking, but that's what I was like. Yeah, but Star Wars Come on. I am a huge Star Wars fan.
Speaker 3I'm a huge star wars fan, but seven, eight and nine blue. Well, not seven, eight and nine blue. And there's even people who don't even like one, two and three. There are a lot of people who don't like it, you know they're the purists, though they're the ones who were.
Speaker 2They're older than me and it was like four, five and six why'd you have to mess with?
Speaker 1the prequels were better than the fucking old pieces of shit that came out.
Speaker 2Okay, that is fucking lame, that is lame.
Speaker 1Nah, bro, that is absolutely lame.
Speaker 2You are all by yourself on that.
Speaker 1Hang on question.
Speaker 3question From the originals, fucking none A good lightsaber battle from the originals From the originals Good lightsaber fight.
Speaker 2No, I think Empire Strikes Back. Had a pretty good one with Luke and Darth Barely.
Speaker 1No, that was a pretty good one. And then the one with freaking Obi-Wan and Darth Vader Just two old niggas swinging bats, that's it. They were slow as fuck too. And then one of them turns into clothes. That's so ass.
Speaker 2Yeah, but come on, that was storyline.
Speaker 3I give a little bit of grace for the time period that that was filmed. I get the time period that that was filmed. I get it.
Speaker 2It's more exciting when it's fast and you have the, what, the young guy who played anakin, what was his name? Um, I don't remember the, the little boy, but uh, no, no, no, christiansen him.
Speaker 3That guy was a fucking like. Even all the people on set said like. This guy fucking knew what he was doing before he got to set.
Speaker 2Good battle, luke versus vader and jedi man. Lance calls him mannequin skywalker. Uh, and lance also calls you out. He said you said a good lightsaber battle. You didn't say great, so name me a good lightsaber battle. In the originals those were good I, I think there's.
Speaker 3I think there's, like I, I, I could see what tj's saying, but I don't know. I like no other star wars like okay, but phil has topped
Speaker 1hear me out the battle on muslim.
Speaker 2Hear me out you gotta hear me out. All of those battles in the prequels make sense that they were fucking epic. They were all jedi masters. There were no jedi masters in four, five and six. Luke was a fucking trainee. Obi-wan was at the end of his life. He knew that he was going to be able to come back and talk to luke from beyond the the, that he was going to be able to come back and talk to Luke from beyond the grave. He was going to be able to embody the force and talk to him. So he let himself go. That's why he warned Vader, you can strike me down, but I'll become more powerful than you have ever imagined. And so there were no epic lightsaber battles. Yoda was too old, he wasn't going to fight anybody. But all of those Jedi masters when they got fucking Mace Windu, yoda of course. Then even the Sith Lords were badass Darth Maul, qui-gon Jinn and Obi-Wan when he was young. It all made sense that they were badasses back then and nobody could really compete with Darth Vader until Luke Skywalker.
Speaker 3I think that's a good argument.
Speaker 2Darth Vader, let him win, he did.
Speaker 3Okay, hang on, hang on.
Speaker 2Ahoska wasn't old enough to be the goat yet either. Thank you, lance, that's true.
Speaker 3I'm not the host, but this is not a Star Wars episode. Bless you.
Speaker 2True.
Speaker 1Yeah, true Also. Nobody kisses their sister in this movie, Makes it far better.
Speaker 2Fair, fair, that's fair. I mean, I will say, you know, Did she just say Eric's weird?
Speaker 1about it, eric's weird about it. I don't fucking know what she's saying.
Speaker 3What do you guys think?
Speaker 1Bring up some survival points Heights.
Speaker 3I can't do it.
Speaker 2That was pretty gnarly.
Speaker 3I can't do it the idea of being able to connect with an animal in that way where you literally just think what you want it to do and it does. That seems fascinating and really cool to me.
Speaker 2But the heights? I don't think I could do that. So there's something that when you ride horses, they tell you all of your emotions. You have to keep all of your emotions in check. If you're a fearful person, if you're afraid of the horse, it's going to be afraid of you. So they took a lot of. They took a lot of that.
Speaker 3That uh aspect right I think that's similar with a lot of animals like I'm not saying do this, but dogs like skunks, possums things like that. If you're showing off, you know fear, uh that energy, they'll respond if you're calm and you're not being a threat, then those animals don't want to fight you now once again.
Speaker 2I will say this because I think it's the coolest depiction of any indigenous people, which I do think is the closest to reality of our indigenous people here. That connection with every animal and paying respect to their kill was so epically well done. I mean, I loved that scene when he shot it with the arrow.
Speaker 3The deer-like thing.
Speaker 2Yeah, and he runs up to it and he explains his feelings as he does it. It's like, yeah, you know you, you're dying, but you're going to become part of everyone else. You know, in essence, of much more eloquent way of saying yeah, dude, we're going to cook and eat you, we're going to make you part of us. Thank you for your sacrifice. It's a harsh reality, you know, but it's reality. We, we kill and we eat, but at least showing respect for your prey is. I think it's pretty cool. I think it's very uh. What do you call it? What do you call it? I want to say it's very high-minded. You realize that you're at the top of the food chain and you give proper respect to those beneath you makes you different than any other predator on the planet yeah, I do respect that.
Speaker 3I like that um, a lot of. I don't know about a lot, but I know there was native tribes that it was very particular that you had to use everything on the animal Like nothing would go to waste. Yeah, and I think that's really cool, especially in a society where we are very wasteful.
Speaker 2Oh yeah.
Speaker 3It's cool to see some people still hold on to that. Absolutely Even you know even movie depictions. It's cool to know that you, you know that at least existed at one point.
Speaker 1Do you think it's weird that, like when they fuck, they attach their ponytails, type shit, but they also do that with all the animals yeah, oh yeah, that would be.
Speaker 3Oh no, that's bad. I'll throw it out in order to ride my horse, I gotta stick my my yeah, that's literally what I was thinking. I was like oh no, the comparison's not good.
Speaker 2Lance St Clair just said that exact thing.
Speaker 1When. Sigourney Weaver's character is like stop looking at that, you'll go blind. That was good, but do they have wings, though? I imagine they got wings and such because they got the cloths?
Speaker 3Oh, don't think so.
Speaker 1I don't know he has kids in the next one.
Speaker 3Spoiler they, they were wearing so little. Yeah, all of them. You think you?
Speaker 1think it would.
Speaker 2Maybe it's in like a sheath which I will say this in a sheath yeah, I was that I was a very curious kid and I used to look at national geographic all the time. Indigenous women don't wear a whole lot either. I mean they do now, but when we would take pictures of them in old and you could see them in the publications, I mean that was legit man. They were oftentimes bare-breasted, just with cloth around their waist.
Speaker 2It was those African women. Dude Bazongas, damn, and you run with those. How do you not knock yourself out?
Speaker 1that's getting cut um yeah, no, I had another couple of things.
CGI Achievements and Uncanny Valley
Speaker 2Yeah, survival in regards to uh, I really loved the first scene. I thought she put it in such a fair way as he was gonna die because he was a baby. He was ignorant like a baby. He was making noise. He, you know, lit fire, right, he's afraid of the dark, so everything, everything was counterintuitive to him, right, all of the knowledge that he had of how to survive was completely bass-ackwards on this planet and he was what do you call it? I would say stifling his own abilities by lighting a fire right. As soon as she put it out, you saw everything around him light up and it was so much brighter and so much further away. You could see so much better.
Speaker 1Fire kind of of.
Speaker 2It's like light pollution right exactly they can't see you like real far and that was that was like so well done. And even in some of the other stuff we've, we've covered, like remember, um, the gray, it was a lot like that. You would light, you would light a fire. And I'm not saying in in the gray it was a bad idea, but you light a fire and you can only see to the edge of the light of the fire.
Speaker 3Yeah, the fire actually blinds you more than it helps you see everything else dark, and what I think of is if you're worried about being hunted, you're just holding up a flare for them to see where you are but that.
Speaker 2But I mean it's dual in in the wild here, not in pandora. In the wild here it is vastly different, because fire does scare animals it's a natural deterrent to most things you put up a wall of fire as your perimeter, or even stakes. If they had enough wood in something like the gray um, you put enough stakes of wood on fire all around you. They're not going to come near you. They're going to know what that is.
Speaker 3You know they normally run from fire we talked about that where it would be really unrealistic for them to go investigate a plane crash exactly.
Speaker 2Yeah, very, but in this it was more uh, showing us that all of his natural instincts were completely bass-ackwards. And when she said that it made uh, it helped me connect with the character and understand exactly what he was going through. He, he was a baby, right, I mean the way she said it was so perfect. He was completely ignorant of this world. He was, he had no training compared to the doctor or the other, um, the other scientist. Uh and I did jumping ahead just a little bit when they pulled him into the group and they, they talked to him and said uh, you're. I think they said your head is full. Your head is full. There's nothing you can learn, your head is full. Because they were assuming my cup's empty, right, they were assuming he was like the other scientists which told me that they came there with the intent of, like I'm not able to learn anything, I'm going to teach you everything.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2Right, which is I think it's.
Speaker 3Which is why they think they shut down grace's school.
Speaker 1Yep, and so I did a little more than shut it down. I just went through sorry, capping kids, that's fucked was that the?
Speaker 2was that the military? Yeah, they just the military did that she, she.
Speaker 1She brought it up like he asked. He's like what happened at the school? She said that nateri's sister and a bunch of other like younger you know, navi or whatever, uh blew up a fucking truck or something. So they just like hunted them down and they thought they would be safe at the school. So they just, and they still just gunned her down and the rest of them damn so that's why they threw the. You know that's why they didn't fuck with them. Originally they were. You know.
Speaker 2They were down with it well, I also was a little interested in how. What was the progression of the violence, and I think I might be interpreting this my own way. I think we understood at the end that there were several different clans all over the place, because I couldn't understand how this group was, you know, quote unquote peaceful, but when the first tractor or the first dozer equipment was coming in and Jake was seeing it for the first time, it had arrows in the tires and everything. So I was like, well, are we attacking them or are we not Right? But then I saw when all of these other clans came and joined in. I'm like, oh, maybe, maybe it's other clans who were fucking with them.
Speaker 3I couldn't, I don't have an answer to that. That, I thought, was the, the tribe. I thought that was. I was imagining it more like there was. There was active conflict but there wasn't a war well, yeah it's.
Speaker 1It's more like you know they're encroaching in like on their area, type shit. So they're just like fuck off, or you know. You've seen how lethally fucking sharp they were with their bows, dude, if they wanted to hit them, I saw.
Speaker 2I saw. The part that really impressed me was when they put it through the glass oh, yeah, yeah, they were pegging guys through the glass. I was like whoa yeah. So I mean yeah, you're right if they wanted to hit him, they would have hit him what's funny is the what's what's?
Speaker 1dude with the scar on his face, whatever his name is um, uh, colonel, colonel, yeah yeah, captain, cunt uh so that motherfucker made it a point to bring up like right at the start, like hey, they got bows and shit and they're laced with poison and it'll kill you, but like the arrow is bigger than a dude.
Speaker 3Like so like it doesn't matter if they're poisoned or not, it's gonna punch your fucking lungs out of your chest once it hits you.
Speaker 1I thought that was funny.
Speaker 3Because that assumes that, because the only way that that would really matter is if they hit you in a limb.
Speaker 1Yeah, if they nicked you or something.
Speaker 2So it's Colonel Miles Corich. He sucked yeah.
Speaker 1Oh, so what I was going to say is with, like the conflict, you'll see if, because we're going to watch the second movie, eric, would you pick the second movie?
Speaker 3No, I'm kind of on my own series. But oh, what Conjuring? I know, yeah, but I know that Alex is going to pick the second one either. Okay, so I'll keep this as my series then.
Speaker 1I will pick the second one. You'll see in the second one other reasons why they're just very untrusting of the humans, because they're just kind of assholes.
Speaker 3Yeah, I'm not going to lie they do not care about. I'm not going to lie. I don't think it's a bad representation of humans as a whole. I do think the movie really put this kind of emphasis on like it really did seem like America and the native Indians. They were all American.
Speaker 1I don't think there was one like British or fucking.
Speaker 3Yeah, no, well, okay, that was actually another thing I thought of. All of them were American. At least they all had united states accents. So is america just the only country that's left on earth, or the only country that?
Speaker 1went to pandora or like that it's. They're all similar accents, like.
Speaker 3They're so like no, I don't think it would ever be like that, but maybe, I don't know, like a one world government type thing, and then ironically, James Cameron had Sam Worthington speak in an American accent.
Speaker 2He's Aussie.
Speaker 3No, he's British. No, he's Aussie. He was born in England. He was born in the UK.
Speaker 1Is he I could have?
Speaker 2swore.
Speaker 3He said he was Aussie.
Speaker 1Some make made up, fucking whatever.
Speaker 2I mean, they're basically the same, but oh, they moved toia when he was six months old. Okay, yeah, so and um, and he even said that learning the navi uh language was was uh easier than speaking in an american accent you know margot robbie has talked about that.
Speaker 3Have you heard her talk about that? No she says that aussies keep their tongue. I, I believe I, if I remember correctly, she said aussies uh have, like they have less room in their wow fuck, I'm really I think I'm messing it up. It's either that they have less room in their mouths or more room in their mouths and so speaking and they keep their tongues towards the back.
Speaker 3So, speaking in an american accent, there she was like it's just physically very different and like just how we use our mouths for language and it's just a lot harder to and that's why I can do an australian accent so I can do is r and r r and r
Speaker 2I gotta give you I will say some some accolades this movie deserves. In cgi was uh, sam worthington's legs work perfectly fine and uh, what we saw, the atrophied legs were prosthetics and they hid his real legs under the wheelchair.
Speaker 3I thought so yeah, and they CGI'd it out. Yeah, that's cool. I was imagining that. When I saw those legs, I was like, how did they do that?
Speaker 2That's a lot of work, man. That's a lot of CGI work.
Speaker 3Anytime they're in the Avatar, all CGI. That's incredible. The trees CGI.
Speaker 1You know, before they'd probably just have the actor get real skinny.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If it was made today, I think the CGI would be worse.
Speaker 2Huh, Huh, I genuinely I do think it would be worse.
Speaker 3No, no, no, Just in general, because I think so much. Maybe not because it's James Cameron, but I'm thinking if just somebody were to make this movie besides James Cameron, I can imagine using all the good CGI that we have today, and it would just look like crap, because there's a lot of bad CGI, I think, today.
Speaker 3Well, yeah, it's kind of, I think it's more widely accessible, and it's just he takes his faster but at a crappier quality, you know that's why it took him fucking what, uh, what was 11 years, 13 years to release the next one well, yeah, because it was yes, there's so much water.
Speaker 1That's why it's the way of water. Yeah, oh, I, I know what. I know what's going to get me a point.
Speaker 3They came up with a whole new tracking technology to do the CGI in water for the second movie. Oh, interesting.
Speaker 1So once we watch the second movie, I want you to watch the part where he's running from the panther thing and he goes to jump in the water. I want you to look at that water and then I want you to look at the water in the second one, because it's so there's, there's a um, a phenomenon that is known as the uncanny valley.
Speaker 2I was talking to you about this a little bit. The uncanny valley is when animation is close, but it's not, you know, close enough, and oftentimes they say how children will reject it. It's, you know, adults will, whatever right, but children are very afraid of it. It very small things, for instance, uh, cgi will make faces uh symmetrical, and our faces are not symmetrical, and so it's like so funny, they say, you put up a mirror on one side of your face and so that you can only see either your left side or your right side, as if that was your whole face yeah and depending on which side you use it it's one is less good looking, one is more good looking, and cgi doesn't do that very well, or they hadn't up until around this, this era, 2009, 10, 11, 12.
Speaker 2And do you remember the movie, uh, polar express? Yeah that was one of the first successes.
Speaker 1Fucking tom hanks. That character is just tom hanks.
Speaker 3Let's pay one dude they really got their money's worth out of it that was one of the very first successes in defeating the uncanny valley.
Speaker 2Children actually enjoyed that movie.
Speaker 3I find that art style so disturbing, to be honest, really, yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, I think. With the Uncanny Valley thing, I think it doesn't really happen in this movie just because they're not human.
Speaker 2I bring it up only for one reason.
Speaker 3But the background.
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 3Not the people, but the backgrounds. That's what I I know what you mean, because when the actors are there you can tell so much of it is green there's a specific spot where I'm looking at sigourney weaver and I'm like that's sigourney weaver.
Speaker 2I can tell that sigourney weaver, but it it looked to me like it was a video game cut scene like she was kind of placed into this background and it was just like it was. It was so bizarre everything.
Speaker 3It looked so so real but not and it was almost like I think that's the 2009.
Speaker 2That just has to do with like that's what I was thinking they got us.
Speaker 3This is pocahontas kind of it's a bit like lighting and stuff.
Speaker 1It takes a real like big part in that oh yeah, and lighting and cgi is so difficult theory about why we have the uncanny valley in our brains is because back in the day, when you know when we're in caves and shit, there were things that were mimicking us I believe in mimics dude yeah, there are things mimicking I think they're real really it would I think they're real and that's there you know, I think they're more afraid of us than we are of them.
Speaker 3Okay, but to what extent do you believe in mimics Like you believe? It's an actual creature that just mimics other things?
Speaker 2I kind of yes, you could say creature.
Speaker 1I think it's.
Speaker 2I kind of think more, rather than don't think terrestrial, I think like interdimensional.
Speaker 3I don't think that they belong here.
Speaker 2Something not of this world, yeah gotcha yeah, mimics, skinwalkers, uh, wendigos um, I think they're, they're, they're all we can call them. All sorts of different things, and I do think that skinwalkers and wendigos have a lot in common, but they're not, not exact yeah wendigos and werewolves have a lot in common.
Speaker 3Wendigos just mimic the voice right, they don't actually shift.
Speaker 2No, Wendigos are. What is it they're?
Speaker 1I believe, isn't it because?
Speaker 2they eat. The belief is they are former witch doctors who they began going down the cannibal route.
Speaker 3Yeah, and they lost their sanity. My only knowledge of Wendigos is from Until Dawn.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, that's my only fucking. But Skinwalkers it's basically like a witch-type beat that'll take the skin of an animal and wear it and be able to mimic that animal. In pop culture they make it so they can mimic humans and shit, but it's mainly animals. So imagine you go out on your porch.
Speaker 3It's like a drew cats outside.
Speaker 1You know you gotta call your cat and you know you're like whatever, and then you hear a meow, but it doesn't sound quite right, kind of sounds like a person.
Speaker 3It's actually. It's actually. That's what they say.
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Speaker 2I know exactly what you mean, but that's what they say out it's right, but your instinct, your intuition, you know it's like and this is what I think about, mimics, right, because it's like, just for for my person, oh, I'm gonna use you tj. It would be like maddie answering your call, if you said, if you said maddie and she said what, and it was like her voice but not her spirit. Can you understand what I mean by that?
Speaker 2yeah like that's. That's kind of what I think a mimic is. It's the voice, not the soul, not the, not the like there's just something that they it can't.
Speaker 3It's not that, it's not the essence.
Speaker 2It's not the essence of what that person is. It's like you. Can I know I I heard your voice right? It would be like you if I heard you speaking, but I know it's not you. That was one of my favorites, like I love creepypasta and stuff like that, where they did one really I don't know.
Speaker 2I love that stuff or it was like, um, mother and daughter, mother and daughter were sitting in a room and well, actually the daughter was sitting in the room by herself and the mom was calling her. She's like come, you know, come downstairs, come downstairs. And then the daughter goes to the stairs and when she gets to the stairs, all of a sudden somebody grabs her and yanks her in the room and it's her mom. And she's like that's not me and like it just ends right there.
Speaker 2You know it's like a super short like, but it's like there's this one.
Speaker 1I freaking love that there's this one short story where dude's driving home after work and it's late at night and he, uh he hits something, um and he it's a you know person, so he just fucking keeps driving. Gets home, um, wife's like you know, dinner's almost ready, uh goes to sit down and then the wife's just acting weird and he's like what the fuck? And he hears a knock at the door, goes to the door, it's the cops and it's like are you mr so-and-so? Yeah, your wife was hit on, I, whatever. Oh, it turns around. Who the fuck is that? But he, he ended up, he killed his wife.
Speaker 2Dude, that's a double whammy right there. But I mean, you know, it creeps me the fuck out Like I honestly think the more cruel thing for that entity that mimic to do is to leave him alive.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2Like that's more cruel at that point. You know what you did now. Now you're being told, and oh, God, that's a horrible thought. But as far as this, I did enjoy the flying scenes. I completely understand your point. The flying scenes, I completely understand your point. And then the other scene that gave me the willies was when they were. He was tasked with bonding with his first flying creature, the banshee yeah. And they had to jump on those vines.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, oh, dude, the fucking floating To climb into that area. First they had to climb up those freaking floating anal bead of rocks.
Speaker 2Exactly.
Speaker 1And it's like you're not surviving that fall.
Speaker 3But so here's the thing I don't know, because I'm imagining doing that, doing that in my body yeah, absolutely not, will never happen, that's not gonna happen. But maybe if I was in one of those bodies I would feel a lot more comfortable, because it seems like those bodies were you, you know stronger. They were adapted for that.
Speaker 2And if you remember what the Colonel said, the Colonel said that the gravity was lesser on that planet.
Speaker 3So I wonder like do they have a, a what's it called A terminal velocity If they fall?
Speaker 2that's the, I mean they. They definitely fall.
Speaker 3Or are they like cats?
Speaker 2But remember they were able to hit those leaves and bounce off from one to the other, to the other, they're like slim.
Speaker 1He fell quite a bit their bones are carbon fiber, so they must be like pretty light for their size.
Speaker 2It would take a lot for them to.
Speaker 3So they're like sugar gliders. Yeah, kind of Right Now.
Speaker 2I have a question for you guys. Yeah, did anybody right now I have a question for you guys. Yeah, did anybody else? I? I might have missed something at the beginning. Did anybody else think that they kept showing jupiter, like this was a moon of jupiter, like they kept showing the sky? I think it kept showing a giant gas? No, it's actually not.
Speaker 3I looked it up because jupiter, but this is a planet that it's a moon.
Speaker 2It's a moon that um, that orbits a planet that is polyphemous and alpha centauri.
Speaker 1So they really just like Interesting. So they just picked a planet.
Speaker 2They're like yeah, let's pick a gas giant but give it that fucking weird storm. The eternal storm right? Exactly that's what I thought, so why?
Speaker 1wouldn't they just make it look different?
Speaker 2That's what I thought too. Frankly speaking, I think they might have, but I think the color was different. I think it was darker in color.
Speaker 3Ours is a red spot, I think. Out of their $327 million budget, or whatever it was, they were like we're not going to spend too much on that.
Speaker 1Fuck, what do we put for the skybox man?
Speaker 398% of the movie is CGI and I think when they got to that they were like it's there for two fucking seconds I did frankly and really enjoy standing on that planet, looking at that or that moon, looking at that planet.
Speaker 2I think that is probably one of the coolest things wouldn't that be so cool if I could ever experience something like that, it would be unbelievable.
Speaker 3I wish, I wish earth had rings. We could have had rings, we could have been next to another planet or something. Or like give us more than one moon, Like you know. Yeah, we only got one moon For real.
Speaker 1We could have had rings. It would have looked so dope. It would have been really hard to travel though up to space.
Speaker 3You guys ever seen the Orville? Yeah, I saw parts of it with seth mcfarland. Yeah, they go to a planet that has rings and it just I love when movies show things like that or like you know what it would look like. It's so cool I also love.
Speaker 2I saw this one that was, uh, what earth would look like if you looked up, and in saturn's place was the rings of JS1, I forget what it is 102. It's like the largest ringed planet in the universe, or the known universe.
Speaker 1You really need to come up with some names for these, instead of just a bunch of fucking numbers and letters.
Speaker 2I mean yeah right, Just whoever finds it name after them, please, or something. Call it Big D or something, something you could, you could stand like that you could stand even in los angeles, even with all of our light pollution. You can look out and larger than the moon would be those giant rings like that's how big those rings are.
Speaker 3That's really cool hey, that would be really cool one part of this, or yeah if we had more than one moon, that would be kind of cool too.
Speaker 1So I was gonna say the cgi there's one that would be kind of cool too. So I was going to say the CGI. There's one part that I like kind of. It kind of looks fucky. It's when they're in their little mech suits. It's kind of like the Iron man thing where they like stop doing the practical suit, so it just kind of looks like his head's floating there.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't mean yeah.
Speaker 1That, that I kind of get that.
Speaker 2Go ahead with. Go ahead with what you were gonna say, alex. No, I I kind of get that. That and what I? What I wanted to say was the the well, okay, I'm. I'm gonna tell you now that that our listeners have already endured my angst all of this time.
Speaker 2I actually really did like this movie.
Speaker 2I just had to to give you guys all of the negatives, and I do really believe everything that I've said to you.
Speaker 2I just made it out like it was a much bigger problem for me than it was, but all of those things, I really do believe that this is Pocahontas, that it's Dances with Wolves, that it has some of the space elements yes, but it's, all in all, a story that's been told many times. Although very enjoyable, I love the depiction of the natives, but the one thing that I got really mad at was they kind of showed us in a way, how I want to say this correctly they showed us, in a way how fragile the mech suits were. Fragile is not the right word, but they weren't able to stand up to those beasts, right. Those beasts just trampled them like nothing, right. But then when this guy, uh, the colonel jumps out of a of an exploding uh craft onto the ground and like nothing happens well, lower gravity is what I gave credit for that I, I guess, I guess versus a rhino stomping you because I mean that those things were pretty badass.
Speaker 2Those were cute. I wish we'd seen those monkey things more.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, the lemurs they're fucking goofy looking.
Speaker 1I liked them. They were non-aggressive, which I also really they had regular arms but just split off into two other forearms and hands.
Speaker 2It's kind of dope I really did love how they answered the question that that, uh, I forget her name. I keep forgetting her name the no the, the lead. Uh, how she, how excited she was, like I believed her right, she, she took on that role and she became that. That uh character. They're not the avatars. He was the avatar. What they were called, what were the people called um? Sky people no, the sky people were the bad ones oh, they were, they were the oh yeah, tani, oh yeah and um, I mean she.
Speaker 2She was one of them because one of the things I love when she got so excited, when all of the animals came and responded and she was hollering in excitement and jubilation that the mother, the great mother, heard you, she heard you, she heard you, and she was like screaming it.
Speaker 3That part made me excited.
Speaker 2It did and I was like it was their reinforcements came. And it was like for no other reason than balance. No, I don't think she was wrong.
Speaker 3Well, because she said, no, it won't pick a side.
Speaker 2Right, and I don't think she well, no, that's good.
Speaker 3It definitely picked a side, but it it picked balance. Yeah.
Speaker 2They were going to imbalance the planet. They were already imbalancing the planet. What was it?
Speaker 3Iwa, iwa, what was coming, and maybe from jake, telling it like this is what's going to happen to it. I like this is beyond your world. This is my world. I'm telling you what these people will do.
Speaker 3I know exactly what they will do who they are, what they are and I think that connection to ewa was enough for for ewa to know like, oh no, he's, he's serious. But what I do want to say is can we, can we uh get it out of the way? The big elephant in the room that, uh, this is just a big uh trans or pro trans uh movie. Jake sully is trans for sure.
Speaker 2100 I mean trans species. Oh, I mean, isn't it?
Speaker 1can we talk about how?
Speaker 3he's not one of them, and then he becomes the best of them, wow this guy that just sounds like Jesus really when they all needed him most he came down, did a fucking miracle. They were like yo, I'm with you, g yeah, jesus came, blue Jesus also, I would like to point out that the well he didn't die.
Speaker 2But I would say not really, because jesus came down and said I didn't come here to fight your wars yeah, but well, jesus came down as a man.
Speaker 3I think that's the comparison he's making. But so, guys, the colonel at the end the colonel he said so.
Speaker 1Jake, how does it feel to betray your own race? I really think he could have said species there, but he chose race I feel like bro's, a little racist.
Speaker 3You betrayed the whites, you betrayed the white, you betrayed us, so okay, the only way that could have been worse is he was like for those colored monkeys, which they also called them, which is that's right they did wow, this is really. It's just the same.
Speaker 1They live in a tree. They're savages.
Speaker 2So okay, here Stephen Lang, that's Colonel Miles Kaurich.
Speaker 3Good actor.
Speaker 2He was you guys, I don't know, maybe TJ does, but I know you haven't seen it he was Ike Clanton in Tombstone, which was he played the gnarliest coward in that movie. He's still a bad guy, but what a great character. From that character to this character, unbelievable. And then my favorite was Itukun, who was the father, the chief, and he was another old movie. He played Magwa in Last of the Mohicans, which the the second I heard him speak I was like, oh my god, that's magua. I. I knew him from that movie did you know?
Speaker 1so, um, you know the one dude who was supposed to be betrothed to nick chiri.
Speaker 3He becomes like the chief that guy, you know who plays him.
Speaker 1No, mm from the boys, mm.
Flying Scenes and Indigenous Respect
Speaker 3Mother's milk black guy oh guy, oh really you know that? No, didn't know that either. Yeah same, that's interesting Fun fact, guys.
Speaker 2If you watch the boys and haven't read the comic.
Speaker 1The reason his name is MM or Mother's Milk, is because he gets super strength from drinking his mother's milk.
Speaker 3Oh, my God.
Speaker 1They deleted that from the show.
Speaker 3Have you ever seen the boys?
Speaker 1Special.
Speaker 2Not special.
Speaker 1Normal, they're special.
Speaker 2Normal, I think.
Speaker 3Comparatively. Comparatively, I mean, it's not like he's drinking from the same bottles.
Speaker 1It's frozen Good protein.
Speaker 2Okay, well, that makes it very slightly better.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't know if we really want to start trying to justify this.
Speaker 1I would say you would let the the blue woman sit on your face. Do they have those parts? I would. I would just let it happen.
Speaker 3I feel like they might crush your skull when she was, when she was holding him like his, his human body.
Speaker 2I was like damn oh, my god, he was so tiny. There was that whole. There was that whole tiktok, trend't it, where it was like the way to die, oh yeah.
Speaker 1Death by snoo-snoo for me, please.
Speaker 2Thank you, I do not want an arrow in the chest, but if you would just, no, no arrows Crush my neck, please. Thank you, thank you, I would agree.
Speaker 3Maybe, have you ever heard of Lady Dimitrescu? Oh yeah, Isn't that Resident?
Speaker 2Evil.
Speaker 1Yeah, yes, yes, I have.
Speaker 2And I've seen all of the different skins they put on her.
Speaker 3No, there's, markiplier was a big fan, yeah.
Speaker 2I do.
Speaker 1It's called Steven Universe. One of the songs in it is uh, fucking, all I wanna do is see you turn into a giant woman, right and then because they like fuse and then they turn into a giant woman or whatever, but uh once once she fuck apart, he's like giant woman. That's how I feel. Like I tell maddie all the time I'm like bitch.
Speaker 3I wish you were seven foot god I wish you were a freak of nature. I wish.
Speaker 1I wasn't a fucking foot taller than you. You're ruining it. What is?
Speaker 2you remind me of something.
Speaker 1There was a show See, Josh gets it. Neil Patrick Harris.
Speaker 2It was how I Met your Mother and he said I've always wanted to be with a really tall woman, not a big woman. Your mother and said I've always wanted to be with a really, uh, tall woman, not a big woman, all proportionally proper, but just really tall.
Speaker 2That's interesting, a fucking uh amazonian exactly, yeah, seven feet tall, but all proportioned out long neck, you know just long, just normal body long it's a five foot body of a seven foot yeah I think I would be okay with like sigourney weaver dude six feet tall I would, yeah, I would, I would, I would wait, sigourney weaver now or sigourney weaver in this movie?
Speaker 3both I would. I would really have you seen sigourney weaver now no, I would.
Speaker 1Let me look, let me make sure, I think I would you know who's the main, who's uh fucking I think michael myers, uh sister, I have no idea, I know she's older that actress I would I don't know, dude, I think I still would I would and and her blue counterpart yep oh yeah, when she first walked up and he was like digging his toes in the dirt or whatever, and then she's like hey or whatever. He turns around and he goes damn.
Speaker 2Two years ago Two years ago. We're just looking up pictures of Sigourney Weaver. Oh, where's that from?
Speaker 3Wikipedia, Waikipedia. Weaver at the 2024 Venice Film Festival.
Speaker 1I feel like you need to stream the screen.
Speaker 2Yeah, I feel like they didn't do her justice. No, they might not have.
Speaker 3Who picked that picture? I mean, this is a very well done picture. I would no questions asked, didn't even see it yet I would.
Speaker 2You said that was 2024?.
Speaker 1That picture. Nah, she looked like Jim Carrey. If he Jim Carrey, he'd look like Jim Carrey, damn.
Speaker 3What the fuck Jim Carrey, if Jim Carrey looked like Jim Carrey, you?
Speaker 1know what I mean. I would All right. I mean, hey, yeah, and I'm still taller than her. Is she only six foot? I'm not?
Speaker 3Or is she six foot something? Yes, she's six foot. Meanwhile I'm still taller. Yes, she's six foot, meanwhile taller than her dub.
Speaker 2That was the days I remember. Nerdy vet, nerdy vet says jamie lee curtis yeah, jamie lee curtis that's another one would would.
Speaker 1Anyways, guys, uh, you, as you can hear, we are uh very off topic. Uh, alex, would you like to give them the socials?
Speaker 2heck, yeah, well, I calculate the points we have socials on tiktok, instagram and facebook. You can just search will you survive the podcast. You can also search will you survive the podcast on youtube and catch our youtube shorts. We put up new stuff, uh, five days a week. Go check that out and you can either search will youive the Podcast or look up at the boys at WIS, at the boys at WIS. And we also have our email that you can send any critiques, criticisms, suggestions, anything you'd like us to cover. Just send those to the boys at willyousurvivethepodcastcom. T-h-e-b-o-y-s at willyousurvivethepodcastcom. And I think that pretty much covers all of our socials. Guys, make sure you find us somewhere, follow, subscribe, do all of that good stuff and, uh, hit up our comments. Please. Let us, uh, let us know you're watching the reels in all of our socials so we could say what's up probably.
Speaker 1Uh oh, if you want to. If you want to see some gaming content on tiktok, make sure to check out WIS Gaming. We're doing some gaming stuff over there. You know gaming. This is probably the biggest gap I've ever seen. One of you won by a landslide.
Speaker 3Ooh, who would that be? And it was all Heart of the.
Speaker 1Cards or the V8. I don't believe you. Hey, I was progressively just.
Speaker 2TJ.
Speaker 1Wood. Anyways, I can't actually see. I see like a bra. Anyways, as you can see it's all been written down.
Speaker 3It has been written down. I see that, but I can't really read it.
Speaker 1Somebody got 19.
Speaker 3Ooh.
Speaker 1The other person got 10.
Speaker 3I want to be very confident, but I'm really not sure.
Speaker 1Now I will switch who got 19 and who got 10, or you can stick with it. Right now I'm going to stick with it. You're going to stick with it. Yeah, I was going to roll the dice for it, whoever got the closest number.
Speaker 3No, I'm pretty confident Eric won Alex sucks.
Speaker 1I knew it. You can't come out so hard hating a movie that is number one. Really, though, I don't care. You got a more minus, alex. The minus is up to me, not up to the heart of the dice.
Speaker 2I know you suck, yeah.
Speaker 1No, you're making fun of one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 2I get it. I get it. You and Eric were doing the standing Cartwheel 69 before we started.
Speaker 1You know what you were being a little baby. You didn't want to go see this in theaters in 2009, and you're a grown-ass man nope, hey.
Speaker 3I went when I was nine and guess what?
Speaker 1it changed my life I seen this shit in 3d the fucking seeds from the tree dude, oh yeah they were flying at me, bro, with this movie I could have swore one landed on me. It was crazy.
Speaker 2Shit was great that that flight that flight battle that was the drugs you were doing that flight battle scene.
Speaker 3That was the drugs. You were doing that flight battle scene in 3D Crazy.
Speaker 2I'm sorry, that was the drugs that were in your mama's milk.
Speaker 3He was nine Again.
Speaker 2There's a reason why he connects with mother's milk.
Speaker 1I thought you were going to say why he's so large, why he's so big-minded.
Speaker 3It's like that scene of grownown-ups where he's like he's 118 months. 118 months is crazy If you say months.
Speaker 1After a year. If you say months after a year, I'm going to slap the shit out of you, because if you say fucking 14 months. You're just making me do math.
Speaker 2Yeah, we started saying year and a half If you say fucking 14 months you're just making me do math, yeah, so we started saying year and a half Like yeah, I know my wife and I said we were, you know, we were talking to each other 16 months 17, 18.
Speaker 3I think 18 months is like. After 18 months, I don't think there's any reason. There's developmental reasons to keep going by the months up until I think about it. There's yeah, there's developmental and doctoral, because you go to the doctor how many months? Yeah, but then I think after 18 years old right.
Speaker 1Well, at two years old it's every year. If I ask two, three, four, five, it is to just a person. To a person, yeah, you should just say the year, just say oh, a year and a half just over a year, if it's like you know, just say the year, just say, oh, a year and a half, just over a year, if it's like. You know, if it's below a year and a half, it's just like a little over a year, oh, it's almost a year and a half.
Speaker 2Say something like that A year and a couple of months, right Year and a month. Year and a couple of months, almost a year and a half, year and a half, just over a year and a half. Then it's about to be two.
Speaker 1He's 216 months, bitch, that's 18. What are you talking?
Speaker 3about how funny would it be if that's how we told our aged people yeah, I'm fucking 382 months.
Speaker 2Jesus. What would that be?
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't even know 216 is 18 years, right, I think.
Speaker 2A minute, hold on, let me see.
Speaker 3How many months is 18 years? You're alive me, I'm just gonna. Yeah, I'm a quarter of a century. I'm 283 months old. I'm 546 months old. Wait, how old are you, eric? You mean?
Speaker 15400. Shut up eric. 283 months, 23. So that, how many more months would that be for me?
Speaker 3I'm turning 25, well, I counted so 23 times 12, plus the seven years are the seven months that I have already passed for until my next birthday, so that's 283. Anyways what the fuck are we talking about? I didn't even. I don't know.
Speaker 1If you guys want to see some gaming content, go to WIS Gaming. Eric won. Eric didn't give a winner's speech because Eric is tired. Alex is a hoe. You never give me the opportunity give a winner's speech because Eric is tired.
Speaker 3Alex is a hoe. You never give me the opportunity for a winner's speech.
Speaker 1Do you want a?
Speaker 3winner's speech. Yeah, I'm happy to win. This was an easy victory. I already have my next movie planned. We're going to be doing the Conjuring 3 because I haven't seen it and I want to see it. And I already knew I was going to win this one because I knew. Alex's attitude going into it, it attitude going into it, it is yeah, okay. So yeah, look forward to that.
Speaker 2We're going back to the conjuring you guys both suck, and then big donkey, and then hang on.
Speaker 3One more thing. One more thing after the conjuring three. I would like to do signs if somebody else would like to do it if someone else would like to do it before me, they are more than welcome to well but that is on my list.
Speaker 1You know, I gotta go through with this first for sure have you guys heard of into the storm? I want to make you guys watch a fucking three-hour movie that is ridiculous.
Speaker 3Please give us a little bit of time because honestly, I'm not gonna lie, this week was a little rough.
Speaker 1Trying to squeeze that in um, I, I do have a different one planned, so I can, I can give. I can give some space. Alex, would you like to lose your speech, so we can fucking stop talking to each other?
Speaker 2Yeah, you guys are lame. I know that this was a standing cartwheel. Standing cartwheel 69 in the booth.
Speaker 3If we were doing that, that'd be so impressive, mostly because of our height difference.
Speaker 2No, TJ could just hold you in the air. You weigh nothing.
Speaker 3Actually I didn't really Well, how is he going to hold me in the air and cartwheel?
Speaker 2No, no, no, it's called the standing cartwheel. No, no, it's called the standing cartwheel. 69 he's standing flip shoe inverted, you guys.
Speaker 369 yeah, but if we're not rotating, then what's what's the point?
Speaker 2it would crush you, you're too small.
Speaker 3Josh, you've got it.
Speaker 2The conjuring 3 the curse of the neck rick. By the way, do you see neck rick? On on tj's avatar it's ava neck rick r R Did you just fucking hard, r that.
Speaker 3Neckrick R.
Speaker 2Neckrick.
Speaker 1R.
Speaker 3Oh, my God, All right.
Speaker 1All right, everybody ready to end.
Speaker 3Oh my God, I'm done yeah.
Speaker 1Okay, thank you all for listening. We love you all.
Speaker 2Until next time.
Speaker 1Thank you all for listening. We love you all. Alex, don't interrupt me, you're a bitch um never interrupt me again if you haven't seen avatar, watch avatar. I promise you it's worth the fucking two hours and whatever. It's only okay. Then watch the second one. Uh, it could be cut down a little bit. The second one, it could be cut down just a little bit, but uh, yeah, uh, it's been great talking guys, guys, eric, good job for winning, thank you.
