Will You Survive "1408": Evil Rooms and Mental Resilience

We dive into Stephen King's psychological thriller 1408, examining the mental fortitude required to survive a hotel room with a deadly supernatural reputation.

• Mental resilience proves crucial when facing psychological horror rather than physical threats
• The room manipulates reality and preys on personal traumas, particularly the protagonist's grief over his deceased daughter
• Documentation and evidence-gathering emerge as vital tools for maintaining sanity when reality becomes distorted
• Adaptability in extreme conditions—from triggering sprinklers during extreme heat to finding warmth during freezing temperatures
• Multiple film endings offer different interpretations of what constitutes "survival"
• The importance of recognizing warning signs and when ego drives dangerous risk-taking
• Hotel superstitions including the common practice of omitting the 13th floor
• Comparison with other Stephen King adaptations and psychological horror films

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Transcript

Welcome to Room 1408

Speaker 1 0:29

Hello survivors and welcome back to another episode of Will you Survive.

Speaker 2 0:34

The Podcast.

Speaker 1 0:36

And today we're talking about something special not Silverback Gorillas or 100 Men. We are talking about the movie 1408.

Speaker 3 0:47

You know, my favorite part about this movie was the Silverback Gorilla, played by Samuel L.

Speaker 1 0:55

Jackson.

Speaker 2 0:57

Oh, my God Wow that's crazy. That's crazy Warning. Warning, Warning on Black From the member you would least expect or most expect. That's crazy warning. Warning.

Speaker 3 1:05

warning on black from the member, you would least expect or most expect or most?

Speaker 1 1:12

there were no silverback gorillas in this movie, but there were plenty of horrifying, spooky and survival worthy things. I don't know, alex, why don't you tell them all about it?

Speaker 2 1:24

I will oh yeah, that's right, I'm alex, that's eric. He said hi, uh, I will say include your names.

Speaker 1 1:31

I'm just gonna cut where you just introduce yourselves and it's just gonna keep going. It's just it's just I'm, I'm I do gotta say this though I'm just gonna upload my audio, I'll edit it and everything like cut out all the pause I do gotta say this because in the live chat Buffy said I was like oh hell, here we go.

Speaker 2 1:49

Yeah, stick around. Clearly TJ's not done. Stick around, woo. Here is the storyline for 1408. Author Mike Enslin specializes in paranormal investigations, writing books along the line of the 10 best haunted hotels in America, and so on. Writing books along the line of the 10 best haunted hotels in America, and so on. He receives an anonymous postcard in the mail telling him not to stay in room 1408 at the Dolphin Hotel in New York City. His attempts to make a reservation there are unsuccessful and he is told that it isn't available ever. His research reveals that there have been a number of very strange deaths in that room, dating back as far as the hotel's opening 95 years ago. The hotel is forced to accept him, but the manager, gerald Olin, begs him not to stay there. In his opinion, the room is evil and no one has ever been able to stay in there for more than an hour. Enslin scoffs at the warning and is soon in the room, from which he soon becomes desperate to leave.

Speaker 1 2:45

So what'd you guys think of the movie? What do you think is a good movie? Entertaining.

Speaker 3 2:49

I think Not. Nick Cage is quickly becoming one of my maybe not favorite actors, but I like him.

Speaker 2 2:55

I like that. You said Not Nick Cage.

Speaker 3 3:00

You know, we do that at work a lot, where we have dogs who look alike and we're like oh my gosh, it's not Paloma.

Speaker 2 3:06

It'll be a dog named lucy. I like that. Uh, you know what? Because we talked about that with um 2012, not nick cage.

Speaker 1 3:11

Yeah, he could have been. Nick cage could have been where he's punching the fucking refrigerator and it's like, oh yeah he could be nicholas cage for sure where he goes rabid for a second. Yeah yeah, like come on, he guys.

Speaker 2 3:30

I'm like holy shit bro okay, he like he like lost it for a second out there survival tip if you see Samuel Jackson, can Josh see this? It'll be okay. Oh God, josh, you saw that, didn't you? That was excellent, right there.

Speaker 3 3:47

I mean, that was quite literally what he did.

Speaker 2 3:50

He went crazy. And Nick Cage could have done it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 3:56

I genuinely think, any role that John Cusack does, Nick Cage could also do.

Speaker 1 4:03

Also, why is it that him and Samuel L Jackson are just in so many movies together?

Speaker 2 4:08

Are there really so many?

Speaker 1 4:09

Yeah, remember, there's the one. Oh, he was in Cell, right, oh, cell Didn't have Samuel L Jackson, that's right yeah.

Speaker 2 4:19

Interesting.

Speaker 3 4:20

I like John Cusack. I feel like he's a good actor. I liked it.

Speaker 1 4:26

He might be a little underrated Because I've never really heard about him until now. He is the hit actor of 2009.

Speaker 2 4:32

I have not seen him in a long time. Did you just say it like that Of 2009?

Speaker 1 4:37

I was going to say 2010, but then I was like Well, okay, no, I guess if I was to be fair.

Speaker 3 4:44

That's what my wife actually says she says, she says oh, 10 she graduated 2010.

Speaker 2 4:48

You were actually more correct. I'm sorry, that was my fault. I was attributing it wrong. Oh, nine is okay. 2009 is okay. I was.

Speaker 3 4:56

I already heard 2010, which is just silly yeah, corinne always says she graduated oh 10, and I think that's hilarious I, I think so too.

Speaker 2 5:04

So I just heard in the live chat. I'm looking at this. Uh, emedyville, that oculus movie from a few years ago reminded me of 1408, so I looked it up. Oh really, I, I kind of remember this movie. I don't, I don't think oculus was really anything I'm gonna say thank you to emedyville because I think this gives us a good one to watch. Uh, we'll.

Speaker 3 5:26

We'll have to research that later, but I'm not gonna lie, I might be just a hater. I don't remember liking oculus that much really I don't remember thinking it was that great.

Speaker 1 5:36

Yeah, the one with the mirror I'm sad that you say that one with the mirror and the r word in it I think so specifically the r word watching that with my grandma and she covered my eyes no way I.

Speaker 3 5:50

I didn't like. I don't think I hated the movie, but I don't remember particularly loving it so the uh wasn't there. Like uh, there was a pretty chick who was like as a kid.

Speaker 2 6:02

I thought she's really pretty um are you saying oculus was a uh was a sequel?

Speaker 1 6:07

I don't think so. No, so what had happened is they were young.

Speaker 2 6:12

They were young kids and their parents died. And then they come back to the house later, 10 years later yeah, when they're adults and it's like it's all to do with the mirror. You, you had that right and like they have that, that creepy scene in the trailer where the um, the mannequin under the sheet behind her, when she looks in the mirror, moves yeah, it's like classic it class.

Speaker 2 6:31

Yeah, I love that you use that. That is a classic horror movie tactic, but we gotta, we gotta check that out. Eventually I will. I'll definitely check that out, but if I may, I'm down to watch it. If I may host, I'll tell you. I think once again you picked a movie that relied more on psychological strength than physical strength, and in order to talk about some survival tactics, because I want to keep this survival related as much as we can.

Speaker 1 6:59

I was thinking because you know there's like we can, we can, we can bounce off of things. Like you know, it was fucking negative five in his room.

Speaker 2 7:07

At one point it was like 100 in his room at one point which I do have a couple of things to say about that. If you want to jump right in, yeah, let's jump right in so the first thing I would say is in something like this, we're talking about psychological horror, um psychological thriller, but you're being tested psychologically First and foremost. I think everybody's going to agree you need mental resilience.

Speaker 3 7:30

Yeah.

Speaker 2 7:30

You have to have mental strength.

Speaker 3 7:32

We were talking about this where, sorry, tj. We tend to do this.

Speaker 3 7:36

We tend to talk about the movies like right before we record but, we were talking about how I don't remember if I brought this up, but when he pulled the Bible out and he was like fine, you win.

Speaker 3 7:46

And he went to read the Bible and then there was nothing there, that was painful. Honestly, that that hurt me because it's like when you finally gave up, when you, when you gave in and you're like I need God more than ever, the movie makes it out as if like, oh, and then it wasn't there for you. Um, but that's where I kind of felt like I think if I was in this situation I'm not saying this would mean I would survive, but I do have that like if something were to come up to me and be like oh God doesn't love you, you're not going to heaven. I think I have the, the wherewithal or the, the mindset or the knowledge enough to be like well, you're clearly lying to me, you don't know shit. If that's what you think, and that I feel could keep you grounded. And I think that's something that he kind of suffered with in this movie, where he started to lose grip of what was reality and what was true and what wasn't.

Speaker 2 8:38

Right right, which, frankly speaking, I think what he did really well in that regard, because he was struggling so much to determine what was real, what was hallucination, if you will was recording which I don't want to get there too soon, but that came in very big at the end.

Speaker 3 8:53

Well, that's. It's weird because it's like it wasn't real, but also it clearly was.

Speaker 2 8:58

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 8:59

It had the ability to, like, actually conjure up shit.

Speaker 2 9:02

Right, exactly Actually.

Mental Resilience in Psychological Horror

Speaker 3 9:04

So I kind of want to talk about what was it olin uh, the hotel manager. Yeah, yeah, I think that was right so something that he said, where, um, uh, john cusack's character, what's his name?

Speaker 3 9:16

mike enslin enslin, where enslin says, um, the specter does this, and olin goes I never used the word specter and he goes okay, spirit, ghost, what do you want to call it? He goes the room's fucking, yeah, that room's fucking evil. He goes it's not a spirit, it's not a specter, it's not a. The room is fucking evil. And so it's interesting that it wasn't, uh, it wasn't like this one thing it was was the entire room, but I so that kind of leads me to my question for you guys what do you guys think it was? Is it demonic or is it just as vague as the movie says it is? It's just the room.

Speaker 2 9:55

So okay For me. Um, first a quick shout out. You know, brock Pierce. Yes, I agree, this movie is really freaking good. Pierce, yes, I agree, this movie is really freaking good. One of the things that I would say is you're supposed to feel like you don't know whether it's real or not. What is real, what's not, and I think we came to the conclusion all the way to the very end. They make you feel that way, which, at what point do you realistically say, my mind is going to snap, and clearly there were many people before him enslin who did snap yeah, they gave up which I 58.

Speaker 2 10:33

That's an insane amount.

Speaker 1 10:34

What I yeah, what I believe, is what they said. 58 is crazy and he was still like I'm gonna go in there yeah, I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 3 10:41

I think I survived this movie because I have no ego to do that. I have no desire to be like oh, 58 people have unalived themselves in this room. I'm gonna go into that room. That seems like there's a pattern there it seems like as a as any human with a brain. You should be able to look at that and go. I don't care if it's real or not.

Speaker 2 11:02

I'm not gonna do that you know if I, if I may host. I think you were trying to say something, so I want to give you a minute if you wanted to say something one point to alex wow, I'll take it I feel like I've never heard that if, um, if you want, I will, I will go forward with what I was gonna say.

Speaker 1 11:19

Oh, sorry about that.

Speaker 2 11:21

But what, uh? What I do carry forward with the psychological twists of this movie is one of the things that makes this different than anything else is that he was also struggling emotionally, spiritually and psychologically with the death of his daughter. So because he had to deal with that, he's, like you know, uh, more susceptible, if you will. So when they I don't know I I'm saying they, but what are we talking about? The spirits, the hotel, whatever it was sent him that that postcard, it knew he was vulnerable and it kind of I got the feeling that it kind of also knew that he was mocking the spirit realm, if you will. So I was yeah, it's all fake, come here. And so it was like a taunt, which I still think that you could be right. I think I would hope for myself, because I do have a strong belief and faith in the afterlife, that I wouldn't be tempted to go do something like that, which I do think is ego.

Speaker 3 12:22

It definitely because it was. It's kind of. It's something that olin in one of the hallucinations said. That kind of rings true where olin said um, why did you come here? And he go and enslin goes, it was the job and he goes. That's basically olin goes. That was a bullshit response. Like you're here to crush dreams. How many dreams have you crushed before? Like you keep doing this? Why do people believe in ghosts? It's not because they want to be scared. They believe in ghosts because they want to believe that there's something beyond death and how. And you seek out to crush that in people.

Speaker 3 12:54

Right, and I do think that's interesting.

Speaker 2 12:56

Which, by the way, guys, in a previous episode that we covered, we touched on a topic very similar, which was the haunting of Hill House. We covered, we touched on a topic very similar, which was the haunting of Hill House, the elder brother was kind of with that attitude of no, I'm just going to debunk all of this nonsense. I would like to say in our live chat, devin Mays says why this movie have so many alternate endings and which was the best.

Speaker 3 13:19

So, tj, maybe you guys can tell us.

Speaker 1 13:22

Okay, I only knew about one.

Speaker 3 13:23

Yeah, tj, you lead us with this, maybe you guys can tell us?

Speaker 1 13:25

Okay, because I only knew about one. Yeah, yeah, I brought it to Eric's attention that there are multiple, because he was there for the last half of the movie when I was watching it and we got to the end and he was like that's not what I remember, and then just to like fuck with him. I'm like well, Eric, that's because the ending that you see isn't the ending that everybody else sees, or some shit like that uh and he was like shut the fuck up, and I'm like oh no, I'm dead ass.

Speaker 3 13:48

So yeah, I thought he was fucking with me, and then we found out there's four alternate endings and there are four alternate endings because they just could not make up their goddamn minds so tj says that. Tj says that different dvds have different endings I okay, so I didn't.

Speaker 2 14:05

I can't say that. I can confirm that different dvds, but I can confirm that they did play a trick on the audience. They wanted different people to see different endings. Uh, it was intended to be a psychological trick, for I'm thinking that it was for this purpose. It didn't specifically state it from the producers or director or anybody, but the psychological trick was that you would go and talk to me and say, oh my god, what about the ending? And I'm like what? You didn't watch the movie, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 14:32

it didn't end like that a lot more if the internet wasn't a thing when this came out which I mean it was a thing in 2007, but you got to admit it would not have been way less yeah, nobody would have known like this, it would have been on some reddit forum or something, but it wouldn't have been widespread.

Speaker 1 14:49

Youtube wasn't even a thing yet yeah, it was yeah, but but no no, youtube was a thing, but not a widespread thing right, people were.

Speaker 2 14:57

No, people were not making videos the, the only it was the numa, numa kid yeah, it was shit like that.

Speaker 3 15:02

Nobody was was making videos like debunking the four endings of nobody was doing shit like that.

Speaker 1 15:08

There was still like blogs and shit.

Speaker 3 15:10

But that's what I mean. You would have to find it on some Reddit forum or something about 1408.

Speaker 2 15:15

So wait, but real quick to answer Devin May's question. Do you guys have a favorite? Did you watch all four of them?

Speaker 3 15:21

Yes, the one that we watched is my favorite that's your favorite the one where the wife hears the little girl's voice on the recording.

Speaker 1 15:27

So because there's that's the theatrical version different version where he listens to the tape and she's like in the background and she doesn't hear yeah, so there's two endings.

Speaker 3 15:37

That one ending is the one that we saw another one is basically the exact same one we saw, except except she never hears the voice on his recording, he just hears it himself. I think that's very lackluster. That's why I like the one we hear where she hears the voice of their daughter and she realizes holy fuck, you're not kidding.

Speaker 2 15:56

You went through that this really happened. Yep.

Speaker 3 15:58

And this is a physical real thing from it.

Speaker 2 16:02

So now TJ, what are the other two endings?

Speaker 1 16:04

Okay so where he dies where, yeah, he, there's the survival ones they all play. It plays out exactly the same, except for that last part, um. And then there is the one where, yeah, he blows up the room. That's the like, the common theme. He always blows up the room, um, he ends up dying, cuts to his funeral. His wife is there with his uh editor or whatever, his uh dude publisher. Um, yep and dude, uh, samuel jackson's character walks up. He's like hey, I got these uh possessions from the room if you wanted them. And his wife's like, no, keep them, I don't want them so he gets in the car.

Speaker 1 16:41

He opens the box full stuff and he finds the tape recorder that the main character's been using the whole movie plays.

Speaker 3 16:47

It hears what he hears in the other endings like the little girl and all that, and then he looks in the mirror and then there's just a jump scare, a fucking mic. He looks in the rearview mirror and it's burned mic. So here's why I don't like that what about?

Speaker 2 17:05

was there not an episode where, uh, he burns and he stays trapped in the room?

Speaker 1 17:11

yes yeah, so after that it cuts to him as a ghost in the room, it's all like burnt. And then the other ending, um, I think it still has the funeral. But it doesn't show samuel jack character. It shows the editor or the publisher goes back to New York, goes sits at his desk. He has this mail, he goes through the mail and that book, that 1408. That, yeah, the 1408 book by Enslin. That Enslin wrote in the little made-up world he was in shows up in the real world. That's kind of cool.

Inside the Evil Room

Speaker 3 17:44

That ending makes you believe that he received the first copy of 1408, the one that Enslin made when he thought he left the room but he never did. That's the book that the editor got, or the publisher. I like that ending.

Speaker 1 17:59

I think that's interesting.

Speaker 3 18:01

I don't like the ending where what's-his-face Olin publisher. I like that ending. I think that's interesting. I don't like the ending where uh, where what's his face? Um olin sees, uh, gerald olin, but olin where, uh, olin sees um enslin in the back of his car. I don't like that, because the whole thing about the the room was that it was the room, yeah, so like how is he?

Speaker 3 18:19

all the way out and haunting him outside just doesn't seem right, as owen said, it's just a evil ass room yeah, well, as he said, this is as far as I get to that room, unless it's that time of the month, yep, there was no reports of it ever haunting people outside of the room, right?

Speaker 2 18:34

so kind of a week ending on that one. I didn't love that one kind of a week ending on the. Uh, the one where he gets out plays the tape, but his wife doesn't hear it yeah only he hears it now. Here's something that that, uh, I want to bring up, because we covered and just released the uh episode of the life of pie, right? I think that was the one that just came out today, if I'm not mistaken right yes will you survive life of pie tigers, shipwrecks and acid islands, which is a fun episode.

Speaker 2 19:03

Go check it out, guys. The thing that I would like to point out regarding this is the ending. I would like to say it was only two endings. Since you guys say both of those other two suck, can we just say two main endings?

Speaker 1 19:16

Yeah, I think he should live. Either the one where he lives and his wife hears his daughter on the tape, or the one where he dies and he's trapped in the room if we're going with just two endings, that could be like the canon ones, I think him living and his wife hearing it and then him dying and his editor or publisher gets the book gets the book.

Speaker 2 19:38

I think that those are the coolest ones I agree and what I would like to say and I need you guys to kind of stretch your imaginations here, but I think the similarity is worth pointing out that this is the same kind of tactic and trick that they pull on us in the Life of Pi. Which ending do you want?

Speaker 3 19:56

That's true. Well, yeah, Life of Pi just kind of leaves it more vague to where you can interpret the ending.

Speaker 1 20:01

This one kind of messes with you, different ending, which is okay because it is plausible in like the life of pi this one is like it's, it's so wild.

Speaker 2 20:11

Uh, they're so wildly different, but the same also common theme why the fuck does what's?

Speaker 1 20:18

it's the main character's actor, john q insulinusack Enslin.

Speaker 2 20:21

Yeah, john Cusack, why is he a?

Speaker 1 20:23

fucking writer in every movie that we watch with him in. What the fuck is up with that? He wasn't a writer in Cell.

Speaker 2 20:31

He was a writer in Cell. He was a writer in 2012. Why is he a fucking?

Speaker 1 20:35

writer in every fucking movie that he's in. That's great, john.

Speaker 3 20:40

Cusack's manager is like I have the movie for you. You're a writer, and John Cusack's like I do look like a writer.

Speaker 1 20:49

You look so much like a failed author. So the director?

Speaker 2 20:52

said it came down to you or Nicolas Cage, but they said that the character is a failed.

Speaker 1 20:59

With child issues.

Speaker 3 21:01

We were thinking Nick Cage, cage. But then we thought this is right up your alley right up your alley.

Speaker 2 21:06

You're a divorced writer with an estranged wife and child.

Speaker 3 21:11

You never get to see them. And for this movie they're like hear me out, it's a little different than you're used to. You're an estranged writer and your daughter died, but you're not divorced yet.

Speaker 1 21:22

It's unclear and it's like holy shit, I'm branching in, yeah, and then you get back with your wife in the end it's fucking maybe my in one of the endings.

Speaker 2 21:35

So, um, one of the things I would like to to say we already talked about the mental resilience, the recording evidence. Uh, can we talk a little bit about all of the attempts to escape which I think, when it comes to survival, the fact that he kept trying like he just he wanted to, he was really resilient.

Speaker 1 21:55

We can tie this into like surviving, like a kidnapping of sorts you know, you, could you, yeah, for sure you know you could take survival out of any story that we watch.

Speaker 3 22:05

Let's watch boys in the hood eric wants to watch that. No, I didn't necessarily say that I will watch it with you, but oh my god um.

Speaker 1 22:14

Can I tell you guys where I die? Fucking edge dude, I would fall I die there yeah, 100, no, the second knees.

Speaker 3 22:21

They did so good at illustrating the panic. The second I realized that that window Is not there, that it's not where I thought it would be and there's no window for the rest of the way To the edge of the building. That moment the panic I would have fallen right there. I think the panic would have caused me to be like I would rather just die right now Than have to deal with this panic.

Speaker 1 22:43

I don't think I can handle it. Yeah, no, I yeah, I'm not afraid of heights, but if I'm in a high spot, it's an involuntary thing where my legs get wibbly yeah, there's no way.

Speaker 2 22:52

I am scared of so again we have uh, we have someone in the chat who's just staying completely on point here. He was looking at um our comments regarding jonathan Cusack being a writer in everything. He caught one where he's finally not a writer oh, in the movie Serendipity, where who has heard of that movie? I actually did. I don't know that that makes it any better because of how much you guys make fun of me for being old, because it was 2001.

Speaker 3 23:16

1850?. Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 23:19

They didn't make movies back then, but it was uh, so you saw a play it was john and kate beckinsale and uh, it was. He was an espn uh producer. I suppose you would call it right was he a writer for espn? Uh, you know, I would like to like finagle that and make it so, because I think that could fit pretty well. Uh, so, now josh, freaking josh, he's actually making a good one.

Speaker 1 23:47

Did you know that they built individual modular rooms to set all that up? And it wasn't cgi, says josh that's a lot of freaking work the water, the water, the, the frozen that's dope.

Speaker 3 24:00

That's really cool. That makes me like the movie, yeah, yeah that the the frozen room was fucking.

Speaker 2 24:06

It's cool, I like that because didn't he try to get out in the air conditioning ducts? Oh yeah, what?

Speaker 1 24:12

what fucking building has vents those size where you can?

Speaker 3 24:17

right, thank you, like I think about this all the time.

Speaker 1 24:20

I just never talk about it like who the fuck can crawl through a vent like that. So I can say this, I can say this all the time. I just never talk about it like who the fuck can crawl through a vent like that so I can say this.

Speaker 2 24:25

I could say this for a fact. I know in the building that I work in it has ducts about that big but I could most certainly crawl through them you could, I would, I wouldn't, I would not dispute that. But, frankly speaking, hotels do not. They don't have number one, they don't have vents going from room to room yeah and uh number two most well, privacy. Most rooms also have the uh singular air conditioning.

Speaker 3 24:52

Yeah, the window it's a, it's an ac.

Speaker 2 24:55

What is it called? Uh? The heater is called uh a radiator no, no, no, because it's. It's the same unit. It's an ac and heater. It's a. Hmtac. Yeah, but what do they call it? A reverse? They call it a. It's like a.

Speaker 1 25:09

I'm with you. I'm with you.

Speaker 2 25:10

It's not reverse polarity, but it's Basically it works in reverse to bring you heat.

Speaker 3 25:16

Okay.

Speaker 2 25:23

So, instead of running air over the cold coils, it runs air over the cold coils. It runs air over the hot coils, which every air conditioner has. It has condenser coils and it has, uh, compressed coils and it has condenser coils. Okay, is that right, condense. Well, it has low pressure and high pressure. High pressure is going to be really high temperature. Low pressure is going to be really low temperature, because every refrigerant reacts directly to its pressure. Um, good old r40, which was way back in the day, or R12 was even older. R12 used to be one for one. So if the PSI was 40, it was 40 degrees, if it was 220, it was 220 degrees. And so, yeah, so that you would always have high pressure and low pressure. So it would go high pressure to cool off because it would get air from the front of your car I've used car or your, your outdoor, um, your outdoor air handler sure and it would run air over it to cool it down a little bit.

Speaker 2 26:10

Then it would go back into the the low pressure and it would be really cold lines. Air blows over it.

Speaker 3 26:16

So there's no reason for ducts in the in's just we could go to any hotel, an old building, do you? Do you think they will? Might've done that in the past.

Speaker 2 26:29

I honestly I would have to defer more to like an old luxury hotel building. I've been to a lot of hotels and I've never seen anything like that.

Speaker 3 26:39

Even, even in downtown.

Speaker 2 26:41

LA.

Speaker 1 26:42

Let's let's ask our handy dandy friend, who I paid $20 a month, think that the vents would be wood to crawl through and old to do a die hard wooden, so while you're looking that, old hotel devin mays says I was in an amazon warehouse once and ducts in there were huge.

Speaker 2 27:00

I completely buy that, because that's a humongous warehouse.

Speaker 3 27:03

It's a warehouse, an old luxury hotel in new york have. What are we asking? Oh my god, I love it uh air conditioning vents yeah, uh I guess they would be called hvac ducts hvac ducts?

Speaker 3 27:19

I think so big chris says I'm six, two 370 pounds, I'm cooked lol yes, an old luxury hotel in new york would likely have hvac ducts to uh today, but it might, uh it may not have originally been built with them. Uh, pre-1950s hotels, the uh. These were usually built before modern hvac systems. They might have had radiators for heating and window units for chiller systems added later for cooling. Duct work was not common in their original construction Modernization. Most luxury hotels in New York have undergone multiple renovations. Okay, so I guess fair to say that they likely wouldn't Welcome back to the Ductcast.

Speaker 1 28:00

Today we're talking about our favorite air ducts, by the way. Say hi to.

Speaker 2 28:03

Kit duct cast. Today we're talking about our favorite air ducts. By the way, say hi to Kit Keanu guys. You guys remember Kit Keanu? He was in here before Hi.

Speaker 1 28:09

Keanu, that's Brandon Hi Brandon. Oh, what up? Brandon Hi Brandon Brandon. So okay, but yeah, nobody's fitting in those ducts other than Eric.

Speaker 3 28:26

I think eric would survive in this situation. I would lose my shit if I found something trying to crawl after me in a duck dude, I'd lose my shit.

Escape Attempts and Survival Tactics

Speaker 2 28:32

There's no way and, by the way they always make it, they always over exaggerate the size when people are able to turn around and go back the way they were, because even even you at your size, you would have to back out that claustrophobia that I would have at that moment would be too much and, honestly, 90 degree turns would be hell yeah, well it's like um, it's like fucking what's the?

Speaker 1 28:53

it's buried the duct is like the size of like the coffin and buried how are you?

Speaker 3 28:58

turning around that easily, you know you just use one of the other coffins there's just a freaking decaying dude in the vent yeah, I would lose my shit if that started crawling after me. I would lose it.

Speaker 1 29:16

Yeah, the vent, the van's got a little bit of smell to it once it starts up, but it'll calm down in a minute. I would die of a heart attack.

Speaker 3 29:27

Like I'm not kidding. If it's, if I start crawling after me, that's it I. I would die of a heart attack right then, and there that fear would be too much no, but like, how's it gonna?

Speaker 1 29:35

it was like, help me, and then it started chasing after him. Nah, dog, you want to help you.

Speaker 3 29:41

Chill the fuck out yeah, what the fuck are you doing, rushing me for help?

Speaker 2 29:45

let me get out first rehydrate you the fuck away from me go that way after I pass you, because that room filled with water, homie I would go drink the rug water.

Speaker 3 30:00

Ew, oh yeah, when he slid across the rug, when he grabbed the Bible, when he slid on it, he was just sitting all up on it.

Speaker 2 30:10

Speaking of which, another thing for general survival we've talked about this a lot in a lot of episodes is just survivability is going to increase when you can adapt to your environment better. Now, this guy was pretty, uh, adaptive, but he was pretty ingenious with the things that he did setting off the sprinklers right, he was overheating. He sets off the sprinklers to stay cool. Um, he, I know, I mean, one of the things that I, I think he did that, unfortunately, I can relate to, was going for the alcohol, which is a little problematic.

Speaker 1 30:47

It's a common myth that alcohol warms you up.

Speaker 3 30:51

You know like.

Speaker 1 30:52

Snow dogs, like the big St Bernard's. You know, back in the day they used to have like a little barrel under their neck. They used to have alcohol in it Because they're like oh it warms you up?

Speaker 2 31:03

No, it just makes you feel warm, but it dehydrates you and will cool you faster.

Speaker 3 31:09

Yeah Well, also like the fact that he was drinking. That is insane to me. You start first of all.

Speaker 1 31:15

You're going in with this hard. I don't believe in ghosts.

Speaker 3 31:17

You're going in with this hard I don't believe in ghosts mentality Then you start to experience some shit and you're like, oh shit, nah, but nah, ghosts don't exist and your thought is to just keep drinking. I would want to be as sober as possible in that situation, wasn't?

Speaker 1 31:32

he already experiencing shit when the maintenance guy came up.

Speaker 2 31:36

Yes.

Speaker 1 31:37

Bro had he could have left then the door was open, exactly which I would have left so much sooner.

Speaker 3 31:43

But he didn't want to be yeah, he didn't want to believe it was real. Yeah, he wanted to be like no, this is all bullshit. They're playing a trick on me. But the second that stuff started happening I'd have been like absolutely not. If I even made it that far, I'd have been like absolutely not, I'm fucking out of here now, I think both of you guys liked the cube movies, right yeah, like tj.

Speaker 2 32:01

So devon says john cusack probably watched all the cube movies before he booked a night in 1408, which is really freaking good, because all of the puzzles, all of the uh, the tight spaces, all of the necessary thought process under pressure when you're scared to death, really came in handy for him, didn't it? John Cusack? That is in 1408. He really did a good job of thinking on his head feet as he's being put under pressure in every situation. He's being chased by ghosts. He's walking on a ledge along the outside of a freaking hotel. What do we suspect?

Speaker 3 32:42

It has to be you could easily say 14th floor, right, yeah, I mean 140 feet. Oh, you know one mystery they never solved what where olin mentioned um, just like people don't believe that there's a 13th floor, and then it looks up at the numbers on the elevator and it goes 12 14 oh, yeah, it goes 12 14.

Speaker 2 33:01

There's no 13. The 13th there's usually no exit on the elevator for the 13th floor. So in many of the mid-rises and high-rises that I've worked in or visited, there's no elevator stop on the 13th. It stops on the 12th and you have to take the stairs up to the 13th. Why, I don't know. I can't really answer.

Speaker 1 33:25

It's a superstition thing, and you know one plus four plus zero plus eight is 13. Oh, that's interesting yeah, um, but like it's so stupid okay, I like that, you know everybody has their superstitions, but like it's a number, I like that.

Speaker 3 33:42

I like that explanation.

Speaker 2 33:44

Triskaidekaphobia, the fear of the number 13.

Speaker 3 33:47

Oh, that's interesting, that's random.

Speaker 2 33:50

It has deep historical roots, with associations ranging from Judas being the 13th guest at the last supper to ancient Norse myths, there were 13 colonies to start America.

Speaker 3 34:03

Oh my God, who was number 13?

Speaker 2 34:04

Developers often omit the 13th floor or rename it as 12A or M, mechanical or mezzanine to avoid unsettling superstitious tenants and guests. Studies have even shown that apartments on the 13th floor sell less frequently, making it a practical decision for real estate. 13th floor sell less frequently, making it a practical decision for real estate. Interestingly, some famous buildings do have a 13th floor, including the empire state building and hilton international hotels in china. A similar superstition leads to the omission of the fourth floor yeah, as the word four, looking that up sounds like death.

Speaker 2 34:41

Would you stay on the 13th floor?

Speaker 3 34:43

Yeah, or would you prefer?

Speaker 2 34:44

to skip it.

Speaker 3 34:46

I mean, I'm not going to lie. If it was like, do you want to stay on the 13th or 14th floor? This might come up and I'm like 14th, I guess. But, in reality, in my mind, the logical side, this doesn't fucking make a difference.

Speaker 2 35:01

It really doesn't.

Speaker 3 35:03

It's which floor. The fact that China has one and theirs is the fourth floor just makes me realize it's just bullshit.

Speaker 2 35:11

I like that. It says it's Old Norse as well. I love Norse mythology. I really would like to figure out what the 13th like, what their superstition is. I don't know it.

Speaker 3 35:21

That's interesting. I didn't know that was a thing yeah yeah so I knew after uh

Speaker 2 35:27

in uh china, but continue after uh, we talk about adapting to the environment, which I think the guy did really well, uh, except for, understandably, when he quote unquote got out and he was at the beach and then he realized I didn't get out, that I mean, that was effed up, man, and yeah, that's devastating they were about at the right time of the movie that I thought it could be over yeah and it brought me back and, honestly, I thought that I felt like the director did a great job of making me feel as desperate as he was, because I was like, oh my god, I thought it was over.

Speaker 2 36:01

And most, uh, most scary movies, if you will psychological thrillers, horrors they tend to run a little short. You know that, like I think most of these movies run a typical hour and 30 minutes. 90 minute movie. This was just slightly longer, at an hour 44, I thought. I thought it could have been for that reason that they mess with you at first and then bring you back into the hotel again for a little bit.

Speaker 3 36:27

I think it was really well done because I genuinely thought he was out. The first time I did, I thought he was out too.

Speaker 1 36:33

They gave it like a probable thing, like he passed out on the beach earlier in the movie.

Speaker 3 36:39

And then the thing.

Speaker 1 36:40

He woke up and he looks up and he sees 1408 on the little plane banner.

Speaker 3 36:46

So he's like, oh my god, actually that actually, so that tipped me off, that it wasn't real really yeah, because, first of all, unless you got knocked out with your eyes open, if, if you got knocked out with your eyes open and your brain subconsciously saw 1408 in the sky, sure, but when he awoke he was like fluttering his eyes, open your brain. You can't take in a stimulus that you can't see, even subconsciously.

Speaker 2 37:13

I will tell you so that tipped me off.

Speaker 3 37:15

Also the fact that when he woke up at the hospital and his wife was like, oh yeah, I guess I'm still your emergency contact, I flew all the way from new york I don't know, I didn't.

Speaker 1 37:25

I was like the choice to me.

Speaker 3 37:28

I was like, that didn't make me, that didn't make me feel like that was real wait hold on tj.

Speaker 2 37:33

Can you elaborate the choice of editing at that part?

Speaker 1 37:35

wakes up on the beach right yeah passes back out is in the hospital cuts to them at what dinner cuts to another place. Cuts to another place. Cuts to him. Finally, like he like wrote the book or whatever, and then he's like going to take it to the uh like post office. Um you know, it's like the weird cuts to like other places that we've.

Speaker 2 37:52

Only it was kind of seen in the beginning of the movie, there were no new places but wait, they did lead us to believe that him and his wife, his ex-wife, were back together. Right, yeah, even in the premonition.

Speaker 3 38:03

Yeah, if you will it was kind of fragmented, but I know what tj means it was. It was fragmented in that it kind of just like and then this happens, and now this happens, and now this happens, and it wasn't, you know so much telling a story, as it was just like oh, let's wrap it up sure, no, you guys caught on that.

Speaker 2 38:18

I didn't catch that. I, I actually I.

Speaker 1 38:20

It's like the room is only going. It only knows shit from his memories. It's like replying to shit it can't fully.

Speaker 3 38:26

Yeah, exactly Interesting.

Speaker 2 38:27

Which is why it reused people.

The Beach Illusion

Speaker 3 38:29

Interesting and that's what fully tipped him off when he finally realized wait, I've seen that face before.

Speaker 2 38:36

I totally get that you guys are Okay. So I didn't see that when I first watched it, and what this reveals to me is that I was psychologically exhausted by the time I got to the end. Because, I was ready for it to be over, and so which explains why, when he went back in, I was like oh, come on, I was still tricked by it.

Speaker 3 39:00

But looking back on it I'm like I understand why I felt so uneasy about it. Okay, because I thought I was like, oh, he's out. But a little part of me the whole time was like it just doesn't feel right, it was literally Something is wrong.

Speaker 1 39:15

All of the same places.

Speaker 3 39:17

And that's really good.

Speaker 1 39:18

He used people from his memories, but also added people from the people he's seen in the hotel. I think that's all people from his memories but exactly added people from the people you've seen in the hotel because, like I, think that's what he was doing face. You know it can't make new faces I think that was.

Speaker 3 39:30

That was his thing too. Is he, was he, I think? He felt uneasy about it the whole time and it seemed like he was just so ready to be out of the room that he was willing to accept it, even though it just wasn't right and he knew it. He kept saying he was like so ready to be out of the room that he was willing to accept it, even though it just wasn't right and he knew it. He kept saying he was like it just felt so real, like it just didn't seem right so okay, now we have to.

Speaker 2 39:54

We have to achieve a goal here that I I thought of for the ending, not just life of pie, we just kind of which one feels better. I think we've established that there's only two real possibilities. The other two, whatever they could be, whatever the one is, he burned the room down and got out, his wife heard his recording of his daughter and believed everything that he said happened did happen to him in that room. Then you have the other one, where he burned the room and he burned with it and his, his soul is trapped in that room. So I said I brought up life of pie because this is up to this, is up to you listeners. It's up to us. We have to decide for ourselves, but it's up to you, listeners, to figure out which ending do you prefer. What's the quote-unquote real ending?

Speaker 3 40:45

So for me, the real ending, the ending that I think makes the most sense, is that he dies because nobody survives that backdraft that he created.

Speaker 2 40:59

The backdraft would have like.

Speaker 3 41:01

He would have died immediately.

Speaker 1 41:02

It kills firefighters, yeah, in their whole suit, you know.

Speaker 3 41:05

In their full gear. That kills firefighters. He created a backdrop that exploded the whole room we watched the flames engulf him. If he didn't die from the explosion, he died from the flames. The guy isn't surviving. My preferred ending is the one where he survives and his wife hears Katie's voice. At the end. The one I think is most realistic is that he dies there, and I like the psychological aspect that somehow that book makes it to his publisher.

Speaker 1 41:32

I think that's a really, yeah, I think, yeah, tie in him dying, plus the the publisher one, I think that's a. That's a top tier ending. Cut the one that, oh, he's in the back of his car yeah, I hate that. Yeah, I completely agree with that. Interesting Also.

Speaker 2 41:50

I'm going with the one where he actually gets out, and for a reason. I like that one, not just because you know plausibility, yay, nay, whatever you have to ask yourself. The question is in that room, did everything really happen, including him setting it on fire? Did it really happen or was he being controlled and manipulated and he was saved because he broke out of it by doing the one thing that the room could not manipulate he sacrificed himself?

Speaker 3 42:23

That is kind of an interesting point, where none of the other victims of that room ever sought to destroy the room no, they just.

Speaker 1 42:30

They just sought to end it to end their suffering.

Speaker 3 42:33

It was kind of selfish, you know, and he was the first to be selfless and go. But I we discussed this. I don't know how much of it was ego or just like a stubbornness, because I think I have that kind of stubbornness where I'm like, if you've completely backed me into a corner, I'm not going to go out your way, I'm going to take you down with me.

Speaker 3 42:54

If I'm going to go down, I'm going to be petty about it and you're going to come down with me If there's no other choice for me, you best believe I'm taking you down too.

Speaker 2 43:02

Yeah. I'm not going to like what other choice do do I have? So I kind of I agree with that. So that's, that's where I leave it. I think I kind of not only do I want the movie to end that way, I enjoyed it, I also think that kind of the way we said that the room is limited in its power, that it can't create new people, it also won't really allow itself to be destroyed.

Speaker 1 43:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2 43:27

You know, I wonder how much of that was really real.

Speaker 3 43:31

Well. So that's an interesting point the ending where Olin is haunted by Enslin in the back of his car. There's a moment where Enslin is talking to or not Enslin, sorry, olin is talking to Enslin's wife and he approaches her after they lower the casket into the grave and he offers her the stuff and he basically says like hey, you know, I, I knew your husband, and when we were cleaning out the room we found his belongings. I thought you might want them. And she was like I, I actually don't. And he was like are you sure? Like this is what. What he did was incredible, like because of him, the room will never open again. And and that was when the publisher stepped in and was like look, dude, she's been through enough. Like can we leave this? Do you what? What are you doing here? And olin was like okay, yeah, of course. But olin was like olin said like his death wasn't in vain, right, like he did something incredible. That room will never open again.

Speaker 2 44:23

And so if we take that premise and that's consistent, I think amongst all the endings where you know the room would never come back from this- you bring something up with that, though Because of what you see, I never saw that ending and because of what you just said, if Olin said it like that, gerald Olin but I like Olin, he also in his office was drinking and said well done.

Speaker 1 44:48

There was a cut scene of him saying said well done. There was a cut scene of him saying well done.

Speaker 2 44:51

If that all happened like that, then that does make sense, because he wouldn't be haunted in the room. He's out. It's kind of sad because he's still screwed. He's haunting Olin now.

Speaker 1 45:03

Yeah, no.

Speaker 3 45:05

Oh, I kind of see what you mean.

Speaker 1 45:06

If the room got destroyed, maybe the spirits were released, maybe all the spirits were released. Yeah, maybe all the spirits were released and he's just the last one. Maybe.

Speaker 2 45:14

But he's attached to his wife. Maybe he's hoping to get some kind of closure.

Speaker 3 45:20

Did you guys know Jennifer Love Hewitt over there?

Speaker 1 45:22

That this is the third Stephen King movie we have done.

Speaker 2 45:28

I can't believe. It's just the third.

Speaker 2 45:30

You have no idea how the mist and cell yeah yeah, it doesn't surprise me you have no idea how big of a stephen king fan I was in high school. I've I've read almost every one of his books. Uh, my favorite, my favorite books of his really didn't fall into the horror category like any of these Christine Cujo, pet, sematary. None of the ones that my favorite were came from the Dark Tower series. Now they made a movie that I'm really frustrated that they tried that. I wish they wouldn't have tried to make a movie because they tried to put eight books into an hour and a half.

Speaker 1 46:07

I think it could have been an animated fucking thing, because they tried to put eight books into an hour and a half. You're never going to do that. It could have been an animated fucking thing.

Speaker 2 46:12

I wish they would have done a Netflix series yeah series, animated thing.

Speaker 3 46:16

Ten episodes per book, A limited series.

Speaker 2 46:19

It would have been an eight-season series Drawn out. You got eight seasons, ten episodes per season. It would have been perfect.

Speaker 3 46:27

I think they could have even done like an eight to ten episode limited series, and that could probably be better than trying to shove it all into an hour and a half movie, because at least you have an hour to tell each book, rather than trying to shove eight books into an hour and a half I don't think they could because the books were pretty big.

Speaker 3 46:45

I don't think they could have done an hour per book but harry potter it well, harry pot, actually harry potter's, like two hours they were like two hours per, and some of them were even longer.

Speaker 2 46:54

Yeah, the last one was split up into two yeah, well, so was the. Well, the book was fucking massive so I don't think that they could have.

Speaker 3 47:02

If they wanted to do it justice, I don't think they could have done that yeah, I agree, I think that's, I think that's for a lot of uh, movie adaptations from books but I get really mad because, uh, what's his name?

Multiple Endings and Final Theories

Speaker 2 47:14

um matthew mcconaughey played an excellent man in black. That was exactly how I saw it happening. He walks up to there's a little boy, jake, human, who could see the other world. He walks up up Jake ran away. The man in black is hunting him because he knows Jake has met with the gunslinger. So the man in black, who's a sorcerer, walks up to his mom and his stepdad and he tells them he's in their house and he's cooking. And he says, pardon me, where I'm from we don't have chicken. And he's cooking this chicken on the grill. And when he walks up to the stepdad, he to him he's like you called me here not by the telephone, but by every wish that you had to get rid of that brat so you could be her number one. And then he starts talking. He was like stop breathing.

Speaker 1 47:56

And the guy, just like collapses on the ground, stops right, like that's how powerful of a sorcerer he was what um samuel jackson character said that electronics don't work in the room.

Speaker 2 48:06

The laptop.

Speaker 1 48:06

Yeah, he used his tape recorder, which is electronic. He used the laptop electronic, the TV electronic.

Speaker 3 48:15

Also, the lights worked Well, the TV didn't really work, but the lights also worked. But here's the thing the TV didn't really work. So here's my thing. Did any of those things actually work, or was the room leading him to believe that they were working?

Speaker 1 48:32

I think they were actually because his wife showed up in the ending, remember, yeah.

Speaker 3 48:36

So it was working.

Speaker 1 48:37

Yeah, that's interesting and it was able to control the laptop.

Speaker 3 48:41

Huh, I don't know. I would chalk that up to the fact that Olin would only ever be there on that one time of the month, for a very limited time, with everybody in eyesight of each other like very cautious. I could understand if, maybe he, maybe the room, acted differently for them, I don't know, like maybe for them their phones wouldn't work or whatever wouldn't work, while they're in it and it's different when you're alone in that room in the middle of it completely and the whole purpose of it was to fuck come to come to the hotel.

Speaker 3 49:12

I'm in room 1408 come and get me, like who's to say I can't?

Speaker 1 49:15

use it to mess it. Come directly up. Don't talk to anybody, that's right. Come directly. Don't talk if somebody went from going.

Speaker 3 49:22

I'm in danger, I'm dying to actually. Yeah, come up to the room. I would not come up to that room. What?

Speaker 1 49:28

come directly up come on up, I miss you pookie like no. Yeah, he seriously went from complete, extreme panic.

Speaker 3 49:35

To you know what? I'm totally ready to talk about our dead daughter. Why don't you come on up to my hotel room? Absolutely not. I would never, um, did you guys? I would never trust that uh a new it series.

Speaker 1 49:49

It's a prequel. It's called Welcome to Derry. I want it. It's coming out this year apparently.

Speaker 2 49:53

I'm in.

Speaker 1 49:54

You know what isn't coming out this year? Gta 6. Where's it at Rockstar? Give it to me.

Speaker 2 50:00

So you're telling me we're getting a Welcome to Derry miniseries before we're going to get GTA 6? Exactly, I think we've been waiting for GTA 6 since IT Chapter 2 came out.

Speaker 3 50:13

Yeah, I don't give a shit about GTA 6. What I'm waiting for is Elder Scrolls.

Speaker 1 50:18

I don't know which one, it is the Elden Ring. No, what about Elden?

Speaker 3 50:21

Ring. I am waiting for that. That multiplayer Elden Ring sounds fun.

Speaker 1 50:25

But I'm waiting for Elder Scrolls 6. That's never coming out. The ring sounds fun, but I'm waiting for elder scrolls six, uh, which I fear.

Speaker 3 50:30

Yeah, I fear it's going to be delayed now because it was supposed to come out next year, but they just released oblivion remastered and I feel like that's it oh, I feel like they did that because they're about to mix up.

Speaker 1 50:41

They're like hey guys, did you get, uh, elder scrolls six done? They're like what do you mean? We got elder scrolls four done. What do you mean what? No, we wanted six done.

Speaker 3 50:48

You mixed up like what do you mean? We got Elder Scrolls 4 done. What do you mean what? No, we wanted six done. You mixed up the I and the V. Yeah, like what happened, Crazy.

Speaker 2 50:55

I have what you could take as good news or bad news. You want it, uh sure. Todd Howard has hinted that the game has potential release window which is expected in 2026. Or later. Yeah, it's going to definitely be later.

Speaker 3 51:10

What the fuck is that it's definitely going to be later. That's the whole reason they released Oblivion Remastered is, I think, they realized they were not going to make the deadline that they said they were for Elder Scrolls 6.

Speaker 1 51:20

Nobody fucking wanted Starfield and nobody plays that shit anymore Because they spent too much fucking time on Starfield when nobody wanted it. Nobody wanted that they spent so much time on Starfield.

Speaker 3 51:29

They ignored elder scrolls 6 and then they realized, fuck, we gotta release something.

Speaker 1 51:32

Elder scrolls by the way, guys, if you don't know space, game.

Speaker 2 51:37

Go and follow them at wys gaming. These two fucking nerds are all in on it I recently streamed.

Speaker 3 51:44

Let's make a space game

Speaker 1 51:45

and make all the planets empty as fuck. That's what every company does, and it always fucking fails.

Speaker 3 51:50

The only one that didn't really fail is no man's sky, but that even failed at the start, although although realistic, boring from a game perspective, for real, every planet being empty oh yeah it automatically generates planets and solar systems, which is great and that's cool, and it is realistic that a lot of those planets if not, most of them would have nothing on it. But that's very boring from a video game perspective where I go onto a planet and there's literally nothing to do on the entire planet. I don't care if you could make 50 million of these planets if there's zero things for me to do on it.

Speaker 1 52:24

It might as well not you ready for a throwback?

Speaker 2 52:27

you know who got it right insomniac gaming I have no idea, that is ratchet and clank oh yeah, I thought you were every planet.

Speaker 3 52:34

Yeah, but that's not. That's not the same as this, where it's. This is supposed to be like they're trying to make space yeah, it is generated as you go, the worlds are generated as you go, so it's supposed to be a fresh experience and a fresh world every time you land on a planet which I don't even think they're fully, completely generated.

Speaker 1 52:55

I think they have like a shitload of like planets they made and they're still fucking empty.

Speaker 3 53:01

Yeah, they cycle them out, but there's still nothing to do on them. It's rough.

Speaker 2 53:06

I've heard.

Speaker 3 53:06

Starfield is fun for like once you beat the storyline. It's fun for like 40 hours and then after that there is no replayability with it.

Speaker 2 53:15

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Speaker 1 53:30

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Speaker 2 53:36

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Speaker 1 54:29

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Gaming Talk and Episode Wrap-Up

Speaker 2 54:37

We don't do that if you want us to go follow tj's personal tumblr account and if you give him a thousand dollars, he will tattoo your name on his forehead I would not know where on your face or the bottom of his foot just like a toy story toy I will do that.

Speaker 1 54:57

Thousand dollars. My venmo is at tj, needs your money.

Speaker 3 55:00

All one word no capitals and it really is true, it's very funny um I've been all right who won?

Speaker 1 55:08

I've been chocolate wasted this entire podcast can I?

Speaker 2 55:12

I tell you Me too, Me too.

Speaker 3 55:14

I think this is an episode. Oh my gosh, hey guys, sorry. That was wild. I think this is an episode where all three of us came in already a bit tipsy.

Speaker 2 55:24

Dude, I was already a glass down.

Speaker 1 55:27

I think we all win in the real world.

Speaker 2 55:30

That's right. But who wins the episode? That's right, I think Necrick wins, if you look at the picture.

Speaker 3 55:35

Oh, that's a loss if I lost the one.

Speaker 1 55:41

Let me just look at something real quick.

Speaker 2 55:44

Can you read? Are you seeing doubles?

Speaker 1 55:46

I can read. I can read Ossifer.

Speaker 2 55:49

No, Ossifer.

Speaker 1 55:56

I'm not as think as you drunk I am, I'm totally tober. So next week we'll be conjuring, the week after that will be this one.

Speaker 3 55:59

So, guys, if you're listening to this, I will be married in two days yeah, nice, we might need to take a week off for that, or, uh, I mean we might be able to record we could do a special on-site recording we could do a special on-site fucking recording that would be kind of cool that or I'll just fucking edit the fucking gorilla talk and we do the little fucking.

Speaker 1 56:25

That could be funny too, we could we could do a.

Speaker 3 56:27

Uh, we could do a little shorty we'll see how we're feeling, because we're supposed to do something that friday night, are you? So?

Speaker 2 56:33

I mean, maybe we just maybe we just go live on tiktok. You release the best believe we're getting some fucking disarano in this bitch, so everybody if we're out and about, if these guys are out and about partying um, I don't know shit, maybe I gotta join you guys I'm gonna pull, I'm not gonna go up there with you guys, but maybe, if you guys are out and about, I'll go hit a little scene and we'll do a tiktok.

Speaker 3 56:56

Live together oh, maybe I don't know if I want everybody to know how I get you just point the camera away I'm feeling like I might pull what we did with elijah oh cigar bar so the winner of today's podcast is Undetermined.

Speaker 1 57:17

Guys, I've been taking Tally on my hand. I don't know where my thing went, so I minused one from Alex. Minused yeah at the start.

Speaker 3 57:26

Plus one to Alex.

Speaker 1 57:27

So he was back at zero. So it was Eric, I plus one to Eric, plus one to Alex, plus one to Eric and plus one to Alex, so you both have two. I'm going to need you to tell me what movie y'all are going to do and I shall decide who is the winner. Signs.

Speaker 2 57:43

I want Eric to win.

Speaker 1 57:44

Eric wins. I was going to say, if your shit wasn't top tier, Alex is going to Eric. I fucking love Signs.

Speaker 3 57:54

I love shit wasn't top tier alex is going to eric. I fucking love signs. I love that I've had signs. I love that shit.

Speaker 1 57:57

So much so, yeah, tune in for a while if you're listening, we gotta get crazy.

Speaker 2 57:59

We gotta get crazy with it oh, we're talking about conspiracy theories tinfoil hats.

Speaker 3 58:04

Get your tinfoil hats ready.

Speaker 1 58:06

Get your tinfoil hats legitimately wear a tinfoil hat listeners.

Speaker 2 58:10

That'd be hilarious actually tj's gonna wear a tinfoil hat next week.

Speaker 1 58:14

I'm going to wear everybody here thank everybody for listening to this episode and joining us on the live. It has been a pleasure. Remember, don't feel self-conscious about yourself, because a silverback gorilla only has three centimeters, three centimeters, like a silverback gorilla only has three centimeters, three centimeters of what I'm hung like a silverback gorilla, three centimeters of what we won't know. But until next time, stay away from creepy hotels and if somebody says it's going to kill you, don't go into the room. And, yeah, stay alive. Thank you you.