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“You Can’t Do This Alone”—The One Lesson Brigitte Cutshall Wants Entrepreneurs to Hear

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Episode 271

What happens when you cut ties with perfection, corporate conformity, and even fear itself? In this episode of Cut the Tie, Thomas Helfrich sits down with Brigitte Cutshall, founder of Gemini Media, two-time cancer survivor, creative entrepreneur, and all-around badass.

From a career in publishing to beating aggressive cancer twice, Brigitte’s story is a powerful testament to resilience, humor, and building a business that prioritizes joy and purpose over prestige. She shares what it means to embrace imperfection, live life on your own terms, and run a business without losing your soul in the process.


About Brigitte Cutshall:
Brigitte Cutshall is the founder of Gemini Media, a creative content production company that helps businesses communicate clearly and authentically through storytelling, editing, and publishing. With a background in marketing, publishing, and communications, Brigitte is known for helping clients align their words with their mission. She’s also a two-time breast cancer survivor, military brat, runner, and passionate advocate for health, clarity, and community.


In this episode, Thomas and Brigitte discuss:

  • The power of rejecting “success” as defined by others
    Brigitte shares how she was pushed toward finance and corporate life, but ultimately found fulfillment through creativity and independence.
  • Why getting laid off was the best thing that ever happened to her
    After a corporate layoff and a second cancer diagnosis, Brigitte chose not to chase another job—but to build her own business instead.
  • Surviving cancer and building something that matters
    Brigitte reflects on how hope, humor, and her family helped her get through treatment—and how that season sparked a new chapter in her life.
  • Community isn’t optional—it’s survival
    Brigitte shares how she overcame isolation by building meaningful relationships, and why connection is the ultimate growth hack.
  • Don’t chase perfection—pursue what lights you up
    Brigitte’s journey proves that success doesn’t require you to be everything to everyone. It just requires you to show up, stay curious, and define success for yourself.


Key Takeaways:

  • Define success on your terms
    If you don’t, you’ll be chasing someone else’s dream—and that never ends well.
  • Don’t go it alone
    Whether it's cancer or entrepreneurship, you need at least one person in your corner. Support systems are survival systems.
  • Hope is a radical act
    Choosing hope—even in dark moments—opens the door to possibility, resilience, and reinvention.
  • Life isn’t about being perfect
    It’s about making mistakes, learning, laughing, and doing work that reflects who you are.


Connect with Brigitte Cutshall:
🌐 Website: www.brigittecutshall.com
 💼 LinkedIn: Brigitte Cutshall
 📸 Instagram: @brigittecutshall

Connect with Thomas Helfrich:
🐦 Twitter: @thelfrich
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Speaker 1:

Welcome to Cut the Tie podcast. Hi, I'm your host once again, thomas Helfrich, and I'm on a mission to help you cut a tie cut lots of ties actually to whatever's holding you back from success. You got to define your success yourself. If you don't, you're chasing someone else's dream and it won't work. Today, bridget Kutschall yes, that's me. That's like a cool name, bridget Kutschall live weather in the middle of a tornado. Bridget, what's going on out there?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's true, I live in the Atlanta area so I don't know if you want me to introduce myself. I always joke that I say hey, y'all Kutchl, because I yeah, why not? Kutchl is my husband's obviously last name, so people don't realize it really is. Their original name is Gutschel. When the Germans were coming to the US they didn't know how to spell Gutschel at Ellis Island.

Speaker 1:

It is funny how Americans were back there Like I'm not even going to try to spell your name, You're just going to be a Gutschel now.

Speaker 2:

That's what it is. There are no Gutschels, it's just you're in the US.

Speaker 1:

It's like I don't know what that American like. That seems very American today, like I'm not even gonna try to do your last name. Welcome to America. You're now Kutschall. That is called America. You used to be called Mexico, but we didn't like it. We changed it.

Speaker 2:

They butcher my first name here in the US. It's really Brigitte, brigitte Kutschall.

Speaker 1:

Kutschall, we met German accents.

Speaker 2:

Well, my mother's French, so my parents named me after Bridget Bardot. That's what they told me.

Speaker 1:

My parents struggled with spelling. All right, we're moving your show. All right, bridget, take a moment, introduce yourself and what it is you do.

Speaker 2:

My name is Bridget Ketchall and my company is called Gemini Media, and what I do? I help people with content production. My background is in publishing and communications, and the words you use matter. The storyline helps get the proper message across and that's so. It's a combination of the writing and editing and help with actual projects, and people want physical books and things like that.

Speaker 1:

Nice. Now I'm in Atlanta, I'm in Alpharetta.

Speaker 2:

Oh wow, You're not. That's right, You're not that far. I forgot.

Speaker 1:

What part of Atlanta are you in?

Speaker 2:

I'm actually at Ackworth, which is I live on Lake Altoona. It used to be the boonies because they're Not anymore. Not Everybody wants to live over here. They're all going to like Bardo County, which is cartersville. I don't live that far from marietta, it's just a lot of traffic and that's a good problem to have, I think maybe yeah, so I used to this.

Speaker 1:

Just for those who is an atlanta person. I'm taking a moment here to bond somebody so just you can check out for a minute. Actually, you know what? Tell them. Tell people they can go. They can go start stalking you while you're talking. Where should they look you up real quick, while you and I just kind of connect real quick? What, what's your, uh, what's your stalker link?

Speaker 2:

my stalker. I don't really, I don't really have a stalker link, but it's still worth you stalk you.

Speaker 1:

Where would you like them to go?

Speaker 2:

do that probably instagram or linkedin. How's that?

Speaker 1:

cool linkedin. I'm a linkedin hoe um, so yeah I like.

Speaker 2:

I've been using linkedin probably since it first started and it's changed a lot since microsoft bought them a lot all right.

Speaker 1:

What's your linkedin is? It's a?

Speaker 2:

give me the address it's my name, bridget b-r-i-g-i-t-t-e, cutshaw, c-u-t-s-h-a-l-l all right there, it is because that was there, okay.

Speaker 1:

I used to make fun of everyone in kensan and ackworth Like, oh my God, you live in Chattanooga and North.

Speaker 2:

And then I looked at a map and where I am off windward, I'm north of you we're so close to, I'm so grateful to be by the lake, but then we're so close to Chattanooga and also close to Atlanta. So I used to go to Alpharetta a lot Roswell, but it's harder now.

Speaker 1:

It's harder there. Tell me a little bit about why. You know people. You're in a marketing space, there's a lot of efficiency and the people have a lot of choices. Why did they pick you?

Speaker 2:

They picked me because of my background and my knowledge and the trust factor that I built, because I'm honest with people. But, like I say, I use the right words, but they just need to make sure they have a strategy and why they're doing it. And it was my clients that actually encouraged me to start my own business. How's that?

Speaker 1:

Were you working for somewhere else. So this was a startup as like a side hustle, and you did it.

Speaker 2:

I kind of I was like I'm one of the you understand the generation where, like got to do corporate, you got to do this, you got to do that, you got to do that path. And then I got recommended to work as an independent contractor over 20 years ago and my parents thought I was insane doing that, but it vibed with me, I liked what they were doing. It said this startup was based in Chicago. Again, I had a good reputation in the publishing industry because of my I look at results, not just thoughts. You know what I'm saying. So that's kind of what happened and I liked it. I liked being independent. That's my personality.

Speaker 1:

Anyway, I like well and listen and we and you're a as Gen Xers, right, we were go to great schools and corporate and now I have kids that you know, that are, you know, once, two years out from school and I'm like or college, I'm like you're going for free, I don't care where it is, because it's. There's no math formula on the planet where that makes sense and it all like, like you just bind yourself to debt and a system that requires you to never take a risk on yourself because you have to pay that debt and you can't even get rid of it, because I'd be like, just get rid of it, just go bankrupt now, in seven years. No, no one will know about it and it'd be 20. Seriously, and I'd be like, but that's not even a strategy that's feasible. So it is truly the one time I'm like you will not bind yourself to government loan debt period or any student loan loan debt period. It is debtor's prison of the modern era, in my opinion.

Speaker 2:

I was fortunate, thomas, when I transferred to University of Wisconsin because my future husband is from there. He was in the military and so I moved up there. After he got out, and the company back then that I worked for was in the public they paid for my college tuition, isn't that? That's what they aren't doing now. Their companies aren't helping.

Speaker 1:

They afford to. It costs a salary a year.

Speaker 2:

Right, and all I had to do is have a certain GPA, which was easy, and then they pay for it. I had to work like a minimum of 30 hours a week. I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1:

So and that's great, like if somebody invested in it. I'm here, we're getting off that. I want to go to your journey a little bit exactly her journey. Um, this is what happens in two marketers. Yes, um, and I also got a. I got a post idea that you know, the debt, the modern debt, the debtor's prison, that's, that's why you should become an entrepreneur. Anyway, all right, so tell me about your journey and the tie you had to cut to success.

Speaker 1:

Oh, actually I forgot, I'm sorry. How do you define success? I forgot to ask you the question.

Speaker 2:

How do I find success Is following what I think is important to you, I think, rather than chasing squirrels is that the right word? A lot of people chase squirrels and they just like think really big, I mean you got to have a goal. But I think you it helps if you kind of follow a path that you like and I know some people don't believe that, but it. I've always liked writing and being involved in public, and when I was a child, and so here I am, helping people do the same thing. That is success to me. I never wanted to be a CEO making millions and millions of dollars. That wasn't something that, even though I was told I was good in math, I didn't care, you know, and I enjoyed being on the creative side and that to me what brings you. I know it sounds cheesy, but it's what brings you joys.

Speaker 1:

Well, and yours is a more fluid definition, but it's centered around the idea of you need to define it and no one else.

Speaker 2:

Correct you define it.

Speaker 1:

And a lot of times you know we define success for kids and at some point I know I'm going to say I want you to find your own success now, because you're chasing mine and mommy's dream of whatever it is. I want you now to define it yourself. You're 18. You're going to college. Define your own success on your own terms and don't worry about my opinion or anyone else's on it.

Speaker 1:

I'm going to make sure I'm very explicit Until then. We're going to define success for you, to get you where you need to go, so you can go define it for yourself, and I think you have to, because otherwise you are chasing someone else's dream. This is how you become hollow Now, in finding that for yourself, did you have a metaphoric tie, so to speak, that you needed to kind of stop doing?

Speaker 2:

cut whatever to be able to that experience working for that independent startup. That clicked in my brain, bridget, you don't have to work for a corporation, and that is I had freedom to. You know, I like helping people, but I also don't like having to be in a box, and that's kind of why I cut the tie. I did go back briefly, Thomas, to work for a corporate big corporate and then a year later they laid me off with a bunch of other people because a private equity firm, and that's when I'm like, you know, I am not going to look for a job again. And I did get I got cancer, by the way, again.

Speaker 1:

So that was you just kind of casually threw that out there, oh, and I got cancer.

Speaker 2:

Right, I just I had cancer again I got cancer.

Speaker 1:

Then I went to the movies.

Speaker 2:

Right. So I'm like you know what, I'm going to focus on my health and be with my family and I stopped looking for a corporate job because that's like supposedly consistent, safe money and it's not, and that's.

Speaker 1:

It's a it's a falsity. You don't realize it's a lie.

Speaker 2:

And then so I started a cancer treatment. I just being honest with my clients and they're the ones they're like Bridget, we trust you, you know what you're doing Start your own business. And that's when I came up with the name Gemini Media, because I am a Gemini, I'm in the media. I use the word media because it's kind of a broad subject. I don't want to say publishing, because it could just media could be. I'm helping. You know different aspects, but I just like the creativity aspect and I like helping, but at the same time it's in line with what's important to me yeah, you got to captain your calendar.

Speaker 1:

You got to make the money you make. If you know, if you work harder or do a little more business development, get out of your comfort zone, you can go find more clients. Exactly, I love that, and so what I think you're describing too, is there's a tie you had to cut that you didn't have to be a CEO. You know someone thought you like that through corporate. You got to keep going. It sounds like earlier like I just want to have a lifestyle business that that makes me happy day to day. I can eat, I can have fun, I can travel, I can go. You know I can pay for the expensive ass gas for the boat and I could deal with. The lake goes 25 feet and I can't get my boat off the mud. That's true. It's a reservoir, like Altoona.

Speaker 2:

Altoona is a reservoir. People don't realize that, but it's great in the summer though.

Speaker 1:

The winter we just we look at the mud. Actually, that's why we go through Christmas trees for fishing. Just to be clear, I know we're getting off tangent just a bit. I'm a fisherman. I would strategically place my little cover We'll talk about it later. Um, so I'm making button fish. Uh, question for you then uh, how? It's one thing to know the tie, it's one thing that make the cut. You went through the cancer treatment but there's, there's a lot of things that like to manage that and it's not like you have support. So tell me about the how you go from corporate then through cancer to your own business, like, how did you come do that?

Speaker 2:

I was definitely doubting myself, but I think I had a lot of support, thankfully, like I said, my clients and my husband, of course, and my sons. My sons were teenagers at the time and so I'm like I wanted to be there for them. I wanted to. You know, they were like an inspiration. They gave me hope. Hey, I'm like crying here, you can't see it, but no, you have to. They gave me hope and I'm like crying here, you can't see it, but no, you have to. Some people don't believe in hope, but hope is kind of radical, a radical act to think of, especially in that time.

Speaker 1:

I mean you have to Well, and I think I have never had cancer in my face and so I can't. I have no real empathy, I have no. Just I don't know what that is and nor do I ever want to, to be honest with you. So, but I would think if you lose hope, your mind would go with it and your body does react to that, just letting go stress of it. And so I think it's a very important. It can't be the strategy, but it's part of the fuel.

Speaker 2:

It's part of the fuel. Yeah, it gave me, it inspired me and also helped me look for solutions, what I had to do. And I'm also very, very curious, as natural, and that's kind of why I'm still here, because I didn't know what to do with me. Okay, that's part of it, because I like to research and things like that and ask questions and then throw in humor, because I definitely was throwing lots of humor in that crazy time, but that's. I want to surround myself about with people who let me ask questions. That's important. So what are you most grateful?

Speaker 1:

for.

Speaker 2:

I'm most grateful for my husband. Obviously he's really the one that stayed there. You know what I'm saying. You, just a lot of men don't know what to do. He's never experienced this either. He doesn't know what to do either. You just a lot of men don't know what to do. He's never experienced this either.

Speaker 1:

He doesn't know what to do either. He just did it better than others.

Speaker 2:

relative to this, Correct, he didn't know, he just pretended I know your husband.

Speaker 1:

I don't mean to mean it, but he didn't. No man knows anything what they're supposed to do. Well, I don't believe that.

Speaker 2:

That's one of the reasons. I a protector, naturally, for some reason and we didn't talk about that he just naturally was that way and I think that is. I'm so grateful for that. A lot of women, by the way. I had breast cancer twice and it was very aggressive. A lot of men leave their wives in that time, believe it or not, and so I thought, oh my God, is this going to happen to me? And it did not, and I think my sons were very supportive and I'm a big runner, by the way and they made sure they would run with mom and I'm running again, which is awesome, because that's one of the things that make me happy. You need to make time for that kind of a side hustle. I didn't want to I shouldn't say side hustle but it helps me stay focused.

Speaker 1:

Yeah Well, it's good, it's the endorphin piece.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's a good for your husband, I mean that's. I love that You're a you're. You find draw so much. You know inspiration, and that's. Thanks for ruining the flow here. Actually, though, hey, give me a lesson for the listener. So you've been through plenty of trauma, you've done your own piece, You're finding your way. What advice would you give? Maybe just model yourself 27 years ago. What advice do you give to that person?

Speaker 2:

I would advise them to not isolate yourself. Connect yourself with someone that can help you and ask questions. Help, ask questions because you can't do this alone. You really can't. Some people think they can do it, you know, but you really need to surround yourself, not just lots of people, at least one person. You need to have a community Maybe using the wrong word to help you, because I've I've seen people who try to do that all alone and they get down on themselves and you need help lifting yourself up. It's not alone.

Speaker 1:

It's not a solo thing all the time, it isn't. You know, my wife recently just got a new role and it's remote. She usually has some kind of usually has been like go to an office where she could or whatever, and she's like I don't know how you do this, I don't talk to anyone all day and I'm like, and she you just kind of get used to. This is the interaction I have with people, so I've been at first, I'm related to the people out there. I've actually made it a point to.

Speaker 1:

We did add campaigns that connect to more Atlanta founders so I could get them on the podcast, go meet them for coffees, like I. You know, I met the owner of grillgasms what a great brand, right, and he's an event of a person, no-transcript. You're, you're really you don't. You don't think it's wrong, you're just doing and I will tell you, you, you really do have to have a community that the blue zones in the world, right, are all about community and sense of purpose, right, and that is the only common factor among them. It's not food, it's not region, it's just that.

Speaker 2:

And I think it helps you understand, see different perspectives. It helps you think differently and change is constant. We see that and it helps having that support. It really truly does. It's not going to be perfect every day. That's something I had a problem with. I was a perfectionist because I was a girl and you had to be. You know, that's what you were told, but that's what it is. I think that just having that support in person is coming back, which is good.

Speaker 1:

I like that. I agree with that. Yeah, you know, like any ship that rocks rocks back. I see this in ours. So LinkedIn, what I've seen there was a huge tilt that let's go AI automation and we've always been just human, involved tech people, flat ship, and now it's going back the other way. We're catching quite a few clients coming back and they're like I need help. I really messed up stuff. I'm like yes, it's okay, though I'm not judging you, but you are going to have to rethink a. You're going to have to rethink a little few things, but the human element is massively important with that. I've been asking this question, it's okay.

Speaker 2:

Sorry, can you repeat yourself I?

Speaker 1:

couldn't hear you. The question repeated was what is the worst business advice you've ever received?

Speaker 2:

The worst business advice you've ever received the worst business advice. I think people are trying to push me into finance right Because I was good at math right and so I kind of went around I got a degree in marketing and economics right. So that's kind of the data aspect. I'm glad I didn't go that route because my brother did, he was in his and his wife sister. They're bored because I found it to be boring is that's why that's kind of what I thought it was. You're, just because I'm good at math doesn't mean I need to go do that. Does that make sense? It doesn't, so why did it do it? Creativity is just something that I need, yeah well, this happens to lots of people.

Speaker 1:

They're told hey, you need to be a doctor or a lawyer or you need to whatever. And I think the reason why I see students make such good business people is because they're just doing what they do great, and they're like I don't know anything else. And it's funny. By the way, some of the best business people I know are not the smartest I can tell. They're not the smartest people on the planet. They can't do math, but they're like I don't need to because I have a guy that does it. I just know I make a box and then I go sell that box for four times a year and then I do it again and again and occasionally I go find a new guy to sell it to. I mean, I guess I should rethink what I do. Anyway, I'm serious. I'm like man, how'd you learn how to make boxes? I just did it, tried it.

Speaker 2:

Well, there we are. I think curiosity really helps a lot of business people. I really do.

Speaker 1:

It does, and so creativity combined with math, and I do believe, by the way, a content creation has a math element, because there's there's a stylistic flow and a formula that does work behind it, but it's more on the, it's more on time. I'd say it's that way. So it's like how long am I going to read something before I lose interest? So if there is a math where we're going on, it's just inherently applied in more of a game theory method. Right, I have, it would make you an excellent. That would be. You maybe don't use it in your marketing because it'd be so nerdy, but the truth is there's real math behind how this works, and I'm going to give you a theory of how this actually works, because it's about boredom. As long as I'm not bored, anybody will read. If they're not bored, yes, who knows how to read? Even if they don't know how to read, they'll try. They heard it was great. It was in Fifty Shades of Grey.

Speaker 2:

As you were talking, I talked to a woman about six months ago. I met her through a networking thing and she does like astrology stuff, whatever. So she I didn't, I don't go down that path, but anyway, she said I'm one of the rare people that I use both sides of my brain, which I think, like you said you mentioned the logic and the math and the creative side, so that she said I need to use that more than I have. Probably have not been, but I thought that was a great perspective from her.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I don't have that perspective from her. Yeah, I don't have that, apparently because of ADHD. Without amphetamines, I don't have a frontal cortex firing at all. Oh really, yeah, there's no control whatsoever. Now, we're good, we're jacked up on amphetamines, we're fine, it's fun. See, this is the things I talk about, and the best part is you have a couple more minutes to answer questions and you're like okay, sure I'm open. All right. Another rapid fire question for you, though what's the one must read book you would give to business owners?

Speaker 2:

I think I've read a lot of books. The most recent one I read and I've just finished, is called Moral Ambition. It's brand new. It came out earlier this year and this is written by his story and what he's seen about the younger generation. We talked earlier about college is to figure out how you can use your skill set to help our world, because we want to help the future and you and I have a background in marketing and we can help with the messaging. You know what I'm saying. That's really what it is. I'm not a doctor, but doctors can help, but that's rather than just focus on making lots of money and then go on the sailboat. You know what I'm saying? That's I found a lot like wow, it resonated with me. You know he wasn't telling you what to do, but he gave examples, historical examples.

Speaker 1:

I think I'm just going to be a drug dealer easier. Um, it's like simple. That's the box here. I buy the dope for this much and I sell it this much, but I only sell it to people I know right don't become a dope dealer, right or do? I don't care, it's up to you, just get, get out there don't work for people long term.

Speaker 2:

Uh, if you could start over today, what part of your timeline would you go to? What would you do differently? And I might have done that. You know what I'm saying. Who knows where my because I would use the math side of my brain. I don't regret it, but I kind of wish I kind of at least considered it for one year. You know what I'm saying. I think I was afraid because back in the early 80s it wasn't safe for girls to be around. That's what it was.

Speaker 1:

It was a fear from that. Oh, because it was like Midtown wasn't what it is today.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it was a fear in the early 80s to be a girl back then and I had this, so maybe I should have done it just for tried it out for one year. That's the only thing I really regret. I should say regret, but you know what?

Speaker 1:

I'm saying looking like Cindy Lauper, Exactly. And that would have been. That would have been more regretful than not going.

Speaker 2:

Exactly I. Just I was scared. Being a girl, I was scared. That's really what it was.

Speaker 1:

I mean, but you could run. So even if you're up, you're like you're not gonna do this for eight miles, I can.

Speaker 2:

So I don't know where that came. I grew up around I think that's where it came from my brother. I had an older brother and I was into that kind of stuff, but that was when they were trying to I think Title IX was passed. They were trying to get more girls but I just scared the hell out of me. Sorry, being that part of Atlanta in the early 80s.

Speaker 1:

Nowadays you'd be like hell. I'm going. It looks like fun.

Speaker 2:

Right, it's much better now. Yeah, if there's a question I should have asked you today and I didn around a lot and I wanted a different environment, you know. That's why I moved and I met this man who I trusted and he ended up being my husband. He said I'm the only person he ever wanted to take care of besides himself. This is this still. We met each other when we were he was just turned 20 and I was 19. So that's how long we've been together. But some people think it's how long we've been together. But some people think it's cheesy. It's not perfect. I'm a blabber.

Speaker 1:

You know he's not. There's no perfect. We already established that. Don't chase perfect, Right.

Speaker 2:

I think we're perfect fit just because we're so opposite. We have some. We have things in common, right, you have to have things. And I did tell him, if you want to marry me, you gotta have my dog too, and I had a dog, so he's now really good with dogs the math form I always joke about around.

Speaker 1:

perfect, since you're a math nerd at heart, right, or you? Is the schwarzschild ratio? No, do you know what the schwarzschild ratio? Now, do you know what the Schwarzschild ratio is?

Speaker 2:

No, I have not heard of that.

Speaker 1:

It's the math that determines the event horizon of a black hole.

Speaker 2:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

And so if you go into past the, you know the definition of the black hole. But if you go into the Schwarzschild ratio, you enter a black hole chasing perfect, and not only does time slow down and you never actually get to the center, no one outside of it can help you and you'll just drift away into nothingness.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm glad I didn't, that was face perfect. Yeah, that's I think I'm so glad I had people point out to me you don't have to be perfect. I had to have that. People tell me that and it's okay to make mistakes people, it's okay.

Speaker 1:

You just learn from it and not beat yourself up. I mean, you are human to Aries. All right, last chance. How do people get ahold of you?

Speaker 2:

Go to. The best way is probably LinkedIn. I check that the most and then order my website, which is BridgetCutshallcom.

Speaker 1:

Awesome Thanks for joining today. I look forward to meeting you in person as well.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, we will.

Speaker 1:

Awesome, bridget, and listen anyone who made it to this part of the show you rock. You've been here before. Keep rocking. If this was your first time, come back for more rockage. I don't know why I'm using that term today, but get out there, go cut a tie. Be sure to define your success first, otherwise you're just chasing someone.

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