Cut The Tie | Own Your Success
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Cut The Tie
Thomas Helfrich
Host & Founder
Cut The Tie | Own Your Success
“Don’t Die on the Sofa Scrolling”—Why Steven Puri Helps People Unlock Their Greatness
Cut The Tie Podcast with Steven Puri
What if the biggest tragedy in life isn’t failure, but never trying? In this episode of Cut The Tie, host Thomas Helfrich sits down with Steven Puri, founder of The Sukha Company, to talk about cutting ties with safe paths, failed ventures, and the weight of other people’s opinions.
From winning an Academy Award for Independence Day’s visual effects, to launching companies that failed, to building Sukha—a flow state app that helps people focus—Steven shares his journey of reinvention and resilience. He shows why success is about doing the thing you’re capable of, not just scrolling your life away.
About Steven Puri
Steven Puri is the founder of The Sukha Company, where he helps people enter flow state, eliminate distraction, and do their best work. Before building Sukha, Steven worked as a senior executive at Fox and DreamWorks, produced digital effects on more than a dozen films (including True Lies and Independence Day), raised over $20M in venture capital, and launched three companies—one successful exit, two failures. His mission today is simple: help people unlock their potential and finish the work that matters.
In this episode, Thomas and Steven discuss:
- From Hollywood to startups
How Steven went from Academy Award–winning visual effects producer to building tech companies. - The biggest tie to cut: others’ opinions
Why the hardest part of failure is facing friends and family—and how to push through shame. - Redefining success
Moving from chasing Oscars and exits to helping people write their novel, finish their PhD, or simply stay focused. - Failure as fuel
How two failed startups reshaped Steven’s perspective, leading him to discover what truly matters. - Life, family, and legacy
Why becoming a husband, soon-to-be father, and mentor gave Steven a new purpose beyond business metrics.
Key Takeaways
- Don’t waste your life scrolling
The biggest tragedy is never trying to do the thing inside you. - Failure is not fatal
Steven’s two failed companies taught him more than his successful exit ever did. - Success is helping others unlock potential
Real achievement is measured by the lives you impact. - Cut the tie of others’ opinions
You can’t let shame or judgment from friends and family stop you from trying again. - History repeats—learn from it
Human behavior cycles. Understand it, and you’ll spot patterns for opportunity.
Connect with Steven Puri
📎 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-puri/
🌐 Website: https://www.thesukha.co/
📧 Email: steven@thesukhacompany.com
Connect with Thomas Helfrich
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Welcome to the Cut the Tie podcast. Hello, I'm your host, thomas Helfrich. I'm on a mission to help you cut the tie to whatever's holding you back from success. But you have to define success on your own terms for you to own it, otherwise you are chasing someone else's dream. Today, I am joined by Stephen Puri. Stephen, how are you?
Speaker 2:This is true. We are here. Some surprises are going to come. I know it's always interesting with you.
Speaker 1:It's going to be fun. Um, it's often not boring. Is that a double negative?
Speaker 2:No, that is a, that is a promise of this. So let's make it not boring and let's see if I can surprise you instead of you surprising me.
Speaker 1:I have a feeling that's going to happen. All right, start with who you are, where you're from and what it is you do.
Speaker 2:Okay, how about 30 seconds? Right, let's do it. So, stephen Puri, I run a Focus FlowState app called Suka. I have been historically a senior executive at a couple of motion picture studios, which is super fun, and I've also raised about $21 million of venture capital, run three companies, one successful exit, two failures, and really happy to be here in case I have something useful for you in your life to share today.
Speaker 1:Love it Now so people can properly stalk you. Wow, this is really for the ADHD-er who can't just listen and they need to do something on their phone. Yeah, how do they properly stalk you while you're speaking?
Speaker 2:today. Okay, two ways. One, if I say anything interesting, where you're like oh my God, that book, that post, he talked about that article. My email address is very public. You are welcome to email me, stephen, at thesukha, which means the happiness in Sanskrit T-H-E-S-U-K-H-A, dot, c-o for company. You're happy. You're welcome to ask me about that. I will email you back. I get back to all my emails in 24 hours, unless sick or traveling. The platform I built, which is a flow state app, if you ever feel distracted, you want to finish your work earlier, be healthier. It's free for seven days, no credit card, and it's shockingly at the Suka T H E S U K H A, that's CO.
Speaker 1:Those are the two important things for you to know. Awesome, and it's Stephen with a B guys S-T-E-B-E-N. Ooh, good point. Yes, we get into this. Is that the right way to spell it, or is the P-H way the right way to spell it?
Speaker 2:There's my way. And then there's. Why would you spell it another way?
Speaker 1:That's like Jeff with a G who does that Right Goof.
Speaker 2:Okay, god, I should write this down. Every time we talk. I feel like I should be writing this down.
Speaker 1:I'll just give you an AI summary. You're in a unique space, so I usually ask people kind of what your differentiators are. Maybe. I'll maybe just jump in a little bit to just define success, because I think we're going to cover why you do what you do into your journey. So I'll skip the unique identifier of why you guys should be picked and stuff, because I think it's somewhat unique by itself because we're the only one. Next question um well, how do you define success?
Speaker 2:uh, I have a very strong thesis that we all have something great inside us and the question of this lifetime is are we going to get it out or not? So success at this point in my life is can I help enough people to do the thing of which they're capable? I think it's a tragedy to die, as the guy or girl on the sofa was like. I scrolled, I double tapped on a lot of stuff and you're eight years old. You're like I could have been somebody, but I scrolled. You know it's like no man. If you're gonna write the great american novel, go write it. If you're gonna go do something, create something to change people's lives, go do it.
Speaker 1:It's funny because you don't want to be your deathbed and be like. I hit the end of the internet three times in my life.
Speaker 2:Right yeah.
Speaker 1:No one else did that.
Speaker 2:I know, but here's the thing is why this is so hard is the best paycheck if you are an engineer, a designer, a behavior behavior psychologist is if you go work for a company whose business model is steal everyone's lives flat out, you'll never make more money than if you just go. I could get one more second from a billion people and mark or evan or elon is like here's a hundred million dollars. Thank you for helping me. Steal people's lives. Let's steal their life, sell it to these advertisers and then we'll keep the money. Yay, and I just think that's like our children will look at social media with our generation the way I look at my father's generation in smoking, where it's like how y'all have lung cancer.
Speaker 1:How did you do that? The podcast right before you was the exact same analogy.
Speaker 2:Are you guys on some kind of fox news trend right now is that what's going on? I just changed outfits. You didn't notice, right? I just say I am jennifer, you're yeah, this is how you find out I'm not in a question these days.
Speaker 1:Uh, talk about a little bit on your dream and uh, how you got to the point of defining that success. And if you could talk about a tie, maybe you cut along the way. It would be great as well.
Speaker 2:I know a little tie cutting. So here is the thing that's probably fun about me my life is sort of like Forrest Gump. I've had lucky stuff drop in my lap and I'd like to believe I've worked very hard to make something of it. But I do not underestimate the power of right place, right time having to be there. So with that in mind, let me lay out for you a couple key times where I had to sort of cut the tie and be like what am I afraid of? Take the leap, okay.
Speaker 2:So when I'm a young little Turk, I was a code monkey. Both my parents worked at IBM, both engineers. So I, of of course, was shockingly a little software engineer, went off to usc to school, made a bunch of friends who were in the cinema tv school because usc has a great cinema tv school, right to end up talking with them, going out to movies, discussing stuff, and I was wait for it in los angeles when computers got powerful enough to handle a film. So that was the rise of like the avids and the pro tools and Silicon graphics. Suddenly, all these movies were CG. Right, I ended up producing the digital effects for a lot of movies because I was like you know what, maybe I thought I was going to go be. I was going to school for journalism. I thought I was going to go be a broadcaster. Right, I was like this thing just opened up up. Do I give up my dream of being a broadcaster? And my friends from school were all going off like colorado, colorado springs, to be like the weekend anchor and try and work their way up. You know, and I was like this seems really cool, looked fear in the face and I was like I don't know that, I know what I'm doing, but this seems incredibly cool.
Speaker 2:Whenever produced the digital effects about 14 movies, weird movies like seven, bigger movies, like true lives, produce a digital effects for independence day, for which we won the Academy award, which I helped I'm just not going to lie Everyone associated with the visual effects, and that it helps your career when you're like, oh yeah, I worked on this Academy award winning movie last year and that helped me set up my first company, because I got along really well with the director and producer, roland and Dean, who were very nice to me. I was like 23 at the time or something and we set up a company and raised about 15 million and I was like, oh, this is really cool, this new thing I'm trying seems to be going well. Did that for four years, got an offer. We were bought out by this german conglomerate called uh das berk. It's for, like liberty media of germany.
Speaker 2:And suddenly I'm 28, I've had an exit, I have cash in the bank. I was like I'm really smart, you know, really good looking and invincible all the stupid stuff you believe when you're in your 20s, right, so did that and then decided what do I want to do next? And I thought you know what, as much as I built a reputation and you know visual effects and computer generated graphics and all that let's try to actually make a movie, not just make a little portion of other people's movies. But how does a movie get put together? And I realized it was a very different discipline, even though they kind of get lumped together and like you're making movies. Nah, man, like development and packaging movies is like a separate set of people, a separate set of contacts, lingo, scripts to read. Then it is making the movie, being on set, being like the guy or the girl making it right. So that was another link, a leap for me, where I was like you know what, let's try this out.
Speaker 2:Took a couple steps down on the ladder to go build my resume up with this new field. My dad thought I'd gotten fired. He called one day and I was an assistant, I was a secretary, and my dad was like you can tell me you got fired from your last year. You didn't sell the company, you got fired. Now you're answering the phone. I was like no, I'm just treated like an internship or an apprenticeship. I think I'm in grad school, dad.
Speaker 2:Okay, I ended up, as you know, a senior executive at Fox, at DreamWorks, did a bunch of movies, got to work on the Die Hard franchise as the executive running that, which was cool, and Wolverine and things like that. And then I had a moment where I was like you know what? This is the final turn of the story, my last little cup to die, where I'm in a job a lot of people envy. I'm making big-ass $100 to $100 million movies from the studio side and I really looked at Die Hard 5. I'm just going to say it out loud there's no movie there Like Die Hard 1, I grew up watching the Die Hard series. Die Hard 5, it was hey, man, if we make this, people will see it. It's called show business. Make a movie, don't care if it's any good, right? That's News Corp's sort of attitude of like it's a business, right, it's not art.
Speaker 2:And I was like I don't think I'm going to wake up, be like 40, 50 years old and be like daddy's going to work to make Diehard 9, boost the retirement home so I can pay for your college. I was like it's not a great use of my life. So I jumped ship. I went and got back into engineering, got back into starting little companies to solve little problems, and all my friends thought I was nuts. This is before. It was cool to be in tech. This is like 10, 12 years ago and that was scary because the next two companies I did failed. I felt like an idiot. I was ashamed. I hated bumping into friends at the dry cleaners because they'd ask you how you're doing and you're like terrible. I want to kill myself, you know.
Speaker 1:What's the? Was that probably the biggest tie, then? Is that that perception of others what your success or failure is? Because you've mentioned, like my dad called me and my friend.
Speaker 2:Is that been the hardest one for you to get over. Yeah, I think you're right. I appreciate you're putting a finger on that, like that sense of you know, your friends, your family, being like did you make the right decision? Like is this going to work out? You know, and you're like, oh no, I'm trying really hard, man, I'm not sleeping a lot, I'm trying to do this.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah it's. It's important because I think it's one of the biggest things that hold people back because you had some success. But if you get hit in the face in your first attempt to do a coup on your life, go get your parents or what your friends think you should do, you stop because you're like, oh, I'm not doing that shit again and then you wear that scarlet letter the rest of your life. And you shouldn't. Because the truth is at some, you know, at some point you'll see you're still, it's still in you of what you wanted to go do and I think the lesson I'll try to get the people out there is like you, just you can't. You got to overcome other people's opinion because it's, you know, it's like, it's like an asshole, right, most, most people, I think. Some people don't have a butthole anymore, but I think it's because of cancer or something else, but for the most part, everyone's pretty much bored with a butthole and that's how you're going, wow the anatomy lesson we're getting on this.
Speaker 2:I probably need to go over into that, probably a little two or three layers deeper. Yeah, I don't know she, you can always edit out this stuff. No, you said just now definitely not.
Speaker 1:People don't know you edited it this already. No, I mean, you have to get to this point in the show.
Speaker 2:I saw the jump cut. Put your top on, put your shirt on, come on, come on, man.
Speaker 1:We're going back after a break, after Stephen pantsed himself, so Fake cuts.
Speaker 2:Go. Where do you want to go with this? Come on, hit me.
Speaker 1:Okay, along the way, success fails, right? Yeah, maybe. What I'd like to hear is what are you most grateful for in your life today?
Speaker 2:Two things, because the failure of the second and third company gave me such this feeling of depression of just I'm an idiot. I moved to New York to help a friend with a real estate deal and just get the hell out of town Like fresh scenery, fresh thing. I met Laura, my wife in yoga, now married, never thought I'd be married, met her I was like huh, actually maybe this is something I should consider. And we're having our first child in November, super excited about that.
Speaker 2:So, number one, my personal life changed dramatically. Wouldn't have left Los Angeles if I'd been little, you know, king of the hill still, you know Right. And second one is it really gave me a moment to pause and think about what did I learn and that's where my current company came from was man. I've seen high performers in film and high performers in tech and when they go to do that work that moves their life forward, they have very similar sort of mental tricks about getting into that spot and that I don't think it would have paused to observe if I'd been just like everything's going great.
Speaker 1:Uh, do you have anyone you're like you can't forgive right now?
Speaker 2:Do I have anyone in my life I can't forgive? Um, I had one. I have one friend right now that I'm not talking to because of disappointment in how he shows up and I think he's quietly doing some specific drugs that make him unreliable as a person, as a friend, and I've offered to help and he's not at the place where he's going to. You know, accept help.
Speaker 1:I asked that question because I think sometimes, as people navigate life, there's very few people who can answer that Like I'm happy I can there's you know, and oftentimes the answer is myself, and we don't go any deeper than that.
Speaker 2:I didn't think about that. Yeah, reasonable.
Speaker 1:See where you go. Maybe next time. In theory, people are working on it.
Speaker 2:Thank you, yes, tomorrow's $300 session right, okay, go, that's right here. I see, is that a new sofa? It's really nice.
Speaker 1:Thank you for noticing Appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll see what happens. You're going to have to insert a shot of the sofa now we'll be like what? Definitely not, that can't, can't change the camera, because the camera might turn off the camera might break if they see your orange shaggy sofa, but we're not touching.
Speaker 1:We're not touching you're from film, you know outside of this box is chaos, right, like if I come outside of the shot honey inside your box is chaos. Okay, let's be honest here I like how you did that. Yeah, coming soon. What is the time in your life you would go back to? And if you did, what would you do differently? Wouldn't?
Speaker 2:I've had some amazing experiences. Like you're on the red carpet for the first time for a movie that you worked on. It's super cool, even though technically it is a work event. And after you've done a hundred of them, you're like, oh, oh, my god, not another thing tonight where I have to see the same agents who are trying to sell me the same scripts and the same actors who want to be in my movie. Like the first time it's cool. When we sold the company, that was an amazing experience. I was like I'm 28 28 I'm so brilliant that I started a company that someone's going to buy us at a 6x multiple and I got to run it for four years. Like these guys trusted me to do that. That was super cool.
Speaker 2:But I'll tell you I don't have a kid this november and like my reality has already started to change. I'm also doing something with my life like work-wise, where I'm like this actually helps a ton more people than the wolverine, then transformers one and two, then star trek, then you know, go down any of them with seven. Like they're cool, people love to talk about them. But what I'm doing now, when people actually like this guy finished his dissertation. He's like I credit it to your flow state app. I'm a he's an assistant vice principal at a high school in missouri. I saw him using this late at night on weekends and one day he's like you can call me dr king. He's like I have passed and defended Dr King. He's like I have passed and defended my dissertation. I he was working on a PhD in engineering. That makes me super happy and like I want to do the same thing for my kid. Be like what do you want? How can I give you the conditions precedent to do what you're capable of? Go change the world, dude.
Speaker 1:I love it. That that's. And your definition of success like right when, way back when, would have been. You know, I want to get the oscar, I want even red carpet, I want money and his life shifts and you've defined it differently for yourself. And having a baby coming like you know, uh, you'll see, that is the whole purpose of life. You'll be like all right, you know it's great. You're in a spot where you can enjoy it, where many people, myself included, you're doing the hustle of corporate and travel and you just miss so many moments and it eats at you. Take advantage of the opportunity, because that is the one that you will remember. You've got three kids, you know.
Speaker 1:You have full dementia. You'll remember most of that.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm sure it's all coming, but yeah, it's going to be great. We'll try and relish each moment. I wouldn't go back. I really love Ram right now.
Speaker 1:I love it. Do what? Uh, I'm going to go the other way with this one.
Speaker 2:What's the worst business advice you've ever received? Oh, I've gotten a bar Oof. Wow, I've got bad business advice. And this is actually what I tell when I'm helping friends with as much as people who maybe want to help you could be investors, could be friends, could be advisors. Give you advice because they want to help you genuinely. Don't listen to any of their advice unless they have done the thing. Everyone has an idea about how food delivery, photo sharing apps could be better, how the car wash should work, Unless they have built a car wash and sold it. Don't listen, Just nod and be like okay, cool, that's a data point. But man, if you get talking to Tony from DoorDash and he talks to you about how it actually went down, listen.
Speaker 1:That's a really good advice, because I think there's a lot of people who are intentionally trying to help you. Though your opinion is interesting, it's irrelevant, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like me talking to the pilot on the flight being like, hey, man, you should really do this. When we bank into the airport, he's like okay, 14b, thanks Bye. I'm going to sail the plane now.
Speaker 1:You want 11A. That's the seat right. That's the one survivor from the.
Speaker 2:Air India one. Good, Wow, nice data point yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what? What else do you know? I'd say my data points are worthless and sometimes inappropriate, and I say you're right, all right, let's keep moving forward just a little bit. If there's one business book you've got to read, it's a must Before you become an entrepreneur and even after.
Speaker 2:Dude, I'm going to give you an answer. No one has or will ever give you right, cause there are so many good business books out there about how to optimize your funnel your branding, do your you know cashflow, budgeting, build your thing, validate your market, like. There are some really smart people way smarter than I that have written about that. I'm going to give you an answer. There are some really smart people way smarter than I that have written about that. I'm going to give you an answer you would never guess. You'll never hear again.
Speaker 2:There's a book called the Lessons of History. Okay, it is written by this married couple, will and Ariel Durant, who spent their life writing the history of civilization. At the end of it this is like 4,000 pages, 11 volumes you know, huge tome. Right, they were like what did we learn about humans? And they wrote this little book. It's, I'm going to guess, maybe 150 pages and it is the distillate of a lifetime studying humans. You could take any chapter out of that and probably come up with a fantastic business idea, because you'll go oh my God, today we are matching this pattern. What happened next? And do that.
Speaker 1:Not to sound Armageddon or whatever, if that's a word, but we are humans and we are from DNA which we can be ourselves. Most of us have been replicated and unhatched. Even those who've been hatched have been replicated. But the idea is that we do repeat history because we are repeating who we are as a species. Zingo and context changes, but the primal natures and the things we fall back to and want needs whatever Completely. I believe we're in the roaring 20s again complete.
Speaker 1:I 100 agree with everything you're saying, which is shocking to say I agree with you're the first and, but I do believe in the future we we have to navigate. What happened after roaring 20s? Um, we had some major wars. We had a lot of you know, fallouts and markets. We had a lot of stuff that's happened and the antithesis for that right now, I believe, will be things like AI and other technologies. I don't know if you guys were aware of this. In Northern California not too long ago, they may or may not have produced a star for a few moments, which means in a fusion reactor. It's pretty cool, got more energy out than they put in that. Or mathematicians did the math wrong, which probably is not the case. Maybe the coders did it wrong when they're coding, so that's more likely. But at the end of the day, that's a huge deal Because, by the way, if you create too big of a star, we're all over instantly.
Speaker 2:Yes, you've seen like nuclear reactors that are being shipped on the back of flatbeds Like it's a thing. It's like, oh, that coal plant or even the windmill is solar, whatever it is you hate. I'm not going to take a political stance, but the fact that we have nuclear react, nuclear reactors down to the size you can stick them in an 18 wheeler and deliver them, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with you on this, though.
Speaker 2:So we're we're in a replicated mode, and I think history rhymes and I offer you this book as a business book because, man, if you read that, then that you're going to go.
Speaker 1:I see the cycles, I see the 150 page book, not the 55,000 page one don't read the long one yeah, now what they did is the guys. They took an AI summary and said what do we do here? And they did 150 pages and they just looked at each other under deathbed and they're like we could have done this in 150 pages. We got that.
Speaker 2:I love you're so pro-AI. You know this is. I'm actually in bed right now. This is an avatar.
Speaker 1:You're laying flat. He has no actual lower body. Hey, there was a question I should have asked you today and I didn't.
Speaker 2:You asked this question before, I think. I think this is a. This is the mystery question.
Speaker 1:You only know it is if you come into the back of the podcast or you listen to a show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've listened. I've done both. Now actually I'm not sure I feel better for that, but I've done both.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying you've wasted a good time, but you made our vanity metrics. Folks, Thank you.
Speaker 2:There you go, check, all right, what's the question.
Speaker 1:I should have asked you how do?
Speaker 2:you answer it. The question you should ask me is if I could go back in history and change one thing, what would it be?
Speaker 1:That's my question list. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2:Thanks if I could go back to the Reagan era and imbue everyone on earth with 5% more empathy. I would love to see how that played out today.
Speaker 1:I want you to know you're restricted from time travel because you didn't go back on your own journey. Therefore, you cannot go back on anybody else's.
Speaker 2:You're making up these rules, but I've already gone to a parallel universe where I make up the rules, so did you want?
Speaker 1:Forgot it Double, triple, stamped it right there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sorry, thor, whatever.
Speaker 1:I think that was Jim Carrey and Jeff Bridges. And Dumb and Dumber, you can't double stamp. A triple stamp.
Speaker 2:Dude, it's Gwyneth in Sliding Door. Choose what you want.
Speaker 1:It is, it is, it is. I can't hang a movie because you're from that industry, so I'm going to stop now. Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right. All the time, travel movies break down into one of two things the past was bad, can I go back and fix it, or the present is good. Oh, oh shit, someone's gonna go back on the past. I have to make sure I preserve the present. So it's either like back to the future michael j fox's family is screwed up and he's like if I go to the past I can fix today, or today's good and someone's gonna break the past. I have to go fix, save it.
Speaker 1:That's every movie I like very much so, by the way, the man and the high castle, the parallel universe that you're like. Hey, the idea with that was like that's actually going on now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I love that movie. That was like it took a little while to get there, though. Anyway, there you go. Restock chance for everybody who should get ahold of you, and where's the one place they should go.
Speaker 2:Oh, easiest thing is I'm in the group chat in Suka every day. So if you want to come meet a whole bunch of other productive people and get inspired, drop into thesukaco. And man, if there's only one thing you do do something with your life, Don't waste it in Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, Snap, Twitter, you know.
Speaker 1:Don't, yeah, Speaking of which guys follow us on Twitter or?
Speaker 2:Snapchat. So, and while you're at it was repost this on LinkedIn and then, if you could share it to Twitter.
Speaker 1:I spoke LinkedIn as well. Listen to his advice solid YouTube subscribe now. Yeah, thank you for coming on today. I appreciate it awesome.
Speaker 2:Okay, goodbye everyone.
Speaker 1:Thank you for anybody made it, this point, the show.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for listening exactly are you going to give them the lottery numbers this week or no?
Speaker 1:no, no, it's next week. Um, okay, I'll give it. I'll give this week's numbers next week, but I'm talking to the audience here now. So if you were here for the first time, I hope it's the first of many. If you've been here before, I hope you.
