Love & Marriage DC: Jamie Tyler Talks Season 3, Carlos King and Toxic Friendships

Jamie Tyler III, a former detective turned reality TV sensation, graces us with his presence, sharing the real-deal on his transformation to a full-time Love and Marriage DC star. It's more than just glitz and glamour; Jamie peels back the layers on the triumphs and trials of life in the limelight. From the evolution of the Oprah Winfrey Network's ownership to the crucial distinction between black-owned and black-targeted media, we're shining a light on the depth behind the drama, ensuring that you walk away from this conversation with a richer understanding of the narratives shaping black viewership today.

Reality TV isn't just about the fireworks on screen; it's a mirror to the complexities of our lives – love, marriage, and the pursuit of authenticity in a world of scripted shadows. As we dissect the shifting dynamics within the Love and Marriage franchise, we uncover the resilience needed to withstand public scrutiny and personal strife. Join us as we navigate the murky waters of social media influence, producer-driven content, and the balancing act between private peace and public personas. This episode doesn't just scratch the surface; we're getting to the heart of what makes or breaks relationships in the harsh spotlight of reality television.

Wrapping things up, our discussion pivots to the celebration of black love and the growing presence of male voices in reality TV. We tackle the significance of representation, entrepreneurship, and the sheer determination it takes to foster enduring relationships in the fast-paced world of show business. With Jamie Tyler's candid stories as our guide, we affirm the power of community, the reality of off-screen feuds, and the importance of genuine storytelling. So, buckle up for a journey through the peaks and valleys of love and life, as seen through the lens of those who live it for the world to see.

Transcript

Sanya: 0:07

This is not a video. When I was coming out, we had to go outside the city.

Jamie: 0:12

We had to go travel, go out of town, beat down doors. This was the first time Bill has ever gone on this set.

Sanya: 0:19

He said here comes the token. This is not a video. And out of my mouth I said F you, my fans are asking for positive women with family and business. That's what we bring to the show and yet still it's like, oh, she's boring. It's my real story. This is really who I am. I build myself off a dollar and a dream without a man's help, without a basketball player. Particularly, the patriarchal box says white, cisgender males have defined for us should be how we define ourselves. That's what they were saying on the street. I didn't say it. That's what they were saying on the street the streets, the avenues and the bulletin. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

Sanya: 1:06

You're now tuned into another amazing edition of Sanya on Air, where I unpack celebrity pivotal moments and their milestones. I'm your host, sanya Hudson-Pain, and today I have an exciting show for you. Now, who isn't tuned into reality television? Each and every single day, it seems like reality television is taking over scripted television. Now, if you're tuned into reality television, like I am, that's my guilty pleasure. What about you? Is that your guilty pleasure too? I watch the most ratchet television, and then we'll turn to a documentary right after Now. Today's guest he is part of own television's Love and Marriage DC. Now if you've been watching this spin-off show, remember the first of the Love and Marriage franchise was Love and Marriage Huntsville. So now we have Love and Marriage DC and we're so used to the women leading the narratives on these reality shows, but now the husbands, they're finding their voices and they're taking over.

Sanya: 2:11

So I have Jamie Tyler III. Now you may know him and his wife because they are super fabulous, super amazing. His wife is Irana Tyler, dressed to the nines, dressed to the gods. Both of them. I really look at them like this dynamic power couple. Not only is he a part of reality television, but during his first season he was a detective who was soon to retire. Now he stepped fully into the retirement zone, but just imagine being a detective trying to arrest someone.

Sanya: 2:44

They're like wait a minute, didn't I see you on own network last night arguing with your wife, arguing with your other cast members? So we're going to find out about his firsts. How did he get on reality television? I really want you to get to understand all of these people behind the television camera, because you just see what they want you to see. But I'm going to ask him a few questions, like when was the first time you lost your virginity? Those are the type of questions I want to know, so make sure that you stay tuned in. But before I bring Jamie onto this edition of Sonya On Air, I have a few things that I want to talk about.

Sanya: 3:22

Now. There's this conversation that is becoming a resounding conversation on television, across streaming platforms and in real life black-owned versus black targeted, and I think that people are now starting to understand the difference. You see all of these shows with an all black cast on some networks that have the word bliggly black in it, but it doesn't mean that it is black-owned. For example, the Oprah Winfrey Network. Okay, it just so happens that I have Jamie Tyler. His show, love and Marriage DC, is on the Oprah Winfrey Network. Now, when the Oprah Winfrey Network first launched, of course Oprah Winfrey was the founder. She was a majority shareholder, but then things started happening. She sold a huge portion of the Oprah Winfrey Network to the Discovery Channel. Did you know that? So, first the Discovery Channel. They came in in 2017, and they bought just a little bit of portion. Then, in 2020, they owned 73% of the own network. Now, in 2024, they own 95% of the network. So it is no longer black-owned, which makes it black targeted. Now let me show you an example of black-owned versus black targeted. Now, this movie is a remake and it has been just on everyone's radar for the past, I would say two months. The color purple. Now, many people would think that the color purple was black-owned because you have big names such as Oprah Winfrey behind it. So therefore, we showed up and we showed out because of the all black cast Spent our money, told the kids you're not getting any Christmas presents because I got to go see the color purple and guess what Remakes billions, maybe even millions, maybe billions, I don't know. But we raised a lot of money for that film. But guess what? The owners of that film is not black-owned. So what happens is a lot of these white corporations, a lot of these white organizations. They come in and they know what the black audience is like, because we are the number one dollar spenders, we watch the most television, so they create content that is geared strictly towards us, but the money goes to them. So we have to be mindful of the messaging. We have to be mindful of who we are giving our hard-earned money to. Because I ain't got it, matter of fact, I need to borrow five dollars, okay. So once again, black-owned versus black targeted. Now talking about reality TV, I don't know if it's becoming entertainment or anger-teamant. A lot of this reality TV that I see it is so stereotypical I'm talking about on the black side and on the white side too, very, very stereotypical. But let's just talk about the black narratives on reality television.

Sanya: 6:37

Now, going back to the Oprah Winfrey Network when it was black-owned by Miss Oprah Winfrey black-owned versus black targeted when it was black-owned, let me give you an example of some of the shows that was on the own network Greenleaf canceled. Queen Sugar canceled. David Makes man canceled. Sweetie Pie's love me, some Sweetie Pie's canceled. Beverly's Full House canceled.

Sanya: 7:10

Then, when all of those black shows became canceled, we started to see the emergence of these black targeted shows Ie, love and Marriage, dc Love and Marriage, huntsville Bell Collective, ready to Love. The content started to change. The content started to change and then I was looking at, well, talking to some other business professionals who are in the media space, the television space, and they were saying that there's just some genre, some content that is so difficult to sell because black audiences aren't watching. So therefore, this is why they are ushering in so many reality shows. Once again, it's turning from entertainment to anger-tainment. So we have to be careful about what we are watching on television. Now just talk about other black shows canceled in 2023. And we're only in three weeks, into January 2024.

Sanya: 8:13

Shows already canceled Issa Rae's RAPISH I'm so, so frustrated and angry about that. That was a awesome, awesome, awesome show. If you haven't caught up on RAPISH, make sure that you go to I forgot HBO Max. It's on HBO Max. Make sure you catch the first and second season because, darling, like I said, it was canceled. Another show GRONISH canceled. Everything's trash starring Phoebe Robinson Cancelled. Legendary Cancelled. Kendrick Cancelled. A Black Lady sketch show Cancelled. The game rebelled Cancelled. The Wonder Year's remake Cancelled.

Sanya: 8:56

We really have to support black owned and not just black targeted. There is a huge, huge difference. So please make sure that you add those terms to your vernacular, because black owned versus black targeted is two different things. We don't want people to create content. To me. It's just like I can't say this word because YouTube will flag it, and I was about to go onto my Sanya rant.

Sanya: 9:24

We have to make sure that we are being mindful of the subliminal messaging that programming is instilling into our minds and our psyche, because then you find yourself behaving that way. Now, like I told you at the onset of this conversation, I watch some of the most ratchet shows, but there's a balance. There's a balance. I can't fill my whole TV viewership with a certain type of show, because that kind of speaks to who I am. And once again, the black experience is not a monolith. It has so many different layers and I'm just encouraging you all to just tap into it. If you haven't watched a documentary in a few years, put it on your to-do list for the week. We have to start showing these television executives that we are tuned into all types of genre, not just the stereotypical genre that they write for us and it's not really capturing our experience. So make sure that you are mindful about that.

Sanya: 10:28

Now, carlos King. He is producing a lot of shows, a lot of reality shows on the Oprah Winfrey network. I think he's doing a great job. He's also kind of tapped into the blogging space. We don't want to call him a blogger. Shout out to Dr Simone from Married to Medicine, a past Sanya on your guest. But sometimes it seems as if he has favorites, especially when it comes to love and marriage Huntsville. You can tell that is his baby and I just want to know from Jamie Tyler's perspective is Carlos giving love and marriage DC the same amount of love and attention that he's given to love and marriage, huntsville, and also Bell Collective.

Sanya: 11:14

So why don't we do this? Let's take a quick commercial break and I'll be right back with Sanya on air and also Jamie Tyler. Oh, I forgot, I forgot. Like I said, I've been out of the studio for quite some time. Make sure you subscribe Sanya on air streams across just about every major streaming platform. If you're watching this on YouTube, not only subscribe, and make sure you hit the notification bell. That way, every time I upload an all new Sanya on air celebrity interview unpacking their pivotal moments and their milestones, will be the first ones to know.

Sanya: 11:47

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Jamie: 12:32

I had to be in DC today for a ceremony, so I'm flying back out my way to get on my computer and that Wi-Fi went out.

Sanya: 12:46

Oh it happens. I'm praying for the Wi-Fi gods that it don't interrupt my computer. So you're all good, Okay. Because they call it me like the Wi-Fi.

Jamie: 12:55

I said, okay, what you telling me for? I said it's probably Xfinity. And then I got a text saying sorry, it's an out of junior neighborhood, it should be backed by five o'clock.

Sanya: 13:07

I said oh my God, oh wow.

Jamie: 13:08

So I called my daughter because she lives near me. I said you home. I said I need to come up, you know, sit in here. She's like come on, I'm here. But she got it. I love it.

Sanya: 13:17

I love it when the children come to the rescue when Wi-Fi works.

Jamie: 13:22

I'm like. I'm like do you got a light? Do you got a thing? She's like I don't have none of that.

Sanya: 13:27

I said all right, fuck it, we'll make it work. We'll make it work. But let me tell you something, jamie I'm a fan. I'm a fan of you and your wife just representing for Black Love on Love and Marriage DC. How did you get introduced to the show so?

Jamie: 13:42

we got introduced by Monique Samuels and I'm like I'm a fan of you and your wife just representing for Black Love on Love and Marriage, dc and Charley, I suppose to be this way, right, you're fine. So Fatoma had reached out to Raina as a friend of the show with Monique, one of her own. There were her before she left as a friend. Uh-huh, and soon as she said she'd do it, she left. So then Carlos called Monique about love and marriage and said I want y'all to you know audition. And we did and they picked us.

Sanya: 14:19

Wow. Well, speaking of Monique, you know I wasn't even going to steer the question towards her, but we definitely miss her on love and marriage DC. You know she transitioned from there from Potomac. Housewives of Potomac. Do you miss Monique being on the show?

Jamie: 14:33

I do miss Monique, because Monique was the veteran in that world we want and when we came in she had like dudes and dunks and she kind of broke it down like we're not doing this to have, you know, the Terry Chow emerges and tap families and we all met before the first, I guess, production meeting and we all want the same page and as soon as she left it went out the window. So now everybody's beefing, as you can probably see.

Sanya: 15:08

Yes, everybody's beefing and we're highly anticipating the start of this new season. But even though Monique gave you the do's and the don'ts, is there anything that you and your wife did on the show that you watched and you now regret?

Jamie: 15:27

Now that I regret.

Jamie: 15:28

I mean I just think for us being together 30 plus years, it was a lot of old stuff that she felt like she had to bring back up for drama, because we kind of at peace right now. So it was like you want me to talk about 15 years ago or 20 years ago, Like what were we talking about? Because I wasn't going back down that road. I mean, some of that stuff was really really touching and I didn't want to revisit it. So when she did, I think I co-held for some of my reactions season one, and I was like I said, I mean I did this for you, I didn't care about reality, and then you're going to go back down a memory lane or some shit. I did when I was like 30 years old. I'm 50, now About to be 51. And we still talking about that. Well, they need drama. And then I said, yeah, but I ain't what I signed up for. And you saw real reactions from me in them, scenes Like, oh, so you planned with me for a production, ok.

Sanya: 16:33

You know, women, we never forget anything. We'll bring up something.

Jamie: 16:37

And look, we don't either. So that's why I'm going to come back on. You're going to see us have another blow up of old shit, and it's the same. I was like you want me to co-sign your thoughts when I had those same thoughts when the shoes was reversed and you was like, oh you tripping, you tripping, you going to know it's the same shit.

Sanya: 17:00

So how do you handle that? Let's say, you know, cameras rolling, Irana brings up something that you did not know about, Like do you just go with the flow or do you wait until they say cut? And you'd be like no, wait a goddamn minute, Like what was that? I think I show.

Jamie: 17:13

I'm a react, really All reaction. Yeah, even at the reunion season one, when they followed us walking off set and I said I told you stop playing me, you going to make me really act up on this reunion. And then they turned out to me oh my god, he's going to beat her up. I learned in this world you can't win. Like you got to really, really watch what you say in New York to that microscope.

Sanya: 17:42

Yes, yes. So how did you take it? Because you know your life is on display for all of reality television. We see the dynamics of your relationship with your wife and your children. How do you handle some of the backlash that the audience gives you?

Jamie: 17:59

See for me, because I come from that law enforcement background. I'm used to confrontation and responding, but it's in your face, it's not on a computer, Right? So I don't do too good on reading trolls or castmates talking. I'm like I know if I really really go in number one.

Jamie: 18:19

Instagram or Facebook will block my account. Yes, so I'm learning, talking to my big brother, I'll be sure, who has been an icon for decades, and he talks me out the tree Because I'll be like man I'm about to. He's like nah. He said you got to think them people you know to keep it a hundred, like they here and you're here and if you respond, you just made them relevant or more important than they really are and it's like, why are you even stressing yourself out? Respond.

Sanya: 18:53

Yes, yes, I just came to that conclusion. Just last week, I said I'm not going to waste my time arguing with individuals and I know I would never be in the same room with them. So why am I wasting my time, my energy, my black excellence on people that I wouldn't even be in the same room with?

Jamie: 19:12

And you know what? I can tell you one thing like from this, from being on TV now and before TV, I would like comment on like a big page or celebrity page and then when you see that celebrity like it or respond, you're like oh shit, they were male conics. So I feel like now, because the word is, Jamie won't clap back, it is what it is. And I see them now just trying to get me Like I read like a big page, my post, you know a video or a picture with me, like I can respond on this, me in the damn post, and then they'll say watch that bald head evil man respond. And then I see the comment. I'm like no, I ain't going to say no. And I was like this is crazy, like it is, I'm the one they posted, it's the flyer of the show, yeah, and I said fire, or whatever I say. See, I told you look, look, he's so fresh he's so fresh.

Sanya: 20:14

But do you think you've developed like thicker skin since being on the show? Because you have to. You have to, especially living in this space. Have you developed thicker skin?

Jamie: 20:23

Yeah, you have to and I was pretty popular prior to reality TV from other stuff I had going on, but, like I said, it was more in your face. They wouldn't like talk about me on these apps. You know. If I see them in an event, you know somebody has something to say, they'll say it.

Sanya: 20:42

Right.

Jamie: 20:43

But now it's millions and millions of people who just sitting in their mother basement or wherever and they can just try to get under your skin until you be sure. Yes, so the real answer to that is to not read the comments.

Sanya: 20:59

And.

Jamie: 21:00

I'm a lot better now, but season one, season one, I was on YouTube like this, I don't know what to and then I was on Instagram, then I was on Twitter, then I was on United. I was reading and I was going crazy Because I was like, hey, and even what happened? They trying to act like I tried to like snatch your head. In that one scene I was like what Y'all even come up with this?

Sanya: 21:24

Well, but you know we keep talking about your wife, irana, and you mentioned you've been married, for you said 30 years.

Jamie: 21:31

So we just hit 28 two weeks ago.

Sanya: 21:34

Oh my gosh. So when you go through those tough spaces because of the show, how do you navigate around the tough space to get back to the love?

Jamie: 21:45

I would say one thing about us is we have battle tested and we've been together 30, 31 years. So all that we've yeah, I think we're talking about 93. It's 2024. So, whatever you can imagine, we probably went through Whatever went through. We went through it Probably two or three times. So with TV, our thing is we're going to give y'all raw Jamie and Irana raw conversation, raw reactions, and I'm the type of guy if I don't like it, I'm going to tell you I don't like it, if she don't like it, she going to tell you. And I feel like, as a 28, 30-something relationship, you can have those conversations and then move on. Once it's resolved, I think people will get on these platforms and try not to show these conversations. They're fake and I see it. When I'm shown, I'm sitting there like how can y'all never have a disagreement, right? Or you never tell your wife nah, you wrong, like you shouldn't have said that, you shouldn't have did that. I'm going to tell Reina that she's going to tell me you should.

Jamie: 22:58

That's what I mean is reality TV. Just because she did something that the whole audience and the cast everybody said was messed up, I'm not going to co-sign it on TV. I'm going to be like, nah, you shouldn't have said that or you shouldn't have did that. I'm going to say it. I'm not going to wait till we get off camera and say, girl, you know you wrong, that's fake man and that's a lot of that going on. It is Without a chance.

Sanya: 23:24

And I think that's why the relationship between you and your wife works on television is because we see the different nuances, the ups and the downs. My parents were married for 50 years and I know all too well about the highs and the lows of a long-term relationship and people need to see those things Because this generation now. They go through something difficult with their mate or partner and they're quickly out the door. But when you are in love with someone, you go through the times, good or the bad, and you work it out. Now, talking about your relationship, I learned somewhere that your first date to your girlfriend then but your wife now, was at Wendy's. Is that true?

Jamie: 24:06

So we weren't even girlfriend, boyfriend back then. Okay, that was literally like like a sneak, a sneaky, creepy date, like Like we work together. So it was like, can I take you to lunch? And it was like we got to find a little spot in that area in Virginia. Well, you know, you couldn't go where everybody, my words, somebody sees, because she still had a dude it was Wendy's I.

Sanya: 24:39

Love it because there's a conversation that's been happening for about a month or two on social media Like about the ideal first date, and they were like Wendy's was not one of them and I'm just like you know, if you really like a person, no matter where you go, it's all about you and that person. So I was glad to see that on the Informal or unofficial first date you took her to to Wendy's. Do you remember what she ordered?

Jamie: 25:04

I Mean back to some 1993. Yeah, I mean, it was probably Number number one, number two that was. You know, it was a burger and fried, that's what we.

Sanya: 25:19

Let me tell you, I ask that question because I have a significant other that I also met in 1993, and I remember the clothing that he had on. Oh, wow, yes, yes.

Jamie: 25:32

So this day I will say this Raina, raina, the stylish woman you see. Now, raina was like that when I met her in pride to me mean, she was the only girl that I have seen wearing Versace Chanel, like as a teenager, like she was coming to work, in all this stuff. You can tell, you can tell she's always been that.

Sanya: 26:00

Yeah, she was most stylish all through high school you can tell every year, but talk about high school and the way people Show up. I want to talk about the relationship between you and the rest of the cast. I want to talk about is there a real friendship? Is it just a situation ship or you frenemies? How is your relationship with the rest of the cast members?

Jamie: 26:22

So the only people I really had a relationship with is is quick and that's because I was throwing events. I've been doing events for over 20 years DC area across the US so I mean I was booking quick in my 30s for do it for DJ my burpees. If I did stuff in Vegas I will fly him out the DJ that stuff.

Sanya: 26:48

So he was like the radio.

Jamie: 26:49

DJ in the DC area, so a lot of my big stuff. I put him on just a weekly stuff. I have my other little DJs. But His wife I met at my club I'm a club probably Shit probably 13, 14 years ago she's. I didn't even know she was that young until TV. Okay, so you took my 13 years ago, she was in her 20s. I didn't even know that she was in the club and the ladies met. I think it took a picture. I met her. I didn't know her like that. And then you fast forward us to 2022 with a TV show and put us in the room together to try to get a room Winter. Never seen her in my life. Friday TV Monique oh, monique and Chris I I think we seen them out and about, but never really, never really trying. Season one, surel and Black. Season two. We did know them for a few years.

Sanya: 27:58

Well, they be back, sure, ellen, and her husband black.

Jamie: 28:01

They're on the second half. Okay, they don't know anything after that. I don't know right right. Who else is on the cash?

Sanya: 28:10

Joy and, and so.

Jamie: 28:14

In talking to the cliff and he was attending my events back on the day, but we probably met, you know. You know I speak to everybody. Hey, what's up bro? And he said we met, but you know. I didn't have a relationship with him until ready to love and then when we were picked up, and then we did each other. He's like man. Congratulations, and I was telling him congratulations so that was that's kind of what kicked us off and. I've never met joy until You're a film season two.

Sanya: 28:44

So is there any couple on the show that you find a very difficult developing an organic relationship with?

Jamie: 28:53

Well, it's only three. So it's us silvers and the patties. I would say, because of the state we are in today, the silvers are Harder. It's gonna be hard because it's a lot that happens since we rap. Lot of lot of stuff has been said on Twitter, on interviews, you name it, and you know a lot of this stuff is like like I've really done Because I didn't. I didn't hang with these people, like I don't care, but I tried to leave it at the reunion, leave the door open, to say, hey, I Can, I can do business with y'all, because this business at this point, but all that other that's, that's over.

Sanya: 29:35

I can't wow, so will we see any of that on this new season? Like the, the, the disconnect between you and DJ quick Silva and his wife Ashley.

Jamie: 29:46

I think you're gonna see the start of it and I'm gonna hit started a little bit in the furrier did it, uh-huh, and I mean a lot of that a Lot of the back and forth with me and quick.

Jamie: 29:58

You know, like I said, from onyx meeting I never was. My intent was never to throw him under bus or his family or none of that on professionals and scenes. But as you see, when you see professionals, you like what down, yeah, and I kept finding myself saying, damn, like you. And then I'm like listening, I'm like, yeah, I know, that wasn't even really like that. Now you For TV, then you blown it up like I got a whole drinking problem and I'm just like what are we doing? Like so so when they come back on, after what I saw, I'm a I'm a whole different person. My professionals are nowhere near like they were the first.

Jamie: 30:38

Really, and then and then, um, you know from when we wrap filming? I feel like that's when the real riff came, hmm as a Twitter, twitter stuff, right.

Sanya: 30:52

Oh wow, do you think that you'll ever get to a place where the relationships can be mended, or it's too far gone?

Jamie: 30:59

I just think, uh, and I don't know what they're gonna show at the reunion. I think the reunion For me, pride nailed it door shut with me and pride ran into you because the reunion is that bad, it's oh. Wow. It's like this in this world you can have shade, we are, we all understood the shade.

Jamie: 31:19

We're gonna have got a head shade, okay right squeaky clean, happy, go lucky for 1213 episode ain't gonna work right, but but when you have back and forth with your cast, it should never go to the point where now I'm trying to destroy you and your integrity and your fat like and that's what started happening, like at the reunion, like it was any dirt I had or thought I had. I'm saying at the reunion, you know, you know what they show, that's what happened. And I'm sitting here listening to this stuff. I'm like, oh, she really, really don't fuck with us. Wow, there's, none of this would have ever came out my mouth, you know.

Sanya: 31:59

I'm sorry, right. So do you think a lot of the Disconnect or the disrespect was purposely done because the cameras were rolling?

Jamie: 32:09

So that's what I thought, but if you watch her on Twitter and on Instagram, she the realest thing on TV and everything she said, that's her. So she, she's saying that's who she is and I believe her, like literally, it's a scene, is a real pivotal scene You're gonna see probably third, maybe third or fourth episode, and she, she, she goes off on a castmate. I'm sitting here like, oh, this guy be fatigued, this guy really, because they wasn't that serious but it escalated so bad. That that's that's the pivotal point of the whole second half, where all the relationship did like that, yeah, and I was just like I'm like, even when I talk to the husband, I was like I said, bro, that was a TV. I thought that was a TV, mom, mm-hmm, because other than that it was no way. That would have like no way. She's getting in my face like that, wow, but I'm not surprised.

Sanya: 33:05

I'm not surprised at all because I think it was the end of the first season or the second season and we started to notice Ashley kind of changing, you know, getting a little bit more battery in her back, and we it just seemed as if her personality was changing just because of time. She seemed as if her Pat personality was changing just because of television. Yes, so I'm not surprised to see if her personality is now on level 20.

Jamie: 33:36

This is on 50 when it come back. And if you just look at Twitter and Instagram, you could see she like doubling down on the jet. I'm the bad guy, I'm with it, wow. And that's where I said like I go back to Monique statement. Like we had a whole dinner like don't let this show Make us where we are today. And oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we all are in the green. And now we're literally Like don't fuck with each other at all.

Jamie: 34:04

Oh, wow it gets worse every day because the social media shit Like it ain't even you know how the cats live tweet when the show on and they go back like that's what we started with that. Now, we was doing that, but it was all in boosting the show or whatever. But then she, you know her little crew, you know they sitting there clapping back at me or right, and I'm like tell your people chill, like like this will be posted. Do we posted? Talk shit to each other? Right, but they can't keep talking shit to them Because I'm gonna be fine with them and I think that's what set me her apart, because I responded to somebody who just kept at me, just kept at me and they in it and they just, they just enabled their shit, like everything they do is it was nothing wrong with. I'm like Did the whole thing with him calling my son bad in that scene, yeah, he should, like the whole internet said Brad, I'm talking about these people, kids, you don't even right, yeah.

Jamie: 35:05

And then when I said something on Twitter about it, the little girl got at me like quick this and quick. I'm like show it, he's wrong, we're not gonna keep going back. Nobody's gonna say that was right, but y'all Is gonna say well, he meant to do swear or like, and that that's gonna come back up when they come back on. You can see how that played out. Wow, again no accountability.

Sanya: 35:31

No, yeah. So I know this, like this is a spinoff from Like love and marriage, huntsville, and I know on that show the ensemble cast started to have some sort of turmoil and Carlos King had to step in. Has there been a time that Carlos King had to step in with your cast and say, ok, what the eff is happening here? We need to get back on track. So how is he supporting all of this?

Jamie: 35:58

I think that's coming. I think that's soon, really, I think. Because I mean, even when I got into it with Winter Season 1, that got ugly behind the scenes too, because her team snowflake fans, started talking to me on social media and they were googling my house and posting pictures of my house. Somehow. It don't make me pull up Like really. Yeah, I was like man. Let me explain something to you, bro.

Jamie: 36:27

I was a police in DC 25 years. If you come near this house faking Right, I promise you won't leave. You won't leave, like I'm OK. And so what I did? I just documented it with the local police just to let them know this was. I was threatening. They did share my house and I hit Carlos.

Jamie: 36:48

I said hey, her fan club is talking shit to me and threatening me. I'm telling you, I ain't that guy. He's gonna go left real quick. And he was like you know, he kind of was like let me try to calm it down, whatever. So that kind of blew over as time went on, but he probably won't have to do it because I know me, you know I'm a Tars and one thing I don't play with is don't lie on me, right, I could get myself in trouble. Trust me, don't make up shit on me for TV. And then it's so wrong. Then you're like, oh well, well, somebody told me that that's why I was so mad.

Jamie: 37:30

I went to. I was like, went to Whoever sent you. That is a fake page. And I tell him Senator, rainer, you don't even know us, mind your business. Like you try to stop shit to stay on the show. And it was so obvious, like it worked. She's still here. But it was like we don't, we would never seen you in our life. So anybody sending you shit clearly is not a fan of me. And, Rainer, right, hit, hit and you just ran with it for TV. Oh, look what I got, look what I got. I'm going shorty.

Sanya: 38:02

Yeah, this whole social media space has turned everyone into a thug. I don't like it at all At all, Because I'm like once I present you with an opportunity, I really see how much of a thug you are not.

Jamie: 38:16

I think I moved on with Winster because we were. We kept ending up in the same room and I knew we were going to do another season back then. So I went over to and I said, look, I'm going to make peace with you right now Because I know we got to exist. You ain't going nowhere in even my. I said, but I'm going to just tell you this Leave my marriage alone, like that was your angle to get on the show. Cool, you made it, congratulations. But, moving forward, leave my house alone for real, got it. We kind of like came to agreement like all right, cool, you know you can get your own storyline, you on the show. Now you got to do your thing there. I got five storylines and you want to add mama T, that's another one. We got finished here to talk about it. My only, you stop shit.

Sanya: 39:09

I hear that, I hear that. But you know, I mentioned Love and Marriage Huntsville a few times and that show is really, really just taken off. What do you think Love and Marriage DC needs to do in order to surpass the ratings of Love and Marriage Huntsville?

Jamie: 39:25

Well, I think Huntsville really, really blasted off with the Martel scan.

Sanya: 39:31

Yeah.

Jamie: 39:32

In this world we live in. That's what they want. They want to do. Yes, infidelity, and you name it, you know Love and Marriage. Dc me personally, and I can speak for me and Reina I was a highly decorated law enforcement waved in full TV.

Jamie: 39:54

So TV was never in my mind to be on reality TV one day. So my integrity for that and who I am I was often cameras I would never set that out for TV. So it's just so much I'm going to do and I'm not going to keep arguing with people I don't even fool with in real life. So at some point, carlos, going to have a meeting, like you said, and figure out how to move forward. Because my family yeah, we can get y'all out of that. We can get out of real family ups and downs and all that. We can do that. But to keep arguing with other couples for ratings and all, I'm not doing it Right, I'm not, because I don't have the temper to keep sugarcoating shit. Eventually I'm going to go all the way left. Children go all the way left. I mean all the way left.

Sanya: 40:47

I get it, I totally get it. But I love the fact that you haven't gone tiki-tiki boom yet, because a fan like me, I don't want to see all of the arguing every single week. And I've got Carlos's name because I'm thinking maybe he isn't giving Love and Marriage DC the same amount of attention that he's been giving to Love and Marriage Huntsville. Would you agree or disagree?

Jamie: 41:12

Oh, yeah, we definitely have our fellas on the marketing behind us, the promotion, like all this week we're doing press. This is my relationships with all the local news and radio. Nobody from owners reached out and said, hey, press week, I need you all to do all these interviews, nobody knows. But when Huntsville girl come back on, they got commercial, they got All this. But then you talk about ratings, but y'all don't even put the same effort into it.

Sanya: 41:46

I definitely noticed that. I noticed that. Yeah, in order to prepare for this conversation, I looked across different social media platforms just to see if you all were doing interviews and I said there's not a lot of promotion and marketing and the interviews going behind this? And I see it. I'm a fan of Carlos King and the work that he's curated and produced, but I can definitely tell that he has his favorites.

Jamie: 42:15

Yeah, I think I mean I read Twitter Even that long delay. He called him and only in his defense I will say it was above him, it was an on thing. I hit him directly. What is that? Because I got stuff I could be doing in retirement, but I don't want to start it. And then here come the cameras again.

Jamie: 42:40

And then I got to be like, well, I can't be there, I can't do this, I can't do that. So I was giving them a little more time and then I was great, just shut it off. I was going to be done and I was going to get back into my other stuff I got going, got it.

Sanya: 42:56

So if you look at all of the other couples on the show, if one couple had to go, which couple would it be? Oh, silver, easy oh.

Jamie: 43:05

I knew you were going to say that. I mean because I know we all don't mess with each other right now. But me, just watching what I see and what I know in real life is just like bro, come on y'all.

Jamie: 43:21

Like y'all just tiptoeing with she does to me. She does a lot. She does a lot Like too much actually, like them conversations with her mother, like I feel like some of this is not for TV. Some of this shit is true and she do it again when they come back on it's a whole nother scene with them two and it's just like some of this stuff I got to be a fine line of like that ain't going to be TV. Fuck that, I don't get it and she don't do that. But he definitely do. He definitely just want to cheer for her and get out the way. And they mess with me. Try most he mocked supervisors or something and then get out the way. So that's why I say yeah, definitely.

Sanya: 44:09

I get it, I get it. You know, on my show I like to talk about pivotal moments and milestones, and there are so many pivotal moments and milestones that we all have in common, so I want to talk about a few of your firsts. When was the first time that you lost your virginity? How old?

Jamie: 44:30

When I first lost mine.

Sanya: 44:31

Yes.

Jamie: 44:32

Shit If I had to go back that far.

Sanya: 44:38

I would have Come on, man you know, when you lost your virginity.

Jamie: 44:43

I'm going to say junior high school.

Sanya: 44:47

Damn Jamie, Really Junior high school.

Jamie: 44:51

I mean you tell me 85, 86.

Sanya: 44:55

It's a different world. I know I was about to graduate high school. I waited a little bit. Ok, jamie, I waited.

Jamie: 45:03

Not from high school. These girls down here was ready to go.

Sanya: 45:09

OK, what was your first job?

Jamie: 45:12

Oh wow, my first job back at 14 was a piece of hut.

Sanya: 45:21

Has there ever been a first time that you were fired?

Jamie: 45:25

Piece of hut. Why were you fired? Because we just fell in pieces. Typical teenagers, you know how it is. I'm trying stills of pieces got caught. I'm having a thought a few times. I mean, we was young, we was just throwing dumps.

Sanya: 45:45

OK, so when you started making money I don't mean like millions or things like that but what was your very first big purchase?

Jamie: 45:56

Man a house. I bought my first house in 1998. And the thing was because I was around retired law enforcement when I worked at Drug Enforcement Administration that's not bad for her.

Jamie: 46:12

You know, I was talking to these guys so much and the old vet said man, cause I was talking about apartment, I'm wanting an apartment. I said I'm going to a town house or apartment. I'm like 27 years old. He like no bad house. I said, man, I don't want to know a house. He was like nah, man, trust me. He said you will get equity off of it when you sell it. You gonna make more money. And I literally bought into it. And then, cause we had a little town house for a little while and after that first we bought a house in 1998. It was I was so young and she was so young. The neighbors said where are your parents? When we went to move in, oh, wow, and we were like wow, and he was like I want to meet him. I was like, wow, he's like I just want to meet the neighbor. I said it's us Right, cause I think I was. I was 20, 25. Nice.

Sanya: 47:08

She was 24. Nice, oh, that's dope, that's dope. What was your first heartbreak?

Jamie: 47:16

I mean I would say the real pride, right Cause we broke up. We broke up probably like 95, 94, 95. And she went back to her daughter's father and that was a rough time and then ultimately she came back and then we got married in 96.

Sanya: 47:37

Nice. See, love always finds its way back. I want to kind of tap into the entrepreneurial spirit of you before we end this conversation. So you did mention that you are a retired detective, but you also have an entertainment company, J&J Entertainment Company. You're hosting a love and marriage DC, I think launch party this coming Saturday. Is that correct?

Jamie: 48:02

Well, it's the watch party for the new episode.

Sanya: 48:05

Oh, okay, but talk about this entertainment company, cause you started this many, many years ago and to see it still flourishing now, that's amazing. Talk about your entertainment company.

Jamie: 48:16

Yeah, so a lot of people don't know, I started I was always the party guy, always for as long as I can remember. So when I bought a house, my house was the Super Bowl, tyson fights, Mayweather fights, red Skin, cowboys games, like all the big stuff. It was Jamie house and I will always have. You know, I could always get a crowd If it was intimate, for the inside it'd be like 40 people or something, but if I did it in the backyard it could be a hundred. And so back in those days I was doing events with like a few police officers and we was doing pool parties, cabrages, stuff like that in the early 2000s, and then I just noticed that it was like falling off and it wasn't really serious, no more. So I kind of went, went my separate ways, and how? My partner JD, how we linked up, he was throwing house parties at his house. But we grew up together playing at the NC Chaplain Sports as kids. So I went to a couple of his house parties. I was like, hey, cool little crowd. You know, for his to be at a house it'd be like 50, 60 people over. Good luck. So I went. So oh eight, oh eight. I saw a venue in DC. That was wide open and I said if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna call him because I felt like he had a nice crowd.

Jamie: 49:41

And sure enough, 09, we started off these happy hours on Friday nights and cause he's a PhD in computer science, I was in law enforcement, we had a real professional network IT world and then I had lawyers and law enforcement and government workers, stuff like that. So we just funded as a little happy hour for our high schools, like a reunion, and the first one we did is like 300. Some people came so the owner was like just do it again next week. So we did it again next week and another 300 came. Then just do it again. So we ran off like seven of those real early. Then of course saw Stella oh, the numbers were down tonight Just lying in it and I said we got moved Cause we got a thing that I could take it to another venue Right Fast forward to probably like spring of 09, we went to another venue in DC where we got a DJ now and it was two levels, so it was food and that was just the birth of J and J.

Jamie: 50:46

It was like J and J Ocean Drive Fridays and it was a thing. It was like every week packed, try and get in it, nice, nice, and then from there we started doing concerts. We started with the day party movement down here Started and I cause I'm born in May, I would always do my birthday in Vegas when May went before. So we started taking my birthday to Vegas. For like seven, eight years we would take eight 900 people to Vegas.

Sanya: 51:19

It was crazy Nice, but I hear you're also planning a trip. You're hosting and planning a trip to Ghana and you're inviting people to travel with you. I think that that's amazing. Talk about that, and where can my audience go to purchase tickets and travel with you to Ghana?

Jamie: 51:35

Yeah. So then on this platform, we were contacted by a tourism company to do a partnership and get some people from overhead over to the motherland. So my management, along with their team, we had a Zoom and went over all the logistics of it and it seemed like a good fit. So we partnered up with them and it'll be the end of August of this year. It's a nine day trip. They have a whole itinerary starting from when you land till we get back on the plane, and I do have a link. I can see the link and with that link it does have the breakdown of the flight, the hotel options, the contact information for the tourism group and they can basically walk them through the whole process of deposits or if you just want to pay your trip.

Sanya: 52:30

Yeah, it seemed pretty affordable. I looked at something and I think the base price was $2,000 or something and you said the trip is for nine days.

Sanya: 52:39

Yeah, yeah, and I went to like a Caribbean island for about four days, and it's more than that. And I said, okay, this trip to Ghana is a great, great price. So, yes, please share that link with me, because I definitely want to share it with my audience. I think that that's amazing. Now the final question. With Love and Marys DC about to launch its new season, why should everyone be tuned in watching?

Jamie: 53:05

Oh man, Cause your favorites, the Tyler's, are coming back to your screen. Of course, you got more of Raina and I just navigating this life of being the OGs on the show. So Lil Jamie has some updates on his what he's up to. It was some scenes filmed with Jason and his updates, but I didn't see him in what we already saw, so I was kind of hoping that we could see that, cause he was actually in school during most of that whole film Brittany's back and some scenes Mama T's back and I just think I think for me it showed a lot of like the people that probably misunderstood me season one. I felt like it opens up a little more to me. I do some more counseling and I also have a retirement party with a VIP guest that's gonna blow everybody's mind, so I'm excited about my family and what we share.

Sanya: 54:12

Nice Marys. Well, jamie, thank you so much for this conversation. I just need you to do me a favor Please tell your beautiful wife that I said hello and I am definitely a fan of her and you on the show. And keep on with the black love People like me. We applaud you, we pray for you and I wish you and your wife and your entire family continued success.

Jamie: 54:35

And you are so appreciated and we appreciate you. I appreciate you having me on Gotta. Get her on next.

Sanya: 54:41

Yes, yes, yes, I would love to. So we'll link up to coordinate that.

Jamie: 54:46

Yes, yes, absolutely. And if anybody's in the DMV area, saturday night we're doing a watch party at Silver Spring Merlin, at Citizens and Cultures. It's gonna start at six, but we're gonna watch the show at eight and then have a little after party from nine to 10. And then we're taking the party to the air lounge for a second after party where we will meet and read the fans take pictures.

Sanya: 55:10

Yeah, I love it. I was talking to my daughter when I saw about the event and I'm trying to link up with one of my friends who lives in the DMV area to come to the party, so I'll definitely let you know if I'll be in the building.

Jamie: 55:22

Okay, yeah, if you do it. Definitely. If you wanna chop it up a little bit, you want to get some content, that's fine.

Sanya: 55:30

Okay, okay, well, I'll be in touch. Thank you so much, Jamie. You take care.

Sanya: 55:33

Thank you and I'll send you that link as well. Please do Bye-bye, all right. There you have it, jamie Tyler of Love and Marriage DC Love the conversation. Let me tell you why. Because reality TV is often led, like I said, by the female cast. You know, just chatting it up, sometimes the petty labels of it all. But the men who are joining the cast, they're like you know, we're on this show with our wives, we're not going, we're nowhere near being a silent partner. We're in this together and I'm finding that the male voice on reality television is just increasing and increasing.

Sanya: 56:16

When we talk about reality shows, remember Love, who was it called Real Housewives of Atlanta? And one of the husbands kept speaking up. I think it was Peter. Peter Thomas kept speaking up and they refer to him as a of a JJ, a few male reality personalities. Once they start speaking up, the women are looking at them like shut up, be quiet. But the men are saying no, we have an opinion. We're on here with our wives. You're not going to slander our wives, you're not going to slander our relationships. I have something to say. So I love to say and Jamie was right, he did go through some challenges and obstacles from the audience because of his presence on Love and Marriage DC. When he got into it with his wife, the audience didn't like that. When he got into it with his own son, you didn't like that either. You know, my daughter always asks me Mom, do you think that you could do reality television? And I would say one second I'm saying yes and then five seconds later I'm saying no, because you all don't allow people to be their organic selves. It's called reality television To the point where it is becoming such a visceral reaction for such the audiences that a lot of this reality television oftentimes it becomes scripted just so that it becomes a little bit more digestible for you all.

Sanya: 57:45

So and then we talked about Carlos King. If you are a fan of the reality TV shows on the Oprah Winfrey network, you know that Carlos King of Kingdom Brain Entertainment, he is the curator of a lot of these shows and you can definitely tell that there are some favorites. Love you, carlos, but it's the truth, you can tell. Matter of fact, love and Marriage Huntsville he just launched a tour with Melody Cherie. How do you now employ someone but now your partners? It just doesn't make any sense to me. And then, also just to prepare for this conversation. I was looking to see how was the cast of Love and Marriage DC promoting and marketing? Were they going on interviews? And I saw nothing, nothing at all. Carlos, come on, spread the love. Spread the love to the people that you employ, the people that bring your vision to life. Show them some love. So I don't know, but once again, this has been another amazing conversation from Sanya on air.

Sanya: 59:01

The term that I gave you at the onset of this show, I want you to remember it Black owned versus Black targeted Black targeted to me it's like it is allowed to develop organically. It isn't really given any type of structure or boundaries. The messaging may be a little bit blurred, like was this a good message? So they just called me? It's just too much back and forth and we need shows. We need shows that are entertaining or, like I say, anger tainment. We need those. But I also want to see the balance too.

Sanya: 59:39

So I'm going to implore you, jamie Tyler, and your wife Irana don't change. Don't change. We want to see the ups and downs of the marriages, because, for one, people go into relationships, especially this new generation. You get into one argument and it's over, and they date the best friend and then writing a song about it on social media. I don't find that people are willing to go through the ups and downs of relationships to really find out what works.

Sanya: 1:00:06

I think love is really about child. Who are you willing to suffer the most for? I don't know. Not saying that you should be in something trauma filled, but stick with it. Don't give up so easily. And another thing that I want you to stick with is Sanya on air. Make sure that you are tuned in every single week for all new celebrity conversations unpacking their pivotal moments and milestones. So I'm about to end this conversation, but if you haven't subscribed in this entire episode, which is approaching about an hour, make sure you subscribe now. Make sure you subscribe and if you're watching this on YouTube, don't forget to hit the notification button and make sure that you do all of your shopping using my special Sanya on air Instacart link. Well, I'm done. Take care, dolls, smooches, bye.