Episode 144: "Sleepaway Camp" (1983) with Shawn, Cameron & Gavin

What other activity screams summertime than summer camp? Maybe you'll think twice after seeing the campy cult classic film "Sleepaway Camp." What did Shawn, Cameron and Gavin think about it?

Transcript

SPEAKER_08 0:26

Hi, and welcome to Pop and Cinema, where uh pop my friends in maturity is one movie out of time. This is Joe Mama, and I'm here with the I don't know, three Stooges, three amigos or three wise men. I don't know. Maybe a combination of the three. Got Cameron, Sean, and Gavin. Welcome, fellas.

SPEAKER_06 0:41

That was an epic entrance. Yeah, a lot of things. That was amazing. That was a crazy entrance.

SPEAKER_08 0:46

In case I know that's the uh Erica Kirk entrance. Uh if you haven't seen the meme or the video of her just, you know, losing her breath literally on camera on a camera. It's pretty hilarious. Coming from a non-conservative is very, very hilarious. Alright, so fellas, we're getting to the real stuff here. Growing up, were you someone who was bullied? Were you the bully or neither?

SPEAKER_07 1:11

I don't think I was a bully.

SPEAKER_04 1:13

No, we were a little mix of the both. Or a mix of the both. Very mix of the both, yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:19

How so?

SPEAKER_06 1:20

So towards the beginning of my life, I was overweight, morbidly obese, morbidly abuse, as my my doctor told me at one point. But um I uh I kind of used that as fuel to get in shape and stuff, and uh towards the end of things in my high school career, I ended up being kind of a Chad.

SPEAKER_08 1:39

Ah Did you have the card again?

SPEAKER_06 1:42

Yeah, of course. Order zips.

SPEAKER_08 1:46

The Fred Matcha. The Fred uh Scooby-Doo, Fred uh Yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:52

That was me, but with Ascot.

SPEAKER_08 1:54

That's what I was like, what was the name of it? I said no, it has the word ass in it, but I don't know. I don't think I was.

SPEAKER_07 2:01

I think I don't think I was a bully.

SPEAKER_08 2:03

There's probably like a 20-year-old something kid at home like throwing darts at your picture right now, thinking, I can't believe he picked on me in high school. He's like, Oh, it's fine. Joe, you would know this.

SPEAKER_07 2:13

What's that movie with where he scratches off the name that was with a lipstick? Yeah. Lipstick.

SPEAKER_06 2:18

That was uh Adam Sandler, uh Billy Madison. Yeah, yeah, Billy Madison. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:22

You guys got it. So good. Gavin, how about you?

SPEAKER_04 2:25

I think it wasn't exactly bullying, but it was over-the-top niceless niceness where everybody around you, your friends and stuff, know that you're kind of being a dick.

SPEAKER_07 2:37

But like Yeah, we did do that, but that wasn't mean.

SPEAKER_04 2:41

It isn't mean, but it's kind of bully. You know what I mean? Like we knew what we were doing. Yeah, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_07 2:47

Yeah, but the people didn't, I don't think, at least. So we just thought we were really, really nice. Yeah, probably we were.

SPEAKER_04 2:54

I mean, for real, we were, but we were bullying.

SPEAKER_06 2:59

I mean, on the contrary, though, I uh gravitated toward people that were like, you know, kind of the outcasts. So I wouldn't say I was a bully per se, but I would say that I once went against the grain with when it came to you know getting myself in shape, looking good, and um treating like people that obviously weren't aware of that stuff really good. So I wouldn't say I was a bully.

SPEAKER_07 3:23

Would you say you were an alpha Chad? Alpha Giga Chad.

SPEAKER_06 3:26

I I I got ahead of myself when I said that. I I want to specify I wasn't bullying people because I was bullied at the beginning of my life. So I uh yeah, I do want to specify that.

SPEAKER_08 3:37

Yeah, I was bullied in high school a lot, and now I'm a big bully. There you go. I I go for like Astral of the Year every year, and I kind of win. And you get these for that. So is the worst. I am I'm the worst, but I do it with kindness. Like people think I'm joking all the time, and they just laugh. I'm like, seriously, you're an idiot. You're great. No, you're the stupidest person I ever met. Oh, you're so funny. Like, I just I would run you over my car and back up back up again. It's great. Like, I'm storing my car right now.

SPEAKER_06 4:03

That's why people like you. I know, right? 100%.

SPEAKER_08 4:05

No, so I was talking about FinTech about being an asshole, and um, someone's like, oh, someone's uh going for your asshole award. I'm like, yeah, there's not it's like that asshole is dirty, and when you look at it, it's dirty, but my asshole is clean, so I'm an asshole clean.

SPEAKER_07 4:18

There you go.

SPEAKER_10 4:18

I guess I don't know why that was a crazy analogy.

SPEAKER_07 4:22

He's a clean asshole, is what he's saying.

SPEAKER_08 4:24

Yeah, I'm a clean asshole, I'm not a dirty asshole. You're welcome. That's my asshole's wisdom. All right, so anyway, so that actually does time to the movie we're watching today, which is Sleepaway Camp. Uh released in 1983, directed by Robert Hit Hillsick, and stars Phylissa Rose, Jonathan Tierston, Karen Fields, and Christopher Collette. So, what do you guys know about this movie?

SPEAKER_07 4:44

Absolutely nothing, but I've heard a lot about it. I heard it was a great movie, actually.

SPEAKER_08 4:48

It is actually, it's not as cheesy as other movies, like Velocity. Okay, so every time you talk about like a cheesy movie like Velocipaster's Lou, like number one to list. I'm like anything else that's like all below it. I mean, nothing tops that, but and Sean knows the ending, but he's not gonna say anything about it because I don't want to spoil it.

SPEAKER_06 5:06

Yeah, I've heard it's I mean it's a cult classic. It is. They really weren't thinking this movie was gonna be what it was. No. Um but I mean, the whole I mean, just the design of everything is just crazy. I mean, it sets you up for a a twist ending on stuff.

SPEAKER_07 5:21

I was getting prepared to watch the uh little Sean's movie that he wants to watch the with the uh clam? Something like that. The killer clams? Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 5:35

Oh, yeah. So just for reference, Joe's Joe sends us a list, and we have to say movies we haven't seen. And uh that was one that he was kind of god-fearing on. I was I don't want to watch off my brother.

SPEAKER_08 5:49

Honestly, teeth is not cheesy, it is actually really good. Yeah, like it actually has a real story to it, it's real like deep and philosophical. What do you mean by that? Trauma traumatization and how deep. About six inches deep. Well, sorry for those girls with Sean, but you know, six is two inches.

unknown 6:12

There you go.

SPEAKER_08 6:14

So um the premise of this movie is uh Were you gonna say something, Evan? You're leaning into the mic. You're gonna look like you're about to-day one inch, weren't you? A one-inch pianist?

SPEAKER_06 6:25

Wow. And that's that's that's cold-blooded, dude.

SPEAKER_08 6:28

It's a great podcast so far. Yeah, this is interesting. So the premise is after a traumatizing event in her past, a girl goes to summer camp with her cousin, but all it's not what it seems at the camp, as one by one, people start dying at the hands of a mysterious killer. So I will play the trailer. And when we're done, we talked about the movie.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Dear mom and dad, I've been at a sleepaway camp for almost three weeks. And I'm getting very scared.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Sleep away again.

unknown 7:41

You won't be coming home.

SPEAKER_08 7:49

Okay, we're back, and uh, so this is your spoiler alert. We'll be talking about the movie in depth, but let me get out some uh titulating tidbits about the movie first. Uh Mike Kellen, who plays the camp owner, Mel, was a veteran actor who appeared in numerous films, including Midnight Express and The Jazz Singer, and Superway Camp was his final film. He was dealing with lung cancer during filming and passed away three months before the film's release. Even though he was smoking cigars the whole time. Um, did you notice anything about the one um Cook, not the not the perverted one, the other one, African-American one? Do you look familiar at all? Uh the Shining? No.

SPEAKER_06 8:27

Damn.

SPEAKER_08 8:28

But you know who you see him, right? You know who I'm talking about? Yeah, the black guy with white uh white goatee.

SPEAKER_09 8:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 8:34

Well, his name is um Robert Earl Jones. No. Whose son is James Earl Jones? No way. Yep.

SPEAKER_07 8:43

That's his dad. Oh Joe, I'm not gonna lie, I don't know who that is.

SPEAKER_08 8:48

So Darth Vader voice. Oh, what? Mufasa.

SPEAKER_07 8:52

That is pretty cool.

unknown 8:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 8:53

I'm like, how you know James Joe Jones?

unknown 8:55

Wow.

SPEAKER_08 8:56

I didn't know that. Uh as a child, the director and writer Robert Hilzick actually went to the camp used in the film. Uh Sean was gonna talk about this earlier. The budget for the film was $350,000. Oh wow. And since then it's made more than 30 times its original original budget.

SPEAKER_07 9:12

30 times.

SPEAKER_08 9:13

Yeah, it's it's made a lot since like it was a cult classic verse. No one really watched it, but as the years came by, and especially the ending, people will start watching it more. Uh, during the scene where the canoe flips over in the lake, uh, John Dunn, who plays Ken, cut the top of his hand opened against a sharp rock, and had to be rushed to the hospital. And Phyllissa Rose and Jonathan Tyrston, who played uh Angela and Ricky, developed developed a romantic relationship during the film, but broke up soon after. Okay, so uh what do you guys think about the film? One of you guys want to go first.

SPEAKER_04 9:44

I think honestly, the movie was decent. The end actually has me baffled. Baffled how not what I was expecting.

SPEAKER_08 10:00

What were you expecting?

SPEAKER_04 10:03

I mean, to the end you start to understand that the girl is the killer, but then you get to the very end and it's not a girl. So I wasn't quite expecting that.

SPEAKER_06 10:15

Yeah. I'd say it's fucking crazy. I mean, just just the whole aspect of things. I mean, the whole dynamic of the movie. Um, the girl is kind of innocent innocent throughout the whole movie and really never shows her hand. And um just for a reason, obviously, but you know, you kind of you kind of tie into sort of you know subsexual movie m or sub sub parts of the movie where you know there's certain aspects of things that really throw you off a little bit, really throw you off the scent trail, and um it basically makes for a great ending of the movie where you don't know what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_08 11:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 11:02

Cameron? This was it was a it was a good movie. It wasn't crazy. The ending was amazing, though. I think the ending was really good. Yeah. That was some spooky stuff. That's scary. That thing was scary. Whatever it was. That thing.

SPEAKER_08 11:16

Yeah. We'll talk about that when we get down to it. Um so we're just gonna think about the beginning uh sequence when uh John and the his kids were in the water, the boat flips over, and then the chick who's driving the uh motorboat just you know ramps right into them and kills the father and one of the kids that we'd know later on was Angela. Yeah. But not Peter, although we thought during the movie it was Peter because Angela's in the movie, quote unquote. It was a cool way to set things off. It's abnormal. Does it show that women should not drive uh motorboats? Because this is right there. Yeah, this is why all women should not drive motorboats.

SPEAKER_04 11:54

Should they really drive cars though, either?

SPEAKER_08 11:58

Yeah, the girl in the back screaming, peep bother, peep bother.

unknown 12:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 12:02

Like, what? Put it into speed gear after that, too.

SPEAKER_07 12:06

Or was it the guy's fault for letting her drive? Yeah, wait, what was up with that? Why why did they uh they they they they thrust the accelerator more? Yeah, that was crazy.

SPEAKER_08 12:14

Yeah, he just fumbled around because like, oh my gosh, turn the car. You guys ever watch uh Bob's burgers? There's an episode some of it. There's an episode when um Bob's teaching Tina how to drive, and they're like in the parking lot has like no cars, but there's like literally one car in the whole parking lot. Tina's like driving like two miles an hour heading right there, and Bob's like, turn the wheels, like uh turn the wheel towards the car. Yeah, it hits the car. It's kind of like that. It's like, oh look, I'm gonna handle these people, quick.

SPEAKER_06 12:43

I think that it shows like the innocence of women too, and it's kind of setting like the the the prefacet of the movie too. Because you have to think, girls, I mean, they're obviously uh rely on their counterparts on a lot of different aspects of stuff, and you know, him letting her have aspect of the boat and stuff like that. Um I don't know. It it kind of sets a scene for the movie, the theme of things, and it kind of coups you into the aspect of female femininity and stuff, and kind of taking the backseat on stuff, which at the end of the movie obviously is not the case.

SPEAKER_07 13:21

There were hints all along trying to do that.

SPEAKER_04 13:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 13:23

Once you actually think about it, that whole movie was like trying to think that the woman are like would never do such a thing and it's always the guy.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 13:31

And it's a girl. Kind of this whole movie is the whole thing.

SPEAKER_06 13:34

Still was the guy, but the power dynamic dynamic, yeah, or gender dynamic of things.

SPEAKER_08 13:38

Well, it's a flip of the general subtext because kind of like Sean was talking about the whole movie Want to see titties, and there's none, but then there's male ass. Very disappointing, and there's a lot of like the sexuation of women in these movies are usually, you know, showers, women, breasts, like bikinis, low top, whatever. And this was like the guys, like, oh hey, we have short shorts and y'all love that fashion though, guys.

SPEAKER_06 13:58

Y'all are terrible. But throughout it all, there was that one female that was very dominant in her own Judy. Yeah, yeah. Her guard.

SPEAKER_08 14:07

Yep. So yeah, the crop tops and the short shorts, and she was the second most masculine woman in this.

SPEAKER_04 14:15

She might have been the most, if not.

SPEAKER_08 14:17

I mean, right? So, what did you guys think about uh their uh aunt uh Martha? She's really weird, yeah, yeah, she's got some issues. She's a doctor.

SPEAKER_06 14:28

Yeah, I mean, she was a catalyst for the movie. I mean, Gavin kind of said it early on that he wouldn't be surprised if she was a killer. Um, obviously she wasn't, but she was the person in the driver's seat for everything that happened, everything that happened, and developing that the character, which they didn't really give a lot of background on.

SPEAKER_08 14:50

Um so so this film has a lot of gay subtext, obviously, and more more so overt subtext as well. Do you think, since uh John was her brother and he was gay, do you think uh Martha wanted to make Peter Angela because she was worried about his his gayness, quote unquote, rubbing off on her son?

SPEAKER_06 15:11

I think you threw a curveball um explain on I didn't know that he was gay.

SPEAKER_08 15:19

He was in bed with the other guy. Yeah, I was gonna say it's the one scene where they were and like they were at the boat and he's all like he's like John, we need to go. You know, they were definitely an item.

SPEAKER_07 15:32

What?

SPEAKER_06 15:33

What? I thought about that. Yeah, I I never thought about that either, to be quick.

SPEAKER_04 15:37

You see the scene where they were that's why the girl had the flashbacks, because that was her dad's Yeah.

unknown 15:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 15:43

Oh I guess Ricky was about to like, you know, take off her clothes. Not Ricky, um Paul was about to, you know, yeah take off her top, and that's when she had like that memory of them watching their two dads.

SPEAKER_06 15:53

I never I never connected the dots with that, so I guess I'm uh That's so confusing.

SPEAKER_07 15:59

It was an affair then I take it, right?

SPEAKER_09 16:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 16:01

Okay. Or they were just together after they got divorced. I was a little bit confused because uh they go from that, and then I assume um what was up with with the little kids? The Peter and Angela? Yeah. What about them? When they were little.

SPEAKER_04 16:18

They walked in on them.

SPEAKER_07 16:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:19

Yeah. And then they were trying to like do the same thing or what No, they were like they were like, bro, what did we just see?

SPEAKER_08 16:28

And Peter was pointing at Angela, like, you know, you are me.

SPEAKER_06 16:33

I never I never honestly I think I can attest with my brother, I I didn't even connect the dots there. Yeah. It was just kind of uh a little bit I I never realized that so This is a weird movie. There's a lot of really weird in this movie.

SPEAKER_08 16:50

Um unlocked her memory of seeing them and then Peter pointing her, like you know, you or me.

SPEAKER_06 16:58

Okay. That actually adds depth to this movie for me.

SPEAKER_08 17:02

I mean, um Yeah, that's the same. Like, you know, would Martha didn't want that gayness to rub off on her son, that's why she made Peter Angelo.

SPEAKER_06 17:10

Wouldn't that be kind of contradictory though, in a way? I mean because I mean I guess not really, but I don't really know. I it's it's very interesting to me. I it's an interesting dynamic.

SPEAKER_08 17:25

Because I I I mean I just posed that question. I don't think so because she's just crazy. Like I don't think she thinks about things too often. Although she did give them their uh uh physical papers, and that was like the first clue of the movie. Like she's like, don't tell them how I got it. Like no one can know how we got this.

SPEAKER_04 17:44

I didn't even think of that.

SPEAKER_07 17:45

And then Gavin, you made the joke that they're not gonna test it, they're gonna not gonna make sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 17:52

And she's a doctor, so she's gonna have them forged out. So wow.

SPEAKER_06 17:56

Or faked. Yeah, that's a very interesting dynamic that I never really thought about, and I never really connected until now.

SPEAKER_08 18:02

Well, you know, you don't connect it because you don't expect that ending, and then after you see the ending, you go back and watch it, it's like, oh yeah, it's like right there in front of you the whole time.

SPEAKER_04 18:10

Yeah, like you're in this after the movie, I'm like, dang, that was all right there.

SPEAKER_07 18:14

I mean, you have the two main characters like like even from the start, how you know the the the the girl the uh the boy survives technically, and then you you just do a cutscene and go in the camp and there's a boy and uh what looked like a girl. Well Angela, when they come at uh at the aunt's house. Yeah, yeah. Like like like if you were to pause and like think about that long enough, you'd be able to realize wait. The boy survived. Why is yeah, what story what's that front story? Why does it why are they explaining that? That's weird.

SPEAKER_08 18:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 18:48

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 18:49

Yeah, we never really questioned the under underdeveloped girl either, because that was like kind of the theme throughout the whole. I mean, all these other girls were I mean, not to be weird, but you know, they were they were growing breasts and coming into their own you know, gender, and throughout the whole movie, there was this girl that was really shy, and um yeah, she's just never really came into her own on stuff.

SPEAKER_08 19:16

Well, even Judy called her flat as a board.

SPEAKER_06 19:20

We never uh we I guess we never really got to see any of the breasts. So kind of a disappointment.

SPEAKER_08 19:24

This is another reason why this movie had that.

SPEAKER_06 19:26

Yeah. Which I mean, I picked the wrong movie, but I'm sorry, guys.

SPEAKER_08 19:33

So speaking of Sean's obsession with tits, what do you think about Artie, the uh camp uh head cook? Who was definitely he was very well stacked. I mean, probably a sea cup. Yes. See, dirty cup. There's some dirty tits there. Yes. He was a dirty boy. I do deserve to die. Joe Mama after hours. All right. Do you think Artie died though? No, no, he's just very, very scarred.

SPEAKER_04 19:59

Nah, he deserved that shit, though.

SPEAKER_07 20:00

Yeah, he deserved to get tortured and died. Yeah, yeah. That's disgusting.

SPEAKER_04 20:04

It kind of would have been crazy though if he was doing that and you got to see uh the girl's penis.

SPEAKER_08 20:11

Imagine how much he would have gotten duped on that one, right? I got something to do for you. I got something to go for you. You're brain too. Surprise. Wait, you didn't tell me your surprise. So uh Meg was the one of the counselors, but she was like a complete asshole to uh Angela. So why do you think she was able to be a counselor when she was just such an obvious bully to her? Like, even though the counselors are like, come on, Meg, stop it. I mean, if I if you were a counselor, if like if you were in charge of that campaign, you saw a counselor doing that, you'd be like, Okay, you're out.

SPEAKER_06 20:42

I think a lot of it came down to sexual attraction, and you know, 80s were a different timeline of things, and it's all based off of sexual attraction. Um and obviously she was a you know a girl, obviously, and a developed woman. And um I mean a lot of those male counselors, they were kind of creepy too, a little bit. So I mean, that definitely ties into things. And they were oblivious to the facts of things. I mean, they didn't see what everything would happen throughout the movie as we did.

SPEAKER_08 21:18

So well, they saw Meg being picking on her, but yeah.

SPEAKER_07 21:22

Well, she was supposed to go out too though with with the uh camp. Mel. Yeah, yeah, that was weird.

SPEAKER_04 21:28

I think it was more so she was trying to look cool in front of the other girls. Like she was trying to like fit in with the like campers, you know what I mean? Like I don't think it was like her actually trying to be mean. I thought she was trying to impress the uh yeah, I think she was trying to impress her more so because she realized that that's the girl that all the guys are like fond of.

SPEAKER_08 21:53

Isn't it kind of weird though that because this is a camp, they're kids, so Meg is not a kid, she's probably like in her twins. 20s.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 22:01

So if she wants to gain the approval of 14-year-olds or twelve 13.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

I mean, that's what it looks like to me for sure.

SPEAKER_06 22:09

But it's the virtue of wanting to be young. I mean, everyone wants to be younger than they are, obviously. And I think that there's kind of a a a dynamic of that within this whole movie. Where they want to live vicariously through other people.

SPEAKER_08 22:25

I guess. Still is kind of weird. Or it's like a power trick.

SPEAKER_06 22:28

Not really, though. It's not I mean, I would I would question I don't know. I I would say how how I don't know. I I would say it is weird, but up to a certain point, I mean everyone wants to be younger than they are, and being um, you know, ominous or or in awe of younger people and it comes kind of becomes a theme of things.

SPEAKER_08 22:51

Kim, you had a point.

SPEAKER_06 22:52

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:53

Yeah, yeah. I mean, she I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 22:58

No, dude, I definitely agree with you saying power trip. Yeah, yeah. She's like, I can do whatever I want to you because I'm in charge of you. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 23:05

Seems like a could be. I think it's more of a power thing.

unknown 23:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 23:09

Than that. But so as we see this movie, like, you know, the girls and the boys are bullies to each other. Do you think the girls are bigger than bullies or the boys, or are they just different kinds?

SPEAKER_04 23:20

I think the guys are just trying to be funny. Like they're just like messing around with each other. The girls are actually mean. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 23:27

Yeah, they're mean, they are mean. They were wrecking. Those girls were really mean. Yeah. Is that like a stereotype of that? Do you think? Or does that really well they were like emotionally mean too? Like that was like harsh, like those words and all that. I think so. I think it was definitely a stereotype, I guess you could say. Yeah, the mean girls.

SPEAKER_04 23:46

Well, I think I genuinely think girls are like that. I got three sisters. I know girls are mean like that, but I don't know. I feel like even when guys are mean, it's more of like a messing around.

SPEAKER_08 23:57

Yeah, they get over it quick. Yeah. Like when they had the kid do the uh setup into the guys into Paul's.

SPEAKER_04 24:03

Yeah, exactly. Like that wasn't actually mean. They were kind of just like messing around with them. Yeah. Or throwing the water balloons off the roof and stuff at like that isn't really mean.

SPEAKER_08 24:13

Or the shaving cream, although the kid took out a knife. A little bit over at board on the uh they they they were picking on him a little bit too. But even then, like after that, um, when the counselor took the knife, then they even um what's his name? Um yeah, he stuck up for him. Yeah, he stuck up for him. Yeah. Yeah, I thought that was actually really cool. Yeah, so I was like, okay, like you said, like you know, the girls would never stick up for each other. So yeah, I think in this one it's just like girls are more of uh they're more mean, mean spirited than the boys are. What do you think, Sean?

SPEAKER_06 24:44

100%. I haven't found a right one yet, so I uh so they're all mean to me.

SPEAKER_08 24:50

Taking applications.

SPEAKER_06 24:52

I'm goal shifting, but yes, I uh I think that a lot of them are uh not in the right spirit of mind, for sure.

SPEAKER_08 25:01

So the movies made $350,000. What did you guys think of like the the effects of it? Like um Artie's Arnie's uh boiling body, Kenny's body at the end, uh really with all the B's, even Meg with a her back stabbed through.

SPEAKER_06 25:17

I think everything was actually it looked really good. Everything was amazing, and I think that money back then, too, wasn't money today. I mean, the time value of money is stuff. I mean, it's so interesting to me to think that a movie like this uh is so crazy when in reality a movie like this with the same amount of money in today's dollars, yeah, in today's dollars would be probably a couple million dollars. Oh, yeah. So it's not it's not that shocking to me.

SPEAKER_08 25:50

So I just did a thing. $350,000 in 1983 is equivalent to $1,160,000.

SPEAKER_07 25:58

There you go. So even a million dollar budget, still pretty good. Yeah, it's very good for a million dollar budget.

SPEAKER_04 26:03

Yeah, the effects I thought, well, not really the effects, but the makeup artist did a good job on the cuts and all and like the boil marks, all the blisters, those actually looked pretty good.

SPEAKER_06 26:17

Yeah, yeah. They spent all the money at the end of the movie. I guarantee you that.

SPEAKER_07 26:22

No, they didn't. No, no, it was an abrupt ending.

SPEAKER_06 26:25

It was that was that was that was it was a very shock ending, and obviously that shock horror and posters and stuff of that final scene of the movie. Yep. I mean, that's that equates to a lot.

SPEAKER_08 26:38

Did you guys know there's three sequels?

SPEAKER_06 26:41

No, no way, yep.

SPEAKER_08 26:43

How well so in the second or third, uh Angela comes back and she's a full woman now. She was she was in prison, she got a sex change operation, so now she's a she's a woman.

SPEAKER_06 26:53

So she's still a male then.

SPEAKER_08 26:55

Yeah. Yeah. So she gets a job as a counselor at the camp and she's just starts killing kids. And it's more, it's campy, like she's more comedic with her, like she gives those like quips. It's almost like a female Freddie Krueger. Who let it back? Who let it back out? I think one let it back out. No, hold on.

SPEAKER_04 27:14

I actually think we need to see that if she's like making like what it is, they're really good.

SPEAKER_08 27:20

I like them. Um, and actually, Angela and those movies are played by Bruce Springsteen's uh niece, not niece, um cousin. Wow, and I can't remember your first name, but it was like something Springsteen.

SPEAKER_06 27:32

I'm like, oh how far after the original movie did this movie come out again?

SPEAKER_08 27:37

I think the second one was 85.

SPEAKER_06 27:39

Really? So not far off.

SPEAKER_08 27:40

Yeah. Hmm. And then they had uh one is called it came out of the 90s for Turn to Sweep Sleepaway Camp. It was alright.

SPEAKER_06 27:47

So was it really uh considered a a cult classic at that point?

SPEAKER_08 27:50

No. Didn't really start to like the 90s, late 80s. Interesting. Yep. So we kind of talked about earlier about Mel and uh Meg's little relationship. Uh what did you guys think about that? Do you think Meg had feelings towards Mel? Does she have like a daddy issue, or again, kind of was it was like a power struggle for her to get more power to be more in control?

SPEAKER_07 28:12

Could have been. That's probably my that'd be my best, my best guess. Because she she liked him a little. Well, I don't think she she didn't really like him.

SPEAKER_04 28:20

I think it's more like a sugar daddy thing. Maybe yeah, I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 28:24

I think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 28:26

If he's the main guy, then I mean there's really no other I mean, unless she's into that, but there wouldn't really no be no other reason for her to go for the 70-year-old man.

unknown 28:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 28:40

So he's entered necrophilia. Yeah, at that point, right? Well, he died right after her, so do you think why do you think Angela waited so long to kill Meg and Judy considering they were the biggest bullies to her?

SPEAKER_06 28:54

Maybe she didn't want to get caught. I feel like they they moved the plot along more and made it the crescendo of everything that much more powerful. Um, obviously, with stuff and the whole dynamic of you know her being the killer, you know, it really drove the plot along and really made you guess on who the really the killer was, right?

SPEAKER_07 29:19

Not only that, but if you were a serial killer who liked killing, I would imagine you would you wouldn't want to just kill two people. You'd want to kind of figure out who else is in that realm of people to kill. I don't know. Yeah. That's that's weird.

SPEAKER_04 29:34

Or maybe there wasn't a good enough chance.

SPEAKER_07 29:36

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 29:37

It's probably more of the opportunity. Could be. Yeah. Because Kenny was alone in the boat, Billy was alone in the bathroom, Artie was alone in the Oh yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_06 29:46

The isolation aspect of things. I mean, that really that that helps them, you know, further their what their goal is of killing people. That's one of the rules of horror movies. Yeah. And then being prominent characters, I mean, when someone like that dies, red flags are being raised up instantly.

SPEAKER_08 30:06

Yeah, what do you guys think about the kills in this movie? Because mostly it's like, you know, fire thirteenth ripoffs, it's all just knives and whatever, but this is, you know, the beehive and the vat of uh hot water. Boiling water and arrow. I think that the curling iron. Curling iron.

SPEAKER_06 30:27

We're getting to that next. The beehive kill was kind of a little cheesy to me just because um coming from someone who's seen someone be attacked by bees, uh, my brother. Oh yeah. Um in a car uh in an isolated vehicle.

SPEAKER_08 30:47

Oh, do you tell?

SPEAKER_06 30:49

Go ahead, Cameron. I mean, I I I I could tell. Sean might have a better memory on this. Yeah, so we were we were at going we were planning on going to the Canfield Fair, and my bro, my mom wanted to stop at the uh the Southern Park Mall. And we were both underage, we couldn't drive, and uh it was hot out, and our air conditioning was broken, so we cracked windows, and she went into the mall, and um we were waiting in the parking lot, and all these bees came swarming in and started uh crawling in his nose and in his mouth and stinging him repeatedly over and over again. Wow. Um, so it was kind of traumatic for me because I had to see everything happen, and um, you know, I love my brother. I I started pulling the the bees out of his nose and mouth and stuff, and throughout that all he had an allergic reaction and uh wow, but um throughout that all I think that if we were older in a position that that guy was uh with being in a stall, I think that him breaking out and stuff. Obviously, my brother's still around. Are you bees don't act like that? I don't know. Yeah, he's the mighty he might feel like a ghost sometimes, but uh it was very dramatic to me at least, and I think that it's probably pretty dramatic to him if I had to guess. You're white. Um I'm so white. That's crazy, though. It was actually crazy, and now he's allergic to bees, but nonetheless, I mean, technology's not much further for bee stings as it was then, as it is now.

SPEAKER_07 32:31

Uh all I remember is the doctor told me if I would have got stung by a couple more bees, that would have been it. Wow. I think cardiac arrest is what you go into. I don't know. Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_06 32:40

Yeah, so maybe, maybe, maybe that was a realistic I mean his whole head was covered in bees, so yeah, but that's that's such an over-exaggeration of what it actually happens.

SPEAKER_08 32:50

I mean that's the point of the movie, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 32:52

I've I've I've walked into swarms of bees, I've stepped into bees' nests. I mean, that's kind of a faux pause of things, I guess. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 33:03

Yeah, I like the I like this like a variety of kills instead of just a typical slash and go.

SPEAKER_06 33:10

Yeah, but it was a it was a unique kill. Yeah. If you suspend your imagination for sure. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 33:15

So that that that first kill with the the cook, that was I was pushing it. I mean, like he was holding onto a shelf, he couldn't have just jumped off. I wouldn't say he was killed though. Well no, yeah, yeah, he was injured, but I mean still you didn't have to grab the pot while you were falling down. It would have landed on you. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_08 33:33

I mean, come on, but I mean you're sitting on the chair like this size chair here, it's not like you just jump off.

SPEAKER_06 33:37

Yeah, but I mean, I don't I don't understand how it just But to grab a boiling pot of water that's hot and pull it down under yourself is definitely a suspension of imagination.

SPEAKER_04 33:48

I think that it would have just been natural reaction to grab onto something while you're falling, to be honest.

SPEAKER_08 33:52

He was already grabbing onto the shelf, so yeah. Well, he was falling and the shelf was attached to the wall, so it means you grab onto that.

SPEAKER_04 33:58

Like something on your way down. Like normally, if you fall, you go to reach for something.

SPEAKER_07 34:04

I think reaching for the yeah, that's the last thing.

SPEAKER_04 34:07

But would you be thinking?

SPEAKER_08 34:08

I would I would hope so. I would hope so. I would hope so, or else I end up like him. We need to test this theory. Yeah. Joe, do you want to start boiling out of water? Yeah, yeah. A huge one. Yeah, right. That thing was like a that thing was like a freaking five-foot boiling water, right?

SPEAKER_04 34:24

Just make sure you're like really hunched over. Yeah. Back oranged in all.

SPEAKER_07 34:29

Yeah, right. Yeah, he was really leaned over it.

SPEAKER_08 34:33

I don't know. So when we get to Judy's death, we're gonna talk about the actual death at first, but then the door opens and you see the guy in the in the in the door. And how it was before the HD, before like even this upgrade version, you couldn't see who it was. Because I have the DVD and I watch it, and it's just uh it's so shadowed you couldn't see a face or anything. But here you see it's like it's Ricky in the standing in the doorway with a with a wig on. And that's because um when Felissa Rose signed on, her parents said that she could do the movie if she's not seen killing anybody. So they that they put uh Jonathan Tierras in in the role with the wig on for that scene.

SPEAKER_04 35:13

Interesting.

SPEAKER_08 35:14

Because you watched the because my uh I saw uh Tyler. When I showed it to him, he's like, Oh, it's Ricky's the killer. I'm like, no, it's that's just poor uh poor time.

SPEAKER_06 35:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 35:24

Like back in the time you wouldn't have known it, but now you not well, it's kind of like um you always see unsolved mysteries all the time. Yeah, when they did the uh you know, people like in disguise, like just the the black uh black face black silhouette, black silhouette, but now you you watch it now, it's like I could see it. Yeah, huh? Like you can see their faces. I'm like, oh okay. Well, I guess advancements in technology if uh screw that up.

SPEAKER_06 35:47

Sidebar unsolved mysteries have one of the creepiest theme songs of all time. Yeah, I hated it. It was it nightmare fuel.

SPEAKER_07 35:55

Oh yeah. So well, I like that. This is a great time to bring this up. That trailer, the voice actor in the trailer was amazing.

SPEAKER_08 36:02

Yeah, so he does a lot of those. He did a lot of the 80s and 90s, like horror.

SPEAKER_07 36:06

Yeah, that sound that that guy had his voice was amazing. I love that stuff.

SPEAKER_08 36:09

Oh yeah, it was so good. So, what did you guys think about the curling iron kill? How was that a kill?

SPEAKER_07 36:16

I mean, if you're curling iron in your vag, I would like what are we but and he also had to pill over her face, so maybe it's just suffocated her as well as you know it's like a thousand-degree dildo.

SPEAKER_06 36:31

Thanks, Sean. I mean, seriously, think about that. Do I have to?

SPEAKER_04 36:36

Is that gonna be the next challenge? Or no.

SPEAKER_06 36:41

I mean, I guess Cameron brings up an interesting point. Is that really gonna kill someone? The pillow, maybe. The pillow.

SPEAKER_04 36:50

I think she probably suffocated, but it would have been a pretty suffocated and also very painful.

SPEAKER_08 36:56

Yes, yeah. Which is why Angela did it, because Judy was the the meanest one to her. So she wanted to make her suffer.

SPEAKER_06 37:04

And she also robbed her of her femininity with doing that, you know, because she was also the one who was saying that she wasn't mature.

SPEAKER_07 37:14

Yeah. Huh. That brings up some good points. It's very interesting, right?

SPEAKER_08 37:20

And also a funny story. Um, I actually heard this from Felissa Rose when I met her. Guess I asked her about uh Judy uh actress. She's like, Oh, yeah, we're best friends. She was like the nicest one on the set. She was just sweet to everybody. It's so cool seeing her play like a villain.

SPEAKER_04 37:33

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 37:34

That's insane.

SPEAKER_08 37:34

Yeah. It's like, oh, we were joking around a lot all the time once that it was so much fun. I'm like, huh. The duality of man or female. Right? Or the power of performance. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 37:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 37:44

So we just think about the little kids that got axed in the uh the woods. What was uh what was up with that? They're the kids when um uh Judy and Mick. Yeah, kicked sand and on Angela, they're the ones that kicked the sand.

SPEAKER_07 37:57

So but they're little kids.

SPEAKER_08 37:59

Yeah, I say they were little kids, like they're probably not even like maybe 10 years old.

SPEAKER_07 38:02

Yeah, that's kind of that's a little bit much.

SPEAKER_06 38:05

I I would say that this is so Friday the 13th coded, it's it's not even funny. I mean, if you like Friday the 13th, you're gonna love this movie. Yeah, I mean, and the plot twist of it, I think, is obviously I mean, in certain aspects, just as good, if not better, than some of the things within that series of movies. Yeah. Um, but it's the same environment. I wouldn't be surprised if they even film this in the same place. I mean, it looked so New Jersey is it looked like the same area, yeah. I'd be interested in learning that.

SPEAKER_08 38:36

I mean, it wasn't the same area, but uh well, it's interesting too because that scene was added later because people the producers wanted more murders. So they had they threw that in after filming was done. And even the director said he didn't like that idea. Because they were they were kid kids. Yeah. Like you know, 13, 14, too. Like these like nine, ten-year-olds, so they got yeah. Did Jason ever kill a kid?

SPEAKER_06 39:00

I'm I'm I'm curious and thinking that. Or or he's tried to, or kids that I mean have been grown up that obviously he had some sort of vendetta against he's tried to kill kids. It's kind of a low-hanging fruit. That I mean, that guy that was uh what was he? He played in um The Lost Boys, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 39:19

Tommy Jarvis. Um Corey Felman. Corey Felman, yeah. Yes. Because in part four, he was about 12 or 13.

SPEAKER_06 39:25

And he was a star though, so they wouldn't kill him off, obviously. But yeah. Kind of the same concept, I guess, in a way. Um, just really interesting, the dynamic and stuff.

SPEAKER_08 39:35

So kind of everyone that got killed uh from Angela kind of Sean hinted at, objectified her sexuality at one point or another. But then Paul was a little bit different. Uh Angela seemed to really isolate herself from him, but he's just kept advancing. So do you think Paul was kind of into this? Well, would he be a big creeper? The fact that he just literally kissed her when she didn't expect it, and then he's like, Can I have another one? And she didn't say yes, he's just waiting for another kiss. I mean, how old were they?

SPEAKER_06 40:04

Yeah, I mean, say adolescence, would you say that that's creepy at that stage?

SPEAKER_07 40:07

Yeah, it's weird, like for us to look at it. I mean, we're I mean, I'm in my twenties, and that's really weird to do that. Yeah, me too. So yeah, but I mean, if you're a little kid, like 13 years old, like do they even know better at that point? I mean, he kind of knew when he says like you know, lose your clothes like okay.

SPEAKER_08 40:25

See, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 40:26

They knew what I mean the 80, I would say that the and I hate to say this, but it's so coded in the time that we look at things a certain way now, and they're not the same way they used to be. If you look at any sort of 80s movies, if you look at like um 16 candles, it's the same thing um with a guy that's progresses and and advances towards a girl, the dynamic dynamic is different back then as it is now. Whereas men don't ever approach women or anything like that. It's it's it's so sacred now. That was beyond it. Whereas before, you know, I don't want to get all political, but I mean it was a different time where women accepted that sort of behavior. It it wasn't creepy back then. We just got canceled, yes. But yeah, that's it. Seriously though, it wasn't. I mean, you could look at movies as as is facts for this stuff and and and say that that's that's the case. Um, so I would say that that's for the time period, I'm not surprised. I mean, that's that's how people acted back then. It's there's no wrong or right. I mean, it's all subjective. Yeah. Gavin?

SPEAKER_04 41:37

I think the fact that um he she did not uh I will I will not say she's definitely getting it. Yeah, I will not say she. Yeah, but um the fact that she did not like go away after, and then when he went for an another one, she didn't say no. I think it was more so he was like he was like, Well, because she's so awkward, he's like, Well, did she like that?

SPEAKER_08 42:05

Yeah, I mean, yeah, it wasn't like a yeah, he didn't do it in a mean way or like yeah, I mean do you think Angela's trying to protect Paul from herself? Do you think that she actually liked him? Yeah, most a little bit, yeah. I think she did like him.

SPEAKER_06 42:20

And what do you think made her snap then to go off and I would disagree with that? Just because I heard a story, okay. I obviously Michael Jackson movie just came out, right? And um, I watched an interview with a girl that was in the movie from Thriller. They shot the whole film together, and Michael Jackson was like toying around with the idea there was a kiss scene in that movie. And what she said was Um there was a question of where she was gonna kiss Michael Jackson in that movie. And Michael Jackson said, Where would you like to kiss me? And she basically said she decided to kiss him on the cheek because she under under the understanding of where that that movie was filmed, the time period, she thought she it would be appropriate to kiss him on the cheek because no one's gonna give themselves up right away. But in real reality, she would have probably had sex with him that first night being that superstar. Okay, so there's different dynamics. Women go through certain things that other people don't go through, and um it was just interesting, it was coy, obviously, and it was appropriate. I think that she did the right thing, but um I don't know, it's just the whole timeline of things with fifties, seventies, eighties, nineties, I mean it's it's it's all time related.

SPEAKER_07 43:48

So she was trying to protect him or I think so. I think so because i I mean she pushed away for no reason, I felt like And other than what we later find out that she was also killing people and a guy Would she keep I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 44:09

Would he keep leading it on if he wasn't into it?

SPEAKER_05 44:13

It was an earrate move.

SPEAKER_08 44:14

Yeah. I mean they were holding hands and stuff and it seemed kind of Yeah, I don't think she wanted to though.

SPEAKER_04 44:19

I think it was like a I think that she probably would have not had any reaction or talked to him at all if she didn't care.

SPEAKER_07 44:28

I do see what you mean. What do you think, Joe?

SPEAKER_04 44:31

Because she kind of ignored everybody else, to be completely like.

SPEAKER_08 44:34

I think she I don't think she'd think he would he would take it that far. Because that's when she had like her flashback of her dad's when he was like like trying to take her top off. And she was kind of like, no. Like pushing him off finally.

SPEAKER_07 44:47

That's when she realized she was like, that's when it was like, wait, no.

SPEAKER_08 44:50

That's like a snap in her mind.

SPEAKER_07 44:51

Yeah. I think you're right on that.

SPEAKER_08 44:53

And then also when she saw him kissing Judy and she became all mute again towards him. Yeah. And then finally it's like, yeah, let's go to the let's meet at the lake. It's like, take your clothes off.

SPEAKER_07 45:03

Well that does bring up another point though. When when she caught him kissing Judy, why what if if she didn't like him, why was she so angry?

SPEAKER_08 45:15

Yeah, she liked him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 45:16

So she had to have liked him a little bit, I guess.

SPEAKER_08 45:18

So I think I think she wanted to have that relationship but not take it to the extreme that Paul wanted to. Yeah, at the time. Because you know she knew she couldn't do it. You know, once again, lose the trousers like, oh, you have a dick. Yeah. Hold up. Wait a minute. Someday right. Talking about mood killer. Yeah. So yeah, it's kind of interesting to think about that she liked him, but she couldn't go far with him that he wanted to go. Yeah. And then that's when she's like, okay, well, I guess I gotta kill you too now. That's what it seems like cradling his head and humming, and it's more like a romantic thing than it's just, you know, uh curling out into the vagina or knife in the back in the shower. I'm gonna have nightmares about that thing at the end.

SPEAKER_06 46:04

Well, I think it was all under false pretenses, too. I mean, maybe that was the whole dynamic of things. I mean it might have had a guilty conscience on certain things.

SPEAKER_08 46:14

Yeah. That too. So kind of speaking of what Cameron said about the ending, uh, it is one of the biggest twist endings in cult film history. Um, most people who never heard of the movie know about that ending. Like Sean knew about the ending. You guys didn't know about that at all. No. So what did you guys think about that ending when she stands up? Well, he stands up and is like, oh, it's a man. Um it was definitely was it was it more disturbing? Was it more disturbing seeing the peen or Angela's face?

SPEAKER_04 46:45

Angela's face. It was overall, and honestly, my jaw dropped. I honestly had like nothing to say about it, but like, what is that scene?

SPEAKER_07 46:55

I saw that face first and I was like, what the heck? And then I I mean I unfortunately I veered down. I was like, wait, what the heck? Again, it was like I mean I will say this though, that ending was whoever did the special effects and all that, that was amazing. That thing is scary. If you can look up a photo of it, that thing is disgusting.

SPEAKER_08 47:20

You want to hear how it was done? Sure. So that's a plaster cast of Felicity Rose's face. It wasn't her, obviously, because as a dick. They found a they found a local college student, shaved his body, put the mask on him, and him stuck and had him stand naked after he got drunk. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_07 47:41

So that was an actual guy then.

SPEAKER_08 47:43

It was a guy. Some college guy that got from town to come in and do that one scene, put on the Damascovangelist's face.

SPEAKER_07 47:50

That's why he's like, Wow, is that even legal?

SPEAKER_06 47:54

In the 80s it was. I don't think that I think I think that the full frontal male nudity is such a a nuance in in cinema anyway. So for them to pair that with that face is literally nightmare fuel. Yeah, yes. You're not used to seeing either of those things together, and there's they're so I mean, it's just literally ridiculously scary to me. Yeah, that thing is scary.

SPEAKER_04 48:22

Yeah, it was like disgusting and scary of the scene.

SPEAKER_08 48:26

Yeah, yeah. And they said that uh he was crying during the scene because he got stage fright. And also no one knows who he is. That's also scary, don't you? Really? Yeah, they don't know his name or anything. Like, hell no.

SPEAKER_06 48:39

That's even scary. Worst part of the whole story won't be the better.

SPEAKER_04 48:43

I'm not leaving this.

SPEAKER_08 48:45

They can give you the chills. Yeah. No one knows who he was. No, because even after when I'm a foolish wristmaker, so who's the guy? It's like, yeah, no one knew. Just come from town, do the ones he, and then he left, and no one knew his name or nothing. So he didn't even get paid for. Not even in the paid with his cash.

SPEAKER_06 49:01

Wow. Yeah, it's just uh this guy could have been like Ted Bundy or someone. Yeah. Wow. Oh my gosh. Could have been like Joe in his teenage years.

SPEAKER_08 49:11

We never know. You never will either.

SPEAKER_06 49:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_08 49:19

You know the one doctor in the one scene when Reagan goes to get um tested? Um, there's one doctor in there that's actually he had killed a man beforehand in real life. Really? Yep.

SPEAKER_05 49:31

How far beforehand? I'm just curious. A couple months.

unknown 49:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 49:34

That movie is coded in curses, by the way. Oh, yeah. You can do a lot about that one too. Love to do that, by the way. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 49:42

So yeah, that that ending scene is what sets this apart because Friday 13th, obviously, this is a Friday 13th coded movie. You know, Camp, A Killer. Yeah, yeah. So you've had that, you have like The Burning, The Prowler, Mangler, Bloody, uh, Bloody Murder, Bloody Murder 2, Sunday, Bloody Murder. Um, yeah. So all those other movies you never heard of. But this one, well, you guys heard of it before, right? Have you guys heard of it before?

SPEAKER_07 50:08

Yeah, um, well, from you've too.

SPEAKER_08 50:09

Yeah.

unknown 50:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 50:10

So this is the one that sticks out uh along with Friday the 13th. So do you think it's just because of that ending that makes it stick out? If it wasn't if the ending was like a normal ending, do you think it would have had as much impact as it does now?

SPEAKER_07 50:22

Absolutely not. No, yeah. It is like a uh a slasher film though, or like some sort of, I think.

SPEAKER_06 50:29

It's it's like it and I hate to say this because I love Friday the 13th. It's it's Friday the 13th with the kills not being as good, but the ending being a lot better. Yeah, yeah, there is like a real ending here.

SPEAKER_07 50:44

Like this ending is insane. That ending was scary. I can't get that out of my head to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 50:51

I'm just thinking about it right now. I don't even have nothing to say.

SPEAKER_07 50:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 50:56

You what?

SPEAKER_04 50:57

I don't even have nothing to say. Oh man.

unknown 51:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 51:04

So have you guys heard of gender dysphoria? Yes. Okay, do you know what it is?

SPEAKER_06 51:11

Yeah, it's uh someone who's confused about the gender. Uh they're basically someone who's born a certain gender and they're they think that they're the opposite gender.

SPEAKER_08 51:21

Yeah. Yeah. So basically, in actual like Wikipedia terms, it's uh describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. So was Peter slash Angela an early example of this gender dysphoria?

SPEAKER_06 51:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 51:38

Yeah, yeah, I would say that's definitely a yes.

SPEAKER_08 51:41

Really?

SPEAKER_06 51:42

Yeah, yeah. I mean, because what case would you would you say against that?

SPEAKER_08 51:48

Um I think it's kind of the opposite, because I feel like Peter was more comfortable in his skin than um he was, but his aunt was the one that made him like her, but even then he was still able to be who he was for a sense, but it's all based off of traumatic experiences too.

SPEAKER_06 52:06

Yeah. So that takes into account everything, and I think that um I mean that plays an impact on everything. I I I think about things in my adolescence that form me into the person I am. I mean, when you're younger and you're a kid, um, you're a sponge, obviously. You're you're trying to gain as much knowledge into things as possible. You have no sort of preset to everything, so you only know what you know. I mean, and I think that it comes down to like a psychological stuff.

SPEAKER_07 52:35

I think it was it was brought upon him as like a kid. I don't think it was forced on him. Yeah, it wasn't his I wouldn't imagine it was his first thought, but it was like definitely forced on him to be like that. And then he ended up realizing wait.

SPEAKER_08 52:48

Do you think his attraction towards Paul is what kind of makes him lean into the fact he's accepting more of who he is as Angela?

SPEAKER_06 52:57

I would say that he wasn't comfortable throughout the whole thing either. So I mean, I guess that maybe to your point.

SPEAKER_08 53:04

Was he uncomfortable because he was uncomfortable to himself or because he was worried that people would find out who he was?

SPEAKER_06 53:10

Well, this is 2026, and I think that I have a skewed view on things, and I think that um people that really you know dive into that lifestyle of stuff, I think they're very confident. So I think back then it was a different time too. So um I would say that maybe it's up to your own imagination at that point because it was considered like a a taboo thing, you know.

SPEAKER_07 53:36

Yeah, like yeah, lesbians back then weren't and there was also very, very few. There's only one other lady who like was giving her a good time or like you know, trying to be nice or pleasant to her.

SPEAKER_08 53:47

Yeah, the counselor, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 53:49

Yeah, that was the only one I think that was nicer. The one that slapped Judy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She slapped her.

SPEAKER_04 53:53

That's what yeah, like literally nobody else in the whole movie was given besides for her cousin, but obviously it's her cousin, you know. Normally your cousins are kind of like your friends, but really nobody else was giving her any time of day, talking to her, or anything like that. So it could just be not the safety, but I don't really have a good word for it, but it's like all you got, kind of, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:19

Like just him bothering me.

SPEAKER_06 54:20

Like at least he's talking to me. It's 80s coded. That's all I have to say about it. I mean, 80s back then you have to understand no one came out as gay, no one came out as straight or or not straight, but uh lesbian or transgender. I mean, this is a different time period that you have to really understand like the the dynamics of things. I mean, there's not a lot of movies about that stuff, and in in these movies they make into horror movies, which is you know, today it's not a horror movie. Yeah. Um, they exaggerate things, but you know, they're more welcoming those kind of uh you know masks or or or identities that people put themselves into. So it's it's a different dynamic now than it was back then.

SPEAKER_08 55:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 55:07

Times have changed.

SPEAKER_08 55:08

Yes. Twenty plus years later. Yes, they have. Yeah. So do you think that Ricky knew Angelo was Peter? Yes.

SPEAKER_06 55:21

How so? Why? Um So this is this the cousin, right? Yeah. I mean, he obviously had the the mom aspect there, and he I mean he knew.

SPEAKER_07 55:39

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 55:41

I generally think he thinks it's like some cousin from somewhere else.

SPEAKER_07 55:44

Yeah, because I feel like he would have told his best friend.

SPEAKER_06 55:47

No, but he was always kind of uptight about it the the the person too at the same point and like very defensive. Yeah, but she's because he knew the dynamic of of everyone in the circle. So I would say that yes, he knew and he was defending her, but then he knew that Paul liked her and that they were together. That was his best friend.

SPEAKER_04 56:05

Yeah, I'm gonna say this right now. Like, I think I'm just gonna use this for example because like this is like if I go and ask Cameron, let's say I start talking to your guys' cousin Gianna, right? Uh this is you guys have a cousin that's like the same age. This is like if Cameron was like did not tell me she's a dude. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, that would be crazy.

SPEAKER_06 56:32

Yeah. And that's so that's so crazy. Gianna looks never mind.

SPEAKER_04 56:39

Stop that.

SPEAKER_08 56:42

Well, also, it was eight years after the accident when they go to the camp. So she was taken in. Well, he, Peter, was taken in by his aunt when they were by like six years old, seven. So Ricky was probably around that age, so he probably would have known. Like he may have seen something maybe in his own back of his mind, but I don't think he knew outright that. Yeah. I don't think so either.

SPEAKER_06 57:06

Yeah, and people are blinded by you know their their their predecessors and you know, like uh, you know, higher people in their circle. I mean, it comes down to nurt nature versus nurture too, you know, with uh people that are raising them and them not knowing better and having a skewed view on reality. So um I think that that definitely plays a big aspect on you know interpersonal relationships and stuff like that. So I I would say maybe, maybe not.

SPEAKER_08 57:33

Um yeah, I like I think he has some like I said, he has some repressed memories maybe of it.

SPEAKER_06 57:40

Well, we don't know what happens within those eight years though, either. So that's a big question that is you know left up to the imagination, too.

SPEAKER_08 57:47

Yeah, it's also interesting that in those eight years she never made Peter actually get a sex change. Just gave her hair.

SPEAKER_06 57:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 57:56

Like like Ricky could have seen her eight times, you know, in the bathroom, where oh. And the fact that he kept it without he didn't know the whole time, that's kind of also kind of but how common would that have really been back then?

SPEAKER_04 58:08

Like, how would you actually go about getting somebody a sex change? Like, was that even really a thing in the 80s?

SPEAKER_07 58:14

Yeah, I mean no, especially for a kid too.

SPEAKER_09 58:16

Oh yeah, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_08 58:17

But she was a doctor.

SPEAKER_04 58:19

Like if I like if I was Is she doctor of she is a doctor, but she's not a surgeon. Yeah, I mean because like if somebody asked me, like even right now, I'm not trying to be controversial or nothing, but go for it. If somebody asked me to uh change the gender of my kid, I would I would seriously have a problem with that, or if they asked me to change the gender of their kid, I would have a problem with it.

SPEAKER_08 58:47

Yeah, I'd be like, no.

SPEAKER_04 58:48

Yeah, no, that's weird. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 58:52

So um this movie is kind of like uh has a love-hate relationship with the transgender community. Uh some love it because it's the big reveal shows that gendered identity is something chosen and not forced, as Peter had no say in being Angela and acted accordingly. Subsequently, others hate it because it helped perpetuate the narrative that trans and gender fluid people are evil. Scariest thing ever. Oh god. What? That thing was disgusting at the end. Yep. So what do you think? I think that's Peter was it's just like is it's Peter wasn't transgender though, because he wasn't at the butt, okay.

SPEAKER_06 59:31

But we're using a a skewed view of things here too. So I'm not even gonna I mean this is crazy. This is uh obviously a movie. I think that this stuff normally happens in different situations where it's it's it's not on the circumstance that we just watch. So why do we why do we use that as the baseline of things? I mean, that's that's a crazy aspect of yeah. Yeah. Um, but uh what was your question?

SPEAKER_08 1:00:00

Oh, I was just saying like um about uh the trans community either loving it or hating it, depending on what they feel about the character.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:09

I mean, I I I I'm not I'm indifferent on it. I think that it's it's up to the imagination. I I don't take like offense to that. I think it was a great movie. I love the movie, um, but to use that as kind of a crutch to uh substantiate transgender identity and all this stuff is kind of uh kind of a crazy thing. Um I would I would disagree with that a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:38

Yeah. So kind of speaking about the movie in general today, uh in September 2025, Keenan Thompson's production company acquired the rights to remake Sleep Away Camp with original writer, director Robert Hilsick. So what do you think about this considering the different themes that the movie touches on? Would it work today? Or would they have to change a bunch of things?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:57

I think they would have to change too much to actually be able to even put it in a theater and get it produced because people are so soft nowadays that you can't really even make this movie anymore.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:09

I mean, it's such a plot twist of a movie that it was so good at its time because it was such a new thing. And now today it's such a common thing that you're not surprised. Yeah, it's not gonna be the same. It's it's it's not even a horror movie, it's a comedy or something else at that point.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:26

Yeah, I agree. So I don't think it'll have the same shock factors.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:30

No, no, because you're not gonna you're not gonna have the the cafeteria guy being all like, oh, look at these little pieces of thing. Like you wouldn't have that in this movie. You wouldn't have you wouldn't have Paul kissing Angela without her consenting.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:40

You wouldn't have Hollywoods become too soft, yeah. Way too soft.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:45

Yep. George Carlin is spinning in his grave.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:49

So anything else you guys want to talk about this movie? Any uh lingering thoughts before we get to the first time jitters?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:56

Um, yeah, I uh I think it was a great movie, first and foremost. Um I think that 80s movies were probably the last uh century of movies where there have been really good movies. I mean to a certain extent, I guess. Um and uh I think that today's movies are just it's it's it's not like it used to be. And um I think that's why we really gravitate towards 80s figures with Michael Jackson, anyone else um in in that sort of landscape. Um that's when that's basically the golden age of these kind of movies, because you're you're afraid to offend certain people nowadays. And you know, I'm not a uh I'm the first and foremost to say that I love this movie. I love the concept of the movie, but it's it's something we're living in now, so I don't think that it's that big of a shock value. And I think that we're just we're we're making people um we're we're just I mean it it's it's it's not like it used to be, where things were original anymore. We're just yeah, I don't know. It's it's it's we're just doing uh revamps of movies and stuff like that. And um it's like that's great. I don't remember the last time I saw really uh that great of a movie, to be honest with you. I even movies like this, Sleepway Camp was an excellent movie. I would put this against any movie um just as far as being creative and stuff in the last century. I mean, uh or last uh ten years. I mean decade. Decade, maybe, yeah. Last hundred years, why? But it's but it's but no, it's just it's just there's there's levels of the stuff, obviously, and I think that um you know you you you be too afraid to offend certain people, and I think to add on to that, people were truly like their own person, like from like probably like the main portion would be like from the 60s to the 80s.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:08

People really just did what they wanted, like they were bold, they said how they felt, and that's just not how people are nowadays. You'll get canceled.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:21

Yep, yeah. There are still movies though, like Human Centipede that push it quite a bit.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:26

I guess what I'm trying to get at is there's certain restrictions that people have on stuff that they're afraid to be canceled from Hollywood, which Hollywood has always been sort of a uh a way for you to express yourself, right? And people are afraid to get canceled um from certain sort of territories that they want to go into. So, you know, even with scary movie and stuff like that, which I'm looking forward to the new one, but yes, um, you know, people are just afraid to get canceled, and it's that cancel culture that ruins cinema for me. I think theaters will collapse on themselves.

unknown 1:05:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:05

So do you guys have any questions about the movie before we go on?

SPEAKER_07 1:05:08

Yeah, well, so was she in fact the only killer? Yes. For sure. Yeah. Okay, because there were some scenes with like I know she's obviously a guy, but there were scenes where it's very obvious that it's a guy's hand. Yeah, like when it's extremely obvious.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:22

Like when Arnie had his standing and they grab the he grabs the chair. Yeah, like the veins in the hand. Yeah. Well, that's the whole thing with uh Felicia Russia's parents said that she couldn't be seen killing anybody, so it was all Ricky, Ricky's actor, was doing all the like the anytime you see his hand like hands on screen, just his hands.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:39

Well, I think that's what was kind of tricky to understand though, because you would think that if they're trying to hide it, then somehow like they would hide the veins. I don't know, not the veins even, but just longer fingernails or something like that.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:49

And yeah, that's that's one like that's what's like when Tyler saw it, he's like, I thought Ricky was a killer. I'm like, no, they just needed him to do it because they couldn't have her do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:57

I don't know why it's kind of crazy they didn't pick a different. An actor for her just because of that. Like there's plenty of other people.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:04

Even if you just get someone with like or a female act, it's just a female to grab it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:08

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:10

Like because the veins were the biggest thing. I mean, you could tell that was a guy's hand. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:13

Well, you guys seen the first Friday 13th, right? Yeah. Yeah. So anytime you see hands on that, it's Tom Savini. It's not um Betsy Palmer. So that's why when I didn't was like Mrs. Voijes is the killer, everyone's like, wait.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:25

Yeah, I guess that's true.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:26

But the hands like you like you see hand, you see hair on the knuckles when she's like sending the girl's throat. I'm like, Well, that's a guy. No. Yeah. Yeah. It was an 80s thing, I guess. Bring a good point up. Women couldn't be stunned performers in the 80s. Yeah. Stunned hand performers. But yeah, that's that it's definitely a throw off. Like I said, the scene when Judy opens the door, I mean they open the door and Ricky's there, like in the light, you see like a his face. It's like, wait. So it's just me, you know. I mean, this is his first time film directing, so maybe he's just and also like I said, like advancements in technology, you didn't see it back then. Maybe it was less obvious. Yeah. Why?

SPEAKER_07 1:07:03

Yeah. Huh. Never mind. That's it. You gotta ask. Yeah. I don't understand like why now. Like I guess she's bullied, she's getting bullied now over any time, but like I don't know. I'll have to watch the the sequels to this movie and see the rest of it.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:22

There's really no no correlation.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:25

Just so happened. It goes back to campy, it's a campy comedy after that. Yeah, it's kind of a stupid question, but because she's just like the second movie she comes out, she's like, I was in prison for years. I was over getting sex changed operation. I'm finally I'm fooling Angela now, and I'm back for revenge.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:39

I'm like, okay. I wonder who let her out. What the heck? I mean and she escaped. And this stuff has been going on for obviously a long time. And you know, even back then, like I said, it's it's you know, it's she's she's obviously going through certain steps and stuff, and they're they're playing different uh aspects of this movie, but um, but yeah, I'd be interesting in seeing those other movies. I mean, were any of the other ones good?

SPEAKER_08 1:08:06

There can't be. Yeah, they're good. I liked I liked I liked two and three really a lot. I laugh. I've seen them a couple of times. But are they anything like shock value wise? No, no, no, no. No shocks at all. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:18

It's a very generic slasher thing, but it's funny. You know, you know where I I would actually oddly enough put this movie at is uh this is gonna sound really weird, but you have you've seen you've seen Paranormal Activity.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:31

How it it's like drawn out pretty much the whole entire movie and one of those boring movies to watch, but it is also really good, I think. It is like especially at the end, like it's it's amazing. If you get I know I've said this before on the podcast, that's Blair Witch Project, too. Yeah, yeah. I've said this before on the podcast, but if you listen, if you watch um uh that movie with good stereo system or loud, that movie is scary, yeah, like extremely scary.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:59

Yeah, it does use the sound, yeah, yeah. Especially in the end. Yes, because I I watched it the first time at 3 a.m. Because I'm like, okay, so scary. I'm like, and we 3 a.m. you know by myself, just the TV ongoing.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:11

Such a psycho sociopath.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:12

Yeah, I'm like, okay, cool, cool. Yeah. There's like oh here's like, my god. I'm like, oh, it's over. Oh, I can watch this again then nothing compares to Sinister, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:22

Oh shot.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:24

Except for Sinister 2.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:25

Yeah, you can't do that. Or Sinister 3. I didn't mean that. Paranormal Activity is an amazing movie. It is. You have loud, loud speakers. Yeah, it is. After I watched it in the date when I was awake. Yeah, it's it's pretty good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:39

In general, though, if we're gonna be completely honest. Like, let's say you go to the theater, that's what makes every scary movie better when you go to a theater, is because of the zone.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:51

Yeah, that specific movie though, I don't know. Because that's a weird movie. It's not like like I think I'd fall asleep out of the movie theater to be honest with you. Sleepway camp? No, no, um, paranormal activity. Yeah, because it's it's not an average movie, like it's one of those movies that if you're by yourself or like with one other person and you're blasting loud, it's gonna be scary. It's a slow burn. Yeah, it's a slow burner.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:13

But that Joe, what's the best movie you want to go see in theaters? Well, like uh the whole aspect of things, like the volume, like I mean, it'd be endgame. Endgame, okay. Just the crowd reaction. I saw it like 23 times, I know.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:27

Yeah, just the crowd reactions and everything. But yeah. That was the Minecraft movie. I was curious.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:32

Oh you should see his face right now. Yeah, no. Joe, you gotta get a you gotta get a video game. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:42

I actually had so much fun at the Minecraft movie, it was unreal. It was gonna kill you all. I didn't want to hit you something right now, and that's nothing too unbreakable.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:52

There's a Captain America shield right behind me.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:55

It's gonna fall apart. Sorry. He doesn't want to waste it on your face. Uh your face ain't worth it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:03

Not a chance.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:04

No, I mean Minecraft was fine. I'm messing around, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:08

It was the crowd.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:10

It was the crowd that annoyed the hell out of me. Especially when I worked at the theater. I know you have a lot of crowd stories, Joe. Yeah. I know you remember a lot of different things you saw. But I guess I quit the theater. Really? Yep. No way. Yep. When was that? I quit about a month ago. No, at the end of April. Oh wow. Was it like a ripping off a band-aid or like it's just bye? Okay. I just got tired. Okay. I I like worked like one day a week there and being in management. I hate being management. Like, I'm not in charge. Like, I hate being in charge.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:40

Well, you this this podcast, I think you're taking a leap of faith that's going to be worth it.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:45

Well, yeah, because you guys are not going to be like, you know, jumping on children's back, throwing popcorn at people yelling, chicken jockey. Chicken jockey. I guess it's tell you get the hell out of here. Exactly. Exactly. So I'm like, yeah, I don't want that pressure anymore. Yeah. Anyway, first time jitter's time. Let's see how much Gabby gets right on this case. Hell yeah. Yeah. Five questions. All right. What are the first words Angela says in the movie?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:10

Oh shit. Oh.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:12

That's a great question. Thank you. Because she's mute through most of it, but then she starts speaking and she says, uh Oh, I think she says goodnight.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:20

I don't want to be the last person to say it because he says goodnight to her and then he leaves, and then I think she I think she says goodnight as well back.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:28

Make the case, Gavin.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:30

No, that's my bad. I was thinking of what they were saying on the boat. I wasn't thinking of actual Angela. I was thinking of uh not Ricky. What beer?

SPEAKER_07 1:12:38

You wouldn't be wrong to think that.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:40

But I don't know if that's the question.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:42

Yeah, I don't think that I would say goodnight.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:46

Grown up Angela, not kid Angela. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say it's good night, but that's up to you guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:52

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:53

I have no idea, so I'm gonna go with I'm gonna refer to him.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:57

It's good night. Ah, there we go. Yes, let's go. Got it. So when Meg goes to take a shower, there's a couple of girls in front of her. How many girls were there in front of her? Three.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:07

Three. Yeah, there's three. Good job. Well, I guess. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wasn't there three in line and the one in the shower?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:13

Yeah, there's three in line. Three in line. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:15

Oh, you were asking how many? Yeah, in line for a shower, yeah. Got it.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:18

Maybe I need to listen. What shampoo does Meg use in the shower?

unknown 1:13:23

What?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:23

No idea.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:24

It's like she literally has it like turned right to the audience as he's squeezing that out.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:29

That was advertisement. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:31

Head and shoulders.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:32

Knees and toes?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:33

No. Okay. Pantine.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:40

Oh, is that the answer? Yeah, I guess. Flex. Flex. Yeah, that's not even a brand that's around anymore. Nope. So you got two right, one wrong. Number four, uh when uh Peter put and when Paul puts his hands over Angela's eyes, he asks her who it is. She's like, Ricky? Says, no, guess again. So she names a celebrity. Who does she name?

SPEAKER_07 1:14:08

It was an oddball celebrity too, in my opinion. It was uh it's not I know it's not Eric Baldwin. Paul Goodman. I don't know. I don't know. Jesse James. No, 100% not. I guarantee it's not.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:33

I might have I probably would have remembered Jesse.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:37

Maybe not. Paul Newman? Or do you know? Paul Newman.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:42

Bert Reynolds.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:44

Is it Bert Reynolds? No. Oh yeah, because I was thinking right when she said that, I was thinking Bert uh Bert Chrysler's the isn't he the uh comedian? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I was thinking about when she said that.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:56

So you got two right, two wrong, and who's right, what's right in the tie. What bunk number is Judy's? Judy's.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:05

Ah, fourth. Fourth bunker.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:10

There's a no, it's a number on the door. Twenty-two. No idea. Thirty-two. You got two right that sign, though.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:24

Oh man.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:25

Alright, rotten tomatoes out of a hundred. What is the critic score?

SPEAKER_07 1:15:28

63. The critics. Oh yeah, uh well. Yeah, I'm going, I'm I would be, yeah, I would I would say 60 around 60s as well. I'll go 60. Sean? That's a really good guess, I think, Kevin. 72. 82. The critic score is 82.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:47

Yeah. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:50

They all liked the twist. They liked the story to it about the like Peters transitioning and whatever, and like the time, like the like how they took the risks for 1983, like an openly gay couple in bed and everything. Like for that time, it was definitely unheard of. So yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:07

Wait, on the Friday the 13th, I know this is kind of a challenge, but was the critic score pretty high on that? The first one, yes. It was? Yeah, and it's just kept going down after that. Was it just as high pretty much? Yeah. That's interesting. Okay. I think it was higher. Anyway, so what was the critic uh audience score? Oh, the audience score.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:27

63, I'm going with 80.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:30

No, I would stay around. I'm gonna stay with 80. The original? The original was superway camp.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:37

Oh.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:38

I'm going 80. 61. 61.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:45

Yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:49

You're one off, Gavin. Okay, so out of a hundred, how would you rate it? And why?

SPEAKER_07 1:16:57

I would go well I would go with like a s like an 80. And why? I don't think it was a perfect a perfect movie at all. Um the acting was actually pretty good for the most part. Um the ending was what made it for me. I think it was a really good ending.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:16

Sean. 78. And why? Um because I know a lot of horror movies more than my brother. And um I'm all about I'm all about twist endings, and I think that that was great. I think that the uh the whole visuals of stuff is really powerful in this movie. And um the only thing I would say that they need they fell short on was sort of the uh the development of the movie throughout it. Um and some of the some of the acting wasn't what I wanted it to be. Gavin?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:48

I'm gonna give it a 70. Uh and I'm gonna give it the 70 for the shock factor at the end. But to me, the movie wasn't that catching. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:03

Like it wouldn't be a movie I'd watch annually, actually.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:07

Yeah, exactly. Like, I'll probably never watch this again, realistically. Yeah. But there's a lot of movies, because I'm a repeat movie watcher, so normally if I watch a movie, I probably watch it at least like five more times.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:20

Yeah. But but to be fair, if you were to tell your friends about this movie and want them to watch it one time, would you have them watch it one time?

SPEAKER_07 1:18:31

I think I should know your answer, but probably not.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:35

I would I would agree.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:36

I would hope you wouldn't, Gavin. I'd be a little disappointed to be honest. Okay. Why is that?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:40

I I think it'd be funny to like because my dad is like doesn't really watch movies or anything, I think it'd be funny to like show my dad it randomly because he'd be like, what the fuck? Yeah. But I think that'd probably be the only person I'd ever show this movie to.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:54

Yeah, it's it's not like a super it's not super engaging. Like for I mean our buddies, I think we need something more engaging that's like interesting the whole entire time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:06

Whether it be scary the whole time or like really it was just that shock factor at the end that really actually did it for me. Yeah. The whole rest of the movie is just like it's like watching, um I'm trying to think of a good example. It's like watching Disney Channel as an adult. Like, you're like, holy shit, that shit's bad.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:27

To Gavin's point, he was texting and I had to tap on him to watch the end of the movie. I remember that being the case. Yeah. Which I mean, you know, he's trying to riz up his huzz, so I I get that it's okay. But I I knew where it was coming and it paid off. I think a little bit for him, at least in the end. Yeah. In the end, it literally paid off.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:49

It's a weird payoff, but I'm not sure if I wanted to see that to be honest. Oh no, everyone watched that. That was terrifying, to be honest. That was terrifying.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:57

And also, I mean, just the sound she was making, too. Yes. Like, uh it's like Erica Kirk. So um, so they redid the movie, it's all Muppets, except for one person's human. Which one's the human?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:17

You're gonna have us give us some names, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:20

A lot of these names weren't really like Peter Peter was the the boyfriend type. The one that got his head cut off at the end. Terrible character. No, Peter is saying Peter Sanilo, Peter Sanjelo. Never mind.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:33

Okay, what was the uh Paul is the boy? What what was her cousin? The the the main character Ricky, yeah. I'd say him. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:42

Either the bully or the uh Judy. Yeah, either her or the um the camp like president. Mel. The actual guy. Yeah, Mel. Yeah, him. Yeah, one of the two, I think they would be really good. Yeah, especially Mel on the kid at the end, just picking him up and trying to hit him. Smacking Kerrman around. It's like it's just a little, he's just a little like puppet.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:05

I I'm gonna say Judy, but the other one that I think that would be funny would be the guy that was wearing all the gold gym shirts and stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:19

He doesn't do anything up to his office.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:21

He literally just like lifts and stands around.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:26

These guys knows that when uh Mel's talking to Ricky and he's just in the background for no reason.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:30

Literally doing like lad off raises, and nobody else is doing anything but talking.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:35

He's like, I'm gonna do my morning exercises off screen. Uh like he's in the background. Just keep rolling.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:40

Gavin, that that won it, I think. Yeah, that's that one that yeah. That you guys did like his fashion though. Yeah. The cook would be good too, but not as good as Gavin's. Yes, Gavin's was pretty good.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:50

Yeah, that was good.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:51

That was a good one. What would you have, Joe?

SPEAKER_08 1:21:53

Uh Mel. Mel, okay. You guys want to seem like obsessed with Miss Piggy being slaughtered, and then all of a sudden you have Miss Piggy have a penis.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:01

Big, big, big. Imagine Miss Piggy face like that'd be so good.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:09

Okay, well, um, thank you guys for taking the gamble, getting your cemeteries popped with uh Superboy Camp. Any final words before we go?

SPEAKER_06 1:22:15

Oh, thank you guys. Yeah, thank you for having us on. Thanks.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:17

As always, Joe. Oh, yeah, it's always fun. This was an awesome episode.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:21

It was a lot of fun. Went an hour and 20 minutes, so almost like the length of the movie. Wow. All right. Thank you all for listening. Until next time, remember to stay fresh.

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