Episode 146: "Lion" (2017) with Tyler

Based on the incredible true story, "Lion" is a story about one man's quest to find his brother and mother at any cost. What did Tyler think of this harrowing, emotional film?

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Hello and welcome to Poppin' Cinema, which is Mama and Friends, the podcast where I pop my friends cinema chairs one movie at a time. I'm here with Tyler. Hello, Tyler. Hi Joe. So Tyler, um, do you believe that there's limits to human resilience, or do you think that against insurmountable and impossible odds, you'll be able to accomplish the impossible?

SPEAKER_08 0:37

As a whole or on an individual level? Both. On an individual level, it's probably a not as fun answer. But I think, yeah, obviously, like there's individuals that are capable of quite a lot, but I think others probably not so much. But I think on aggregate, even though there's a lot of goobers, I think in the end, resilience is kind of our thing. Kind of like a parasite. Hard to kill.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

Yeah, we just uh wherever we start minds to, we do it. Yep. And succeed or fail depends on I don't know. Yeah. Fate, luck. Fate, luck, yeah. Who knows? Well, this ties to the movie we're watching today, which is called Lion. Uh it was released in 2016, directed by Garth Davis, uh, stars Sonny Piboir, Dev Patel, Nicole Kidman, and Rooney Mera. So, what do you know about this movie before we start?

SPEAKER_08 1:34

Absolutely nothing. Yeah, I don't even the name the actors and actors. I'm terrible at actors and but yeah, yeah, all of it is nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

White noise. Rooney Mara was in uh ghost story, she was the girlfriend that sat on API for like ever. Yeah, okay. And Nicole Kimman's like huge. Yeah, Kimman, yeah. Def Patel was the green knight. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, okay. I can see some faces. It's not helping me with this movie at all, but I can see their faces now. Yeah, yeah. Well, uh, the movie is after losing his way at five years old, a young Indian boy who's adopted by an Australian couple uh grows older and sets out to do the impossible, find his true home. So I'll play the trailer for you to listen to, and when it's done, we'll be back to discuss the movie once I get the trailer pulled up because I thought it was pulled up, but it is not, apparently, because I was stupid, I didn't really listen into it. Oh, that is a conversion for a game, so we're gonna hear that first for the next five seconds. I don't I'm not sponsored by this. Then we got some uh titulating tidbits about the movie first. Um the eight-year-old Sonny Pawar, who played Young Siru, was originally originally unable to attend the U.S. premiere because he was denied a visa. Producers of the film made an appeal to Homeland Security, after which Peiwar and his father were allowed to come to the U.S.

SPEAKER_08 4:30

Nice.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

Right? Uh at the Australian box office, they had the biggest ever opening weekend for an Australian independent film, and among all Australian films, it is the fifth highest opening of all time. Uh Dev Patel had to develop a new physique physique to portray Ceru and attended several hours in the gym in order to inhabit his part. He grew a beard, developed an Australian accent, visited Saru's orphanage in India, wrote a diary where he took the original train ride that uh Saru accidentally took as a young child. He spent eight months preparing for the role and he earned an Oscar nomination for Best Supporting Actor. So they did a lot of work for it. Well deserved. Oh yeah. Uh Nicole Kidman was handpicked by the real life Sue Birdly for her part. Uh, Brearly suggested Kidman for the very first time. The film adaptation was suggested to her and actually met with Kidman at her Sydney apartment to discuss the role. Both women forged a close bond in the course of their conversation about discovering that they were both deeply maternal and loved their adoptive and biological children in equal measure, and also earned Nicole Kidman a best supporting actress nomination.

SPEAKER_08 5:33

Damn.

unknown 5:33

Great.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

Also got a best pitch nomination, best uh adapted film, and then two other film nominations, but they won anything. It was very, very disappointing. Uh based on Saru's memoir, A Long Way Home, the true story of his own search for his childhood home. 4,000 boys auditioned to play the role of young Saru Brearly, and uh no extras used for the final scene where Saru returns home. They are all real-life villagers of the town.

SPEAKER_04 5:59

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

Alright, so what are your thoughts about the movie overall? That was that was really good.

SPEAKER_08 6:07

Yeah. Uh yeah, it was like it was like in terms of like a drama, like the acting, all of it was like the filming, it was like like the way the camera was kind of used to kind of like almost like put you in there was like crazy well done. Like the jump cuts between like Google Maps and the actual like terrain and all that was like it would any if it was done poorly, it would feel jumpy and gross, but like that was like seamless. Yeah. Like you could it was like if you're looking at pants and you're trying to find the seam or like the hem, it's like you couldn't you couldn't see anything.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

It was it was really good. Oh yeah. I guess some thoughts on L Shard a little bit later. So we're gonna talk about the movie. Uh so the first half of the movie focuses on young Saru. He goes for this older brother Gadoo when they go to work one night and falls asleep on the bench. After he wakes up, he searches for his brother on the train and falls asleep in one of the compartments and awakens later to find the train moving. He ends up far from home, well, several days on that train, and uh he doesn't understand the Bengali language when he arrives in Calcutta, can't pronounce the name of his home city, or his mom's name is just-I mean, it's also I can't remember how old I was when I actually learned my mom had a name. Yeah, that's a good point. Because they're like, what was your mom's name? Mom? Yeah. Like a kid's five years old, like Yeah, how does how's he gonna know? Yeah, but uh so what did you think of Saru and Gadoo's connection?

SPEAKER_08 7:38

It was really cute. I mean, it's like that classic like big brother, little brother thing. There's like this sense of like protection that you really get out of the actors that like kind of like you don't want to disappoint, which ends up losing them. But the like it it felt like so incredibly real, like the bond between the two. It was really well done.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Yeah. I loved it. Like he felt the love between them, like their connection, like even 25 years later, he's on the street, he's like, my brother like screaming for a name every day. I'm like, god damn. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I was like, whoo! So deep, like the guilt that he felt like living in luxury while his brother was supposedly living like in squalor in India and everything, and how he told his girlfriend, like, you know, this like luxury sickens me. Yeah, everything like damn.

SPEAKER_08 8:36

Yeah, yeah, it was like it was so incredibly well set up, too, because in the beginning you're kind of like, Wow, they're taking a long time setting this up, but then when you realize it's pretty much like the meat of the movie, it like it makes everything at the end feel so much heavier. Yeah, like it's so incredibly well set up in the beginning that like their relationship like squares it out completely. Because I mean, obviously he's close to his mom, but like Gadoo is like the guy he spends most of his time with.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

His mom's working and all that stuff, so yeah, yeah, it's really good. So then uh he's lost in Calcutta, can't speak uh Bengali because he's hen he speaks Hindi. Um he meets a seemingly nice woman who takes him in and tells him a man will help him find his way home, only to discover they're working for a child slave operation, and they attempt to kidnap him, but he manages to get away. Now, did you think that she was always evil or it was that a surprise to you when uh her friend arrived and then it all just went to shit?

SPEAKER_08 9:35

Yeah, it surprised me. But to be fair, I don't know why it surprised me, because he did not I mean it's like twice he like got out, he got out in the train, and then that would be the second time he got out. So like it definitely wasn't a nice place for children. But yeah, it she had this like affectionate thing to her, like uh motherly thing. But those are usually the best accomplices. I mean, like Golane Maxwell is probably Satan incarnate, but like the the whole like Madame thing, it's real.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

So yeah, I guess you hear stories where like women are told, you know, look out for men, you know, because they might get kidnapped, and then you see like another woman, like, oh, can you help me? Like, oh, okay. Yeah. And you get taken. I didn't I thought she was on the up and up until she said, I have a friend that's going to help you. I'm like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_08 10:31

Yeah, I think that was probably it. Because I was like, this guy's either like ace ventura pet detective or like some sort of like slave owner thing.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

Yeah, when you got into bed with the surreal, I was like, oh. Yeah, I was like, this is this is no run! Yeah, I remember I was in the theater, like I was the whole story, but watching in the theater, I was just like, don't go. Yeah, I was literally like yelling at the screen.

SPEAKER_08 10:56

Well, not yelling, it was like mentally throwing your thoughts at it.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Well now I was I was talking, but I was like whispering talking like Yeah. And he finally escaped my god. I'm like, what's the I've I'm like so engrossed in the movie that I forget, well, yeah, he makes it because he's found at the end and all that stuff like that.

SPEAKER_08 11:12

Who's writing the book if he doesn't?

SPEAKER_02 11:13

Yeah, it's like oh he died. Wait, who wrote the book? Yeah. But so it's like it was so oh crazy. So then two months later, he's taken to the police and put into an orphanage. Um that orphanage looked more like a frickin' prison than anything. But that's India. I mean, there's like what 1.4 or 14 billion people there or something. It's like the largest yeah, outside of China.

SPEAKER_08 11:38

Yeah, there's no other population like it.

SPEAKER_02 11:40

Yeah, it's just crazy. There's just like literally like in cells.

SPEAKER_08 11:43

Yeah, well and yeah, I think like 80,000 children in terms of like the one I don't know how to the population, but to say it's one billion, like that 80,000 of that percentage is incredibly low. But because the population is so high, the amount of children missing is so high, so then there's probably like uh a negative thing, like the slave trade, whether it's physical, sexual, whatever it is, but there's probably like people profiting off of children being lost.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

Yeah. Well that and also the one scene when they're at night and the they come in to take the one kid that was sitting his head on the wall. Mm-hmm. And like you know, it's just happened back before morning. Yeah. So it wasn't just slave trade, it was you know, sex trade and yeah, all of it. And then um even before then, when uh they're being chased by the men in the subway, not subway, but like the tunnels, and like she was one guy away, but it was like the policeman that was just standing there, like the corruption of that too. Yeah, just paid off to look the other way while they're get kids get taken. Yeah. It's insane. It's like we live here, we don't want to think about these types of things, and then yeah, it puts things in perspective a little bit.

SPEAKER_08 12:51

Because you really don't you don't understand, like you might think like, oh man, my AC could only get me down to 75 today instead of 71. It was so hot, but then it's like imagine just like living in like an open-air prison with a bunch of kids and being beat, you know, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

Yeah, yeah, it's terrifying. So they get he gets adopted by a couple in Australia and um taken to Australia. So do you think this was good for him to find a family in a more well-off area of the world, or was it more detrimental for his hope to find his original home?

SPEAKER_08 13:27

No, I think that was probably like the best outcome for him. No, like sure when he becomes like self-aware of his family, but as a traumatized, I don't know, let's say five-year-old, who knows the actual age, but as a traumatized child, like there probably was this like I don't know, like he's seen a lot and he's like, okay, well, like let me like this is my life now. Like, whatever was in India is not me anymore. I'm Australian. He talks about like cricket and rooting for the Aussies and all that stuff. But then, like, what was it? The little uh JLB or whatever the heck was, or that's not one of the questions.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

I couldn't pronounce it. That's good. I can't pronounce it either.

SPEAKER_08 14:12

I'd say red weird stuff that's red.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

I thought it was the Twizzlers at first when I first saw it. We'd be like, those Twizzlers?

SPEAKER_08 14:18

Yeah, something like that. But like it was it was really cool how like it all ties together in that moment. But I think like it's really hard. Say like he never he would never I think who knows how life works, but it seems to me that if he was forced to grow up in an orphanage in Calcutta, that his chances of finding his mom were probably zero.

SPEAKER_02 14:44

Yeah. It's like a needle in a haystack in a haystack. Yeah. In a haystack, in a world of haystacks, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 14:50

In a galaxy of haystacks.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

Yeah, it's he doesn't know her name, can't pronounce his own city.

SPEAKER_08 14:56

Yeah, literally has to use like Google Maps and like broken memories. So like there's if yeah, and I doubt there's Google Maps for a lot of poor people in Calcutta. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

Well, Google Earth, but maps. Yeah, Google Earth, yeah. Maps is more closer defined now. Yeah. I think Earth was I don't think Goo Google Maps was around back in 2010, but I don't know, maybe.

SPEAKER_08 15:15

Uh don't think so. I do remember Google Earth because I remember using it to look up Area 51. That's like the thing I remember. What'd you see? Uh nothing. Oh. They're like a square in the dirt in the dirt. Everything's underground, so yeah. Unfortunately for me. But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

I do like Google Earth and like there was the one game, it was I don't know if it was an app or just on on a website where they gave like an image from Google Earth and did like uh find out where it is.

SPEAKER_08 15:41

Mm-hmm. They have something similar to that now, but it's called like GeoGesser. I think that's what it might be similar to that. I don't know if it was GeoGesser back then, but there was there's a thing now where like you get dropped a random place on the planet, and then you get to like for 60 seconds get to look around and try and see you get to move down the roads and stuff too. But yeah, that's that whole premise of like using that to like and not only using that, but like how life works, where it's like you use that and you're on like the edge of giving up, and then you just scroll a few times and find it. Just like shit like that is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Well, it's kind of too about how like like um like in school when you study for a test really, really hard, you like you know, put hours and hours into it, and by the time you get to it, you just flunk it because you forget everything. Yeah. And I remember for me, uh I took the ACTs. I took it the first time I studied my ass off for it, I got like a 21. Then the second time I forgot. Like I woke up like an hour before I had to be there. So I just winged it, got like a 32. I'm like, huh. Yeah. Yeah, it is weird how your brain works like that sometimes. Yeah. I think you just put too much pressure on your mind, and then you just kind of click, click, click. Wait, what? I know where that's at.

SPEAKER_08 17:00

Yeah, it's almost like your brain is like a d a lemon, and you can only squeeze so much juice out of it.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

So they he's adopted by the uh Sue and John, uh really really. I don't know if we're not saying that right or not, but anyway, so what'd you think of them as parents?

SPEAKER_08 17:17

Yeah, I mean like how fortunate is he to be like uh just picked out and then find like human adopted parents. Like I mean, who knows what real life versus the movie was, but in the least in the movie, they were like super human. Like even to the point where like his uh adopted brother is like self-destructive and it's like they st she still like keeps the plate for him. You know what I mean? Like it does it's like like good people through like good with like no desire for like reward kind of good, which is like the best kind of good. But yeah, like how fortunate they get in that family is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

Yeah. It's interesting that they don't talk about John too much, but it's all about Sue. And also like I mean, I think we touched on this in a different episode about the dynamics between a son and mother and father and daughter, like how they're like the son and father, there's not a lot of like connection with that, but like the son and mother, there's always that deeper connection. Yeah. Like he was more with her with Sue and then always with his mom. Camilla, Camila, Kamala, I'm something like that. Something. But um how he was more in tune with her than with him, but he wasn't like a bad guy, he was just there.

SPEAKER_08 18:42

Yeah, it seemed like he was more like even when he was like coming out to hang out and stuff, he was talking about like, hey, like something about catching the game or something along those lines, or you want to come out fishing or something like that. Like, he wasn't it wasn't like he was evil by any stretch of the imagination, but it was like very much like a like you said, like a normal like father-son relationship. Like you're usually like in a healthy, let's say, because who knows what a healthy father is anymore, but uh it seems more difficult than it is. But uh it seems like their job, like a father-to-son, is more to like like prepare you for life, and then like a mother has this like protect you from life thing, yeah. So then there's kind of like this paternal maternal thing going on, where like his way of loving him is to give him like a normal life, whatever normal is, but yeah, like she has like even though she didn't birth him, she has this like maternal instinct towards him and probably him knowing he had a mother and then now having this mom is like incredibly like like the puzzle piece fits because obviously he didn't have a father in his life, so there probably was more connection to his Australian mom that way, anyways.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

Yeah, I agree. It was interesting when I first thought I was like, my father gets kind of the shaft, but it kind of makes sense when you think about it. Yeah. He was he was there still, he was he loved him enough and he didn't do anything wrong, yeah. So they also adopted uh Mantosh who uh shows some mental issues that cause his rage and self-harm, uh becomes a problem for his family when he goes missing and wanders off. Um what did you think of him? And uh do you think he had a harder time adjusting to the new life as opposed to Saru?

SPEAKER_08 20:31

Yeah, but I think that's just people's brains. Like, who knows? He could have been, I don't know, I'm saying like what if he was picked up and molested or something like that? Like you kind of judge someone because of the things they do, but people don't often think of why they do what they do. Sometimes people are just cunts, so like rudics, whatever you, but like they'll be jerks and they're just a jerk for jerk's sake. But um a lot of times, like if you show like a small amount of empathy, like I think that's what Saru did at the very end. It was just like he was like apologizing to what he said at dinner. I think he kind of came to terms with like understanding that. And there's probably no perfect way to do it too, because you mean a lot of people that have family members that like um self-harm with like drugs. I mean, there's not like there's not like a magic pill you can give them that just makes them like normal, air quotes. But yeah, I think he didn't like him Mantosh. Yeah. Didn't like Mantosh because the the stress that it was giving his mom and he loved his mom. Both moms. But the that desire to like I don't know, protect his mom actually ended up hurting him, which is kind of interesting.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Hurting her?

SPEAKER_08 21:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Yeah. Yeah, because uh at the dinner when he goes off on him and he tells his mom's like, I hate what he's been doing to you, so he just walks off like Yeah, you're not don't do why yourself there, buddy. Yeah. So yeah, it's kind of a similarity because like we see Mantos like acting like that kid at the orphanage did when he was smacking his head on the wall. Then they come later and take him to do the things with him at night. So he was probably like abused when he was a kid down there.

SPEAKER_08 22:19

Yeah, exactly. So it's kind of hard to be like, why didn't he just like why it's like the fucking Baba Duck? Like, why can't you just be normal? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

Well that kid well that kid that kid had no reason to be that crazy. Yeah, well, that's fair. So his dad died when he was giving birth, but yeah. Still not screaming in the back of the car and kicking. Yeah, true. That was the worst kid ever. It really was, too. Alright. So 20 years later, Ceru moves to Melbourne to study and begins a relationship with an American woman named Lucy. What did you think of them as a couple?

SPEAKER_08 22:56

Pretty normal. I thought it was like a good, like it would the movie didn't really go too crazy into it, but it was like definitely like strong enough to be like when he's like starting to like fall into himself, like self-destruct, I guess. And like you can see like that hurts her. Like you feel something there. There's not nearly like the same kind of like emotional connection to the other characters in the movie. But like it was strong enough. I thought like, and like that patient love, like that was a good example of that where she was just like like constantly like trying to help, but like it's almost like it's almost like a life raft that you have to throw to people, and then like you can't make them grab it, you just have to be patient enough to wait for them to grab it and just hope they grab it. Yeah, but that's where like when he finally connects the dots and comes back and says, Wait for me, it's like okay, yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Yeah, basically, like this is the true story movie, and most of it's actually really accurate except for her. Like, she's basically a conglomerate of different girlfriends he had, like just all combined in one, which kind of makes sense because like he breaks up with her and then gets together with her again later, and stuff like yeah, you tell was like you know, one girlfriend, another girlfriend, another girlfriend. Yeah, but just one. It's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 24:16

That was always like, okay, they're cool, he's happy, and that's good. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't ever like I don't know, it wasn't ever like a focus to me. No, it's just kind of like almost it treated it when I was watching it, it felt more like a highlight of his self-destruction than it was of anything about Lucy.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Mm-hmm. So he's become more obsessed with the uh finding his home. Yeah. Well, he finally gets into that because he recognizes a dish at a party, and up until that point, it didn't seem he talked like you know, he's from Calcutta, he was adopted. But then after he saw this, he's dish, he's like, I'm not from Calcutta, I don't know where I'm at, I'm lost. Yeah. When he said I'm lost, I'm like, oh damn. Yeah. Like he doesn't say, I was lost, like, I'm lost. I'm like, Yeah, whew. I still like damn dude. But um, so do you think this food like jogged his memory, or did he always know where he came from? Like he seemed kind of content with his life up to that one point we saw the food there. Yeah, it's almost like PTSD.

SPEAKER_08 25:18

Like you never like I mean, I don't have PTSD, so let me speak on my ass for a second. You never like don't have it, you know what I mean? Like you always carry those things with you. I think his memories he always carried with him, but it's easy to like compartmentalize. It's like I mean it's natural for you to do like when you go through like a traumatic experience, whatever it is, your body, like the only way you can survive in the wild is for you to be like, okay, am I gonna sit awake 20 hours a day and just think about this every single day, or am I going to like put it in a black little box, put it in the back of my head, and then go on living and eat and drink and all this other stuff? But but yeah, I think he probably intentionally is well compartmentalized all of that, and that's probably why when he has his self-destruct moment and he's talking about like the life of luxury, it like makes him sick. I think it's because like he always had that in the back of his head, and the luxury sure makes him sick, but the fact that he was like suppressing it probably wasn't helping him too much either.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

They do say like you know, a trigger object, they call it where you see something like, oh my god, I remember this now, like memory unlocked, yeah, achievement unlocked or whatever they call it now.

SPEAKER_08 26:34

Yeah, the Xbox icon pops up in the bot top right.

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Yeah, I'm always so surprised too with this movie how he remembered so much at five years old, because what do you remember at five years old?

SPEAKER_08 26:45

Yeah, I don't even remember what I did earlier today, but I got paid for it. So like uh yeah, like it I always like like the the memes where it's like the flashbang goes off and it's like me gaining consciousness at like six years old or whatever it is, because it's just like I genuinely do not remember shit. But I'm sure if I saw like a picture of myself doing something, my brain would go, Oh yeah, remember that thing, bananas and pajamas? And I would go, Oh yeah, okay, sure. Yep. But yeah, like me, nothing.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

No, if you're if you're in history, you'd be like, Well, I'm somewhere in India, I don't know where.

SPEAKER_08 27:25

Yeah, I could do the math part, I would figure out the train, but like everything else, like the whole like like him closing his eyes and like trying to reimagine it. Yeah, I'd try to do that with my keys and I'm fucking lost for two hours.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

So Yeah. It's like insane. So his friends suggest that he used to find his hometown, uh, which is equivalent of finding a needle in a world of haystacks. He becomes obsessed with it, fearing his family is in pain, not knowing what happened to him, and isolates himself from Lucy and his adopted parents. So, I mean, kind of know the answer to this, but do you think this was healthy for him? And why do you think he didn't tell his adopted family what he was doing?

SPEAKER_08 28:02

Yeah, no, it wasn't healthy. No. But uh it's one of those things that like I don't know. I guess obsession is probably a good callback to this. Where like instead of just communicating in a healthy manner, like how you feel and what your hope is, you're so concerned about what that does to other people that it actually ends up like fucking the situation up even more. And I think that's what that was. He just like was so protective of his mom, like even with his brother, adopted brother, whatever, but uh he was like, Oh, I know what's good for her, so I'll do this thing. And it's like, dude, like you could have probably but who knows? Because technically, who knows? Maybe like all of the grief and stuff he was going through while looking, maybe that helped him find his real mom. Yeah. So I don't know.

unknown 28:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

It's kind of a thing with the adopted kids where they feel like if they go search for their real parents, it would somehow like hurt the adopted parents.

SPEAKER_08 29:03

Yeah. I think it also depends too, because like he knows it wasn't like uh, oh my mom was a drunk and my dad's a crackhead, and like they I got adopted by the system. Like there's like a there's like there's I think that's a different scenario versus like, oh, I was lost and my I know my mom and my brother were looking for me, kind of thing. So like I can understand in some situations of being like you don't want like your father's in jail, your mother's dead, like don't like the memory of your parents is probably better than what they are now, so I'd prefer you not to know those things. But and again, I say that after I just said that like it's better to talk to things, so so like I could understand like some people not wanting it, but I think in his situation, I think a hundred percent she would have been like immediately like a hundred percent like let's find your mom.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Yeah. Well even Lucy's like, let me help, and you never let her help her.

SPEAKER_08 30:02

Yeah, and she even Lucy was saying like you underestimate your mom. Yeah, like saying like how much like she loves you.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

So and it is interesting though, well, now I mean this was 2016 when it came out. I don't think that meme was out yet, but now I was thinking about that meme of uh Sunday in Philadelphia when he has like all the strings and stuff, strings and stuff. I was like, Well, that's right in that scene just with a whole wall of connection, like, yeah. But yeah, speaking of his mother, uh, she like he isolates himself from her and he hears she's not doing so well, so he goes to visit her to apologize, and um, she reveals like he thought she was infertile, that's why she adopted the two kids and never had kids of her own. But she tells him that no, it was our choice not to have kids because we live in a world where there's so many kids that are hurting. Yeah, we need to help them instead of like you know, selfishly producing one of our own, and then talks about her vision of how when she was 12 her father was like abusive, and then she had the vision of the brown kid there, which is basically Ciro, and coming to her, and just that whole scene with no Nicole Kidman was just focused on her, like that scene was a amazing.

SPEAKER_08 31:10

Oh, yeah, she's like staring off into space for a minute.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

I was yeah, and then he was crying. I'm like, that's the first time I was like tearing up too.

SPEAKER_08 31:18

Like, yeah, I was like, There's a couple that was a good moment. I was like choking up. I was like, fuck.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

Yeah. So then, like we said earlier, like he goes home and he just gives up on the whole thing. He's just clicking on Google Earth randomly and finds the rock uh formation that uh strikes his memory. So, I mean, it's kind of like what Mark Twain said, the truth is stranger than fiction. Where if this was like a fictionalist movie, okay, yeah, I could buy that. But this happened, like this is insane.

SPEAKER_08 31:48

Yeah. Well, I think even more than that, like if it was like fiction and it was made up, my I'd be like, oh, okay, sure, of course he finds it at the last moment, you know, like those like little like like plot hole kind of things where you're like, oh, of course, like she's shuffling through the bin and finds the car key at the last second and then gets in the car and gets away. But the fact that it's real life, you're like, shit, dude, life is weird.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

Yeah, yeah, it's insane. I remember when I first heard about the movie, I'm like, this can't be real. I looked up, like, holy shit.

SPEAKER_08 32:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Like, talk about like like I said earlier, like resilience and human spirit. Like, he's like, I'm not giving up.

SPEAKER_08 32:32

Yeah, that's a crazy, like and even uh Nicole Kidman's character was saying, like, like that energy, if he put it, put it to something, like it was unstoppable. I just felt like that was his his energy.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

Yeah. And it worked out, yeah. So he goes to uh the town with his Ganesh Tali, which he was calling can we say Ganatoly or something? Gamatoly or something, yeah. Pronouncing it wrong, I have no idea how to pronounce it either. But uh he finds his biological mother and sister. So, what'd you think about that reunion with them?

SPEAKER_08 33:06

I thought the scene was beautiful, like the whole like like crying, holding each other, kissing each other. I was just like it like felt so real. It was like incredible. And uh to know that there wasn't any extras, it was just all the homies in the town, and they're like, all right, and three, two, one cheer. And like, what? Like, yeah, just the and I even thought too, like when he was flying in there, I was like, he doesn't know Hindi. How the fuck, like, why wouldn't you fly with a translator? But he literally just and that's another crazy thing, he flies into the middle of nowhere India, not flies into there, but flies in there and then gets to his hometown in the middle of nowhere, India, and then he like finds his house is being used for goats, goat farm, yeah. And then a guy shows up and he goes, Hello, like you start trying to speak English to this random lady, and then another guy walks up and goes, Come on. I was like, What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 34:02

All right, how lucky are you? Yeah, yeah, it was insane. I was so depressed when they got to the house and he saw the goats, and he was like, once a while, like, oh come on, like he didn't like it, he found home, but it's not there anymore. Oh come on, yeah. Again, I knew the story, and then I was like, Oh, come on, you know, this can't happen. Like, that's right, come on.

SPEAKER_08 34:20

The movie sucks you in so hard though, like as you're watching it, it genuinely feels like you're there. Yeah, like the way it's shot is so incredibly well done. It's like it's like when you're watching like stop motion or something like that, or like claymation, and you're like watching it, and you're like, at first it doesn't feel real, and then you get sucked into it, and it almost becomes like a new reel. This movie I was like from like I don't know, minute two, I was just sucked into it.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

Yeah, crazy. And then in the end, we learned that Gadoo had been hit by a train the same night Saru fell asleep. Um essentially, his mother lost both her boys in one night, but she spent the last 25 years living in the same town in hopes that Saru would return. What'd you think about that whole part?

SPEAKER_08 35:10

Yeah, it's another crazy thing. But to be fair, like I think there's a lot of moms that would do stuff like that. Like, it's like okay, Gadoo's dead, but Saru's not, so I'm going to sit here and wait until he comes home. And she probably would have died, like the friggin' futurama episode where the dog's waiting. Oh god, yeah. Yeah, like she probably would have been like waiting in the snow and everything and then die waiting for Saru, but like it really is like a testament to like a mother's love.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

And her loss.

SPEAKER_08 35:44

Yeah, also true.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

Like that was insane. So then uh the movie ends. We discover the Suru who had been been mispronouncing not just his hometown, but his name the whole time. His name is Sheru, which means lion, which is the title of the movie. So this has proved the power of a name. And what did you think about it?

SPEAKER_08 36:03

Yeah, I thought that was cool. I mean, I I mean, again, like the movie is like it kind of like wrote itself, like, but literally, but uh like finding out that his name is Lion. It's like it's like you it's like you couldn't write a better movie. And it's real life, so it's like crazy, but yeah, like giving like I don't know though, I know a couple dudes named like Leonidas and they're like fucking dorks, so but I think there is something too like I don't know, an individual spirit.

SPEAKER_02 36:43

Do you know what your name means? Do you know what your name means?

SPEAKER_08 36:47

Tyler.

SPEAKER_02 36:48

I'm assuming I just made tiles. I don't know. That would be my assumption.

SPEAKER_08 36:53

I don't actually know.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Oh no, my name means he shall add wisdom. He had what? He shall add wisdom. He shall add wisdom.

SPEAKER_08 37:02

See, that's what's dope about like those old names like Joseph and uh Matthew and like all these like old like what are they they would be Semitic, but they would technically be what Hebrew? Biblical names? Yeah, like Hebrew. Not Aramaic necessarily, but Hebrew, I think.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

Arabic. Yeah. Aramaic, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 37:22

And like, or even not just on that point, like I talked to some people at work, and it's like, oh, my name is like has this meaning to it. And I'm like, dude, I'm pretty sure my mom like spun a wheel. Pretty sure my name was supposed to be Alan. Oh. And then I think, I don't know, this is maybe a false memory, but I remember my dad wanted to name me Alan, and then one of my dad's friends had a boy and named him Alan. And then my mom was like, okay, well, we can't name him Alan now. And then I think I was supposed to be Justin, and then they landed on Tyler. Hmm. But I to be fair, I know a lot of dickheads named Tyler too. So I might be one of them. But the like I think there's it's really cool how different cultures like put energy into the name.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

Did you know your name meant did you know that your name did mean Tyler maker, tile maker?

SPEAKER_08 38:13

No, I just guessed.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

I literally just looked it up. It's like the name Tyler is in English origin, it primarily means tile maker or roof worker.

SPEAKER_08 38:20

That's funny because my dad did the roof, dead roofing. Oh, but yeah, that that makes sense. So it doesn't really fit you, though. You don't really work on roofs. No, no, I'm just at dork. I don't know if there's a name that represents that aura, but Chad. Chad. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

I know a lot doofus is named Chad. I do. Chad's like the worst. It's like Chad and Karen. Like you never name your kids out anymore.

SPEAKER_08 38:43

Yeah, that's a rough one. Yeah, I feel like we gotta get back to that like energy. You know what I mean? Like we come up with these like crazy, wild names that are just like consonants and syllables and vowels in there sometimes, but like we gotta get back to these like fucking energy names.

SPEAKER_03 39:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 39:02

Yeah, I like lion. That's a pretty dope name. Yeah. Imagine just naming your son like Lion. Like what?

SPEAKER_02 39:09

My old youth pastor, he named his son Leonidas.

SPEAKER_08 39:12

Yeah. Yeah, they're really. I don't I think you're just dooming your son. Yeah. I could be wrong. I don't know. Maybe there's some dope Leos out there.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

Leonardo. Leonardo, yeah, exactly. Or Da Vinci or DiCaprio.

SPEAKER_08 39:26

Yeah, that's really what you're going after. Like you have the option of Leonidas or Leonardo. I'd go Leonardo, but then it's like, I don't know. Like, I feel like that's pretty Italian.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

It's very Italian. Yeah. It's so Italian.

SPEAKER_08 39:39

So if you're not Italian, then it's kind of like you just like the name. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

Names are weird, but his name is dope. Yes. So then in the end, we get the video of the real Ciru and the real Mrs. Bray Brilli going back to India where she meets his biological mother for the first time, which was actually shot during a 60 Minutes special that the director's actually there to film. So what'd you think about that scene?

SPEAKER_08 40:00

That was dope. That was. I love the I love the real footage aspect of it. It becomes like a like it really like the movie feels real, and then you see something real and it doesn't even feel real. That's how real the movie was. Yeah. Like ridiculous how phenomenal the movie is in that regard.

SPEAKER_02 40:22

It's crazy. So again, we learned that Gandu died the same night. So if nothing else happened, uh Suru would have been stranded at the at the train station with no idea of how to get home. Since he was too young to properly pronounce his name or hometown, no one would have had any idea where he lived. Do you think it was almost a miracle that he boarded that train and he eventually found a loving family and friends despite the turmoil that he went through?

SPEAKER_08 40:47

Yeah, I think any I think it's very often that people say like look at all these bad things that happen. But I think because we're pattern seeking, we look out for the bad things a lot of times. So that way we don't repeat them. And when you hear like a good story, it just like is like a feel-good for the moment thing. But if you really like sit there and like digest it, you kind of think about like holy shit, like that really like is kind of like if anything would have went differently, I don't think it ends the same. Like if the it's like a beater car that's like full the wheels are about to fall off, and you're just kind of like white knuckling the steering wheel, and you're like, Alright, ten more miles, and we'll we'll we'll call it quits. That's what his whole story felt like. Just even when he was safe, he wasn't really like whole. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

So yeah, you know, if he didn't wake up, if he didn't board the train, if he didn't meet that girl that's gonna try to so sell him a sex slavery and ran off, if he didn't get that spoon to imitate the guy in the diner sipping soup, if he if the guy didn't come out to take him to the police, to give him an orphanage, if you know, all this stuff like so many things like happen that just one of those things gets taken away and then it all. Yeah. It's so weird to think about life like that.

SPEAKER_08 42:17

Yeah, you we you when you live it, you don't really have a moment to like think about any of it, like even just even just our own lives, not saying that guy's story is crazy, so I'm not gonna compare what I went through to him, but like I start thinking about some of the things that have happened in my life, and I think about all the times I'm in the moment, and I'm like, why me? Why would why would does the universe have to unfold and I'm in this moment now? But then I think about it, I'm like, dude, you're a giant pussy, dude. Like, think about all the good things that you've come across from what you've done and failed at or succeeded at. I feel like everyone's life is kind of like that in a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

Yep. Well, think about me too, kind of like not to that extent, but there was about I think 10 years ago or so I moved to Maryland with some friends to do something down there, and I just didn't feel like it was right. It's like five days later, moved back home. But I think like, you know, if I had stuck it out down there, like I wouldn't be here. We I wouldn't have known you, never done this podcast, wouldn't have any of this. Like just one decision, like how it just alters everything.

SPEAKER_08 43:22

Yeah, same. I mean, something like that. Like, I think of it kind of like these, like uh what do they call it in uh Spider-Man, the the multiverse, the like the canon events or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yep. I I was supposed to move, Courtney and I were supposed to move to North Carolina, like it probably would have been like seven years ago now. And like we had it all planned out. Um our buddies had bought a house and we were gonna live in their living room for like a month until we found an apartment, and then we're gonna live down there, and then like three weeks before. We're supposed to go down, Courtney breaks on crying, and she's like, I don't want to go. And I was just like, Alright, well then this is life now, so we're here. So, but like to think of like what if she didn't? What if what if she bottled all that up and then we went down there and then she resented me? And like all these like what if scenarios you play out in your head and you're like, What if Cherud didn't pretend he was eating soup? You know what I mean? Like there's all these like what if things.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, just so weird, weird to think about.

SPEAKER_08 44:28

Yeah, exactly. I love the movie for that aspect alone, just like making you think about those things.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

Kind of like predestination.

SPEAKER_08 44:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And now I can't look at a log truck the same.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

No, no. So okay, so India had one point has 1.4 billion people. 1.4 billion? Yeah, 1.4 billion. So um, considering that his reunion is nothing short of a miracle, would you have had the same tenacity to tenacity to search for your missing home and family as he did?

SPEAKER_08 44:57

Fuck no. If I can't tie if I'm like having a rough day and I can't tie my shoe, I'll just leave it untied. I'll be like, all right, well, this is my life now. There, I I love hearing about this story is like the free solo guy, like all these like people that do crazy shit and they just like and it's all like a mental game. Because like it's one thing if like someone's like a freak of nature, someone's just born with talents that like put them in a situation that no one else could possibly have been in. But I love those stories of like it's literally just not giving up because it makes me not want to give up as much.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

Yeah. That's a song at the end from Sia. It's called Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that song. It's a banger. It is good. So, what do you think about the relationships the film taught us on about brotherly bonds? So, like Gadoo and um Saru, where Saru's the younger one, and Gadoo is the younger, I mean the older, but then with Saru and um Mantosh. Mantosh, I think, was younger, but he looked older. Yeah. Because all the shit he went through. Probably. But like how um Gadoo was very uh affectionate and caring towards uh Saru, but then Saru kind of wasn't the same towards Mantosh until the end. So we just think about those contrasting relationships.

SPEAKER_08 46:19

Yeah, I think there's like a weird thing that some people are just really good at it. Like, I don't know. I don't think about that that much. I had two younger brothers, and I don't even think about like because you're a kid, you don't think about these things. I think also your situation kind of dictates how you act as well. I think Gadoo is kind of like there's this like I don't want to say like evolutionary psychology, but he's like surviving, and he's like, Okay, I have to survive, get milk from my mom, from my brother, for my sister. You like there's like this like um maturity to him at such a young age where like I don't think Saru had to like go through any of that. So he had to take the long road to maturity, and I mean he eventually got there, but like there's this whole like like uh feast famine mentality between how one older brother versus the other but and also the one was uh biological brother and one was familial. That's also true. That's also true. That's why like I always have a lot of like um respect, I guess is the word for people that can like adopt children or like not even adopt children, but like if they go into like now it's more common with like marriages where like the spouse already has children. I respect when like I don't think it's ever the same. I think it can be very close, but I think there's always like if no father wants to say it, but like if you had like two kids and one was yours and one wasn't, you always go for your child. But like there's all there that doesn't mean you don't love that child, and sometimes you can like I think for Saru, like obviously like Gadoo was his brother and he loved him because I mean that's a fond memory he had of him, but like I think he still loved like Mantosh. I think he still loved he definitely loved him, but I think he loved his mother more. So the relationship he had with his brother was through his mother, yeah. So it wasn't really like a brother-to-brother relationship, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:45

Cause he said like we went to visit him, he's like, we know okay, pay for like pay for your bills or something like that too. He's like, I'll pay for your like we need money for yeah, so so he was caring, but then also in like um so he was like, He's your brother. See, he's like, he's not my brother. I'm like, hmm.

SPEAKER_08 49:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:03

So I think like like he said too that the blood bonds are still gonna be stronger than like the other family, like the non-blood family still, but they're still there.

SPEAKER_08 49:14

Yeah, I mean, even to the point where he's talking about like he found his biological mother, and he's like, You're still my mom and my dad kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 49:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 49:22

I think there's definitely that. But like again, like if you were to like sit him down and like, okay, now now do you feel the same way about your adoptive mother as you do your biological mother? Like, no. Now are they does that mean you love one more than the other? It doesn't necessarily mean that, but it means like it's a different type of love. I think that's what he had with Mantosh.

SPEAKER_02 49:43

Yeah, I agree. So as depicted in the movie, uh, when grown-up Saru returns home, his mother immediately knew who he was. In real life, his mother, surrounded by townspeople, stepped forward and reached out knowingly without even having to say it like without him saying, you know, mom. So this is point to the type on that sons have with their mothers, kind of like we talked about earlier, that she recognized him 25 years later, all grown up and still she knew who he was without saying a word.

SPEAKER_08 50:11

Yeah, for sure. I I mean honestly, that's oh, I guess what? That's a little longer. That'd be like 30. Oh no, that'd be like 30 years. If you're to like show a picture of me at five years old versus now, which would technically be 25 years, and some change. We'll take a few off just to make ourselves feel better, but yeah. Like that base look is still there, but obviously I'm bald now, but like that base look is still there, but like I think I mean I don't know, but like I think when mothers look at their like fully grown adult children, they don't see their fully grown adult children. I think they still see that thing in the back of their head of like, oh, that's my that's why like moms will always be like, it's my baby, and it's like mom, I'm bald, like it I'm not a baby anymore, but like that's just kind of how their brains work. Yeah, so I think there is something there to your point, like that familial, like mother, father, mother, father, mother, son kind of dynamic.

SPEAKER_02 51:14

It's interesting. Like, I'm close to my mom and dad. We all know, yeah. We dad's like, oh, cool, yeah. Whatever. So for me, get back to this movie. Me and my friend Paul, we saw it in the theater because it was during like you know, the Oscar time, so like oh, it's nominated. We we watched all the movies nominated, so didn't really know much about it, knew like the basic premise, and I was like, how's this even possible? So, like, we were both so into the movie, like kind of like how you said you just get so sucked in, like the end, like when he sucked in his mom, and like he was asking for his brother. I was like, Yeah, where is he? And he says, No, like I started like my tears started coming in. Yeah, and then I was thinking, like, oh, maybe he died, you know, like years later or something, like that same like the the script was like, he died that same night. I'm like, oh my god, and just um then the end with the video of them together, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 52:07

That fucking hit.

SPEAKER_02 52:07

Like the whole that whole the all those scenes, and then the movie ends, and we're sitting there, and like the credits are going, the music's going, we're still sitting there, just not saying a word. Like the lights come on the theater, we get up, we walk out, we don't say a word. The whole time just leaving the theater. Like as soon as we walked outside, we're like, Oh my god, I wasn't like I could not talk because I was crying. Yeah, it's like, oh my god, I was balling. Like, oh it was just so weird because it's not something that we could connect to. Like, we never went through that. Like, we weren't a kid in India Lost, but then it's like you said, how they filmed it, like it's very like the camera movement and everything kind of like lower, so you get through his point of view, and just like everything about it was just so well done, and then just the emotionality to it and oh, the acting, the dialogue, it's yeah, yeah, package. Yeah, that's like one of those movies that I wish I could see again for the first time because it affected me so much. Yeah, when I saw it. It's like my top ten of all time just because of that, just the connection to it.

SPEAKER_08 53:11

The wow factor.

SPEAKER_02 53:12

Yeah, the subtle wow factor, like it's not like a big movie, like it's not like grandiose.

SPEAKER_08 53:17

Yeah, it's not endgame. Yeah, yeah, but it's like it's got that like that's what like when you were asking me at the very beginning when we first started talking, like, what'd you think about it? I couldn't even come up with words. I was like, good, like I was just like trying to like now that like the adrenaline's kind of left my body, I can kind of think about it a little more analytically, but like still it's an incredibly emotional movie, yeah. So it's like how do you quantify emotions? That's like the hardest thing to ever do.

SPEAKER_02 53:44

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're just so because we're both big movie people. Like we've seen so many movies, and I was like, God damn.

SPEAKER_08 53:51

Yeah. Oh, dude, like the the whole like, oh my, like that whole like where is home thing, like it just like it's so good. It's so good. And the movie does such a good job of kind of like cat and mousing you of never like like you really don't know what he thinks. Yeah, you're kind of like but I think he doesn't know what he thinks, yeah. So like the movie like plays it out really well where like it doesn't really give you anything in terms of like like you think like okay, is he gonna come home or is that his home? What is home? Like that whole I mean it's been done a million times, but like I think the way it was done here was like so incredibly unique and like well done and so emotional, it's like crazy.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

Yeah, like I said too, I was just so into it. Like at the last scene in the last tale car was like, you know, he was mispronouncing his name, his name is Shiru, which means and then the lion. I was like, I literally was like, Yeah, I was like, oh my god, that's why they called the movie Oh my god.

SPEAKER_08 54:52

Yeah, I would I when I saw that, even I was just like, fuck, no way. Like the movie was so unbelievable the whole time. That was the one where I was like, really? I was like, damn, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 55:04

Yeah, just in I guess it just blew me away, blew Paul away with like, oh my god. And then we watched the Oscars and they didn't win anything like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_08 55:12

Yeah, I can imagine. Even after just watching it with you, like there was for a second there where I had to like, I was like, all right, don't say anything for a second. All right, process it. Okay, now yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

I was still crying, like we were watching it today. I watched it yesterday again to do this, and I was crying to them crying like every like most people say don't cry, like maybe once every time, like, why am I still tearing up?

SPEAKER_08 55:33

Yeah, yeah, just like I don't know, like it's so hard not to. It's like you're kind of like being drugged down with it. Yeah. They have no, it's like I don't know. It's like the whole like uh what do the numbers mean, Mason, where like your eyes are peeled open and you have to watch it. Oh yeah. It's like your heart is peeled open and you have to feel it every time. Yep. It's insane.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Well, let's see uh what you remember from this movie. It's time for first time jitters. Five questions. See we get right. What are Gadoo and Saru stealing at the beginning of the movie? Cole.

unknown 56:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_08 56:06

I was really afraid I wasn't gonna get a single one because I was like not even paying attention to the movie. I was just feeling it. Right. Uh what is Saru's sister's name? Sh oh fuck. I don't mean to mispronounce it, but it's like Shaquille.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

Okay, yeah. Shaquila. Shaquila. Good night. Was it Shaquila? Shaquila, yeah. Okay, that's what I was kind of thinking. It's it you're good for that one. What is the name of the accomplice for the the girl's accomplice when uh was gonna sell him to slavery?

SPEAKER_08 56:32

Oh, good one. Good question. Fuck. I think I remember Amanita, the little girl in the orphanage. I think it was a girl.

SPEAKER_05 56:46

Um fuck.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

Also the name of a god. Because he's like, no, I'm not the god.

SPEAKER_08 56:55

Are you talking about the girl or the guy?

SPEAKER_02 56:57

The guy.

SPEAKER_08 56:58

Oh, Rama.

SPEAKER_02 56:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_08 56:59

Yeah, the girl I cannot remember. Nor. Noor.

SPEAKER_02 57:02

And O-O-R. Nor. Nor.

SPEAKER_08 57:04

Yeah, I remember Rama, but I don't remember Nor. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:07

So you got three, right? What did the boys get for the coal they stole?

unknown 57:11

Milk.

SPEAKER_02 57:12

How many? Two bags.

SPEAKER_06 57:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 57:15

Four. And then finally, what does Saru major in in college? Oh, it's like hospitality management. Yep. Hotel management. There you go. You got five.

SPEAKER_08 57:25

That was all I literally felt like Saru there. I was like, just you would say things, and I'm like, my brain starts flashing images in my head.

SPEAKER_02 57:34

Well, you got it. Alright, rotten tomatoes. Critics choice of a critic's score of a hundred. Ninety-three? Eighty-four. What? A lot of them they said it was too sentimental. It was too like heavy-handed. It was too much of fucking dorks. Yeah, basically. Uh audience?

SPEAKER_08 57:56

93?

SPEAKER_02 57:57

91. Damn. See, that's better. Yeah, better. What would you rate it?

SPEAKER_08 58:02

Fuck. There's not very moon movies that can make me feel, so that has wow factor. I'd say like 97.

unknown 58:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:13

So this is my top 10, it's a hundred.

SPEAKER_08 58:15

Hundred. Yeah, all my top tens are hundreds. Oh. That makes sense. Yeah. There's probably not too many uh hundreds up there.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

There's not. There's some 99 to stuff, but that like I can't find one. I've seen this movie like why, like, seven or eight times. Like I guess I've cried every time. Yeah. I can't see any flaws in it.

SPEAKER_08 58:30

Like I'm watching, like now, it is like so incredibly well done. Like you said, like I the second you said like the low shot of him running, I keep like the camera drops back, and it's just little him running. And I'm just like, the movie is so like vivid, like in terms of like imagery.

SPEAKER_02 58:49

It's like even the opening when like young Saru's there with the butterflies or whatever.

SPEAKER_08 58:53

Yeah, what a crazy ass opening. I was like, what the fuck are we doing here?

SPEAKER_02 58:57

Oh, speaking of too Young Saru, like that Sunny Pi War, he was that was like his first movie, and he was just incredible.

SPEAKER_08 59:04

Yeah, what a fucking like yeah, I was like, you were literally like I don't know how you can be that young and be like that incredibly talented.

SPEAKER_03 59:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

Crazy. Alright, so um redo the movie, it's all Muppets and one's human. Which one's the human? It's hard to think about.

SPEAKER_08 59:35

I don't know. I think Saru would be human.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

Which one? Adult Suru. I picked young Suru.

SPEAKER_08 59:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:45

Just because I feel like most of the movie is focused on him. True. So and just how well he did was just amazing by then.

SPEAKER_08 59:54

I'm just thinking about him embracing his mother. I don't know what what Muppet his mother would be.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:01

Like you said, we never think about any more female Muppets from this piggy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:05

I feel like that's insulting to his mom.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:07

Yeah. Yeah. That's what they didn't make it. Yep. Alright, well, uh, that's all we have time for today. Thank you, Tyler, for getting your favorite cinema cherry popped with Lion. Any final words before we go?

SPEAKER_08 1:00:17

No, that was amazing. I hope if you've watched it. Hopefully you watched it because there's a lot of spoilers in there. Uh I hope you enjoyed it too. Because that was like so incredibly emotional. It was bananas.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:27

Oh, yeah. Definitely. Watch it with a with a with a heart open instead of uh I'm just gonna relax and watch this movie. Go into like, yeah, this is gonna be uh a deep one.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:38

Yeah, that's not a Friday night watch you scroll on your phone movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:43

You know, it's like group party, we're gonna watch the lion. No, yeah, not a good idea, not a good idea. All right, thank you all for listening. Until next time, remember, stay fresh.