Moving Beyond Binaries in Education - A Conversation with Tim Logan
This bonus episode features a conversation with Tim Logan from his podcast The Future Learning Design. In this episode, Tim and Andrea are discussing advancements and challenges in education. They explore themes such as the limitations of traditional education frameworks, the emerging insights from 4E cognitive science, and the importance of embodied, relational and ecological approaches to cognition. They also discuss the disorienting yet exciting potential of understanding education as a living, dynamic process. Through it all, the conversation emphasizes the importance of love, attention, and awareness in reshaping educational paradigms. Check out Tim Logan's work with Good Impact Labs and connect with him on LinkedIn.
00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview
01:49 Starting the Podcast Episode
02:43 Exploring Cognitive Science
05:16 The Role of Education
08:52 Challenges in Education Systems
13:19 The Future of Learning and Technology
22:38 Navigating Educational Metrics
30:54 Exploring the Teacher-Student Dynamic
32:13 Implicit vs Explicit Learning
35:33 The Importance of Context in Education
36:32 The Third Entity in Education
40:56 Sensing and Cognition
48:49 The Relational Process of Educating
53:47 Concluding Thoughts on Education and Love
Tim Logan is an education leader, connector and facilitator. Tim moves projects from innovative learning design to effectively executing ideas on the ground, swiftly. Bringing his extensive learnings and insights from a global career in youth work, teaching, school leadership and consultancy, Tim has worked with prominent clients around the world to develop new and innovative approaches to learning, well-being and youth engagement. He has most recently worked with International Baccalaureate, Nordic Bildung and Nora Bateson’s team at International Bateson Institute. Tim is also host/producer of the Future Learning Design podcast.
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Navigating the Depths of Voice, Authenticity, and Love with Tim Adalin
In this episode of 'Love and Philosophy,' philosopher host Andrea Hiott engages in a profound conversation with Tim Adalin, founder of the Voicecraft Project in Australia and a philosopher and facilitator of philosophical events. They explore various themes such as the importance of voice, the distinction between holding and sharing space, and the challenges of maintaining authenticity in today's complex social landscapes. The discussion also delves into the nuanced dynamics of relationships, the transformative power of silence and presence, and the impact of technology on communication. Through personal anecdotes and philosophical insights, Tim and Andrea highlight the necessity of genuine connection and the cultivation of trust in relational contexts.
00:00 The Essence of Voice and Presence
00:58 The Generativity of Relationships
05:23 Introduction to Love and Philosophy
06:44 Thought Collectives and Communicative Patterns
09:29 Voice Craft and Authentic Expression
10:36 Holding and Sharing Space
24:42 Navigating Modern Contexts and Leadership
56:24 The Role of Masks and Maps in Expression
01:08:16 Introduction to the Magic Flight Light Box
01:08:36 Openness to Potentiality and Relationship
01:10:35 Skepticism in Love and Leadership
01:14:23 Navigating Digital Communication and Integrity
01:25:49 The Role of Language and Technology
02:08:26 The Importance of Silence and Presence
02:20:08 Closing Thoughts and Gratitude
02:22:05 Final Poem: Of Many Worlds in this World
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 Decoding the Brain: Representation and Relational Memory in Cognitive Neuroscience
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This episode of 'Love and Philosophy Beyond Dichotomy,' hosted by Andrea Hiott, features a deep dive with Lynn Nadel into the complexities of representation in the brain. The discussion explores how thoughts and memories are formed and represented, beginning with a child's understanding and extending to advanced theories in neuroscience. Central themes include population coding, the relational nature of brain functions, and the embodied cognition approach. They also touch on historical perspectives from key figures like Tolman and Eichenbaum, the idea of cognitive maps in the hippocampus, and the role of pre-wiring and experience in shaping brain functions. The episode highlights ongoing debates and innovations in understanding cognitive processes and how the brain models reality.
Full conversations (1-5) with Andrea and Lynn
00:00 Introduction to Thought and Representation
01:48 Exploring the Concept of Representation
04:07 The Hippocampus and Cognitive Mapping
08:50 The Mind-Body Problem and Cognitive Neuroscience
29:30 Topographic Maps and Brain Representation
32:21 Understanding the Somatic Brain
32:50 Face Systems and Brain Localization
33:26 Sensory and Motor Systems
34:21 Mapping the Brain and Body Connection
35:01 Historical Insights: Penfield and Milner
35:50 Topographic Maps and Computational Advantages
38:11 Hippocampus and Non-Topographical Maps
39:44 Representation and Meaning in the Brain
48:20 Associative Learning and Memory
01:00:31 Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions
Lynn is in Trondheim during this discussion attending the Kavli Prize week. This is the third conversation with Andrea and Lynn.
Exploring the Cognitive Neuroscience of Representation: Past, Present, and Future
#representation #lynnnadel #neuroscience #hippocampus #representationdebate
A Research Discussion with Lynn Nadel, part Three. 
In this (talk three) Andrea & Lynn discuss how we have thoughts and memories and what this means a la representation.
First talk
Second talk
Radical paper from Andrea
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Exploring Life's Paradoxes
In this deeply reflective episode of 'Love and Philosophy,' philosopher host Andrea Hiott converses with Parker Palmer, the founder of the Center for Courage and Renewal, about the profound truths of life. They discuss the struggles of depression, the essence of living a life of paradox, and the significance of integrating soul with role. Palmer also shares transformative insights on the nature of love, community, and solitude, and reads a poignant poem that captures the essence of enduring life's hardships. Join us for a heartfelt conversation that explores the complexities and mysteries of human existence.
00:00 Understanding the Depths of Depression
02:54 Introduction to Love and Philosophy
08:48 Parker Palmer's Inspirational Journey
13:46 The Concept of Paradox in Life
19:20 The Role of Gratitude and Privilege
22:51 Exploring the Connection to Nature
26:52 The Power of Poetry and Paradox
40:00 Navigating Individuality and Community
41:52 Exploring Community and Solitude
43:24 The Wisdom of Paradox
45:47 The Cure in the Disease
49:28 A Poetic Reflection on Depression
55:45 Embracing Humility and Wholeness
01:08:06 The Role of Love in Healing
01:17:10 Final Thoughts and Reflections
Center for Courage and Renewal
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A poetic conversation at the intersection of literature, science, and technology with Katherine Hayles, a distinguished research professor at the University of California, Los Angeles. Hayles discusses her ideas from her books 'How We Became Posthuman' and 'Bacteria to AI,' focusing on the need to rethink cognition and decouple it from consciousness. She describes the concept of non-conscious cognition and emphasizes the importance of understanding the integrated cognitive framework, which includes biological organisms, synthetic intelligences, and their symbiotic relationships with humans. The discussion extends to planetary ecology, the risks and potentials of advancing AI, and the overarching need for humanity’s care for the planet and each other.
00:00 What I really meant by posthumanism
00:27 The Concept of Human Transformation
00:54 Scientific and Ecological Perspectives
01:38 The Role of Machines and Symbiosis
02:31 Understanding Synthetic Intelligence
02:52 Widening the Circle of Care
03:40 Introduction to Catherine Hales by philosopher Andrea Hiott
04:01 Catherine Hales' Academic Background
04:19 Books by Catherine Hales
08:30 The Importance of Fiction in Science
09:55 Consciousness vs. Cognition
17:42 The Integrated Cognitive Framework
18:37 Non-Conscious Cognition
33:01 Meaning Making in Organisms
35:28 Understanding Different Umwelts
38:42 Understanding AI's Conceptual Umwelt
40:13 Embodiment and Ontology in AI
45:51 Symbiosis: From Biology to AI
58:08 The Role of Narrative in Science and Literature
01:10:06 Planetary Cognition and Future Challenges
01:18:48 The Importance of Accurate Information and Education
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This episode features esteemed philosopher Lucius Outlaw, professor emeritus of Vanderbilt University. In this thought-provoking conversation, Outlaw shares his remarkable journey from growing up in segregated Mississippi to becoming a respected philosophy professor, closely acquainted with influential figures like Martin Luther King Jr. and Eric Fromm. The discussion weaves through topics like double consciousness, agape love, the philosophy of Hegel, and the transformational power of language. Outlaw also reflects on how shared experiences, dialogue, and love can create a more inclusive, understanding world. Tune in to explore how philosophical insights can shape and nurture community and personal growth.
00:00 Introduction to Hermeneutic Justice
01:30 Welcome to Love and Philosophy
01:39 Lucius Outlaw's Journey
02:04 Exploring Double Consciousness
03:43 Phenomenology and Du Bois
07:49 Challenges in Recording the Episode
10:38 Lucius Outlaw's Early Life in Mississippi
36:01 Academic Struggles and Determination
37:03 Intellectual Growth and Honors Program
37:16 Gender Dynamics and Respect for Women
38:24 Choosing Fisk and Academic Rigor
40:45 Dartmouth Experience and Scholarship Offer
42:38 Return to Fisk and Black Power Movement
48:33 Student Government and SNCC Chapter
52:14 Graduate School and Intellectual Influences
01:02:01 Hegel, Marcuse, and Dialectical Thinking
01:07:07 The Crisis of the Negro Intellectual
01:12:00 Reclaiming Negative Terms: From Black to Queer
01:14:17 The Struggle of Identity and Language
01:16:29 Navigating Predominantly White Institutions
01:19:33 Rehabilitating Whiteness: A Controversial Notion
01:23:52 The Role of Dialogue in Understanding
01:25:23 The Legacy of Reverend James Morris Lawson, Jr.
01:40:50 The Power of Nonviolence and Love
01:47:30 Final Reflections and Continuing the Legacy
https://youtube.com/shorts/SioQ7I5N6Sg?si=jJLtNrBEViVu0KlP
Lucius at Vanderbilt University: https://as.vanderbilt.edu/philosophy/bio/lucius-outlawjr/
Lucius with Angela Davis: https://swarthmorephoenix.com/2024/12/05/angela-davis-in-conversation-with-lucius-outlaw-a-critical-conversation-on-contemporary-crises/
Photo from HBCU Radio Preservation Project: watch https://youtu.be/z5ikVSHL3ZM?si=g9QfRlI9wDhsaSLi
Lucius is the W. Alton Jones Chair, Emeritus Profeessor at Vanderbilt.
His research Areas are: "racial matters in socio-political life, in the United States in particular, and in legacies and practices of European and Euro-American Philosophy; Social and Political Philosophy; Africana Philosophy (African; African American, for example, Martin Delany, W.E.B. Du Bois, Frederick Douglass, Booker T. Washington, Ralph Ellison, Toni Morrison, among others); American Philosophy.SpecializationsAfrican, African American, Continental, History of Philosophy, Social and Political"
Representative Publications
"On Cornel West on W.E.B. Du Bois" Cornel West: a Critical Reader, George Yancy, ed. (Blackwell 2001)."'Multiculturalism,' Citizenship, E
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Michael Garfield is a futurist polymath who has worked everywhere from the KU Natural History Museum to the Sante Fe Institute to Mozilla to the Long Now. He’s currently with the AI Capabilities and Alignment Consensus Project. Oh, and he also has twenty years experience as an artist and musician. This conversation is a bit of a song exploder, looking into one of Michael’s songs (the Big Machine) through the kaleidoscope of his other more academic interests.
Summary: A deep, multifaceted conversation with Michael Garfield, known for his contributions to the Complexity podcast at the Santa Fe Institute, Future Fossils, and Humans on the Loop. This discussion with Andrea & Michael traverses various terrains including Michael’s journey from paleontology to music, his insights on complexity science, and the intriguing idea of the 'Fractal Rubik's Cube.' The entire conversation song explodes the themes behind Michael's song 'Big Machine,' tackling how love, mysticism, and science intersect in our complex world. Throughout, Michael shares his nuanced understanding of information, attention, and what it means to explore beyond traditional academic and scientific boundaries.
Check out Michael's latest essay for Aeon
Listen to the song Big Machine
Love and Philosophy Newsletter
00:00 Introduction to Michael Garfield
01:37 Exploring Michael's Multifaceted Talents
02:48 Unpacking the Song 'Big Machine'
05:19 Michael's Journey and Inspirations
06:06 The Evolution of Michael's Musical Path
10:46 Complexity Science and Personal Growth
23:24 Challenges in Academia and Complexity
54:34 The Role of Psychedelics and Language
58:14 The Importance of Communication and Curation
01:00:18 The Evolution of Social Media and Podcasts
01:02:08 The Importance of Internal Culture in Organizations
01:05:59 Navigating Modern Uncertainty and Strategic Thinking
01:07:21 The Role of Games in Understanding Complexity
01:09:33 The Intersection of AI, Podcasting, and Education
01:10:24 The Concept of Future Fossils and Precognition
01:13:06 The Philosophy of Finite and Infinite Games
01:17:17 The Age of Entanglement and Emergent Engineering
01:24:55 The Practice of Noticing and Consciousness
01:41:39 Love, Synchronicity, and the Future of Work
And here is a short talk Michael gave at DISI last month:
https://michaelgarfield.substack.com/foraging
https://substack.com/home/post/p-159486923
https://youtu.be/PFT2p6l9dW8?si=U1godoyWVDfIRIJx
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A first person exploration of the philosophy of bioregionalism, inspired by the complexity science of Donnella Meadow, with Felix de Rosen, a landscape architect and gardener.
Felix shares his fascinating journey from studying political science at Harvard to his passion for the natural world and Bioregionalism. Andrea and Felix explore the philosophy of organizing human societies around naturally defined areas, discussing complex systems and the importance of finding community. This conversation is an exploration of the intersections of ecology, culture, and personal growth through Felix's experiences and insights on creating sustainable and meaningful connections with the land and each other.
00:00 Introduction to Bioregionalism
00:43 Félix de Rosen's Background and Journey
01:30 Complex Systems and Community
02:53 Felix's Personal Reflections
05:21 The Importance of Place and People
21:34 Discovering Landscape Architecture
26:37 Understanding Bio Regionalism
30:11 Exploring Systems Thinking and Worldview
31:38 The Intersection of Gardens and Worldviews
36:06 Frustrations and Realizations in Landscape Architecture
39:45 The Importance of Systems Thinking
42:54 Bio Regionalism and Community Building
48:01 Bridging Political Divides through Bio Regionalism
52:25 International Bio Regional Projects
54:37 The Role of Love and Connection to Earth
01:00:30 Agency Deficit Disorder and Hope for the Future
01:01:28 Conclusion and Ways to Connect
Links:
Polycultura: Planetary Design and Communication
A talk from Felix at the Harvard commencement
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4e philosopher of cognitive science Hanne De Jaegher discusses the profound relationship between loving and knowing as intertwined processes. The first in what we hope to be many conversations about this inspirational work. With Andrea, Hanne explores the idea that thinking and feeling emerge from the same fundamental act of sense-making, which is rooted in our basic, biological existence. De Jaegher shares her personal experiences and how they led to her academic journey studying cognitive science, and then to her work on participatory sense-making. She emphasizes the importance of recognizing both oneness and difference in relationships and the conversation discusses the critical role of noticing and relational awareness. Through various explorations, De Jaegher illustrates how love is an ongoing relational activity that ‘shares a core with knowing’ and that can foster a deeper understanding of ourselves and others.
00:00 The Nature of Love and Sense Making
01:18 Exploring Cognitive Science and Social Cognition
02:58 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
03:52 Hanne’s Academic Journey and Dissertation
05:37 The Philosophy of Love and Knowing
09:38 Personal Reflections on Love and Language
11:48 The Interconnection of Loving, Knowing, and Being
22:26 The Role of Noticing in Relationships
25:36 Philosophical Insights on Ontology and Epistemology
30:03 The Dynamics of Relationships and Sense Making
34:42 The Importance of Holding Tension in Understanding
40:53 The Impact of Loving and Knowing on Personal Growth
47:17 Exploring Abstract Patterns and Sensory Experiences
48:25 Understanding Social Cognition and Autism
56:10 Bridging Cognitive Science and Sociology
58:14 Motivations and Challenges in Academic Life
01:01:15 The Role of Love in Research and Life
01:06:27 Navigating Academic and Personal Challenges
01:18:27 Holding Space and Embracing Multiplicity
01:24:47 Concluding Thoughts on Love and Understanding
Loving and Knowing: reflections for an engaged epistemology
Paradoxical Practices (2025) with Elena Cuffari and Rika Preiser
Participatory Sense-Making with Ezequiel Di Paolo
Sense Making (Maturana & Varela)
Living Ways of Sense Making by Evan Thompson
Hanne’s website and publication list
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 Andrea shares a deeply reflective conversation with renowned journalist Shoma Chaudhury. Originally recorded over a year ago for the Synapse conference, this episode offers an intimate look into Shoma's thought process and career journey. Shoma discusses her approach to holding nuanced, meaningful conversations with a wide variety of people, including some of the most famous figures globally. The episode delves into Shoma's personal experiences of navigating public scrutiny and professional hardships. Through the lens of her experiences, Shoma elaborates on themes of curiosity, compassion, forgiveness, and the complexity of human emotions and interactions. The conversation emphasizes the importance of creating spaces where people with opposing viewpoints can have honest dialogue and the valuable lessons that come from challenging life events. Both Shoma and Andrea explore the role of wonder, love, and respect in developing a more nuanced understanding of the world and ourselves.
00:00 Introduction and Context
01:04 Meet Shoma Chaudry
02:31 The Art of Holding Nuance
03:46 Evolving Perspectives in Journalism
06:44 Navigating Polarized Conversations
09:05 Personal Accountability and Growth
17:02 Respect and Understanding in Conflict
34:39 Spiritual Practices and Personal Resilience
50:48 Exploring Curiosity and Neuroscience
51:48 Influence of Parents and Nature
53:23 The Power of Genuine Curiosity
56:14 The Role of Wonder and Joy
57:49 Navigating a Public Scandal
01:02:21 Lessons from a Media Storm
01:06:41 Finding Peace and Resilience
01:14:42 The Importance of Love and Support
01:17:28 The Healing Power of Conversations
01:19:40 Final Reflections and Gratitude
Synapse Deck: https://tinyurl.com/5eaf2sdb
And a short video: https://tinyurl.com/3rcstp93
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After Andrea’s introduction, Mirko Prokop talks to Ezequiel Di Paolo about the enactive approach in cognitive science and its roots in Francisco Varela’s work on biological autonomy. They explore the ideas of autonomy and autopoiesis, the deeper meaning of enaction, how biological, sensorimotor and social dimensions of embodiment drive the ongoing, creative process that is human becoming, and what this implies about the meaning of love, authenticity, and the importance of staying true to your questions.
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Ezequiel is a Research Professor at Ikerbasque, the Basque Science Foundation and member of the IAS-Research Centre for Life, Mind and Society at the University of the Basque Country as well as the Centre for Computational Neuroscience and Robotics at the University of Sussex. He is known for key developments of the enactive approach and has published numerous articles and books on this and related topics in cognitive science and philosophy. Most recently, together with Evan Thompson he has reedited the new, annotated edition of Francisco Varela’s book Principles of Biological Autonomy, first published in 1979.
00:00 Intro by Andrea
05:02 Varela’s Principles of Biological Autonomy: From First Encounter to New Edition
11:25 Autopoiesis and Autonomy
19:20 Enaction: Bringing Forth a World
26:38 The Co-Construction of Organism and Environment
33:46 Dimensions of Embodiment
38:35 Enactive Becoming
43:57 The Primordial Tension of Participatory Sense-Making
52:32 What’s Love Got to Do With It?
1:00:36 Authentic Becoming
1:04:40 Staying True to Your Questions
Links to mentioned work by Varela & Co:
Principles of Biological Autonomy (Varela, F., E. Di Paolo and E. Thompson (eds.), 1979/2025, MIT Press)
The Embodied Mind (Thompson, E. Varela, F., and Rosch, E. 1991/2018, MIT Press)
Organism: A Meshwork of Selfless Selves (Varela, F., 1991)
Patterns of Life: Intertwining Identity and Cognition (Varela, F., 1997)
Life after Kant: Natural Purposes and the autopoietic foundations of biological individuality (Weber, A. and Varela, F., 2002)
Autopoiesis, Adaptivity, Teleology, Agency (Di Paolo, E., 2005)
Participatory sense-making: An enactive approach to social cognition (De Jaegher, H., and Di Paolo, E., 2007)
Sensorimotor Life (Di Paolo, E., Buhrmann, T., Barandiaran, X., 2017, OUP)
Linguistic Bodies (Di Paolo, E., De Jaegher, H., and Cuffari, E., 2018, MIT Press)
Enactive Becoming (Di Paolo, E., 2021)
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This show is about harmonizing the Dao and embracing the world's weirdness at once. Our guest is Eric Schwitzgebel, an analytic philosopher and professor at the University of California Riverside. As they unfold the Dao and the world’s weirdness, Andrea and Eric explore everything from robot consciousness, the love darts of snails, triads, axiology, and the philosophy of opening. Eric shares his journey into classical Chinese philosophy, how we understands harmonizing with the Dao, some of his writings about consciousness, and the importance of appreciating the world's inherent weirdness. This conversation offers a delightful blend of profound ideas and joyous reflections, encouraging us to see weird as a way into new perspectives and perhaps even into love. Hosted by philosopher Andrea Hiott
00:00 Introduction to Love and Philosophy
00:20 Meet Eric Schwitzgebel: Philosopher and Author
01:37 Exploring the Concept of Harmonizing the Dao
01:52 Journey into Classical Chinese Philosophy
03:59 The Tension Between Analytic and Chinese Philosophy
06:22 Understanding the Dao and Harmony
11:16 The Weird and Wonderful World of Zhuangzi
17:40 The Value of Diversity and Conflict
33:14 The Consciousness of Garden Snails
41:57 Exploring Relationality and Consciousness
43:50 The Consciousness of Plants and Robots
46:52 Philosophical Perspectives on Consciousness
55:38 The Philosophy of Opening vs. Closing
01:10:06 Ethics and Moral Behavior of Ethicists
01:17:43 Love, Marriage, and Harmonizing with the Dao
01:22:16 Final Thoughts and Farewell
The Book we discuss:
Writings we discuss:
Imagining Yourself in Another’s Shoes versus Extending Your Concern: Empirical & Ethical Differences
A Robot Lover's Sociological Argument for Robot Consciousness
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Julian Kiverstein is a senior professor at Amsterdam Medical. He's co-authored various papers about the importance of play as it relates to predictive processing, active learning, intimacy and embodied cognition.
Andrea Hiott is a philosopher at Universität Heidelberg.
Sometimes we get stuck in attractor states. Play is a form of disruption that may be able to help us get unstuck. Play seems to be far from algorithmic.
This conversation explores how playfulness is crucial for meaning and flourishing, and how building safe spaces for play (such as museums and parks) are crucial for healthy societies.
Active inference and predictive processing are discussed as tools that might help us better model and understand this ‘sweet spot’ towards finding ways to create spaces where we can explore uncertainty and risk without danger.
Drawing from his extensive work in phenomenology, embodied cognition, and predictive processing, Julian offers fresh perspectives on how play connects to mental health and wellbeing. Some key ideas from this episode:
• Play requires safety yet involves taking risks—a paradoxical relationship that enables personal growth
• Adults often lose the curious openness of childhood as we become fixated on seriousness and habitual patterns
• Love shares qualities with play as both involve transcendence beyond the self and openness to fresh experiences
• Active inference and predictive processing provide frameworks for understanding both mental illness and flourishing
• Breaking out of "attractor states" or fixed patterns requires disruption that playful activities can provide
• Creating safe spaces for play becomes essential for development, creativity, and meaning-making
00:00 The Role of Play in Well-being
01:50 Introduction to Love and Philosophy
02:45 Exploring Active Inference and Predictive Processing
05:24 The Importance of Play in Development
09:58 Julian's Journey into Mind Studies
12:11 Understanding Mental Illness through Predictive Processing
21:57 The Concept of Play and Its Cognitive Benefits
30:27 Intrinsic Motivation and the Value of Play
44:12 Play as a Disruptive Force in Mental Health
45:09 Understanding Mental Illness and Uncertainty
46:13 The Role of Play in Mental Health
47:38 Creating Safe Spaces for Emotional Regulation
49:05 Exploration vs. Exploitation in Learning
52:03 The Importance of Play in Adulthood
53:35 Art, Literature, and Emotional Engagement
56:55 The Need for Play in Academia
01:20:50 Balancing Exploration and Familiarity
01:23:37 Final Thoughts on Play and Well-being
Intimate Places: Playgrounds for self-exploration
Playfulness and the meaningful life with Mark Miller
More of Julian's papers
Stuart Brown and the Institute of Play
JK and Darius Active Inference Institute
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Sabina Leonelli (hosted live here by Fotis Tsiroukis) is a philosopher of science and technology renowned for pioneering work in the philosophy of data & open science. As a professor at the Technical University ofMunich (TUM), she directs the Ethical Data Initiative and leads the PHIL_OS project, which develops empirically grounded frameworks for open science in under-resourced research environments. Her interdisciplinary approach bridges high theory with participatory, on-the-ground research—exemplified by her ethnographic collaborations with biologists and data scientists.
In this episode, host Fotis engages in a deep and wide-ranging conversation with Sabina Leonelli. They explore the intersections between philosophy, science, and society, discussing topics like complementary science, the role of qualitative and quantitative methods in research, the challenges of interdisciplinary work, and the ethical implications of AI and data-driven technologies. Sabina urges us to not fear inconvenience—embracing complexity and discomfort in intellectual and social pursuits. The conversation touches on the necessity of love, vulnerability & collective agency in navigating the modern world, offering profound insights into how we can rethink knowledge production, technology, and politics.
[00:00:00] Highlights & Introduction
[00:10:41] Interview Begins
[00:11:13] Sabina's Journey
[00:14:17] Fascination with Boundary-Disrespecting Thinkers
[00:16:20] Early Influences & Education
[00:19:21] Challenges of Interdisciplinary Work
[00:20:39] Mentors & Inspirations
[00:23:54] The Approach of Complementary Science
[00:28:37] Collaborating with Scientists as a Philosopher
[00:32:26] Philosophy of Data
[00:36:00] Questions Left Out of Biology
[00:37:40] Coming to terms with Social Epistemology
[00:40:05] Choices & Assumptions in Scientific Research
[00:40:05] Willingness to Engage with the Social Nature of Science
[00:44:05] Willingness to Use Different Methods
[00:48:05] Acknowledging the Role of Quantification
[00:50:27] Knowledge Hierarchies
[00:55:00] Mixed Methods for Global Issues
[00:57:00] Limits of AI: The Case of Medical Expertise
[00:58:52] AI as Complement to Expert Knowledge
[01:02:01] Cultural Obsession with Control & Convenience
[01:03:45] Social Media & Digital Divide
[01:07:20] Regaining Agency Through Politics
[01:12:30] Collective Action & Social Relationships
[01:15:00] Need for Political Engagement
[01:17:20] Contemporary Disillusionment
[01:19:40] Love as a Teacher
[01:22:20] Vulnerability & Human Experience
[01:25:50] Caring as Leverage for Engagement
Data Shadows (Art-Science Film Collaboration)
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 Andrea in conversation with fellow cognitive scientist Mark Michael James, highlighting his journey from understanding patterns of being to shaping habits and realigning health. Mark shares his experiences from Ireland, his academic pursuits, and his present work at the Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology. This episode delves into synchronicity, embodied cognition, and the philosophies and practices of the arising 'school of way' of practice and philosophy which includes 'wayshaping' and 'waymaking' and pertains to a paper Mark has recently written with Mushfiqa Jamaluddin, Tom Froese, Aisha Belhadi, Anna Panagiotou, and Dave Snowden. It all ties back to practical applications in health, navigating complexity, and striving for a dynamic balance in life. Mark's personal stories and reflections make this a must-watch for anyone interested in cognitive science, philosophy, and the art of living well.
00:00 Introduction to Unexpected Contributions
00:35 Exploring the Concept of 'Craic'
00:56 Welcome to Love and Philosophy
01:02 Introducing Mark Michael James and His Work
02:23 Discussion on Synchronicity and Relevance Realization
06:47 Mark's Journey to Okinawa
12:39 Navigating Personal and Social Patterns
51:23 Health Challenges and Personal Stories
55:06 Sensory Irregularities and Scripts
56:21 Breaching Experiments and Sociological Insights
57:13 Cultural Patterns and the Irish Concept of 'The Crack'
01:03:26 Health, Habits, and Personal Transformation
01:08:05 Philosophical Reflections and Practical Applications
01:19:49 Wayshaping Framework and Multiscale Health
01:27:57 Personal Reflections and Future Directions
Wayshaping paper
Waymaking
Also, have a look at this book about Mindshaping by Michelle Maiese.
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TRAILER: Bringing care into public discourse alongside critical thinking.
Hello, everyone. In today's world, we're often pushed into choosing sides and thinking in absolutes. But what if there was another way? Or rather, what if there were many other ways? Welcome to to Love and Philosophy. This is a cumulative philosophy project where we practice kaleidoscopic thinking, moving beyond either/or scenarios to embrace the complexity of existence.
Andrea Hiott, together with other hosts and contributors, gathers philosophers, scientists, and people from all walks of life to explore the intricate connections between love, knowledge, and the patterns that shape our world. Every conversation is deeply researched and spoken from the heart, yet mostly unscripted. This approach allows us to engage in real dialogue, where ideas surprise us, and where it's okay to be messy. As long as we're moving towards what truly matters. Bringing care into public discourse alongside critical thinking.
We delve into the many layers, dimensions, and possibilities of cognition and consciousness. What is the purpose of the body? What does it mean to be sensual? What are the implications of all this life, space, and time around us? We're not only observing these aspects but also taking part in their creation.
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If any of these ideas resonate with you—thinking beyond dichotomy, planetary and constellatory thinking, or kaleidoscopic cognition—we want to hear from you! Do you have a conversation or idea from your life or work that you'd love to share? We're on a collective journey, exploring the world through the eyes of various beings around us, human and otherwise. 
If you know of any poems that relate to these themes, please send them our way. We warmly welcome poetry as a means of expression and connection.
Let's embrace the complexity and share our kaleidoscopic turnings.
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Jessica Böhme is a sustainability scientist, transformation researcher, and founder of the Institute for Practical Eco Philosophy. Jessica shares her journey of exploring the connection between inner transformation and outer change, and how this quest has influenced her personal and professional life. Andrea and Jessica delve into the concept of living philosophically, the role of relational philosophies, and how they impact sustainability. They also discuss the challenges Jessica faced in academia, the significance of personal practices, and her innovative idea of 'philosophy gyms' aimed at integrating philosophy into everyday life for better ecological and business practices in the engineering world. Jessica also talks about her unique lifestyle choices, her artwork, and the broader implications of living a thoughtful, engaged life.
00:00 Introduction to Inner and Outer Change
00:29 Philosophy as a Way of Life
01:59 Welcome to Love and Philosophy
02:04 Introducing Jessica Böhme
02:37 Exploring Relational Philosophy
03:28 Philosophy Gyms and Ecological Love
04:21 The Knowledge-Action Gap
06:50 Jessica's Academic Journey
09:42 Inner Transformation and Sustainability
10:01 Mechanistic vs. Relational Worldview
12:34 Challenges in Sustainability Science
13:39 The Complexity of Relational Thinking
32:05 Philosophy as a Living Process
37:13 The Paradox of Science and Health
38:13 Personal and Planetary Health
39:43 Patterns in Health and Consumption
40:47 The Role of Awareness and Choice
42:28 Practical Eco Philosophy
44:04 Micro Habits and Daily Practices
48:34 Living Philosophically
59:44 The Concept of Wild
01:01:04 Art and Expression
01:04:51 Philosophy Gyms and Experiments
01:08:59 Final Thoughts and Farewell
Institute for Practical ekoPhilosophy
Pierre Hadot: Philosophy as a Way of Life
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The line between a psychotic break and success is not quite as clear as it once was, nor is the question of what medication, therapy, or practice is best, or in what amount. This conversation tries to unpack that liminal space with a man who knows it well and has been able to stay connected to the love in it.
In this episode of Love and Philosophy, Andrea engages in an in-depth conversation with Tom Morgan, exploring the complexities of love, philosophy, and personal transformation. They discuss the challenging balance between high-functioning careers and spiritual pursuits, the misconceptions around self-sacrifice and service, and the importance of community in navigating life transitions. Tom shares his personal journey from a high-stress finance career through an awakening experience, detailing his struggles with mental health, the role of psychiatric medication, and the lessons he's learned about integrating holistic and scientific perspectives. This episode delves into the nuanced intersections of mental health, personal growth, and the pursuit of meaning, offering invaluable insights for anyone on a similar path.
00:00 Introduction to Love and Philosophy
00:06 Exploring the Concept of Love
01:06 Introducing Tom Morgan
01:57 Tom's Journey from Finance to Philosophy
03:28 Balancing Wealth and Well-being
05:42 The Intersection of Science and Spirituality
08:28 Tom's Personal Awakening
13:54 Navigating the Hero's Journey
20:10 Challenges of Spiritual Integration
23:10 Holding the Tension Between Worlds
43:54 The Choice to Change
45:38 The Struggle with Identity and Career
47:07 Understanding Self-Sacrifice vs. Service
47:46 The Paradox of Complexity
51:01 The Role of Ketamine and Mental Health
58:56 Integrating Spiritual and Physical Health
01:06:45 The Importance of Community Support
01:09:58 Navigating High-Functioning Anxiety
01:17:23 Embracing Love and Contribution
01:22:50 The Future of Consciousness and Society
Professional Qalifications & Photo Ref (Wall Street, philosophy degree from Oxford, etc.)
Victor Frankl — 'What is to give light must endure burning.'
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A heart-meets-mind discussion about complexity science and its suprising relation to Daoism, with physicist Jean Boulton. The conversation explores how stability and change are part of a reflexive interweaving of relationships, the importance of actions and behaviors in co-creating the future, and the role of compassion and love in fostering resilience. We also touch on the profound influence of spiritual practices such as Taoism and Buddhism on understanding complexity. The discussion emphasizes the necessity of integrating heart and mind, and how seemingly small, compassionate acts can create significant shifts. Whether you're interested in spiritual traditions, scientific perspectives, or personal development, this episode offers a rich tapestry of insights to inspire and guide you.
00:00 Introduction to Change and the Dao
00:33 The Interconnectedness of Actions and Behaviors
01:11 Embracing Complexity and Wider Perspectives
01:43 Guest Introduction: Jean's Background and Interests
01:50 Understanding Complexity in Science and Everyday Life
04:03 The Mechanistic Worldview vs. Complexity Science
06:29 Personal Journey: From Physics to Philosophy
08:09 The Influence of Family and Early Philosophical Interests
11:14 Process Complexity and the Dao
11:41 The Paradox of Stability and Change
13:31 The Role of Context and History in Shaping Patterns
14:11 Discovering Daoism and Its Connection to Complexity
15:47 The Nuances of Daoism in Understanding Complexity
19:21 The Importance of Actions, Intentions, and Purpose
26:13 The Role of Attention and Noticing in Complexity
27:55 Integrating Heart, Mind, and Body in Complexity Science
33:23 The Embodied Experience of Complexity
35:02 The Interdisciplinary Nature of Complexity
36:04 Meditation and Embodiment
37:19 Tibetan Yoga and Compassion
40:16 Childhood and Personal Growth
42:42 Societal Wounds and Addictions
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Embracing Uncertainty: Barry O'Reilly on Software Architecture and Philosophy
In this episode of Love and Philosophy, we sit down with Barry O'Reilly, a seasoned software architect with a deep background in pure mathematics and experience at top companies like Microsoft. He discusses his innovative concept, Residuality Theory, which introduces complexity theory into software development for the first time. Barry explains how traditional linear thinking in coding often leads to rigid and brittle constructs that fail to adapt to the constantly changing business environments. By embracing paradoxes and uncertainties using theories from philosophy and complexity sciences, Barry offers a new perspective on software architecture that combines the logical rigor of code with the adaptability required for real-world human systems. Join us for this thought-provoking conversation that bridges the gap between coding and philosophy, and learn how embracing uncertainty can lead to more resilient and flexible software solutions.
00:00 The Rigidity of Software vs. The Chaos of Business
00:46 The Philosophical Roots of Computer Science
01:28 The Architect's Paradox: Linear Thinking vs. Human Systems
02:20 Introducing Residue: Adapting to Change
03:16 The Relief of Embracing Uncertainty
04:16 Welcome to Love and Philosophy
11:34 Meet Barry O'Reilly: From Math to Software Architecture
16:02 The Journey to Complexity Theory
21:25 Handling Uncertainty in Software Projects
26:47 The Evolution of Software Engineering
31:42 The Birth of Residue and Ity Theory
38:17 The Need for a New Philosophical Approach
43:36 The Immaturity of Software Engineering
46:03 Personal Frustrations and Philosophical Pursuits
46:40 The Reflective Practitioner and Instinctive Problem Solving
47:13 Linear Thinking vs. Embracing Uncertainty
49:34 Philosophical Foundations in Software Engineering
01:05:03 Hyper Liminality and System Resilience
01:13:45 The Role of Play and Forgiveness in Software Development
01:19:16 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Architect's Paradox: Uncertainty and the Philosophy of Software Architecture
Residues: Time, Change, and Uncertainty in Software Architecture.
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Andrea sits down with Kevin Kelly, a true pioneer in the world of technology and futurism. Known for his foundational work with Whole Earth, Wired Magazine and definitive pieces like '1000 True Fans,' Kelly shares insights from his early fascination with science fiction to his groundbreaking contributions in understanding and shaping the digital age and technological ideas. They discuss the profound influence of science fiction on technological advancements, the humanizing impact of the internet, and the vital importance of travel and curiosity for finding meaning. Kelly explains the nuanced continuum between biology and technology, the concept of 'hill making' versus 'hill climbing' in innovation, and how love and community remain central to his work. As they delve into Kelly's latest book 'Excellent Advice for Living,' this conversation offers rich perspectives on maintaining creativity, embracing complexity, and fostering an optimistic outlook in an ever-evolving world.
00:00 Introduction and Early Influences
00:05 The Role of Science Fiction in Shaping Technology
01:58 Discovering the Internet as a New Frontier
04:30 Welcome to Love and Philosophy
04:36 Kevin Kelly's Background and Achievements
09:30 Early Encounters with Computers
14:28 The Humanizing Effect of the Internet
17:42 Meeting Stewart Brand and the Whole Earth Catalog
28:01 The Importance of Travel and Broader Perspectives
33:38 The Transformative Power of Travel
34:37 Embracing Unique Paths in Life
35:47 The Value of Time Over Money
40:16 The Birth of Artificial Life and Wired Magazine
46:34 The Paradox of Progress and Creativity
53:38 The Importance of Noticing and Small Steps
01:01:33 Hill Making vs. Hill Climbing
01:02:59 Final Thoughts on Love and Life
Whole Earth Catalogue and Whole Earth Review
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Participatory sense-making is a term coined by Hanne De Jaegher & Ezequiel Di Paolo. Both these philosophers will be featured in upcoming episodes.
Andrea Hiott hosts Rebecca Todd, Shay Welch, and Penijean Gracefire explore intricate themes of participatory sensemaking, the concept of the 'third entity,' and the impact of trauma and love on interpersonal relationships. The discussion delves into how the body acts as a data-gathering device, how sensory inputs shape our understanding of the world, and the importance of mutual sense-making in a highly complex and often overwhelming environment. Each speaker shares their unique perspectives and experiences, from cognitive neuroscience to ethical interactions, ultimately highlighting the significance of staying connected both with others and oneself. This conversation is intellectually stimulating and emotionally enriching, drawing on neuroscience, philosophy, and mental health to offer fresh insights into navigating the complexities of human interaction.
00:00 Introduction to the Body as a Data Gathering Device
00:57 The Futility of Communication and Social Media
02:35 Welcome to Love and Philosophy
02:52 Participatory Sense Making and Social Cognition
04:46 Meet the Three: Beck Todd, Shay Welch, and Penijean Gracefire
05:46 Rebecca Todd: Cognitive Neuroscience and Life Experience
08:13 Penijean Gracefire: Neurotechnology and Human Function
12:21 Shay Welch: Philosophy, Public Art, and Participatory Sensemaking
15:50 Exploring the Concept of the Body
23:09 The Role of EEG in Understanding the Brain
52:36 The Impact of Trauma on Sensemaking
53:25 Introduction to Anchors and Interactions
54:14 Effortful Sense Making Shaped by Love
55:16 Individual Differences in Sensory Systems
56:24 Neuromodulation and Sense Making
59:24 Visualization and Communication Challenges
01:03:07 Complexity Fatigue and Bandwidth
01:14:11 Neuromodulation Device Experiment
01:20:35 Participatory Sense Making with the More-than-Human World
01:29:34 Challenges of Virtual Interaction
01:36:48 The Futility and Hope of Communication
What is Participatory Sense-making and Why Should We Care?
Steve Paxton, originator of the practice of contact improvisation, himself says: “The reason it’s called contact improvisation is because there is a third entity that arises in the state – it is the state of agreement between the two of you that neither one is leading. It doesn’t become leaderless, the two of you are leading.” Source
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Andrea and Fotis (a guest host of L&P) explore the intricate world of podcasting. Fotis, returning from a previous episode and getting ready to do his second podcast for L&P, asks Andrea about the podcast's growth. In this unplanned chat, the two talk a bit about what podcasts mean to them, Game B, the intersection of various disciplines, and the broader impact of podcasting as a medium. They discuss the research and connective side of podcasting and reflect on this new journey, sharing insights on authenticity, community-building, and the challenges of navigating complex topics. Tune in for a quick half-hour chat that delves into their motivations, the evolution of their podcast, and the significance of having meaningful, open-hearted conversations that come from a place of love, even when they are challenging.
01:13 Discussing Podcast Growth and Community
02:02 The Philosophy Behind Podcasting
05:25 Challenges and Responsibilities of Content Creation
07:30 Interconnectedness and Network Building
11:15 The Unique Nature of Podcasts
12:14 Exploring Diverse Podcast Communities
26:02 Future Directions and Personal Reflections
34:31 Concluding Thoughts and Next Steps
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Ritournelle is a concept created by Gilles Deleuze & Felix Guattari for A Thousand Plateaus (1987.) It's the main subject of 11th plateau 1837: Of the refrain. In this episode of 'Love and Philosophy,' host Andrea Hiott engages in a deep and thought-provoking conversation with philosopher, psychologist, and poet Bayo Akomolafe. They discuss the transformative power of love, the complexities beyond binary categorizations, and the idea of life as a process filled with relational tensions and incompleteness. The discussion covers Bayo's personal journey, including reflections on his father and his book 'These Wilds Beyond Our Fences.' They explore themes of care, disruption, and the radical incompleteness of reality, providing listeners with insights into how we can embrace the multiplicities of being human. Host of this episode is philosopher Andrea Hiott.
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00:00 Introduction to Categories and Relational Tensions
02:20 Welcome to Love and Philosophy
02:43 Introducing Bayo Akomolafe
03:19 Themes of the Podcast and Bayo's Background
05:36 Binaries and Relationality
09:11 Personal Reflections and Philosophical Insights
09:46 The Concept of Retournello and Repetition
10:56 Navigating Categories and Structures
12:22 The Story of Bayo's Daughter
14:17 Philosophical Reflections on Life and Death
23:05 The Role of Trauma and Healing
32:11 The Pandemic and Societal Reflections
36:42 Love as Radical Incompleteness
38:27 Conclusion and Farewell
host and philosopher Andrea Hiott
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Life is not built by blocks but by lines woven together according to Tim Ingold, emeritus professor of anthropology at the University of Aberdeen and a leading thinker in anthropology and philosophy. Tim Ingold and Andrea Hiott explore key themes from Tim's influential works, such as 'Anthropology: Why It Matters' and 'Lines,' discussing how life is a continuous journey along interwoven threads and traces shaped by our every action. Building on Gibson, Deleuze,  Hallowell, Merleau-Ponty, and others, Ingold's idea of 'wayfaring' as our fundamental mode of being challenges traditional distinctions between nature and culture, mind and body, and forces us out of block-mind and into traces and threads of life interwoven. This enriching dialogue touches on the importance of awareness, attention, and responsibility, offering insights into how these ideas can help us navigate toward a world where love and respect for life are central. Whether it's through storytelling, music, or everyday actions, learn how our paths shape our humanity and influence the futures we create. This episode is an opportunity to reflect on how we should live together in a world full of possibility, a world we love enough to take responsibility for together.
00:00 Introduction to Love and Philosophy
00:05 Introducing Tim Ingold and His Work
00:43 The Concept of Lines in Life
01:43 Wayfaring and Life as a Process
02:54 The Importance of Awareness and Responsibility
04:18 Tim Ingold's Influences and Philosophical Approach
10:28 Tim Ingold's Early Life and Inspirations
17:26 Fieldwork and Anthropology
25:16 Challenging Traditional Divisions in Science and Humanities
32:07 The Evolution of Tim Ingold's Thought
48:47 Revisiting Nature and Culture
51:48 Anthropology as a Conversation
54:46 The Anthropological Conversation
56:12 Subject and Object in Anthropology
57:58 The Middle Voice of the Verb
59:39 Crafting and Teaching
01:06:38 The Concept of Lines
01:13:24 Embodiment and Attention
01:27:42 The Future of Technology and Education
01:39:52 Hope for the Future
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Lines, the book
‘For we are made of lines. We are not only referring to lines of writing. Lines of writing conjugate with other lines, life lines, lines of luck or misfortune, lines productive of the variation of the line of writing itself, lines that are between the lines of writing.’
— Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari, A Thousand Plateaus
A great interview with Tim Ingold by Juan Loaiza for ENSO.
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    #74 the Dynamics of Holding and Sharing: Authenticity, Maps, Masks & Voicecraft with Tim Adalin
  
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    #73 Enough of this Harrowing: Life Together on the Möbius Strip with author, educator and activist Parker Palmer
  
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    #72 Rethinking Cognition: Posthumanism to Planetary Ecology with Professor Katherine Hayles
  
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    #71 Dialectics, Democracy & the Phenomenology of Double Consciousness with Lucius Outlaw Jr.
  
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    #70 Fractal Rubik's Cube & the Big Machine with futurist polymath Michael Garfield
  
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    #69 The philosophy of Bioregionalism with Félix de Rosen
  
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    #68: Loving, Knowing and Participatory Sense-making with philosopher Hanne De Jaegher
  
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    Summer of 2024: Synapses of Life with Shoma Chaudhury
  
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    #67: Autonomy, Autopoiesis & the Enactive Approach with philosopher Ezequiel Di Paolo
  
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    #66 Harmonizing the Dao with analytic philosopher Eric Schwitzgebel
  
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    #65 Play & Meaningful Uncertainty: Active Inference and the Intellectual Sweet Spot with Julian Kiverstein of Amsterdam UMC
  
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    #64: Complimentary Science & the Lure of Convenience with philosopher of technology Sabina Leonelli
  
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    #63 Shaping Habits Together: life's changes and challenges with cognitive scientist Mark Michael James
  
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    Kaleidoscopic Cognition: Beyond Dichotomy
  
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    #62: Living Philosophically and Thinking Wild with professor of technology Jessica Böhme
  
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    #61: Burning to Give Light: the delicate balance of illness and insight with former Wall Streeter Tom Morgan
  
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    #60: The Dao of Complexity with theoretical physicist Jean Boulton
  
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    #59: Complexity Coding, Residuality Theory & the Hyperliminal: being flexible and rigid at once with architect Barry O'Reilly
  
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    #58: Hill Making & Lessons for Living with WIRED co-founder Kevin Kelly
  
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    #57: Complexity Fatigue & the Third Entity with philosophers and neuroscientists Beck Todd, Shay Welch and Penijean Gracefire
  
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    BONUS: A Quick Podcast about Podcast(s) with Andrea & Fotis
  
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    #56: Radical Incompleteness & Windows of Ritournelle with poet philosopher Bayo Akomolafe
  
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    #55: How Shall we Live? with anthropologist and lineologist Tim Ingold
  
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