STAND with Kelly and Niki Tshibaka
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Like you, they have suffered devastating loss and faced overwhelming challenges. Through it all, they’ve found victory over the hardships of life simply by choosing to Stand. Join Kelly, Niki, and their inspiring guests as they move beyond simply talking about issues and challenges, to exploring how to solve and overcome them. Together, we will build a movement of everyday Americans who courageously take a stand for freedom, truth, and a country led by “We the People.”
STAND with Kelly and Niki Tshibaka
From Witches to Pirates: Making Courageous Choices with Bill O'Reilly and Kevin Freeman
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Witches? Pirates? Secret plans?! Join us today for an adventurous podcast as we sit side by side with the indomitable Bill O'Reilly, peering into the heart of journalistic integrity and the pursuit of truth.
We'll unravel tales from his remarkable career to the birth of his own news agency, all while charting the course of a media landscape that's brimming with echo chambers and declining trust. If you've ever wondered what it takes to maintain steadfast values in the ever-shifting sands of news and public opinion, Bill's insights are sure to help you navigate the chaos of modern media.
Brace yourself as we travel back to the chilling era of the Salem Witch Trials with "Killing the Witches," Bill's latest historical deep dive that casts a revealing light on the origins of social silencing in today’s America. Understand the role of fear and social hysteria as we draw lines connecting the past's witch hunts to the modern-day tribunals of cancel culture. This isn't just a history lesson; it's a reflection on our collective psyche and the ways we choose to honor—or ignore—the lessons of our nation’s history.
In this episode, we’ll also join renowned author Kevin Freeman in his economic war room to tackle the financial titan that looms over us: the Great Reset. We'll debate the merits and perils of fiat and digital currencies and ponder the Constitution's provisions that guard against financial tyranny.
As we discuss the revolutionary concept of state-level gold-backed currency systems, listen in to discover how such a move could herald a new age of economic justice and secure the principles of liberty that our founders so fiercely defended.
With Bill O'Reilly and Kevin Freeman leading the charge, this episode is a trusty battle plan for making the courageous choices needed to challenge the status quo and reclaim the narrative of America's future.
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Hello Alaska, hello America. Welcome to Stand. This is a no fear zone. That means the fear stops here. I'm your host, Kelly Tshibaka, a former candidate for US Senate in the state of Alaska. I'm joined today by my amazing co-host and husband, Niki Tshibaka, who formerly worked at the Department of Justice as a civil rights attorney.
Kelly Tshibaka:We are broadcasting today from the frontier of Alaska, and happy to do so even though it's cold. Subscribe now to Stand with Kelly and Niki Tshibaka. We're on all your favorite podcast platforms. You can find them on standshow. org. If you leave a review, you could be entered to win our hydro flask sticker for the week. So, buckle in today for a fantastic lineup. We're kicking off the show with the amazing Bill O'Reilly. He is a seasoned journalist, a bestselling author and, of course, a staple in all of our living room homes as he dominated cable news for decades. He's known for his incisive commentary and, of course, his fearless approach to asking questions on tough topics. Bill O'Reilly shaped our national conversation and, of course, our thought life for decades, and we will be diving into his insights, his career and his amazing new book called Killing the Witches. Bill, we're so happy to have you with us. Welcome to Stand.
Bill O'Reilly:My pleasure, I love Alaska and I appreciate you guys having me in.
Kelly Tshibaka:Well, you're one of the few people we've talked to. We've actually been here, and been here several times. We'd love to have you back. I want to kick off the show today and ask, of all the amazing things you've done in your life, which our audience is quite familiar with you, what would you say is your greatest accomplishment?
Bill O'Reilly:You know I've been in journalism 49 years it will be in January and I have succeeded on every level. For one reason only I'm honest, I don't pull any nonsense or I don't have an agenda, and I've been able to adhere to that. It hasn't been easy. I've had to leave companies that wanted me to do things I wouldn't do and I've stood the test of time. So that's my proudest accomplishment that all of my peers that I began with way back in 1975, they're all retired, driving around Florida and little golf carts. But I'm still here and doing what I do and I appreciate that. You have me on your podcast.
Kelly Tshibaka:Well, we're so glad to have you here. I love that you answered that question, not with something that you did, but with a character statement that you stood by your values, and I think it's also interesting to your point that all these other people who in normal stage of life would be retiring and going to golf courses. It's your honesty, your integrity and, I think, your pursuit of truth that keeps you motivated to continue doing what you're doing. But you also kind of tipped your hat to this and I want to follow up on it. It's also gotten you into some hot water. So you pioneered a new form of journalism. I'd say that you went into courageous conversations and doggedly pursued truth. That sort of honest approach led you to ask questions of guests that were a little bit different than how predecessors had asked them. And that new form of journalism got you into some hot water and into some tough times in your career and in life, and I just wanted to ask how did you handle some of those tough times?
Bill O'Reilly:Well, I'm a realistic pragmatist, so I always know who is on my side and who isn't. And you can't control that. You have to be a person who sees the whole field, to use a sports cliche. So when I began the cable news adventure in 1995, I had just come off a Harvard Master's degree in public administration. I designed the O'Reilly Factor up at Harvard because I knew that technology was going to lead to big corporations setting up 24-hour television news, which had never been done before, and I knew that that was coming in a big way. Now CNN was first, but the Fox model was traditional Americans I'm just conservative, but traditional people they're not much of a voice on television, so we'll give them one. And it worked in a tremendous way.
Bill O'Reilly:And so I was there for more than 20 years, every day of my life. I was attacked primarily by left-wing people, and as the technology grew up, the websites and all of those people well-funded money coming into them destroy people with whom you disagree. And then basically I had some protection, but that protection broke down at the end and so I decided look, I'm not fighting any of this, I'm going to form my own news agency, which I have. billoreilly. com is where we live and it is the most successful independent news agency in the world. Took me seven years to establish it, but we have. And believe me when I tell you I am a lot better off as a person, as a journalist in every way, working for myself and not from corporate pinheads, you know.
Niki Tshibaka:Well, that actually leads to my question, Bill. I mean Kelly talked about how you pioneered new trends, new horizons and journalism always on the edge of journalistic thought and trends. Your thoughts on journalism today? What are you you're watching now from the outside, looking in in terms of corporatist journalism? What are your thoughts on where it is right now and where do you think we're headed?
Bill O'Reilly:Well, it's horrible. It's corrupt. We all know, everybody knows it. Audiences have declined dramatically across the board. Fox News still beats MSNBC and CNN. So when I left my last quarter at Fox, I was averaging about six million viewers a night. Wow, yeah, about 900,000. In the 24 to 54 demographic which they sell advertising off of, it's half that now. So we all know that when you speak to the choir and you don't really, you know, mix it up the way I did, you know the problem is boring. So the cable shows bring on people, the hosts, who agree with them. There is no fire. There's no very little of that anymore. It's too hard to do and the future of it is going to continue to descend as people get bored with it. Only older people watch network news. That's totally deteriorated. You could go out in Anchorage, alaska, tonight and say who's the lead anchor man for ABC evening news. Maybe one out of five people would be able to tell you that when I worked there under Peter Jennings, everybody in the country knew Peter Jennings was so different.
Niki Tshibaka:Yeah, and part of my concern is I'm watching this trend is what happens to the viewers, the audiences. How do we find and discern what's true and what's not? Because the tendency in human beings is to just gravitate to your own little bubble. So you could foresee a situation where things become more proliferated. We have a more sort of democratic way of doing journalism, but then it sort of reflects the great divide in our country where people on the left will just listen to leftist podcasts et cetera. People on the right will just listen to folks on the right and will never have a way to figure out like what's really true. And you know, watching your podcast, that's something where people can feel comfortable knowing Bill's going to shoot straight with us and give it to us straight. But where else could people go? How else do they curate all these new media platforms out there?
Bill O'Reilly:Well, here's what I do. I get the Wall Street Journal and about five other newspapers delivered every morning to my house on Long Island. The Journal editorial section is honest. Their information usually checks out. About 90% of it checks out. And then I go to SEMIFOR H-S-E-M-E-F-O-R. It's an internet news site. Pretty good, pretty good, and there's a new one called Tangle T-A-N-G-L-E. The guy's trying, so I am mass my information in the morning and then I have my producers go out and confirm All right. So we're on pretty solid ground every day when we broadcast not only to our television, but we have more than 300 radio stations that we broadcast on as well we're pretty solid, though. What we're telling you is true. What is is a absolutely. You have to want to find the truth, and it's not easy, and a lot of people don't even want to find it. They feel comfort in the bubble on both sides, and that is a problem for America.
Niki Tshibaka:Well, you just gave us a couple of resources I have never even heard of. So to our audience.
Kelly Tshibaka:So helpful.
Niki Tshibaka:Yeah, check those out and continue to watch Bill on his show as well, and you won't go wrong in figuring out what's really going on out there. Last quick question We've got a minute here. Bill, you've had a really interesting and varied career. You've done. You've been an educator, a policy person, journalist. How did you figure out where you wanted to go ultimately and what did you want to dedicate your life to? I mean, you spent 50 years in journalism. How did you decide this is what I want to do?
Bill O'Reilly:Well, I'm a believer in God, but I'm not a holy roller kind of person. But one of the tenets of my religion, roman Catholicism, is there is an act of God and if you believe in that God, you will get guided by an entity called the Holy Spirit. Every human being is born with talent, even the people who are mentally challenged. Everybody has talent, and I learned early in life what my talent was. I could always write. I never took a writing class and I'm Irish. I can bloviate like crazy.
Kevin Freeman:Why.
Bill O'Reilly:Right, I knew that. So all I did was combine the two and got into journalism television journalism All right, that's what everybody has to do. What do you do well, and then you develop that skill to the highest level and you will succeed.
Niki Tshibaka:That's a phenomenal answer and remembering that our lives are guided by a higher force, a higher power, and using our abilities to the best that we can and for his glory. After the break, we're going to dig into Bill's new book, killing the Witches. Killing the Witches it's an amazing new book in his series, the Killing Series. We'll be right back with that. Remember to subscribe to the show while we're on break and check out the book online. Buy it Anywhere books are sold. You can also find it on billoreilly. com. We'll be right back.
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Bill O'Reilly:Okay. So, by the way, you can get all 13 Killing Books on billoreilly. com for Christmas. It's a good deal, and if you really want to know about the world and your country, it's a good investment. And if you don't, you got 13 separate Christmas gifts to give away, so you win both ways. So I could write about anything.
Bill O'Reilly:The Killing Series of best-selling nonfiction book series in the world. Nobody's ever sold more books than we have in this category and I wanted to write a book that was fascinating in a historical sense but also relevant to today. Kelly and the witch hunt today is big. Donald Trump uses the word witch hunt every speech that he feels he's a victim of a witch hunt. All right, I told one of his guys. I said look, whenever he says witch hunt, could he hold up the book killing the witches? That would be great marketing for me if he could do that. So there is a modern day witch hunt and it's exactly the same as it was in 1692. So we're not executing people anymore with the rope, because all the witches were hung, hanged, but we're destroying their lives, and here's how it works.
Bill O'Reilly:Back in Salem, Massachusetts, it was a theocracy. It was run by crazy, lunatic ministers, not of any faith, they were just Christian ministers. They didn't even celebrate Christmas or Easter. That's how nutty these people were and the society was based on. You better do what we tell you to do or you're going to hell. But before we get the hell, we're going to beat the hell out of you. And so it was a crazy, crazy society.
Bill O'Reilly:Well, young girls, 12, 11, they started to accuse people of being witches, and these lunatic judges and clerics took it seriously and all it would take was an accusation. How do you prove you're not a witch? How do you do that? So the girl goes oh goody, so. And so try to make me sign the devil's book Guilty. Oh, it is crazy, crazy.
Bill O'Reilly:Today, any accusation, particularly if you're famous or wealthy, gets on page one. And if Preston didn't care whether you did it or not, they just want the accusation. And then the people, the folks, are going well, look at he did, look what he, she did. Wait a minute, where's due process in this? That's why I wrote the book. So it takes you from. Actually, the Mayflower which you guys didn't want to be on, by the way, everybody thinks that was a love boat that was harrowing. Getting over here on that it takes you from that all the way up to the present day about the witch hunt. The witch hunt today is the cancel culture. It's you say something, they'll kill you, and then money. It is lawyers advertised on television. Somebody did something to you. You come right to us and we'll destroy their lives and we'll get you money. It's a huge industry and everybody knows it. So I link it all together. I make it relevant to today. Killing the witches first.
Bill O'Reilly:Two months sold 250,000 copies well, and in this, day and age, where people are addicted to the cell phones and they're you know, then don't read the books the way they used to write phenomenal.
Kelly Tshibaka:Yeah, it is something else I think you did really good in the in the book, as you Explain part of the reason why this culture was so crazy is because they came over in the Mayflower. We paint this. I don't know, maybe I have a first grade picture of it, of having painted or pictured these boats. We, you know, we color all the boats and we we dressed up as pilgrims and it was all just joy and happy. But I think you did a really good job explaining it wasn't actually joy and happy and by the time they got over here these people are actually pretty traumatized. And then that that just carries out forward.
Bill O'Reilly:Our country. The origins of it were so brutal. People just have no clue about how difficult it was to come here. Nothing here except hostile Native Americans who did not want your presence and most of the pilgrims. They weren't pilgrims. They won't call that until a hundred years later. So it's my duty as a historian to tell the truth about my country, which I love. And you read killing the witches and you go all the way through all the rest, you'll know more about your country than anybody else.
Kelly Tshibaka:Well, one of the things that's true about history is our stories continue and I think you do a good job of portraying that, that the seeds of our current culture were actually set at the foundation and we haven't gotten away from that.
Kelly Tshibaka:And so one of the things I'd like you to explain a little bit more about is this this theme you explore in the book of the psychology of fear and the contagious social contagion that is fear, that once it this, this Ungrounded paranoia set in, it just spread, and you saw it all through Salem so much that it becomes part of history. I love the how you talk about calling up to the leadership in Salem and and they're so proud about their Salem witch festivals and everything and you talk about, do you realize you're glorifying the murder, the ungrounded murder, of all these victims? Like, are you really celebrating that? Just goes silent and yeah, and then, and how that plays today and what you see in our, our Contagious fear in society today. What do you link those? I'd like to hear your thoughts on the link between those two.
Bill O'Reilly:Yeah. So back in Salem in 1692 you had children testifying you against their parents. It was like it was horrible and but some good came out of it, because we would not have freedom of religion now. Had the Salem witch trials not happened? Because Benjamin Franklin Hmm, young teenager in Boston, he got on to this thing and he was so appalled by it. Franklin was a genius, even as a kid he brought it to the Constitution Convention. So we can't have Religious people run in this country. It was a big brawl. Patrick Henry, governor of Virginia, wanted in the Constitution in the United States to be defined as a Christian country and but Franklin and Madison and Jefferson won that fight and that's why we have freedom of religion now.
Bill O'Reilly:Today in our society, religion is on the skids. It's a secular society and that's not a good thing in my opinion, because we need to have some moral foundations of right and wrong progressive movement. They don't want that. They don't want to prosecute criminals, they don't want any judgments made. It's frightening what they, their vision is. I, I'm a person who believes there is a right and wrong, a good and evil, and those people on a side of good after fight evil. And In Salem they couldn't do it, because if you went up against these clerics and judges, then the next day you were accused of being a witch. Now we have a bit more protection on that, but still you go against the media in this country. They're gonna come after you, mm-hmm.
Niki Tshibaka:Yeah, that's powerful. And following up on that, Bill, we've got a couple minutes left with you and I'm just really curious to hear what's the solution? Right, we know One of the solutions is to learn from history. If you learn from history, you're less bound to repeat it. But we can see how leftist culture now is trying to erase or redefine history, so we don't learn from our mistakes from the past. How do we get out of repeating what we're repeating right now in our own Functional equivalent of those which trials in this cancelled culture?
Bill O'Reilly:Well, two thousand twenty four elections gonna tell a tale. If the progress is Game, you can kiss your country goodbye. You know you guys are in good place because Alaska is separate. All right, even though you're affected by the same cultural trends, you're not that close to the madness that centers in Washington DC. Americans have got to go to the polls next November and they don't vote party. But you've got to stop this far left movement, and Joe Biden is a tool of that movement. He enables that movement. They control him. Now I'm trump, is trump. Okay, you, you guys make your own decision about trump, but I'm voting against. All right, the progressive movement and all of this cancel culture, all this work business. That's what I'm voting against next November, because I know how brutal that is and I want it vanquished. And so the all I can tell you is that's how you fight it at the ballot box. Hmm.
Kelly Tshibaka:Hmm.
Niki Tshibaka:Well, hopefully we, we learn that, that lesson, because people tend to think, well, they'll go after so-and-so, because you know they're famous, but they're never going to come after me. And yet, more and more we're seeing every day ordinary Americans getting caught in those, those nets and um and we write about that and killing the witches.
Bill O'Reilly:We were regular people. Lives are destroyed. One final point a lot of Alaskans go down to California, you know, do a little bit weather and stuff like that. If you're a parent in California, a parent, you don't have any rights. You have no rights and people don't know that. They don't know what Sacramento has done, that you can't even raise your own kids. The state will intrude on on that. I mean, if that's what you want, you know I don't want to be a part of that Keep voting for Newsom, keep voting for Biden, because that's what they are promoting. Bill, you make a good point. I appreciate you guys having me on. Very nice to talk to you.
Kelly Tshibaka:You too.
Bill O'Reilly:Yeah you make a good point, all of your listeners and viewers of very merry Christmas up in North Pole, alaska right.
Kelly Tshibaka:Yeah, that's right, but killing the witches and witch trials are really not related to a political party. Um, it doesn't have to be An extreme right or an extreme left. It's really a mindset About control and a contagious and a contagious fear. So, thank you so much for being with us. We really appreciate it. We'll be right back after this break. Yeah, go ahead, Bill.
Bill O'Reilly:Yeah, when I when I come up there, I'm going to come into the studio with you guys, all right, we would love that.
Kelly Tshibaka:We'd love to have you up and to do a book promotion tour, because I think this, this book, is really prophetic and it's a foreshadowing of what's to come on a mass level if we don't take a stand for free speech and courage. So, we'll be right back after this break. Thank you so much, Bill O'Reilly, for being with us. Please, everyone, check out this book killing the witches. You can get it on amazon, you can get it on bill oreilly. com, along with all the other books in the killing series, and you're with Kelly and Niki Tshibaka on Stand. Right after this break We'll be coming back with our next guest, so stand by, make sure to hit subscribe while we're on break and we'll be right back in just a minute.
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Kelly Tshibaka:Welcome back from our break. We're excited to welcome Kevin Freeman to the show. Kevin Freeman hosts economic war room. It's a weekly broadcast and podcast where financial intelligence meets national security. Economic war room is a financial news show that provides new market insights to the challenges America and wall street face daily. Kevin Freeman has spent decades studying the intersection of economics and national security and today he's going to join us to talk about the Founder's Hidden Plan for Economic Liberty. Kevin, welcome to Stand. We're so glad to have you with us.
Kevin Freeman:Oh, thank you, Kelly. It's an honor to be with you.
Kelly Tshibaka:I'm so glad to have this discussion with you. I know what we're going to talk about. I've been involved in some of your discussions and mobilization at the state level, but I know that a lot of our audience has no idea what we're going to talk about. So I want to open up with this book you've written, Pirate Money. It's an Amazon bestseller. Yes, audience, you can get it on Amazon Pirate Money Discovering the Founder's Hidden Plan for Economic Justice and Defeating the Great Reset. You also can find it on Kevin's website, economicwarroom. com. So, for those who may not understand what we're talking about, can you start out with what's the great reset? Why are we even going to care about today's topic and pirate money?
Kevin Freeman:Well, the great reset is a progressive grab bag of ideas that they have promoted to the World Economic Forum through elitists in the United States, actually even sometimes through the Chinese Communist Party which is essentially intended to take America down as a republic and replace it as just another nation among the world and really remove America's special status for liberty in the world and put us all kind of under the thumb of the elites. And they're not even shy about sharing it. When the World Economic Forum, which is Klaus Schwab and the Rothschilds and all the big wigs of the world, when they describe it, they say by the year 2030, you will own nothing and you'll be happy about it, you'll eat less meat, you'll start eating bugs. They list all of these things. That is the great reset. It is the takeover plans of the elitist to eliminate America as a liberty-loving republic.
Kelly Tshibaka:That's a really good way of summarizing it. A lot of people have not heard about this. It's a plan, a plan that they hash out in their conferences, like you said. They're public about it, they have meetings about this, they've been implementing it, and so then we see these destructive forces come through, and many would indicate this seems to be right, in line with the great reset.
Kelly Tshibaka:It seems to be perhaps intentional that this would be for America's reset and leveling, if you will, to make us not a superpower and therefore more easy to control or to be controlled, and our economy is one of those things, and I think we can all see there's something wrong with it. The dollar's crashing, our credit has been downgraded, we've got recession looming, there's the onset of national digital currency, which would be currency controlled, all by the federal government, which means that they can make and take away your dollars whenever they want. I know that you know a lot about that your show is about that, but that there you've said hey, the founders all anticipated this government control of our bank accounts and they had a hidden plan. Tell us more about that.
Kevin Freeman:Well, first, I'll give you a little history of money. Because World Economic Forum is called economic? Because it's about money. The Bible talks about money, luke 1611, jesus said if you can't get the money part right, if you're not faithful with your unrighteous man and no one will trust you with true riches. And, unfortunately, americans are obsessed with money. And that's you know. We are one quarter of the world's economy, with 4% of the world's population, so the World Economic Forum says hey, that's not fair, it's not equitable, we've got to level all that out.
Kevin Freeman:But funny how, at the top of it, they seem to be in control, and so what they're talking about is taking control in those areas with money, and the founders actually knew that elitists are the same, whether it's the British monarchy of the 17th and 18th century or whether it is the elitist aristocrats, modern aristocrats on Wall Street and in Davos around the world today. They knew that they would take and control people with money, so that's the baseline premise of it. What they did, though, is they put in the Constitution a secret plan that we would not go into paper money I have right here. This is a continental produced in 1776. It is a $4 continental from Philadelphia. They produced this and they paid for the war with it. And George Washington once said a wagon load full of continentals would not buy a wagon full of supplies. Because, even though it was supposed to be backed by four Spanish bill dollars and this is an actual Spanish bill dollar, it's.77 ounces, troy ounces of fine silver even though it was supposed to be backed by four of those, they didn't have a penny to back up their currency. And the net result was massive inflation during the Revolutionary War, a collapsing economy, great challenges. And that's why, at Valley Forge, the soldiers a third of them didn't even have shoes, they wore burlap sacks. At Valley Forge, with bleeding feet crossing to go to the Delaware, we almost did not survive as a nation because we had unbacked paper money. Net result founders hated it.
Kevin Freeman:Elitists, on the other hand, love it. They love a printing press where they can control people with money, and their goal is to take away our paper dollars, replace it with this central bank digital currency to where it's all electronic. You don't even have paper money and they can make it. Turn it on or off it will. They can take it away from you and give it to somebody else. They can tell you you're a bad person because you're buying gasoline and so your money doesn't work to buy gasoline, but it can buy an electric car, or it can buy bugs to eat. Or if you're too heavy and have too high a cholesterol, you can't buy a cheeseburger, but you can buy a salad.
Kevin Freeman:It is even such, Kelly, that when they talked about this recently at the G20 meeting, they had an interview and one lady came out and said can you imagine the good we can do with this? If someone's already had two cups of coffee that day and they go to buy a third cup, we can cut them off and their money won't be able to buy a third cup of coffee because they don't need the extra caffeine. And isn't this great what we can do for people? And she said it with a straight face.
Niki Tshibaka:You know, that's really interesting because at the end of the day, somehow I think that in this whole plan for a great reset, those elitists aren't going to be the ones eating the bugs. I think they're going to be planning that for everybody else, but not necessarily for themselves. And what's particularly diabolical about all this is you can see how you could really have a planned economy that's totally controlled by the government if you can control what people spend, where they spend, how they spend. When they spend, it's not just about their physical health or mental health. It's also about what do we need to do to make sure the economy meets the objectives that we think are important? And the only way to do that is to stymie the liberties and the freedoms of the people that we supposedly are trying to help and whose lives we're supposedly trying to make better. Kevin, you're an expert on economics and national security. In your opinion, what strategies do you believe the US should adopt to protect its economic interests and its national security at this moment?
Kevin Freeman:Well, I'll go back to the prior question and tie them together. The founders said that a federal government, whatever they do about money, a state, can only make gold and silver coins. This is a partial gold to balloon. This is a silver piece of eight. And when you hear the term pieces of eight and gold to balloons, instantly you think Captain Jack Sparrow or you think Treasure Island, you think pirate money.
Kevin Freeman:What we should do is we should adopt pirate money. Imagine if you were paid. You work hard all week long, you get your paycheck at the end of the week and, instead of giving you paper dollars that could become worthless, your company gives you gold and silver coins, but they deposit them directly into an account at the state of Alaska or the state of Texas or the state of Utah. They deposit them directly and then they give you something like this a debit card that you can use, that you can spend in ounces of gold and silver, or you could write a check on it, or you could show up and say give me my coin, I want my bullion out.
Kevin Freeman:That's the premise of the book Pirate Money. It defeats the Great Reset. It takes us off of this debt trap that we're on. It's optional, it's individual, it's offered at the state level, it's constitutional, it's biblical, it meets all of the requirements. So, to protect the interests of the United States, we need to get off of this hyperinflationary schedule that someday will take us to where Zimbabwe was. Whereas Zimbabwe, they were once producing $100 bills and this is a $100 Zimbabwe bill from 1995. And by 2008, they were producing $100 trillion bills, and this one had a buying power of $20 US, this one has the buying power of a penny. That's what hyperinflation does. So we need to return to what the founder said get rid of this crazy paper money system and $33.5 trillion in debt and go back to real money, gold and silver on a state-based level, optional to individuals.
Niki Tshibaka:That's a fascinating idea and I think that example and that picture of what happened in Zimbabwe under Mugabe is a perfect example of what happens when you don't have a currency that's backed by gold and silver. Let's dig into this a little bit more After this break. We're on Stand with Kevin Freeman, author of Pirate Money. You can pick it up on Amazon or on his website. Like Kelly said at economicwarroom. com, we'll be back in a moment and bye.
Kelly Tshibaka:We are back on Stand with economy expert Kevin Freeman. If you did not get a chance to watch this episode because you're listening to it, I really encourage you to check out that first segment and just the cool pirate money, if you will, original currency that Kevin was holding up, because it's amazing to see. I mean, I can't remember the last time I saw a dime or a nickel, let alone old currency, right. So those are some pretty amazing coins to see.
Kelly Tshibaka:Kevin, I really like that you don't just talk about problems, you actually hustle to implement solutions, and you've been working on implementing these solutions. I think I can see a lot of challenges to implementing the solutions you're talking about. One of the challenges we run into in Alaska is, while I love the idea of a gold-back currency or a gold and silver, we're not allowed to touch our minerals. Another challenge that I hear you talking about is this would be a state-based system. There's 50 of those instead of one federal government. So how have you gone about working to implement this as a solution? I know you've been really busy.
Kevin Freeman:Yeah, so we wrote the book First off. We tried this in Texas in the last session and we got amazing support. Both Democrats and Republicans liked it.
Kelly Tshibaka:Wow.
Kevin Freeman:We broke out of a committee. It was entered by a freshman. I convinced a freshman House member to enter this as legislation and they said it's dead. Freshmen can never take anything anywhere, ever. Bring it back twice or three times and we might look at it. But a freshman got it out of the State Affairs Committee, which is the hardest committee in the House, got it out of calendars and got it onto the floor.
Kevin Freeman:Wow, we impeached our Attorney General and a whole bunch of stuff going on and so it got chubbed out at the last second. But we had the votes, we counted them and the reason is, when we walked into a Democrats office we just said would you all like to own gold? And everybody says, yeah, I would like to own some. How do you buy it? In fact, how to buy gold was the number one search term on Google, according to the Wall Street Journal in April of this year. How to buy gold number one top Google search term. The reason is is people are scared inflation, central bank, digital currency. They want something to hold its value, so they're worried. So how do I buy gold? And they said the problem with gold is you can't buy a movie ticket with it or go out to dinner with it. It's just not practical. But what we said then to the Democrat office is would you like to own gold and have the ability to spend it or get paid in it and use it as currency? Yes, as an option, as an option, as a choice. They know how hard it is.
Kevin Freeman:I have a client that passed away. She had three rolls of gold coins in her safe, brilliant, beautiful lady lives in Chicago and we liquidated her securities and we sold her house. We opened the safe and we found three rolls of gold coins. We estimated their worth about $50,000. And I got three different bids on them 42,000, 47,000 and 49,700. Now why the disparity? Well, people don't know what the purity is, and then they have to assay it, then they have to look at it. So we sold them back to the people she bought them from and we had a certificate, and so they said it took eight weeks. Wow, now think, if you're an average, moderate income person.
Kevin Freeman:You couldn't afford to keep your money tied up for eight weeks. But if you could have the gold and you wouldn't know where to store it you probably don't even have a safe in your house, but an average person could have their gold held by a state on deposit. That's their actual gold. Two ounces of gold that you own, that's about $4,000, and they could spend it, if the washing machine broke down, using a master card or an American Express or a debit card. That becomes very useful means to store value. That's why Democrats loved it. It's economic justice. That's why we use the term economic justice in the book, because we heard it over and over and over.
Kevin Freeman:When we released the book we had at Liberty Hawk Ranch here in Dallas, we invited legislators from varying states, including one Senator, Kevin McCabe, from your state came and they all came in with different views. Well, maybe we should use gold backs, or maybe we should do this, or maybe when they left they were uniform. This is the answer. I wrote the book, gave them all copies of the book. They've gone home and it is now spread to 18 states with legislation. We think we can pass it in almost every state in the United States and we love that federalism because maybe Alaska does it right but California doesn't do it so right. If I live in California I can have a banking relationship in Alaska or South Dakota or Florida or Texas. I might, as a Californian, prefer my money be held in Alaska, my goal be held in Alaska. So 50 experiments, 50 shots on gold the one that is most liberty minded is the one that will garner the most resources and that will benefit that state.
Kelly Tshibaka:Which is a huge opportunity for a state. Right States are always looking for a competitive advantage where the design was set up to compete with other states. You have different cultures, different economies, different things you can offer. One of the other things I really hear you saying on our show, where we try to be really solution oriented we don't think there's much point in the nation of sofa surfers. We want to be a people who are mobilized to do something. What I really like in the solution you're offering is you didn't just write a book and then impose it on everybody.
Kelly Tshibaka:What I really hear in what you've done is this has all come out of best thinking from a lot of different people, which is why it's so persuasive. You get into these rooms and you're taking the best ideas and the best implementation and then giving the liberty and freedom to people to say these are the basic principles and at the way it works best, in Alaska, in Texas, in Montana, in Virginia I know you were just there what works best for your context? But these are the principles that will work best. Government control does not work best. Individual liberty does and, like you said, what's not working for us right now, for example, is all of our retirees retired on a certain income with a dollar based on a certain value, and now that that value of the dollar is dropping out from under them, that is economic injustice, and when you take away economic freedom from people, you're really putting them in a sort of government captivity that undermines the complete purpose of our country. It's an urgency that we really need to deal with.
Kevin Freeman:No, no question. And each state has the opportunity to make a little money because they can pick up some of the fees and it's all constitutionally supported by Supreme Court decisions. They're all I put and cite the major cases in pirate money. There's no flaw here. I'm going to South Carolina, utah. I'd love to come to Alaska and talk about it. I've been to Virginia, as you mentioned, florida. I'm gonna go from here and meet the Lieutenant Governor of Texas and carry him a copy of the book.
Kevin Freeman:We'll go anywhere in support because we are a solutions to action tank. Economic war room is not a think tank. We're not a talking head show. We are like you're doing, Kelly. We're a solutions to action. We come up with solutions and then we'll take action to help implement the solution. We've already done this with artificial intelligence. We've already done this with a border solution. We're already doing it with solutions for ESG and proxy voting and all of those things. So we have these solutions. We have and we're out there working hard with great people like you to try and implement the solution so that real people can actually benefit and not just watch a talking head complain about what's wrong.
Kelly Tshibaka:Right.
Niki Tshibaka:I love. Part of what I love about this is when you talk about economic justice. I mean, this is also something that advances the cause of equality across the board, across race and gender, etc. Because when impoverished communities lose what little purchasing power they have, it makes their already challenging circumstances that much more challenging, and the solution you're proposing protects the value of their money so that their purchasing power doesn't dwindle, and so it's just a powerful solution. So let's go back a little bit to the history of this. I just like to ask when you, when we go back to the beginning, republicans and Democrats I mean this. This was an issue that divided them, and Republicans want a gold based currency, democrats didn't. How did America get away from a standard that was outlined, as you mentioned, in our Constitution? And then, how do we now hold our elected officials accountable to issues like this in and pushing this forward?
Kevin Freeman:Well, I'll blame, too, a Democrat and a Republican. Fdr confiscated gold in 1933 and removed us from the first part of the gold standard. Richard Nixon took us off the last part of the gold standard in 1971. In 1971, from that day to the present I was 10 years old. I could buy a Hershey bar for a dime. I could buy a Slurpee for 15 cents. I could buy a Spider-Man comic for 15 cents, a cheeseburger, chocolate-shaken fries at McDonald's for a dollar. I could earn a dollar 60 in one hour's work. I could spend a dollar 40 on all those things that I just mentioned, and I had enough left over to pay my tithe or it shouldn't have been left over. I paid my tithe first and then I had enough left over to eat and enjoy all the good things in one hour's labor as a 10-year-old. But what happened in 1971 is Richard Nixon created the opportunity for the financialization of the entire economy to where we have money making money rather than people making things that make money, and we lost our manufacturing base. Wall Street became predominant, they bought off all the politicians and that's how we went from being a real economy to a fake money economy, which is where we are today. And so if I can wake up the populace and realize this isn't Democrat or Republican, this is a real people versus the elites that are running everything they get it and the way to take them back is education and the way to educate them is pirate money.
Kevin Freeman:If I can get you to read, Nick Vojcic wrote the forward to it. Nick is a dear friend. You got to hear his story. It's in there. He got debanked. A man without arms or legs got debanked. He's a brilliant, beautiful man. It's got great endorsements. Ben Carson wrote the very first endorsement here. If you'll read the forward by Nick Vojcic, I think you'll read the introduction. If you read the introduction, I'm certain you'll read the first chapter. If you read the first chapter, you'll read the whole book and I have you on my team. Read the book. I know you'll buy. I know you'll buy into it and you'll love it.
Kelly Tshibaka:That's really good. So Nick is amazing. We do know him and this is an awesome book, so we totally endorse and recommend it. You can get it on Amazon, pirate Money, or check out Kevin's website, economicwarroom. com. We appreciate your wisdom. We appreciate your courage, Kevin, and everything you've shared today taking a stand for economic freedom and helping us out here in America. This is amazing. Pirate Money is good and we totally hope everybody adopts this, read the book and gets empowered. This has been another fantastic episode on Stand with Kelly and Niki Tshibaka. You can follow us on your favorite podcast platform. You can get all of our links at standshow. org. We will see you next week.
