Untamed Pursuits
Embark on a wild adventure like never before with the groundbreaking podcast, "Untamed Pursuits."
Join the intrepid duo of renowned author and outdoor enthusiast, Ridr Knowlton, alongside the seasoned professional fishing guide, Jamie Pistilli, as they traverse the globe in pursuit of the world's most exciting fishing and hunting destinations, and the fascinating creatures that live there. From the lush rainforests of the Amazon to the icy depths of the Arctic Circle, each episode promises heart-pounding encounters, captivating tales, and invaluable insights into the natural world.
With Ridr's profound storytelling and Jamie's unparalleled expertise, prepare to be transported to the front lines of adventure, where every roar, splash, and rustle ignites the senses and leaves listeners on the edge of their seats. "Untamed Pursuits" isn't just a podcast—it's an adrenaline-fueled odyssey that will redefine your perception of nature and leave you craving more. Buckle up for the ride of a lifetime!
Untamed Pursuits
Episode 18: Navigating the Wilderness - Short Hunts, Packing Hacks, and Outdoor Thrills
Join us as Ryder Knowlton and Jamie Pistilli recount their unforgettable grouse hunting adventure through the dense forests of Minnesota. Experience the camaraderie and thrill of the hunt as they share the story of bagging their first elusive ruffed grouse. With the added bonus of a fresh, pan-seared culinary reward cooked right in the woods, this tale is a testament to the challenges and joys that resonate deeply with outdoor enthusiasts.
For those who crave adventure without the long commitment, we explore the benefits of short hunting and fishing trips. Ryder shares insights from personal experiences in Saskatchewan and Minnesota, showing how a two- to three-day getaway can provide all the excitement and relaxation of a week-long vacation. Whether you're a guide or a guest, these brief but intense excursions offer multiple opportunities for success, enriching lives and recharging spirits without causing disruption to daily responsibilities.
Strategic packing and smart travel tips are paramount in maximizing your adventure experiences. Discover how planning overnight flights, utilizing compression bags, and employing Apple AirTags can enhance your journey. We discuss the art of balancing work, rest, and adventure, ensuring you make the most of every moment
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Speaker 5:The water is very clear and very clear and very clear, and very clear and very clear and very clear and very clear and very clear and very clear. Hey everybody, welcome to the next episode of Untamed Pursuits on the Outdoor Journal Radio Podcast Network. This is Ryder Knowlton. I've got my trusty sidekick, jamie Pistelli, with me. Jamie, how are you doing?
Speaker 6:Hey, ryder, I'm doing great man. Always good to catch up with you. I wish we lived closer, you know, but it's good to catch up once a week here on the podcast and hear what's going on and let the folks know some different travel tips, fishing, hunting and all the things that we do here.
Speaker 5:Hey man, that's the magic of technology. We can live 1,000 miles apart, but all it takes is one little FaceTime on our podcast deal here and it's like we're sitting right next to each other.
Speaker 6:It's amazing, man, how's everything down there? So you went on another trip. You're down in Minnesota.
Speaker 5:I just got back from Minnesota and we were chasing grouse through those woods and it was so funny. I had a couple buddies of mine from Georgia doing their first grass hunt. And for those listeners I'm sure there's many listeners, whether you're from Canada or maybe some of the great lake states, you know that are grass hunters and for those listeners that are experienced grass hunters, they know what I mean when I sayouse woods. What I'm talking about, I'm talking about woods so thick that you're lucky, you can barely swing the barrel of the shotgun. I mean, it's almost to the point where it's crazy.
Speaker 5:I've got a photograph of a buddy of mine and he's 20 feet to my right. We're pushing through the brush. We've got, you know, another guy with a couple of dogs and we're all kind of working our way through and you can barely see him. It's so damn thick he can't even move. And then, of course, the branches are there beating you up and you're, you know, twisting your ankle and you get, you know, branches in your face and all that kind of stuff. And what you're doing, of course, is pursuing one of the most fantastic upland birds in all of North America, which is the rough grouse. And for those of us that are upland hunters. You know, we know and we appreciate the significance of getting a rough grouse and bringing it back to camp. It's no different than you, as a fisherman. You know, knowing the significance of a muskie right. You know a lot of work went into getting that fish. Same thing with a rough grouse.
Speaker 5:So, anyhow, we had a couple days of camp up there and had a good hunt and my buddies each got their first grouse. But we're, we were, all you know, four of us and we're sharing this little hunting cabin. It was an old deer camp and uh, we um, we're, I don't know, I guess we were a couple hours uh in from duluth, minnesota and uh lying there, you know, night kind of getting ready to go out the next morning after the first day, and my buddy, you know, he kind of calls in from the other room and goes hey, ryder, he goes.
Speaker 5:I just figured out how I could have trained better for this Krause. And I said how, man, what you know, because it is a physical hunt. And I said, how could you have trained better? He goes all I needed to do was just stand at one end of a car wash and walk through the car wash myself and let the car wash just beat the living shit right out of me. And I said, yeah, you could have grabbed a mop, you know, pretended the mop was your shotgun. You just kind of held it, you know, and walked through from one end of the car wash to the other, just had those big giant flapping, spinning things, you know, beating the crap out of you, spraying you with soap and water. He goes yeah, that would pretty much. You know, that would be a perfect training ground for you know these Minnesota grouse woods.
Speaker 5:You know it begs the question why in the world do you do some of these crazy things we do? And the answer is, at the end of the day, because you're chasing. In that situation, you're chasing a very special bird and we're so lucky that a couple of those guys each got their grouse and we actually, on day two, we actually got back to the truck around midday and and um, pan seared one of the grouse, got two good, you know breasts. You know um, uh, you know breast meat off of off of it and and kind of pounded it and tenderized it and salted it and seasoned it and threw it in some butter right on a you know, right on a cast iron skill behind the pickup truck and had a couple of grass sandwiches for lunch. You just can't beat it, man, the fall northwood's in the fall. You just can't beat it. And um, but I thought his description of a car wash was pretty appropriate oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 6:I'm sure our uh podcast brothers on on uh, the the eating well podcasts are jealous with your, your gross sandwiches. Oh man, it's funny this time of year. Uh, you know, whether you're hunting or fishing, you have to. The weather's been going really hot, really cold and I I've been having a hard time adjusting from hot to cold. I was out yesterday and it just went from, you know, plus 15 zero and just my body is beat up today. But you know that's what we do.
Speaker 6:This is the prime time, this is playoffs and I think, as outdoors person, you know you spent all winter waiting for the fall time, when you know it's trophy for, whether you're fishing or hunting, all my hunting buddies are out now chasing deer and moose and everything else, and it's an awesome time of year.
Speaker 6:But you've spent such an amazing. You've done lots of traveling, you know, not only this year but in your life. So I thought this episode we can kind of give you know listeners out there, some tips. You know, not everybody gets to travel as much. Some people, um, you know, save up months and months or years for for the ultimate hunter, the ultimate fish. So I thought it might be kind of cool to do like a travel episode where we can kind of talk about border crossing, maybe some packing, maybe. You know, I think one of the things how we first connected that was so cool is our trip planning. You know, I've had the opportunity to trip, you know to go on some crazy trips too, and I think kind of the preparation for a trip is half the fun and then you kind of, you know, with the proper planning and execution, it's really cool to see how a trip comes together.
Speaker 5:You know you're spot on and I tell you I might to kick it off, I might start, you know, but maybe we talk a little bit about you know just getting out there and doing it and that first step. There's a lot of folks I've talked to a lot of folks that say man, I wish I could do that.
Speaker 5:Or, man, I wish I had the time to do that. Or, oh, you know God, I wish you know I got a baby next year. I'll try to do it and I tell you. You know, maybe we take a couple of minutes and talk about ways to help make that happen, because none of us are getting any younger. You know, I got more gray hair than you do.
Speaker 4:But you know there's no time like the present.
Speaker 5:I can't tell you how many parts of my sporting world that I'm so glad I did it when I did it. I'm glad I was a sheep hunter in my 30s and 40s. I say that Of course I know plenty of sheep hunters in their 70s that are out there still kicking butt up on the mouths, but I'm still glad I did those things in my 20s and you know that I did in my 20s and 30s and 40s and of course now I'm in my 50s. But one of the things that you know let's talk about this One of the things that I think folks might not think about, especially folks that don't travel as much or maybe hesitate maybe some listeners who hesitate about taking some of these trips.
Speaker 5:I was reading a magazine this morning and one of the advertisements it was a full page advertisement from Saskatchewan about duck hunting and the motto was three days is plenty and what they mean by that is that you know you're going to shoot so many ducks and geese in Saskatchewan, which is arguably one of the greatest destinations in the world for waterfowl hunters in Saskatchewan world for waterfowl hunters in Saskatchewan but their point is that you're going to go home with a bruised shoulder because you got. You know you're going to. You're going to have so much shooting in those three days that three days is plenty and you can take your your bruised shoulder and go home with a big smile on your face knowing that you had a heck of a trip and and and when you feel that, when you feel that sore shoulder, you're going to smile.
Speaker 5:When you feel that sore shoulder, you're going to smile, not frown. And I thought about that and I was like you know, there's so much truth to that. You know, three days is plenty and you know the grouse hunt.
Speaker 5:I just got back from in Minnesota was a two-day trip. In other words, we had, you know, we showed up, we hunted for two days and then we left. Actually, we actually left the second day after hunting. We didn't even stay over that night. And we're coming up, of course, from the southeast Georgia, carolinas, getting up to Minnesota.
Speaker 5:You could argue that that was a day and a half trip, although let's say, we'll call it two days, you know, with all the logistics. But the point is that with a lot of these trips, you can go do a two-day trip or a three-day trip and feel like you've been gone for a month. You know you don't have to take a week off and miss. You know, both Jamie, you and I, both man, we're managing jobs, we're managing kids, our families. You know we've all got all those responsibilities. We're, you know, we've all got all those responsibilities. And so sometimes it can really seem overwhelming. How in the world am I going to get away for a fishing trip? Or how in the world am I going to get away for a hunting trip? Well, the reality is, you know, I call it my, it's my, you know magic three, four day trip.
Speaker 5:And for me, you know, if I can, if I can get a late night flight on a Thursday or a late or a drive after work on a Thursday. You know I'm getting to camp. You know you can get to camp Thursday night. If you leave at the end of work on Thursday, you miss, you know, and you hunt or fish on Friday. You hunt or fish on Saturday and you come home Sunday. The point is at the end of the day. The only real time you've missed from work is a Friday. The point is at the end of the day. The only real time you can miss from work is a Friday.
Speaker 5:Obviously it's got to be a weekend that your kids don't have sports or activities or your family doesn't have something going on. But in two days of hunting or fishing, immersing yourself in a place, you know whether you're hunting or fishing, you can come back on that Sunday and feel like you've absolutely, you know, just been away for a month. You know, and you don't need to take a week to do these trips. You can do a lot of the stuff you and I do. You can do it as a two day trip or as a three day trip, you know, or maybe as a, at the max, as a four day trip. What do you, what do you think?
Speaker 6:I think that's a great point. You know, a lot of people think that you're going on vacation and has to be for a week or 10 days. And you know, went up to Vegas and I remember, after being in Vegas for two days, I was like, wow, I'm glad I didn't book here for a week. I probably need another week off to relax.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's a place that'll wear you out.
Speaker 6:Well, like you said, if you're going there with a goal in mind, whether it's, you know, maybe a new species of fish or an animal or birds, right, you can get it done in two days. And you know, as a guide myself, it puts a lot of pressure when somebody comes and they, you know they have a half day or a full day. But if you can do like you know, I got musky guys coming up for three days Well, chances are in three days.
Speaker 6:there's going to be a window where the magic's going to happen, and hopefully it happens sooner than later. But if you give yourself a couple of days to, you know sightsee and have an opportunity at the species that you're looking for.
Speaker 6:You don't really need a whole week A week is great. A whole week A week is great, but, like you said, it's almost for me. I function better as a human when and I'm a better father, husband, friend when I know I have something to look forward to, right. So if I go, ok, in six weeks I'm going on my weekend away, and that really for me. You get excited by that time and then you get recharged when you're there and then you go back and then you're at work or whatever the case might be, and then you start planning the next trip.
Speaker 6:But I think you can do three or four little trips or one or two big trips and ultimately you might cross more things off your bucket list and your species list. And you know, I think Untamed Pursuits one of the things that we do, we pursue different species, right. Like we all have a list of new fish we want to catch or new things we want to hunt, and I think by planning shorter trips you can kind of cross a couple of things more off the list. Oh, I think by planning shorter trips you can kind of cross a couple things more off the list.
Speaker 5:Oh, I think you can.
Speaker 6:And you know if I'm in the southeastern.
Speaker 5:US. Or you know you guys are in Ottawa, you know you can start thinking about strategies for that. You know, if I want to, let's say I'm going to Colorado and I want to go fly fish, you know. Or hunting, you know, let's say it's an antelope hunt in Colorado. Well, antelope's an animal that you really can't hunt. In two days You're going to see antelope, you're going to find them. It's not like a whitetail that you might be pursuing a certain buck for two or three years before you get a shot Antelope, you're going to see antelope.
Speaker 5:If I am flying from Charlotte, north Carolina, to Colorado Springs or Denver, let's say you know I'm picking up a couple hours as I'm heading west, you start thinking about little things like that. So suddenly, what does that do? Well, it means that you can. You know you can get a full day working on a Thursday. You're not having to leave at noon on Thursday, you can be at work. You know, let's say you get lucky and you get your antelope, maybe the morning of day two, you still have the rest of day two. Well, if you're in the Colorado Springs area, what does that mean? Well, it means you've got three or four different places along the South Platte River. If you've thrown a little four-weight or a five-weight in your bag, you know that you can go knock out a half a day of fly fishing, catch a couple of nice brown trout and have a great day of fly fishing.
Speaker 5:You know, maybe on day two, the afternoon of day two, the other thing I do is in that situation, let's say that I'm flying home on Sunday. Well, you're going to lose time, but you don't need to do a 6 am flight. You know, on Sunday, let's say you book a noon, or let's say you book a 2 pm flight home right from Colorado Springs. That's going to get you home around 8 o'clock at night, you know, and that's fine, you get home. You might miss dinner, dinner, but you're getting home sunday night. But what it does do is it means sunday morning. You can think about the drive from your camp wherever you were hunting, that drive, whether it's to the airport of colorado springs or the airport in denver. What I love to do that sunday after two days of activity, I love the sund Sunday because the Sunday I pick a route that I've never done and I have the best time. I'm not even necessarily hunting or fishing, of course, if you pass a small stream and you have a chance to get out, I'll go out and cast.
Speaker 5:But the point is you're seeing the country and I can't tell you how many times I've. You know that usually is the day I get the best pictures. You know I'll get a couple of fishing pictures or a couple of hunting pictures from Friday and Saturday, but the drive from camp to the airport on Sunday, which I might take four or five hours, leave early, man. Leave camp early. On Sunday. I've got five hours to spend doing nothing but take my time driving through the mountains, over those passes in Colorado, heading back to the airport. I'll get back and show my buddies the photos and they'll look at these gorgeous photos of the mountains and the roads and they're like God, you must have been gone for a month. Man, wish I could do that. I was like dude. That was Sunday afternoon, you know I mean it just. You know I just enjoyed a nice drive across the Colorado mountains. So you know you think about those tricks on how to extend your experience.
Speaker 5:The other thing you hit on such a great point is you talked about once it's booked and you know what's out there, it just gets you excited man, you know. You know, obviously you and I both of us have kids that are very involved in sports and both of us are very active parents with our kids, with sports, right. But I also love knowing I got that trip out there in three or four weeks and I'm excited about it. I'll start, you know, researching. Both of us are research nerds. Right, I'm a big research nerd. I'll be researching, you know, rivers in the area, other species, maybe to hunt. You know, I'll learn all about that place. I'm going so that I can make the most of that, whatever it is, two, three, four days, you know, and I love that part of it. That way you're enjoying the trip months before you actually go, because you're enjoying all the preparation for it.
Speaker 6:Yeah, you know, and I think in terms of travel I've done things a lot differently in the last probably two years where I've taken overnight flights and I've kind of sacrificed the sleep part a little bit, but at the same time it kind of maximizes your time.
Speaker 6:I've taken a couple of train trips, like overnight 12-hour train trips, where you bring your laptop with you, do a little bit of work, fall asleep when you're going from point A to point B when you're sleeping and then 5.30, guide picks you up at the airport and you're on the water by 7.30, right. So I think, planning a trip and trying to find the best way to get there it might not always be driving, it might be, you know, by taking the train or, you know, flying you can. If you bring your stuff that you need to do, you're not missing that much time. You can still get a little bit of work done. I know it's work and play, but at the same time, you know I've slept eight hours when and moved from point A to point B when I normally would be sleeping.
Speaker 5:I think you're exactly right, and and if you start thinking about that, you know you, just so you, let's say you do take the train. Well, to your point, that's time you can use to your advantage. Maybe you're catching up on some sleep. Not everybody can sleep on a flight. I can, man. I closed my eyes, I'm out in a second. So I do tend to take advantage of sleeping on those flights.
Speaker 5:But at the end of the day too, man, this is untamed pursuits, these are untamed trips. This is you're out in the wild, you're going to be tired and Sunday night's tough. I'm not going to say that. You know when you go out and you bust it hard if you're busting brush for a grouse in Minnesota for two days you know you come home Sunday you're sore, you're a little beaten up, but you got a great big grin on your face that you just had a heck of a trip with some good friends and got a couple birds and had a great experience at a cool, cool place. You know being tired is kind of okay. You know that kind of comes to the territory a little bit.
Speaker 6:You know, I think when we're 80 years old at the retirement home sitting around the coffee table, you're not going to remember how tired you are. You're going to remember the trips, memories, you know busting each other's chops and you know the catches and the things that you accomplished. So I think, yeah, it's got to do it. I got a good friend, Steve. I got to give him a shout out. He's one of those friends that you know he'll say, hey, we should do this. And then I get a calendar invite from him. He's like we're having a meeting Tuesday night seven o'clock and he'll send all the buddies together and then we talk and he goes next year in May we're going. I remember the one trip we went down for tarpon and he's like we've never caught a tarpon. Put it in the calendar next May we're going. This is the date. We have seven months to plan it. But everybody book it off work, we'll figure it out, and if it's not in the calendar it's not going to happen.
Speaker 5:Get it in the calendar. That's I mean, man. That is step one, and once it's in there, it's in there. It's in there, sir and I can't Right.
Speaker 5:If something pops up, it pops up, but you get it in there. And yesterday I penciled in, if you will, I wrote in an antelope hunt with our son. You know he's hunted out west with me a bunch of times. We're going to go out. I told him hey, you know, you do well in school and he graduated this year and so part of that was, hey, I'll take you antelope hunting. And well, we booked the days.
Speaker 5:It's not going to be a long trip, it'll be a. I think it's. I think it's two or three days of hunting max, and we'll probably do it in two, which means we'll fish. You know we're going to bring the fly rods and we'll fish for a day. It'll be a three and a half day trip at the end of the, at the end of the day, but we're going to have a great time. But we got it in the books. I called our, our outfitter, we got the dates, confirmed it with, you know, the family, and it's in the book. Man, just get that sucker written in and then it'll happen. You know, step one is getting it written in that calendar and that really seems to help make things happen.
Speaker 6:Yeah, one thing I love to do with a trip too, if you're picking a new city or you have a new species. Once you've achieved that species, I like to kind of have a secondary list of things that you want to do. Like you said, you're going hunting but you're bringing the fly rods too. Right, like, if I don't know, with certain species you're allowed, you know one animal and once that's done, you know it's cool to sit around the resort but at the same time, hey, you know if you can go catch a couple couple brook trout in the stream, or you know, whatever the case might be, if you figure out the alternatives in advance, you can really maximize your trip. And, like you said, a long weekend trip when you, when you've, you know, harvested a beautiful animal and then caught some fish, that's, that's one of those memory trips that you'll remember forever you know, what's so funny is a lot of times that backup stuff, this stuff sometimes can even be more memorable than the primary target of the trip.
Speaker 5:You know to your point. You know you go out and you know, let's say, you get a nice you know antelope or a nice mule deer out in Colorado, but then you go and you land a 22-inch brown trout in a tiny little spring creek. You know, you might remember the 22-inch brown more than the coolie or the antelope. You know another thing I do, and you know how much of a nerd I am on this, but I love bird watching. You know, I've been bird watching my whole life. I've got all my guidebooks, right, you know, from all over the world. I've got guidebooks from countries all over the world and I always take my bird book. And usually on a Sunday there's that Sunday drive from camp back to Denver, right? Well, that's four or five hours and I've got my binoculars in the rental car. You know I'm looking for birds. I might pick up three or four new species.
Speaker 5:When I'm all those years going up to Canada, man, you know, looking for great gray owls or snowy owls. You know that those are highlights, you know, and I'm still have yet to see either of those. By the way, those are no way. Of all the birding I've done in all those crazy places to this day, I've still never seen a snowy or great gray owl. And so I love that. By the way, you know, I know I've never landed a muskie on fly. I know I've never seen a great gray owl and that means I've got these, you know, these great goals right To keep us, you know, going on these pursuits, but let's talk about after, because I know a snowy owl spot when you get back up here Right and how cool would that be?
Speaker 5:You know, come up and fish for a couple days and complete a 40-year. You know, pursuit of a snowy owl. It would be fantastic.
Speaker 6:That's hilarious.
Speaker 5:You're exactly right, it's the other stuff you know while you're in these places. There's so many other cool things I will add real quick. A classic example of that is you know, I used to be part of a group and we would redfish Venice Louisiana every fall when the big fish would come in, and of course, venice Louisiana to get there. You're going through New Orleans and day one of that trip every year we would pick the various you know, would pick a new spot and would go hit the top. You know restaurants in New Orleans. You talk about a city with some great restaurants, holy cow. But what a highlight of that trip had nothing to do with the fishing, but everybody knew day one we're going to go have some fantastic you know. You know, um, you know food down to the bayou and that was as cool part of the trip as the fishing was.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I've been down to Patagonia twice and we usually have our stop in in juan esaras and, like you said, I can taste some of those steaks that I had and I think of the top three meals of my life, you know, in two trips. Oh man, I can taste that steak and that chimp cherry sauce. It's I. I think when you're, when you're on a fishing trip, whether it be a guided trip or whatever, it's the adventure to get there and what you see and what you do on the way there, and that's part of the planning. It's not just the species. And I think if you just focus on the species and it doesn't happen, people are often upset.
Speaker 6:But you know, like I said, I take the train to Gaspé to go salmon fishing. I'll purposely set my alarm. I can sleep. When I, like I said, when I take the train to Gaspé to go salmon fishing, I'll purposely set my alarm. I can sleep. I'm like you, I can sleep anywhere. But I'll set my alarm for sunrise at 440 and look out the window and then you're in the train, the sun's coming up and you're crossing some of the most legendary salmon waters you've ever seen and like. But if you're sleeping sleeping you wouldn't notice that right.
Speaker 6:So, as an angler, you're going by and the amount of stories and the amount of tales that have come from the rivers that you're traversing to get where you need to be, that if that doesn't psych you up for your trip, but that's, that's part of the whole journey to see and to soak in and, and you know, do that thing. And it's like when we travel too, I always I'd never go to, uh, chain restaurants, sorry, unless, unless the chain restaurant wants to sponsor us and all I would. I would rather kind of eat where the locals eat and find, like the one-off places and eat, you know, where the locals eat, and find the authentic, fun food of wherever you are right, like whether you're in South America or if you're, you know, southern US, like you said, like, eat what's there, don't get stuff that's flown in from somewhere else, and that's. I think the eating is part of the journey as well.
Speaker 5:Oh, it totally is. And, as you said, you know, at the end of the day, you are going somewhere to catch a fish. You are going, said you know, at the end of the day, you are going somewhere to catch a fish. You are going somewhere. You know if you're hunting, you're maybe pursuing a certain species, but these other memories are at least as equally you know, as exciting. Many times, I think, as the primary pursuit In the world of hunting. It can also open door to a. One of the tricks to save money as a hunter, and that is uh, that's what we call trophy fees, which are fees you pay for an additional species once you're already there. You said it a couple minutes ago and you were spot on. You're like you know if I'm going on a, you know if I'm going on a, uh, on a fishing trip, I'm going on a fishing trip, I'm going to be researching what are some of the other fish we can go pursue. It's like you and I, to this day, my best smallie ever was musky fishing with you. You never know what you're going to get, and if you get a smallmouth that's big enough to take one of those big musky flies, it's all the better. But that was a highlight of that trip. It had nothing to do with the musky flies. That's all the better, but that, you know, that was a highlight of that trip had nothing to do with the musky.
Speaker 5:So in the world of hunting you can, as you're looking at places, let's say, in this case you do think about Canada. Well, canada is a great example of a country where there are so many such a diversity of species. You know, you know, if you're hunting in Western Canada, for example, you might be sheep hunting, but you might be able to also, on that sheep hunt, you know, maybe you can get a tag to get a caribou as well, you know. Or maybe you can get a tag to get a moose. Well, the cost of that second animal if it's an animal that you wanted to hunt anyways, the cost of that second animal as an add on to a hunt you're already on, sometimes is 10 or 20 cents on the dollar. I mean. In other words, you know you, you, you might, you know you, you might spend, um, you know, seven, eight, nine, I mean huge money now for moose hunts. You know, the big Yukon moose, all the way up to $20,000. But even if you're thinking of spending, you know, seven, eight, nine, $10,000 on a moose hunt up in Canada. You might be able to go get a moose.
Speaker 5:You know, I did a moose hunt in Canada for $2,500 because I was up there sheep hunting. You know what I mean. And I'm already there. I've already paid for the air flight. We shoot out early. You got a couple extra days. Well, I had done my research and I knew that the area we were hunting had good moose, and I knew, and I picked an outfitter that had the capability of moving us to a moose camp and I said, well, here's my chance to go. You know, moose hunting for a fraction of the cost it would have. It would have been if I had actually set up a full fledged moose hunt and I was able to take advantage of already being there. You know, like you said, leveraging that time, it's every. All of us have limited resources time, money, all of it. You know we have to be smart about it, but that's one of those great tricks. You know you can add on to another trip by just doing your research and thinking about what are some of the other things I can do while I'm already there.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and I think you know, as, from the guide perspective, I've had, you know, trips where people show up. They got one day to catch a muskie and I realized it's not happening. But I can then say, hey, you know what? I know a great spot for smallmouth bass, or know what conditions are absolutely perfect right now for a trophy guard. You want to go get a bang, a 50 inch guard, pike off your your list and they're like what I didn't even know.
Speaker 6:They were there you know their trip is happy for something else, right, but research, research, research. I think that's, uh, that's, that's part of the keys to success when you're having a great trip.
Speaker 5:Well, and what's?
Speaker 5:funny is they come back from that trip, and you know which picture they're posting on Instagram. It's the guard. You know they might have gotten a decent smallmouth, but that 45-inch guard that they got with Jamie Pistelli on the Autobahn is such a freaking great photo. You know what I mean. That's the one that they end up sending and they don't even. They might not have even thought about it. As you said, it might not have thought about it, you know. It just became an add on to a trip. Or they might have done their research and said, hey, you know, listen, if conditions aren't great for the smallmouth or the muskie, this is a cool river Because you know there's so many other things we can go. Do you know there's?
Speaker 4:you know and and all of it still is a great adventure hi everybody.
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Speaker 6:So we've covered you know the planning aspect, but when it's time to go on your trip, it's a T minus. I'm a late minute packer always, but it's always important to have a list, you know so. When you're going on a trip Ryder, you've traveled a lot more than I have. I've been fortunate enough to hit a lot of great, great places, but you've seen the world probably more than most people that I know. So when you're going less a destination trip somewhere, that is way you know there's there's not a Walmart, there's no you know place near it, like you're going to you. You know you're flying a big airport and you're dropping a, dropping you off in a float plane. How do you go about packing um for these trips? Just so a you're comfortable, b you got what you need well, I tell you what.
Speaker 5:Um, I've got some, some thoughts on the packing and the planning and and. But even even before you get to those things, I think and we've touched on this a little bit with some of the other dynamics you know regarding, specifically, whitetail hunting and and and scent free clothing and how do you pack those things ahead of the season. Well, it's the same thing with planning for, for adventure travel. You know. A lot of it gets down to how are you, how are you storing your equipment? In other words, how do you have things organized before you start packing? And, of course, you hit it right on the head with you know, have that list. Most places you go, most good outfitters if you're going to go with a guide or an outfitter, most of those places on their website are going to have a page on that website that has a recommended gear list, and that's a great place to start. If you've got a friend who's been on the trip before or done this before, call them up and say, hey, what were some of the things that you know? What did you bring in? What are some of the things you're glad you had, you know, or what are some of the things you thought you needed but, yeah, you didn't really need. And all of that research ahead of time can result in that list you're talking about. But one of the things I spend a almost painful amount of time doing and it drives my wife crazy but when I get back from a trip, I spend a lot of time repacking, restoring, if you will, repacking my gear so that it's ready to go on the next trip. And what does that mean? Well, it means you know, after any given trip, if you come to our, you know, if you look down in the basement of my house after I've been on one of my trips, chances are what you're going to see are sleeping bags laid out open. You know, if it's a sunny day outside, they'll be outside on the back of the pickup truck, you know, off the tailgate. But if it's wintertime or you know if it's rainy outside, they'll be laid out all over the basement.
Speaker 5:Drying Fly lines my God, I've covered our house in drying fly lines. You know, because you know I'm going to clean those lines, I'm going to prep them. I don't recode them with uh casting um material every time, but at least I'm wiping them down. You know, even if you're fishing fresh water. They're like you said. There's areas that you're going to have, um, maybe it's, um, you know, maybe it's some algae or different blooms in the water, in the salt water. You need to do it anyways, because you know just the dynamics of the salt. So I'm always rinsing stuff off my reels, I'm always washing off and drying.
Speaker 5:The key is getting that stuff dried, and so I will have gear all over the house. I can't tell you how many times we've had our dogs come through a room that I've got fly lines laying around on the floor and then the dogs get tangled up. My wife gets mad and it's just a shit show, but it's. It's so important, um, and because if you, if you, if you really spend the time to properly store your equipment, then then a couple of things happen. One, uh, you're ready to go next time, that equipment's going to work properly, and nothing's worse than finally getting that duck trip to Saskatchewan lined up. And you get up there and your damn gun starts jamming because it wasn't stored properly and it's dumped up. Or you finally get that trip to the Keys put together and the drag system on the reel's all messed up because it never got cleaned and it's kind of gotten gunked up. Well, by having that equipment, it'll be ready to go.
Speaker 5:Number two if it's organized, you know what you have. And I'm laughing because I think of all the times I've been to fly shops and bought stuff I didn't need, you know, and now I've learned that. I've learned that lesson the hard way. I didn't need those extra three boxes of flies. I didn't need those extra five envelopes of tippet. I've got them. Now I've got my shelves in our basement. I've got a storage closet with shelves and I've got them lined up and I know what I've got. And so it's organized and it's ready to go. The more you do that, that will make the packing part easier, because you'll quickly know what you need to go out and buy, if anything, and you know everything's easy to get to and it's ready to pack.
Speaker 5:From a packing standpoint, a couple different things. One of the things I have started using I said started I've been doing it now for 20 years with these cents and they're just invaluable but compression bags. I don't know if you've ever used those, jamie, but you know those. The compression bag is basically a mini duffel bag that you can wad full of, usually clothes. What the point of it is is to compress, get the air out. So it's definitely something for clothes, more so than equipment. But compression bags are really effective and you can get three or four of them. They're not expensive. You push them down, you compress them, you can ratchet them down and at the end of the day, you end up with, you know what might have taken up half your suitcase of clothes. End up with. You know what might have taken up half your suitcase of clothes. You can, you can compress them down into these little mini duffel bags and they take up, you know, 20% of your of your, of your big bag, instead of two thirds of the big bag, and you know it.
Speaker 5:Just it's a. It's a smart way to pack. I don't have you ever used those compression bags, man. They're so helpful.
Speaker 6:I have not, and that's something I'm going to check into and I've gone on trips where I think one thing is essential too is checking carry-on regulations and such right. I remember I went down to Patagonia and they said, oh, you can bring a two-piece rod, which a four-piece rod will fit inside your carry-on, but you have to bring a two-piece rod separately because the case is, you know, four feet or whatever. I remember bringing that rod with such a pain in the ass. I got sent through different securities and they're going through all my stuff and my buddies are pissed off that we're a little late. So I think, checking the weight regulations and checking that, I love the idea of a system like a compression bag where you can bring what you need to bring and have everything with you.
Speaker 6:A lot of the places, depending on the lodges you go to too, you don't need 15 changes of clothes. Some of them will wash your clothes when you're. When you're there, you know you, you put them on the end of your bed, um, you come back, it's all folded up. So if you have a you know kind of dress for each um weather situation, whether it be rain, heat, um, make sure you have what you do maybe a couple different t-shirts, underwear and such socks, but you don't need to bring your whole closet. You're not a passion before fashion, as they say.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, no, you hit on such a great point. You know a lot of lodges, a lot of places do do have some type of a laundry service. You know I was. I was cleaning. You know, um, you know Minnesota woods, um, uh, mud, and you know stuff off of my clothes. You know, coming back from that trip, we stayed in a little cheap hotel outside of Duluth, minnesota, and had a little laundry room and we just knocked it out.
Speaker 5:Man, I mean, if you get access to something like that, you can really save time. There's a big difference of bringing two or three changes of clothes versus seven or eight. It's just many times you don't need to do that. The other nice thing about those compression bags is, again, you get three or four of them. Well, one of them you can use for your undergarments. One of them, maybe you put a big, you know, maybe it's a heavy coat and instead of you know talk about something you can fill up a suitcase a big heavy coat. Well, put your heavy coat in one of those. Ninety percent of that coat is probably air and you can compress it down to nothing you know and fit it in there.
Speaker 5:Another trick I learned and these are all tricks I've learned the hard way, every one of these, you know I'm not smart enough to figure this out early. These are from mistakes I've made over the years and I finally have figured out easier ways to do it. Well, one of the very simple things I started doing was if I'm on a fishing trip, then I like to have a waterproof bag I can bring with me and whether, if I'm wading, and I'm you know, and I like to have what I can have on my shoulders like a backpack.
Speaker 5:If I'm going out with a guide in a boat. Let's say you know you and I are heading out in your boat, jamie Well then I've got a waterproof bag. I can keep a raincoat in there, I can keep my camera in there, I can have a little container for my wallet in there and it's all going to stay dry. If I'm hunting, I like to have a backpack that's going to have maybe a raincoat or a heavier coat. It's going to have maybe a range finder in there. It's going to have different gear surely binoculars, although I usually just wear my binoculars around my neck but it's going to have gear there as well. I like to use backpacks because I like to shoot off of backpacks If I can get prone.
Speaker 5:If I'm hunting in the Western US, there's usually opportunities to take prone shots. Now, if I'm in the Eastern US, which is thicker cover, you're not going to have that. And if you're in Africa, where you have grass, you're surely not going to have that. You'll be up on sticks. But in the Western US, you know, you really do have legitimate chances for prone shots. If you're going to be prone. What a great way to set up a prone shot and be able to have a big, you know, puffy backpack you can lean into and rest your rifle on. Well, I finally learned that I can. Whatever it is, whether it's a waterproof backpack for a fishing trip or a regular backpack, that's my carry-on, and it sounds goofy. There's probably listeners saying oh man, you know, we knew that years ago. Well, it just.
Speaker 5:There were many times I would have a carry-on and then I would pack the backpack, you know and I realized, make it one of the same, you know, and your carry-on for that flight is the same backpack you're going to use out of the field. That way you're only taking your carry-on, which is your backpack, either waterproof or not, based on what type of trip you're on. You got a big suitcase and then you might have a fly rod case or maybe you've got a gun case. A lot of these suitcases now have hard bottoms where you can line up your fly rod tubes at the bottom of the suitcase. Top half of the suitcase is soft. You're packing that up with your compression packs and suddenly you're going on pretty.
Speaker 5:You know you can pretty much go anywhere with a carry-on backpack, a big suitcase and, you know, maybe a gun case, and you're rocking and rolling the dynamics you want to. You know you mentioned fly rods. You know. Well, let's talk about that for a second. You know the difference of a four-piece or a five-piece versus the old three-pieces right, were such a big move from the two-pieces which didn't let you do anything. I remember when Sage and others went to three-pieces and it was such an advance. Now, of course, it's four and five. When you do those trips. Jamie, do you have a preference there? I have found that four-piece rods are such a sweet spot now for travel, right? I mean, just at the end of the day, you know, that just seems to be the magic size for most suitcases today is a four-piece rod.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and you know what A four-piece rod. You can get it into your regular checked baggage. A lot of airlines right now especially if you're going international charge you extra for having this and that and this and that. So I think, as much as it's great to bring your favorite two-piece rod on with you, I think it'll cost you in the long run by doing that instead of actually checking it and go, hey, I'll see my rod when it gets there. I know we all have our favorite rods and want to make sure it's safe, but at the same time, if it's in a sturdy case, you don't have to worry about it. It's going to be there when you get to the other side and ultimately, you're not going to have any delays because you need special security to look at what you got.
Speaker 5:Well, I tell you, I'm the least between you and I and any listeners we have. I promise you, I'm the least technical person involved in this show. Right now. We're either talking or listening. But I have another little trick that I have finally, in my dark ages, really realized the value of. Are these ID tags, these Apple ID tags? I don't know if you've used those yet. They are so. They're cheap, they're easy. You, literally, you know I'm talking as though I did it and, in fairness, my kids had to help me set it up. But you know, you register with your iPhone or your cell phone, whatever it is you use, and you just toss it in the bag. Well, I have one of them identified as my suitcase, I have one of them identified as my backpack, and I have one of them identified as my gun case.
Speaker 5:So you know S for suitcase, b for backpack, g for gun case, and they all just get thrown in those bags. So when you talk about you know, hey, I really don't want that, that's a special fly rod. I don't want to lose the fly rod. All of us worry about that. I don't care if it's a fly rod or a special shotgun or maybe that rifle that's taking me, you know, all this time to get sighted in. You finally got all the gear set up and your scope. You sure the heck don't want to lose that.
Speaker 5:Well, these ID tags, these, these little air tags, are called, I think, air tags. You just throw them in your bag and then your phone tracks them on. You can just pull up Google earth and you can see where those bags are. And it's just, sometimes, it's just makes you feel good knowing. Okay, you know we, we left North Carolina, we've landed in Saskatchewan and now I can see that my bags are, at least you know, in the Saskatoon airport, for example. Right, you know, at least you know they made it. It might not be in your hands yet, but at least you know they're there at the airport. So those things, man, I've been using since I learned about those about a year ago. I think those were Christmas presents for everybody in our family a year ago and I've used them non-stop and for everybody in our family a year ago. I've used them nonstop and you know I just love them. That's a great idea.
Speaker 6:There's nothing worse than losing your luggage, but if you do, at least you know it's like okay, I just landed in Saskatoon, why is my stuff still in Vancouver?
Speaker 5:Oh, totally Exactly. Why has bag number two? Why is that still showing in Vancouver? Well, at least you know where it is.
Speaker 6:It's not helping you on the trip. Why is my rifle in the forest right now?
Speaker 5:Exactly, exactly right. Why is it on Route 81 heading south, when it's supposed to be in the airport In any event? I don't know if that's worse, right, that actually might be worse. Oh, that's funny, any tips.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I was just in New York with my daughter, right. So part of international travel is crossing borders. So I've been a border idiot a couple times and I think it's kind of good to address the do's and don'ts at a border, right. Like, yeah, there are certain things that are obvious. You know don't make any jokes this and that, Like, the people that are working there have a very serious job, they're trying to prepare you know very serious things, but in your experience, what are the do's and don'ts of crossing international boundaries?
Speaker 5:Yeah, you know the first thing I do, obviously, in our world of US and Canada, that's pretty darn straightforward. I think the last time I fished with you, we actually flew into Syracuse, new York, and drove over, and then, of course, we've also flown into Ottawa. When you're doing a border like the US and Canada, those are pretty straightforward and to me, those rules are the common sense rules, which are, you know, be courteous, follow the rules, be courteous. And a lot of times at borders, folks are very sensitive about taking photos. I've seen people, you know, get questioned by a guard because they were photographing the customs room at the airport or they're in a toll crossing and they start taking pictures. They might literally just be taking a selfie, you know, for fun, but that's not the time to be doing photos when you're at those points of crossing. That's the time to put away the phone and just follow the rules and be courteous and go through the process.
Speaker 5:A lot of the you know some of the crazy trips I do, I get involved or I'm you know Some of the crazy trips I do, I get involved, or I have maybe more remote and exotic borders maybe than the US-Canada border and for a lot of those countries. If I'm, let's say, traveling in remote parts of South America, or if I'm traveling in remote parts of Africa, I'm actually researching what are the requirements in each country. You need to do that research ahead of time. Each country will have its own requirements, not only for crossing the border, but they'll have documentation requirements and they will also have vaccination requirements. If you're going to be traveling, you know, in third world countries when you're going back and forth with USA, canada, you don't have to worry about that. But if you're traveling from a, you know, from a third world country A to third world country B, you need to be thinking also about what are the requirements, documentation wise, but also vaccination wise, to do that and a lot of times that planning.
Speaker 5:that is a lot of the planning you're doing months, sometimes even, you know, a year or two ahead of that trip. You're surely starting that process easily six months out and sometimes 12 months out. That might mean if you're going to be going into remote parts of South America, you know there may be maybe it's a yellow fever requirement If you're going into certain parts of Africa. Well, if you're, you know they call it the malaria line. The malaria line is a is a artificial, is an invisible line, that kind of cuts across southern Africa where, basically, in a nutshell, the weather conditions make it less likely that you're going to have the mosquito populations where you're dealing with malaria. And so you can. You can actually travel to Africa and have incredible adventures in Africa below the malaria line, where you don't have to worry about malaria, a lot of folks. That's all part of learning about these places. I didn't realize that, yeah, you can, you can do that. And if you, that's all part of learning about these places. I didn't realize that, yeah, you can, you can do that. And if you stay in certain areas, you know, if you go to South Africa, for example, if you're up at Kruger National Park, there are many times, even though that's probably below the malaria line. Kruger is one of those areas where they do recommend malaria vaccine or the malaria pills not a vaccination, but pills you would take Other parts of South Africa, you're the whole trip. You know you might be below the malaria line and you don't need to bring, you don't need to take the malaria pills. So you're thinking about all those other types of things.
Speaker 5:Some tricks that I do. Number one I always am extremely well versed on what the documentation and vaccination requirements are. In other words, by the time I'm crossing that border, I have those documents and I have not only have I gotten the vaccinations, but I also have the proof. In other words, I have my vaccination record with me at all times.
Speaker 5:A lot of listeners might be saying to themselves well, I'm not going to be going third world, third world, you know, it's just on a more traditional, normal type of crossing, the least you know, the least that I do. For example, let's say, if you're going to be hunting or fishing in Europe and you're crossing borders, and that doesn't get involved in the vaccination dynamics you might have in South America or Africa, you're still crossing borders and each country is going to have its own requirements. So this fall, for example, I'm going to be in Scotland and we're going to be pheasant hunting in Scotland our group, we're going to be coming through Amsterdam just for ease of just the way the logistics are working well, even though Amsterdam is in essence a, a carryover right, stop on the way. In other words, we're not even spending the night. We're flying from the United States to Amsterdam. We're in the airport in Amsterdam for a couple hours.
Speaker 5:And then we fly to Great Britain. Well, even though you're only at that airport for a couple hours, you still have documentation requirements because you are in that country. Then we fly to Great Britain. Well, even though you're only at that airport for a couple hours, you still have documentation requirements because you are in that country and you have deplaned. In other words, you're in the airport.
Speaker 5:And so one of the tricks I always do is I always print out the documentation. A lot of the stuff's online and it sounds crazy, but I print it and I bring it in a folder, and I always bring three copies. So if there is a let's say, there's an immigration document you need, well, I'm going to fill it out ahead of time and I'm going to have three copies. And the reason I bring three copies is sometimes the officers at the border crossing need their own copy. Well, that means if you've only got one and they take that, you may need that for the way home, and so I always bring three. My thought is that way somebody can keep one for the record if they need it at the border, and I still have an extra for the return process home, and then I've also got an extra just in case somebody loses it.
Speaker 5:The other thing I do it's a little trick, but I keep two different sets of those. For example, let's say I have three copies of those documents. Well, I might keep two in a folder, put that in my carry-on backpack. So I've got them with me. That third copy, I put that in a separate folder and that goes in my bag. And that way, just in case the bag gets lost, I still have mine in the backpack.
Speaker 5:Let's say the backpack God forbid gets lost. Well, I've got an emergency copy of my documents to cross those borders in another bag.
Speaker 5:So not only do I make, three copies, but I separate them at least somehow, so they're in two different pieces of equipment. And then finally, with passports. You always make copies of your passports. Cell phones are so easy now. You can take a photo of your passport and just keep it in your photos. That's great to have. I do that, and then I also tend to just make a couple printed copies just to have it, just in case. You know, those are little tricks, you know at some of the more exotic if you will.
Speaker 5:You know border crossings that you know that I like to prepare for.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and I think you know. Even when you're going across Canada, US, one thing that's essential is your story checks out. They're looking for flaws in the system. So you have to go across confident. You have to know where you're going, how long you're staying. It might sound really simple, but have, like you said, a printed copy of the hotel you're staying at, or the resort or the whatever. This is the day you're arriving and this is when.
Speaker 6:I'm coming home and I think if you're not coming home, oftentimes they're going to be a little skeptical on your actual trip and then they're going to start to ask you more questions. So I think I went with my daughter last weekend to New York and we were staying in. We went to New York City. That was the ideal goal, but we were staying in New Jersey right across. But we stayed in a town called New York, new Jersey, which was great until the guy asked me where are you going? And I said we're going to New Jersey. And then he said well, what town are you staying in? I said New York and then the guy said well, you just lied to me. You said you're going to New Jersey and our whole everything kind of started off bad.
Speaker 6:He thought I was lying to him, so, but I did have a printed copy of where we were staying and I gave it to him. And he goes oh, I didn't even know that was a suburb of New Jersey, right, he thought. So having a copy of where you're going, where you're staying, it shows A you're going there with a purpose, you're not just going to go and do whatever, but it also shows that when you're coming home. So if you go and be courteous with the smile, make sure your sunglasses aren't on, like you said, get off your phone and, you know, keep all jokes. I have a hard time with the joke part, I don't, but ultimately your jokes, your jokes are bad, whether you're at the customs office or outside of the customs office right, the people that don't find me funny are customers.
Speaker 6:You know, you just wait. You know exactly. Hold on to that.
Speaker 5:Hold on to that bad joke, Jamie. Let's tell that bad joke an hour from now, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 6:So, anyway, folks, thank you guys again for listening. Kind of a different spin on our show today. We're, you know, a hunting and a fishing show, but we're also a travel show. So we're out there to give you different tips, not only to find the most exotic and great people to fish or hunt with, but we're also here to help you make sure your trip goes well. I'm Jamie Pistilli here with my trusty sidekick, ryder Knowlton. Thanks so much for listening to Untamed Pursuits on the Outdoor Journal Radio Podcast Network. We'll check you guys again next week. Cheers.
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