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I don't know what just happened to our countdown there, but apparently it ran short and it flipped us and yeah, here we are, here we are. I thought I could get out one last little hack before we got in there and apparently not, apparently not there. So, uh, we are live tonight here on this Sunday. It's a great Sunday well, I shouldn't say great it's uh, it's a subpar Sunday and we're gonna get into it tonight here on the show. We want to talk about that Packers game and wow, it was. Yeah, it was what we've seen all season long. Let's just go with that. Against good teams, against the top three seeds of what's going to be in the NFC. This is what we've seen all season long. So it's put a lot of question marks on this Packers team, a lot of question marks.
Speaker 3:I guess we were feeling good about heading into this one we no longer feel good about. So we're going to get into that. Talk a little bucks Brewers. They fleece that burns deal. We want to get into that later on in the show here. So we got lots to get into tonight. But I got aaron with me tonight on the show. Aaron, how we doing on this sunday your eagles got the big win. They completely obliterated the cowboys. So I mean, you're feeling good?
Speaker 1:yeah, I can't, I can't lie to you. I mean it's and not to add insult, injury. I know the pack, the Packers have you in a little bit of a sore spot. I know how that is. Trust me, it's not like we're even getting the one seed. There's work to be done.
Speaker 1:I've always been a Kenny Pickett guy man, as much as he at times looks like the worst quarterback to ever play. There's something about the guy. I even rooted for him at Pitt and I hate Pitt Seeing him go out there and then you know it sucks. He can't even finish the game. But yeah, I mean, whenever you beat up on Dallas, I mean Dallas fans now are just saying, you know, oh well, we pretty much punted the rest of the year anyway. No, you didn't. Now it's excuses. So just being those people, you know, beating that team and their fan base and a bunch of crybabies is always good. So yeah, no pun intended, flying pretty high. But yeah, I mean, we're not even in the. You know, yes, we won the division, but we'll see. The playoffs picture is changing. You know, game by game, like things can happen. So it's just, you know, we'll wait and see. But this week at least was was all right, it was pretty good they locked up the two seed though, right I?
Speaker 3:think that's for sure they locked up that two seed which is, I mean, good, I guess Good for the Eagles there. It's going to be between Minnesota and the lions next week to decide the number one seed. And you know, Dustin was on it the other day. He said the other day he said if the vikings win and we know it, it's going to be because they, you'll know, the nfl is rigged.
Speaker 3:If the vikings win this game and I was like thought about that today. I was like maybe, just maybe you know that they had that encroachment call on edgar and cooper and he never really crossed the line. It's like maybe, just maybe they're trying to throw this game the other way. But you know, there was a lot and I've seen people talking about that one call and everything like that. There was a lot of things that went wrong in this game for the Packers that were not. That call did not affect this game to that point, you know.
Speaker 3:I mean you look at the games the Packers have played against good teams. Look at the first game against Minnesota at home 28 to nothing. You were in a hole Against the Lions 28 to nothing. You were in a hole against the lions 24 to three. You went down against the Vikings again. You went down against the lions, again on the road before you came back. So you had another game against the Vikings on the road where you came back late. Not good enough, right? You've had all these games, eagles too. I mean look at the Eagles. They put up 30 plus points on you. You look at all these good teams and what they're able to do on your defense and what your offense has done in those games.
Speaker 3:Slow starts I mean we talked about it after that Lions game on the road. You take those first three drives the Packers had against the Lions and absolutely nothing was cooking and all of a sudden they just decided let's turn it on right In this one. They waited until about the fourth quarter before they said, hey, let's do something today, let's make some magic with nothing. They made it interesting, but then it came down to can the defense get a stop right? We're going to get into defense a little bit more here, but looking at this game, I mean I'm going to look. I want to start right away. Right, first drive you fumble it on the opening drive. Josh Jacobs lays it on the turf there. Terrible start right. But then your defense gets a stop, forces the Vikings to punt it away. Your next drive, your next drive, and I don't get it. You go away from the run game. We talked about it. We talked about it from the last matchup. We said the biggest problem we were looking at was Josh Jacobs had limited carries. Where does this Packers team thrive? On the back of Josh Jacobs? Yeah, you want Jordan Love to do his thing and you want the game wreckers to get involved and everything like that, but you got to have your solidified run game. If you're the Green Bay Packers Second drive of the game, after the Vikings just punted it back to you, you start at your own 15-yard line.
Speaker 3:First play incomplete pass to Romeo Dobbs. Second play First play incomplete pass to Romeo Dobbs. Second play you try to take a shot to Wicks Incomplete Third play yes, yes, yes, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, there was a drop pass. I believe Wicks dropped the pass there on that drive. It was catchable. Sure, it was catchable, but it wasn't a great throw right. But three straight pass attempts and then you punt the ball back to him. I don't know what you're on the 15 yard line, your own 15.
Speaker 3:I get Josh Jacob just fumbled the football. I understand that. But what does that mean? Go away from him, your star, your star running back. I mean, if I was an Eagles fan I'd be pissed if the Eagles went away from Saquon Barkley just because he fumbled the ball, the drive before. Now I'm not going to say that's the reason why they went away from on that second drive, but you know what I'd be pissed if the if the Eagles went through a drive without giving the ball to Saquon Barkley and it went three and out. I'd be pissed, I would be irate. Same with Henry. Same with Bijan Robinson for the Falcons, right. Same with Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3:How do you go through a drive and you go three and out and Josh Jacobs doesn't touch the football? That is ridiculous. He better have had some kind of injury. There must've been something that they were seeing. I don't know what it was. They were going to stint you. They're going to throw stunts at you all game long. They were going to make it look like they were bringing heat all the time. So what were were going to make it look like they were bringing heat all the time. So what were you going to do? Just go away from the run game. That was your plan. That was the big, bright plan was just go away from it. They went back to it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but that second drive just irritates me so much. I mean, aaron, you're hearing it, we talked about it. We're like what can you not do? Go away from Josh Jacobs. What did they do? Went away from Josh Jacobs on the of the game. That's where you get back into it. Right, you just fumbled it. You get the ball back, your defense gets to stop, you get the ball back and then you end up going three and out. What kind of statement are you making?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean, and then you you put a guy that's probably. I mean you know they're all human, like as good as players these are and and you know they block out the outside noise. If you're josh jacobs, you're probably thinking like, okay, yeah, like give me the rock again. But you know, when you don't get it three straight times, you're like you're probably looking at LaFleur, you're probably looking at the OC, like, okay, what, what's up? You know I mean don't, don't take me out of the game plan just because I made a mistake. Like now you're almost thinking more like you're, and, and when he gets the ball he's probably pressing a little bit more, because it's like I see how it is if I make a mistake in a big game. You know like all those psychological things, like I'd almost give him the ball on first down just to ensure, hey, you know we get. You know mistakes happen. You don't want to see it. You know it's not like we're not going to make excuses for it, but you know you're all human, you make a mistake. I almost give it to him on first down just to say you know, hey, we got your back. You know, like, get back in there and figure it out and yeah, I mean that's that doesn't send the best message.
Speaker 1:I mean watching you know I didn't get to see all every minute of this game, but bits and pieces and like kind of watching it as we're talking here, a lot of it that I missed. I mean Minnesota's defense just had extreme, like you could just tell they had so much confidence Like early on, they're just flying around, like they're going a hundred miles an hour. The pass rush was crazy early on. So to negate that slow down the game, you want to get Josh Jacobs involved and you know just kind of settle things.
Speaker 1:Like we talk about the Packers settling in the game sometimes, which has been, you know, a little bit of a problem, like settle into the game, get a little bit of a problem. Like settle into the game, get a little bit of a drive going. Don't just when you go three and out on three pass attempts, your defense is probably like come on, man, like we just got off, like that that's a hard, that's a hard pill to swallow. I don't care what team it is, it's a hard. You know adjustment where it's like okay, we're right back out there, right after we just, you know, came off the field, because I mean mean with pass plays, you know, if you're not letting the play clock run down, I mean it's like boom, boom, boom and then punt like right away.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I agree. And you know, like you're saying three straight, three straight passes, and you're off the field, just like that, and then you give the ball right back to them. You're not settling into a game Like you mentioned. You're not settling into that game, you're just, I don't know, trying to go with the flow of it. Right, you're trying. The Vikings want you to throw the football, that's what they want. They want you to see what they're bringing and say, ah, we're not going to send Josh Jacobs up there because he's just going to get cracked in the hole. Let's try to throw the ball a little bit, right, and how'd that work? How'd it work out? You can't go away from it. That irritates the crap on me. But, aaron, I'm going to be honest with you. We're going to dive deeper into this game here in a minute, but I'll be honest with you right now.
Speaker 3:The Packers are the third best team in the NFC North. I know we were trying to argue it. We were trying to say you know, the Packers, vikings, they're on the same level and the lions were right above them. And then all of a sudden the lions got that injury problems. And then we're like okay, now the playing field's kind of leveling there. The Packers are the third best team in the NFC North right now. I mean I want to give them the benefit of the doubt. I do, I really do, but we've seen it now. I mean, look at the games they've played right, look who they've lost to. Where's your difference make? I mean, they lost to the Eagles in the opening game. Now it's the opening game, so you try to get bits and pieces out of that.
Speaker 3:You're still getting into the field the second game against the Vikings or the first game against the Vikings there Jordan Love was just coming back, but you lose that one. You lost to the Lions 24-14 at home. You go on the road, you lose by three to the Lions and then you have this game against the Vikings on the road where I mean, and you didn't look good, your offense didn't look good. There was moments, right, there was moments when they went up-tempo. When they were up-tempo, it looked good. But it's like you cannot run up-tempo the entire game. You're going to be gassed by the second quarter. You got to be able to slow things down, and when they slow things down it just doesn't work. So then it comes back to. Are we blaming Matt LaFleur for his play calling? I think so, because there were some questionable play calls.
Speaker 3:We talked about that second drive where they went three straight pass plays. I'm getting you know what? I don't even care. I'm getting Josh Jacobs confidence back on the first play of the second drive. That's what I'm doing. I'm giving him the football and I'm saying run that baby straight ahead, get me four yards and let's set this drive up right. Right, you're on the 15. You're on your own 15-yard line. You're on the second drive of the game. You're not trying to go up tempo, you're not trying to get the ball down the field fast. It's a nothing-nothing game. Your defense just held the stand for you. Give them a break, start a drive. We talk about it all the time Time of possession, controlling the clock and everybody wants to talk about playmakers.
Speaker 3:They have a boatload right. Justin Jefferson, jordan Addison, tj Hawkinson. They have all the playmakers in the world. How do you stop them right? You don't. But the easiest way, keep on the sideline. Keep them over there, right. Don't let them get on the field. Don't let them beat you.
Speaker 3:Now, today it was Naylor. Josh Naylor comes out of nowhere and, just, I mean, catches everything in his sight against the Packers. That kind of hurts you, right. But I mean, outside of that, it's keeping him on the sideline and I thought at times the play calling in this one, you watch him and it's second down and we're sending four guys deep on deep cross routes, whatever it is, and I'm like we have five yards to go. Why are we trying to burn them deep right now? Why not just take a little dump pass here, get those five yards and just move the chains? What are we doing right now? And I mean, you look at the targets in this one and Jaden Reed once again, jaden Reed's struggling, dropping the football right now, but he had one catch in the entire game there for six yards. That's one of your big playmakers, right? We said it going into this. Give it to the psychos, the beaters, right, the ones that you, your playmakers. Tucker Craft he had a good day, right. Two catches for 53 yards. I mean, two catches for 53 yards is impressive out of a tight end, but two catches for 53 yards, he did his thing, right. We have. Dontavion Wicks had a pretty good day. Romeo Dobbs had a good day. But then you look at Reed one catch on four targets for six yards Didn't give you much, josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3:69 yards on the ground on 17 carries. I gotta be honest with you. I don't want Josh Jacobs and Aaron Jones to have the same amount of carries and are close to the same amount of carries in a game there. I mean there are five difference in there. Like Josh Jacobs, I want him 20 to 25. Like, that's where I love to see Josh Jacobs. He's at 17 carries here.
Speaker 3:Now I know once again what is the reason. We dug ourselves a hole. We put ourselves backs against the wall. We're down big and we have to try to find. It's a 27-10 game and we've got to try to find a way to dig ourselves out of that hole fast.
Speaker 3:So now Josh Jacobs is a non-factor. It happens so many times, repetitively, over and over again, and to this point I mean right now, this packers offense it's hit or miss. It is it's hit or miss one, one drive. I'm like, yeah, jordan love is that dude. He can be that dude, and I still say it. He can be that dude, but I don't, I don't see it. On a drive by drive, basisdrive, basis. Right Today, I could have honestly told you Sam Darnold's good. Sam Darnold's good and you know what. It might be the coaching right. It might be the coach that he has in the room, it might be the playmakers that he has, it might be the system right, but Sam Darnold fits that system and he plays it well.
Speaker 3:Today, jordan Love and Matt LaFleur got outclassed. They got outdone. The entire Packers team got outclassed and outdone. This was dominance. I'm not even looking at the final score, because this final score those were. If you realistically think about it, this was garbage time points. This was garbage time points. The Vikings were just hanging on to a lead and I know it sounds cliche to say they were just hanging on to a lead, but in all reality they were hanging on to a lead because there was moments in this game where, if the Vikings wanted to, they could have picked us apart Defensively. They could have picked us apart. We're playing this zone defense because we don't have a secondary that can match up with anybody. Now, I know it's hard to match up with the likes of Jefferson Addison, and then Naylor goes off.
Speaker 2:so it's like what the heck right?
Speaker 3:but I mean, you had that play where he had the touchdown pass. How does he get wide open, going over the top there and nobody's in the area code, nobody even knows where Naylor's at. Who blew the coverage there, right, and in that little that play at the end there, um, the Packers needed to stop on that. Uh, third down, little acres pass over the top. Who had acres? Who was supposed to be out there?
Speaker 3:The defensive lapses, those little things, it's the little things with the Packers and we thought, you know this is where I'm circling back to why I think they're the third best team. The NFC North is because last season we were like they're a young team, right, but they're going to grow out of these things. They're going to grow out of these things. They're going to grow out of the problems, the pre-snap penalties, those little things that we always look at. We're like that's the reason why they lose games. And this season we thought they were growing out of this stuff. But in this one, seven penalties again, pre-snap penalties, illegal formations. On a first down you get an illegal formation and all of a sudden you, you got to back it up, back the chains up, right Offensive holding calls, those stupid little things in a game that just kill a drive, kill momentum, kill it all. They haven't outgrown that and it's reared its ugly head one more time in a game against the Vikings, in a big game.
Speaker 3:Right, this is a big game because now, if the commanders win tonight and even if the Packers win next week, I don't know who has the tiebreaker there. I don't know who has the tiebreaker between the commanders and the Packers to get that seat, because right now the Packers 11 and 5. If the commanders win, they would move to 11 and 5 and then they both. Well, the Packers got the Bears next week and the commanders would have. Oh, who the heck do the commanders play? It must, must be in division there. Do they have the Cowboys next week?
Speaker 1:Let's see, let's see.
Speaker 3:Who do they play next week, I wonder?
Speaker 1:Commanders, who do they got next week? Yeah, cowboys, yep Cowboys.
Speaker 3:So they got Cowboys. Next week. Even if they win that game, I think they might get ahead of the Packers Because they put head-to-head record and then they put common opponents and if they have that win against the Eagles, so I think they would have the head-to-head. So then the Commanders move up to that sixth spot and now the Packers would drop to the seven. And guess where the Packers got to go?
Speaker 3:Week one of the playoffs they're traveling to Philly to take on the Eagles and that's one place you didn't want to go in the first game of the playoffs to get your feet wet. So I mean, aaron, you saw a little bit of this game. You watch this Packers offense. You've seen this Packers offense. Now it just when the, when the lights are shining at their brightest, right now this Packers offense just doesn't seem to have the giddy up in the start of the game. In the start they find it late, but it's almost too late. Then you're trying to play catch up, then you're trying to play hurry up, then you're not actually getting the full effect of what your offense actually could be, which is leading to a lot of these games.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, I mean I think you know, definitely, touching on the offensive point of view, I just thought early, like you know, early on, they just looked a little like overweight. It looked like the like you kind of said the moment was too big, like it was they couldn't slow things down as far as like a collective unit and like, just okay, guys, we you know we didn't get off to the start we wanted but let's bounce back here Like there was no, like okay, we're going to figure this out early. And that's like that's when you get concerned, cause you're you're shipping your defense right back on the field. I mean watching that like to open up that third, the third quarter, after the half, after basically the penalty to get to re-kick that field goal, and then the Vikings do get it, then that drive after half, that's like a backbreaker, because I mean I'm not saying you need a three and out, but I mean ideally that's what you want. Like in a perfect world, if your team executes, boom, minnesota has a three and out, you get the ball right back. You know you're down. What 13-3?
Speaker 1:At that point and the game feels a lot different. You know the Vikings kind of go right down the field and then they throw that bomb to Addison in the corner, like and that's like man, you know, staring at 20-3, and that place is rocking like that place goes crazy. That's tough, that's, it's just. You know, eventually momentum is just like it mounts, you know it mounts. It's like a snowball going downhill. Eventually it turns into a boulder and then it's, you know, ok, how are we going to find it offensively? I think no matter what. Like, when a team has a big lead like that, they're going to play less aggressive.
Speaker 1:I think the Vikings even at times didn't play less aggressively. They still. I mean they tried to bury that Packers O-line who I thought had kind of a rough, not a terrible day, but not a great day. Right, it was like they were trying to just figure it out out there. So it's yeah, I mean the slow starts will kill you. I mean especially, I mean I've been kind of saying all year Sam Darnold would fall off a cliff. I mean I guess, especially, I mean I've been kind of saying all year Sam Darnold would fall off a cliff. I mean this game especially. He didn't, unfortunately. But it's yeah, that Vikings team when they play collectively like they did today, I mean they're a damn good football team, which I mean even the Eagles.
Speaker 1:Like I don't know that Vikings team, they're better than I want to give them credit for a lot of the time. But like today I'm like I'm not going to say the Packers didn't play, you know, poorly for most of the game, but like I do kind of think wow, like this Vikings team is when they're firing on all cylinders, it's like wow, it's hard to believe that Sam Darnold can do this, but he's been doing it all year now and I can say that. But I mean, yeah, I think you know, a couple times this Packers defense comes up with a big stop in the first half. If Jordan Love and the boys can just get down the field and punch one in earlier, you know, let's just say the end of the first quarter. Just something to kind of make this game feel a little less like lopsided.
Speaker 1:I think you see a different game and that, whether that you know we'll talk about. You know whether that's LaFleur not having the right game plans or, like you know in the moment, can he adjust in the moment? Like that type of thing is crucial. But yeah, but that's where I think they're. I'm not saying they don't have other deficiencies. Sure, but that is the killer, because Minnesota is just rolling momentum and rolling momentum and it's like, okay, now we're just praying. Our defense can not get obliterated. And after they get tested for two to three quarters there, it's hard to ask because you keep putting them on the field too. It's such a collective and that's any football team. When things start to go bad offensively, you're like, okay, now what? Like you just get, you kind of get in your own way. At that point, yeah, no, 100%.
Speaker 3:Like you said. I mean this Vikings team is great. I mean they put it all together. This is a darn good football team. They could go a long way. I'm not. We try like we. We always try to find a reason right, find a reason against them there and after today.
Speaker 3:I'll be honest with you if that defense plays like they made the packers offensive line, which we have given props to, we've said this is a great unit. They keep jordan love out of pressure a lot. He's got an ability to take his time, throw the football. They weren't able to do that today and it was like that the first time they played the Vikings. They had a lot of pressure in there. Same with this one. It Brian Flores is fantastic. He's fantastic calling a defense. So I mean that doesn't help. That doesn't help at all either.
Speaker 3:I mean, yeah, we talk about sacks in this game. Uh, the Packers and that's where I want to look to, because Jordan Love was sacked three times in this one sam darnold's sack one time. One time and we talked about it leading up into this game we said the packers have got to get pressure on sam darnold. They have to. They have to find a way to get pressure on sam darnold and we talked about, we talked about it and you look at this game here. Where did rashaan gary and kenny clark go right, where did they go? Were they there? There was that. There was moments in that game where I was like, are they playing? Like, are they on the injury report this week? Like I didn't see him on the injury report, but are they?
Speaker 3:there. Like where was kenny clark and rashaun gary? I mean, they stunk. Yes, they made some plays and yeah, you know, I saw rashaun gary had three tackles. Great, he had three tackles on the entire game in the run game, like Like, fantastic, good work, good work.
Speaker 3:Adia, where was your pressure on the quarterback? No pressure, you know what? Sam Darnold's fantastic and I know we hate on him a lot and I know we say if he moved him out of Minnesota would it be the same and all that kind of stuff. I don't know right, but in the system that he's in he's a fantastic quarterback. When you give a fantastic quarterback a lot of time to throw the football, especially when he's got dynamite receivers like he does Justin Jefferson, jordan, addison, naylor showing up in a big way Hockinson, when you have guys like that, I don't care who you have playing in the secondary, whether it's Revis Island out there or anything those receivers are going to come open at some point. And when they do come open, if your quarterback has five minutes to throw the football, he's going to deliver a strike. And that's what we saw the throw to Josh Naylor. There was no pressure in his face. Yeah, josh Naylor came wide open and was blowing coverage by the Packers, but there was no pressure in his face. Look at all the throws that he made and tell me if there was pressure in his face on them.
Speaker 3:I'd be very surprised. I would be very surprised. I would be very surprised if I saw pressure in his face. I I'm waiting for the pff to come out in this one. I don't know, aaron, can you find out there how many, how many pressures they had in this game, how many pressures the packers had, because I would venture to guess very little to none in this game here. Uh, john is in the comments. I see you, john. Thanks for joining in tonight.
Speaker 3:I said green bay waited to do anything until that last five minutes in the fourth quarter. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. I mean, the offense took about an hour and a half to get ready to go and once they were into the game, then it was like oh, oh. I mean, yeah, we can play now, we can ball out with you guys. But it's like, why did it take so long? And at times it honestly felt like the Vikings. It mattered to the Vikings, this game mattered to the Vikings. It didn't seem like it mattered to the Green Bay Packers. It didn't seem like it mattered when they came out in this one, and I hate that.
Speaker 3:I hate that and that's where I was going to lead with this question, because there's a lot of people out there and I'm seeing it all over social media, I'm seeing it all over the place they I'm seeing it all over the place they're all saying is Matt LaFleur the guy? Is he the guy, right? And you know, do you get better than Matt LaFleur? I don't know. Sometimes I like Matt LaFleur's play calling. Sometimes I'm like what are you doing, right? But it's. Are you going to get better than Matt LaFleur?
Speaker 3:Now, a lot of people are, isn't the guy? Because he can't win those big games, right? I think he's lost to Dan Campbell now seven times. I believe he hasn't beat Dan Campbell yet. He's terrible against Dan Campbell and we're seeing him in big games now. He can't figure out how to win the big game, right? Play calling becomes a little suspect in those big games there. And the big one he can't get the guys ready to go. He can't get them ready to go, and that's what we saw at defensive line. Why is there no push right? You know what? The guy that we gave so much prop to leading up into this game, brenton Cox Jr. We said this guy has been fantastic. He's getting more time. He's been nothing but great. He's not even in the stat sheet. He had one quarterback hit and that's it in the entire game. He's last on the sheet here. I mean just ridiculous. You got the uh. Did you find it out there on?
Speaker 1:the I couldn't. I really could not. I was trying really hard to I couldn't find. I could not find that. I mean, obviously I can see like tackles, everything like that, um, but I could not.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, that's fine. That's fine.
Speaker 1:That's fine, we won't worry about just kind of like the real quick, quick, just like the eye. I mean, you know I breezed through the highlights a couple of times on this game just to really really get a good feel. I thought, like from what I could tell right, I thought the Packers got like in his. It was almost like they pushed the Vikings line back into Darnold, but Darnold kind of just took a step back and chucked it from there. It wasn't like there were guys coming free off the edge or anything like that, I thought between the tackles and stuff like that, right there in the middle of the line. I thought the Packers actually got a good force on Darnold. It's not like he had a completely clean pocket, it's just it wasn't like he had to run out to his right or run out to his leg. He kind of could like navigate throughout the pocket which he's gotten. Like. I hate that, like I almost hate to say it because I it's not like.
Speaker 3:I hate the guy.
Speaker 1:It's just like I can't believe he doesn't like sam dartle.
Speaker 3:I'm not a dog, you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean, but it's like the way he can kind of like I don't know, maybe it's like a Drew Brees type of thing, like when you watch Drew Brees in the pocket he would just kind of like go left, go right, like he. Just he felt his way through the pocket. I I thought that's like while I'm watching this you know, watching this back again here it's like I I thought the Packers actually like they got it's pressure. It's just not like pressure to the point where he's disrupted.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean Like it's pressure where he has to think and like be on the be on the fly, like boom, ok, who am I going to? Because if I sit here another two seconds I'm going to get annihilated. But it wasn't like oh my God, deer in headlights. Pressure where it's like you know, I have to get this thing out this second, or I'm like I don't explain it. There's different levels to the pressure.
Speaker 1:If you watch the Giants back in the day with Strahan and Justin Tuck, stuff like that, those guys would literally rip the O-line apart. You weren't seeing that, you were just seeing okay, hey, if I'm Sam Darnold, I've got to get this thing out fast. But it's a lot easier when you have all those guys too, like you mentioned. I mean, and then you know, for guys that don't usually show up in a game like this, to show up, like Naylor today, it's like okay now. Now it gets to be like okay, how are we going to stop this If we can't get pressure, like we mentioned how many times? You know how many weeks if, if a defense, I don't care if it's the Packers, the 85 Bears, right, if you can't get pressure, it's like it makes things a lot harder.
Speaker 1:And then he got comfortable and he has all these playmates, like that's the thing. That's where Darnold, like, is extremely blessed. I'm not trying to take it away from him, but he's throwing to like elite. It's just, guys are at the top of the game everywhere and then you have a solid running back in Aaron Jones, like it's just, yeah, they were kind of just, they were up against it today and I feel like this offense can come. You know they, can, you know, match them. It's just in the big games they haven't. So it's hard to say, like, to your point, can they do it consistently? They haven't proven this year that they can. That's the only thing I would say to that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I would agree. We're going to get more into that when we come back from the ad break here. We did have one over on TikTok. We are on TikTok. Live now, wendy with the blue eyes. Nice to see you there, wendy. She says she lives on the wisconsin minnesota border there and she's never going to hear the end of this one. I am sorry, wendy, that must be the worst place to live too, because you gotta listen over there. Tell you all about it now for the next year. Right, they don't have to win the super bowl, they just have to beat the packers twice and then they're going to tell you all about it for the rest of the time. So I'm sorry for that one there, but we're we're going to be back. We're at the 30 minute mark here, so we're going to be back. Got to take our ad break here, come back. We're going to talk a little bit more Packers here, because there is a lot to dive into with this.
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Speaker 3:So, aaron, I want to keep with that Matt LaFleur thing, because we mentioned it there, uh, for a minute. You know Matt LaFleur and we answered it a little bit, but it just seems to me like at times the Packers don't come ready to play right, and that's something that we always give props to Dan Campbell about is that it doesn't matter what his who's on his defense, right? I mean, look at that defense, look how many guys are out injured right now for the lions, and every single one of them guys, whether it's the joe small that they just found in the street corner there on the way into the stadium, or it's the guy that they found in the airport on the way over to philly or whoever it is right, he gets them ready to rock and roll. And when I I watch this Packers team and we talk about it. We're talking about the consistency, the playing a complete game. Right, we've mentioned it before and I know a lot of people hate to talk about it because they're like, oh well, they won this game, right, yeah, winning school it's cool to win. It's cool to win some games here and there, but it's also cool to win and play a complete game and look dominant throughout that game. Right, the Saints game I thought they played a good game against Saints, don't be wrong, they played a great game against Saints.
Speaker 3:Um, the Cardinals game that was a complete game. Seattle they floored them, but I wouldn't say that was a complete game. I mean Seattle. There was moments in there where I was still a little sketched out. Even with the lead, I was nervous. I mean you look at the 49ers't say they played all. I mean they played good, but I don't think they played great. I mean we're looking at these games and we're like, yeah, I mean they've beat some teams. They beat some playoff teams. Seattle could be a playoff team, right, and they beat the Cardinals who technically were in the playoff conversation but I don't believe they are anymore but they beat the Cardinals at the time who were playing well, and you know they're Jackal and Hyde, they can get the job done.
Speaker 3:But you look at the rest of this. Okay, they proven that they can beat the Texans who are in the playoff picture in the AFC. They proved that they can beat the Rams without Puka, nakua and Cooper cup. But outside of that, it's the proof in the pudding for me, right, and it's the. Who have you lost to?
Speaker 3:And you look at the combined scores of those games and you look at the margins that they lost by. It looks good. I mean, it looks good when you think about it that way They've played. They lost to the Eagles by five, lost to the Eagles by five, lost to the Vikings by two, lost to the Lions by 10. And then you lose to the lions again by three and you lose to the Vikings by two again. Oh, okay, that that looks good, that looks good in hindsight, right, but at the end of the day, a loss, a loss, and it's what you can do in those games. The the one. What can you do in those games to get over that hump Right?
Speaker 3:Both of these last two games that they've had that they've lost the Lions and the Vikings it came down to the point of could the defense get that key stop right? The Lions game was fourth down. They had a fourth down shot that they could. If they could get that stop, they could get off the field, get the offense, the ball back against the Vikings. Same thing They've got. They made the comeback. Now we can blame it on the Vikings took their foot off the pedal and everything like that. Sure, we can blame it on that, right, but they had the shot and they couldn't get the stop. So you look at two games now, multiple games now, where they needed a key stop and they couldn't find that key stop.
Speaker 3:And I think that's the thing that makes me the most nervous with the defense is that when the, when the moment is there, there's a moment right. You have that moment in a game where you're like this was the deciding factor, right, this is what changed the momentum, it changed that game. It's a defense. It always seems to be that defensive stop right. I always when I think of momentum changers or key moments in a game. Right, everybody thinks back to the 2015 Wisconsin Badgers in the Final Four and everybody thinks of the Sam Decker step back three. Right, everybody thinks of that moment and they're like, yeah, sam hit that big step back three and it was huge. It was a huge moment. But everybody fails to remember the charge he took on the other end of the floor then. That got the ball back for the Badgers. That took all the momentum away from Kentucky. That took all that momentum away from Kentucky. That took all that momentum.
Speaker 3:And I know I'm talking basketball now to football and I know I'm flipping around there. But it's that defensive stop, right, that key stop in a game that changed that momentum. You mentioned it. You mentioned it coming out into that third quarter, right, coming out of half. We knew the Vikings were gonna have a football and we knew, yeah, if, if they put it in the end zone, it's 20 to what? Three? At that time, 20 to three, it's a, it's it's now. I mean you're playing from way behind. If you can hold them to a field goal, not so bad, right? Not so bad If you can hold, just hold them Right. But the Vikings they take that second, that second half kickoff and they walk down the field and they put in the end zone and now you're in a hole and now you have to try to dig yourself out of that hole, the hole that the offense puts you in. Don't get me wrong, the offense puts you in that hole.
Speaker 3:I'm not gonna, not gonna just say this is all on the defense. Right, I'm not gonna blame it on the defense, but if I look at the whole picture, the defense has not been able to get that key stop. They haven't, night in and night, game in and game out, they haven't been. Yeah, maybe they got a key stop against, you know, the Rams, who were when they won 24 to 19. And they got that key stop against Matthew Stafford and his second string guys. I mean, I think Atwell was the number one receiver there. I don't even know who Atwell is, but I think he was the number one receiver there for the Rams that day. No Puka Nakua, no Cooper Cup. You had to rely on your defense to get that stop. I mean, texans, you barely won that one. I believe that was the walk-off field goal by Braden Narveson.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was the walk-off field goal, that was the walk-off field goal.
Speaker 3:But you won that game. I mean that was a good win. That was a good win, don't get me wrong. Good win. The Bears blocked field goal to win that game. Otherwise your offense was suspect in that whole ball game.
Speaker 3:I mean, look at the. I always say the proof is in the pudding, right, the proof is in the pudding that this team I'm going to say that they are a good team they're a good team. I don't think they're a great team. I don't think that they can. I think that they're a good playoff team, right, and I think they can win a game in the playoffs, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3:But after watching today, if this is the consistency and the continued things that we're going to see in big games, what tells you that they can go on the road three times in the playoffs and rattle off wins? If this is the consistent play that we get. Because if you go into philly and you start in a hole, guess what? They don't have aaron jones. They have a guy by the name of saquon barkley and they'll milk the crap out of that clock. They will milk the ever-living crap out of that clock. And they have playmakers too. Guess what? They have aj brown and davante sm so they can throw the ball around too, just like the Vikings can, and they have a pretty good quarterback who is mobile in Jalen Hurts and a pretty good defense to back that up to. So what tells you that you can start like this on the road in Philly, or on the road in Ford Field, or going back to Minnesota again. You can't survive playing this.
Speaker 3:I mean, look at the Vikings and I mean I was impressed how many games they win, playing in close games. They find ways, right, they find ways, and some teams are good enough to find ways to win those close games. But the difference is their defense finds ways to get stops. They found ways to get stops. Now, that was the Packers playing into their hand a little bit, but at the same time it was also execution. It was also the want right and that's where I'm getting back to here at the mat on the floor thing. It's the coming into these games energized and ready to rock, ready to rip somebody's head off. I mean that's where I love Dan Campbell. I love him, yes, his players sometimes, you know you look at Brian Branch. He likes to. You know, is he the guy who loves to aim for the shins.
Speaker 1:He loves to take off the kneecaps Is it Branch, or is it Joseph?
Speaker 3:Is it?
Speaker 3:Kirby Joseph, it's Kirby Joseph and he loves to do that. But those guys take on that attitude of Dan Campbell. You watch Jared Goff play, you watch any of those backs play. They take on that attitude. I don't know what Matt LaFleur brings me sometimes. I don't think he brings me that kind of attitude. I really don't, and I think sometimes that rubs off on the players. I really do. I don't think they have that. They have a killer instinct. I think at times right, I think Jordan Love has a killer instinct at times, but they don't come into that.
Speaker 3:The defense the defense looks like I don't know. Today it looked like it was. I mean, it looked kind of like high school football. It looked like high school football taken out of college football, like this was like, if you know, they always used to say if Alabama went and played the 0-16 Browns, what would happen? Right, this is what we saw. It was like we were watching a high school football team walk in and play Alabama and try to win that game, and it was just a rout. It was just domination, alabama and try to win that game, and it was just a route, it was just domination. That's what we saw here for multiple quarters in a row was just domination and I, I hate it, I really do, I really do it. It's you know I, I I circled back to this because I I um mentioned this on Friday in our preview show.
Speaker 3:I talked about it. I said you know what's going to hurt the offense a lot? I said it was Christian Watson isn't out there, because Christian Watson has that ability to spread the field. He has the ability to blow the top off of defense and make you respect him a little bit more. And not having him out there I thought that showed. I thought that showed in this one. The drops definitely showed again and we talked about it. Rearing that showed in this one. The drops definitely showed again and we talked about it. Rearing the ugly head of those little things there. And the pre-snap penalties, the drops, those little things that you can't have happen to win a football game the opening drive, the fumble I know it's the opening drive and I don't want to blame Josh Jacobs for nothing there but a fumble on the opening drive. Right when you win the coin toss and you take the ball first and you fumble the ball on that opening drive, that is wind out of the sails like that, because when you take the ball first, willingly take the ball first. Your objective, the only objective that you can have, is to walk down that field and punch that baby in the end zone, because you are risking not getting the ball coming out of that second half, and that's what they did in this one. That is exactly what they did.
Speaker 3:John's over in the comments section. He says only problem I have with the Vikings is they play down to their competition. Look at the Lions. They don't take the foot off the gas pedal. Rams play down to everyone. They also all wins by one possession.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I'm not guess what. At some point, though, you got to tip your hat and I'm tipping my hat. They find ways. They find ways to win. Maybe it's that they play down to competition, maybe it's that they get big leads and they let teams back into it. Whatever we want to call it, they find ways to win them. I mean, they find ways to win those games you look at and we talked about some of the problems in that first half there, josh Jacobs fumble, the Jaden Reed drop on the fourth down, the Wicks penalty on third down.
Speaker 3:There I mean you can't beat good teams playing like that.
Speaker 3:You can't.
Speaker 3:You can't beat good teams playing like that.
Speaker 3:And then I mean yeah, john's going to preach into the choir here.
Speaker 3:Love had less than 64 yards, less than five minutes.
Speaker 3:Green Bay should have won this game. I mean, you, I put some of the okay. So this is where I you got to distribute blame, right. You can't just blame one guy. You got to blame a whole right. I blame Matt LaFleur's play calling a little bit in this one.
Speaker 3:I also blame the execution of the players, because I thought there was moments in this game where either Love made a bad throw or it was a catchable pass and the Packers or whoever it was Jaden Reed or Dontavian Wicks they dropped the ball. There was moments, there was opportunities and the Packers just didn't execute. And that's what I'm talking about coming prepared, coming ready to rock and roll, ready to punch a team in the mouth right On the road. In a big game like this, you have to come ready to punch a team in the mouth, and I don't believe the Packers came ready to punch a team in the mouth for this one. But I heard the dumbest thing ever. The dumbest thing ever the other day, aaron. I heard the dumbest arguments.
Speaker 3:It was on a Viking show and someone a Packer fan out there brought up it was a stat about the Packers that they've been so good at this since week nine. And the person the host of the show or whatever said, wow, that's a Packer fan thing to do. Bring up stats since week nine, like that's just. You know, you can't just do that Like it matters as a whole and I'm like well, hold on, hold on. First off, you're an idiot. Okay, I understand. I understand that as a whole you want to look good all season long, right, sam donald, you want him look good all season long, everything like that.
Speaker 3:But if you can't bring up stats since a certain week, then how do you know how well your, your team has progressed right defensively? How well do you know how much your team has progressed right Defensively? How well do you know how much the defensive front has progressed, if you don't look and say, oh, you know they struggled to start the year, but since week seven they now have a total of this many pressures and a total of this many sacks. Like I want to know that stat, I want to know how better they are from, you know, week one to five to week five to 10. I want to know that stat. That's a great stat because now I know how much they've progressed.
Speaker 3:Because if you think, and seriously if you think, that a whole team comes into a season and they're just flying freaking high the whole time, you're nuts. I don't know what you guys are smoking over there in Minnesota, but you should roll it and throw it over here because we need a little bit of that. You guys are wild, you guys here, because we need a little bit of that. You guys are wild. You guys are wild and over there to settle down over there, like I thought that was just the dumbest argument. I really did.
Speaker 3:I thought it was the dumbest thing I've heard. Because how do you show us, how do you? Your team doesn't all all 53 guys don't come into a season and they're just freaking cooking man, like they. Just everything is just oiled up and ready to go, the engines just churning from week one until week freaking 30. Well, whatever it is, when the super bowl happens, it'd be what? Week 19, 20, 21, 22, probably 22 weeks, 22, 23 weeks to get to the super bowl there, like you're telling me, your team is just churning for 23 weeks and we can't look at stats at week 16 and tell you how good they've shut up. Just shut up. I mean, aaron, is that not the stupidest thing you've heard? Like that was the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
Speaker 1:So they're basically saying, like within a certain stretch of their season or like that, they want to make an argument like you can't use that stat Like that's a dumb stat to use, is it's such a packer fan thing to say?
Speaker 3:is that since, like week nine, the stat he brought up was from week nine? Until today, which would be week what 16, 17. Now it'd be until week 16. They've been this much better at this. And the guy said well, you can't bring up stats, this is a packer thing to do. Bring up stats like that and I'm like or you're just bringing up stats to show the improvement of a certain area of this team, like that's a pretty common thing.
Speaker 1:Right, like if they said, like between weeks 11 and 13, the Packers were this much, but like I'd be like, okay, what does that matter? Right, but when it's like a stretch from like more than a couple, from like more than a couple, like I I hate when people say, oh, you know, they've like this, like that's what bothered me about the saints to start the year. But oh my god, look at the two and oh, saints, I'm like dude, it's two weeks first of all, like who knows what they're gonna be? I, I, you know, whatever. But when you, when you have a good sample size what you do, and then you know it's through current time too, it through, you know you're saying week nine to week 17. Like that's completely relevant.
Speaker 1:Like why, I don't know, people get, if you get butthurt about that, it's like, well, you know, have your team play better. Like obviously today they'll use that right, but it's yeah, I mean, if it's something you're better at, another team at, and there's like a sample size that's worth anything which obviously there is. Like, yeah, I don't understand why how you can fight against that. Like, if the Commanders are better than the Eagles for the last four weeks, you know they're putting up 10 points more a game. I got to look at my offense and be like, okay, why are we not putting up, you know, 10 points more a game or whatever. You know what I mean. Like why can't fans like look at their own team and be like we have a problem, like something needs to be better here, or this is a weakness, or you know. You can circle this as a current problem, like I don't understand why. That's why, if you're a fan of a team, that the stats don't go in their favor you can't just be like, oh, that might not be good.
Speaker 3:Yep, no, I agree. That's why I just thought it was the dumbest thing. I thought it was the dumbest thing. I was like, why can't you bring up that stat? I want to see the improvement of a team. You know I don't expect my rookies to come out week one and be lighting the world on fire, but if you show me a stat since week nine that you know so-and-so has had this many pressures since week nine until week 16. That's awesome, like that's cool. I love that stat. I love to see those stats to see the improvement of that guy. Hate the rest of that, hate the rest of that. So we did have one over on TikTok there for Brady Rockovich Nice to see you in the comments tonight here he said, for the Vikings.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you talked about this, but what is your opinion on the 25-26 season, on who is the starting quarterback? So who's going to be starting quarterback for the Vikings? I'll be honest with you After watching this, I'm bringing Sam Darnold back. I don't know why. You wouldn't right. You have all these guys Jefferson, addison, hawkinson. You have this great defense. You have a great head coach. You have a great defensive coordinator. You have great all the way around, right? Why would you risk? Okay, let Darnold walk. We don't have anybody to back up JJ. We're just hoping he's going to be good enough. He goes through a little rookie slump. You bring the whole team down with him now, instead of letting Sam Darnold just take the chains for another year, see what he can do, and then you bring JJ behind. That. That's what I'm doing. I don't know why you wouldn't. I don't know why you wouldn't let JJ develop.
Speaker 1:I mean exactly. I mean, and does anybody? I mean we've seen crazier things like Stroud come out, rookie season, go, you know, balls to the wall. But like does anybody expect JJ? I mean what? Two knee surgeries already and he hasn't played a snap in the NFL 22, 23?
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I mean I think he's like maybe he's 21 now he'll be 22 for the next season. I can't remember what was it Dustin that we had on Friday there? Yeah, I think he mentioned. I think he said he's like 21 or something. He's 22 or yeah, but there's no way he outperforms 21.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's just no way he plays as good as and it's like I'm still like almost catching myself saying this but there's no way he plays as good as Sam Darnold does, like year one off, two knee surgeries, and why not let him develop when you're having success too? I mean there's a chance they win the one seed which is like no, I mean, how many people had that on their bingo card? So I think, yeah, there's no way you move off Sam Darnold, especially like after the year that he's having. Even if they were 500, it would be something to consider because it's a veteran guy. He's been around the block, um McCarthy coming off. There's two, you know just brutal surgeries already and he's gonna have to develop like he's gonna. He's gonna hit bumps and bruises like no pun intended, but he's gonna like there's it's just no way he picks it up.
Speaker 1:They, I know he has weapons Like this is a great situation to be in, coming into it. But yeah, I mean why not? Just I'm not saying maybe the Packer approach like three, four years, but next I mean let's say they lose in the divisional round this year the Vikings do, and then, you know, next year they're a wild card team. Okay, after next year, like because you see maybe a little regression, like why not? And? And I'd even like, maybe bring him in games that you know, if you have a big lead, bring him in. Like just get him some snaps next year.
Speaker 3:But I mean, if they were to go off, donald, I'd be shocked, like that would be almost idiotic at this point yeah, you know what, honestly and and I've never wanted to admit it either but you take away Josh Allen, take away Lamar Jackson's here. Sam Darnold could be a name in there to be honest with you for an MVP conversation. He could be right there. With today's totals he's up to 35 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, over 4,000 yards passing. I mean, yes, he's got a lot of weapons, yes, and that's the day-old thing, but that's good numbers, that is downright fantastic numbers and that's a big reason for the Vikings' success.
Speaker 3:We were talking about this early on in the season. We said if the Vikings are going to succeed, it's going to be on the back of the defense, it's going to be on the back of a lot of these playmakers doing things I did not have on my bingo card, sam darnold being one of those playmakers. I did, and he's developing into one of those and he's playing the best football that he has played in his career and I I'm I'm honestly hats off to the guy. Tap like you go man, Like I've never rooted for him to suck. I've never rooted for the guy to suck.
Speaker 3:He doesn't seem like a terrible dude to have rooted for him to suck. But I mean nothing but fantastic this year for the Vikings and it's showing. And this team, this Vikings team, that was a good team. That was a good team and what we saw was the Packers are a good team, maybe a little bit better than good. They can beat one of these teams I still think they could, but they're not a great team. These are what we're seeing now.
Speaker 3:The Vikings, the Lions, the Eagles those are, if they're not, great teams. They're like whatever you can say is right below a great team before a good team. They're in between there. If they're not great teams, they're like whatever you can say is right below a great team before a good team. They're in between there if they're not to a great team. Yet that's what I'm seeing when I watch these teams, because they are well put together, complimentary football, consistent. We can throw it all out there. We can figure out how to get stops for you on the defensive side, we can do the little things right in the game and we can win those games.
Speaker 3:The Packers find a way to shoot themselves in the foot every single big game and that's the difference between a good team and a bad team, not a good team and a bad team, a good team and a great team. That's your difference. That is your biggest difference there is which team can make the big plays. I mentioned those drops the Packers had. Jayden Reed had one on a fourth down and then Dontavian Wicks had one that would have got the first down. Those little things, those big plays right, those are big moments and I know it's a diving catch, I get that. But if you want to play winning football, you have to make those plays, you have to be able to catch those balls. You got to be able to make the right play, make the right read, whatever it is. You've got to be able to do those little things and get those key stops. And that's something that the Packers are missing. That's the biggest missing piece right now with the Green Bay Packers and how they fix that. You're not fixing it right now.
Speaker 3:I thought they had fixed it. To be honest with you, I thought they had fixed it and then I watched today and it all came back to the front and it was like okay, so now we know if they play the saints, if they play some of these lesser teams. Oh, it looks good, it all looks good. Right, seattle, they compete. Seattle, okay, yeah, seattle's playoff team, they're, they're good team, but they're not great, right, they're not the lions, they're not the Vikings, they're not the Eagles, right they're, they're not that.
Speaker 3:So what tells you that they could beat those teams? Nothing so far, Nothing. And I know the Packers are banged up. Quay Walker's out Jair, who the heck even knows. Right, if we go on the road for the playoffs, I'd leave him wherever we go, I would just leave him there. If he gets hurt in the playoff game, I'd just leave him there. But at this point I'm just done with that whole situation. This is just nuts, this is just ridiculous. But I mean, yeah, you were banged up, you had some injury. We talked about Evan Williams being out and Anderson got hurt early in this one and you lost Devontae Wyatt. Yeah, you had some injuries. So did the Lions? The Lions have a boatload of injuries.
Speaker 3:They find ways, right, they find ways to win football games. Yet and it relies a lot on the offense, with their playmakers taking care of business and the defense just holds. They hold. How they can? They have weaknesses.
Speaker 3:Look at the vikings. They have a weakness that we talked about, their uh, slot coverage. Their slot coverage is terrible, but in this game here we talked about it. We're like, yeah, we said it. We're like how do you beat them? Target the slot right. Target jayden reed. He had one catch, one catch in this game. How well did you target the slot that was supposed to Jaden Reed? He had one catch, one catch in this game. How well did you target the slot that was supposed to be the weak point? You didn't go after the weak point in this one, which makes you question. Then it makes you like well, why did Jaden Reed only get one target? And usually I wouldn't be so upset because you have a lot of playmakers, right, you have a lot of playmakers.
Speaker 3:But we talked about where's, where's the one hole. Every defense has got that one hole. Exploit Gilmore's age he's a little bit older. Exploit him, take care of that. And we saw it a couple times with Romeo Dobbs and Jaden Reed. Exploit that slot with Matillas or whatever the heck his name is there in that slot. Didn't exploit it, didn't do nothing.
Speaker 3:I know, like I said, christian Watson being out, that hurts, right, because that's your blowed over the top guy and he can stretch a defense. But if Watson's not there, you got to find ways right. It can't be that silver lining that if one guy's missing, the whole train just stops. You got to be able to fix the engine and make it still rumble. This game here. You came out flat once again and that's what led to this one.
Speaker 3:John did say, uh, before we get to a little bit of an ad break here, and then, uh, move on from the packers here. Uh, john did say I would bring back darnold. Or do the titans want a veteran and give up a pick for him? That'd be interesting too. Do you sign darnold up and then try to trade him away and get some draft capital? I mean, that's definitely an option. I I don't know if that's the way that they would swing it. I don't know if that would help the Vikings here.
Speaker 3:The thing with it is, I think the Vikings have opened up a window of playoff opportunity. Right, that's where they're at right now. Is that playoff opportunity? They got Jefferson for a while now. They got Addison signed up. They got Hawk. They have Aaron Jones. Now they have weapons. These guys are, you know, they're all going to get to that point in their contract where they're going to get that next one and that next one's going to cost them a little bit more.
Speaker 3:So it's the question of your window is open now. Do you trust JJ McCarthy in that window? Do you want to waste a year? Yeah, I guess is my big thing, because I'm not saying you're wasting it because I don't know about JJ McCarthy, right, I've never hated that guy. He went to Michigan. I don't like Michigan, but I've never hated JJ McCarthy. I think he's a gamer, right, but sometimes a gamer ain't going to win you games, right? He ain't going to be that over-the-top guy Bo Nix guy who's going to be. He can get you wins, but I haven't seen Bo Nix deliver. I haven't seen him deliver that one yet and I don't know if JJ McCarthy can be that guy Right now.
Speaker 3:I know Sam Darnold can win me football games and we're going to see it against the Lions next week because that's for the one seed. I am really interested to see sam darnold with a one seat on the line because you know that's in the back of their heads, that one seeds on the line. I am interested to see how sam darnold plays in that game. He knew it was in this game too. Don't get me wrong. He knew it was. You know a lot was riding on this game for him. But that next game, that is for all the marbles, the one seat, the division, everything in between, like that's where you get to see how low do those cojones hang on, sam Darnold, we're going to find out in that one Like that is going to be interesting.
Speaker 1:Well, and yeah, to touch on that there real quick, trajan I mean it's like this whole argument of like, okay, well, I hate to like push it back to the like. I don't want to make it Eagle centric, but like I, every time I hear this, like you know, there'll be a team rolling and and they're looking at okay, but who's behind him? Like, what's the potential of the guy behind him? Like I saw. I'm not going to say it would have been the right move, but I like I had a lot of conversations with Eagles fans when, when Foles went on to win the Superbowl, everybody's like, okay, well, wentz is the guy because he got you there, but we'll never know if Wentz would have went through that playoff stretch and won the Super Bowl. Like that, that we and evidence-based um, you know, after that, like he didn't come close. So I, I hate when people are like, like don't get me wrong, I am a grass is sometimes greener type of guy. Like I hate when I have like Penn State, right, I I've I've said that like the Steelers. I always say the Steelers, you know why, don't they? You know Tomlin gets you there for nothing, you know what's he really get done.
Speaker 1:But like in a situation like this man, it's like you, you know you. You play the Packers today huge game. Sam Donald showed up. Like he showed up for four quarters too it's not like he showed up for a half or you know. And then he imploded Like I just hate this whole notion of like. Okay, but we have JJ McCarthy. Like JJ McCarthy could be the biggest bust we've ever seen. Like we don't know. I'm not saying he's going to be, but like you're going to. How are you going to say he's going to come out and play as good as Sam Donald is right now? I'm not talking Sam Donald in five years. Maybe Sam Donald has a flash in the pan for two or three years in Minnesota and then goes somewhere and becomes irrelevant again. But I mean right now, how are you going to move off a guy that's getting you? I mean he could win. You know they could be the number one seed in the NFC. They beat, you know, a great Packers team today that they like they're right there with Detroit for the best team in the NFC. You know they could finish higher than the two seed Eagles.
Speaker 1:Like you know it's like kind of be grateful a little bit, like I just I don't know, I like I'm I'm not gonna stay on Sam Donald forever, but if they were to like trade him after this year, I hope they employ like I would root so hard against them just because it's like that's how you're going to treat you. Know a guy that gets you to like that's like all these Eagles fans were telling oh well, you got to go back to Wentz. I'm like dude, the Nick Foles won you the first Super Bowl we ever had. Like how are you going to be ungrateful about that? Like I just. That mindset to me is like it's crazy.
Speaker 1:There's been other examples of that too. I I can't think of one off the top of my head, but um, like it's I just this, this notion of like okay, we can find the next guy, he'll be right behind him. Like the guy behind him is going to be just as good or better. That's not always the case and that's a big risk to to take. When you're staring at the number one seed in the last week of the season, like I just we'll see in the playoffs I still don't 100, but today I'm like, wow, this guy. I mean like pressure, no pressure. Like the guy. The guy showed up and, like I, at least have to say that he did what he had to do for me.
Speaker 3:Next week is my test next week. Yeah, if he passes the eye test next week, if he beats the lions if he goes to detroit and beats the lions even. Here's my money, here's my money.
Speaker 1:Take my money I'll even say this strange and like if they lose 30, uh, 35, uh, 35, 42 type game right and and Darnold plays out, he doesn't throw a pick to cost them the game If he's got you in the game in the fourth quarter. As much as I'm always like win or else I hate this in between, but I mean at that point it's like he, he just took my money.
Speaker 1:If the defense gives you 42 points, I crap all over the defense for a week. If I'm a Vikings fan, if he comes out and puts up 17 points and throws two to three picks, fumbles the ball, something like that. Two to three turnovers total and he just looks horrible, then yeah, you have a case. But if it's a competitive game with Detroit, who's going to come out like guns, a blazing, like fully loaded? I mean, how much, how much more can the guy at least this season? I'm not saying his career, I mean he's bounced around, but right now, right here, right now. I'm not giving him an eight year deal either, I'm not doing that, but I mean right here, right now.
Speaker 3:It's like dude, 100%, I 100% agree. I mean he's 27 years old. It's not like he's old, he's 27. Like he's got a lot of time left too. Dustin, nice to see you tonight, Dustin. It was a good game by the Vikings there. He said great effort tonight they're going to take that one seed. He's telling me he wants to extend Darnold a multi-year extension. They want him back. I agree, I agree, give him back there. John does say Darnold is going to go for less than 220, go for 377. Lions 35 to 30. See, that's right where Aaron's talking. I mean it's going to be a good, high scoring, competitive game there. But, aaron, we're late for a break. We got to get to our last sponsor break there. We're going to come back. We want to dive into a little bit of how the Brewers fleeced the Orioles. We're going to get to that when we come back here. So we'll see you on the other side of this ad.
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Speaker 1:I think Saturday, but I mean, you know, tomato, tomato there.
Speaker 3:It was one of those two. Either way, it broke relatively close to when we were done talking there and we had mentioned so the Brewers trade. So I want to get back. We're going to go way back, right, we're going back to the February 2nd of 2024. The Brewers flipped on Corbin Burns and they said hey, buddy, we're done with you. All right, we're done with you, we're going to send you off to the Orioles a rental almost and we're going to trade for Joey Ortiz, left-handed DO Hall. And then they got a competitive balance round one pick or round A draft pick, which they did use. So, okay, there's our deal. Right, corbin Burns goes to the Orioles.
Speaker 3:Aaron, you're an Orioles fan, you loved it. Right, you got Corbin Burns, they went out. They got youbin Burns, they went out, they got you a guy. Problem was you didn't win a playoff game with that guy, and problem was the Brewers. Well, they didn't win a playoff game anyways, but it wasn't because of Corbin Burns, right, it was because, you know, devin Williams blew apart in the back end of the bullpen. But either way, now comes out the report Corbin burns is going to the diamondbacks on a 210 million dollar contract. It was on friday because we were still talking when they flipped it. There, we were just getting off the air when they flipped it. That's what it was, because we were talking about the deal. Um, that's what you were trying to figure out was it the biggest deal for a pitcher or was it a right-handed pitcher? Was it? We were trying to figure out what Garrett Cole's contract was?
Speaker 1:What I mentioned. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just remember it came out, because I'm glad you brought up the 210, because it came out that Burns won a 265. That was the whole thing. And then it was who's in play? Are the Orioles in play? Are the Yankees in play? I didn't even hear that the Diamondbacks were in play, though I heard the Red Sox, I heard the AL East teams basically were in play for him. It was Blue Jays, red Sox, the Orioles had talks I don't know how serious they were and the Dodgers, the Dodgers were mentioned, but the and the Dodgers, the Dodgers were mentioned and Yankees, so pretty much everybody in the AL East without exception of Tampa Bay there. But the Diamondbacks weren't even and I hate myself for having that kind of two teams.
Speaker 1:I am a Phillies guy. I root for the Orioles. I hate it, but it's like I root for that team, that franchise. But it was one of those deals where I was like, wow, I mean all these guys are going to go get their money. He's not going to come back to the Orioles for $180,000. Let's say the Orioles offered him $180,000. He's going to be like, ah, that's funny.
Speaker 1:But it was one of those opportunities where I thought the Orioles were going to be like. You know what we're going to be like. We're keeping this guy and no, I mean to say they fleeced him. I certainly do agree to a certain. I mean, I'm not a DL Hall guy at all. I don't want him on my team just because he steps out of the house and he trips down the steps and breaks his ankle. Like the guy is just fragile. It's unfortunate. If he can ever stay healthy. He has great stuff, it's just. But Ortiz is a nice player and like the Brewers did what the Angels failed to do. I know it's a whole different situation, but you know Otani right, you let Otani imagine what you would have got back in a trade package for Otani. Like that will be forever a black cloud on that franchise to me because you weren't bringing him back.
Speaker 1:You know, maybe they thought they had a chance, but I I still think you got to go with your gut there and just and just get and trade them at that. You know what I mean like trade them, even if it was last minute, trade them. The brewers did it. So you know, hats off to them. They at least got something for burns. Maybe it's not that, you know. I remember us talking. It wasn't the package like everybody thought he, you know he'd bring back. But they got something and they got two guys that can be productive at the major league level. And now, look, the Orioles got him for a rental. They didn't get anything back for him. So he walks out the door there the Diamondbacks. But did you see how he does have that opt out after two years? After two years he'll probably leave the Diamondbacks. I wouldn't't be shocked whatsoever, I really wouldn't 265 would have been nuts.
Speaker 3:That would have been nuts. I don't know who the heck would have made that. Yankees would have made that deal. Dodgers, mets, mets I was surprised, the Mets. When I heard the Diamondbacks, too, I was surprised, I was like how did the Mets not get Corbin Burns?
Speaker 3:Like, like honestly, like I know they just spent money on one, so it's probably they're probably out of money. Like we, we thought Steve Cohen had a deep pocket and then he just spent all this money on Juan Soto and then all of a sudden it's like, oh wait, there ain't nothing left, boys, we can't even afford to put vendors up in the stadium this year. Like we're just going to hope they show up with coolers, that's what we're going to hope. Like, hey, I know, we usually tell you guys to keep your beer and your food in the parking lot. You can bring it in now, you can just sit down with it. Come on in, let's sit down there.
Speaker 3:But I mean, yeah, the Diamondbacks, they made that deal for Jordan Montgomery last season and that was that late, late in the year. Like it was the. Well, he's a scott, uh, scott barrels, is that his name? Uh, boris boris, boris, scott boris, that's what it is. Barrels, boris, all the same thing, right? Yes, same difference there. But jordan montgomery was kind of a shell of himself for him last year. He had what do you have? A 60 ra for him last season in 117 innings. Like you, that's your number one guy. That was supposed to be your number one guy. Now you still have Zach Gale in there, so he's still cool, right, but outside of that you didn't really have anything cooking.
Speaker 3:So now getting Corbin Burns in there, you had to. You have to the Dodgers have all the offense. You got to load up the pitching staff, because if you're going to somehow compete in that division you have to be able to mow them down. And now you bring in Corbin Burns Little do they know, suck on this. He sucks against the Dodgers, so suck on that. We got him now, right, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. He did get torched for the Brewers against the Dodgers though, so I mean, they had to.
Speaker 3:If you're the Diamondbacks, I think this is a great move honestly. Like, honestly, it's a great move because you're not going to be able to get the bats to compete with the Dodgers, but if you got a good enough arm, if you got a good enough starting rotation bullpen, you might be able to win a two to nothing like barn burner game against them. Like that's kind of what you're shooting for now. I mean, yeah, they still have some bats in there. You still have Corbin Carroll, cattell, marte I hate that guy. He took away all star bid, but I mean, he's still there.
Speaker 1:The most random guy in the league to hate Like.
Speaker 3:I mean I just gotta hate this guy, right, it's gotta hate him. But uh, christian Walker's gone, so you lose a little thump in that lineup now. So you do. I mean you have pieces, but you don't have the pieces, right, you don't have Freddie Freeman, you don't have Mookie Betts, you don't have Shoya Ohtani, you don't have those big guys in your lineup there. So you're kind of like, okay, where do we address? That's going to slow down that and that's where you win.
Speaker 1:Josh Naylor. Don't forget about Josh Naylor coming over. I mean, he's not like.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's right, they got josh nailer the guardians are unloading. They're unloading for some reason I don't know what's going on in cleveland, but they were just one day like well, let's just unload everybody. Amenaz, see ya, nailer, see ya like, let's just.
Speaker 1:I don't know what they're holding off who's that guy you love on the guardians? I can't remember his name steven kwan. Yeah, wonder if he'll wonder. I mean it's probably too late now.
Speaker 3:I mean it's it's not too late, but yeah, I mean I'm shocked you could get a trade package for him. He was a 300 hitter, like that'd be a pretty good. I mean you could get a deal back for him.
Speaker 1:Right, right, no, I mean this, you know, kind of. You know, taking it back to the whole the Brewers part of it, I mean I'm shocked that you know, like I said, the brewers got something for him. That's a great thing. Um, the orioles, you know, get nothing for him. And then, like all we're hearing all season long is like blue jays yankees red, so like it's, he's going to an ale's team. Basically it's like that's. And then you know the dodgers, the mets were talked. I was I would not have been shocked if the dodgers got him or the mets, like I, I was thinking because somebody's to shell out the bag, but I mean credit if you're. I mean there might be five Diamondbacks fans in existence, but um, like Dr Pepper fans, right, dr Pepper there's.
Speaker 3:like I saw at one point, dr Pepper was the number two soda in America and I was like I know like one person who drinks Dr Pepper, like who are the other people? Right? I mean, how is this the number two Soda brand?
Speaker 1:I remember, like when the Phillies played the Diamondbacks in Arizona, there in the what was that? The NLCS? Yeah, nlcs, just two years ago, not last season, but there was, like you know, all this talk about there's like tickets for $20. Like there wasn't a guaranteed sellout, like there were, you know there wasn't a guaranteed sellout. Like there were. There were, you know, open seats.
Speaker 1:So I'm not saying they have a bad fit, but it's not a, you know, arizona, like people say, arizona is one of those. It's not like a passion, like a diehard fan base, like there's stuff to do in Arizona, like it's a you know, out West it's just a different. Like the East coast, I want to say is is kind of like the craziest. You know your Midwest teams too, like you have that that fall. Like the Packers have such a following it's. But Arizona like and the fact that, like this, this team with that market, like you can argue that market's probably smaller than Baltimore, it's probably smaller than Milwaukee, it's probably like that's a small and like they're finding ways to bring it Like they bring in Montgomery.
Speaker 1:Last year, yeah, he didn't have the year that they wanted I mean, corbin Burns is like I'm not just saying that because he just played for the Orioles, whatever.
Speaker 1:Like he's probably top five, if not top ten. I mean he's a top five right-hand arm in a rotation in my book and like he was a number one last year for the Orioles, like he was number one on the Brewers, like Guy is a dog when and it's like like the Diamondbacks are just kind of like you know what we'll play around. And, like you said, if you've got to compete with a lineup like that, you know why not bolster the pitching staff. And I mean I've seen, you know pitching can win you a if they have enough hitting, you know enough hitting. And the pitching's elite, like you never know they're at least making things interesting and nobody really saw a team like that you know outbidding or just winning over Corbin Burns than like the Blue Jays, who have, you know more money than the country of Canada itself or the Red Sox that will show out or the Yankees or the Mets, like that's. I mean credit to them, credit to them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, 100%. And I mean you look at ah shoot, what was I? I just lost my train of thought. Yeah, I mean you mentioned like starting pitching gets you there. Look at the Brewers, look at what the Brewers have been able to do with their starting pitching. I mean it's been nothing but impressive there with what they've been. My fantasy team is getting rocked right now. I keep, I keep getting distracted here. Jay daniels is struggling tonight. We got a god software is freezing up on me over on this end. It's just. It's just a night right now.
Speaker 3:It's just a night the packers have started this for you, the packers have started this mess that is going on right now and I just I've had enough. I've just had enough of it. Uh, john did say uh, thoughts on golden bat rule. I mean we talked about it a little bit. I mean we get what they're trying to do with the golden bat rule. It's trying to improve the game. We both said we didn't believe it was going to improve the game in the way they wanted it to, but that's what they wanted to do with the whole thing. So I mean we'll leave it at that. He also did say dr pepper is better than search. So what is search?
Speaker 1:I've heard of it. I've heard of it. I I couldn't tell you what it is. I I've literally just heard of it.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm unfrozen, there we go. I'm unfrozen, perfect, we're back. We're back, we're good, we're good, we're good. He said dr pepper's better than surge. I don't know what surge is, I have no idea.
Speaker 1:No, idea Is Surge still around. It's like a You're talking vintage.
Speaker 3:I've heard of Dr Thunder. I've heard of Dr.
Speaker 1:Thunder, dr Thunder. I like that. That's a really nice. I like the noise.
Speaker 3:I think it's like an off-brand Mountain Dew kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Surge. I don't know if they still sell. I guess they still sell.
Speaker 3:I don't know. Dr Thunder is the off-brand Coke kind of thing. Mountain Lightning is the off-brand Mountain Dew. That stuff's clutch. It's not Mountain Dew but it's good enough.
Speaker 1:I'm a sucker for the store brand stuff. Our grocery stores are like called giant and wise out here giant and wise and man like, like y, with a y or y spelled why neither right. It's kind of it's w-e-i-s wise, like it's wise people will refer to as wise. Right, like older people will say, oh it's, it's Weiss Markets. But like, give me that. Like I bought peanuts earlier today, right Store brand 40 cents cheaper than what's that? That brand of peanuts it's everywhere.
Speaker 3:Oh, Mr Peanut.
Speaker 1:Mr Peanut, yeah, yeah, what the heck are those. Are they called Mr Peanut? No, but you're on the right track. You're like planters Planters, that's what it is Planters.
Speaker 3:With Mr Peanut, now we're on the same page.
Speaker 1:Give me a store brand. Give me a store brand. You save about, you know, 50 cents.
Speaker 3:Like 50 bucks. You save about 50 bucks.
Speaker 1:It adds up. It adds up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean yeah, hey, yeah, I mean yeah, hey, we're at an off topic right now. We got about 10 minutes left. I want to get to an off topic here that I saw today when I was scrolling around weird laws in the state of wisconsin. Okay, so these are some of the weird laws that I saw in the state of wisconsin. So the weirdest one in brookfield wisconsin, using someone else's phone to make a prank phone call, is against the law in Brookfield Wisconsin, a city law in the books in Brookfield states. You don't want to get caught using someone to be used to make or cause the telephone of another repeatedly or continuously to ring with the intent to harass any person against the law in Brookfield Wisconsin, hudson Wisconsin. You cannot. You have to have a screen door. That's basically what it's telling you. You got to have a screen door in Hudson Wisconsin. But here's the weird ones. Sheboygan Wisconsin, in Hudson Wisconsin. But here's the weird ones. Sheboygan Wisconsin.
Speaker 3:The city of Sheboygan municipal code includes making it illegal to water your lawn in a way that annoys your neighbor. So you can't water your lawn if it's going to annoy your neighbor there a little bit. If it's going to cause distress or annoyance to others. You cannot be watering your lawn like that. In Sun Prairie there's a nuclear restriction, so in Sun Prairie you cannot. It's illegal to make store or deliver nuclear weapons. I don't understand why that's just in Sun Prairie, wisconsin. I don't understand why that's not a known law everywhere that you cannot make store or just deliver nuclear weapons I I don't understand I would think that's like a you're not even with scott, like that's a united states law.
Speaker 1:Right, it has to be a law across the world.
Speaker 3:I don't understand why it's just a law in sun prairie, wisconsin, but it's a law it's a law there.
Speaker 3:But here's the weirdest one of them all in the state of wisconsin, in wasaw, which is just an hour from me, wasaw, wisconsin, just an hour from me. There, snowballs, throwing snowballs is against the law in wasaw, wisconsin. So it says no person is allowed to throw or shoot any object, including, without limitation, any arrow, stone or their missile or projectile, by hand or by any other means, at any other person or at, in or into any building, street, sidewalk, alley, highway, park, playground or any other public place within the city limits. You cannot throw it. They are putting a snowball on the same limitation as a freaking hand grenade. Is what I'm getting out of this. We cannot be throwing missiles, we cannot be throwing snowballs. They're in the same category. I don't understand why these are in the same category right now.
Speaker 1:I'm mind blown. I mean there's weird ones, but that's up there.
Speaker 3:The best is, it's an hour from me. I'm going into Wausau and I'm going to do a drive-by of snowballs and just see what happens. See what happens.
Speaker 1:That's a death wish, almost that's almost a death wish at that point.
Speaker 3:Can you imagine what did you do to get in here? I threw some snowballs.
Speaker 3:Like oh you're a bad guy, don't mess with that guy. I just I can't. It baffles me that they put in the same rule Like you cannot throw, basically, snowballs or missiles. Like why is that the same? Why is that the same? John's got one pets in cemeteries. I think I saw that one too, john in Sun Prairie, wisconsin Pets in cemeteries. Right there it is illegal to take your pet to a cemetery in Sun Prairie. Dogs and cats are prohibited from entry into all cemeteries. However, there is exemption for special service animals such as guide dogs, so you can take your guide dog in there, but no cats or dogs inside the cemeteries.
Speaker 1:I wonder, what is it like them peeing on?
Speaker 3:That could be. That could be. That could really. Maybe they had a problem with, like you know, people walking their dogs and they would walk through the cemetery or something and then they'd end up like dropping a deucer and then nobody would clean it up.
Speaker 1:And then the parks people when they come to mow the lawns or something, there's just you know crap all over the ground I mean that or the only other thing you know, when dogs start to like just dig out of nowhere, like they just, and maybe that became like.
Speaker 3:That's the only things I can kind of point to as or they watch that movie, pet cemetery and they're like we ain't dealing with none of that in sun prairie, wisconsin. We're avoiding all of that and keeping them out nightmares like nightmares that could be the. The mayor of sun prairie is like I ain't dealing with this. All right, I watched this movie last night. Let's sign this baby into law. We're done with it.
Speaker 3:We're done with it but I thought you know those rule, I mean some of those laws. I just I think I saw a tiktok. I saw a tiktok where the one guy mentioned one of the laws and I was like I want to look up the rest of them, see what's going on in the rest of the state of wisconsin, and those are, those are weird. Those are some weird laws that they got in the state. Nothing that you would have thought like, yeah, that'd be a law like no throwing snowballs, like basically putting a snowball on the same level as a missile, like that baffled me a little bit, not going to lie. But, aaron, I mean we got about five or so minutes left here. We got about five minutes here. I mean, aaron, anything else you got here that you wanted to talk about here to wrap up the show we got. I mean the NFL today. Your Eagles got a big win today against the Cowboys. That wasn't much of a game, no, and we don't go over our picks.
Speaker 3:I gotta get our pick. Oh yeah, I'll go over the picks.
Speaker 1:I did want to get you on a 30 second because I I'm not just from an eagle's perspective, like from an. Okay, let's say the packers are in the same position, right, I'll make it equivalent to you there. Josh jacobs is, I think, saquon's 101 yards away from dickerson's single season record, but I mean they really don't have anything to play for next week. Me personally, I'm not risking it. I don't care. Like he even came out. I mean he said all the right things right. It's about the team. You know I didn't come here to break a record, I came here to try and win whatever. But I mean I get it's a big record. But man, like the guy's had injuries in the past and you know what running back hasn't right, but it's. Would you play him next week at all? Would you give him a chance to break the record? Because if he gets injured, then Sirianni's getting, I mean, cooked in the media Like he's getting sautéed by everybody.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I would, I'm sitting him. I would sit him. Otherwise you're pulling like a cam ward situation with uh yeah, miami, there, that was complete stupidity. I I don't know how, if I'm in the shoes of cam ward over that weekend, there where I'm watching my team trying to win a bowl game, and they're down by one, late in the game and you're standing there watching your backup quarterback try to get the job done when you had played.
Speaker 3:It absolutely irritates me. It would irritate me if Saquon I don't know if it would irritate me as much I guess I was going to say if he started but then quit, I wouldn't say that it irritated me that Cam Ward started, then quit. He got the record and then he's just like I'm done, I'm done, I'm just gonna sit. Yeah, let's go to the sideline and watch my team just go out here and struggle like I. I would hate that. I would hate that it would. If saquon is the only one who plays, I'd be irritated that would be like you have tanner mckee.
Speaker 1:Like the offense, yeah, like the offensive line, is the second string. That would just be such a bad look.
Speaker 3:That would irritate me. Now if, like, you throw everybody out there because you're like I don't want us to get rusty for a week, I'd be like, if you give me it depends, right, are you like? Are you one of them guys who's like, oh, let's let him sit for an entire week? Or would you be like, oh, I'm going to let him go for two drives and then pull them out? I just don't. I want him to get reps in, right, because sometimes practice can only do so much to you. You don't want to get rusty going into the first week of the playoffs. So you're like, oh, maybe we'll give him two drives, see what happens and just feed Saquon the ball for two straight drives and just see what he could do. I mean, that'd be an option. That'd be an option to roll.
Speaker 1:That's the thing too. Like I don't want to go too long on this, but you know, Jalen hasn't played in two weeks now and he'll be off. You know concussion protocol. So it's like I think you've got to play him Like weeks and then you insert him into a playoff game, which is, you know, from zero to 100 real quick. To begin with, yeah, I think that's a mistake. So like then it creates the whole. Like well, if you have Jalen in there, why not put Saquon in there, make him more comfortable? Like I see that. But I just, yeah, I'm just putting Jalen in for probably five drives, four drives, something like that, get his feet under him. But like I mean, yeah, suppose Saquon like God forbid, but he gets hurt and like doesn't get the record and gets hurt and doesn't play the playoffs. Like you've not worth it, not worth it at all.
Speaker 3:That's what I would say. You're going to bring Jalen back. I'm playing him, no doubt because I need him to get in rhythm and I would start my offense, my starting offense. I'm throwing him out there for two drives. Because what rhythm are you getting Jalen Hurts in if you throw him out there with the second string wide receivers and the second string center and you're I mean Gainwell's your back Like, yes, you're going to have Gainwell a little bit, but what are you getting him reps for? I mean, yes, he's getting in-game action, but at the same time he's not getting reps with the dudes he's going to be out there with. So I would want him getting reps with the first team and I I honestly, I know injury's a risk, but I'm also one of them guys who, like I, don't want my guys to sit for a week, because I've seen what happens if guys sit for a week, an entire week. So I'd be okay with putting, you know, them out there for a drive, maybe two drive. If the first drive they walk down the field, they punch it in the end zone. Okay, maybe I'm thinking about just pulling them. That, because they put together a good drive, ended on a hot note. Don't let them go back out there, throw a pick or something and then have that in the back of their head. So just let them drive, see what they do. If they score a touchdown on the first drive, pull them. Be done with it there.
Speaker 3:Uh, john said I would sit him. He had a chance already. He only had 47 against the browns, 66 against cowboy, 65 steelers prior weeks. Yeah, I mean I get it. Yeah, he had, he had his chance, his chances at it. I mean it's a cool record though. It's a cool record there, john. I mean, come on, and you know, john mentioned greatly there 150 to 200 yards left on the board. I would agree, I would agree there.
Speaker 3:And then, exactly like you're saying, imagine he gets hurt and they lose in the second round. People would be calling for the coach's head even more, I agree. But then you have the people that would be calling for his head because they're like, why didn't you put him in there to get the record? Why didn't you let him get in there, right? I mean you have two sides of a coin that you have to play with. And then it's like well, what if he didn't get injured? What if he didn't get injured in that game. We didn't play him, he wasn't able to get the yards. You play the what if? Game.
Speaker 3:So I mean to me I don't want to risk injury, I agree, but at the same time I'm like I don't want my offense to get rusty either and I want Jalen Hurts to get in-game reps. So he's been out. I don't want him to sit for three weeks because, guess what, you bring him back in the first round of the playoffs against a good defense. I mean, I don't know if it's going to be the Packers or if they're going to have the commanders, but guess what? Both those defenses yes, I don't want to say the Packers right now because they didn't get after Sam Darnold, but you would expect both those defenses to come out fiery is to come out fiery, and if you're a little rusty you might fall into a hole, because we know jane daniels and jordan love on a good day. Those two offenses can get hot and they can make big plays and they can put you in a hole. Do you want to risk being put in a hole because your quarterback's rusty and that's where you kind of got to play that kind of favor there with uh, with jalen hurts.
Speaker 3:So I mean it's gonna be interesting to see and we're gonna talk more about this week in the nfl. We're gonna talk about that more on wednesday here on the show. We're gonna get into the complete slate everything we saw, everything like that. Give an update on the nfl. Are the standings? See where everything lies right now. The commanders are losing to the falcons 17 to 13, but I believe the commander's got the ball back. Jay daniels has got me 15 points, so we're going good in fantasy right now. So all is good on my end.
Speaker 1:But with that, aaron, anything else you got, we're gonna wrap it up here for the day no, I mean, uh, you know all the, all the people hanging on to those teams that aren't gonna make the playoffs. I mean your, uh, your season's quickly, quickly diminishing. So I mean I bet, you know, I it's. I think the packers make the playoffs more than the eagles, probably, but you know, those years where you don't, you know you completely miss the playoffs, it's like damn Like that's like that's rough, Like I remember.
Speaker 1:Aaron Rodgers last year, like you had to have thought like man, this is just, it's like you're just not invited to the party. Like you know, you just feel like, and especially if you're close, like if you're close. If you're close and you miss.
Speaker 3:That hurts, I agree, regular season's coming to an end.
Speaker 3:Yep, and it's getting spicy. We're going to look at it on Wednesday. But the AFC playoff picture the Bengals played themselves back into that picture. Now the NFC we got the Commanders and Packers trying to figure out who's going to be six, who's going to be seven. It is wild. It is a wild finish here. It's a wild card. That's why it's called the wild card. It's a wild finish. So with that, that's about all we got for today. It was a great show today.
Speaker 3:Thank you all for tuning in. We're going to be talking more packers on wednesday, talking about what's coming up. Well, you know a little bit more of a recap of this game Once we get our heads wrapped around it and what we saw. We're going to talk about Badger basketball. They're going to be back in action pretty soon here. Maybe some more transfer portal talk. Maybe the Xavier Lucas thing will figure itself out. We can talk about that a little bit more. All kinds of stuff to get into here Wednesday on the show. But with that, for Aaron and myself this has been Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trage. Thank you all for tuning in. We'll catch you guys back here on Wednesday, but until then, see ya.