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how we doing everybody and welcome into wisconsin sports on the go with trage. I'm your host, trage, we're coming back. It's sunday, is cold, it is just terrible outside. I can't even say it. It's just terrible outside. It is just absolutely terrible outside. It is right now I believe it was like negative five or negative seven feels like negative 15. Like it is just ridiculous right now out there. But hey, it was good weekend. It was a good weekend. Badgers got to win, packers did not lose Right, so that's good. Packers didn't lose lose, so that's. That's always a good thing there, but a lot of good football across the board. We want to get to it today here on the show. Aaron, how we doing Sunday night. You got a lot of. We got a little bit of snow out there.
Speaker 3:I didn't really know that up until watching that Philly and Rams game there, but got a little bit of snow yeah, absolutely, I'm like one of the only people at least like between family friends, all that, that like I love, I live for the snow. If it's going to be cold, I live for it. That's how I look at it. Now I could live without the cold altogether, that's fine. But yeah, I was, I'm here for it. You know shoveling, just you know we talked about that before where it's just kind of gives me some weird peace, man, I don't know what it is, but yeah, we got hit pretty good. It's not quite as cold. It's 15 here, so it's not I wouldn't say it's warm by any measure, but not, I guess, absolutely like your temperatures don't even make sense in my head, like that hurts my head to think about. But yeah, doing pretty good. I mean coming off an Eaglesagles.
Speaker 2:It doesn't always feel like a win, but they, they, they got it done somehow again I don't quite know how, but I watching that game I I right it was about that third quarter and I said to my I was sitting there with my uncle, we're watching the game and I was like the snow won this game. It wasn't the eagles, it wasn't the ramps, and if you're an eagles fan I know you're an e fan there, aaron. But I will argue with the Eagle fans all day long that between their two playoff games so far, between the snow and the Packers just killing themselves, what have they done to prove to me that they are a Super Bowl caliber team? They have good players. Yes, saquon Barkley fantastic, saquon Barkley's fantastic. Jalen Carter if he didn't do the stupid stuff on the sidelines and everything, I would love that guy Like he is a game wrecker. He'd be like an Aaron Donald kind of game wrecker, but he's just so stupid he does the stupid stuff on the sideline just irritates the crap out of me. So but yeah, outside of that fantastic player, their D line fantastic. But today I mean I'm watching and I'm like fumble, kyron Williams fumbles it. They just had. It was just after that safety when they got to safety and Kyron Williams fumbles it right back to him and it's like you had the shot. You had the shot there to take care of it. And then Matt Stafford fumbles the ball and it's like you guys are trying your darndest to lose this game right now.
Speaker 2:And that last play, that last play't, I don't get it. Well, first off it was a third and two. What I don't understand is, when it was a third and two, with like a minute to go, why are you trying to throw the football? Give it to kyron williams, let him try to bust two yards. Get a first down. You got time. You're not trying not to give it back to the eagles with any time. You got time. You got shots at the end zone. Then just get the first down. I I didn't agree with the play calling, but that last throw Matt Stafford had, where was it going to? You chucked it out of bounds Like it just blew my mind, like the last play of the Rams season had no shot. No shot.
Speaker 2:No, like that irritates the crap out of me. Like, at least throw a pick, at least throw it into the end zone and give Higby, give Nakua, give somebody a shot, but nothing, it just something was off. I don't know Matt Stafford was having a rough day. He had a really rough day. The snow didn't help and you know his offensive line was kind of getting beaten up there. But I thought the Rams played fantastic and that verse, that Jared verse on that D line for the Rams he is going to be a game wrecker.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love watching him and he talked the crap. He talked the crap going into Philly and I got to tell you he deserved to talk the crap. Like he walked in there. Two sacks in that first half, two huge sacks in that first half. I mean he was in backfield a lot during that game. Like he backed it up. Like you can talk crap and you don't back it up. He backed it up and then some in that game and bag it up. He backed it up and then some in that game.
Speaker 2:And I know, I know eagles fans are upset with it and they're they're yelling, you know adam and everything, and he's just like bring it on, bring it on, keep it coming like this is awesome. I don't know. I love, I love that, but I mean the rams did not help themselves and that's the worst part. It was like the packers, right, the packers did not help themselves against the eagles, the rams did not help themselves against the eagles. And it just makes you wonder, right, if you had a good game, if one of these two teams had a good game, what would have happened? Because Sirianni did not have his best game here. Call and plays. Jalen Hurts stunk. I mean, anybody who wants to tell me Jalen Hurts had a good day? I don't know what football game you were watching, I really don't he stunk. He stunk in this one and I get it was snowing and everything like that.
Speaker 2:But that does not make up the excuse for playing like that, like he just looks off, he does not look good at Saquon Barkley, that's it. Like if Saquon Barkley doesn't bust that one out late, I mean I don't know if it was the chiefs they would have called holding on that Cause I'm watching Saquon break that one out and I I can't have called it, but he was getting held a little bit and I'm like a little bit old there I don't know like bust the hole open. But it happens, it happens. But even the eagles offensive line here and I'm like the eagles offensive line isn't playing well like there was I I don't like you could look bits and pieces of this game and look that they're playing well, but when the rams couldn't throw the football, I was like it's over. They, they can't throw the football consistently. I was like it's over. And then at the end of the game they're chucking it down the field pretty easy. So it's like where was this 10 minutes ago? I, I just don't get it. I don't know. No there's.
Speaker 3:I mean, from what you said, there's a lot to unpack. I mean I, I think I, I will. I'm with you on the fact I think kellen moore sucks. I cannot stand. I think he is awful I really do.
Speaker 3:Everybody wants to give him credit. They're good record they're. I think they're winning in spite of him. Like I would be very happy if he takes a head coaching job and I honest to god think he'll fall on his face so hard. I just a guy. He doesn't have a feel for the. Maybe it's sirianni sticking his nose in the offense because they said you know he'll still have that permission to do so, but I don't necessarily buy it. When they had shane steichem, this offense looks so like it did decision making look better. Jalen hurts looked more comfortable like it. Just and I'm not trying to take anything away from from jalen hurts he played. He played like crap. Like you said he, he didn't look good. I think matt stafford absolutely was awful.
Speaker 2:Too hot garbage, matt I don't know what was up with him today. It just did not look like even Matt's. I get the snow and everything, but even that strip sack that they had, the strip sack he's holding onto it with one hand. This isn't a veteran quarterback move. You feel the pressure coming, you tuck the second hand in there. It didn't feel like Matt Stafford today.
Speaker 3:No, that was bad. That was a bad showing for for him. I mean, cooper cup has become like a non-factor at this point. I mean he's just it's crazy to think that. But I mean, puka, like puka played well. I'm not trying to take anything away from them, but he looked like he was freezing his behind like that guy, like every time they paneled to his face. I'm like this guy cannot withstand that. Like he could not play another. You know, let's just say another half of football in this weather. Like he couldn't make it. So I, I don't know, I, I agree with you. I think you know if anybody's handing you know other teams a chance, it's jalen hurts, like I, I don't. I mean aj brown had two drops that were horrible too. Like the guy complains non-stop. You know, get me the. You know he acts like a diva. He comes to the locker room. You know I'm good, I'm good, but you can tell he's upset. He's like a crybaby, he's like Terrell.
Speaker 3:Owens to me at this point and then you know he goes out there today and drops two point blank. You know perfect passes, like you know, jalen's not giving you a lot of perfect passes on the day. The ones he did give you you had to go right between his hands. I get it's cold, but once again you're talking all that nonsense. During the week You're diverting attention towards you, not the team. I hate that. I really do. He's just. I don't know this team is. You can't play like that against a good, like the way the commander, nothing.
Speaker 2:You want to touch the commanders playing like this.
Speaker 3:You can't like, I can't, I don't want to smash on the pack, the packers and the and the rams, but they're not very good right now no, you can get away with it, that's.
Speaker 3:I mean, neither one of those teams impressed me, like not that the eagles really impressed me, but those teams are, are just not that competitive, they're just not. So when you play a team like the commit, like if Jalen Hurts doesn't bring it next week, we're packing our bags and that's it. But I, I mean a win's a win. I, I, I thought for sure the Rams were gonna, you know like, put that in at the end like I, I hated the play calling that last drive. Right before we give the ball back, that second down where they roll out. They're rolling Hurts out to his, like his, weak side, you know like.
Speaker 3:I'm like Kellen Moore 101. Just, guys are genius, but it's uh, you know that, set up the punt, then, you know, the Rams go down. I mean the Rams, like you said, they're completing passes. Philly's playing like a soft shell defense in the fourth, like on that drive, like letting them basically have some of those, and I it, it looked like a typical Philadelphia collapse, like in in every way possible. But the Rams, just, I mean they sold when it, when it really mattered. They had nothing, they really had just and and, like you said so well, there it was like if I'm, if I'm a Rams fan, I, I, I'm really only because he didn't even give you a chance in the end, like, what do you like? There's no excuse, there's none for me.
Speaker 2:Why isn't Nakua running an out route? Why are you trying to hit the sideline Like that's such a tough, that's a long tough throw that you're trying to make Matthew Stafford make to Nakua there? I just, I don't know that. One, fourth down, it's like fourth and 10, just hammer it, but third and two call, or you're trying to throw it there because I mean, and nobody picked up the blitz, or coming straight up the gun, like nobody saw him, like come on, like it's just terrible play calling all the way around. But I mean, eagles win. Like you said, a win's a win. I wouldn't even say saquon barkley won this game. For him I would say it was jake elliott. I would which because for him, to go out there.
Speaker 3:He's sold too, I tell, like the extra points, and I'm one, though.
Speaker 2:Today. I mean to walk out there. What do you have? He had a couple field goals there, didn't he?
Speaker 3:He had three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was three for three. Three for three and two of them were in the snow where they had to clear him a spot, like that's impressive. That's impressive. I know it wasn't from deep, but in the snow that's hard to do. And I mean put it on your snapper and also your holder there too, because I was watching, you know, and they showed the replay. I'm watching like the holder catch that ball and have to put it down perfect, and it's like that's hard to do regularly. That's even harder to do when it's snowing, like that's hard. And to see him, it was perfect all the way through.
Speaker 2:Like Jake Elliott had himself a day. I mean, yeah, the extra points, that it really irks you a little bit. But I mean you take away two or one field goal in this game and it's a completely different. The Rams. One less field goal, right, the Rams. All they had to do is get in the field goal range then and they could have tied it and went to overtime. So it completely changes this game. So Jake Elliott had a good day there. But, yeah, like you said, I mean you're not beating the commanders playing like this. You're not. After watching them completely route the lions. I told you, aaron, our picks right. I said to you.
Speaker 2:I said the commanders, the lions, I said they could do it and I was like I'm watching that game and they just I mean to talk about a good quarterback, jane daniels, a good quarterback, like that son of a gun didn't blink. I mean, the pressure was on. He's at ford field. The fans are riled up. That's a good defense and they were dialing up blitz after blitz and to see how many completions he had. I can't remember the stat, I saw it up on the tv screen when I was watching there but to see how many completions he had when the blitz was on and he had guys in his face and he just dump it off and first down it was. I mean, just it was a masterful performance and I loved it. I loved it. I don't watching the lions. I think they got too fancy right. They threw that trick play in there. I was jameson williams, tried to throw that one down the sideline to jameer gibbs and it got picked off. I was like why it just they got too fancy with it. Jared Goff had one of his worst games at the worst possible time and we've talked about guys having their worst game at the worst possible time. Jared Goff is suspect of that, but I mean I said it going in that Lions defense. They had one of the worst past defenses in the league, one of the worst. What did the commanders do? Well, they slung that baby around, right, that's what they want to do. Loved it. Loved it there.
Speaker 2:We got Dustin good buddy, my Dustin in the comments tonight here he said the North looked ugly the last two weeks. Yeah, isn't that something? The NFC North, as great a division as it looked like, we didn't make it out of the divisional round and the lions got a free pass to get there. So you can't even count them both. All teams knocked out in their first game there. That's something, I mean, that tells you the depth of a conference. There I go. Season looked good. Lions kind of bit bit it in that second round there. But the vikings and packers man, wow. I mean puts into perspective what the rest of the league really looks like. But we did talk about the eagles there, right, I mean they're kind of just skidding along at this point here. I I do expect the eagles will figure it out. I do expect they're gonna put they're gonna.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean they either do that or they go home. Though that's the thing. Like, yeah, I I don't think you'll see the commander. I mean, if they drop a 40 piece on the eagles I'll be shocked, just because, like you know how you mentioned that the lions defense isn't very good. Jared Goff is not very good in big games Like now. We can make that assumption. You know what I mean. Once again, I mean you turn the ball over three times. You're going to put points on the board if you're Washington, but Washington's going to give you, I don't know, like it's more so the way they're. I'm not going to go as far as to say like Jane Daniels is better than Stafford. He probably is right now, like at this particular moment.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, it's just the trajectory that like they're trending, like how we kind of talked about the Packers limping into the playoffs, how we talk about the Lions like hot into the playoffs but then boom, they're out. Like it's one of those. They are the hottest team in football. Like bar none. They're the hottest team in football. Like they, no one expects them to be here. I mean they haven't been in the NFC championship and I I can't remember the, the year 1992 or something yeah, something like that, yeah, yeah so I mean they, they're playing with house money and then some and that's the scary thing, right like washington, I mean, yeah, they impressed.
Speaker 3:I, I think detroit added to the fire, they, detroit threw gasoline on the fire, like they just said. You know what? Have it because goff just oh man that's. And I feel bad, I know they're, they're a division rival for you and I'm sure you're deep down you're probably, like you know, clapping and things.
Speaker 2:But oh yeah, I was all commanders. I was all commanders all night long. I was like very, very old boys those fans have, I mean bar none.
Speaker 3:Those fans have probably the word I mean browns, lions.
Speaker 2:I just don't like Kirby Joseph. I don't like Kirby Joseph.
Speaker 3:I don't either. I'm with you. I don't like the line run of St Brown.
Speaker 2:I don't like those two and they just put the whole narrative on that team then for me. But the one of the weekend and this is the one I want to get to real fast before season's Chiefs game, that Patrick Mahomes twice, there's two calls, two calls in that game and I hate, I hate blaming refs. I hate blaming refs with a passion I do. But how, how are guys supposed to tackle anymore? Actually, I'll give you three calls. Right, because we did this new hip drop tackle. Right, dalton Schultz, in the open field there was a hip drop tackle. Literally you can look up the definition of a hip drop tackle and that play was it didn't call anything. No flag, right, no flag at all. Then patching homes goes to. Does a late slide. Two texans guys go over top of each other and hit each other's heads. They go over the top of them, unnecessary roughness. Right, hit the quarterback late. Another flag now patching homes.
Speaker 2:He does this stupid thing. He does this all the time and the packers did it to him last year I believe it was jonathan owens met him on the sideline. He goes and he'll go to the sideline, but he won't go out of bounds. He'll try to get an extra couple yards, because he doesn't think you're gonna hit him. Well, this one. He slowly went out of bounds to bait guys to come and hit him. So they hit him, pushed him out of the bounds the rest of the way. Oh flag, throw the flag right he flopped.
Speaker 2:He flopped don't even can't say chief fans, don't give me that crap. He flopped, you know that. You know he did. You know that was a late slide. I am so sick of this right because even and you know what makes me even more sickening was the eagles packers game that fumble on the kickoff. The n NFL went back and they fined Owen Burks for an illegal hit to Keyshawn Nixon. We went to instant replay on that. How do you not see helmet to helmet contact there? But we can look a week later and then we can come back and say that it's an illegal hit, do we not, do we? I mean, honestly, it actually hurts me as a Packer fan, because do you know what changed the entire tide of that game?
Speaker 2:The opening kickoff, literally the opening kickoff. The Packers get the ball first. What happens? You fumble it. The Eagles get the ball. They score a touchdown. After that, the Packers defense only gave up three points in the entire half. You're talking about the difference between a three-point game and a 10-point game going into half. That's huge. That's huge.
Speaker 2:But the NFL continues to do this crap of crap with these refs where they're like oh yeah, you know, let's cater to a guy. Let's cater to a guy. Let's call these late-slide bull crap right? I'm so sick of it. Honestly, to me it's when you leave the pocket. You're a runner. That's it. You're a runner Now. You're no longer. You're no longer a quarterback. You're no longer in the pocket. You are now a runner. Why should we protect you more than we protect Saquon Barkley? Why should we protect you more than we protect Puka Nakua? When you leave that pocket, you are now clarified as a runner and you're at your own risk. That's what you have to play it as, because you're asking defenders to go at half speed constantly, half speed, constantly. You can't do that. You can't ask them to do that. It's terrible. It is terrible. It's a terrible. Look on the game and I'm so sick of watching this. Patrick Holmes is a fantastic. I mean, he's the greatest quarterback in the game right now. Greatest quarterback in the game right now. Greatest quarterback in the game. Watching him play, he's fantastic. But I'm sick of these bull crap calls. I am Like I don't want to say the reason why the Chiefs are going to the AFC championship game again is because of the refs.
Speaker 2:I don't want to say that, but what I want to say is when you look at some of those plays within that game, the Texans got screwed, they got screwed and it's amplified now and we've seen it week after week after week after week and it keeps happening. It keeps happening and everybody's like well, you can't, at some point we gotta stop blaming the refs. Right, the chiefs are just good. We gotta stop blaming the refs. Okay, then play a game where people don't have to look back into it.
Speaker 2:Why is it always in crunch time, why is it always in the most important moments that they call a holding, that there's something stupid that happens in a game that benefits solely one team? Explain that one to me. Lions, vikings fans. Don't tell me that it's because the Packers get all the calls, because guess what, keyshawn, nixon got head-to-head and we didn't get a call there. So I mean, it's just, I don't know. I'm so sick of the NFL reffing and officiating. I'm so sick of it at this point, all these craptastic rules that they're putting out there. I want to protect players. I do. I want players to be protected. I think they've put a lot of good rules in there to protect players, but at the same time, I think guys like Patrick Mahomes are taking advantage of those rules. And when you take advantage of those rules, then you need to fix it again, because otherwise you're taking away what a game could be.
Speaker 3:No, absolutely could be. No, absolutely. I mean if, like you said, if you can't see it by now, you're just, you're either living through, you know, your kansas city chiefs glasses, or you're just like there's people that will never deny that the refs help certain teams or certain situations. They just, I mean, there somebody gets hosed. I, I just truly believe that sometimes, um, without getting too like in depth on on why, but you know, here's an example like perfect, perfect, you know class, a example of the chiefs just getting calls Like and I, and like you said that that call where, where he's like leaning towards the sideline, like I you know, I don't want to make it about the Eagles or whatnot there was a play where Jalen hurts was like completely out of bounds. Then they ripped them down out of bounds, like he's completely out, both feet are out, way out, yeah, and I'm like, and I'm like, okay, they're not gonna call that, like there's, there's plenty of examples. I mean, you know, watching this bill's um ravens game, like, and I'm not even a big like lamar guy, whatever, but there's, there's place, he gets absolutely rocked out, you know, right near the sideline. They don't call it like. He just gets back up.
Speaker 3:You know, I've seen baker mayfield take absolute shots, like like he's put, he's slammed into the bench and they're not. But if somebody lays a finger on the homes in the in the wrong time and that one play, he's he. I think he made a complete or it was an incomplete. You know he goes, he throws it. The texans guys like I mean he rocks them in the chest. Clean hit, though Perfectly clean hit, and he's just looking at the.
Speaker 3:He has turned into LeBron to a certain degree and it's a shame. It's a shame we've gotten there in the NFL. I know it's about protecting the quarterbacks and keeping the guys in the game as long as possible, but when does it end? If it only gets worse? To a lot of people, I like it's if it. If it only gets worse, like I, it's. To a lot of people. I know it's getting unwatchable already and and at this at the same rate, like I don't know if they're gonna do anything about it. It's just that he's the, he's the golden child. Now he's like brady 2.0, he's protected no matter what and it's it sucks, but it's just like, if you like, I forget it was somebody on the Texans, anderson, I think.
Speaker 3:Last name there, defensive end Anderson. He's like we knew we had to play everybody. We had to play the Chiefs, the Refs and everybody else. So I mean he's going to get a massive fine, I expect it. But I respect him for saying that because that's keeping it real. I couldn't agree more Like he hit the nail on the head. It's the situation now and and people are going to deny it and give you reasons why but if you watch games and you deny it, I just I don't go somewhere else with that.
Speaker 2:I like I don't want to take away from the chiefs. They're a good team. They're a good team Like Patrick Holmes, travis Kelsey. Travis Kelsey has been playing well in the playoffs, away from what they are. But why is there so much controversy after every win? Why? Why does it have to be so much controversy because of it? Because of it, win a football game straight up. That's all we're asking for. Don't have the refs. If you're the nfl, stay out of it. Let the game go on its own. Let it go on its own. We did have one across text in line. They said that he did the lebron going on a bounce there. So they're in agreeance with you on the lebron. But but Dustin brings up a good point there too in that Lions game.
Speaker 2:Jared Goff on that interception. You're not supposed to be able to hit a quarterback if he's not going after the guy with the ball right, you're not supposed to be hit the quarterback. They went and cleaned his clock. He went out with a concussion well, didn't go out with a concussion right, but ended up in the medical tent after that. And Teddy Bridgewater had come in but went straight to the NFL. I think it wasn't Mike Pereira, I don't remember who was the rules analyst that they had on the game, but went straight to him and he's like, yeah, that's supposed to be a flag, like that's a flag all day long, like you're not supposed to be able to hit a quarterback if he's not going after the guy who just picked off the football or anything like that. And no call, jared Goff just gets lit up, ends up in the blue tent, no call. And I guarantee you we're gonna wait and in a week from now they're gonna come back and they're gonna say, oh, the nfl has fined so and so for the hit that he had on jared goff.
Speaker 2:Great, what does that do now? Right, lions fans, how does it make you feel now? Right, packer fans, how's it make you feel now that owen burke's got a fine for hitting keyshot nixon head to head? But you know a legal penalty, right, it's a penalty in the game of football and we're supposed to call this. We're supposed to be protecting players, no crown of the helmet going down, but Owen Burks gets a fine. A week later you went back to instant replay. You looked over it 14 times to see if Keyshawn Nixon had the ball, and a lot of people are in agreeance that he did. But who cares? Right, I'm over it now, but it's the fact that you go back a week later and you go, yeah, here you go on burks, here's a fight.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what's it?
Speaker 2:matt, I mean, what's it matter a?
Speaker 3:lot of these guys it's chump change right, like maybe to owen burks.
Speaker 3:It's not because he's like you know, but it's yeah yeah, it's, it's just like you said, the fact that they're watching this in real time and then they're maybe even not that you know they miss it in real time. They see, like you said, they're sitting there and like they're watching it, probably slower than we've ever seen it. Right, they have, they have stuff, you know the technology they have access to and they still get it wrong. Like, come on, man, like we're not that stupid, like Americans might not be the smartest people as a, as a society, but come on, like just be real, know, like be authentic. Like it's getting, it's getting cheesy, it really I mean it is it's and it's.
Speaker 3:You know, certain guys get calls and certain guys and and that whole argument will like you know, hey, jordan love shouldn't get, wouldn't get that call, he hasn't earned the respect. But patrick mahomes flags a flag. I. I don't agree with that. In in basketball I don't agree with it. Like oh, lebron needs. You know he gets that call every time. Why wasn't the guy on the on the Timberwolves on the bench get the same call? A call is a call, a penalty is a penalty.
Speaker 2:Like you know it doesn't change player by player. I agree, I've heard that before too. It's like, oh yeah, he's a vet lebron's lebron, if he wants to complain to her. If I was a ref, I don't care if you're lebron or if you're brawny, I don't care, I'm teeing you up either way. Right, I don't care. But it's a fact that we have referees out there who have to coddle veterans because, oh, they're the precious baby of the league. So that's what we got to do. That's what we got to do.
Speaker 1:He's got it's, we got it I hate it.
Speaker 2:I, I absolutely hate it. I I don't know how. You know, like tom brady, they always said that he got special treatment. They always said aaron rogers got special treatment. I don't, I don't like that, I don't. But now you see quarterbacks coming in, like you know, as you said, baker mayfield, even jay daniels, jared goff they get rocked and it's like I didn't play, I didn't see it. Keyshawn Nixon gets rocked on the opening kickoff and we stop the game, we go and look at it and we still don't see it. But we see it a week later. Nfl officials had to have looked at it a week later and said, yeah, that was a legal contact, who was looking at it night of Night, of who was looking at it, because that's a game changer that changes the whole complexion of that game. But yet nothing, nothing. We'll look at a week later, we'll figure it out. I don't know. I just the.
Speaker 2:I don't want to believe the nfl is rigged. I don't. I don't because it's going to ruin everything for me. If I believe it's rigged, right then it's like the wwe. At that point I don't want to believe it's rigged.
Speaker 2:But what I do believe is there's a lot of coddling, that goes on. And there's a lot of special treatment for certain players. I will agree, they're 100 with that. There's a lot of stupid agreement. I I don't know how people can't see that. And if you can't, like you said, you have the chief's glasses on, you have whatever glasses on.
Speaker 2:If you don't believe that, insert holding calls. I've always said holding calls, you can call holding on every single play if you wanted to call it. But why does it only happen? If I'm a referee? I honestly don't understand it. End of games. I swallow my whistle. I do If I was in an end of a game and it's game on the line when the Rams were driving on the Eagles, I am calling nothing, unless if it's blatant, like pass interference or something stupid or terrible.
Speaker 2:Holding right, he drags them to the ground or something crazy. I'm letting it go. Everything is let go. Because why? Why would you want to ruin a game? Why do you want to stamp your fingerprints all over what just happened in that game? I don't. I want to be the guy who's like. I ref that game. That was an epic comeback that the Rams just had. They drove down the field in the snow and put it in the end zone. Now, no penalties were really hingent on that drive, but what I'm saying is like if you would have called a holding or something, dropped the Rams back 15 yards, like something crazy, like that.
Speaker 3:And not to like. I swear to God, I'm not trying to make it about the Eagles all the time, it's just that holding call against the Chiefs in the Super Bowl they put themselves in that position Like the second half was the worst second half I've ever seen them play. But to call that like where Bradbury doesn't even I mean they swipe by right Like they exchange hands, basically and to call that there and the ball wasn't even close to catchable, like Mahomes just was, like you know, I'm going to throw it there because I saw that for half a second, like that is so Bush league to me. And like I said, yeah, I'm coming from an Eagles fan and that was like that's the ball game, but that I mean come like. When it comes down to a call like that that's holding, like that's a pass interference.
Speaker 3:I've seen so much worse Never get caught, not even like what was that? The, the, uh, the saints and the, the vikings, whatever guy got like lit up, um, he got like drilled before the ball came and like no fly, and then the referee's standing right there and he saw it happen like don't. So yeah, they, they, they want to call it when they want to call, they don't. When they don't, it's, I don't know it. People are still going to watch. That's the thing, it's just they need to. In my, they need to fix it, but until there's, like you know, millions of people not watching it, they're not going to fix it.
Speaker 2:So no, why would you? Why would you still make money anyways?
Speaker 3:But yeah, it's people like I think the NFL loves the country Like I.
Speaker 2:I think they, they thrive on that. So he's the new villain. He's the new villain in the nfl and every. You need a villain, right, you need a villain in every league and that's who it is right now. Right now, mine's the eagles, because they should have lost twice already and somehow they keep moving on. So they're my villain at this point here. It's just like I, I, aaron, I know you love the eagles and I know we got to get to, we're gonna get to an ad break here, but I know you love the Eagles, I know you do. It's just man, oh man. If there was a more deserving, a less deserving team at this point I don't know who it is Like the commanders, they worked their way to this point. The Lions had a bye, but the Eagles I mean the Packers laid an egg. They sucked themselves right.
Speaker 2:Three interceptions by Jordan Love. You had, I mean fumble on the opening kickoff. And then you have the day with the rams. Matthew stafford fumbles twice, kyron williams fumbles once, two lost fumbles there. And then you also had the fumble when they, if they, if kyron williams would have held on to the ball I know he recovered that one, but if you would have held on to the ball would have been a touchdown. Instead he fumbles it backwards. They have to go back and get it end up with a field goal. I mean so many things that couldn't go the Rams way. And it's just like, oh man, like well. I mean, eagles are winning games right, they're winning games and that's what matters. But at the same time, it's like everything that could go wrong for the opposing teams is going wrong for those opposing teams right now.
Speaker 3:Just just at least sit with. This is we have one Superbowl. It took everything to get the one we had. So it's not like we, it's like we're the lions, but we've just had a little bit more success. You know, I mean like it's. It's not like we're some powerhouse like new england team that was getting every call. I mean they come up with a call for the tuck rule. That that is the most atrocity. You know that's the one of the biggest atrocities ever in the nfl, in my opinion. You know the raiders had that game in their grasp and they get ripped it out and they make a rule after the fact like come, like. So I I'm not here to. You know, if you hate, if you don't want the eagles to advance, I get it, I understand. But at least like we, we get punched in the gut time and time like, and our own team does it too our own, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I don't hate the eagles, I don't. I don't hate them. I just think all the eagles fans out there that I have to listen to right now tell me that, oh, they're playing so much good football right now and they're doing this well and this well and it's like, yeah, but Jalen Hurts is sucking and I still don't trust, you can't trust the receiving core if you don't have a quarterback to throw to them. So there's that. The offensive line looked awful today. They didn't look good. They had times, they had times, they had moments, but outside of that I didn't think the offensive line looked good. The defense, the front four, looked good, but after that, zach Vaughn looked good. Don't get me wrong. Zach Vaughn always looks good, but the secondary the secondary yeah, wisconsin guy.
Speaker 2:I always got to give him his props. Right Today I was like my uncle and I were sitting there. I was like he's crossing lines, like still like him, but dude, wrong team. All right, like wrong team there, but the secondary for the eagles still gives me, gives me nerves right now. So it's like if you're an eagles fan out there and you're like this eagles team is rolling like pump the brakes, boys, pump the brakes. You ain't beating the chiefs and the refs playing like this, that's all gotta play those refs yeah you gotta play.
Speaker 2:Those refs do too. So well, we gotta hit an ad break. We're gonna come back. We had brian gutekens talking to the media. We did not get to that last last week there, so we want to get to that today here. We gotta talk about the badgers. We gotta talk about the xavier lucas situation. We're gonna talk about xavier lucas on the back side of this ad break here. So we'll see you guys on the other.
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Speaker 2:I just saw across Twitter there that Zedaria Smith is no longer satisfied with the direction of the Lions so he will now be joining the Chicago Bears because he's dissatisfied with the Packers, the Vikings and the Lions now. So he's going to go to the Bears to beat up on all three because he's psychotic like that. So just saw that across Twitter, did not see that he's going to the Bears, just saw that he's dissatisfied. So he's only got one team left that he could go to to beat the crap out of the other one. So we'll see him with the Bears next season there. So, aaron, let's get into it.
Speaker 2:Xavier Lucas the guy the saga that keeps on giving, keeps us here, gives us just loving this, just loving this. The Xavier Lucas saga continues. Uw came out and told us their statement, so did the Big Ten. So now we got the Big Ten involved too. The Big Ten Conference stands in full support of the University of Wisconsin regarding the contractual agreement between student-athlete Xavier Lucas and the Wisconsin football program. As student-athletes become active participants in revenue sharing, it is critical that agreed-to obligations be respected, honored and enforced In light of the current laws and association rules, information suggesting tampering and contract interference in the case by the University of Miami is very troubling. These actions undermine the efforts of its own conference as the ACC continues its collaboration with other A4 conferences in developing a sustainable framework for college sports. The situation is just the latest example of a critical need for substantial governance reform. So the Big Ten Conference is now backing the Badgers. I love that. I love that the Big Ten said dude, we got your backs, we understand what you're fighting for. We got your backs there. And I have Wisconsin's statement here too, as UW. So they said we are disappointed that Xavier Lucas has chosen to withdraw from the University of Wisconsin. He has been a valued member of the football program. We were looking forward to helping him continue to grow as a student, a person and a football player. To helping him continue to grow as a student, a person and a football player.
Speaker 2:On December 2nd 2024, xavier and Wisconsin Athletics entered a binding two-year NIL agreement, reflecting his strong commitment to continuing with the university. We understand that he has also executed a separate agreement with the Varsity Collective, his agreement with Wisconsin Athlet athletics, including substantial financial compensation for xavier. Under the terms of the agreement between xavier and wisconsin athletics, it remains in effect and enforceable. Badger. Student athletes who have signed these agreements expect wisconsin athletics to honor the terms in turn. Wisconsin athletics relies on student athletes representations in signing these agreements that will do the same. A request to enter the transfer portal, uh, after entering into such agreement, is inconsistent with the representations and mutual understanding of the agreement and explains the reason for not processing a transfer, a transfer portal request, under these circumstances. So basically, it goes on to talk about, you know everything they had to do In there. But Well, we got our story. We got our story. Now. We know that there's a contract, we know that it was in place. We know that it binded Xavier Lucas To the university For two years and Xavier Lucas Tried to dip and he did.
Speaker 2:He. He did. He withdrew from the University of Wisconsin because they wouldn't honor his transfer portal. So he withdrew and he is currently enrolled in Miami. So he enrolled to the University of Miami.
Speaker 2:Now I love it. I love it because that boy ain't going to play a lick of football down there until this whole thing's figured out. He ain't getting in for spring practice. He can't transfer. He legally has not transferred yet to the university. So I don't know if he can sign up for football at this point here.
Speaker 2:So the University of Wisconsin. They came out and they said dude, we got you signed up for two years. You agreed to this, we agreed to this. You have money coming from the Varsity Collective too, and you're going to try and back out now? They're sick of their guns.
Speaker 2:The best part is, I had to see that numbnuts over there on Twitter. Um, they're his Twitter lawyer, right, the guy who is the NIL uh director down there, whatever you want to call him, he teaches NIL and everything about it down at Miami. He came out and he's like Wisconsin doesn't have any grounds to stand down and everything like that. They can't hold them accountable to this and everything like that. Like that, they can't hold them accountable to this and everything like that. And I wanted to tweet back to him and just say dude, do you think the big 10 lawyers and Wisconsin lawyers wouldn't have told Wisconsin or the big 10 not to get involved with this If they thought this was going to end poorly for them?
Speaker 2:The big money corporation as in the big 10, wouldn't have stuck their nose into it and would have said eh, wisconsin, you're on your own, we don't agree with you. We're not in agreement with you. You don't have a case here, we're not going to back you, right? Why would the big 10 have backed Wisconsin if they didn't agree? If they were like you don't have ground to stand on, they want to protect their guys, right, they want to protect Wisconsin. So they would have said you guys got to back down, you guys got to back down, like let's just let this go Back down. But the Big Ten said, nope, nope, we back them, we're in agreement with Wisconsin, we agree with what they're standing on here. And then Wisconsin stands on it.
Speaker 2:Aaron, I'm telling you this now this ain't going to end pretty and it ain't going to end pretty for Xavier Lucas. I don't care what anybody says at this point I don't, because if anybody out there is trying to defend Xavier Lucas, I want you to put this into perspective for a second. Okay, imagine you're an employer. Imagine you're an employer for a second and you hire on a guy. You sign him to a contract right, I'm gonna give you this mountain money, but you got to play two years for me. You got here, you got to work two years for me, right, you got to work two years. And after this was just signed. This was just signed, december 2nd. December 2nd, this after the season, right, so two more years and you didn't even work a day in that contract and you just said, eh, I want to go, I want to leave, I want to leave.
Speaker 2:Right, how would you feel as an employer? Right, how would you feel? These are employees At the end of the day.
Speaker 2:This is what I want everybody to realize, and I don't understand how hard it is to realize when money is being shared, when money's being split around. You are now an employee, you now work. That's your job now. It's plain and simple. You sign a contract. It's plain and simple. I don't understand how these hardheaded people there's hardheaded people out there because there was thousands of comments on this saying that Xavier Lucas free. Xavier Lucas, he's just being held hostage, basically saying he's tied up in Luke Fickle's basement. That's how they're making this out to be here. There's people out there who don't understand life. Get off your keyboard these keyboard warriors out there who think that they understand things and they want to get behind a cause. Right, let's get behind a cause here. Shut up, Look it up. Understand life for a second. Understand contracts when you're sitting in your mom or dad's basement down there. I'm in my own basement shooting this night here in the den, right Down in the den, here I'm in a basement, so talking out loud there.
Speaker 3:That's your basement, though that's the den, it's my basement. I own this basement right, but when you're sitting in your mom or dad sitting, here, mom, you're like, oh, this poor little fella.
Speaker 2:This poor little fella, just like, let's get him out of wisconsin because they're holding the message shut up. Like, understand something for a second before you get on the keyboard, before you get all stupid with it, before you look at this numb nuts from miami trying to teach you how it all works. What the heck was his name there? I can't remember his name. What the heck was his name there? I can't remember his name now.
Speaker 2:What the heck was his name? Darren Heitner, that was his name. Before you start reading Darren Heitner's Twitter page here, where he's being a keyboard warrior there too, right, being a keyboard warrior. Wisconsin won't answer me. They won't answer me. Nobody cares. Wisconsin doesn't care who you are. When you want to talk to Wisconsin, guess what. They'll meet you in the courtroom. Doesn't care who you are. When you want to talk to Wisconsin, guess what. They'll meet you in the courtroom. When they want to talk, they'll meet you. They'll meet you. They have no right reason anything to have to talk to you.
Speaker 2:You are some instructor down at Miami who teaches NIL. That's what you are. Nobody cares who you are Honestly nobody. There's tampering. We know there was tampering in this. Why did all of a sudden? Why wouldn't here?
Speaker 2:Let me put in perspective for a second. The one team that was accused of tampering, of trying to get Xavier Lucas, is currently the university that he's residing at. Let's make that make sense for a second. Let's make that make sense. If you went to Alabama had been like, huh, why did they accuse Miami of tampering? No, he ended up at miami, ended up at miami. After he lives in miami, he lives down in florida, that's where he resides. Interesting. He goes home and then he comes back and all of a sudden he's like, yeah, I'm transferring, see you later, dudes. And then he says, well, you know, he came up with a good I shouldn't say excuse, but he came up with, you know, his dad is sick and everything like that which hopefully you know your dad is okay and everything. I praise to you and your family, but that doesn't take the contract fact out of it.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, that's the cold hearted fact about the world, right.
Speaker 2:That doesn't Like. Okay, fine, you want to take the contract out. If there was money that was already flipped hands, give it back. Give it back Easy enough. Until you do that, guess what?
Speaker 2:There's your problem, dustin, in the comments there should have never paid them. College guys Should have never paid them out there, opened up this can of worms. I agree. I agreed with it when it happened. I said college guys should not be paid. I said it's going to open up a can of worms. I think the problem was, though, they don't regulate it. That's the problem. You can give them money for name, image and likeness, but you have to regulate it. You have to put guys in structural contracts. You can't just expect young college kids to respect the contract, to give year by year. We're seeing it right now, and this is what I said from the beginning. I told you this a long time ago, aaron. I am happy that Wisconsin is sticking to their guns. I am happy for it and the rest of college football. I hope that Penn State the AD at Penn State is giving high fives to Chris McIntosh, because Penn State could go through this same problem. So could.
Speaker 1:Ohio.
Speaker 2:State, so could Iowa, so could Alabama, so could Georgia. Every single team could go through this same problem and they should all be lining up to give high fives and handshakes to Chris McIntosh right now for saying dude, thank you, thank you for standing up for this, because this is going to happen down the road. This happens more than we think. It's just. Finally a university said no, no, dude, you ain't leaving 25 transfers going out of the University of Madison. They kept one back. They wouldn't put one guy in Out of 25, you think Wisconsin just thought screw it, let's tie this guy up in our basement. That would be fun, let's just keep him hostage, that's a good look for our college.
Speaker 2:It's going to be a good look for us. It's going to be a good look for the Big Ten, if the Big Ten comes out and says, yeah, we back Wisconsin in this, but we have no ground to stand on. People are nuts if they think the Big Ten just came out with that statement just because they're supporting Wisconsin. One of their own, the lawyers for the Big Ten, would have told the Big Ten, commissioner nah, don't do that. Don't do that, let's not mess around there. Right? We don't want to stick our nose where it don't belong because it's going to come back to bite us. Right? Wisconsin's lawyers, I would venture to guess. Possibly, just maybe, maybe the University of Wisconsin's probably got some pretty good lawyers sitting down there, probably some pretty good lawyers who deal with this kind of stuff, and they're telling the university like, yeah, you got ground to stand on. Boys, hold your own, don't say a word, just hold your own. Let's see what they do.
Speaker 2:I mean, aaron, I'm going to give you a chance to speak on this, but this is fun. This is fun, like Dustin said. These, like Dustin said, they're opening up a can of worms. This is a can of worms and it's open and it's all over the place right now and it's just fun to watch because it's a saga. Like we said the other day, it's a story that keeps on giving. It is. It is just a story that keeps on giving, and I can't wait to see the end no, I mean you, you summarize that about as well as I could possibly even ask for.
Speaker 3:Really, I mean it's you know, when we first visited this. It was, you know, hey, maybe Wisconsin has their hands dirty a little bit, but we were, like you know, 90%, we were on the side of like, okay, wisconsin probably has some type of agreement that is going to bind him from not, you know, doing this type of thing, not walking out the door, right, and like that's kind of where we stayed on. We're, like you know, maybe there's a small chance, but highly doubt it Like it just doesn't make sense. I mean, that would be a colossal mess up on their part which wouldn't make any sense. You know, like I don't care what college it is, you would expect the college to be run better than that, right, and this whole situation, like you know, you bring the guy in from Miami. Of course he's a professor at Miami, right, and then he wants to go to Miami, like, yeah, of course it is like the guy's going to back his own, his own guy, right, basically, like they're, they're in cahoots together. So, yeah, it makes sense from a, from a Wisconsinisconsin and big 10 standpoint, like this is this is kind of what you were wishing for, you know, you know, finally it comes to light.
Speaker 3:Wisconsin didn't make any comments publicly, which is you know exactly why. Because when you have the upper hand, like and, and you know, especially contractually, that you're, you're in the green, like what, what's it going to do you if you say, yeah, well, xavier lucas, isn't it like if you start bashing him publicly like that just doesn't, that doesn't do you any favors, when you know, uh, in a court of law like you're gonna, I mean the chances of them not winning right, it's slim to none. So, yeah, it's a colossal, just like, I mean, can of worms, like Dustin said, it's just craziness, like madness, to say the least. But I look at it like if you're Xavier Lucas, like this is an epic fail. Man like this is, I don't know how you thought you were going to get out of this unscathed. I really don't.
Speaker 3:And then the fact that, like maybe you, you could have been something at Wisconsin, like if I'm, if I'm Wisconsin, I'm like, look, this guy demonstrates exactly what we don't want in a player, as a, as a student athlete there, like there's no way he comes back there. Like you know what I mean he he's burned that bridge on his own, doing on his own accord, and now it's like he's how they're not gonna let him just walk to to wherever he wants. I wouldn't be surprised if he can't do anything for a year, like that's the probably the right move here, because he he couldn't contractually get out of it and then wouldn't like there's no reason why Wisconsin should be on the hook for him at this point because of what he's done. Like if he's an employee, he's fired, he's kicked to the curb, he's like completely out the building. Like there's no employer in this country that would put up with this type of stuff.
Speaker 3:Like I just I don't know any, maybe there are, but like it's, he's just a distractions and he thinks he can. Just you know I'll dip now, even though I signed a piece of it. That's like you know, I have an apartment, I live in an apartment currently and I signed an agreement and then I violate like three things within a couple of months and I'm like oh, or like.
Speaker 3:I'm staying here. I'm staying here regardless, like I don't care, I'm staying here. I'm staying here regardless, like I don't care, I'm staying, like you know. I mean that would be because he wants out. I want to stay. Yeah, I'm, you know, bridging the contract. I'm doing exactly what they told me not to do. And I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna. By the way, I I'm not going anywhere, though it's like okay, try that. Though. Try like try and see where that gets you, because you'll get police will come eventually. You know what I mean. Like it's just come on now.
Speaker 2:Like I want all these keyboard warriors just to understand life for a second. That's what I want that's a quote. I want him to I want him just to think about it right, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna patent that.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna patent that keyboard warriors need to understand life I really want them to, because you look at some of the crap that they tweet and it's just like, yeah, let's, let's free this guy. And you're like you don't even understand what's happening right now. You have no clue. You're just jumping on here because you see a bunch of other people doing it and you're hoping you get some likes and you're hoping you get some exposure. Maybe a guy will follow you. Right, I gained a follower off of saying free x man. Just enough of it. Just enough of it. A, but let's go to some good Badger news. Let's go to some good Badger news. The Badgers win their seventh straight.
Speaker 2:The men's basketball team traveled out to USC over the weekend. There Got the big win 84-69. That's seven straight wins for the Badgers. Gotta love that. Gotta love that.
Speaker 2:The game started out ugly. Three turnovers on the first three possessions. First three possessions resulted in a turnover of the Badgers and I was like, oh boy, that's not the way to start out a basketball game right there on the road. But they settled it and it was John Blackwell once again settling them. In John Blackwell I mean 11 of the first 15 points against USC. There, I believe I'm not mistaken. I had it where he had the first nine against Ohio State. He went on a 9-0 run by himself and he had the first 11 of first 15 against USC. So the hot starts, the games for John Blackwell. You got to love that. You got to love what he's been able to produce for you there. So he does well there. I mean I got to say this Welcome to the season, max Klesman, welcome back. I don't know where you went, I don't know what happened to your brother, but I'm glad to see you back in the lineup there, because 18 points in this one, two for nine from three but seven for 14 from the floor. He was getting in the paint. He was hitting some turnarounds, some tough turnarounds in this game and defensively he was a dog we talked about in our preview show here and I said they got to deter passing lanes. They got to deter these passing lanes. Max Klezman was expert 101 at that. He was flipping the ball out. He's getting some turnovers there. Love to see that. So, max Klezman, welcome to it there, brother. Excuse me there, kamari McGee. I don't know what else I have to say about this guy. I don't know what else I have to say about this guy.
Speaker 2:Another great performance out of kamari mcgee. There he's uh, had 10 points on the game. He shot two for three from downtown and that three point percentage on the season there aaron rose once again for kamari. There he's now shooting. He's well away games. He's shooting 66 from three there.
Speaker 2:But kamari mcgee on the season, 56 from three, 56 from three. That's over% from three. That's over 50% from downtown. This guy has been a dog for Wisconsin. I love it. I believe that's a pretty good amount of shots too. I was just going to double check that. I believe he's averaging about two, three a game. Three pointers there and he shoot 56%. That's up from last year. You want to talk about perspective? Last season he shot 27 from three as a whole. On the season he's shooting 56. Wow, just wow. That I mean night and day difference there. And greg guard gave props to him after the game. He said he loves actually what kamari mcgee and carter gilmore have given to this line up there coming off the bench. They they took the long way. Walk on was Carter Gilmore there. Both of them took the long way to get to this point. But the development, what they've been willing to sacrifice to get to this point, loves nothing but it. So they're reaping the rewards is what Greg Gard had to say. So that's what Gard had to say after this one. But Mario McGee continues to be that guy the used to be that guy.
Speaker 2:The Badgers got up to a big lead First half once again got a big lead. At the break they're up by 15, but USC went on a 20-4 run out of the half there to close this thing to three points with 1044 to go. That tells you just the difference that can come in there. We saw that against Ohio State. Wisconsin got a big lead going into the half. Ohio State closed the gap. Wisconsin was able to hold them off this one here. Wisconsin they buckled down. They got a little bit better there. I thought and I tweeted it out there. I replied to a tweet and a guy's like how can you be mad Because you know this happened and this happened, but yet the Badgers still won? I was like do it. I said because when you're up 15 at the break, you don't always have to let the other team come back. You don't always have to do it. You can hold that lead. And I thought the Badgers, when they were able to come back, their USC was.
Speaker 2:The offense got stagnant again. There was a lot of just sticking it to one side. The ball wasn't moving to both sides of the court. It was staying on one side of the court. They were forcing a lot of threes. The shots weren't falling but they weren't getting the shots. They were in the first half. They weren't attacking, they were keeping out on the perimeter. They were sticking it to one side of the court. The ball wasn't moving to both sides.
Speaker 2:I thought Wisconsin just got away from their offense for a while. Greg Gard did speak about it there. He thought the ball pressure which I agree Defensively for the Badgers first half intensity boom. They turned it up. Ball screens impossible. Guys getting downhill were impossible. Second, after, the ball pressure was eh, to start that second half, they weren't getting after guys. Usc was able to utilize the ball screens. They were able to knock down some threes there early and they were able to make that little bit of a comeback there. But the Badgers settled in. They took the haymaker. They settled in and this is what speaks volumes to me about this Badger team is that they took that haymaker and especially on the road they took the haymaker and they battled back in that final 1031 of the game. They went on a 29 to 17 run to finish the final 1031 in this game here. Love to see that. Got back to the offense, settled in defense, turned it back up. They were fine there Defensively.
Speaker 2:I liked what I saw defensively from the Badgers in this one, outside of what we saw in that first little stretch there in the second half. First half, I loved it. Held the team to 27 points on the road. That's hard to do. And then they held the leading scorer, claude from USC, to 0 for 3 from the field and zero points in that first half. Love to see that Second half there. That's where they got a little bit hurt there. So that's where I'm kind of watching. But jumping those passing lanes was huge and we talked about that in preview. Klezmit led the charge there, led the charge, mcgee got involved. Steve and Nolan Winter did well defensively to settle things in too, especially in that ball screen. Especially in that ball screen. They were right there. So I love to see that there.
Speaker 2:John Tonje, that's what I want to get to. John Tonje no points, leading scorer going into this one. No points, aaron, this is what I love the most about the Badgers. John Tonje is your leading scorer. He gave you zero points on the road. You still won by 15.
Speaker 2:I don't know many other teams that could tell you that I don't. When you have a collective effort, like the Badgers do with Blackwell, with Klezmit, klezmit coming along right, and then you have Steven Crowell and Nolan Winter putting up numbers there, and then Kamari McGee, there's not a lot of teams that have depth like that, not a lot of teams who have scoring depth like that. Right, if you look at some of the good teams, I mean look at Duke, right, cooper Flagg outstanding. But if Cooper Flagg has a bad day, say he gives me, say he gives me zero points in a game I don't know, duke's going to struggle. They're not going to win a blowout, trust me, they're not going to win by double digits. It's going to be close. They might win, but I don't know if they have the dogs behind it. And that's where I loved Greg Gard gave props to his staff after the game there.
Speaker 2:He said recruiting wise the Badgers. Well, the coaches did well, recruiting depth positions behind guys that they already had, so keeping that depth where they could go to the next guy and he could come out there and score like Gilmore, like a guy like Xavier Amos, like a guy like Jack Janicki or Kamari McGee, guys who can interchange and still give you buckets and give you valuable minutes. That's what Greg Gard said. I love that. I love that quote getting those guys in the transfer portal recruiting some guys in to fill those spots. I love that. I love what I saw there.
Speaker 2:And having your leading scorer, your star, give you nothing and you win that game by 15, that speaks volumes on a team. That speaks volumes on a team. And you only shot 15 free throws. Remember that Badgers, all they do is shoot free throws. You only had 15 in this game. Not a very, not very good, not a very high percentage there. Three is nine for 28. Not bad there, but uh, dustin did bring it up there.
Speaker 2:Turnovers, man, turnovers, aaron. We talked about leading into this. The badgers had to be careful with the basketball and they just they weren't. They weren't in this one. They got a little turnover happy. They got a little trigger happy right, especially early on right, three turnovers on the first three possessions. That doesn't help you out at all, but just a lot of errant passes. You know the little things hurting themselves in these games. So you got to clean that up. But they did like I said. I mean, you want to talk about a team that turns the ball over a lot to usc, a team that doesn't get a lot of steals wisconsin eight steals for the badgers in this game. So jumping passing lanes, that was huge. That was huge. Getting fast break break buckets and limiting what USC could do for fast break buckets, that was another thing that we want to look at there. So I love to see that. We did have one across text in line. Nevermind, it went away. I don't know what happened there. We had one across text in line. I can't find it now so we won't get to that one.
Speaker 2:But Greg did speak on Max Klezman. He said Max, emotionally has been good, he's been good so far, like the cold streak has not put him down. You know, and Greg, he always speaks out. He says if you keep playing hard and you keep playing hard and always keep getting after it, shots will find you, shots will find you eventually. And Max Klezman, like he said, has been playing hard. He continues to play hard. The assists are a big thing of Max Klezman's game. He had four assists in this game here, so that tells you sharing the basketball. But I just said 17 assists. That tells you that they're moving it, they're getting it to open guys and they're knocking down shots. But Max Glesman, like he said emotionally, he's been good. He just keeps coming back, keeps coming back, keeps playing hard. Shots are going to fall eventually and that's what we saw there. Guard did say that he thought Max has continued to play hard even though the baskets weren't falling. Just wrote that down as a little tidbit off there. I just talked about that a little bit there, but had it written down as a tidbit there.
Speaker 2:Wisconsin has scored 80-plus points 11 times this season. This little stat for the end here Wisconsin has scored 80-plus points 11 times this season. That's the most since the 2014-2015 national championship runner-up team and they did it 11 times in total that year. Badgers have already done it 11 times this year and I had another uh stat that they had up in the first half. I was gonna pull that up here. Uh, real fast, over the last six games, badgers like I, like I said I mean there's seven, seven and all in their last seven, but over the last six they're six and oh, 83 points a game, 49% from the field and opponents are scoring 67 points against them, so impressively impressive by the defensive end. And then most possessions per game, and this speaks volumes to what the Badgers have been able to do offensively on the year. The 2014 or the 2024, 2025 team is actually up two possessions from the next closest one that they've had over since 1996. And that's the 2021, 2022 team, which averaged 66 possessions game.
Speaker 2:People are like ah, two possessions, that's not a lot, that's a lot, that's a lot in the game of basketball. Two possessions, it doesn't seem like a ah, two possessions, that's not a lot, that's a lot, that's a lot in the game of basketball. Two possessions, it doesn't seem like a lot, but that's a lot, right. So the tempo has been up, the good shots have been up. They're creating more, playing faster, getting more opportunities at the basket. Right, more opportunities you can create the more chance you got to score buckets, which is why we're seeing this Badger team being able to put 80 plus points up in 11 games already this season, and we're only what 18 games into the season. So you're saying, out of 18 games, they have put up 80 plus points 11 times. That's impressive. That's impressive, especially for a badger team, which hasn't really done that in the past there, as we see the Ravens fail on a two point attempt that would have tied the game against the bill. So the bills look like they're going to survive this game against the Ravens there.
Speaker 3:But Aaron, anything else you got to add on the end of that Badger talk there. So I mean one thing that I mean you can look at it like two different ways. Right Inside the arc, I mean they shot 22 of 27.
Speaker 3:They didn't shoot that well from the three-point land, but you take that right, like, yeah, all day, that's efficiency, yeah, exactly like that's, that's what you like to see. I mean, you know, like you had said, um, sharing the basketball for one, that's one thing. You know, um, when you don't, and you're like I almost, I, I think I almost picked like tanji to go off here and like I mean you talk about it, talk about a great take by me, right, excellent take.
Speaker 3:But um, yeah, mean for him not to give you, I mean literally nothing. Like a guy left his I guess he left his not cleats but his basketball shoes on the bus there. I mean one assist and no points, like that's just not cutting it for him. But like everybody else showed up, like you said, john Blackwell, I mean he's the star of the game. Else showed up, like you said, john Blackwell, I mean he's the star of the game.
Speaker 3:I mean you, you can make Klezma, you know that as well. Yeah, um, just you know, all out great performance and down the stretch, right like down the stretch, uh, in the second half Wisconsin kind of leaned on on those guys and just I mean, you know, you, look at it, oh, they scored the same amount of points the second half, but it down the stretch, wisconsin put them away. What I mean it was the way they is, the, you know they they kind of found it at times more so, um, than obviously USC could all day. So, yeah, it's a great win on the road, like you said, you know, double digit win and um, you move on and and, like you said, not many free throw attempts, um, but you still 13 for 15 at the charity strike. That's why they call it the charity strike. That's what you want to get there as a, as the bills recover there and, like you said, are probably going to go on to the onside.
Speaker 2:I forgot about the odds.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it wasn't over yet, folks.
Speaker 2:It wasn't over yet.
Speaker 3:That one man, mark Andrews. Talk about selling that guy. He made a couple really bad plays when when he needed to just make the play, but yeah, yeah, no great win. You know, crashed the boards more than USC, excuse me and they I mean, like you said, you know they took the ball from USC and USC with the 15 turnovers. That's not going to help you and I mean credit to Wisconsin. They got it done. They pummeled them out on the West Coast. What they continue on the West Coast now.
Speaker 2:UCLA on Tuesday, ucla on Tuesday there. So I mean it should be a good one there. Yeah, you spoke on John Tonje, and another thing I wanted to add with him was the veteran presence on this team. John Tonje no points. This is a guy who's used to scoring 18 a game, so like he wants to get his buckets. No points, but only three attempts. He didn't force anything. He didn't force it. He still shared the basketball. He's still you know, he's out there, he's moving the basketball, he's playing good defense, he's doing his thing, but he's not forcing shots.
Speaker 2:You see a lot of star players when they're not getting theirs, their shots aren. Talked about it last year with AJ store, right, he's a volume. He's a volume score. The more he shoots, he's going to get about half, maybe half, probably not even half, he's going to get like a quarter. So, shoots 20 times, he's going to hit about maybe seven. Right, and that's that was the problem.
Speaker 2:John Tonje realized hey, maybe it's not my day, john Blackwell's having a great day, max Klezman's having a great day, steven winter having great days. Let's get that. Let's get the win Right, and that's what Dustin said. They're great team win. Let's get the win. That's all that matters, let's get the win. And that's what I love about this team is, even when it's not their day, their day, they have another guy to lean on. And that's what I talked about earlier. With the depth of this team, it speaks volumes to it. When you see something like this is that you have the ability to win a basketball game by double digits, with your star player giving you zeros and one assist. Zeros and one assist, unless you want to count turnovers and fouls. But I'd want to count that outside of that, the box score said zero for him and he still, if you would ask him at the end of days, like, yeah, good win, good win, right, we moved on, we gotta win right. So now you got a game coming up against ucla. That's gonna be a good game. I think that's gonna be a heck of a game.
Speaker 2:Badgers, continuous west coast swing that'll be. I hate that the badgers are now with ucl. I hate that ucla and usc are in the big 10 now. 8, 30, 8, 30 tip on tuesday there on peacock 8, 30 at night. That's just ridiculous. I have to stay up and watch that like, just just come on, come on now. Can we just have an average start time. Give me like 7. Why can't, even though it's on the West Coast? Why can't you start this game at 7? Give me a 7 o'clock tip. I don't need to play on Peacock. Just give me a 7 o'clock tip so I can get to bed.
Speaker 2:At this game against UCLA Right now they're favoring UCLA 57% on ESPN. They're giving it for UCLA on that one. So we'll see kind of what happens there. We'll talk about that one on Wednesday. Wednesday here, when we come back, we'll recap that game and see what the badges look like there Going for eight in a row, right, going for eight in a row. See if they can continue on this torrid stretch. But, aaron, we got to get to a little ad break here. We're gonna get the ad break. Come back, get our fact of the day and talk a little bit of packers. I want to get a little bit of that brian gutekin's uh press conference in here. So we'll get to that. We'll get to the fact today, get to that and then we'll hit the end of the show here. So we'll see you guys on the other side of the ad break this show is brought to you by these fantastic sponsors.
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Speaker 3:Yeah, to touch on the weather a lot on the beginning of our shows, just because we both live in some kind of crazy climates, like you know, it's always something going on, um, but on this day in 1977, miami, florida, received snow for the first and last time ever. So what a weird fact. Right, like it's. No, I don't, I didn't see any, it was probably like not even dusting. Right, it's probably like it snowed for 30 minutes and it didn't even cover the ground. But to only ever get snow one time and then that, like it, never do it again, is like that's wild and interesting. Those people down there, man, I mean, trust me, I am one of those people that love the season, so I embrace it, but I can't lie. Living a year in Miami might, might change how I feel that that's, they're spoiled. Um, with I mean very, very nice climate, I would say, outside of the hurricanes I mean you gotta deal with that, but snakes, hurricanes and alligators, that's, that's true Thanks, hurricanes and alligators, and after that, you, you lost me.
Speaker 1:you lost that, you lost me.
Speaker 2:After that, I ain't going down there there for that I remember my dad was telling me once he was down there golfing, my dad's big golfer, he goes all over the state. He's really good golfer, like really good golfer, and he goes down all the time arizona. He went down to florida and he hit one and he said he hit it towards the swampy area and he went walking over there and he heard like this hissing noise. He didn't know what it was, didn't think of it, walked a little bit further. There's this python laying in the grass and there's his golf ball. He's like, yeah, I'll take a mulligan on this one, I'll move on, I'll take a mulligan, I don't want that one. He just said you go down there and golf course, you see these pythons just going across the golf course. Like he's got pictures. I wish I had it on my phone so I could bring it up. But he's just driving his golf cart down and there's just this big, I don't know how long of a Python, but it's crossing in front of them and on the golf course and it's like, no, I, I couldn't do it, I couldn't do it. Like that there's golf and then there's that like that's too much, that's too much right there, and I know I've seen that PGA and and alligators out there in the water hazard and stuff like that. It's like I love hitting in the water hazard with the best of them, but ain't no way I'm going in there for my golf ball if I'm down in Florida. That's all I know.
Speaker 2:So, aaron, let's get into a little bit of the Brian Gutekind's press conference, because he brought up a couple of interesting things that I wanted to touch on today here on the show. So the number one thing that I saw on there was the Jair Alexander situation, because if anybody kept tabs on that, they asked him on the day of locker clean out. They're like hey, can we talk to you? And he basically said like I don't even know if I'll be here next year, so I don't want to talk to any guys. Like I'm just done with you. So he basically just I'm just done with you. So he basically just I'm out. So let's talk about it. So I'll try to get my thing pulled up on my big screen here, but it ain't cooperating with me right now.
Speaker 2:So on the Jair's future, this is what Brian Goodikens had to say On Jair's future. Yeah, I think we'll work through that. So they asked him basically after what he was, you know, freaking out about, they said, yeah, I think we'll work through that. Certainly we can afford to keep him. I know it's really frustrating, not only for him as a player but us as a club, when you have a player with what he's done and he's done for us in the past and then not being able to get him on the field consistently. That's tough. We're at the beginning stages of gathering information as a whole before we start looking at next year and how we're going to going to lay things out we could. When he's healthy and he's ready to play, he's a pretty good player.
Speaker 2:So brian gutekens wants him back. He doesn't think that the relationship is what jair alexander made it seem like right because jair was walking out and he's like deuces boys, like I didn't get you know, basically like I don't know if I'll be here. It doesn't sound like I'm gonna be here, so I'm gonna walk out of here. I'm not gonna talk into any of you guys and that's not what I wanted to hear. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I want him back and not because of the injuries and this is where I think I might some people might disagree with me. I don't want him. I don. I don't not want him back because of the injuries. I don't want him back because of his leadership skills, because he's one of the older guys on your team. He's your star corner. So when it comes to the end of the season, I want him to come and talk to me, like Tucker Kraft did, like Tucker Kraft said, where I'm going to come back next year and I'm going to be a better leader and I'm going to work my tail off.
Speaker 2:And there's a lot of people in this locker room who got to wake up and he, he spoke the truth to you. That's what I want out of Jair Alexander. I don't want Jair Alexander to say deuces boys, I'm out of here, right, that I just I'm done with you, that you don't want me back. So I don't want you back, right. I don't want my leader and my team to do that. You're still under contract, dude, like. Nobody said that you're leaving, nobody said that they have the option to cut you, which I was looking at that the other day.
Speaker 2:And what is it? I mean, honestly, I was looking at the contract breakdown. What does it really do for you? I mean, honestly, he's gonna make more at the same time. But it's like if you cut him going into next year, you save six mil. If you cut him the year after, you save 17 mil. You could keep him for this next year and cut him next and save 17, like you'll be fine there.
Speaker 2:So I don't want him. I didn't want him gone because of the injuries or the. The injuries and the availability are the hard part, right. I I hate that. I wish he was more available, I do, but I don't want to back because he can't lead this team. He can't. He doesn't have the leadership skills and when you have, what is he supposed to be? Then he's your star, he's your veteran guy in that cornerback room.
Speaker 2:Why do I want my young corners that I'm going to bring into this roster Learning from that guy? Because they get them same tendencies. Sometimes they gather that same information. They're like oh, this is the way Jair did it, so let's do it like this. Right, let's talk to the media like this. I don't want that. That's a terrible look in the locker room. I don't want a guy in my locker room like that.
Speaker 2:So I don't know, aaron, is that a far off base? Like to think like that, like the injury, like the injuries, they suck right, but I don't not want him back because of that. When I hear what he had to say after the, after the meeting or well, during the meetings and everything like that, that's what kind of puts me on edge. It's like this dude can't be a leader and I don't need everybody to be a leader, but I need him to be at least following line. And when a reporter or somebody just wants to talk to you, not to give a stupid answer like that, where you're like basically deuces, like this team doesn't want me, so I'm out, like acting like the world owes falling on you, like dude, you didn't get to play, I'm sorry, but you were hurt, it happens. But like we just want to know you're gonna come back next year and you're gonna get better, like the little things. But you go out like that.
Speaker 3:It's like I don't know no, I agree, I and I wouldn't even like, personally, I'm very much like if a guy's injured, a lot like availability is like number one to me. Like if you're not available, that that's a killer. Like there's guys out and I'm not saying it's his fault, right but there's guys out there that just you know they step on the field and they twist their ankles. It's just, it's, it's craziness, like, and he just unfortunately happens to be one. I mean, for me, that would like if I'm sitting there as Packers fan, I'm, I'm like dude, this guy can't stay healthy for more than a couple games, you know, consecutively. Like that would just irritate me to no end. I mean, if I, if somehow we got him back on a real team-friendly deal, that that would be the only way in my opinion. But then, like this is this is like the, the straw that broke the camel's back to me because, once again, like you know, he's not available often. You know he's good when he's in there, but how, how much is he in there? And then, like you said, the leadership skills get called into question and yeah, he's your guy, that you want other guys to follow suit, and if he's conducting himself in that manner, it's like dude, we can do it. Maybe we can't find the exact talent you have, but we can find another one of you at the drop of a hat. There's guys everywhere, you know. There's guys. They're watching on the bangles. There's a guy probably not the bangles, any other team though that has like somewhat of a defense. Um, they can go get.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, that that's just, that's poor, that's piss poor. In my opinion, it's just, I don't know, that doesn't sit. Like, if I'm the packer say good riddance, man. Like go get injured on it. I'm not wishing for injury, but go play a couple of games somewhere else and see how they treat you, because maybe the grass isn't always greener too. Like, maybe maybe we try to give you the benefit of the doubt and you weren't available and now your leadership skills are suspect at best and it's just that's not a good look for for a guy that's. You know it's an unknown where he's gonna, if he's gonna get paid, you know it really is. So I, I just yeah, I, I would. I would just kind of shake hands and say adios to him at this point well, and I forgot about this part about the quote.
Speaker 2:I did. I did research it just to make sure that I had a quote right. He said he declined to talk, saying that he did not know if he'd be with the team the following year. But he also said he didn't have anything good to say. That's what he said. I don't have nothing good to say.
Speaker 2:That's what irked me the most was when he said I don't have anything good to say. It's like, dude, you don't have nothing to say in general. Right now, all we want to hear you say is I'm going to work hard in the offseason, I'm going to get my body right, I'm going to get my legs right, I'm going to get everything right. I'm going to come back next year. We're going to kick some pants Like that's what I want to hear you say Step up for one moment in your life, step up, but instead no-transcript. That's where it kind of irked me with him there. But he went on to say so good, kids went on to talk about here, we'll get on with this one here. He went on to talk about jordan love and he said know, matt LaFleur has probably talked about it as well we're very excited, or very excited, about his growth, not, uh, not just on the field, but not only as a player, but in the locker room as a leader. I've talked many times about how even keeled he is. I think his growth and the way he manages our football team has been pretty impressive. Obviously, he went through some things this year, uh, battled through some, and he hadn't done that before he came out on the other side of it and I was really proud of him and how he went through it. He's leading our team exactly how we want him to do it, so I'm excited about that. So I mean Brian Gutekind is basically telling you like I don't waver how I feel about Jordan Love. I know a lot of fans have wavered about it. Brian Gutekind isn't concerned. It is something to go through. The amount of injuries that Jordan Love did go through he had the groin injury. I mean that's tough. You go through injury early on in the season. You don't really get settled in. You have the problems within the offense. Already you have Romeo Dobbs constantly out on you Not his fault, but concussions and everything like that. You constantly have problems. That doesn't help. Now you just go into the offseason. You got to work on the little things, right. Matt LaFleur, I guarantee you is going to be I hope to be all over that improving that. So we'll see, kind of how that does there. But Jordan Love Gutekinds is all good there. Let's see here.
Speaker 2:He said on the Packers needing a number one wide receiver. So that's a hot topic, right? Everybody thinks that the Packers need a number one, brian Gutekinds, I don't know. He's kind of on the opposite side of the fence with that one. He said I think historically, if you look at a lot of teams, very rarely do teams have one receiver. That's very super heavy with targets. That usually doesn't play out well in the playoffs.
Speaker 2:I agree with that, I do. You can't win with one guy. You can't. You got to have a spread out. Excuse me there you got to have the go-to guy right, which I think they were hoping Dobbs would become. Uh, but he didn't.
Speaker 2:Um, but Christian Watson, you've been constantly battling things with him. Dontavian Wicks, um, all those kinds of like. Watson, you've been constantly battling things with him. Dontavian Wicks, um, all those kinds of like, you've been battling problems with it. And then within the offense, right, the play calling. I thought was inept, I thought the play calling was bad. So do you need that number one wide receiver?
Speaker 2:It's nice to have a guy who separates himself a little bit right, but you got to have other guys and I think that's kind of what he's saying is like I want. I don't think Brian Goodkins is like sitting there saying, well, I hope Jaden Reed and all these guys just stay the same right, they stay even keeled with each other. I think he's hoping a guy takes that next step to be the guy. But you have to have those other guys grow with him too. So have to have those other guys grow with him too. So I do agree with that.
Speaker 2:You can't, you can't just rely on one guy to be it to be it, because then come playoff times, right? I mean you look at, say, the Eagles only had AJ Brown right and the rest of the guys were kind of scrubs. What is every good defensive coordinator going to do with their secondary? They are going to put everything they got on stopping AJ Brown and they're going to say everybody else beat us and they don't want to look that way. And that became a problem with Devante Adams and Aaron Rodgers. It was like Rodgers would only look that way, he would only look to Devante, he wasn't looking for a Lazard, he wouldn't look for anybody else, he wanted Devante. That leads to problems.
Speaker 2:So I agree, I mean, aaron, like you want to win a Superbowl, you got to have a bunch of guys, right? Julian Edelman, you had Julian Edelman, gronk, you had Chris Hogan, all those guys could catch passes. Wes Welker was there at one point right. I mean you had all these guys who could catch passes for you. They were good enough, right, and then you had a guy who excelled right. But you got to have guys who those guys Jaden Reed, romeo Dobbs, christian Watson Christian Watson won't be back till at least week 12, they said, but probably even further than that, or if you go into the draft you've got to find a guy who's going to take that next step, who's going to become the guy you're short down.
Speaker 2:I think the thing the Packers are missing is the, the go-to guy on third down and five. Right, who am I going to hit? Who am I looking for on third down and five, where we are looking to run something for this guy? And I think Tucker Kraft has the ability as a tight end, to be one of those guys, to be the go-to guy in those short yard situations, like a Jake Ferguson is for Dak Prescott or a Travis Kelsey is for Patch Mahomes. Look at what Patrick Mahomes does with some of the guys that he has at wide receiver, and then he's got Travis Kelsey. If you can incorporate more Tucker craft and then you have production from Dobbs and you have Reed, take a step forward.
Speaker 2:The drops were a problem. Right, have Reed take a step forward, have these other guys like Wicks take a step forward, and then maybe you go into the draft, you grab a guy late round or whatever, and he develops into a guy. I think you're fine. I do. I think you're fine. I think you need to see guys take that next step and I think the problem and why everybody came back to this question was nobody took that step. I think they have the guys.
Speaker 2:Jaden Reed's a fantastic receiver. He's got a lot of talent. I think he can take that step. It's just a question of does he? Does he put the work in?
Speaker 2:The drops were the problem, otherwise he had 800 yards receiving on the air like he had. He had the yardage, he was getting up there. It's just the drops again were a problem. Don tavian wicks drops right. Romeo dobbs two concussions did not help christian watson he was banged up every once in a while, but then the big season ending, now he's going to be out for a while, but you didn't have that guy take that next step and I think that's my problem with it. I think that they'll figure it out with what they have. I don't think they're going to go get T Higgins, maybe Devante. I would not be opposed to Devante, just a veteran leader in there who can be a guy to instill confidence, instill morale and help these young guys take that next step. That's where I would look. I wouldn't look to bring in a guy like T against, because I don't see how that's going to be that thing that pushes them up. I don't see how that's going to be the one thing that puts them over that finish line.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm sort of in between on that one, just because not to say that these guys can't make the next step, I just I hate relying on the, on the, the whole like the faith thing where it's like I, I have faith that they'll take that next step, because there's just no like I'm not saying they can't, but like when you just kind of like go into a season, like well, we've seen improvement, you know we're gonna see him take the next step, like you just don't know not to say that he will, not to say that he won't.
Speaker 3:I just feel like if they go out and get somebody like even davante right, that now you have a guy that's like it may it's gonna make everyone better because it's gonna force them to be better, almost you know. I mean like if you're, if you're running it back with the same group and you just expect this guy to step up, and that guy like maybe they do, but my, it's more likely than not one guy would. I just don't see like a nucleus of guys getting a lot better. Like tucker craft from year one to year two has shown improvement, like that's garrett. So if he doesn't improve next year, then you're like, okay, why didn't he, like you expect it at this point. Um, these other guys, like, like you said, jane reed, like they're promising guys, they're not like. I'm not saying they're bums, I think they're not like trash cans out there.
Speaker 2:But they're twos. They're twos who you don't know if they can take that next step right, exactly there are.
Speaker 3:There are still a question like they're they're questionable. You know, I mean as far as like being the being the guy being like, and honestly, like you know that goes back to love too. Like Like, okay, is he going to play better next year? You know what I mean. Like he's got to play better to put these guys in the best position to win, to excel, to have, you know, success there. So yeah, I mean I totally get where Goodigan's coming from.
Speaker 3:Like you can't just, like you said, if you just had like AJ Brown, everybody else is like trash cans and you're in trouble. But on the opposite side you can't just not have a guy you need to go to at the same time. You know I mean like in the same token. So I think they just they're missing like one, like to me, they're missing a guy. You know what I mean. Like they need, they need a, a dude like you, like you said after the Eagles game, they have a bunch of guys they need, but dude. You know what I mean. And Kraft can be that, I think.
Speaker 2:But outside of that, if you almost design it like the Chiefs, like I'm looking at the Chiefs stats right now, like I pulled them all up for the regular season. Who led them in yards? Travis Kelsey. After that, xavier Worthy had 638 yards. Now I'm not saying Jayden reed is xavier worthy right, because I think xavier worry and jayden reed they have two different skill sets, but jayden reed had over 800 yards receiving and I think tucker craft had about 700 yards receiving. So it's like if you almost you have to involve the tight ends more. I think we went through a stretch there what we say like three games, where tucker craft had no catches and no targets, like it was ridiculous, like Tucker Kraft wasn't even being utilized within the offense, which you cannot go away from. A playmaker like that and I think that's part of it too, and that's why I said the play calling is a problem too, because when you have a dominant tight end, which we think Tucker Kraft can be as a dominant tight end, a short, he can get you extras right. I think he was top in the league in yards after catch for tight ends and that's up there with George Kittle, travis Kelsey, all these good tight ends. So you know he's fantastic, he's not going to be a home run hitter, but he's going to be a guy to move the chains and that's where I think they have to utilize him. We're talking about a guy you need to go to on third and short. Tucker Craft's your dude right, that's where you got to look. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in a guy like you know, like the, the chiefs brought in deandre hopkins. He's on the back of his career. He's not deandre hopkins of the texans time, but he gave him good production and that's where we're looking like davante adams. I don't think t higgins is what's going to be the answer. Yeah, you bring in t higgins. You might like the world on fire, but you just spent a boatload of money to do it. You just spent a boatload of money to like the world on fire.
Speaker 2:I think, with good play, calling and utilizing what you have in house and then bringing in a guy like Devante Adams just to be that veteran leadership, I think that takes it to the next level. I think that does. I think they have what they need. You have Josh Jacobs. You have a good offensive line. We know Jordan Love can be elite. We know that they have good at tight ends.
Speaker 2:Luke Musgrave was out for a while this season. You get him back. He's got the ability to blow a top off defense as a tight end. He's got some speed, so you bring him back into the fold. You get Dontavion Wicks right. Jaden Reed stops dropping the ball. You instill some confidence with Devontae Adams coming in and working with these guys. You instill that confidence there.
Speaker 2:Offense is fine, I do. I just think you have to utilize what you have, right, you got to utilize what you have and that's what we got. A couple questions I I'm missing on the uh text here. We don't mean to miss you guys there. Uh, kyle, nice to see you here tonight. He says I agree, diversify the offense more with including tag craft and the tight ends more. I agree 100 if you can. You can utilize what you have in house already to what it should be. I think they're fine. I think they got away from what made them good, right, look at what we talked about last season there. How many times did you watch Packers recap? And you're watching some of the touchdown throws they had and for some ungodly reason Tucker craft was running down the field wide open with nobody around him. But that's just because that play call just schemed him open. Fantastic.
Speaker 2:Matt LaFleur coached two good games this year. Two of his greatest games were with Malik Willis playing quarterback and that's simply because he had to coach the game. He had to change it, he had to play. He had a scheme for Malik Willis. That's it. Outside of that, I don't like his play calling. I don't, and he needs to be better. He needs to be better, otherwise you've got to bring somebody else in.
Speaker 2:I know we had Todd in here the other night and he said bring in an OC that can actually call games If Matt LaFleur can't get the job done. Playing calls, play calling for you Words, play calling for you. Bring in somebody to do it. That's plain and simple. Bring, bring in somebody to do it. We did have a couple other ones. Kyle did say and I agree with one guy has to separate and be that guy that Jordan Love needs. I agree with that 100%. I agree with you there, kyle. He did say what time do the Ravens play next week? I think it's like 2 in the morning in Korea. I think they play at 2 in the morning in Korea there. I'd have to fact check it there. Dustin did say growing pains with quarterback coach retiring. Tom Clements is retiring. We could see some quarter. We could see some growing pains. We could. We don't know how much.
Speaker 2:The thing with it is is I, jordan loves footwork got worse this year. I thought I thought his footwork got worse. I thought he was getting a little loose with it. I thought he was doing some dangerous dropbacks there. He doesn't throw when the slant routes happening. He waits until the guy is wide open before he throws it. He doesn't throw it on the break and I think that's part of the problem too. I really do. I think that's part of the problem. Like when you watch Joe Burrow throw to Jamar chase and I know those two have been doing it for years so it helps out a lot but you watch him when he goes to the end zone he runs a little out route or a little drag that ball's coming when he makes the break, like he knows, like boom, boom balls there, right, I can't say the last time I saw Jordan Love do that and I think that's part of the problem is that he's over. I don't know. I think it's real. Honestly, I think it's something between the ears with Jordan Love and I think if Matt LaFleur and him can just get together in the offseason. They get with the receivers, they get together in the offseason, they get with the receivers, they get together, they work through these things. I think they're fine.
Speaker 2:We saw Jordan Love be an elite quarterback. We saw him be that elite quarterback. It's just he never got back to that elite quarterback status. We saw it for that eight-game stretch last season. We just didn't see him get back to that and, like Justin said there, he was playing hurt a lot. I agree, yeah, he was playing hurt a lot. I agree, yeah, he was playing hurt and that doesn't help. Right, and that didn't help.
Speaker 2:When he came back, I thought maybe he came back too early because they couldn't run under center matt lafleur we talked about that the other day in the on the show here. Matt lafleur didn't want to run our center because the analytics told him this. And I told him take the analytics, turn it sideways and shove it straight up his candy behind, because I'm done with that, I'm done with the old analytics talk there. Sometimes you gotta do it. I don't understand it because the analytics might have told you when you run out of the gun that this works a lot better, sure, but you know what under center does. And that's what I don't understand is when you run under center, you turn your back to the defense.
Speaker 2:There are so many possibilities that can happen when a quarterback turns their back to a defense. Right, you can keep it. Keep it, you can run. Right, you can hand it off to Josh Jacobs, you can tuck it, you can flip it, you can run the play action. You can do so many things under center. You get Josh Jacobs running downhill with a full head of steam. You can do all those things.
Speaker 2:But yet Matt LeFleur's like oh, the analytics told me that shotgun works better with the run. Okay, okay, how'd that work for you against the Eagles Work out? Well, probably not. Probably not. Maybe we got to switch some things up. Huh, maybe we got to switch some things up Against the Vikings for three quarters. How did it work? How'd the analytics work for you? Right? How'd the first 15 plays on your script work? Because the offense came out stale again? How many times do we have to watch the offense come out stale in a game and the script be wrong? Right, the analytics telling you to write that script because it sucks.
Speaker 2:So, I think, end of the day, this whole team needs to take a reflection. Look there. So I would agree, though he played a lot injured this year and that doesn't help, like we talked about earlier. I mean that doesn't help at all. Like Gutekind said and like we agreed with there, that doesn't help at all. Being injured, having to work through that and not having to experience injury before right. I mean, you're a quarterback who hasn't experienced like injuries in season before and trying to work your way back in season and then getting back into gameplay. That's tough, that's hard, that's hard to do, and then your coach is trying to compensate for you within the offense, like it's just asking for problems. It's just asking for problems there. So let's get to, let's get to, let's get to one more, we'll get to one more.
Speaker 2:Before we wrap it up here, gutekunst did say they did fire their defensive line coach. They did fire their defensive line coach there. So Gutekunst sounds like he's like pretty okay with what they have on the defensive line. I think he just fired the defensive line coach Cause he's like I think we have talent. It's just not being, it's not being, it's not being grown, the talent's not getting better. Lucas Van Ness I love when Bill Michaels always says he plays. He looks like Tarzan, but he plays like Jane.
Speaker 1:That's what he always says Like Lucas Van Ness.
Speaker 2:You look at that dude, he is a behemoth of a man, but he stinks. He stinks and good against fire the defensive line coach. So it could be because he thought these guys aren't progressing, they're not getting better. And where do we have to start with that? We start with our coach. Why is he not getting these guys better? That's where you got to start right. So I still think he might add there and plus, you know you got all that cap space now I think he might.
Speaker 2:I really I am hoping that they go with what josh jacobs said when he said he's going to get some of his guys in there and they call the raiders and they get max crosby. I really am. I'm looking at max crosby and I'm looking at miles garrett and I'm like just go get him. Go get him because rashaun gary didn't have his greatest year. But when you have guys on the opposite of them, like Lucas Van Ness or your young guys who aren't really there yet, you put a lot more attention onto a guy like Rashawn Gary and everybody else is getting single, single cut. Like I watched so many times, rashawn Gary's getting double teamed out there and we have single cut. We have a single blocker on the other side holding Lucas Van Ness and Rashawn Gary's trying to bull rush two guys and it's like, okay, I get Rashawn Gary's getting paid to be better, but also when you're getting doubled I mean it's hard. It's hard and I know Jeff Halfley had to do a lot of things just to try and get Rashawn Gary through Right. He ended up at one point he was playing almost like a spy kind of. He was circling back to the center and he was coming straight up the gut. He was having him just circle and try to find an opening on the line and just go through it right, and that was pre-play. So he was trying a lot of different things that he could do with Rashawn Gary. I just think if you had another pass rusher in there, it's going to open up Rashawn Gary. It'll allow him to create more pressure. Because it's when you have a star pass rusher like a TJ water and Nick Bosa or something like that, like those guys can find ways to get in the backfield. But when you don't have any help if TJ watt didn't have any any help on the defensive line, like nobody else was creating pressure along with them or helping them out. They would just double them up and TJ wild become a non-factor. We saw that in the playoff game. He became a non-factor. We saw that in the playoff game he became a non-factor. And that's what kind of happened to Rashawn Gary. Now, I'm not saying Rashawn Gary is to the level of what TJ Watt is, no way Like. He's not there, but he's still a talent and it's just a matter of getting him help on the defensive line.
Speaker 2:Devontae Wyatt was banged big money. Kenny Clark was a no show. This year Kenny Clark was a no show. He's talking about your D tackles there. Kenny Clark was a no show. And then Preston Smith I mean he didn't fit the system. He ended up saying that. So he got traded out to the Steelers there and then you were kind of trying to fill guys. Brent Cox, you were throwing it. Agabar was, you know, pass fire the defensive line coach.
Speaker 3:So hopefully that helps there I mean that's one place to start right, like if you don't change anything. You know, I'm not going to say you expect no difference, but it's tough to even have a difference. If you like, it's an area like you said. I mean, if they think the guys in the building you know, maybe they're not all stars, right, but they didn't take any steps forward, and like it's coaching that's holding them back, that's the right move to make. Like, at some point you got to shake things up, right, like I'm all for that. I'm not saying you got to fire every position coach every year and stuff like that, but at some point you evaluate, hey, you know, is this guy maximizing our players at that position? Like that, that's something you should go around after every off season and and, and you know, evaluate that.
Speaker 3:You know letter grade. The coach, you know is the receiver and coach, the receivers coach doing his job, is the linebackers coach doing his job? You know all of that. Um, because all those things collectively, like they, they matter more than people realize. You know what I mean. Like it's one of those things that's overlooked. It's you know who's your head coach? Oh, you're, you know, if you're in jacksonville, your your head coach, doug peterson. Well, it's doug peterson's fault. I'm not saying it wasn't right, but there might be a. He might have like half his coaching staff might be garbage, like really, I mean truthfully, you you'll never know, but that stuff matters. And hey, I mean shake things up. You know, maybe the next guy that comes in gets more of them, gets more out of them. Like I know the, the eagles o-line coach gets, like you know, stoutland there he gets, I would say, the most out of any o-line in the game. You know any, any person that comes into that building he gets kind of the most out of them. Like you're seeing that with well, you didn't have a good game today. Beck them.
Speaker 3:But like that, like that guy was, you know, cut by the Jets. Like you know it goes back to like that's. You know quarterbacks from other teams. Oh, they go to this team. Like look what the Vikings were able to do this year with Darnold there. So you never know what a position coach could possibly do. Like you know they might take a massive step forward with a different guy. So I'm never opposed to that. You know you kind of highlighted that all year long. They had their moments but they were never consistently bringing like those guys outside of maybe, gary, they weren't really, you know, showing up and it's like, okay, what can we do to change that going into next year? You already addressed that, you know early on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I like it. And it's a problem of do you? If you don't fire the coach, do you accept that your draft was terrible? Right, because lucas van ness was, I believe I'm not mistaken, he's a first round draft pick. So if you sit there and you say to yourself, oh yeah, like you know, our coach is doing fine, lucas van ness is just a bust, then it's like ah, I sucked at drafting. Right, because you look back at the packers first round draft or first round picks over the years not a lot of hits right, which leads to a lot of controversy then of who's doing a good job in there. Did you look up? Lucas van ness was his first round pick yeah, I believe he's like 15th, wasn't he?
Speaker 2:uh, yeah, let's see there was he like 15th in the draft? I can't remember now. 15th, 25th.
Speaker 3:First round 13th 13th.
Speaker 2:Even worse, right, even worse. If you're going to accept that as a bust that sucks, right. So you think that he has the physical attributes, it's like why isn't he developing the next level? So I agree with the Goonikens Get him out of there and see what you can find out there. But you know you don't want to see anybody get fired. But if he's not doing his job and you don't think he's doing his job the right way, that's what you got to do there.
Speaker 2:I did see, I went on his press conference here. We got so much more we're going to talk about within Brian good against press conference and Matt into him yet. But he did say it doesn't sound like the Packers are desperate to get after that first round but go to kids. He was. He was open to getting that uh, another pass catcher, so he's open to it. It doesn't sound like he's aggressively pursuing it. So I did see somebody was like rumoring T Higgins. I don't think they're aggressively pursuing T Higgins, but like if it fell into their laps, maybe if the price came down, maybe.
Speaker 2:Um, devante Adams I think, listening to Devante, he wants he sounds like he wants to come back to green Bay. I don't think green Bay would be opposed to it. So maybe if they can work out a trade there I mean it wouldn't cost you much, I don't think to get him away from the jets. So I mean we'll see. We'll see what they kind of do there. But Aaron, we're at the end of the show. We were actually 10 minutes over. Son of a gun. We went long tonight here. But, aaron, we got anything else. Before we wrap it up for the night here, anything else crazy happening in the world of sports.
Speaker 3:Um, not necessarily crazy, I would say, um, you know, it should be interesting with these, these playoff games. Um, as we come down the wire again, I mean I hope it's. I mean even sitting here. You know, as an Eagles fan, I don't want it to be Eagles-Chiefs again. Like that would make me kind of sick, even if some, you know, if we do get through the commanders, I don't know, I really I'm like 50-50. I'm not going to be like one of these crazies that like it's the commanders, you know the commanders, commanders are going all the way and win the whole thing. Like let's pump the brakes on that too, you know. I mean like we can kind of be somewhere in the middle, but I don't know, we'll see. I mean this, if the bills don't do it this year too, it's like when that's another team where it's like man, they're due, they're due to at least go. I mean they at least gotta go at some point, you know I want the commanders and the bills.
Speaker 2:I think that'd be a great super bowl. Can you? I mean remember that game out there? It was, uh, the rams and the bills and it was like 40 something to 40 something was the final that. What the heck was that final score? There was something ridiculous. Oh, I can't remember. No, there's chiefs bills.
Speaker 3:Games, too, like that have gone.
Speaker 2:The those get tough too. I was just what the heck was that final score of that bills and rams game there? Uh, let's see your bills 44 to 42. Like I could see a bills commanders super bowl being like 45 to 42. Like I could like a josh allen jane daniel shootout. That would be awesome. That'd be.
Speaker 2:If it's chiefs and it's eagles, I think it's going to be a slow paced dog fight. Probably there ain't no, there ain't no fireworks with the chiefs offense and right now there ain't no fireworks with the Eagles offense outside of Saquon Barkley Right now. If you wanted a high fly in Superbowl, it's bills and commanders. Like that would give you your dog fight. I honestly don't know. I'll be honest with you Like all hats off to Patomes and the way that he does things and everything like that. I don't know if they have the weapons to win a shootout with the Commanders. Like if the Commanders came out and they played a game like they did against the Lions the other night there, I don't know if the Chiefs could battle back with that. I don't know if they have the weapons to be able to go back at the Commanders, kind of like the Lions too. I mean, the Lions kind of fell for that one too.
Speaker 3:But I mean, patrick Mahomes probably won't throw as many picks as what Jared Coffin did. And yeah, like my defense to that is well with the Chiefs, right, and well with the Commanders. I want to say the Commanders' defense is like not great I would say not, no, no, not great, they have some playmakers. And then on the flip side, the Chiefs defense. I think would get after Jane. He'd be uncomfortable. I'm not trying to take anything away from him, I just think they got handed a lot. And the Detroit defense.
Speaker 2:I don't know if that guy gets uncomfortable.
Speaker 3:That's true. I don't know if he gets uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:You could throw Chris Jones at him at 100 miles per hour and I don't know if he moves, I think he throws the football.
Speaker 3:No, I, I agree, I just I don't know if he can do it against. You know, like I, I just Detroit's defense didn't wow me all like out with all the injuries, but like I just I'm not trying to take it away from him, I'm just saying, like he's, he was in a good position to have the game like, and you even alluded to it. You know, hey, the, you know this is a game where Jane Daniels can go and that's why you, he, picked him really. So I just, I don't know, I mean, but I will say, you know, I have a lot of Ravens people near me and it's already, it's already. I kind of, I kind of get what you can smell the smoke it's burning.
Speaker 3:Well, I can kind of I can kind of get behind, like hear me out, like I want to get your take on it before we get off here. Lamar turned the ball over. Like I always am always going to be, like Lamar doesn't get it done in the playoffs because he doesn't Like it. Just I don't excuses whatever, it's a team game. But man, I will say in this one, just like I say Drew Allard screwed Penn State, mark Andrews screwed. I mean I wouldn't. I'd say Mark Andrews, you get your own flight back.
Speaker 2:I mean come on, you can't throw a better ball than Lamar Jackson did to Mark Andrews.
Speaker 3:And a couple times, a couple times tonight, but that two-point conversion was in his breadbasket.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean. Just hang on to the football, dude. You have nothing. There's nothing else you got to do on that day down, literally fall down there was that touchdown throw stafford had to uh, oh, what's that guy's the parkinson, I think it's his name. The tight end from the uh rams, there is that his last name.
Speaker 3:I think it's park, uh, not higby.
Speaker 2:The other yeah, the other yeah, I think it's like parkinson or something like that, but he had that, that touchdown late and I mean that was a sling. That ball got slung through there and he held on fingertips down to the end zone there and it's just like, if you can hang out of that, how does and mark answers falling backwards hands on the football, not hold on to that baby like that's just uh ravens fans.
Speaker 2:That's a terrible way to lose, just like the rams, though. That's a terrible way to lose matt stafford giving you no shot to win it. Mark andrews dropping the ball at a two-point conversion. That would have forced overtime.
Speaker 3:I don't know you talk about. We talked about Penn State close, close, close, close. The Ravens are the definition of close, close, close. You know what I mean. You bring in Derrick Henry.
Speaker 3:I really thought that was going to be like the. I was scared of that all year. I was like man, that is, that's a problem. And they, like the I was scared of that all year, like I was like man, that that is that's a problem. And like they even set that record, like you know, quarterback and run, uh, running back tonight each with over a thousand in one year first time, like ever, I think, um, don't quote me on it, but I, I just, I don't know man, like I, I want to put this game on the more like I still do. Kind of put it on Lamar the turnovers killed him and like that pick was awful, he threw, but man, he had him. This time he marched him. Every time you think you can't march him down the field and tie it, win it. That's always been like, oh, can he do that? He did it. And for Mark Andrews to drop that, I'm like dude, I wouldn't want to that play was perfection.
Speaker 2:That play like two point conversion play was perfection.
Speaker 3:They ran the pick mark andrews came out wide open.
Speaker 2:There's nobody in the area code. I get it slippery, but, dude, you can't. Fundamentals man, I mean when you play in the snow, you gotta know, you just gotta know. And the ravens dropped that game 27 to 25. So our playoffs are set now. We're gonna talk more about that later on this week.
Speaker 2:But Chiefs, bills, and then we have Eagles and Commanders. So those are two pretty good storylines in both of them Division rivals and the Chiefs and Bills Like Josh Allen. Can he get over the hump, right? Can he get over the hump? I hope he does. I hope he wins in Arrowhead.
Speaker 2:I want to see commanders and Bills, just because neither one's been there in a while and it just makes for better football Because you have the Eagles or you have the Chiefs and you have the Chiefs again. It's like the 3P and it's like you got the controversies with the reffing and everything like that. If you get Bills, commanders, nobody cares. People care, but it's just like nobody's got. Like hatred, right, there's not hatred, there's not hatred. You're like I hope jade daniels wins, I hope josh jannon, josh allen, wins his first one. Like. There's no hatred towards either team heading into that one, unless you're an eagles fan, right, unless you're eagles fan, you're like I hate. I hate the commanders, but outside of that it's like nobody really cares what happens in that one.
Speaker 2:So, aaron, we gotta get out of here. We ran a little bit long, got to get out of here. We ran a little bit long, we got to get out of here. We're going to be back on Wednesday. We're going to talk more about this Brian Gutekind's press conference, talk about some of the things that he had to say in there. We're going to have more Packer talk, more Badger talk, because the Badgers will be taking on UCLA coming up on Tuesday. So we're going to get into that game. Maybe some Brewer to it all. Kyle, he's in the comments tonight, but he's going to be on the show on Wednesday. There, we're going to get him in. We're going to talk about the Bucs, because we have not talked about the Bucs in a while. Kyle's my guy. We're talking about Bucs there, so we're going to get into that on Wednesday here on the show. So with that, for Aaron and myself, this has been Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trage, thank.