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Speaker 2:Now your host. How we doing everybody and welcome into wisconsin sports on the go with trage. I'm your host, trage. It is april 23rd, we're at the end of april, it is draft time. The brewers are just, we're hoping, heating up right. We got badger football is, spring showcase just happened. Goodness, we just have all kinds of stuff happening over this last week and going into this weekend. Goodness gracious, it is just a loaded up weekend. So we are here. We are here to talk about it all. We're here to talk about it all tonight. We got umber coming out.
Speaker 2:We're gonna talk packers here in the first part of the show. Talk packers, get ready for the draft, what we're hoping to see, what we're expecting to see. So we got that going on. We got kyle coming on. Later we'll be talking bucks, bucks pacers, because right now it is not looking great, but we're going to talk Bucks Pacers. See if Kyle thinks, hey, maybe there's a shot, right, maybe there's a shot. We got Rajiv is supposed to be on. If not, we might change it up. Maybe we'll get scary on it. Not yet, we'll see what happens there. So we got a loaded up show. Regardless, we got a loaded up show and we can't wait to get to it all night here to talk sports here on this Wednesday.
Speaker 2:I hope you guys are doing great. I hope you're settled in wherever you're at right now. Hope you're settled in. The weather has been getting a little bit nicer, right. I mean we got rain coming up this week, hopefully able to get my games in for my boys this weekend, but we'll wait and see. We'll wait and see on that one there. I hope everybody had a fantastic Easter. Of course I had a fantastic Easter there. I mean, spent mine with my family, everything like that, so it was great in that sense there. But I hope everybody else had a fantastic Easter out there.
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Speaker 2:So, anyways, coming off the weekend I had one thing that kind of you know, I would start the show with what was grinding my gears, right, what was grinding my gears coming off the weekend? And one of the biggest thing that's been grinding my gears, I guess you could say, is I always go on the ESPN app or MLB, wherever it is, and you would believe that there was only three teams in all of Major League Baseball. It's Yankees, dodgers, I mean Mets, that's who they're talking about all the time, right? Maybe not even the Mets at times, it's just Dodgers, yankees, for sure, right, all the time. There's never. Hey, look at Sal Froelich, he's batting what 340-something right now. There's never a mention about that. Nobody even notices right?
Speaker 2:The other day I was so surprised I saw on the MLB Network. They were talking about their top rookies or whatever, and it was Chad Patrick. Right, chad Patrick was on there. I was like wow, I can't believe they gave him that much recognition. Right, it drives me nuts, it really does. It drives me nuts because we talk about small market teams, right, and how you give publicity or how you get you know small markets more show. Right, and an easy way put them in front of more eyeballs.
Speaker 2:Not everybody wants to watch the Yankees as much as MLB and as much as these. You know the big groups. They want to push that on you right, boom, boom, boom. You got to watch the Yankees. Nobody does, nobody cares, right? I would rather sit there and I love watching. You know, the Brewers, right? I mean, we all love watching the Brewers, right, but I'd love to see the Brewers take on the San Francisco Giants every once in a while.
Speaker 2:Something Give me, something the Yankees Give me. The Yankees versus some random team on a Sunday night, I could care less. Sunday night, baseball is kind of the wind downhill for me, and that's because they just put the same darn teams on there all the time. I don't care, You're hitting one market, you're not hitting all the markets. Put more of these small market teams in front of eyes. Put it in front of eyes. It's like March Madness Nobody knows about UNBC or anybody from UNBC until they go to the tournament and then they're like, oh my goodness, look at this team. Like I want to root for this team. That's that's where I'm at with these guys. Give me the teams that we want to see. You know, not, I shouldn't say that we all want to see, right, but spread it out a little bit. Spread the love.
Speaker 2:I, I don't know that grinds my gears. Maybe it's just, maybe it's just me, maybe it's just me, but I, just, I, I look all over, you know, social media or wherever, and all these big outfits, the MLB app, map, that bad app, and all that, and it's Yankees, this, dodgers, this, everything like that. It's like I don't care, right, I'm not clicking that, I don't care. The Shohei Otani and I always get a lot of grief for this one from everybody, but I've never been on the Shohei Otani hype. I thought it was the 50-50 club was cool for a day. And I thought it was the 50-50 club was cool for a day and then it got annoying and hearing about it every single day. Just drove me nuts, drove me nuts. So, yeah, that's how I am.
Speaker 2:I want to hear about good baseball, who's doing good, not just one team just because they're the Yankees, not just this team because they're the Dodgers. That's just me, I guess, I don't know. So, yeah, that's kind of grinding my gears off the weekend. Might've not made sense to anybody out there, but for me it's grinding my gears. That big, the big market teams we put them everywhere, we plaster them up on billboards, but small market teams, it's like exist. Don't put them in front of the eyeballs, don't give them stories. There's stories in these small market teams. You just don't search for them. None of these beat writers, the big beat writers, search for them. They don't care, right, they don't, and that's that's my problem. That's my big problem with major league baseball. So, yeah, that's what I'm gonna add. That's kind of my gears off the weekend there.
Speaker 2:So, hey, I mean, goodness, we got lots going on today. We're gonna be talking, like I said, coming up here in this hour. We're going to talk packers with umber. That's going to take a little bit right. That's gonna probably take the whole hour. Holy goodness, that's gonna take the whole hour. We got packer talk, draft talk what goody had to say. Everything like that's where we're talking that. We got kyle coming out. Later we'll be talking bucks. We got rajiv or scary I don't know who's coming out later on tonight here, but we got one of those two coming on to talk Badgers later on. We got Brewer talk later on in the show. We got all kinds of stuff. So make sure you are sticking around here on the show.
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Speaker 2:So we went to the break there, first part of the show. I was telling you guys what's been grinding my gears as of late. What was grinding my gears coming off the weekend there. Now we got other with us tonight. Here we're going to be talking Packers because the draft we got the draft coming up this week. We are stoked.
Speaker 2:It's in green Bay for the one one and probably only time they'll ever have it in green Bay, because that's just how it goes right. I can't. It actually surprised me when they said it was the only time that it's ever been in Green Bay. Like I had to double check that. I was like really, like Titletown, usa, that's, you don't have the draft here ever. And it's true, it's only been once and this is going to be the one time. So it should be a spectacle, it should be something to behold. There Can't wait to see the sight sounds everything like that. I'm probably not going to go over there just because it's going to be madness. And well, my son, he's only a couple months, he's like a month old now, so he can't really travel to Green Bay. So well, anyways, anyways, enough about that, ummer. How are we doing tonight? It's Wednesday, we're excited, draft's coming up here. What do you got for me tonight?
Speaker 3:Man, I'm awesome. Man, I am really, really looking forward to this. It feels like it was just yesterday. It was January. I had no idea who was coming out. I was still reeling over the loss or the Eagles, and I was, like man, I got to again prepare myself for these amazing college students that are going to come into the NFL and live out their dreams. And, man, I'm just I'm, I'm excited, I'm extremely excited. Their dreams and man, I'm just I'm, I'm excited, I'm extremely excited. Um, hearing gudikunz today, uh, gave me not much more or less insight. I think all of us know exactly what he does. He's very much keeps things close to the chest, uh. But I'm good though, I'm good. How are you doing, man? And congratulations again on the one month old there, I know how that goes, man, you're gonna be in for the, you're gonna be in for the fun time here it's the fun.
Speaker 2:It's the fun right now. He doesn't. He likes. He likes to sleep when you're holding him. Does not like to sleep when he's laying down. The bass is his. It's like his enemy is that bassinet. He hates that thing. But tell you what you pick him up for a while done, knocks out he's like just sleeping there.
Speaker 3:wait for those times where you have you're watching tv and you have him on your chest and then both of you just pass out. I'm going to tell you right now that's the best sleep you're ever going to get in your life.
Speaker 2:He loves the Brewers and River Monsters. I've been on a River Monsters kick as of late. Here We've been watching all the episodes. Jeremy Wade is like the only reason that show went away was because he caught every fish that you could possibly catch. Goodness, but I mean mean he's fantastic. So, like he loves that show, though crank his head around, he's watching what's going on there. I'm like, yes, sir, we're going fishing. That's gonna be your first, first birthday. We're going fishing. So that's all I know. That's all I know right there. So, yeah, you mentioned it there. Brian gutekens spoke to the media today. We learned absolutely nothing. Basically, yeah, we know the only thing.
Speaker 2:I guess the only thing we could say that we maybe learned was we're still looking to trade jay alexander, yeah, which I found I I don't know what to believe anymore, because we have jordan love going on the up and adams show there and he says he's definitely a player we need back. When talking about jay alexander and just speaking high praise to him, jai, he's got his own world going on said love, who's entering? You know, blah, blah, we'll let him handle his business. That's my guy right there. Yeah, he wants him back, but I'm almost 99 sure that goody's sending him off the door. So I guess goody's just like I'm gonna run this business. I'm not gonna really take my players' words into account. But Josh Jacobs, are we not taking his words into account anymore? Because Josh Jacobs when in the offseason said we need more weapons, I mean it's you gotta. I don't want to get to the point where we're listening to the players too much, right, because I think that gets into problems. That's my biggest problem with the Bucs. I think we listen to Giannis too much because Giannis has got how many coaches fired when we think it's the coach's fault.
Speaker 2:Well, at some point you got to stop listening to the players. Rodgers got all fired up for the longest time. Could he have used weapons? I don't know, it depends who you ask, but outside of that it's one of Listening to the players and getting to invest in it. Goody's got to do what he thinks is best for the football team that he's running Now. Is that going to be the best thing for them? To move on from JD Alexander? We've talked about it. I don't know. I don't know If he stays healthy. No, because when he's healthy he's one of the best in football. But he's been hurt. So if you could get something for him, maybe it's not the worst. Now I I really do think the best you can do for him in a trade package is you're not going to get a pick for this year.
Speaker 3:Yeah you're gonna get awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it might be tough, yeah I think it's gonna be next year and I think it's gonna be one of those okay, if he plays eight games, it's a fifth round pick. If he plays nine games, it's a fourth round pick. If he plays 11 games, it's a fifth round pick. If he plays nine games, it's a fourth round pick. If he plays 11 games, okay, now it's a third round pick. If he plays every game, okay, now it's a first round pick. It's going to be one of them contingency picks where it's like he's got to play for us, for you guys, to get a higher draft pick, to get that capital. I think that's kind of where it's going to be leaning right now. I mean, where are we looking right now? Jair Alexander, with this Packers team, goody says he's out the door. Love wants to keep him. We kind of want to keep him in Green Bay if he's healthy and can play, but at the same time, when's enough enough and you just move on from the guy. We just keep throwing him around right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think when it comes to Jair Alexander I mean Goody said it best he goes, he's on our team right now, right, and that's normally a clear sign of like, okay, well, we're gonna wait to see how the draft plays out. I'm pretty sure their plan is to move him. I know jordan wants it back because jordan knows, like you know, jair is a leader on this team. He, when he's out there, he is loved and liked by all the teammates. It was, even if you hear the beat writers. Not a single player came out and was questioning jair's motives or motivation or his, his thought process on why he wasn't playing. Everyone knew that he was doing everything he could to be out there, right, and so I think you know you can take your players input as much as you can, but as a GM you gotta figure out what you think is best for a team, and maybe he's looking at it where, like a lot of times the Packers do, we should get out a year earlier than a year too late, right, and maybe this year. Last year was a year too late, even though he was playing pretty darn well until he messed up his knee at Jacksonville, and so against Jacksonville, sorry, and so for me I can see him being moved, probably during the draft.
Speaker 3:I'm still holding out hope that he gets moved to Baltimore. I mean I want him on the team. Like, don't get me wrong, if we can keep him and he's happy and not disgruntled and he wants to play, then I think that's the best thing for us and for him. Now, if he wants to be gone, then set him somewhere where he'd want to go and thrive, preferably AFC and hopefully with the Baltimore Ravens, to play with Lamar. It's one of those things where I think Goody can't say too much, because he's at a point now with Jair where everybody knows that there's an impasse coming right and so people are like, well, we can either give him a seventh or a sixth round pick this year or next year and get him, or we can just wait for them to cut him, because either way he's going to be available. The question is are teams going to want to invest any draft capital to get him now and not?
Speaker 2:have to fight for him against other teams and free agency. Yeah, no, I agree, and you know, it made it worse last year for fans was the fact that we had no depth.
Speaker 1:There was nobody else out there at the quarterback, if you had guys in there who could fill.
Speaker 2:If you were like, oh you know, ballantyne or Valentine were way ahead of the eight ball there, you'd been fine. If you had Nate Hobbs, you probably would have been fine, but you didn't and you were stuck. Okay, jair's out. Now what Right? Keyshawn Nixon gets thrown out there. We're moving guys around, bullard's getting thrown around. It's like we can't find guys staying there consistently. That's a problem too is injuries, and injuries did not help the situation at all.
Speaker 2:But the biggest kicker for me, the defensive line, the rush, the pass rush was absolutely atrocious. If you have a terrible pass rush, your secondary is going to look like garbage. That's just plain and simple. You can't in the NFL today. There is no Revis Island. There is no lockdown corners anymore. There's good corners, they can stick with a guy for a little bit, but you give them eight, nine, 10 seconds to run around out there, they're going to bust open at some point. You look at the Eagles I know we've talked about before with Cooper Dijon. Right, he would have been good wherever he went. He's a good, he's a great player. Yeah, but you put him in Green Bay I can't say that big as what it was in Philadelphia why Philly could drop back seven because they could rush four and get heat. The Packers had to bring six or seven just to get pressure on the quarterback and not even good pressure at times. Just oh, I got to step up in the pocket kind of pressure.
Speaker 2:That's not pressure. That's where we were talking about PFF a little earlier before we came on here. That's where I hate the PFF and they grade pressures, because when I look at the pressure score that they give, it's like no, no, that doesn't. That's not pressure. Stepping up in the pocket is not pressure. Putting a quarterback in so much distress he's got to run out of the pocket and bail, that's pressure incomplete passes, interceptors, turnovers, things like that.
Speaker 2:Like I completely agree, sam barnold was never under pressure from the green bay packers. This last season he had to step up in the pocket a few times. That was it. That was it. So I'm looking at it and I'm like I want Jair back for that fact. But they have something that they got to do first, and that is upgrade the pass rush room. I don't care what you have to do, you have to find somebody out there. I don't know if it's going to be oh, we get this, we bring in a new defensive line coach. Maybe that fixes something.
Speaker 3:I think that's what they're thinking.
Speaker 2:That's what they're hoping, I mean it's a hope, but I think that's also Goody saying I don't want Lucas Van Ness to be a bust. I don't want this guy to be a bust. I need these guys to work out for my sake, not for everybody else, because we talked about this before too and we're going to get into the draft here in a minute. But Goody tries to be the smartest guy in the room and for once he's just got to go into this draft and just say who is the best dude available at 23? That's what he's got to do, not Lucas Van Ness. He looks like Tarzan but he plays like Jane. He could be this guy, but he's not. He's not yet. Oh well, could be this guy, but he's not. He's not yet. Oh well, he could be in the first round. I don't want could be's, I want this dude's a stud. We were lucky to get edgar and cooper in the second round, because that dude is a first round talent that they got in the second round.
Speaker 3:He mocked in the first round too like he was yeah he's a good player, yeah eric
Speaker 3:100. He says the whole like tarzan, looks like tarzan, plays like jane, and I hate to say the lvn definitely fits that role, because, you know, that was good. He actually was asked about that today and it was one of those things where they talked about. Well, you know, he didn't play very much in college. I'm like, okay, that's fine. He's been in the league now for two years and really he hasn't taken that jump and you were having some high expectations of that if you're going to take him in a top 15 pick in the first round. And then, of course, he makes the comments today about where first round picks aren't expected to be immediate contributors, and we had talked about this earlier, where I said that is the old way of doing things.
Speaker 3:That was the way of the early 2000s, and nowadays, when you're drafting first-round talents, you're not drafting a project. You may get a project in the end of the first round, but normally you're drafting a guy in the first 20 picks. You want aaron rogers, who was just coming off a a new season with a new coach, and then he had an mvp season after that, two years after that, but the difference was, though, like he was a quarterback that needed time to develop, which makes sense. I feel like other positions within on the team, you don't really need that much time to develop. I guess right, because being a running back, being off his alignment, maybe tight end, is one that would require some time. I just feel like I've seen rookie players in all positions to include quarterbacks, to be able to come in and hit the ground running right, and I don't feel like it's like you were.
Speaker 3:You'd mentioned this previously. I don't feel like it's fair to the team or to us as fans, where, hey, we're drafting this guy and we think he's going to be good in three, four years, because it's like, okay, that's great, but then if you're not hitting on your drafts before that, guess what? Now you're starting to slip up and the investments two, three years ago they're not coming through. Now you're really behind the eight ball, and I know we're going to probably get into that here a little bit more on the draft stuff, because I can't wait to talk about just where we're going to go with this draft that's coming up here tomorrow. Where, wow, how are they going to attack? Because we don't have positions of need, but we do have positions that do need an infusion of talent.
Speaker 2:Yep, no, I would agree, and you mentioned it great there. The reach for talent Yep, no, I would agree, and you mentioned it great there, the reach for talents. When you have the 13th pick in the 2023 draft, you don't go with a guy like you stated there, like Goody stated Well, he didn't play a lot in college why you draft him with the 13th pick then, if he didn't play a lot in college?
Speaker 1:I don't want projects.
Speaker 2:When I'm picking 13th in the NFL draft, I don't want a project, I want to do it. Insert, plug, play, go, get him. And maybe he's not going to be like all-star, he's not going to be like Hall of Famer year one, but I expect him at some point. Unless if I bust him like unless I got a bust he's going to end up being that guy and that's where I think he's had a problem and we could go over the years and there's a lot of problems with drafts so far for him. So we got more to get into. We're going to talk draft when we come back here. Umber's gonna be back here on the back side. We got draft talk about, so we'll be back here right after this quick break on wisconsin sports on the go with trage. Welcome back in to wisconsin sports on go with trage. I'm your host, trage. We're coming back here.
Speaker 2:It's wednesday and, hey, I know it's raining outside, but we're gonna have sunny weather coming up at some point. Hopefully, right saturday looks like some sun. We're gonna get the weekends here coming up. It's gonna be exciting because marshall motor speedway is just getting underway with the race season here. The half mile uh, half mile paved racetrack there, three miles west of marshfield on county road age. Get down to the summer, tons of family fun for all ages, great food, great drinks or an atmosphere. Nothing better than a great summer day or night down at the track there.
Speaker 2:Find upcoming events and races at marshfieldspeedwaycom. That is marshfieldspeedwaycom also. If you follow us on facebook, wisconsin sports on the go trade follow us over there. We always share out their posts about the races coming up and everything like that. So make sure you check us out on facebook there and we'll help you get down to the racetrack there, because nothing better than a great summer day or night down at the track at marshall motor speedway there. So we went to the break. We were talking packers, we were hot and running about random stuff with the packers here, but we got draft to talk about, because this nfl draft going up here in green bay for the first time ever, right, and the biggest question was what do you feel the Packers are going to do? Right, they have a lot of options. There's a lot of option. 23rd pick there's a lot of teams who want that 23rd pick.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of teams who would love to get that. So you're going to stay put, you're going to move up, you're going to move back. What are you going to do? So if you were the Packers and you're sitting there right now Brian Gutekinds is sitting, probably in his recliner right now, probably not. He's probably freaking out because he's got to make something happen here in the first round. What are you thinking? You know, am I fielding phone calls and saying to them you're probably fielding them, but if somebody says let's just say whoever would call, right, say hey, you know, I'd really love to move up in the draft. You can move back to 25. I'll move up. Would you field that phone call? Are you moving back in this draft? Are you moving up? What are you thinking right now?
Speaker 3:I think Goody answered it really well today where he said that when it comes to your time to pick, you have two options and it's kind of like okay, we have a guy that we want to pick at this pick or we could trade back, gather more picks and then hopefully still get that same guy in a later pick right. And for me personally, I feel like if there is a guy there who I think is going to help me personally, is going to help contribute now, like I'm thinking Emika Mbuka from Ohio State, if he's there, if Derek Harmon is there, if Trey Amos, I would feel like we could trade back and still get him. But my two guys in the first round that I really, really want would be either, would be really just Ibuka. I love Ibuka to death. I think he is a Packer player through and through. I think he is an all-scholastic player at Ohio State. Also, he is uberly talented.
Speaker 3:We have yet to see really any receivers coming out. How is they fall on their face? Every single one of them has been pretty damn good and uh, I'm taking, I'm going receiving. The reason why I'm going to receive. I know that's been a hot topic since javon walker in 2001 was the last time he drafted a first round pick for a wide receiver. The reason why is because you have a lot of guys who are pretty good in the wide receiver room but you don't have A. If you don't re-sign Watson and you don't re-sign Dobbs now, you're out two players right, because with Watson he's not going to be back until week 12. Dobbs has all the concussion history now which you don't know what's going to happen with him. So I'm trying to infuse that room with new talent.
Speaker 3:I like I do like Ibuka. I love Jaden Higgins, who I have Ohio State, ohio State. Both guys are incredibly talented. Higgins is the senior bowl guy also. I mean, the things that came out about him are just absolutely amazing high catch rate, just like mbuka and just just a really talented kid. And so right there, those two picks would would be okay with and of course, derrick carmen out of oregon, who um would be. I hate to say it. I'm hoping kenny clark never leaves green bay and he'll always play in green bay. But if we're looking to get more and more talent on the defense line, if you just lost tj slanton, I get a guy like harman because he can play.
Speaker 2:He's he's one of the best pass rushing defense tackles in this draft that is exactly where I was leaning and I'm glad you finished with that one. I I love the wide receiver. I god. I really want to take and I know know they were talking about McMillan there too from.
Speaker 3:I didn't mention him. Was he out of Arizona?
Speaker 2:there, where's he out of?
Speaker 3:He's Arizona and he like I guess he had a private workout and supposedly Gutekunst was the only GM there, but I think the other guy was there too. He was in for a top all these guys were in for top 30 visits and he's considered to be one of the best receivers in the draft. For him to come all the way down to 23, I don't think you can but run up and run up that card and I'm more better, smarter people than me, like brennan rup and ben fennel and hayden winks and all those guys and, to go, brian mafia, all those dudes. They know better than I do about that guy and they love him to death. They all think he's an amazing talent. So I'm with you. He's, he's, he's a dude that you can't say no to the only way I can say no.
Speaker 2:This is one way I I love harman and I love green too. Mike green edge from marshall, there I watching his green he is a bull rusher and they have him dropping to 27. I saw this one mock draft tannenbaum did it, I think and he had him down at 27. I don't know if he's gonna drop that far, but if he were to drop that far, I don't know how you say no, I don't know how you yeah pass up on a guy like that, because my thing is, I look at these teams and I look at you.
Speaker 2:Know what makes a defensive line it's interior out? You got to have the center figured out first, right, and and I look at guys like Aaron Donald and I look at guys Now.
Speaker 2:You got Jalen Carter for the Eagles out there. Even though I don't like him, he's still a fantastic talent. Chris Jones for the Chiefs they're fantastic and that's what you need. You got to figure out the inside. Kenny Clark was atrocious last year. I love him. I love him to death, but he just was not it. Devontae Wyatt according to Goodikens, he's going to exercise all the options.
Speaker 3:I saw that.
Speaker 4:Walker Devontae.
Speaker 2:Wyatt. I think Devontae Wyatt's got a ton of upside. I don't think he's reached it yet.
Speaker 3:Stay, healthy Stay healthy this season.
Speaker 2:Maybe he can find it. So you're hoping that he's going to be the guy of the future. Kenny Clark going to be on his way out right at some point here. So we're looking who's going to be the next guy in right and that's where I think you bring in a guy like harman now. Maybe you can fill in that spot now. Would it be crazy to go with abuka there? I don't think so, because you are also looking at, like you said, a banged up wide receiver room. You don't know what you got. You brought in mccall hardman.
Speaker 3:You still don't know what you got fourth guy yeah, he's not out there getting like starter snaps yeah exactly, no, exactly.
Speaker 2:You don't know what you got in the room at all at this point here so yes, I think you need a target there. If Ibuka comes up in the 23, I don't know how you don't say yes to that Maybe Green Bay gets crazy with it and trades away a lot to get up into this draft here and double dip somewhere. I you could see it happening. Maybe early into the second round they could try to jump high, grab a defensive lineman, whatever it is, I don't know. They have, like you said before, they don't have a lot of huge needs, but they have needs, not huge, but they have spots where they got to fill some holes and fill some holes fast. So I mean, I I completely agree with you there. But yeah, that's the big thing I'm looking at is Kenny Clark's lack of production last season.
Speaker 2:I think you've got to find help in the defensive tackle room because if you have another year like that, I think it's time you got to just eh, maybe we just got to move on. We got to just get, get off of Kenny Clark there and kind of move on, and hopefully you have somebody groomed up that you can pull in the backside there instead of just, oh, shoot, now we got to plug a guy. He's been here for a year, he's ready to go. He's been working his way in and you still I mean you still got other pieces, other defensive linemen in the room that you can fill around there. I just I wouldn't hate Harmon. I I mean so okay, where are you leaning right now, first round, first round of this draft? Where are you leaning Like? Is there a guy where, if he dropped, you know, I think it's like how does the board?
Speaker 2:work. How does the board work? Is going to depend on where I'm at because, like I said, if Harmon and Green drop, I don't know how I pass on Green from Marshall there if he's available at 23. I don't know how I say no.
Speaker 3:I don't know how I say no, I don't know how it's funny you say this. There's a couple of things. So with the Mike Green thing, we're really talented. Was amazing senior bowl. He has some baggage in his background. I'm not going to go into it because I'm not very well versed in it, but it has been that's why he might drop.
Speaker 3:Let's go with that he and something you mentioned about the possibility of trading back goody keeps talking about acquiring more picks. It could be subterfuge, right, and the fact that we want to see as many quarterbacks go in the first round for us personally right. So someone wants to trade back into the first round let's say the browns, the saints, the steelers. Somebody wants to trade back up and try to get jackson dart, trying to get shador. Then they want to trade with us. They want to give us their first round pick for next year, just like the saints did to trade up and get marcus davenport that year. We got jair. I'm gonna have a hard time saying no to that right now. That sucks for us because now we gotta wait, whatever.
Speaker 3:But for the thing that you're saying, when it came to position, I agree with you. Um, I'm I'm very much leaning towards wide receiver and it's because of that issue that we're having, when it comes to just the depth in that room, defense aligned, because we did lose a big guy in Slayton. And the corner thing is tricky because we just talked about Jair. If Jair is out the door, then you do need to get another corner in there. The question is, you're not going to get another Jair Alexander. You're going to get a guy that you hope that can turn into Jair Alexander.
Speaker 3:So me personally, even though it's a big, it's like a thing that Packers are supposed to get a receiver every year and they never get a receiver every year. I would lean towards receiver, because if you do get McMillan or Ibuka, let's say you don't right, let's say you get higgins later in the first round. There's other guys you can get, like jalen royal out of utah state, second and third round, who also could still fill that need yeah, and you know, the thing with the packers is they run a lot of zone.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of zone. Yeah, you could just get me a lot of cornerbacks that are fast and can keep up with guys and can cover a spot, and I I could live with that. So that's where I'm. I don't know if I want to use the 23rd pick, for you know, like we talked before, you don't have lockdown corners anymore. I'm not going after a lockdown corner at this point. I don't need, like. I have nate obbs, I still have jair alexander in the fold and you think keisha nixon is going to develop into something. Valentine, whatever you got there. I'm kind of looking at the draft and saying I could go and get cornerbacks. I can get a plethora of them later in the game, later in the draft.
Speaker 3:I should say those guys are out there and it's funny, you see that too, like halfly coming in, he was a man zone, he's a man dude, he was man press, press and he just was all about blitzing the man press. And I feel that because what you had said previously about the pass rush being so bad, I felt like he had to play more zone than he wanted to compensate for the lack of pass rush. So you're right, like, if they do get, like you've been saying, they get a Derek Harmon, they get a Mike green, they get someone on that defensive line and Nick script, and they get one of those guys that can really apply pressure, then you high pressure, then you don't have to play so much zone, right, you can play man, you can be a little more aggressive on the back end, and you can do that with the guys we have right now. Because us signing Nate Hobbs, we got him and we paid him in a way where he could play literally inside or outside, right. And you know, keyshawn, he said that he's going to be a CB1, right. And then you got Carrington Valentine on the other side too.
Speaker 3:So I'm with you, corner, to me there's guys like Maxwell Harrison and Trey Amos who are probably considered to be first-round picks. But me personally, I want to go. I'm like you want to build the trenches and, honestly, the talent that are coming out. From a receiver perspective, I can see us doing it and we already know it's not going to happen and my heart's gonna be broken. We see him book out there at 23 and we don't pick him. It's gonna break my heart, just like last year. Which acts?
Speaker 2:well, and you know another guy too, kaylin king in that, uh, in that second I love him he's still got a lot of potential and I watched him last year.
Speaker 2:He was on the practice squad for a while, right, but I remember seeing him in camp and everything like that. I'm watching him. Like this guy's got some upside, Like I love this guy and they brought him up off the practice squad for a little bit and I'm like I hope I see him, because the secondary is stinking right now and we never saw him out there. But like, Like you mentioned, we have guys in the room and that's where I'm leaning with the cornerback group. I'm like just go get me some guys who can run around, Just go get me some runners.
Speaker 2:That's all I need. I don't need lockdown dudes. I have Valentine, who I think can be good. I have Keyshawn Nixon who I think is good enough. He's not a lockdown corner, but he's good enough. If you're going to play zone, you need just fast guys from cover spot. If you're gonna play man, you could still get away with that kind of thing there too. So, and you got nate hobbs in the room now too. So I I'm just at that point where I'm like I want to, like you said, build the trenches. Where do you win football games? In the trenches, defensive line. You got to get pressure. That's where I'm looking at the defensive tackle and I'm like, okay, in the run game, you need this guy. In the pass rush, you need this guy. Where do you not need him? You need him all the time. Okay, this is what we need consistently out on the football field. That's where I'm looking right now, I think in the linebacker room.
Speaker 2:I mean, you can adapt, right, I'm not yeah but you have edgar and cooper, you have quay walker who I think did take a step last year. I just think he's banged up. He never got back to it. I think if you let edgar and cooper run the mic, you let him be green dot and you let quay walker just be off the ball this off ball guy blitzing and doing his stuff.
Speaker 2:Because the problem with quay walker is I think you put too much on his plate. I just think he gets overwhelmed and he blows past plays and when you watch him it's like he's there, he just blows past the play he can, he can get there. It just he blows past us to play. He can't. He can't get off a block. He has those kind of issues. I think he needs some work, yes, but I'm not giving up on coy walker yet.
Speaker 2:He's still got I think he's still got a ton of upside. I just think he's not a number one guy. We were expecting him to be a number one guy. He's not a number one guy. Edgar and cooper, that's a number one guy. Yeah, we got that guy now. So you, you are fine in that room. I think you need to find some edge. I think you need to find some uh help up the middle. That's where I'm looking right now with the screen by packer team, and I agree with you, the wide receiver room definitely uh kind of scares me out there. So I'm looking like you said, you want defensive line edge rush. You need wide receivers. Those are the position groups where I'm like that is where I need to look right off the bat. First round, second round, maybe even the third round, fourth round, fifth round that's where I'm going. Hey, what cornerbacks available.
Speaker 2:Cornerbacks are still available and then I'm just going boom, boom, boom, boom, boom Corners all day long. That's where I'm looking right now, because you know where the Packers need Wide receiver edge cornerback.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was going to tell you, though, two things. So Jason Marshall out of Florida is considered to be a six-or-seven-round pick. Who's really talented? Who's something that we can get late? There's a kid out of Tulane also. I forgot his name right now because I'm drawing a blank on him, but he's another great talented player who I think is Caleb Rakeshaw.
Speaker 3:But there's guys that are out there you can get later in the draft.
Speaker 3:And let's not forget Isaiah Simmons, former seventh overall pick out of Clemson, was in a seventh overall pick in that draft. He was in for a visit two days ago or last week, didn't get signed yet and I think, like you get a guy like him who's about 238 pounds, runs a 4.39, and he could be your hybrid safety linebacker. That you know what I'm saying. That was a position that was there, that went away, and he could be a guy that could come in and play in the chip in the linebacker. That you know I'm saying. That was a position that was there, that went away, and he could be a guy that could come in and play in the chip in the linebacker position and then you could also have, as that, almost like a run stopper when it comes to like a, like a in the box safety and yeah. So that's another. That's another consideration too. Right, if they do, they do sign him. I think they haven't yet, so I'm kind of wondering what's going on there with that.
Speaker 2:Probably wait and see what happens in the draft who they grab in there and I mean Rashawn Gary, a lot of hate last year.
Speaker 2:But you bringing a guy like Green there to play the opposite side than Rashawn Gary. You make it hard on a pass rusher to get himself open when he has to be double teamed every time he gets off the line. Exactly. You bringing a guy like Green. That's going to level that line completely and then you are going to find holes for rashawn gary. You're going to find holes for davante. Why? Maybe that helps kenny clark, maybe that helps him out, maybe that makes his job a lot easier bringing in a guy like green. So that's why I'm like you got to find a pass rusher in some way, shape or form. Maybe tj y right, he's. He's kind of upset with steelers, baby I saw that.
Speaker 3:I saw that, yeah, you want to make Packer fans happy.
Speaker 2:You want to make Wisconsin fans happy. Send the 23rd pick to the Steelers for TJ Watt.
Speaker 3:I heard we had the best odds. I heard we had the best odds.
Speaker 2:Packer fans would be perfectly okay if you got rid of the 23rd pick and you said TJ Watt is on his way to Green Bay, oh See ya, you talking about all the Trey Hendrickson-like stuff, and then you bring in TK Watt instead.
Speaker 3:Oh God, yeah, You're going to have the first three rounds of picks.
Speaker 2:Pittsburgh, You're going to have all three first rounds you can have them all.
Speaker 3:Draft day.
Speaker 2:Draft day, just draft day. Yeah, we need Kevin Costner on here to start yelling at him.
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Speaker 2:Oh, that movie is fantastic. I love it. I don't put my hate on it.
Speaker 3:I love it to death man.
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Speaker 2:So, hey, we went to the break. We were talking packers, we got a little more into the draft. Right, we were hot and running. In the first part, we had no idea what we were talking about. We got to the draft a little bit. Now we're going to wrap it up here with this little draft, talk here with ummer here. So we were talking about, you know, the defensive line needs and everything like that heading into this one. I want to flip sides, I want to look over at the offensive line because Josh Myers is gone.
Speaker 2:So the talk is Elton Jenkins moves over. That's going to solve the problems. Well, I don't know in my mind if that solves the problem. I love Elton Jenkins at guard. So you know, the Packers did this thing. At one point they took Myers. They replaced Corey Linsley at one point, so they took Myers, they plug and play. Basically, Myers was put in a little too early in most, like your opinion, my opinion was put in a little too early.
Speaker 2:But hey, they did what they did. Myers ended up being solid. Myers ended up being solid. He wasn't great, he was never great, but he was solid, he was a good center. So do we see the Packers potentially drafting a center saying, hey, maybe a guard that they like that can move to center, that has that potential? Do we see the Packers kind of maybe leaning in that direction, in your opinion, or do we just move Jenkins over and just say screw it. Where are we at right now? What would you do if you were in Brian Goodikens' shoes?
Speaker 3:I would let Elton Jenkins and Jacob Monk compete for center. Also Sean Ryan, because Sean Ryan did take snaps at center as well, too right. And then I would still look at the kid out. I think he's Ohio State Seth McLaughlin. And then you have Jared Wilson out of Georgia. Both tested extremely well, well within the Packer thresholds.
Speaker 3:Both were anchors for their offensive lines for prospective teams, and I think getting a rookie in there to compete with those two would be with those three, would be smart. Because Elton, like you said, he's the one dude. He's kind of like Zach Tom. He can play anywhere on the offensive line but he's a proven all-pro guard, right, multiple years. He also, you know, his natural position in college was center, but he's proven that he can basically do, he can play anywhere, and when you have a guy like that, who is that talented, you really don't want to take him away from his strong suit. But then again, though, he hasn't had enough snaps at center consistently to like I'm saying, like you know, game to game to game, to know or not know if he's in a better center, right. So I take a chance there. I see how it goes in training camp.
Speaker 3:I still give jacob month because his natural position when he was at duke was yes yep, yep duke right was center and you know he was the one that played right next to Graham Barton, and Graham Barton had a lot of great things to say about him. I mean, Graham Barton was a first-round pick and I think Monk was a fifth-round pick or fourth-round pick, right.
Speaker 2:Fifth, I was just trying to check here quick what year was he drafted, monk?
Speaker 3:Last year he was a rookie last year, yeah, last year. Last year, yeah, last year there, that's right, that's right. Uh, let's see here, he out of duke. He was in the fifth round, fifth round, yeah. So again, you know we've. You know, cory lindsley was also a fifth round pick out of ohio state.
Speaker 3:So I'm saying like you can get amazing offense alignment, especially interior offense alignment, in the later rounds. Uh, packers have done really well with that and I think, like right now we have enough pieces there to compete with guys that are already on the team. And I would still add somebody from the draft. I just don't think like I think every year you should be taking positions, like you should be taking offense alignment, you should be taking defense alignment, wide receiver, like I feel like those are even running back.
Speaker 3:You know the kid out of Virginia Tech, like if he Bushell, if he comes, if he's still doing a 6th, 7th run, I grab him. I know Marshawn Lilley is the guy being the breakaway dude. I still like Emmanuel Wilson Sr. I think he's amazing, I think he's for an undrafted free agent. He has a lot of talent, he has a lot of juice. But back to offensive line. I think the most important thing is keeping you know joy and love upright and I think that interior or I'll beg to differ with you when it comes to josh myers being a good center, I'd say he would be. He was an average center, right yeah, he was solid.
Speaker 2:He was solid, he wasn't good.
Speaker 3:I'll say solid in quotations, because I think the problem I always have is you have creed humphrey, who got drafted right after him and he's an all-pro center right, and you're like, why didn't't Josh turn to that? And you know what? There's a lot of reasons why that didn't occur, but I'll give him his credit. Last year he was dealing with his father passing away as well, as he played through a partially torn pack the whole year, I think since week five. So you know what? You're right, he is a solid center. He's a good center. Why?
Speaker 3:Because he was a warrior out there, I mean he was out there playing when a lot of guys were probably saying the hell with him, I'm not going to go out there and play bad and make myself look bad. He knew that he was needed, so I respect that, but definitely think that in the draft there are players out there that we can grab to help kind of again infuse more talent on that line, because we need to do everything we can to keep Jordan upright, because the healthier he is, the better our team is.
Speaker 2:Yep, he's got to stay healthy. He's got to stay mobile, because if he's not mobile, that's half of them 100%.
Speaker 1:About half of a quarterback at that point, yes.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I mean, I agree, the attributes of Josh Meyer is not all there, but he was durable, he was there, he was always there and he gave you solid effort, right effort. It was like good mexican food that doesn't flow right through. Yeah, it was like that kind of it was that kind of effort from josh myers. So anyways, anyways off of the mexican food can't go wrong, you can't go wrong. Authentic mexican. You can go wrong with them. The off-brand stuff doesn't really hurt you.
Speaker 1:Authentic mexican food like there like there is, Get you going.
Speaker 2:That's not good. Taco Bell is not as bad, but when you get, that real stuff, it hits. I mean it's good, I could eat all day long but the problem is. The porta-potties at work are not that good they are absolutely not that good. So, anyways, off of that, off of the foul movements that are going on right now let's hope that Goody does not have another foul movement here in the first round.
Speaker 2:Does Gutekind's this first round right? Because this first round picks I mean last season Jordan Morgan the book is still unwritten, right. But we look at the rest of these first round picks 2018, j Alexander. 2019, rashawn Gary. Then you had Darnell Savage Eh, that's not working well, right. That was both in 2019 there. Jordan Love in 2020. Had Eric Stokes there in 2021. 2022, he doubled it with Quay Walker, devontae Wyatt Both them, we don't know.
Speaker 2:written yeah, I we're hoping that somebody is still going to pick the pen up and write that book, but I don't know if that pen's going to get picked up there. So I mean, we look at the first round picks and you want to talk about why people have problems believing in gutekens. That, yeah, because outside of maybe john alexander, where sean gary took a while to come on and yet he got injured. And now we don't know. Darnell savage is gone, right. Jordan love that's your. You got to exclude jordan love because that's your franchise quarterback. But outside of jordan love, eric stokes got hurt. Bust quay walker you're hoping he can find a way. Davante wyatt we're hoping. Right, I think he can be a guy, but he gets banged up all the time. And then lucas van ness ain't there yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, does this first round for goody have to hit like this 23rd pick? I think for me it has to. It has to, has to, has to. I think good against right now has got to be drafted. You know you don't want to say for his life, but at the same time you want to say his life because at some point here he's got to hit with the pick, because when you have the 23rd pick in the draft. You got to find something eventually. Yeah, and he hasn't found it yet, yeah, so I mean, in your opinion, does he got a hit in this first round?
Speaker 3:I think so. I think the jordan morgan pick is the one where you really didn't see what he was about, because he's banged up. Unfortunately he came in with a lot of injury history too, so I didn't wasn't a big fan of that, to be honest with you. Uh, and so I feel like his first round picks have been very much more missed than hit. And this is one of those times where you have mark murphy's. Last year he he's retiring, mandatory retirement come june, july.
Speaker 3:And then you got ed policy taking over, right, new president, um, I don't see him firing goody I'm not saying goody's in the hot seat by any means, but he needs to start making picks that we can see some, some kind of a contribution off the bat.
Speaker 3:I know that may not be realistic, I know that that's not how nfl and gms work all the time, whatever the case may be, but truth be told, you know we see with other teams and maybe that's not fair measuring stick, but guys that do get drafted in the first round tend to be more contributing faster than our first round picks have lately.
Speaker 3:You know, yeah, um, and you know I just feel like this is his time to really. He made a comment at the end of the season about urgency by both. Probably he just said that the team needs to show more urgency. Right, that could have been for the coaches, that could have been for the players, that could have been for him, who knows. But I feel like you know it gets to a point to when you're not, when you're missing more than you're hitting on your first-round picks as a GM, that does start becoming your like john snyder had that for a very long time, where he his first round picks are garbage but his later on picks got really good and then recently his first round picks have gotten better. Right, and so maybe this is the year that goody figures it out.
Speaker 2:I'm hoping so otherwise, I mean, you get to a point I I agree, and you know you look at some of the later round picks for goody there and they're good. I mean zach tom, he was drafted way back in the fourth round. I mean you have guys who were drafted late that have done well for the packers here, but it's those early picks and it comes to the point of why are you so hesitant to trade them away. Then, yeah, why, like why you were so the packers are so where we got this like a death grip on these picks we gotta, we gotta hold on to. We can't get rid of this pick, we can't get rid of that one. Why are you so hesitant in free agency? Why are you so hesitant to make trades when you go into a draft and your first round picks are just flops anyways? Why then? I would rather if I was, if I was me as a packer fan right now.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at it like this if our first round picks are going to continuously be flops, I want to see goodikens do something with the first round pick and train. Find me somebody else, find me a guy who's proven ready to go right now. I I don't understand why we waste time. Then it's I I love, I, I like. I'm saying I I love the fact that he's given the effort right and he he finds guys that he likes and you guys that he thinks are going to fit the culture and the system. I like that. I like culture and system guys. I love that. But at the same time you've got to find guys who are also good, proven. Yeah, then they're done. First round's proven, first round are proven guys.
Speaker 3:Fifth round, guys. That's fifth-round talent at this point.
Speaker 2:I mean Maybe, maybe just a fifth-round talent.
Speaker 3:I don't even know if he's a fifth-round talent. It's like AJ Hawk man. Aj Hawk was the fifth overall pick that year in the draft and he was a good player. He was not a fifth overall pick player, but he was. He's still our lean tackler, right. And on top of that too, he was he never missed any games. He was always. He was always there, he was always available.
Speaker 3:But you're right, the end of the day, like we were drafting somebody in the first round, it's kind of like we waited on drawing love and the weight was worth it, right, I know last year was banged up, but the truth was like he waited three years, four years. They came in and hit the ground running right. I feel like this is the year where, yeah, like I, I mean. I mean, if Goody trades out of that pick, I hope he can still stay in the first round. But I'm with you, man, a part of me is like there's only so much defending I can do, because sometimes you do wonder about that whole. Like I'm the smartest guy in the room, so I know all the answers, right, it's like what they say about Sean McVay 're like, oh, he's the smartest guy in the room, just ask him he's like you know right I mean, I'm not in that draft room right, like we don't really know anything that's going on.
Speaker 3:But sometimes, when you do see some of these picks, you're kind of like you know, like they're not the consensus picks, that, like you see Howie Roseman do, which I get, like you know he's kind of set the standard right now. But I feel like, as fans, we're seeing picks, we're like yo, why are you getting this guy? You can have this guy hindsight's 2020 and you know. But I'm with you, bro. Just part of me is like I need him to. I would love for him to get a guy that I want. That would be amazing. Quay was a guy I wanted, devontae white was not. And I have this thing where every guy that I didn't want did turn out to be really good, which happened with gary, until he got hurt, he was really good. Right, yeah, I wanted savage. He didn't turn out to be that great. Uh, he had some moments, so don't get me wrong. Uh, jordan love, I did not want and he turned out to be great. And then, um, yeah I wanted stokes.
Speaker 3:He was good until he got hurt, and so yeah this is like I feel like there's like there's something with that, I don't know. So, yeah, right now I'm just holding my breath and hoping that he grabs one of the guys that we want tomorrow.
Speaker 2:I really look forward to that I was going to say, even like a guy like Jordan Love, was a reach, because he's coming out of Utah State. Who is this guy?
Speaker 3:He throws a lot of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, his last year wasn't.
Speaker 2:It's like what are you doing? And in this draft, like you said earlier, you have a lot of guys. You have good talents. Now it's okay, the best guys available, yeah, when you have the positions kind of filled now it's who's the best guy on your board right now? Not a reach, I don't want to reach. I don't need a center in the first round. I don't need a guard in the first round. We have an offensive line. That's somewhat figured out. Go get me a receiver, go get me a defensive lineman. That's where you got to be looking at that first round. So that's kind of where we're kind of leaning. Right now. It sounds like you're in the wide receiver, I'm in the defensive line.
Speaker 2:Best guy available, that's what we want 100% and if you can find a move and you want to make some moves and maybe trade up in the draft, whatever it is, go get me TJ Watt, I'm all in for it. I'm all in for it there.
Speaker 4:So hey, we'll see Like you said tomorrow.
Speaker 2:I am excited, I can't wait the draft's in Green Bay. It's going to be exciting. We are ecstatic. So hey, auburn, it's been fantastic.
Speaker 3:We hope to get you back.
Speaker 2:We'll yeah we're going to talk about this, whatever we could be freaking out, we could be yelling, we could be screaming.
Speaker 3:Pants on, pants on who knows, yeah, who knows.
Speaker 2:I mean, maybe I went and got some bad Mexican food and now I'm sitting on the toilet.
Speaker 1:I have no idea what's going to be happening in that show here.
Speaker 2:That's all I know. That's all I know there. And hey, make sure you, ummer, he works with Coast to Coast Packers. I'm going to be going on there with him, so that's going to be exciting. So stay tuned for that. We'll have more exciting news there. So, ummer, it's been fantastic. We'll catch you back here next week. But, hey guys, on the backside of this break, top of the hour, kyle is going to be joining us. We're going to talk B Wisconsin Sports on the go with Trage. Welcome back into Wisconsin Sports on the go with Trage. I'm your host, trage.
Speaker 2:We're coming back here on this April 23rd. And, hey, this next segment here with Scary is brought to you by Sport and Spine Clinic of Greenwood, wisconsin. They're expert traditional physical therapy and structural integration programming there. Expert traditional physical therapy and structural integration programming. Call for flexible scheduling and evaluations. Just call 715-267-4583. That is 715-267-4583. See, chad. I would not trust anyone else with your physical therapy needs than Chad down there at Sport and Spine Clinic in Greenwood, wisconsin, there. So, hey, we went to the break. I told you Scary was coming on here. We had to talk Badgers tonight. Rajiv, he got tied up at work. I was like what am I going to do? Well, I got my boy, scary, over here. He's going to come out. We're going to talk about everything that had to do with that spring showcase and an important topic that Scary had a good video on, that I wanted to get to. So, Scary, how are we doing on this Wednesday?
Speaker 1:Good, I'm doing better when I that there's a Milwaukee Bucks guy they're going to talk to after this, so we don't have to deal with it. But yeah, yeah, happy to talk Badger football and take it away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, goodness we talked about, we were talking about the Bucks at the break. There you and me and I mean that was disturbing, that first two games disturbing, but like you made me feel better, they got two more games back at home. It's going to be okay.
Speaker 1:It's just all going to be okay. Bucs are going to run the Pacers out of the gym in game three. I'm telling you that right now.
Speaker 2:I am hoping so because I, just like we were talking, there's just so many guys to dislike on the Pacers. I mean between Halliburton and Nemhardt. There's so many guys to dislike there. It's unreal. But hey, you got a new podcast. Well, not a new podcast, you have a great podcast out there but a new pod that you just dropped over there About the Badgers in 2025.
Speaker 2:We kind of touched on this last week. But you said in this you're talking about in this show, and I don't want to give away everything you had to say in there because I want people to go check that out. You have a fantastic page over there on YouTube there Scary, scary alvarez. But you said which win would mean the most? Right, and you had alabama at alabama, the iowa game, ohio state at oregon, at minnesota, which win would mean the most? And I wanted you know just you don't have to give me the whole thing, because, goodness, I want people to check that out, because I found it very interesting listening to all your opinions on each different side there. But which one of those, in your opinion, would be that big win for this wisconsin badger team?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's a good question and again I want the caveat is is not that they're only going to win one and then they're going to lose the other four? So I think some people kind of misunderstood. I think if you win a game like ohio state, who will almost certainly be a top five, top 10 team coming into that game at at Camp Randall, it probably means that you're of a level and quality that you're going to win some other games like Minnesota. You know what I mean. So I kind of I took Ohio State. I'm going to give you a full disclosure there and you know the reason. It's a many-tiered reason. One of them is that that's going to be the best team we're going to play next season, so you're getting the most for your win.
Speaker 1:Haven't beat him 15 years and that was supposed to be kind of a rivalry to never turn into one. We had a couple of OT games when urban was there and but it just never turned into it. But the thing that kind of is the icing on top is that the whole fickle thing Okay, this is a Buckeye in his DNA, grows up as a wrestler, football player in Ohio, goes to his dream school, plays defensive line for Ohio state. All big 10 ends up coaching. There was an assistant coaches there as a head coach goes back to an assistant. So this is a. It sounds like I'm trying to be like sadistic or something, but like it's it would be. You'll hear this from anyone who leaves Like. If Jim Leonard left Wisconsin and went and coached somewhere else and they beat Wisconsin, I can tell you that's going to be his biggest win. That's going to be the one that's going to be the most satisfying to him. Beating Ohio State would be Luke Fickle's most satisfying possible win that he could ever have. Not that he couldn't have a higher level win, but as far as the teams he's playing next season, that would be a huge one and it would mean so much for the program, the morale, the recruiting, the vibes inside the locker room.
Speaker 1:So not shockingly I said Ohio State, I did say Minnesota was kind of in others receiving votes there only because it's a high floor, kind of like if you lose. If you lose that game it's, it's devastation. That's four to five years to pj for like you cannot lose the minnesota game. So the kind of like you know the, the gamblers, you know minimax, principles of games theory, is, you make sure the worst case scenario is avoided. And that would be a way to avoid the worst case scenario. But I'm going to shoot for the fence. Uh, you know, shoot for the through the moon here and say, well, how state that would be a program changing win for the badgers yes, no, I would agree, I would like.
Speaker 2:I mean even alabama oregon, like those three teams right there.
Speaker 2:That'd be program changing, I think yeah I think I'm sustaining, like for me, program sustaining I don't know if it sounds weird, but sustaining it. Iowa and Minnesota, like those, are two that I feel like you just you have to have one of two at least, if not both, because then I feel like the program is floating Right now. I feel like you know, after last season watching them play Iowa and get just completely ran out of the building watching them play Minnesota, and just it was disgusting, I just feel like the boat's sinking and I just want to see it come back and just kind of settle in, float it out, right. Because you know, when we had Paul Chris I'm not gonna say Paul Chris is better than Luke fickle, I don't want to get into that, you know discussion right now, or anything like that but when Paul Chris was there it was like, okay, you got nine wins, you go play Ohio state, get wrecked, and then you go to the big 10 championship game, you get wrecked there and then you end up in the Rose bowl, right, it was consistency of that.
Speaker 2:Now it's like where are we? Are we sinking, are we floating? I don't. I don't know where this program's at. So I guess that's kind of where I'm at. I just want a sustainable makes sense yeah, no, it's, it's.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's even more than sustainable. I think luke fickle and I will say he's had some headwinds that paul chris never had, yeah, first would have jumped off a cliff having to do with nil and the transfer portal. I'm telling you he did not have it in his dna. When it does, uh fickle has to deal with both of these things in the worst possible time for both of them in the history of college football, granted their recent events. But uh, nil at least is, but he people say I'm a, I'm a, you know a thick explainer, and they and they, I'm fluff and flick thick and all that. So I gotta be careful. I speak there, I'm not, I'm, I am. I duly critical of luke fickle and some of the mistakes he's made, starting with his offensive coordinator choice in 2023. But his headwinds, including the schedule, there was no schedule like this that Paul Chris sniffed. There was not a schedule in any of the years that Paul Chris nor Brett Bielema were coaching Wisconsin where you had this kind of schedule that Fickle has in 2025. Nothing close, in fact, people kind of the sands of time and I, like Bielema, I've come around. He did a really good job at Wisconsin in a lot of ways. He benefited from a tremendous number of things schedule-wise, like probation for Penn State and Ohio State, where it slides you into a Rose Bowl you otherwise wouldn't have been in. There were all kinds of things that he was able to benefit from, and people forget about Greg Bielema coaching. With this schedule that Wisconsin has this year, that wasn't going to go in the Rose Bowl. I'm telling you that Maybe 2010. I mean, that 2010 team was pretty special, but they kind of squeaked in there, even with Watt and some of those other guys, and so I have a little bit of grace for Fickle.
Speaker 1:And getting back to your point, yeah, they have to. They have to win at a minimum. Let's forget about Ohio State for a minute and Oregon for a minute and Bama for a minute. Iowa, illinois, minnesota those are their three sort of like regular real world games that they have to pay attention to. You got to win two of those three. You don't win two of those three, I'm telling you the season will have been a disaster, because if you can't win two of those three, you weren't going to be beating Oregon and Eugene, you weren't going to be beating Bama and Tuscaloosa. You were not going to be sniffing Ohio, you might be sniffing Ohio State. I mean, there are jocks when they're sitting on your head in that game. Wow, that got weird. It's you know. It's where we go. It's late, it's late.
Speaker 4:If I slept Not that I'd be asleep.
Speaker 1:But to get to your point, greg, you know there's a lot of ways this can go and I just want a left tackle who can protect the quarterback to give us a chance, and let's see what happens. But there's some things I'm seeing and smelling in camp that I like. There's some things about this team that I feel better about than last year's. I can say that yeah.
Speaker 2:So my question would be okay, you, we know that illinois, minnesota and iowa, those are defining wins. Let's just hypothetical. Terrible world, right, terrible world. We have a season, like last year, where you lose to minnesota. It's disgusting. Iowa blows you out. You lose to illinois. Maybe you play close with Oregon, but they beat you again. Are you at the point where Luke Fickle is now on a hot seat? I just feel like at some point I know it's hard to turn over a program and what he had to work with and everything like that but at some point it just feels like that excuse has got to go away, because now this is Luke Fickle's team, these are Luke Fickle's guys. We have to get off the. This is Paul Crisfault. We have to get on the. Now Luke Fickle has to coach his team and get a win. Now he has to beat one of these teams and prove that he belongs with the big dogs in the Big Ten. I mean, where are you at right now with that kind of statement?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that kind of statement, yeah, it's, you know, all things equal. I mean there there was a season he could have that maybe for other coaches and other third year situations might not be good enough to have them continue. I'm telling you, with his contract right now, that makes things significantly more difficult to buy him out. Um, unless you think he's going to get another big-time job that's going to pay a lot of money. That's going to offset that money, I don't know. But that all said, I'm not in the fire fit camp. I think he has to be.
Speaker 1:The team has to have a different feel this season than it had last season. So I'm very much of the opinion. If this team goes four and eight but they play hard and they look good and you see young guys you know, like the edge rusher from Gainesville coming in and showing some stuff and Agard's playing, and you have these guys that thick recruited making strides, like Kevin Haywood certainly would have you start to see the vision. So I'm a little bit I think I'm probably in the minority here with Wisconsin fans, but I don't think there's a win number they need to reach if they look the right way. Now look if you win one or two or three games. You didn't look the right way. There's no way you can win two or three games and have been competitive in enough games where you're showing enough, where I'd feel good about it.
Speaker 1:But what I'm saying is they went four games and they're dropping a touchdown game to Oregon and dropping a touchdown game to Ohio State and losing late at Bama and things like that, and you're taking care of your rivals. I think it could still be kind of, in quotes, a successful season, but I fully expect Luke Fickle to be back in 2026. He'll be back with, in my opinion, a significantly more talented, more system-sound team in his system, having Grimes coming back for his second year with a significantly easier schedule. I mean, I'm sorry, it's not easy, but a 2026 schedule is reasonable.
Speaker 2:No, and I agree, and that's kind of where I'm at too. I would completely agree with you. This season it's hard to look wins and losses. It's got to look good in between. And I think the biggest thing for me is you got to make it look good for the recruits. You got to make it look good for transfers to say, hey, I want to go to Madison because they're building something. There's something there Right now.
Speaker 2:If I'm a recruit out there or a transfer and I'm looking at the badges, I'm like I don't know about that. I don't know if that's the place, the destination for me right now, because right now, like I said before, I don't know if they're floating, are they sinking, where are they at right now? Luke Fickle is kind of a good guy, whatever, but it just doesn't seem like the place for me. There's so many other programs out there. I might have better luck there. I just want, like you were talking, like I'm saying there, I just want this team to show that sustainability where recruits, transfers, whatever it is. They look at this team and they say, hey, 2026 schedule is going to look a lot easier. I want to go there, I want to play in some big-time games. I think a season like this too right that shows a lot of big-time games, that gets a lot of big time recruits.
Speaker 2:I mean is that?
Speaker 1:is that right it does. And you also got to remember with some of these, these four-star kids I won't say five-star cause we don't get them, but like there is. I don't want to say they don't want the team to be successful their senior year in high school. But part of the vision you're selling is hey, maybe you can get some early playing time. You're probably not going to get to Ohio State, you just aren't. Yes, if you're an all-worldwide receiver, you're going to play your freshman year. I get all that. You can sell that. But I will say, if they don't look good, let's say you got a bunch of big-time recruits at that Ohio State game in Madison I believe it's in October for this big game and you go and lay an egg and you lose by 30, it's going to be hard to sell the vision to those kids.
Speaker 1:It wasn't hard to sell the vision against Oregon last year. We had a bunch of kids at that game and they felt something. They felt you were going to be the number one team in the country, the number one seed in the playoff. They almost did it and they probably should have. If you would have ran the damn ball you probably would have If Jeff Grimes would have been the offensive coordinator in that game, they would have won the game, yeah. So I feel pretty confident.
Speaker 1:I know we're kind of getting down to time here. I see that I'm on the clock here. We've got another great guest about to come on. But hey, troy, thanks for having me. Man, I really appreciate it. And keep the faith. We'll see what happens. I would like them to land at least a serviceable rotation left tackle in the portal. They just got outbid by Cincinnati and some millionaire there for the top left tackle a couple days ago, which was not fun to see. But we'll be okay. There's going to be plenty of time to worry about this team in the fall. Don't worry about it now. That's my advice. Worry about the Bucs.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know if I want to worry about the bucks I don't know if I can stomach the bucks.
Speaker 2:That's why talking badges right now is better than the box I want to I'd rather worry about what could go wrong with the badge than what is going wrong with the box right now. So, hey, scary love having you on tonight. Next week I mean maybe next week we'll have you back. We'll see what happens with your schedule, with ours here, we'll see what happens. Maybe we'll get you, we'll talk spring showcase and everything like that. But, as always, great to have you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, sounds good. Yeah, hey, great to have you. Have a good night.
Speaker 2:You too. Thank you very much for coming on. Hey guys, we'll be back here at the top next. We're going to hit a break. We're going to come back. We got Kyle coming left. We'll see what Giannis and Dame can do. Dame was rusty. We'll see what happens. So, hey, we'll be back here right after this quick commercial break.
Speaker 2:Welcome back into Wisconsin Sports on the go with Trades. I'm your host, trades. We're coming back after that great last segment there with Scary Alvarez. If you missed it, make sure you check it out on the podcast platform. So if you missed any part of the show tonight here, we had um around earlier talking packers. We have. You know scary was on. We got kyle coming on now you can listen to kyle again later. Of course, you can itunes, spotify, youtube wherever you get podcasts you can find us there. You can also find us facebook, twitter, tiktok, youtube and twitch. Just find us twitter, twitch and tiktok. Search wisco sports on the go. If you want to find us on facebook and youtube, search wisco sports on the go. If you want to find us on Facebook and YouTube, search Wisco Sports on the go with Trage. That's Wisco Sports on the go with Trage out there. Follow, subscribe, like us. That makes us feel great inside. So, hey, kyle, how we doing. It's Wednesday. We're back here, bucks, are it sucks, everything sucks. But how are you doing tonight here?
Speaker 4:I mean I'm doing well. I mean, you know, the playoffs have been interesting. I would say Some series have been probably more entertaining than others, but I think on a whole, not a bad start to the postseason for the NBA.
Speaker 2:And the Celtics are winning, so Kyle's fine. I mean, yes, they're doing just fine, so Kyle's fine If they were in 0-2 hole.
Speaker 2:Kyle would be freaking out right now, right, kyle would be freaking out right now. Right, kyle would be freaking out. So, hey, this next segment I got with kyle here. It's brought to you by marshfield motor speedway, the half mile paved track just three miles west of marshfield on county road h. Find upcoming events and races at marshfieldspeedwaycom, that is, marshfield speedwaycom, there. So, kyle, before we get going, you are my honorary guest all the time for the Melo Yell Minute. So if you got your favorite beverage sitting next to you, I always got my Melo Yell. You got to crack that baby right now. You got to get it ready to go and we got our question of the day. Kyle, you came up with the question. I had to break. I said Kyle, what do you think? What do you want to guess about Trach? We're going to top three favorite sports movies. So, kyle, take it away. What is one of Trage's top three sports movies?
Speaker 4:So I feel like there's probably a baseball movie in your top three, but now it's like, where do I go with this? So I'm just going to say, let's go. Let's go Bull Durham.
Speaker 2:Bull Durham. That's a good movie. That is a good movie. It does not make top three. Okay, okay, it is Okay. I'll give you one of them. It is a baseball movie.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 2:It's one of a Brewer legend is in the baseball movie okay, super religion um just a bit outside oh yeah, of course, the.
Speaker 4:Why wouldn't I guess that first, yeah, major league, because that's major league is everybody's favorite.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, yes sir, major league I am, but I do like the second one too, because that a mission hero, tanaka. He is hilarious and I love him, so that is on the list. That is number two on that list there what do we? Got, you got one more. Okay, the next one, it'll be a football movie. It is.
Speaker 4:I was thinking it had to be a football movie um and it is similar to this time of year.
Speaker 2:This time of year the movie is subject to this time of year oh okay, so with that I'm assuming.
Speaker 4:Oh wait, yeah, because for some reason I was like draft day and I was like draft day is baseball, no, draft day is football, so I'm going draft day.
Speaker 2:Draft day People hate on that movie. I absolutely love that movie. There is nothing like watching Kevin Costner trade away the Browns' future and then somehow getting it all back and getting David mother effing Putney. That's what he says in the movie there. It's just somehow getting them back there. It is just wild, it is just absolutely wild. So, yes, draft day is in there.
Speaker 4:All right. So the third one. Something tells me it might be another football movie.
Speaker 2:We got one guess here, kyle, we got one guess.
Speaker 4:So I'm going to go. We got one guess here, kyle, we got one guess, so I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go classic with with this one, I'm gonna say rudy rudy is fantastic, but it's remember the titans. See, that was the other one in my head too, oh, because I love remember the titans and a great film that is a great movie right there.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I mean that was pretty darn good, that was pretty darn good. I mean didn't really even give you a list. That's pretty darn good right there. But hey, what's not going good, kyle, is this Bucs team? This Bucs team is not going good right now and we can also, I mean so, game one, no Dame. No Dame, kuzma gives you zero points.
Speaker 2:I mean, torian Prince is just, is it just me? And this time I'm going to ask a serious question off the top Kyle Kuzma and Torian Prince, for me I don't know what it is, but why don't the Bucs? Why doesn't Doc Rivers look into his bag and say, maybe we should switch the rotation up, maybe I should go and find a different rotation, a different starting lineup that's going to work a little bit better. Because kyle kuzma, it's not that he's not getting shots, kyle, because that's what doc tells me, that's his capo, right? He tells oh well, he's, you know, not getting enough shots. Bull crap, bull crap. He just is. Nobody is scared of kyle kuzma. Nobody is scared of kyle kuzma right now. So I mean, why? Why is Doc not willing to look for rotational changes?
Speaker 4:I mean, look, if you remember, when we talked before the series started, I said a key was going to be Doc and his stubbornness at times, especially in the playoffs. At times, especially in the playoffs, he loves to rely on veterans. He'd much rather go the veteran route than necessarily young and inexperienced, and I think that's where he's going to run into problems with this Indy team. Because, due to that and the fact that the Bucs are a little older than the Pacers are, you can't waste minutes necessarily with Prince and Kuzma, because I also said, with a guy like Prince, if he has it going, then you give him a little more, like five minutes more. If he's not giving you anything, you got to cut the cord. Now. He only played 19 minutes tonight but he only gave you six points. He didn't give you any rebounds, gave you like four assists. That doesn't really scream 19 minutes worth from a guy who's been in the league for a while now. Kuzma, on the other hand, I feel like here's the problem If Kuzma is your fourth or fifth option, or even like your sixth man off the bench, you're probably in better shape With this Bucks team without Dame. He's supposed to be your number two. That's not who Kuzma is. Dame comes back. Kuzma's now supposed to be your third option. I don't think he's that either. Like perfect world you got Giannis, you have Dame. I mean Portis had 28 tonight. Can Portis keep that up over the rest of the series? Though I don't know If he does. Portis now becomes kind of your third, even though he's like the sixth man, which is a little weird.
Speaker 4:But look, you're at the point. You're down 2-0. You're going home Glass half full. All the Pacers did was take care of business at home and win their two games. So now all the Bucs have to do is win games three and four. Then you basically reset the series as the best two out of three. The worry if you're a Bucs fan Dame is rusty. He could still be rusty game three and Doc is just going to stick to his guns and he's going to go down blazing with what he's comfortable with. And that's kind of infuriating because Kuzma's been a disappointment. Prince has been a disappointment. I mean we talked about Porter Jr is supposed to be a difference maker. He only plays 15 minutes. Should maybe he get some more minutes and Prince can? I would love to see Doc make adjustments. Unfortunately it's just not the type of coach he is.
Speaker 2:Ryan Rowland starts game one and then, doesn't play in game. Two how do you go from starter to last on the depth chart within a game?
Speaker 4:tell me that one because the doc it's like dame came back. Hey, young guy, keep that war, keep the warm-up on, don't need you anymore. I just would rather go small ball at that point.
Speaker 2:I'd rather go small ball lineup and just try to go with it. You know, put porter would rather go small ball at that point. I'd rather go small ball lineup and just try to go with it. You know, put porter and dame out there at the same time. Try to find some scoring. Try to find something, because, like you mentioned there, I mean prince is doing nothing for you two games now.
Speaker 2:I, you people like, oh well, you know he does this and no, I don't care, I I don't. You know two turnovers in this one, two big turnovers, costly turnovers. He had a late turnover in the first half. That's a problem. You got turnovers galore for this team here. I mean porter had three, so that doesn't help his case out at all there, but I mean you had 15 turnovers. If he's the bucks in total there, you can't do that against a team like the pacers right now.
Speaker 2:My biggest thing with the pacers, I just I dislike the pacers. I I don't know what it is, I just hate the pacers. I just drives me nuts. Man, halliburton, I'm supposed to like Halliburton because he's a Wisconsin guy. I don't like Halliburton. I don't like Halliburton, he just drives me nuts. So that makes this series even worse is that they're losing it to the Pacers again. It just drives me absolutely nuts because this Pacers team I don't know if it's just me, kyle, but I look at the Bucs and I'm like you should be able to compete with this team, like you should.
Speaker 2:I look at this Pacers team. I'm like it's at times. I honestly, you know, I was listening to the announcers the other day I think it was the beginning of game one there and they are just plowing into the Bucs Boom, plowing into them, plowing into them, and they're likeers play, they play dirty I. Just what drives me nuts is Halliburton. He only talks, and it's the truth. He only talks when they're winning basketball games and he drives me absolutely bonkers when he does it there. So I mean, yeah, that's enough my rant for the night there. I just I so sick of watching. It's just disgusting at this point here. But yeahucs want to do anything. Doc Rivers has got to adjust himself. It's not about players adjusting right now, it is about Doc adjusting. If Damian Lillard is rusty, what good is he on the basketball floor? What good is he on the floor For 37 minutes? I love Dame. I want to see Dame do me something, but if he's rusty, put somebody else in there the.
Speaker 2:Bucs want eight straight without Dame. Exactly. Why do you all of a sudden think, oh well, we need him? Yeah, we do, but we need a lot of things. We need Kyle Kuzma to do something, we need Torian Prince to do something, and if they're not going to do something, why does AJ Green go from being?
Speaker 2:this lights out three-point shooter to now he can only see the floor for 12 minutes. Where did Andre Jackson Jr go? We just forgot about him Just gone. He was a starter at one point with Dame. Now it's like, oh, andre Jackson Jr is just an afterthought because, oh well, he's not as good offensively. I would rather take Andre Jackson Jr defensively than what Torian Prince is doing for me at all.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and when you look at this Pacers team, a lot of times where the Bucs get in trouble, I mean, look, they started the game tonight with like they started out in zone and it was like the worst zone I'd seen, because all indy did was like dribble, drive, kick out wide open, shot, and then it's like when they try to play man, the paces are seeking out like the the slowest defender on the floor for the bucks and they're attacking. The amount of times I saw the pacers skip a pass to the other side of the floor. Defense is trying to track back, but they get out of position and the guy beats them off the dribble and they get into the lane. It just becomes too easy for Indiana, and I agree with you With Indiana.
Speaker 4:Indiana is a team that you want to make them uncomfortable, because then you'll see the true Pacers team, because they're having fun now because they're up 2-0. If this was the other way around, the Pacers become the whiniest like cheap shot-ish type of team because they like to front run. So the thing saving, doc, is if you win game three, you can at least peel back some of that love that the Pacers have for themselves. And then if you take game four, now you're really dealing with momentum on your side and, trust me, game five would be much different against this Pacers team. Now, if the Pacers win game three, you might start talking sweet, because the Pacers will be very confident in themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, if they win game three. I just got that bad feeling. It's night-night, like see you later. That's about it. Wrap the season up boys, maybe fire Doc on the way out the door. That's kind of where it's at right now. If they get swept, yeah, doc's got to go.
Speaker 4:And I think a more innovative coach would do like you said. The Pacers aren't some like extra big team, like Myles Turner is a center who wants to play like a small forward, like he can rebound a little bit, but I don't think this is a good series for brooke lopez. So why is he getting 16 minutes when all that's going to happen is turn, is going to run him like ragged on when he's on defense and then offensively he's not going to put too much pressure on the Pacers. So I would love to see minutes with Giannis at the five. You bring in Portis, you go Porter Lillard and the fifth spot you kind of rotate that amongst whoever has it that night. I think you can get away with that against this Pacers team. Will Doc try it? I don't know. He may wait until like it's 3-0 and they need game four and he'll experiment with it. By that point it's a little too late.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, like you were talking there, poco Lopez, I mean you can't get him by Miles Turner, so why don't you put Bobby Portis out there? Why don't you put Bobby Portis out there? Why don't you let that ride? You can let Jericho Sims go out there. He's not going to be much of a scorer for you, but he's going to be more of a defensive presence. I guess you could say I mean, you'd be better off honestly, throwing Brooke Lopez on a guy like Andrew Nembhard and just have him stand a little ways back and, hey, shoot the three. He's shooting like 29% on the season from downtown and if he hits, he hits. If he doesn't, if he gets hot, then you pull him off him. But yeah, brooke Lopez in this series is just kind of a non-factor. If Doc doesn't adjust, that's going to be a quick four and out and just done. This series will be done.
Speaker 2:That's just, I mean, the cold hard truth for this Bucs team right now. And, like you said, I mean it's not like this Pacers team is full of a bunch of juggernauts, like this isn't like we're playing the celtics right now. This isn't like we're playing the calves right now, or even the knicks. We're playing the pacers. This isn't that I mean. They they're good, they're not great. This isn't like it's. It's not a mountain that you have to climb here, it's just the bucks cannot put it together. Because I, like you said, like I'm saying and like a lot of bucks, fans are starting to come to the realization of, right now, doc rivers is not it. He just does not fit the bill. Andre jackson jr played zero minutes in this entire game against the pacers zero minutes. You are a team that struggles defensively and your best defender and andre jackson jr did not touch the floor. And in game one he touched the floor for one minute.
Speaker 4:Yep yeah, like you gotta give the pacers something else to think about. Yeah, the paces are too comfortable playing this rotation, this set rotation right now.
Speaker 2:Too comfortable yeah, make it a dog fight. That's what you want. Make this thing a dog fight with andre jackson jr playing defense, jericho sims playing defense. Give them something. But right now you, you can't. The bucks cannot go toe-to-toe offensively with anybody. They can't go florida.
Speaker 2:I was watching. I, because I didn't have the game on. I was on the espn app and I was watching. You know it gives you the, the play-by-play or whatever the game cast, and I'm watching. It's like boom, boom, boom, back and forth, back and forth. I'm like the bucks can't keep up in a game like this, not with Dame being rusty, because you're asking for guys just to fire up threes at that point and the Bucs cannot keep up with that. So when I look at that, I'm like you've got to do something. Like you're saying do something else, bring in some defenders, slow the game down, try to win a dogfight. Right now you're going back to Milwaukee. Don't make it the Pacers kind of game. The Pacers want to run. They want you to turn the basketball over. They want you to do those stupid things. That's what you're doing. You're playing into their hands Exactly, we'll see.
Speaker 2:I mean, we'll see. This could get ugly Game three, could be ugly Game three, I believe. When is game three that comes up on the 20. Oh, goodness gracious, what is that? Do they play Thursday now?
Speaker 4:They might play like.
Speaker 2:Friday 25th, friday Friday. So they'll play Friday and then Sunday. They'll have Friday and then Sunday and then game five if necessary. So that will be all the way on the 29th, so next Tuesday there. So I mean, maybe, kyle, we're talking Bucs. Well, we're going to talk Bucs next time. Kyle's on. We got to wrap it up here. We're way over, we're way past right Top of the hour here. But I mean we're going to talk Bucs next time. It's just, are we talking about a continuation of the series? Are we talking about this next time? There, kyle, I mean one last thing before you get out of here. Looking at these series right now, which one, let me ask you last time, which one intrigued you the most? Which one, now that they've started, is intriguing you the most? What's one that you really like? Man, this series is fun to watch.
Speaker 4:I mean it's still kind of Nuggets, Clippers and Pistons Knicks.
Speaker 2:Look, I'm more confident the Pistons get it done after what I saw in Game 2. I like that. I like that. And yeah, they were giving Cat fits. They were giving Jalen Brunson fits out there. What did you think? Anthony Edwards yelling into the crowd? He said some choice words into the crowd there. I'm not going to say them here on the radio, but you guys can go look them up if you want. What did you think about that? I see that and I'm like this needs to stop. You guys got to be professionals. I think there's a line and you got to be professionals, right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, look, ant is still young, he's still got some immaturity in him, and that's where you see it when he does stuff like that. Yeah 100%.
Speaker 2:I mean, like I said, you guys want to see what he said. You can look it up and figure that one out for yourself there. But I would agree Knicks and Pistons, that was a great game too that we saw there. I want to see the Warriors. I want to see the Warriors for some reason beat the Rockets. I have always, like ever since it's just been Steph against the world in Golden State, I've just wanted to see the Warriors do something every single year because it's just fun, like Steph. Watching Steph play is just fun there, and watching him in Game 1 there against the Rockets. That was fun basketball. Jimmy Buckets is playing well for him too. So we'll see how that series kind of shakes out there between the Warriors and the Rockets. Put some good stuff there, nba wise here.
Speaker 2:So, hey, kyle, thank you as always for coming on. We'll have Kyle back next week. We're going to have a little bit more time to talk, hopefully more Bucs basketball, like season continuing, not wrapping up the season. We'll talk more NBA next time. And then, hey, we're going to have Kyle on next time. We're gonna talk mlb too. I want to get wide spectrum mlb, so we'll have kyle on for that too. So, kyle, thanks for coming on. As always, we'll be back here at the after this commercial break we'll come back, we're gonna talk brewers. We got a little bit more brewer talk and then we're gonna wrap it up for the day. So make sure you're coming back here on wisconsin sports on the go with trage.
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Speaker 2:I want to talk Brewers here. We talked Bucs in the last little segment there. I want to talk Brewers now because I'm looking at this Brewer team right now. It's been, yeah well, you know, as of late, right, brewers been playing well and I want to talk about some of the tidbits that have been coming out of a lot of Brewer fans. Mouths right, because Brewer fans, I love Brewer fans and they also drive me nuts at the same time because we are very, some optimistic and some very I don't know what the word would be Very upset. We're very upset people. We are very standards, not very high, and some have high standards and have never been met. I don't know what those high high standards are, what their expectations are, uh.
Speaker 2:But I wanted to mention logan henderson, the, the rookie, fantastic first outing there the other day. Uh, that six innings, three hits, one earned run, nine strikeouts. He was fantastic. He did get sent back down to the minors. They want to keep him as a starter. So the big thing was, with tobias myers coming back, they had to find a roster spot, you know, for him out there and logan anderson had just pitched they also. The thing with it is you don't want to move into the bullpen, because then his usage changes up, you know, because you want to have him as a backup starter, just in case. So you send him back down, triple a, keep him going as a, keep giving them the extended innings, everything like that, and then if you need them again, you know, hopefully no injuries, right, knock on wood. But if there is, then you're able to bring them back up. So we see him going down there. Last night Also, jacob Mizorowski had a fantastic outing down there in Nashville six innings, one hit, eight strikeouts and one walk. So, jacob Mizorowski, down there in the minors too, there's a lot of fantastic stuff going down in the AAA portion there. Tobias Myers I just mentioned it there he is slated to start Thursday for the Brewers there against San Francisco. So the depth is starting to return for this Brewers pitching staff and I'm excited. I'm excited right, because you look at the potential of this rotation, when everybody comes back, like everybody's coming back, when they're all back. Right, the potential rotation Freddy Peralta, tobias Myers, chad Patrick, jose Quintana and Brandon Woodruff Nice, nice, everybody. And if you tell me that you weren't one of these people, I would be very surprised.
Speaker 2:Everybody was at the point this spring when they said, right at the start of the season, why did we go out and get more starting pitching? Why did we go get more starting pitching? Why did we do this? Why did Matt Arnold go out and grab these guys? And it's just like, okay, I get it. We had no starters left. We had Elvin Rodriguez start for a while. We didn't know and grab these guys and it's just like, okay, I get it. We have no starters left. We're kind of diving into the. We had Elvin Rodriguez start for a while there. We didn't know what the heck was happening. But now you look at it and you're like, okay, maybe that's why they looked at the injuries they had and said, well, tobias will be back pretty soon. We have Jose Quintana's ramping up. Brandon Woodruff is more of a miraculous thing. But you had Cortez. You didn't think he was going to hurt. You're kind of in that boat where it's like we got guys. It's just can we survive until those guys are back?
Speaker 2:Because if we added another guy to this fold, look at what we had to do with Henderson. We had to send him down to the minors just because we didn't have a spot for him. Henderson was fantastic in his debut Nine strikeouts. The number one in most strikeouts in a rookie debut was Freddie Peralta with 13 against the Rockies there. Remember that that was a great game.
Speaker 2:Now we look back and it's like, okay, logan Henderson was right up there, but he gets designated Not designated, but he gets optioned right away. Why? Because they just didn't have the room at the big league level for him, because they got guys returning. What would you have done if you would have brought in all these guys? Right, because I love Tobias Myers. Tobias Myers is fantastic If he pitches like he did last year, if he can get back to that form, what we saw last season there. Who were you going to replace him with? Chad Patrick has been fantastic. Jose Quintana fantastic. Brandon Woodruff you're going to not bring back Woody.
Speaker 2:It's one of those things where it's like I get it, I get everything. All the complaining and everything like that. I understand it, but at the same time you had the depth. It's just a matter of getting the depth healthy, and the depth is getting healthy and once it does, you just had to survive until then. Now it's healthy and now it's like let's go, let's go. This is like free agency trade deadline. Put it all together. This was what you were hoping for was around this time. You were going to get these guys back and you still have guys coming back. Right, aaron savalli still got to come back.
Speaker 2:Cortez is on the 60 dial now. I have no idea that was wild, because the report that I saw was cortez wasn't that bad like he was, still, he wasn't hurt like he wasn't. He was hurt, but he wasn't hurt, hurt, right, and it wasn't that bad and the the screening didn't show much. And then all of a sudden it's oh, now he's on the 60 dial. What happened, right, what happened from now to then? I was expecting Cortez back at some point. But either way, now he's on the 60-day IL. So Cortez is out for a little bit, but you're going to get Savali back.
Speaker 2:You have a lot of weapons now, a lot of arms, if you can keep him healthy. You've got a lot of arms. Henderson, you have mizorowski. I just mentioned there before you still mizorowski down there and at some point. I know we're talking pictures right now, but dad's cameron's gonna come back up. I saw it. I keep seeing him across. Uh, the minor league, dad's cameron, the son of mike cameron. He came over in that trade for grant wolfram from the orioles. He's homered in three straight games. I just saw the other night there. He's been fantastic. I mean I don't know if it's going to translate to big league level, but you got another outfielder down there.
Speaker 2:But back to the pitchers, right, oh right, mine's all over the place. Back to the pitchers. I, I'm excited. I'm excited to see what's going to happen with this Brewers roster Once these guys come back, once Woodruff comes back, once you have a full rotation, like I just said there, of Freddie Myers, patrick, quintana and Woody. That is a good rotation. I don't care whatever way you want to set it up. Freddie's been great. So you want to set up Freddie Myers, quintana, woody I don't know who you're going to go with. If you win three-game series, if all those guys come back and they're pitching as we believe they can, who do you go with? I don't even know. I don't even know. I'm not even going to get to speculation at this point here, but I love where this Brewers team's at right now. So that's been great. That's been great stuff there.
Speaker 2:I did see another thing Does Jackson Churio need to take more walks? Because the way that it sits right now, Jackson Churio. I mean I love the guy. Jackson Churio is a talent, he's a definite talent, but he I don't, has he walked at all? I don't believe he's walked at all. Last time I had seen it, Jackson Shuriel, last time, two walks, two walks on the entire year. Last time I looked so you got two walks on the entire year. Does he need to walk more? I think it's going to come down to the fact of once these guys I mean he's been hitting well right, 260.
Speaker 2:Not great, but well, once these guys kind of start to figure him out and start to pitch around the zone because he's not prone to walking, I think that is going to become an issue. So it is an issue, right, I think it is an issue Because if he starts chasing a lot, he might be making contact. But is it good contact? Because if you're chasing around the zone sometimes it's not great contact and then you run into issues in that sense because you're just sending out little bloopers or whatever it is, little dribblers back to second base or back to the pitch or whatever it is. So I would say that the lack of walks I'm not nervous yet, but they could most definitely lead to problems down the road Because, like I said, once you start to figure them out I mean pitchers they're smart, right, big league pitching coaches are smart, they'll figure you out.
Speaker 2:They're smart, right, big league pitching coaches are smart, they'll figure you out. And then, once they do, it's the adjustment right. And if they start pitching him around the zone because he's prone to chasing instead of drawing walks, well that's a problem. So that's where I'm kind of at with the walk thing right now. Is it a problem? Right now I wouldn't say so. Could it be? Yes, because he does have 25 strikeouts on the year now he did have five in one game, so that definitely was not good way to start the year. Right, but still 20 strikeouts outside of that kid, not great. So the lack of walks to lead a lot more strikeouts, the, the on-base percentage, that 272 his eyes batting average is almost higher than his on-base percentage, not generally something that is that close in numbers. But that's where he's at, so we'll see. I mean that maybe maybe he starts strong walks, maybe he starts becoming a little more confident up there taking pitches. Whatever he works counts like it's not, like he doesn't work counts he works, counts really well. It's just when he works counts. He's driving like poking balls out he's, he's following things off, you know, and he's very good at that. He's very good at working counts. It's just a matter of when he's working counts. Can he also lay off bad pitches, because it's when he's swinging at curveballs in the dirt or he's swinging at this and that that's when I have an issue. Okay, so that's kind of where I'm at right now with the jackson turio thing.
Speaker 2:Craig yoho I he made his debut there with the brewers. I thought that was. It was funny that his change-up dropped so much that the mlb at bad app did not know it was a change-up. It came in as a curveball. That's how they recorded I. I had to take a little screenshot of the screen there because I didn't believe I was like he't throw, like he's not throwing a curveball. His main pitch is a changeup. That is yep, he was throwing a changeup and they just it registered in as a curveball there, so that I thought that was quite humorous. He gave up a run. I mean it's whatever. It's his first outing. I'm not going to throw the book in on Craig Yoho. I think he's fantastic. I think he's got great stuff. So we'll see what he can kind of develop into for the Brewers there. I thought that was a great bring up for him.
Speaker 2:Yoel Pajams is kind of on the ropes right now.
Speaker 2:He's been taken out of the high leverage situations. He's kind of in the not really any leverage at all. Just maybe if they're kicking the butt out of somebody or, you know, if it's an ugly game they're getting their butt kicked. We see Yoel Pajams, but outside of that I just Yoel Pajams is kind of at the end of the rope right now and it's a question of do they kick them into the water? Because the thing with it is is when you send Yoel Pajams has to be designated for assignment. He can't go anywhere else, he doesn't have options. He has to be designated. So if you get rid of Yoel Pajams you have to designate him. A lot of Brewer fans that's okay For the Brewers. They still see something there and they see him as a guy who's tipping pitches right now.
Speaker 2:So if you can get rid of that, does that fix Yoel Pimes? I don't know. I would have thought they would have been able to figure this one out by now. They haven't Because his first outing the other night there he gave a home run. Now a couple nights ago I believe he came in for a third of an inning there and he got out of it on a fly ball. So good news there. Right, didn't give up anything in a third of an inning, but after that, I mean, we're kind of at the point where I don't know.
Speaker 2:I will see what the brewers do, what they want to do with that bullpen. I mean, I, if there's one thing that I believe the brewers know and what they can do well is develop and create and make good pitchers Like Grant Anderson's been fantastic for him. Grant Anderson, coming out of spring even you listen to Pat Murphy, he's like. This guy even surprised me. Grant Anderson 13 innings he's given up, I believe, five runs in total there on 12 hits, five walks, 15 strikeouts. He's been great for the Brewers, been great it's. You know those surprising guys that the Brewers are able to fix. Now it's a question of do the Brewers still believe that they can fix a guy like Joel Pions, or is it kind of, yeah, yeah, joel Pions is about at the end of the ropes.
Speaker 2:He's one of your most used bullpen arms. Looking at it, canings at 12 games. And then you look at Abner Reba he's one of your most used uh bullpen arms. Looking at it, canings at 12 games. And then you look at abner rebates pitching 10 games, and so is the old pion. So he's one of your most used relievers.
Speaker 2:I just don't think he should. I, I am. I'm at the end of what yellow pions could do. If you think you can fix them, maybe designate him for assignment, see if you can come back to triple a and see if you can fix them from there or right right now at the big league level. I just I don't see a benefit of having them up there. So I mean, we got a little bit more brewer talk. I want to talk a little Joey Ortiz. When I come back from the break here Joey Ortiz is in the news. He hasn't been hitting well. I want to talk a little Joey Ortiz, and then I want to wrap it up for the day here, right back here on Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trage.
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Speaker 2:So, hey, we went to the break. We were talking about the Brewers, talking about the pitching. What we've seen as of late here Terang, frelick, they're off to Torrid starting so far this year. I mean we see Terang and Frelick both still batting above .300 there. Hoskins is starting to come along nice and he's starting to feel it at the plate. He's starting to see the ball better, drive it to different parts of the ballpark there and the long ball has been there again for Reese Hoskins. So love to see that there's. Reese is starting to heat
Speaker 2:up. One guy who hasn't and sadly this was a guy that I was really hoping high hopes for heading into this season, joey Ortiz. Heading into this season, joey Ortiz, I said Joey Ortiz, this is a guy where he's going to be taking over for Willie Adamas. You just wanted to see him show you something. 177 so far, not great right? Not great at all. Maybe, just maybe at some point, at some point he finds it, but as of right now, not yet. So I I did a little deep dive. I want, I looked around and I was searching articles and everything like that and I was like, okay, where can I? I'm looking around, I'm like what? I want to find out what's going on with joey ortiz? Because there has to be somebody who dove into the numbers. Well, somebody dove into numbers Last season when you looked at his strike zones, where he was prone to swing right, where he was looking to swing the inner half of the
Speaker 2:plate. Last season he wanted to make pitchers work the inner half. He didn't really swing, outer half, he wanted to make guys. He wouldn't really nibble out there. He let pitchers go outside all they wanted. He was going to swing if he had to, but he was looking for the inside part of the plate. He wanted the inside pitch, he wanted to pull it right and he had a great, fantastic tour. It started for the Burrows, ended up getting hurt and then he came back and he wasn't as good. But this season, when you look at his strike zone, it's all over the place Outer half, inner half. He's high, he's low, he's center, he's everywhere, he's swinging at everything and it's at a high clip is the bad part of it, because if you looked at it and you said, okay, it's not so high on that outer half, but he's still prone to the inner half, it won't be so bad, not so
Speaker 2:much. Now. I'm at the point now where I'm looking at this and I'm looking at the strike zones and in my opinion, it just doesn't look like Joey Ortiz knows what he's looking for, what does he want to do, where is he looking and what is he looking to drive Hitters. They love to find their spot, their pitches, right, those pitches that they. That's theirs, that's their spot, where they're looking all the time, and it's what he had figured out last year. He's always looking in her half. Right now, you look at sal frelich with for the brewers and he's looking in. He's looking in her half. He's looking to pull it, pull the hands in and drive it right, turn on it real fast. Portrayrand's looking all over the place. He's just going to slap the ball wherever it is. But Sal's been looking in her
Speaker 2:half. Joey Ortiz I just don't believe he has a clue where he's looking and that is a huge problem. So I mean, also there was. They also went off his swing speed and his swing speed is down 1.7 miles per hour from last year. It was 73 last year. Now he's only averaging about 71, 73 to 71. So the bat speed went down a little bit. Now it's not crazy, but it's still something to keep an eye on because with that bat speed going down, that has some things to do with reaching that inside part of the plate too. So yeah, I mean I'm kind of looking at this right now and saying to myself Dorotees is in a hole and looking at the numbers and what we're seeing right now. And looking at the numbers and what we're seeing right now, I don't is there a worry? Yes, yes, because I just mentally I don't think he's. He hasn't been able to figure out what he wants, what he's looking for, and that's a problem. That's a huge problem. So we'll see. We'll see if maybe, see if maybe hitting coaches can work with him there Then get him kind of figured out. But we'll wait and
Speaker 2:see. On that one there, caleb Durbin has been fantastic since coming up. Like I mentioned early on in the season, before this thing even started, I said arm strength was my only worry at third base. So far he's been fine. He's been fine over there at third. He's been playing well defensively. So far he's been fine. He's been fine over there at third. He's been playing well defensively. The Brewers as a whole have been playing well defensively. So you love to see that. My only worry right now is I was just mentioning the Joey Ortiz it's not as big of a concern if other guys continue to
Speaker 2:carry. If Reese Hoskins continues to figure it out and then Christian Yelich comes along and William Contreras comes along and you have guys like Sal and Bryce, terang and Jackson Turio hitting. You can kind of hide a guy like Joey Ortiz in a lineup. Problem is right now he sticks out like a sore thumb because the rest of them are struggling. Otherwise you got six, seven guys who are hitting are hitting semi-consistently, like we've seen with Sharia, with Terang, with Frelick, contreras, yelich and Hoskins. Maybe Mitchell starts getting it going. You've got that kind of consistency, I mean you can hide a guy like Ortiz. Do you want to know? But you want to. You also look at it like, okay if he struggles a little bit, it's not so bad If he hits two, two, 20, whatever. It's not so bad if you've got to sacrifice it for a good defensive shortstop for now, because it's for
Speaker 2:now. You've got prospects down there you're going to bring up, they're going to take a spot eventually. Right, I'm not in the boat of we need to throw Joey Ortiz off the plank yet. He's not walking the plank, he's okay yet. So we'll wait and see. I mean, we'll wait and see what happens with the Brewers there. But hey, I mean the Brewers. They got a couple good games going up here. They got San Francisco. They're going to wrap up this series with San Francisco here coming up tomorrow there with Tobias Myers on the mound. And then we got St Louis. They're going to be heading to St Louis there for the weekend before taking on the White Sox and then coming back home for the Cubs there in that next weekend. They got all the way until next weekend there. They're going to be on the
Speaker 2:road. I just wanted to get off this west coast, because I'm sick of watching these west coast games there. So with that I mean it was great show today. We had ummer on top of the show, we had kyle on talking bucks, we had scary on talking badgers. It was fantastic. If you missed any of the show, make sure you go back, check it out across all podcast platforms. Just search wisconsin sports. How to go with trade.
Speaker 2:So hey thank you all for tuning in tonight. I hope you guys enjoyed the rest of your night and week, but until we talk to you guys again next wednesday, see ya.