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The Summer of Sal: Brewers, Bucks, and Packers Draft Talk
this is wisconsin sports on the go with trade, your place for all things. Wisconsin sports, now your host. How we doing everybody and welcome in to wisconsin Sports on the go with Trage. I'm your host. Trage On this Wednesday, April 30th. Oh, my goodness gracious, it is April 30th. It is almost, I mean the month of May, I think right, May comes after April. It is just, days are a blur. I told you guys, newborn baby, everything like that. Days are a blur. It has just been madness. But hey, he's doing fantastic, so we're doing fantastic. That's all that matters. That is all that absolutely matters there.
Speaker 1:I hope everybody had a fantastic weekend and fantastic week up until this point here on this Wednesday. I'm doing great. I hope you guys are doing great, wherever you're at tonight. Maybe you're hunkered down at home, Maybe you're in the car driving home. Wherever you're driving, I hope you get there safe here tonight and make sure you are tuning in to the entire show. You got to drive around the block a few times. Drive around the block a few times. Listen to the entire show here on 92.3 WOSQ. So we got lots to get into tonight, Goodness, Lots to get into the Bucs.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, that was sad. That was sad to watch. That was absolutely sad to watch. I came five. Absolutely was depressing. Probably I'm not going to say it was probably it was. I don't know if it cracked my top five for most depressing Wisconsin sports losses of all time, but it's up there. It's definitely up there Like that was. That was downright Six point lead. Maybe you don't even win game six, but still To go out like that, that absolutely stunk. Wow, Just goodness. So Bucks lose. Packers draft. I love the draft. It was a great. Watching it awesome. Seeing it at Lambeau fantastic. I thought it was a great draft. We're going to talk about that today. Ummer's going to be on. We're going to talk draft. We're going to talk everything in between with Packers Day. It's going to be awesome. Kyle's going to come on later. We're going to talk Bucks. We're going to talk MLB with Kyle. We're going to talk MLB with Kyle. We're going to talk Brewers. We got a whole slug of things to talk about today.
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Speaker 1:I always start out every single week with what was grinding my gears coming off the weekend, what was grinding my gears, what was grinding Trajan's gears so I had a couple of them today. I don't know if I'm going to get to them all, so maybe I'll get to one next week. Here Watching, I was watching, watching the, and that's just one example. I know kyle's gonna be on later. He's gonna be like dude, come on now. Come on now. He's big celtics guy watching guys complain to the officials in nba games. You want to talk about steering people away from games. That's one big way. I'm watching the celtics play the and I cannot. I don't know if there was a minute in the game where Jason Tatum was not talking to an official Whole game yelling, screaming, and it's just. I just got to the point where I'm like I get it, they're playing aggressive, they're getting after you, you're sick of playing them, everything like that. I get that, but after a while, if I'm an official, I just tee them up. After a while, if I'm an official, I just team up. I'm like done, don go sit down. It. Just it drives me nuts, absolutely drives me nuts to watch that. Just I don't want to say it's like a. I don't want to say it's a cupcake league or anything like that.
Speaker 1:But there's a lot of crap calls already, dude, I mean every like. I don't know who needs to hear this, but traveling I watched the other night there, I think it was, was it? When miles turn, turner was in the lane and Gary Trent was guarding him. I can't remember, but he's like counting off and he's one, two, three, four, five. He gets all the way to five or six. No call. What happened to the three-second call? Is that a thing anymore? Is traveling a thing? Continuation is a thing.
Speaker 1:Now, right, you can move five steps after a foul, throw a shot up and get a foul call. These stupid three-point. I hate when guys bait calls at three-point line. They just lean into a guy and shoot it and they get a foul call out of it. It's just all ridiculous. I don't. If I'm an official, I'm like what do you guys want from me? I recall things that I don't believe in, because I grew up watching basketball. I don't know what this is, but it's not basketball, so I don't know, just drives me nuts, absolutely drives me nuts with the NBA there. So I mean, yeah, the NBA is fine, whatever, but like, wow, I just, I just just drives me nuts there. One more thing, and this is going to kind of lead into what we're going to talk about here today People who come out of the draft and all they say is that was a waste of a pick, that was a waste of a pick, that was a waste of a pick, and they just scream it at the mountaintops.
Speaker 1:They're posting all over Facebook and they're posting all that was a waste of a pick, that was a waste of a pick. That's all they got to say. That was a waste of a pick. They don't give you a reason. They just say that was a waste of a pick Because, oh, according to Mel Kiper it was a reach. Well, according to Mel Kiper, every pick ahead of Shador Sanders was a reach. So yeah, there's your hot topic guy. I just there's so many people out there who immediately that was a waste of a pick.
Speaker 1:Jordan Love, that was a waste of a pick. He's doing just fine. He's just fine. I can't handle those people. Sometimes I just want to reach through the computer and just shake them a little bit, just settle down.
Speaker 1:It's fine, it was a draft pick. We'll wait and see. Who knows right. It was all because of Belton there in that second round. He's a 6'6", 366-pound tackle. I think the Packers they're going to find a way to utilize that size. I think they'll find a way. So I mean we'll wait and see. We'll wait and see. Maybe all you people out there were saying that everybody's a waste of a pick. Maybe you'll be right. Maybe you'll be right and you can gloat about it, and then you can post a screenshot from five years ago and say I was right. Or somebody else can take a screenshot of it and post it five years later and say you were wrong One way or another, it's all going to come back to bite you. So, anyways, that's what's grinding my gears for the weekend People freaking out about the draft right after it happens, and also NBA players freaking out at officials Both those things grinding my gears for the weekend.
Speaker 1:Hey, we are off and running today here. We got Packer Talk coming up after the break. Here. We got a little bit of. I got WIA talk, just because I want to talk about that a little bit, but then we got Packer Talk here coming up after the break. And then we got Uber coming on, we got Kyle coming on later. We got Brewer Talk, we got Bucks, we got Packers. We got all kinds of things to talk about. So make sure you guys are back here right after this commercial break.
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Speaker 1:So we went off right up the top of the show. We're talking about what's grinding my gears coming up the weekend and I wanted to get into now. The wiaAA has now passed the NIL deal and I saw this over this last weekend. They voted for it and they approved the NIL deal for student athletes. I don't know how to feel right and I asked everybody out there. I was like, how do you guys feel Right? And the resounding amount of you people out there you great people said this is terrible. This is stupid. Why are we doing something like this? Why do they need something like this? And I agree I agree, I didn't agree with the nil in college.
Speaker 1:I I thought that they should get it for their name, image and likeness. They opened up a different can of worms with that. Now the nil is, it's a little bit different. So the approved language permits nil activities that are not associated or identified with their respective school, team, school conference or the WIA and are in accordance or with other prohibited NIL activities, included language attempting to deter undue influence to transfer schools. So you know you read into that how you want to read it. I'm not going to read into it that far, but basically stating that you can't really have this, it's not really affiliated with your school at all, you can get money is basically what it's saying, but it's not affiliated with school at all. I mean, we got to look at what Executive Director Stephanie Hauser said.
Speaker 1:With today's vote, member schools have opted to join in a growing list of states that allow students to athletes to capitalize on their athletic talents in a way that is similar to students with other valued talents and skills. At its core, the WI is charged with promoting fairness and sportsmanship while protecting the integrity of the game, something I believe the NIL language preserves. I don't know, I I've tried to wrap my head around how I feel about it. I and when. I'm all for student athletes capitalizing on their name, image, likeness right, I'm all for that. If somebody is going to utilize you to make money, why wouldn't you want to make money? Right, I'm all in for that.
Speaker 1:Where I'm going to draw a line is if kids start transferring high school to high school just for NIL opportunity and I know they're saying, well, it's not in schools and they're not. You know, you don't including language attempting to deter the influence to transfer schools. Oh, they're going to deter it. I think it's going to happen because you're going to look at a geographic map and you're going to say where are the most NIL opportunities available. Right, the La Crosse area, the Eau Claire area, wausau area Maybe you look over in, like the Oshkosh or the Madison or the Milwaukee areas, those are going to be your big areas. What does an area like Nealsville, wisconsin, offer anybody? I mean, it might, right, it might, but in all reality I think you're going to see a lot of guys moving around or a lot of girls moving around to try and capitalize on their name, image and likeness, which, according to WIA, is fine. Capitalize on their name, image and likeness, which, according to WIA, is fine.
Speaker 1:I just think that giving money to kids, it depends how you word it, right, but there's gotta be, there's gotta be. You know I, kids get silly, kids get silly with money. It just makes you nervous when you give them a stack of money and just say go run with it. Is it going to be a good thing? I don't think so. I don't think it's going to be a good thing. Is it going to be a bad thing? I don't know. Do I agree with it? No, but we'll wait and see. We'll wait and see. All I know is, right now, the WI has agreed on it. We got to wait to see how that all kind of works out and when the first person whoever kid a girl, boy, whatever gets their first NIL deal, then we'll know more about this and how it all works.
Speaker 1:Until then, I who knows right, is there any athlete in the state of Wisconsin that's realistically that darn good that they're going to get a massive deal? I don't think so. Zach Kinzer from the pier was pretty darn good. They had a guy from Oshkosh was pretty darn good. There's been some good players. Like don't get me wrong, there's been some good. I mean, tyler Harrell was in the NBA. Now it's Miami heat. He's fantastic, but I just don't see anybody right now where it's like this guy now. So wait and see how this all works out and I'm interested to see, uh, what everything works out. If you have what you guys think of the uh, of the nil in wia now, I'd love to hear what your thoughts are. Make sure you text it to me. Text it to me, 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the wia approving of the nil deals there.
Speaker 1:So I want to talk a little Packers here after the break. Here we're going to talk Packers with Umar here. He's going to be coming by. We're going to talk about the draft a little bit more. I want to talk about Packers here real quick. Before he gets in, the Packers we talked about Jair Alexander. It seems like we talk about Jair Alexander every other week, right, and an interesting development has come up. The Packers are the Packers and Jair are working in kind of hand in hand right now, trying to find a way to keep it together. Right now.
Speaker 1:You look at Brian Goodkins had to say no updates. He is on a roster right now and that's how we'll proceed, but we'll figure it out as we go along. Right, I'm looking at this and I'm saying, okay, if you're Brian Goodkins and you walk in that room and you're looking in Jair Alexander's eyes and you're saying, hey, dude, and you're looking in Jair Alexander's eyes and you're saying, hey, dude, if you can come in and you can give me a contract that's based on play, I'd keep you around. You play eight games. I give you this. You play nine games. I give you this. You play 12, I give you this. You get five interceptions. I give you this. You have 20-some tackles. Whatever, I give you this Incentive-based contract.
Speaker 1:Make him earn it. Don't take all of his money away. He's got a lot of money on that contract. Don't take it all away. Say we'll structure it. You do this for us, we give you this. I feel like that's fair. If you're Jair and you really want to come back to Green Bay, I'm at the point where it stinks that they don't have an answer with this, especially because the draft just came and went and you know you grabbed some guys, but it didn't really grab the guy.
Speaker 3:But where I'm at right now.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't hate it. If you can work out some kind of deal with him, an incentive-based deal, I wouldn't hate it. I would not hate that deal at all. Or even a lesser of a deal With some bonuses, maybe I wouldn't hate that. I'd firmly I'd bring him back Because if he can stay healthy, that defense just got way better, way better. So we'll see. We'll kind of see what Brian Gutekinds and Jair and the Packers are able to figure out there. It sounds like his teammates want him back. It's just Brian Gutekinds, matt LaFleur those guys they are unsure at this point and it's been frustration. You know there's been a lot of head case moments. There's been a lot of injuries that have just led to where we are right now. So we'll kind of wait and see what they come up with. Jair there the Packers did sign an interesting one. I want to talk about this. I know the draft is the big thing coming off of this last weekend and Umar and I are going to talk draft. I'm going to talk draft here in a second. But the Packers did sign an interesting character here.
Speaker 1:Isaiah simmons is on his way to green bay. The former first round pick there is on his way linebacker. He's an interesting fell 6-4, 238. He's got some I I believe some ability to play like a hybrid safety linebacker in between or kind of guy out of clemson number eighth pick in the 2020 draft there to arizona. He's bounced around a little bit here the last couple. Uh, first three seasons he played with the cardinals there. His second season, 2021, he had 105 total tackles. He had 70 tackles, 70 solo tackles and 35 assists. On that season he also had a one and a half sacks there. He was great for the cardinals there. And then that next season he was great too. And then he went to the giants, kind of fell off a little bit with the giants there. It's just never really materialized with them there, maybe coming to green bay, maybe playing with a guy like rashaan gary and some of these other guys in the defense Edgerin Cooper Maybe that helps him out. So we'll wait and see.
Speaker 1:I think this. I like this signing. I really do. I like this signing of Isaiah Simmons. I remember him at Clemson. He was fantastic for the Tigers and maybe Jeff Affleck can find a way to utilize his talent, his speed and his talent there coming off the edge and stuff like that I, I am excited. I'm excited for a guy like isaiah simmons. So I think this is a an interesting and exciting signing in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Uh, looking at the draft, so I want to look at the draft a little bit here. We're gonna talk draft here on the back side of this break here, uh, with ummer, but coming off the draft, I mean my reaction, coming off the draft, I liked it, not just the draft in general. Right, I thought the draft, they blew away expectations of attendance. Everything was great. It all looked like a blast down there, uh, over there in green bay. It was great. It was looked like it was fantastic.
Speaker 1:And from whatever I've seen, you know, outside of mike greenberg, who said something about almond milk, and I just uh, I mean mike golic was always the better than mike and mike. Right, that's all I need to know. Mike golic was always the best one of those two on mike and mike. Outside of that, it seemed like everybody outside of mel kuyper enjoyed the time. Right, and I'm gonna talk to a little bit I would talk to kyle later on this show about mel kuyper because I know he's got his own feelings on mel there but I mean, mel kuyper is probably the one of the guys who didn't enjoy the draft because he was wrong. He was wrong. Shador Sanders didn't get drafted in the top, so he was wrong. Oh my goodness, how could Mel Kiper have possibly been wrong about a draft pick? It's unreal how Mel Kiper isn't working with the Kansas City Chiefs as their scout I can't believe it. Mel Kiper's working at ESPN it's unreal. He drives me nuts. He absolutely drives me nuts. He's like Nick Wright, stephen A Smith, skip Bayless all of them put together Mel Kiper on 100%. But I mean, coming off the draft, everything was great.
Speaker 1:With the lead up to it, clay Matthews comes out and he says the Bears still suck. That absolutely made me laugh. I was. He came out and he said I got his note for the president and I was like oh yeah, oh boy, oh boy, here we go. And then he said the Bears still suck and I was like I just started dying laughing. That's hilarious. That was absolutely hilarious there.
Speaker 1:But the draft in total, everybody that Green Bay got, I didn't really have a problem with it. I mean they took I was excited 23rd pick. That was awesome. And then the second round you go off as a tackle. The third round there surprised me a little bit with the wide receiver. They're from TCU, sabian Williams. We'll talk about that here in a little bit.
Speaker 1:But outside of that I mean my reaction in total I love the draft for the Packers. I think they got better in the positions they want to get better in. Packers are a team. Maybe they have too much faith in what they already have in the room. I think that's kind of in a lot of people's eyes. I think that's kind of where they're at with Green Bay Packers. I think they believe that Greg Gutekinds has way too much faith in what he has, lucas Van Ness and the boys on that defensive line.
Speaker 1:Because they didn't really address the defensive line. They got an edge rusher there and I love an edge rusher there and I love the edge rusher baron sorrell from texas, I absolutely love that pick in the fourth round and he was there and it was just awesome. I mean that guy, that guy's a humble dude, he is just, I mean just awesome. I I love that. They got him, uh, in that fourth round. But they didn't really address the defense until that fourth round and then they went defense, defense, defense, defense across the board and then they went defense, defense, defense, defense across the board and then they went and got a guard there in the seventh round but they didn't really address the offensive or the defensive line until late.
Speaker 1:And then they went and got the D-tackle, brinson from Georgia with that sixth round pick there. They grabbed Warren Brinson and then in the undrafted portion of the draft anybody who gets drafted you still end up getting picked up there. They got Nazir stackhouse from georgia, the other defensive tackle. So they just grabbed both defensive tackles from georgia and said, bam, there you go. They already got davante wide. They got coy walker so I got georgia's defense coming in the room here. But I love both them.
Speaker 1:Guys right run stoppers up the middle. I thought those were two great picks. Coming off my reaction to it I was good with it. I was good. I didn't hate the picks. I loved Matthew Golden out of Texas. There he's a big game receiver. I love that. I liked the offensive tackle pick in the second round, savion Williams I didn't know how to feel about that one, but I loved the Barrett saw. I thought, all in all, goody Matt LaFoy. Those guys, they had a great draft. I thought this was a great draft for the Green Bay Packers there. They've been picking up a lot of interesting guys in that undrafted portion there and I want to talk about them guys next time here on the show. I don't think we're going to get to it today. I think we'll get in there once we get into more of the camp talk with Green Bay Packers. There's some interesting stuff there from Green Bay.
Speaker 1:Did they answer the question? So these are just a couple of questions I had across social media that people were asking Do we feel like Packers answered our questions that we had going into the draft? I want you guys to answer that one for me. Text me at 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. Let me know what you think. Did the Packers answer your questions going into the draft, how they felt, how you felt about the Packers? Did they answer your question? Marks for this team Getting a number one wide receiver, adding to the defensive line, adding an edge rusher?
Speaker 1:Did they answer your questions or are you still left with? What are we going to do here? Who's going to fit this role? Who's going to fill this spot? Did they leave you any of those kind of questions? Let me know what you think. 715-990-4914. I'd love to hear what you think, because for me I think they answered some questions.
Speaker 1:Matthew, golden and xavier and williams answer my question the wide receiver core. I think they felt like they did not have enough in that room and they got their playmakers, so I think they answered that question. I think they answered the question of depth. At the offensive line, they want to keep jordan love upright, they want to keep josh jacobs moving they answer that question with belton there in the second line uh, second round and then also adding john williams they're late in the second round and then also adding John Williams there late in the draft and bringing in Aaron Banks in free agency. I think they answered those questions. I think a question they didn't answer for me was the defensive line, because they didn't answer that until late in the draft and if you're expecting these guys to dig that in the leap, I don't know. That would be the part where I'm like okay, that was my question mark and I didn't have that one answered.
Speaker 1:So does Brian Gutekunst have more faith in the guys in the room than we do, or that I do at least. So I'd love to hear what you guys think. Let me know what you guys think there. 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914 there.
Speaker 1:Hey, we'll be back here. The backside is break Omar's going to jump in with us. We're going to talk more Packers. We're going to talk more Packers draft. I want to get complete what we were thinking about this NFL draft and what Ummer had to think of the draft class there. So we'll be right back here on Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trades. Stay right where you're at. Welcome back to Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trades. I'm your host. Trades. We're coming back here on this Wednesday. And, hey, this next segment with Ummer is brought to you by Sport and Spine Clinic of Greenwood, wisconsin. They're expert traditional physical therapy and structural integration programming. Call for flexible scheduling and evaluations. Just call Chad down there at Sport and Spine Clinic in Greenwood. There, he'll get you right. He'll get you back doing whatever you were doing, feeling better than ever. Sport and Spine Clinic of Greenwood there.
Speaker 1:So so hey we got umber with us tonight here. Umber, how we doing. It's wednesday, we're back. The draft happened. How we doing after the draft here man, I'm feeling a lot better.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna lie like my, my, uh, my draft crushes jayden higgins and jaylen noel and of course, uh, miko buka. All eckabooka got taken. But, and of course you know, derrick harman got picked right before us. But I think the way the Packers rounded out the draft, they definitely picked some players where you knew they were going to go receiver, I knew they were going to go receiver. And getting Golden, who was a consensus top 15 pick at 23, I thought was really good as well, as you know.
Speaker 2:I think the Anthony Becton pick was where people might think it's a reach.
Speaker 2:But, based on everything that's been said, is that from the time he declared to when he got drafted, he's been just impressing every single step of the way Senior bowl combine, all his workouts, all his interviews.
Speaker 2:So he may have been a little bit of a reach but because of the fact that a lot of the marquee tackles and cards were being taken rounds one and two, they you know it might have been worth grabbing then and waiting to see if he'd last longer. And then Savion you know Savion Williams was a guy that I wasn't really impressed because of his hands. I knew he had, like not the greatest hands, but he's like that player who I feel like if Hardman doesn't work out, doesn't make the team. He could be the guy that does everything Hardman can do where he can punt return, he can kick return, he can do wildcat, which we did do with Jacobs a couple times. He could also be our sweep guy that we keep running Jaden Reed with. Basically he could do all the gadget stuff to include all the special team stuff and seeing his highlight reel, it literally looks like he's playing madden out there like you're not to diminish anything of reggie bush, but he has a lot of like.
Speaker 2:He's not as fast as reggie but he has a lot of tape that looks a lot like reggie bush coming out of usc yeah of course you got that out of the draft too, but we could talk more about that as well, too yeah, I mean he was getting on save down williams there.
Speaker 1:He was fantastic this last season 60 passes and I think he forced like 18 missed tackles is what I had down in my notes there. He was unreal there and then carried the ball 51 times and had forced 22 missed tackles carrying the football. So I mean he was dynamic all the way around for TCU this last season there. But let's get to that first-round draft pick. I talked a little bit about the draft coming into, uh, this segment with you here. But matthew golden I mean we I was watching the live stream over there in coast to coast packers. You guys gotta make sure you check that out there, uh with ummer over there. But I was watching and you weren't real keen on him right away you were like, why this, why this?
Speaker 1:and I gotta say, and I know you kind of changed your perspective on it but I for me, I I love that pick. Simple reason rubs runs that sub 4.3, 40 yard dash, that's great. I mean just speed after speed, right. But big game guy in a big moment against in that, uh, against arizona state, in that college world playoff, big touchdown there in overtime on a fourth down play to set up Texas. I mean it was do or die Right then and there Made the catch and that's huge. Because what did the Packers have a problem with this last season? Dropped passes, right, and I believe I was looking at the numbers from this last season. He dropped three passes in total.
Speaker 1:Three passes in total, that's impressive, that is some impressive numbers. Three passes in total yeah, three passes in total. That's impressive, that is some impressive numbers. Big game guy doesn't drop a lot of passes exactly what the Packers need.
Speaker 2:Am I wrong? Am I right? What are your thoughts on that number one pick there in Matthew Golden? No, I think you're 100% right.
Speaker 2:I think the thing that I was reading on some of the people that are posting things was that his track speed because he's a former track athlete, so his track speed didn't translate on tape he actually admitted it. He says, yeah, I've never been able to really fully open up in games because problem is, if I do, normally I'm out running the ball, I'm out running the play. So you could say there might be an indictment on quinn evers not being able to get him the ball deep. If he's running up, you know his full speed. Now I don't think jordan love is going to have that problem. Jordan Love has a real live arm, probably one of the strongest arms. Obviously, no one has an arm like Rodgers had, but let's say that it's pretty up there, right. And I think for a guy that was 5'11", 190 pounds, he was the number one receiver at Texas In the Arizona game. I believe he actually took over that game because they were down and they didn't have a lot of guys. That arizona game. I believe he actually took over that game because they were down and they didn't have a lot of guys. So he actually was the. He had a. He took like a wr1 kind of like perspective on the way he took over the game and if he saw the way he came into the draft room, the way he kind of announced himself to the, to the city of green bay, because green bay was hosting the draft this past weekend he just had wr1 vibes and honestly, like I feel right now on our team we do have a lot of guys that could be a wide receiver one, but no one's really stepped up and actually taking that and you're right, three drop passes all season in a passing offense.
Speaker 2:One of the biggest things that we were really struggling with was drop passes and we need something that's not just going to be our wide receiver one but an alpha dog. And there is something about him, the way he plays the game, and if you listen to some of the cornerbacks that have guarded him, they've had nothing but great things to say about him. Maxwell Harrison said that he actually ate his lunch all the way through and I'm just really impressed to see that we were able to get a guy who I felt like was going to go to the cowboys or was going to go, probably to. Maybe I was with the dallas and I was thinking maybe top 10 to like maybe I thought carolina was gonna take him to st mcmillan. So again, a top 14, top 15 player who dropped to 23, sign me up and you're right.
Speaker 2:Like I think I was getting fed into some of the warren, sharp and other people that are like, oh, guys that run this speed don't always like translate in the nfl and I feel like maybe that does for some people, but the way our offense is set up, we need somebody that can beat man. We need someone that can take the top off the defense. Christian watson is that guy, but he's not gonna be back until probably thanksgiving, so we don't really have anybody on the team that runs that kind of speed and yeah, I can't wait to see what he's going to do in Matt LaFleur's offense.
Speaker 1:You know, and the big thing for me is he's not just a speed threat too right, he's got acrobatic skills, he's got the ability to high point a football. He's got all those attributes that you look for in a wide receiver one. So that's, that's what you're hoping. Hey, maybe we got a guy now, maybe we have the guy who is the answer to our wide receiver one. Problems we're hoping. So right, you got to have a guy who tilts the field. That's.
Speaker 1:The big thing for me is, when you listen to a lot of these defensive coordinators, these defensive guys when they're preparing for Green Bay, it's like they don't have that guy where you have to respect that side of the field. Everybody kind of the safeties, everybody kind of shifts to his side of the field. The greenback package didn't have that last year. Wicks wasn't that guy, reed wasn't that guy. They're both dropping passes left and right. You hope that they got that figured out. Dobbs, I mean he was out twice. Christian watson, it's. It was there and then it wasn't. You didn't know what you're gonna get. There was just inconsistency across the board. Now you're hoping you found that consistency with a guy like matthew uh, golden coming in there. I gotta agree with you on that, anthony bet. Uh, belt intake. There I mean six, six, three, thirty six, yes, big boy.
Speaker 2:He's way out of all measurables for green bay. They don't ever get big guys like that ever.
Speaker 1:You know and that was the crazy part was goody loved his ability and of his size to be able to move around like he does. That was what just impressed me was Goody's like. I love the speed of this guy, the way he moves around. I'm like he's a big dude. Yeah, not what I was expecting you to say about Anthony Belton there, but hey, if it fails over there you can move to D-tackle, just have him just run. There's that translation of position there with that. But hey, I mean looking at the draft in total. So you talked about a couple of the the first guys there. Yeah, was there a guy who excited you the most? I mean maybe two, maybe if you got a couple name off, a couple there, but who excites you the most of the packers picked up? I mean, even you want to go undrafted, uh, and drafted guys, you can go there too. Either way works for me. Just what guys excite you the most coming into green bay right now?
Speaker 2:I think I would be remiss if I didn't mention, you know, braylon sorrell, texas defensive end outside linebacker, who flew into the draft, who flew into green bay day three so you can take part in the draft room experience and was the only guy in the room when green bay picked in the fourth round and honestly like, if you, if again, there's a lot of guys that they've got. There are a lot of senior bowl guys. Um, he dominated the senior bowl. Lots of upper upper body strength dude, bench presses, 425. Um. Also, every single person in Texas said there's one player they could bring along with them, that it would be Sorrell and it was due to his personality, due to his leadership, due to the person he is. He's just a really good, positive dude and just seeing him at the podium later on with the beat writers and just having all those emotions of all the sacrifices his parents made to get him there, it was very hard for me not to get choked up and feel some kind of emotion for him. So I was really excited about that pick because I feel like we haven't we, you know, whole time up until now we've been talking about Green Bay needs to improve the pass rush. They need to improve their secondary, they need to improve their defensive line and with Sorrell, with Colin Oliver out of Oklahoma State, even with the, they got both Georgia tackles, they got Brinson and they also got Stackhouse right and both those guys were dominating on that defensive line and, honestly, like, the way they kind of wrapped up the draft in day three was very impressive because not only those guys were really great, but I'm telling you the one dude that I like they picked as an undrafted free agent. One dude's name is Umar Johnson. So I was just hyped about that because he has my first name. But he's running back out of North Dakota State and so it's funny because Tucker Craft hyped it. He actually retweeted him when he was coming to Green Bay because he played with them, right. But this guy named Kazir Buggs out of Florida International Atlantic no, florida International University, florida International University he's 6'3", 6'4", 224 pounds, runs a 4.38, bench presses 24 times Like. He's the kind I always find an undrafted free agent that I can lock onto and follow through the whole training cap OTAs and see if he makes a team.
Speaker 2:My last draft question was Raven Green. I don't know if you remember him from James Madison, and so this is my guy, this is the guy that I'm going to lock onto and follow and hope that he makes the team, because I think, like with physical attributes, like that, those guys don't grow on trees. But, like I said, they really rounded out the defense on the back end. Like I think you had mentioned, stackhouse. He's going to be, I think, a great Slayton replacement and they do expect a lot from Devontae Wyatt you know their former first-round pick from three years, three, four years ago and they're expecting him to kind of take that next step to be a long-term defensive end, defensive tackle on the defensive line. So I feel like the way this draft rounded out, they're expecting a lot of big things from Covington and they gave Matt LaFleur a lot more toys to play with.
Speaker 1:That's the big thing. Yeah, I mean, your first three picks went offense. That's where I was surprised. I didn't hate it, I didn't hate it, but at the same time I was like, oh, maybe would I have taken a de-tackle or a pass rush, maybe right that. When they picked Belton, the only thing that I said was I think Mike Green's still available. Yeah, the only thing I said was Green.
Speaker 2:Amos Amos is still there, right.
Speaker 1:Will.
Speaker 2:Johnson was like in that who's picked 47, but we could have. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I'm with you bro, there's always that pick in the draft where you look at the guys who come after it and you look back at it and it's like God man, should we have taken this guy, this guy, this guy? I mean it's every draft, right.
Speaker 1:I just got that feeling that we're going to look back at the second round and say I, even if I hope Elton turns out great, I think he's going to turn out great. I don't want to diss on this guy right now. I just got that feeling we're going to look back on it and say, man, mike Green's going to be a Hall of Famer. He's next Miles Garrett walking through the door there and we got Elton there in the second round. It's going to be like, was it a reach for him? I don't know, could you have gotten Elton later? He got his guy. That's the guy he wanted. It's okay. Right, it's okay.
Speaker 2:It's funny you say that, because I felt the same way too. I felt like we got him in the third or fourth round. Maybe we could have, maybe we don't. You know, it's hindsight, 2020, right, they call him a dancing bear. Like you just mentioned, the way he could move. For a guy his size, he could be left tackle or he could play guard, and, if you notice, when they picked up banks aaron banks he's another really, really big guard.
Speaker 2:So you could definitely tell they beefed up the offense line in a way to where they're really trying to get more away from having finesse guys and maybe have more power guys. And I think we all saw what happened at playoff game, where we had so many hits on offense line that basically we had kadeem telford out there playing snaps, right, yeah, and I'm thinking they're trying to do everything they can to avoid that again. So, again, we just talked I was talking to. One of my friends was a commanders fan and he was talking about how, like you know, they drafted connelly jr and you gotta protect your franchise. You know, getting the dancing bear, mr anthony escalade. I feel like that's exactly what they're doing. They're just trying to protect their investment. They're trying to protect their franchise quarterback, also trying to make sure that less hands get on josh jacobs when he's running through the hole I like it.
Speaker 1:I mean I I didn't hate the move. You got guys plugged the hole. Now you got aaron banks, get anthony belton in there, you're gonna hopefully jordan morgan can figure it out. You got elton jenkins right up the center. Now zach tomshon I mean you, your line has got yeah and you got good backups too, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's the big thing I agree with you 100%, because that Eagles game it comes back to every time I think about it. It's not the Eagles played better, it's not this, it's not that it's the Packers hurt themselves Once again. They hurt themselves down the stretch there. No-transcript gonna come back. We're gonna get a little bit here with umber to wrap up the rest of the hour here and then we'll come back for hour two of wisconsin sports on the go with trades. We'll be right back here after this quick break.
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Speaker 1:So we went to the break. I had Umar on here. We were talking a little Packers, talking a little Packers draft. We've been talking Packers for a majority of the day here. I mean it was an exciting weekend. It was an exciting weekend of the draft there at Green Bay. They blew away expectations of what they expected for the attendance there. So that was awesome to see down there.
Speaker 1:But this draft there's a lot of controversy. Right with the draft here, shador, let's just throw it out there. Right, because I know Mel Kiper. It was hilarious listening to Mel Kiper and Reese Davis yelling about it on set there and Reese is just basically like dude, calm down and Reese was right. Reese was right in the whole situation.
Speaker 1:Now Shador Sanders just has to prove it right. He has to prove everybody wrong. That's all Reese Davis was saying. And then Mel Kuyper's freaking out over there telling him how you know this and that and no quarterback should be dropped this far. If he's this high ranked on my board and I've never been wrong I can tell you I saw a couple of different ones that Mel Kiper has been wrong on. So I mean I'm not saying Shador is going to be he's going to be wrong, but he's been wrong on a couple of guys before. So Mel Kiper, I don't like Mel Kiper at all. No-transcript, I didn't watch the ESPN broadcast. Mike Greenberg drives me nuts, he drives me nuts and so does Mel Kiper. So I switched over and I listened. It was Reese Davis, it was Nick Saban, I think Kirk Herbstreet was on the first night there, and then it was like camera was desmond howard on there?
Speaker 2:was he on there at all? I didn't see him over the weekend I I so yeah, I was gonna say um, matt miller was a guy they brought on yes stick to stick to football podcast with connor rogers and um austin, call and mellow, and he then got picked up by espn.
Speaker 2:He's he's an amazing nfl scout and, uh, he's been on what. No, mel actually brought him on board. He's one of the better ones out there. Yeah, I always watch Daniel Jeremiah. That's my dude. I do agree with you on Mel. I feel like Mel is wrong more than he is right.
Speaker 2:I was with, I definitely was. I'm a little bit different. I was definitely with him when it came to Shador. I thought Shador should have been at least a third-round pick. I know what Reese was trying to say and I agree with Reese too.
Speaker 2:It's like look, now you're in okay, and you look at guys like look at Mark Tauscher, right tackle for Green Bay for many years, and then he's a Packer Hall of Famer. Now right, he was a seventh-round pick. He literally was a tackle at Wisconsin and then what did he do? He busted his butt and he was able to work his way into a starting position. He was one of the few right tackles to only give up. I think he only had one holding call his whole career right. And so you got guys like Kurt Warner, who was an undrafted free agent who was bagging groceries and he eventually became a Super Bowl champ and then also went to the second Super Bowl and almost won against the Steelers with the Arizona Cardinals. So I feel like, at the end of the day, desjardins probably was there something that we don't know about when it comes to his interviews. When it comes to possibly Maybe it's because he's just a really big personality and people didn't want to deal with that.
Speaker 2:For the rookie. That's also a possibility, but none of that matters. Now he's a. He's a fifth round pick. He's with the Browns. The Browns don't have an answer. Quarterback Deshaun Watson is a shell of himself. I'd be surprised if he makes the team Kenny Pickett they just said they're not gonna honor their his fifth year option. Joe Flacco will be the starter this year and I think he's a great stopgap quarterback and can be an amazing mentor to Shador and to Dylan Gabriano.
Speaker 2:Oregon, oregon, and with that, with those guys there, shador has a great opportunity because that offense in Cleveland is nice. I mean, you got Dre Judy, you, you have Jerome Ford. They, they invested really heavily in the draft when it comes to their running backs and the talent on Cleveland is there. They just haven't been able to really put it together and I think, like I mean, don't forget like two years ago they went through the playoffs with Joe Flacco, right.
Speaker 2:So I just think this whole thing with Shador was, I feel like it's not his fault because in a way, we're like the media really blew it up, right. The media made a real big stink about saying, oh, he should be a first-round pick, he's going to go here, he's going to go here, he's going to go here, he's going to go here. And then, when he didn't, it's like okay, so what's going on? Truth be told, it's like the only people that know what's going on are the football evaluators. And if we're just sticking to football, his numbers are pretty good. He did turn around both organizations at Colorado State and Jackson State, so he is a proven leader.
Speaker 2:I want to see where he goes from here, because you are, I feel like, when it comes to any of these situations, being a first-round pick or undrafted free agent, you can make. You have an opportunity now. You have to make the best of it. Right. Adversity makes the best out of all of us, or it shows where we might have some weaknesses in our game correct. That could be in anything we do in our life. Right, I know me personally. I've been through a lot of adversity and I'm better for it. Because of those those things I went through, I'm happy that I didn't have an easy life. And you know what? This was a great slice of humble pie that I hope he eats and takes it and makes a chip on his shoulder and makes something of it. Yeah, no right, it's tom brady brock purdy I know brock purdy gets a lot of hate.
Speaker 1:Brock purdy's doing pretty darn well for himself and he's looking at a big contract here there you go, I mean there is a lot of guys who've gotten taken later in the draft here. I would agree it was. It was odd. Uh, I don't. Steven a was way off base with his take on it. He, steven a is another guy drives me nuts, I don't he. He definitely keeps the job for clickbait, yeah his football picks are really whack dude I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry Him and Skip Bayless. They don't speak from a place of football knowledge. They more speak from a place of either being clickbaity or they're trying to get you to tune in because they're trying to be very edgy, or they're trying to say something controversial. Like Emmanuel Ochoa does that a lot too For me. When I'm listening to certain people like Maurice Jones-Drew a lot too for me. Like when I'm listening to certain people like, like you know, maurice jones drew, he kind of he just these, a lot of these guys.
Speaker 2:There's some guys that are out there that just stick to what exactly is in front of them, right, yeah, um, daniel jeremiah is great about that too. Like he you know he's a former player, appalachian state guy and you know him bucky brooks, charles davis, steve weiss a lot of these guys. They, they know what they're talking about, so I kind of go to them. I definitely do gravitate towards my NFL network when it comes to that, but ESPN does have some really good guys. Like I said, matt Miller is another guy that I would follow, and if he told whatever he had to say about Shador or about any prospect, I will listen to him, or Bill, or Bill.
Speaker 1:Bill will just tell you how it is.
Speaker 3:That's what I love about Bill.
Speaker 1:That's what I love about Bill. That's what I love about.
Speaker 2:Bill Michaels on the radio.
Speaker 1:Oh Bill Michaels, oh Bill he just tells you everything how it is. He doesn't sugarcoat it, he doesn't hold back If he doesn't like something. He tells you all about it and why. And I love that about him, especially when it comes to the Packers. He lets it fly sometimes. He lets it fly sometimes and that's what you got to do. I mean, outside of that, I didn't like I don't know if I would have taken shador ahead of jackson dart. I kind of like jackson dart. I kind of liked what I saw jackson dart there at old mess. I thought he was a big time player. I just thought old mess screwed themselves out of games a couple different times there and that's why old mess kind of fell apart. Km ward played solid all season.
Speaker 2:The only thing that annoyed him was easy number one. For me that was oh yeah 100.
Speaker 1:He's got all the attributes that you want. The only thing that annoyed me was he played in the game for miami and that uh play. He played in that uh bowl game for like five minutes or whatever yeah, and then just got a record.
Speaker 1:And then got the record he got the record that drove me nuts. That drives me nuts with players. It absolutely does I. I can't remember who it was, I don't want to quote it, but there was a college player who said I know you're talking about south carolina kid. Yeah, yeah, he said that the reason why he played was because he wants his kids to look back yeah, I saw that same interview, yeah and I was like that was awesome. Yeah, I was like I love that that's the guy.
Speaker 2:Second round pick dray something. Linebacker south carolina. Oh my gosh, what is this? I know exactly. I saw the same interview and I was impressed.
Speaker 1:I love that guy. I wish the Packers would. After I listened to him talk for five seconds, I was like I wish the Packers would have got you. I'm missing him. Is it Demetrius?
Speaker 3:Knight.
Speaker 1:Jr. Is that his name?
Speaker 3:there.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's it.
Speaker 1:Demetrius Knight Yep. That sounds right he went to the Bengals and they got an awesome guy in there, because that is a dude. I want that is a guy I want on my football team because he's going to. It's like we were talking the other day there last week about Josh Myers right, Not the greatest in the world, but he was always out there. He had a torn neck. He was out there.
Speaker 1:He was going to give you everything he had every single week. That's the kind of guy you're getting there. I love to see stories like that across the board. Across the board. Was there, I guess, a team that you were? Oh, they won the draft. Was there that kind of team in this?
Speaker 2:draft where you kind of loved it. Yeah, Houston grabbing Jaden Higgins and Jalen Knoll.
Speaker 1:Took the entire Iowa State team Took the whole Iowa State team.
Speaker 2:I was impressed by that. I have to admit that every time Philly drafts they do really well. They just find a way to really work the draft and still get all the guys they want. Um, tampa had a really good draft. They I mean them getting a boot cut because they know that both. You know godwin's coming off injury, evans was banged up but he still played, but he's getting older um. And then they did they picked up uh, he picked up a couple corners and stuff like that too. That was in love too with um. I I there was.
Speaker 2:I felt jacksville's move to two was a little rich for me. Personally. I think travis hunter is a great talent. I just don't think I would have given up a first round pick for next year when you know your team is kind of like devoid of talent to a degree right, and you're a first-time GM.
Speaker 2:There's a quote in the movie Draft Day that people have mixed reviews on, but Kevin Cosgrove is talking to actually the Jacksonville Jaguars GM and he's talking to him. He's like, hey, you know, out of the draft someone always comes out looking like a donkey. He goes do you want to be the donkey? And I have to feel that Gladstone, giving up that first him or Terry uh Fort, not at Atlanta, one of them might come out looking like a donkey. They both give first round picks to move up in the draft to get their guys. Now, jackson dart, what you were saying I agree. Physically that man has everything you. That young man has everything you want as a quarterback right Now. He did an interview with John Gruden on just being what he does, going through plays and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yep you saw it right, yep, he didn't look like he looked very confused, like he was asking for dummy calls, he was asking for dummy cadences and stuff like that and it was just like wow, like wait, like you don't know what he's talking about at all and you know what. I hate to say it, but a lot of these kids that come out of college, the way the offense is set up is that they're not required some of them are not really required to think on their feet. They look forward to the sideline, they get the play and they run right. So definitely Giants moving up and getting Jackson Dart was definitely a move. Like I said, that scene from that one movie was like hey, bold move. You know, con, we'll see how that plays out right. So this is going to be one of those things.
Speaker 1:You know I took the Browns winning the draft after that move because they traded back. They got Mason Graham Huge add for that defensive line I agree. And then they went into the second round and they could basically double dip there, with the first pick in the second round and the fourth pick in that second round, second round and the fourth pick in that second round. I thought it was weird that they took I.
Speaker 1:I really thought they were going to go quarterback and then they went with a linebacker at ucla, and then there was a piece. I agree like it was good picks.
Speaker 2:I was just like well it was just, it was out of the field, right?
Speaker 1:I agree, yeah, yeah I just, I really thought I was like uh, they're gonna, now it's gonna be shador, now it's gonna be shador. And then I said that like 14 times. I'm like now it's gonna be, nope, not yet. Not yet there, I would. I do I like the giants pick. There I saw one guy he actually I think he was on the boys something pack, I don't know what he was on. They were interviewing him and he predicted what the giants were gonna do. He said that they were yeah, he was gonna trade back into the first round.
Speaker 1:He predicted it both right. I was like wow.
Speaker 2:You know what Giants trading what they did? They didn't give up a lot. They gave up, I think, a, two and two threes to move back into the first. I was like that's not bad, you have guys giving up first round picks to get back into the first For the fact that they didn't give up a first.
Speaker 2:If you nailed it, if you nailed it with jackson dart, you didn't waste anything. No, that's what I'm saying. I completely agree. Yeah, if you have faith in yourself, yes, and he has russell, wilson and winston to learn from, so you can sit for a year.
Speaker 2:I mean, I hope they let him sit for a year, because a lot of these guys that got picked except cam I think cam's gonna start right away, right, but everybody else for the most part can have an opportunity to sit and learn and actually get an idea about what the NFL game is. So they're not like thrown into, like you know, they're basically thrown into the fire and expecting to dance, right. So hopefully they get that opportunity to kind of take it like you know, go through the Mahomes way, go the Rodgers way, go the Love way. Even Josh Allen. Josh Allen played, but I think he didn't start right away. He eventually started that his first year and then he basically kept it. But again, like giving these guys opportunity to kind of learn the game before they have to, you know, take over a franchise, basically I agree.
Speaker 1:I agree 100. I'm hoping there's a lot of quarterbacks that came out of this draft where they're kind of going to let them sit for a little bit and work their way in outside of camp. I don't think ward's going to have that kind of opportunity.
Speaker 2:No, and then dude they, they stacked up on there again. That's an interesting that they really well in the draft too. They got a lot of receivers. They went ahead and like, really built. Like you know, callahan has a really good young nucleus on that team. I'm really looking forward to seeing how he runs because, honestly, the afc south is up for grabs right now.
Speaker 1:I mean unless if houston puts her back together.
Speaker 2:I mean that and that's the best team they decimated their offensive line and they try to kind of put it back there. They got a whole bunch of weapons, but their O-line is still kind of slacking a little bit there. So we're just going to see how they plan on going about protecting Stroud.
Speaker 1:Just whip the ball around as fast as you can, that's it. Just straight pop pass every single time Shotgun only pop passes the whole time there.
Speaker 1:So, Umber, it's been fantastic, as always. We'll have you back here next week. I know something's going to be happening with the Packers. We'll have you on next week. We'll talk more Packers here on the show. But hey, on the top of the hour here we got more to get into. Goodness gracious, we got Kyle coming on. We got to talk Bucs because, yeah, we got to talk Bucs. We got Talk Badge Basketball. We got a whole slew of things coming yet, and then we got MLB Brewers, all kinds of stuff left in for the final hour of the show here.
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Speaker 1:If you missed the first part of the show, you can always tune in back to it. Make sure you just check out the podcast there with Scott Sports on the Go Trade. We play these shows next day on their iTunes, spotify. Wherever you get podcasts, you can find them there. You can check out the great talk we just had with Ummer there about the Packers in this last draft class there. But, like I told you guys going into the break, I had another guest coming on here to start out this second hour of the show and I got Kyle back here. Kyle from Chopping in the Bit podcast there. He's here to talk Bucs because, well, my goodness, we've got to talk about that disaster. So, kyle, I mean all in all, outside of that disastrous finish that we watched there how are we doing on this Wednesday?
Speaker 3:I mean I'm doing well, you know it's playoff time. We've got, you know, baseball going, you got hockey playoffs, like this is a good time Just coming off the draft. So now you got NFL kind of the back of your mind because it's almost here. So, yeah, I'm happy right now.
Speaker 1:That's where we're at right now in Wisconsin, because the Brewers are struggling and the Bucs well, we watched that thing there. But hey, before we get to the Bucs, before we get to the Bucs, this next segment of the show is brought to you by a fantastic sponsor of ours, and that is Marshfield Motor Speedway, the half-mile paved track just three miles west of Marshfield on County Road H. Find upcoming events and races at marshfieldspeedwaycom there. Kyle, I always have you on and you are always a part of the Mellow Yellow Minute there, and everybody, if you're sitting out there, make sure you got your cold beverage next to you. Crack that baby. Right now we're going to get to the Mellow Yellow Minute. Kyle had today's choice of a question, and today's question is because he said it's got to fit the theme right. The theme of today Crushing defeat. What are trage's top three crushing wisconsin sports defeats? What, kyle, I mean? Take a shot in the dark. What is number one on the list of trage's crushing defeats?
Speaker 3:so I'm thinking one. I believe was it the national championship badgers, blue devils man.
Speaker 1:He's taking shots right off the top. That is number one. That's 2015 National Championship. The ball did, in fact, go off Winslow's finger and everybody knows it, including Duke fans.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm, okay, that one I figured had to be up there.
Speaker 1:Oh, it stings, it stings, it still hurts to this day.
Speaker 3:So next one, I want to say Packers-Eagles playoffs, when the Eagles, I think, converted like the fourth in 26 or 29. If I had to make like a top five.
Speaker 1:It's in there, it's in there, but there is a Packer one in there. It's just not that one. This one, this one's got a little more sting to it because the Packers had a big lead and this team came back and beat them. And to it because the packers had a big lead and this team came back and beat them and went on to the super bowl that same season I'm not gonna try to remember which game that is the 2014 nfc championship game between the packers and the seattle seahawks.
Speaker 1:Okay, 35 yard touchdown pass to jermaine curse there in the end zone in overtime. To win it. The Packers were up 16-0. There was an onside kick. It was disgusting. That game was just a disaster. So there is my number two, kyle. What is number three on the list there for crushing losses in Trajan's book?
Speaker 3:So number three, I'm thinking Brewers.
Speaker 1:It is. It is in fact Brewers. There are many, there are many.
Speaker 3:Brewers losses that come to mind. I'm trying to think which one would be the worst for you. I know they had a heartbreaking one last year.
Speaker 1:That was disastrous it was against the Mets. We even got rid of our closer because of it.
Speaker 3:Right Now it's no longer the closer for the Yankees.
Speaker 1:He's nothing. Yeah, he's basically nothing at this point.
Speaker 3:And I think there was what 2018.
Speaker 1:Bingo.
Speaker 3:Was that the one with the?
Speaker 1:Dodgers, dodgers, game seven of the nlcs. Yasiel puig boom off jeremy jeffress and all the hope and the state of wisconsin went just like that. The brewers have a lot of them. They have a lot of I mean. You talk about devin williams blowing that save. You talk about josh hater and trent grisham letting the ball go through his legs against the nationals. There. That was here. The nationals went all the way to the world series I mean they're the brewers are just like masters at the crushing defeats.
Speaker 1:In the playoffs, arizona diamondbacks just smoked us. I mean it was a disaster. It was a disaster. But kyle, all of that, that was a great hour. There's a great melio minute right there and great guesses by kyle there. He's not much of a, he's a wisconsin sports fan, but he's not a wisconsin sports fan. So that's some great guesses by kyle right there. But all of that leads into our crushing, our most recent crushing defeat, this box team.
Speaker 1:Kyle, you had the lead. They were up. What they were up? It felt like at one point there in this game they were up at least I mean 15. More than that. At one point in this game here they were up at least I mean 15. More than that. At one point in this game. Here they're up 20-9.
Speaker 1:To start the game they were running. Look, I don't want to say they were running away with it, but honestly it felt like they could run away with this game at one point. And then the Pacers clawed back and then the Bucs would take a little lead and then the Pacers took a lead and then it was back and forth. Then it was a scrap fest and I was like I texted Kyle right then I said Kyle, this is what the Bucs wanted. Because when it was 73-73 at the end of the third, I was like this is a game for the Bucs, because they needed a defensive battle. We said it, they needed a dogfight, they needed to win a dogfight and they took it to the end. They blew it to the end. They blew it to go into overtime there. And then overtime comes around and well, hang on to the basketball.
Speaker 1:Gary Trent, why are we turning the basketball over twice, throwing the ball away, letting it go through our hands? It was all disaster. It just all struck at one time. It was like the perfect storm. All struck at one time. It was, it was like the perfect storm. And I mean kyle was what do you? What did you make of this game? I mean you were watching. You said what a finish. What did you make of this game between the bucks and the pacers? This, I mean ultimately, last game of this series and last game of the season for the bucks so what I think happened in this one.
Speaker 3:It kind of highlighted a lot of the frustrations Bucs fans have dealt with all season Because they went through the first four games of the series. I guess looking outmatched against the Pacers team. That is not the best matchup for the Bucs. Only because the Pacers like to play fast and because of the Bucs roster construction they can play fast in spurts, but they can't do it for 48 minutes, potentially seven games in a series. So the Bucs really had to pick their spots when they tried to speed up the Pacers. But what they needed to do offensively was execute, make the Pacers work, be kind of physical with them and try to just muck it up a little bit and then win it. At the end they couldn't do it.
Speaker 3:Now, part of that was Doc and his rotations, the starting lineup, which I didn't understand, why he kept running that group out there when you're looking at Brook Lopez, who's been in this league for a while, but he's not the quickest on his feet and you're dealing with a team that has Miles Turner, who can move, toppin can move I mean they'll even slide like Siakam in that position sometimes who can move? So you know it wasn't as serious for Brook Lopez. And then you look at tonight Doc finally realized that because Brook Lopez only played like seven minutes. So you put him out there for a little bit just to whatever. You pull him and you sit him for the rest of the game. Then it's because I said this before the series guys like Torian Prince should not have guaranteed minutes. He had guaranteed minutes until tonight, when he only played like five minutes. Until tonight, when he only played like five minutes. So Doc once again waited until game five, with you being down 3-1, to finally make an adjustment. And that's where a lot of the, I guess, bad talking points, or necessarily towards Doc, come from, because it's now what? 17 years since he won that title in Boston in 08. Since then his coaching record hasn't been great. So now you have to add this to that Because I feel like going into this series, a lot of people thought because of the Pacers' finesse style, and they still don't really have a lot of experience.
Speaker 3:On that team, people were thinking the Bucs could pull the technical upset as the five seed but now, watching these games, it's like the Pacers are almost leaps and bounds ahead of Milwaukee with this current group. And now, as Bucs fans have to do, you've got to look to the offseason and wonder a lot, because Milwaukee kind of went all in to preserve their championship window after their last title and now they're kind of spiraling off the cliff at this point because they don't have first round picks in the next few years. So you can't build that way. Unfortunately, your best asset is also your best player and basically your only redeemable asset is your best player. On a lot of these teams that are struggling, like, there's guys surrounding the star player where you're like all right, he didn't work here, but he'll have some value on the open market. I don't know where you necessarily would say that with this group, other than maybe Kevin Porter, because I believe Porter has a player option, but there's a good chance Kevin Porter might want to get paid, so he's not going to lock into that Cause. Think the player option is like two and a half million and I think even in this series he's showed that he can perform on a playoff stage and, outside of Giannis and probably Gary Trent, kevin Porter had the best series, so he might get paid a little bit more. I think Bobby Portis has a player option, and Bobby Portis only because he's like a career buck. He'll probably lock into that, but Portis is still one of the older guys on the team. So it's almost like you're stuck in a certain situation that probably doesn't get better next year Unless you make some tough decisions Likeuzma kuzma.
Speaker 3:The kuzma experience failed. Now the problem is did it fail so much on your watch that now you can't move him and you're stuck with him for two years? Because he has two years left on his deal, I think, averaging at like 20 million a year, which in today, today's NBA, is a contract you can move, but I don't know where you go. You probably can't call contenders for him because they'll be like well, he didn't work for you. He didn't really work with the Lakers. He only played somewhat well with Washington, who stung.
Speaker 3:How do we know? He's not one of those guys who can only perform on a bad team. Fine, if that's what it comes down to. You call one of these bad teams. But it's like what do they have that you like? Because they're on a bad team for a reason. So they may literally take this and go and convince themselves.
Speaker 3:Well, kuzma came in midseason tough transition. Maybe if we give him the offseason he'll be better next year. That works for some. I don't think that works for kuzma. So it's like do you almost push janice to go for a trade right now because he has two more years on his deal at crazy money that you can use to gain those first round picks you don't have, and actually do a rebuild the correct way you know. Get all these assets, just draft players, see who sticks, who can be your new core and build around that group, cause at least it'd be cheaper and you have more flexibility. But let's say Giannis doesn't want to go anywhere. What moves are out there that makes this team drastically better when you're looking at an Eastern Conference where the Celtics aren't going anywhere, the Cavs aren't going anywhere, the Pistons are growing, the Magic are growing. The Knicks I've had some questions about them, but they're in a better spot than you right now. It's an East that's getting better behind Milwaukee. So this might have been the last run with your Giannis Portis Lopez types.
Speaker 3:And also with that you got Lillard. I forgot all about Lillard, 34 years old, coming off an Achilles injury. What can you really expect from him next season? And he's another guy if you tried to move him, how is he viewed around the league? He's now damaged goods, getting older. I think this is around the same time Kobe had his injury. Kobe retired.
Speaker 3:So if Lillard continues to play, he's a guy that does kind of operate Well. He operates mostly off of his three-point shooting, obviously, but there is a bit of athleticism to his game that if he loses any of that, what does that look like? He doesn't give you much defensively, so if he can't play to a certain level offensively, he's a net negative. And then you got the coaching. Like Doc clearly can't coach this team next season. You can't lose a series like this where you don't adjust in any way, and lose the way you did with a lead that should have carried you into a game. Six 30 seconds left, you're up by six points. You have enough veteran guys on that team on that court that should have gotten this done and they didn't. And yes, that's going to reflect on the players, but reflects mostly on doc rivers, who's probably on thin ice with bucks fans anyway, so he has to go. Now it's who do you bring in to make these guys any better?
Speaker 1:That's the truth. That is the truth. Kyle gave the rant for every Buck fan out there, right there. Kyle just gave us the whole rant.
Speaker 3:I figured I'd help him out, I'd help him sort out their thoughts.
Speaker 1:Let us know how we're all feeling right then. And there, hey, we got more Buck talk to get to. Kyle was giving us our rant there, so I got more questions for him. So we'll get to more Buck questions At the backside of this break. Here we're going to talk MLB. We got all kinds of stuff to get to yet here tonight. So make sure you guys are coming back here.
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Speaker 1:He went on his full tangent about this Bucs team and what the heck we watched and what's going to be happening in this offseason. I know we're going to get more into the offseason talk here in the coming days, weeks, whatever, as we get out of the season here. But I want to talk about this series because Giannis gave the Bucs everything that he had, gave it it all. And I got to say Giannis did say you know, they got to put a bomb underneath them, basically, and blow them up to get him out of Milwaukee. So I don't believe I know a lot of Bucs fans are worried and I Milwaukee. So I don't believe I know a lot of Buck fans are worried and I know Kyle just mentioned it there. Hey, maybe it is time to think about. I don't think Giannis is leaving willingly. I think the Bucks would literally have to tie him up, throw him in a bucket and just ship him off Like that's. That's the way that it would go. So I don't think Giannis is going anywhere. I think we can all calm down there.
Speaker 1:Gary Trent was fantastic in this series, absolutely fantastic Porter. I loved what I saw out of him. I feel comfortable with Porter for the future Kyle mentioned it there he's got a player option. I am taking him to the bank and I'm saying what do you want? What do you want? What are you worth? We'll get you your money Because this is a guy I feel like you can center around and build with him. He's a young guy. He's a young guy. He's had a past, but I think he meshes well with Giannis. I think he meshes well with his team. So I'm keeping him around. Aj Green, just sign the check, give him whatever he wants. I don't care this guy's cash.
Speaker 1:This is where I ran into the issue and, like Kyle mentioned earlier, and where I ran into an issue with this series. Why did it take Doc Rivers so long to adjust to what he had? Because when you look at AJ Green just AJ Green in general, right For the season, he's a 42% free throw or three-point shooter. 42%, that's impressive. We look at the games in this series.
Speaker 1:Game one I don't even think he played. I can't remember for sure there, but I don't know if he played at all in game one. I know game two he had limited minutes, or 27. Game three he played 12. Game four he played 26. Game five he played 24. And then all of a sudden in game or game five I just got my numbers. They're all kinds of confused because ESPN was confusing me. Game one was 27, game two was 12, either way, but confusing me, game one was 27, game two was 12, either way. But then in game five, all of a sudden he plays 46 minutes and we're just like, oh, here you go, here's all the minutes, right. And look, we saw 19 points. He was 60.
Speaker 1:From downtown, did it all for you, gary trent. You gave him the runway and he just said here you go, I'm gonna knock down some big time buckets. Two straight games. Gary trent gives you just phenomenal performances, does everything that are well, where did he go? Game four he went off in that game there for the bucks. There. I mean two great performances out of gary trent in this series. And yet it took until game five for doc to say we should run out this lineup. We should give jericho sims more time out there in the basketball court.
Speaker 1:Jericho sims was a, if you want to look at like who was a, because you got to look for good in every crappy series. Right, I look at jericho sims four offensive rebounds in this game, a ton of offensive rebounds throughout the series. He's just a constant presence and a block, a shot blocker. He's a constant guy around the rim. He's just a pest. Jericho sims, I thought, played great in the role that he was given. And then you look at guys I mean you look across the board there. Aj Green, like I mentioned there, he was fantastic. Kevin Porter was great in the series. Gary Trent, huge Portis played well. Giannis loved it.
Speaker 1:You have to look at the guys where you. These are the guys who were supposed to be the dudes right. Prince Kuzma Lopez. They were non-factors, non-factors. Like you mentioned there. Lopez was going to be a non-factor in the series. He's not fast enough, he's not athletic enough to play with these guys.
Speaker 1:Kuzma was I mean, I don't know what else to say, he just didn't show up. Torian Prince was absolutely unplayable. Four minutes was too much in even game five, and that's. You want to know where. They ran into a problem. They had zero bench.
Speaker 1:When you realistically look at it and I'm not saying like they could have I think they could have played Jericho Sims more. I think they could have. I think Ryan Rollins could have played. Andre Jackson Jr didn't play again. I don't understand that one. This guy went from a starter, he was playing big minutes and then all of a sudden he was nothing to this team. Andre Jackson Jr is a stud defensively and in a series like this I felt like he could have used a stud. So I don't get that.
Speaker 1:I would have given him Torian Prince's minutes. I would have given it to Andre Jackson Jr Kuzma's minutes. I would have given them to him. I would have given them to. I gave him the pat connington for all I care, just it was ugly. At what point did you just say these guys aren't doing it for me anymore? This whole series, I don't know, just atrocious basketball all the way across. So I mean, kyle, were there any things that you took out of the series where you're like I, I like this. I, I liked something that I saw here from a young player on this roster, or anything like that yeah.
Speaker 3:So I think, when looking at the way that the series played out, I guess, if you want to use this for the next coach who comes in because, like I said, I'm assuming doc is gone from this you kind of see how this team can be successful with yannis and I agree with you, I don't think yannis is going to like kick down the door and go get me. You kind of see how this team can be successful with Giannis and I agree with you, I don't think Giannis is going to kick down the door and go get me out of here. I think Giannis is a guy that wants to put pressure on the front office to do what needs to be done to stay contenders and, like I said, the rest of the East is getting better. But AJ Green I was impressed with him. He showed a lot of confidence in his shot and I think that's a guy that if he didn't start this year, I would give a spot in the starting lineup to him, because he's a guy that if I'm Giannis, if I get into the lane, defenses collapse on me and I kick it out to him, he's going to knock down a shot. That's what he needs. Gary Trent Jr, who is a free agent. I think he has shown he will hit big shots for you, but once again he's another guy in the perimeter who can knock down the three. I think you have to do what you can to sign him. So I think Green and Trent were definitely something you could take from this and go good. Those are guys who show that they can knock down the three and add a position of need.
Speaker 3:I think the second thing that you have to look at this and go a positive Lopez, torrey and Prince are gone. They're free agents. You don't have to worry about them. Those are now roles you can give to somebody else. And look, may the Brooke Lopez minutes go to Sims next year, who's a young athletic big. I think, looking at the East, you can get away with him playing the five. There aren't that many big bruising centers in the East. It's Embiid, but Embiid's got his own issues staying on the court and that's like it. Most of the centers are your bam out of bio Al Horford types. I think Sims could be okay. I even think you should probably think about going small ball next year and put Giannis at the five and go around that, but neither here nor there Sims can stay. And I think the third thing is like this kind of goes off of the rant, like if you, as a Bucs fan, wanted change and wanted significant change. Losing in this fashion is how you get it. So those are the three positives you can take from this. In a pretty crappy situation, you found two guys, green and Trent Jr, who should be guys that you try to forma core with with Giannis and then build off of them.
Speaker 3:Sims is a guy who fits today's NBA center. You have him on your roster. I think he's a free agent but it shouldn't take much to re-sign him. You keep him, and even Portis, because I know you said you would like Portis back. Portis gives you that veteran presence and I know I like to as a Celtics fan.
Speaker 3:Like Portis is a guy I look at and go. That guy's probably crazy, but you can tell. Like Portis is a guy who carries some weight in the locker room. I would keep him for that. And he still plays. He still is willing to get down under the hoop and mix it up. So I think you can at least look at this and go. You've identified where the problems are and most of those problems are free agents so you don't have to deal with it anyway and you can kind of move forward as long as yannis is buying in. I feel like the bucks aren't one of these situations that's like dire need they did this. Figure out a way to make this happen without first round picks. That's going to be tough, but you give me honest and you give me guys like green and Trent jr who could just knock down threes, I'll take my chances. Yeah, cause the honest is just that kind of competitive.
Speaker 1:I agree, I like that, I really do. I like that analogy you just gave for that bucks team and the the. What you think the buck should do here in this next off season. And I agree, I mean I love what I see out of Sims. I think you bring back a guy like Ryan Rollins and Kevin Porter Jr Definitely, like we talked about before. I think that's a piece that you have to try and bring back to this roster.
Speaker 1:Bobby too, I was impressed. Nembhard drives me nuts. This Pacers team drives me nuts. I texted Kyle the other night. I said between the Rockets and Pacers, I don't know who I disliked the most. Like both these teams, they just try to push buttons, they try to get in fights, they try to egg you on right.
Speaker 1:And Nembhard last season we remember it was, I believe, game four or five there he got into Portis' face. Portis ended up throwing a hand, he ended up getting ejected right and the Bucs were already short-handed. He wasn't able to play right. Well, last night's game we saw nem hard get over there and he got into portis's face again and portis just banged on his chest a couple times, went to hose the nose with him, but then just walked away, right, just laughed it off and walked away and I was like that is an evolution of bobby, because he's had his issues this year. Right, he was suspended for the longest time. He had his issue last year with the ejection and everything. And if Bobby, I love the crazy, I want him to have the crazy, I want him to have the fight, but I also want him to have the. I can calm myself down, be a leader of this team and you know, stay on the basketball court. That's what we saw, and I mean 44 minutes. That's huge. That was huge in this game. Not only 14 points it doesn't translate as points to minutes, but he plays big minutes for this Bucs team. So that's why I'm like, like you said to a leader in the locker room this is a guy where you got to at least try to bring him back.
Speaker 1:But it all leads back to the same point. You said it and we're all thinking it Doc Rivers has got to go. Man, he's just got to go. There is no ifs, ands or buts about it. I don't care what yana says. I honestly I don't care what he says. If he comes into the locker room, says, ah well, it's not doc's fault? Whose fault is it yan? Whose fault you want to blame yourself? Blame yourself. Then you want to blame your teammates. Go blame them. But who are you going to blame? At the end of the day? You gotta blame somebody. You gotta put. Some of this blame has got to get put on somebody. It's not.
Speaker 1:This wasn't a complete effort. I thought, honest, honestly, at times I thought the intensity of this box team wasn't there. I thought, dame, when he came back from injury that game that they won, game three damian lillard played defense and that's how I knew he wanted it because he had, I believe, in that game three had a couple of block shots in game three. There he was getting after guys and I was like, all right, dame wants to play, dame wants this series, he's just coming back and he's playing harder than anybody else on the floor. Yeah, he had two blocks on the game there. He was playing great and then he got banged up and he got hurt and I it absolutely sucks like to to be in the shoes.
Speaker 1:That dame was, I mean, not just a basketball injury, but you're talking about a life-threatening injury that he had to start and then he clears that, comes back, he does everything he can to get back everything in his power and bam, and it just, I mean, man, I don't think anybody out there deserves something like that. That was it just sucked, it just absolutely sucks. And man, man, oh man, I I do hope he comes back. I really do. I do hope he comes back because the comeback story of damian lennon, I feel like it's going to be something right, it's going to be something exciting. I just got that feeling right. He's not done and he's going to come back and he's going to light the world on fire one more time.
Speaker 1:Now the question is is it in milwaukee, is it elsewhere? That's what we're gonna find out here. Uh, coming up in this next season, this next offseason, going in the next season and everything like that. So I mean any, any final touches. You want to put a bow on this kyle, anything with the bucks here. I know we're gonna talk more bucks here next week. We're gonna get full, everything like that, stuff like that. But anything else you got to say to wrap us up here.
Speaker 3:I mean, look, it's terrible how it ended this season, but you got to remind yourself. Not that long ago you were at the top of the hill winning that title and, as bad as it seems right now, there's a lot of big markets that haven't been able to do that. So it may stink right now, but part of being a fan is you got to be there when it's great and when it's not. And, once again, as someone who's a Celtics fan, plenty of that I had to go through before that L8 title and even in the years up until the one last year. But that's what makes being a fan so fun is going through the highs and lows. When it's at the low, you're grasping onto every little positive thing where you're just looking at a young player and going I like his game, I'll watch it just for him, and then you see that player develop. Maybe they get moved out for some superstar, but it stinks. Now. Better days are definitely wisconsin sports fandom.
Speaker 1:There's it's a cycle, and we're at the point where we're just hoping for the brewers to do something for us. That's all right it. We could be worse. We could be the rockets. The last time the rockets put together a good team, steph curry ruined that. Now Steph Curry's ruining it again. We'll see what happens there. I mean bang, go get them, steph. Like I said, I just dislike the Pacers and I dislike the Rockets. Just watching both teams play just absolutely drives me nuts and I'm just hoping that Steph takes care of the Rockets and I'm hoping that the Cavs just absolutely blow the Pacers out of the water. That is my hope. Both those things happen there.
Speaker 3:It would be great.
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Speaker 1:Who do we like? Who are we liking right now? Who are we, you know, high on at this very moment in the NL and the AL? Who you like in right now between these teams? I mean, right now I'm seeing the Yankees up top in the, in the in the AL East I see the Tigers up top of the central and the West. We got the Mariners up top there and then, surprisingly, the Mariners up top. We got the Mets up top in the East in the NL, the Cubs in the central and then the giants up top in the West right now, tied with the Dodgers there. So what are you liking right now as you're looking around those divisions?
Speaker 3:I mean, look, I know West. I think is interesting because like you look at the standings it's like they're all just beating up on the poor Rockies. But one thing to watch the Dodgers have kind of a crisis with their starting, pitching Like they're losing guys at an alarming rate. I think what Glassnow, snell are all hurt and I think they only have like four active starters. Nice are all hurt and I think they only have like four active starters. So it's like are they going to kind of slip a little bit? But they're obviously going to be a team that, if they are healthy, will be contenders along the way.
Speaker 3:I mean, look, I'm a Red Sox fan. Yes, I do live in the Atlanta area. The Braves are quietly turning their season around. They started 0-7. I think they're 8 of their last 10 and 13 of their last 20 that they've won. They've gotten themselves somewhat back into that race and I think that's a scary thing to think about because the Braves have all the talent in the world. They just dealt with some injuries early on and some guys getting off to slow starts, but if they get it going, I think that division becomes Mets and Braves.
Speaker 3:I think the Phillies. I think there's some questions about them as well. Um, you know the Central. The Cubs are up there. Look, the Central is that division, I think, aln, nl. You just never know, like you don't want to count anybody out of it right now, because you get two weeks of good baseball, you find yourself at the top of the division. So the Cubs have it right now. I think it is, you know, kind of fun seeing the Reds up there. You know Ellie and all that. It's just good to see the Reds, like I said, up there playing well, fine. But you still got to wonder who do you actually trust in this division? I would still lean on Cubs and Brewers, because we've seen those two teams and the Reds have done this before start off well, slowly fade away. So I I feel like in the in the end it's going to be Cubs, brewers fighting it out for that division and usually the Pirates are hanging out there too.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean the Pirates usually start a little hotter than this. So I'm kind of scared of the Pirates. They're going to go on that opposite. They're going gonna start out cold and then all of a sudden turn it on after in august. There I mean, yeah, you said a beautiful thing there.
Speaker 1:And this is where a lot of brewer fans are at right now. The brewers, they've lost I mean it's been ugly as of late four of their last 10, as we're recording here on tuesday, of course. So just, I mean they're gonna beat, I, they should, they should beat the white socks. They're winning seven to two right now in the ace. So they should have that win, so they should have another win on that tally. But they've struggled as of late, struggled in that series against giants, struggled against the cardinals. I mean it's just been that kind of little stretch there. And a lot of brewer fans I mean freaking out, cubs are gonna run away at the division. I mean that's what they're talking right now c Cubs are going to run away with it. Oh, my goodness, what are we going to do? And you mentioned something great the Braves right Started out 0-7. Injuries galore. Look at the Brewers pitching staff what they had in spring training for a starting pitching staff versus what they had at the start of the year.
Speaker 1:They had one guy left freddie, that's it. Who was chad patrick? I mean, nobody knows this guy. Who's chad patrick? Who's tyler alexander? Who's? I mean they're bringing up logan henderson. Who's that guy? Elvin rodriguez was pitching. They're like I mean we're digging to the bottom of the barrel. We're waiting for jose cantana to come back. We're waiting for this guy and it's like waiting, waiting, wait. What are we gonna do? Goodness gracious, and it's just. I mean, we had to just breathe, just relax. Christian Yelich, he's hitting now. He's got five bombs to his name. He's been hitting well but hasn't really turned on the Jets yet. William Contreras hasn't been hitting well. Reese Hoskins is on a burner. Reese Hoskins is burning up right now. We've had injuries in the outfield. Now Garrett Mitchell gets banged up again. Jackson Turio is striking out left and right. I think he's only got two walks on the entire year. There's a lot of things that have to settle into place and the bullpen hasn't been great. There's a lot of things that have to settle in right now.
Speaker 1:Once they do, then we can freak out. But until that happens, until we get you know past, what are we at right now, after tonight's game? They're at 29 games right now, so they'll be at 30. As of tomorrow, they'll be at 30 games in to an 162-game season. Let's dial it back, guys. Let's chill, chill, take that chill pill, relax, right, aaron Rodgers, relax, we're okay.
Speaker 1:I mean, am I off base Kyle? I mean, dude, I love fandom. I'm that same kind of fan. I love to freak out with every loss. I love to get excited with every win. But I've come to the point, too, where it's like this is 162, this is not. This is not a sprint, this is a. This is a marathon, this is a. You're gonna walk at some point and you're gonna get a drink of water at some point and you might have to sit down at some point. Like that is what this is. It is not a, it is not. We're just gonna run to the finish line. We're there's gonna be some bumps and bruises along the way. Am I wrong with what I'm saying there?
Speaker 3:No, because when I look at the baseball schedule and the standings and everything there's three days you really only care about the first time. You should even think about panicking. Where is your team? Memorial Day you get to Memorial Day weekend. If you're in it, fine. If you're like double-digit games, out of it, maybe you throw in the white towel. Then after that July 4th you get to July 4th weekend, then you take another look at where your team is and then the last time you look is Labor Day, because by Labor Day you need to start getting into playoff mode. So we haven't gotten to Memorial Day yet. The Brewers are still in it.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't freak out and look Red Sox start off slow, because you even talk about Yelich. Yelich is starting to hit. Rafi Devers had a horrific start to the season. He's starting to get it going. So it's too soon to try to come come to conclusions on your team right now because, yeah, the pitching staff is beat up, but hey, some of these guys who you never heard of might make a name for themselves and you look even better guys in the lineup. They get hot, maybe with the weather getting warmer, you never know. So, yeah, no reason to panic.
Speaker 1:brewers fans right, and it's the summer of sal. It's summer of sal, frelix, so we're fine, it's just. It's, that's what we're calling. It's the summer of sal, and you know what this? There is one scary part. I will say there's one scary part. I don't know if the nl central is going to get a wild card team, just because I look across the rest of these teams right if the mets continue to ball out right, the Phillies are definitely going to be in it and so are the Braves.
Speaker 1:So you got three teams right there are going to be cruising in it. You look at the West Giants, dodgers, padres, diamondbacks are going to be right there. So you have four teams that you can realistically say could be in a wildcard chase Cubs, brewers, maybe the Reds are still dangling, but I don't think so. But maybe right. I mean I don't know realistically if the NL Central does get two teams into the playoffs. So that's if you want to worry. Maybe I'm worried about that, maybe I'm worried like we have to win the division to get in. I could see that I think the NL Central is going to come down to. They have to win the division to get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1:Just because I'm looking at the rest of these teams and I don't see the Phillies ending up as a team way outside the wildcard picture. I don't see the Braves, the Dodgers, definitely not. Padres. I don't see them finishing outside the picture. And the Diamondbacks are a darn good team. So I think all those teams Giants too They've been playing good ball here to start the season. So been playing good ball here to start the season. So I think all these teams are going to be. This is going to be, I think, out of all the years when I'm looking at it early on if all goes well, right for every team and nobody gets hurt, which is, you know, knock on wood.
Speaker 1:We don't pray for injury or anything, but I mean, if everything goes according to that kind of you know thing there, I this could be a crazy year for the nl. This could be a really crazy year, I don't know. I I was going to look over the AL quick. Like the AL, I don't Yankees, red Sox, eh, like right, and then the Tigers and Guardians, and then Seattle and the Astros. Like the AL isn't as crazy to me. Like there isn't going to be that much of a race for that finish. I think the AL is going to be an absolute gauntlet of a race. I think at one point we're gonna look after the all-star break and we're gonna look at the wild card picture and there's gonna be phillies, braves, reds, brewers, dodgers, padres down there's gonna be probably seven or eight teams alive in the wild card race.
Speaker 1:And that is nuts. That is nuts. That doesn't just happen. That's crazy. That's craziness right there. So I mean, what do you think, kyle? You think it's gonna be a crazy race to the finish here? That's craziness right there. So I mean, what do you think?
Speaker 3:kyle, you think it's gonna be a crazy race to the finish here, yeah, and like I said, even with that, I would save probably that for july 4th to really start thinking, because, look, there's a good chance that you have four teams in the nls that are like competing right now there, there, there might be one of those teams that falls off because the other three start beating them up and they fall a little bit out of it. So I think for the brewers you're like your path might be. You know, three teams out of the west, two from your division and then two from the nles.
Speaker 3:That's your hope yep now somebody can spoil that obviously, because let's say it is Mets and Braves and then the Phillies kind of turn their season back around. That could play spoiler or, like the Diamondbacks, actually stay in it a little bit longer. So I think, ultimately I think they will get a wild card, even if it's like the last wild card. But yeah, I'm expecting like Labor Day, looking at this and seeing six, seven teams separated by a game, game and a half, or something like that.
Speaker 3:I think that's where we're heading in the NL AL, I agree is a little bit more defined as to who the better teams are versus the not so good. With a couple of exceptions, the Rays are playing much better uh, it was a little yankee stadium that they're playing in and the a's I feel like the a's have talent. So if they were to hang around I I guess I wouldn't be surprised by that. But the al west is so weird that the manners are leading it now, but they did this last year and then the astros had to come from the bottom and and pass them. The astros are actually just hanging around right now and this isn't even like a great astros team. So I think of both sides there'll be some great races, but I do think the nl will be the more compelling race when we get to september I can't wait.
Speaker 1:I don't know what labor day is, because I don't get a labor day, but like, that's cool, that's cool, we'll just say, yeah, first week of september, that's first week of september. There you go, hey, you'll make me feel better.
Speaker 1:Make me feel better so yeah, I mean it's going to be an exciting race there. I want to talk a little brewers here. We're gonna talk. Start talking a little brewers and talk a little brewers here.
Speaker 1:On the last backside of this last break here, but thought so, pat Murphy pulls Sal Frelick and he pulls Durbin out of a game here against the Giants. There's a couple errors that happened. It was just gross baseball that they played in San Francisco and Pat Murphy pulled Frelick and Durbin out. He said these guys, they're gamers, they're better than this. I love that.
Speaker 1:I saw somebody on Facebook I believe they were telling me that. You know, wow, why would you do that? Two of your best players, you're going to pull them out of a game. You're right, two of the better players, right.
Speaker 1:But I think Pat Murphy runs this thing like it's a well-knit team and when two of the pieces of that team ain't working and they're slacking off or they're not competing or they're not doing something right, the rest of it's going to fail along with them. You sit them down. They're both still young guys. You sit them down. You say, hey, this is what happens. I can start you just as fast as I can sit you. I expect you can't expect perfection, because nobody's perfection right, but you can expect their best and what you know that they can do and simple, common, like mistakes. Sometimes that can happen and you want to nip that in the bud as fast as you possibly can. So I agree with Pat Murphy pulling them and sitting them down and saying, all right, I'm sending a message. I want to send a message, and that's the thing too, is that these I mean Frelick's been fantastic this season hitting the baseball and durbin's been great since coming up.
Speaker 1:Another thing that you prove with that is I don't care who you are right, I don't, I I would sit. Yellich, he starts, he misses a ball. He missed that ball in the outfield against the giants it's. I mean you gotta, you gotta send that message like hey, we got to focus, we got to pull it together and write the ship, because when that whole crap was going on right, they went on that little bit of a losing streak there and it was just terrible baseball I mean defensively, some of the worst baseball.
Speaker 1:Pat Murphy said it some of the worst baseball he's seen in 10 years of this team. You need your veterans to come in and say all right, guys, we got to right this ship. What are we going to do? How are we going to fix this right? Because that's what I feel like this team's missing at times right now is that constant leader to show them hey, this is what we got to do, this is where we got to get to right. Reese hoskins, yellich contraris, in that locker room, in everybody's ears, telling them hey, this is where we got to be right. That's what I need to see out of this team right now and that's where I feel like Pat Murphy was trying to tell them guys, all right, let's figure it out. So I mean, kyle, what do you think? Do you like the message that Pat Murphy was trying to send there by benching those two guys?
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. When you look at any coach, manager, whatever, you got to set the tone, you got to set the tone, you got to set standards, you got to establish the culture. And when you're dealing with 162 games, one bad habit from one player can seep into another player and then you go from one off day to a week to two weeks and you find yourself way out of it. So it's either you kind of nip it in the bud early, hopefully you turn it around, and yeah, other guys on the team who may be a utility guy waiting for their one or two days every couple of weeks, will see that oh, he's not going to let the star players or the better players on his team slip. That means I can't do it because they're more expendable than I am. So if I do it, I could be AAA or something, and that will make the other guys hold each other accountable as well, because the guys see what the manager wants them to do.
Speaker 3:Your leaders on the team, if they see a guy slipping, it may not even have to get to the manager. They can pull him aside and be like look, you know what you're doing is not right. We've got to get it together we're trying to win something, we're trying to make some noise come October. So I love when managers do that. Unfortunately, it seems like in today's sports culture, where sometimes coaches and managers feel like their hands are tied behind their back because the athletes have a lot of power with the money that they make. So it also shows that he's also comfortable enough with the front office giving him that power to sit a guy that sure might have to be a star on this team, but they're not going to sit there and overreact and be like, oh what are you doing with this group? Like I love seeing that. It's stuff that you know guys need to do a little bit more.
Speaker 1:I agree, I agree, and Pat Murphy's an old dude so he doesn't care. What are they going to do fire?
Speaker 3:him, he'll go back home. My old school mentality, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, see you later. You want to fire? We're going to come back here after the break. We're going to wrap it up for the day here. We've got a little bit more Brewer Talk here, some quick updates and everything like that. I've got one more question for Kyle and then we're going to wrap it up for the day here. So we'll be right back here on Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trage.
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Speaker 1:So we went into the break. We were talking Brewers a little bit there. Just some tidbits I wanted to go over here. Injury update report Aaron Savallee started throwing live BP in Appleton, so that's great news there getting Aaron Savallee back up and throwing there. Aaron Ashby's throwing an Arizona through two innings of live hitters there. Not many people excited about getting Aaron Ashby back, but I mean it's another pitcher, so be excited there a little bit because we don't have a lot of them to talk about.
Speaker 1:Brandon Woodruff threw a great. He had 61 pitches through five innings. He was fantastic in his last outing at Nashville Mechanics health standpoint great. One problem One problem he was tired. He was extremely tired coming out of the game. He hasn't pitched really a lot since 2023. So if you want to say like, oh my God, why is he tired? He hasn't really pitched a lot since 2023, since he got hurt. So I mean mean it's tough, it is really tough to come back from that. So there is still a little bit of a recovery that's still got to happen here for brandon woodrow, because you can't come up to the big league level and only throw 61 pitches as a starter and be tired, like that's not going to work out too well. So they're going to keep building them up right. Five innings was great, 61 pitches, nothing of his mechanics, his mechanics, velocity, everything like that was off, like he feels good. It's just he's tired and and that's going to come with it, so it's a slow recovery and he, he hasn't I mean, he hasn't been back on the mound for the Brewers since 23rd, 22, 2023. So it's been a long time. So I mean, just wait and see with it. Just wait and see with it. So brandon woodruff, on that slow comeback trailer, gary mitchell is going to be back here as soon as possible, right? So the brewers, they're banged up right now. They got some banged up guys, but slowly getting some good news out of some of these guys. So that's some good stuff there.
Speaker 1:Uh, kyle, I had one more question for you.
Speaker 1:We got a couple minutes here before we got to wrap it up. I was talking to ummer earlier and we're talking about the draft and mel kuyper absolutely I, I and this I'm gonna say making an absolute fool of himself across dspn for multiple days now it's been like three days and he is just making an absolute fool of himself. Reese davis finally had enough stones out of anybody to finally put his foot down and say like, dude, stop. And I I love that when him and reese were going back, for the reese is just like I I don't know what else you want me to say. Like we're not arguing with you, mel, we're not arguing with you, we're just telling you like now he's got to prove it.
Speaker 1:What are your thoughts on mel and his this whole? He's spits bad. He's having about your door sanders and how he should have been drafted higher, and the ml or the nfl has no idea what they're doing. Even though that, why is Mel Kiper not a part of the NFL? Why is he not in NFL? You know any one of the scouts for any one of these teams why is he not getting paid big money? I don't know why, because apparently he knows more in the NFL.
Speaker 3:So, kyle, give me your thoughts on Mel so far there's a reason why Mel doesn't work for a team, because Mel also thought Jimmy Claussen was a no doubt about it like QB star and we saw what happened with his career. And look the Shador Sanders stuff like I've talked about on other shows. It's just like the Colorado Buffaloes were non-existent until Deion got there, brought some culture, brought celebrities and some fringe college football. So even probably people who don't know a thing about college football Colorado became their team. So a lot of fans, as we'll say, like they might have liked the NFL, didn't really get into college football until Shador and all of them turned it into like Hollywood. They kind of overrated Shador and all of them turn it into like Hollywood. They kind of overrated Shador. And I think Mel did the same thing and maybe it's something where Mel maybe knows Dion personally or had a or ran in with him, thinks he's a nice guy, so maybe he overinflated Shador.
Speaker 3:Plus he does mock drafts. He doesn't want to look like an idiot. Because he mocked Shador to the first round, he goes in the fifth round so he's going to fight on that hill. He would fight on that hill for two weeks if the draft was two weeks long. So my whole thing has been he went in the fifth round. A lot of people don't think he should have. He heard his name called Get to work now. Beat out Dylan Gabriel, beat out Kenny Pickett, you know, be Joe Flacco's backup and then ultimately take the job away from him. If that happens, who cares where he was drafted? Tom Brady was in the sixth round. He turned into a pretty good player. Brock Purdy was Mr Irrelevant. Look what he did for his career. He turned into a pretty good player. Brock Purdy was Mr Irrelevant. Look what he did for his career. So you take that, motivate yourself, get to work Now yeah, so Mel Kiper needs to chill Agreed Just because he was wrong.
Speaker 3:It's okay.
Speaker 1:Drop that mic on him, Kyle. Drop it Bam bam. Take some of that, Mel. Take some of that. He should just be let go. I'm done with mel. I'm done with mel there on espn. They can find many different guys to listen to there, but hey kyle.
Speaker 1:Thank you, as always, for stopping by a little extra kyle tonight here with all kinds of stuff we want to talk about tonight here. It was great having kyle on. Guys, hey, make sure you're checking us out across the podcast platforms itunes, spotify, youtube, youtube wherever you get podcasts. If you missed any of the show, you can listen back to it on any one of those platforms. Just search Wisconsin Sports on the go with Trey. But, hey, until next time, until next Wednesday. I hope you guys enjoy your night. We are out of here, see you.