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June 18 show: Breaking Down Wisconsin Sports: From Brewers Tension to Packers Future
This is Wisconsin sports on the go with trade, your place for all things. Wisconsin sports, now your host. How we doing everybody and welcome into Wisconsin sports on the go with Trage. I'm your host, trage. We're coming back on this Wednesday, june 18th, a fantastic Wednesday here in the great state of Wisconsin. It's been a little bit of rainy, a little rainy as of late here, but I mean they tell me it's supposed to warm up over the weekend so it's going to feel like summer's finally here. It's been kind of crazy. I mean just the weather has not really gotten, I mean much better and it's. It's been nice at times, but just not really hot. It hasn't been a hot summer yet. So we'll see if it finally starts to warm up a little bit out there and we start to get that summer weather here as we get towards the end of june, into july already here. So, as always, I hope you guys enjoyed your weekend. I hope you enjoyed your father's day weekend.
Speaker 1:I got a great gift, my little man and the wife. They got me a little necklight, a Milwaukee necklight. It's got LED lights on it. It was a fantastic gift. And then a little card with his handprints in there and everything like that. So it was awesome, awesome Father's Day there. Spent it early in the morning with him. I think we woke up. I think me and the wife were up about she was up before me there about two in the morning. Then I got up about three o'clock because he just he wasn't, he wasn't ready for bed, right. So I went, I laid him down in bed and he woke back up. So we sat awake for a long time then for the rest of the day. So that was great it was. It was a good weekend. I mean he's been great and everything like that there.
Speaker 1:So over the weekend I went down to Foreman's. Make sure you guys are shopping out of Foreman's. They're sponsored the show here, get all your landscaping supplies and everything like that. But I stopped down at Foreman's this weekend. They had customer appreciation. Hopefully you guys made it down there too. They had, I mean, a great, great stuff. They had a little bit of a grill out kind of thing going on. They had hot dogs and they we're going to have Casa M joining us here on the show as a sponsor and they used some Casa M spices and the relish was just fantastic. So it was just a fantastic customer appreciation.
Speaker 1:And actually I met Dustin from Warm Kids Wisconsin, the charity group that we're a part of here, on the show. Dustin from Warm Kids Wisconsin was there and when I tell you, I mean he was down there for customer appreciation. He texted me. He's like, hey, I'm going to stop down there, I want to see what's going on in Foreman. So he stopped down and there's going to be a donation jar there. So if you guys are looking to donate to Warm Kids Wisconsin, look into them, look across social media, follow them across social media and then make sure you're donating out to the cause out there. If you be awesome, it'd be awesome trip right.
Speaker 1:But I met dustin from warp kids wisconsin and he had his little boy down there and I mean they listening to him. I mean everything that he has to say about him, his wife and his family and everything like that. He is just, it's a fan, he's a fantastic person. They're fantastic uh group of people over there and their cause. I learned more about it. You know, I I've, I've watched the videos. You watch them over that tiktok. He does great videos on TikTok and everything like that and I mean just a great guy all the way around and he was telling me more about what they do and what they're about.
Speaker 1:Right, and everybody thinks, okay, warm Kids, wisconsin, they're about coats. No, they're about snow pants and boots. A lot of people do coats, a lot of people do snow pants and boots. And when they give you snow pants and anything like that, where kids are going to freeze within five minutes, no, they get the good stuff. They get the good stuff. They make sure that they go out and they get the good brands and the good styles and everything like that. So, talking with him, they work directly with the schools. Now, they don't want to go, you know, person to person. It's hard to go to people these days because it's hard to trust people, right, you know they've had run-ins with scammers and stuff like that, so they try to avoid that. They work with schools directly.
Speaker 1:They're trying to expand and what they need is people. They need more people to be involved in it. They need groups like us you know anybody who can share them out to get their name out there, because look into them, see what they're about. They're about getting kids warm clothes for the winter. We know, as you know, adults, everything like that is it's, you know late in the night here, so the kids should be asleep. They shouldn't be listening to me talk right now, and if you are, how are you doing tonight? But anyways, we know as adults that kids it gets cold, we get cold, kids are going to get cold. They want to be outside. They want to play in the winter, they want to play in the snow. They need those warm clothes and that's where Warm Kids Wisconsin comes in. You can't get them. The school district will help. They'll find ways to get Warm Kids Wisconsin involved. That's what they need. So if you're a part of a school district out there and you see kids in need and stuff like that, definitely have them. Reach out to Warm Kids Wisconsin. They are more than willing to get in there. They want to expand as much as they can. I mean, the plans that they have are unreal. They want to get all the way over to Green Bay, be all over the state at some point here and all in other states at some point. So it's awesome the uh, uh what they're doing there and the quality of stuff and the quality of people that you'll be working with at warm kids Wisconsin. So make sure you are looking them up there, warm kids, wisconsin out there.
Speaker 1:I mean just, it was a fantastic weekend and when I got to meet him it just made it even better. I then he was coming to town. I was like I'll go meet you up there and just a fantastic person and a great guy to meet there. So make sure you're following him across social media there. But the weekend right, I mean we had nba finals going on. I want to talk about that a little bit today. I I think kyle's gonna come on later. I he's been under the weather so I don't know if kyle's gonna be able to stop by today and talk a little nba. So we might just talk a little nba here to start the day.
Speaker 1:But I mean nba finals going on. We had the brewers taking on the cardinals over the weekend. That was a interesting series. We got the series win, a big series win right, and then we had the little scuffle with wilson contraris. I want to talk about that today. So I want to get into that. I want to talk, like I said, a little nba, a little bit of bucks talk there. Uh, I, I maybe we'll get to the Badgers, that NCAA violation. I don't know if we'll get there today. We have lots to get into. Um, we're going to be stopping by. I want to talk a lot of Packers. We heard help ed policy talk. So I want to talk about what ed policy had to say there. We got I mean your dad's in the news. We got. I saw some comments by Peter Bukowski over there on his show there. So I mean lots to get into tonight here on the show.
Speaker 1:But, as always, the way that I love to start it here, coming off the weekend is what was grinding my gears. Coming off the weekend, what was grinding my gears and what was grinding my gears is I'm seeing a lot of people across social media, people across social media and they are they. They I don't want to say they abuse stats, but they. They come up with a lot of different stats that don't realistically mean anything to me at all. Right, so I I have this guy over on tiktok and he's he's a big rangers guy. I can't top my head. I'm trying to. I'm blanking on what the name of the show is called, but he's a big rangers guy and if I remember the name I'll spread it out there. But he's a big Rangers guy and if I remember the name, I'll spread it out there.
Speaker 1:But he made a video and he was talking about Corey Seager and everybody knows Corey Seager, he's a fantastic shortstop, fantastic baseball player, and he said that Corey Seager should be in the all-star conversation. Corey Seager is batting around 240, right around 240. He said that Corey Seager should be in the all-star conversation simply because his expected batting average, due to contact quality, is 290 plus. It's 290 plus. That's why he believes that Corey Seager should be in the all-star conversation. And I was like oh, okay, that I mean I, I guess so, like, but in my opinion, that means nothing. This expected, uh, I just the stats that they come up with nowadays. I mean, you look over, okay, let's go look at over. Okay, let's go look at for a second here. Let's just look at shortstops in the American League. Look at batting averages. Right now, jacob Wilson's batting 362. Jeremy Pena's batting 320. We see JP Crawford batting 293. Josh Smith, with Texas, is batting 288. Okay, so in all of that, I don't see where you would even throw. Where you throw cory seager in that group, you don't, you don't, there's no, there's no spot where it's like oh yeah, he's hitting better than this guy. So I I see what he's saying. We're like look at joey ortiz.
Speaker 1:As of late you want to talk about a guy who's making some hard contact, who's got some unlucky streak. Right now it's joey ortiz. I mean, he's making hard contact. He's flew up to the wall a couple times against cardinals. He had a couple hard hit balls against the cubs there in game one. I mean he's been hitting the ball better. It's just he's hitting right at guys.
Speaker 1:So I get you know the the argument of some guys are just having bad luck, but bad luck does not equal all-star. Just because you haven't expected, well, you expect them to get it. Yeah, okay, it's expected to be hit, but a guy who caught it. So you got to find a way to either hit it over them or hit it on the ground, whatever it is. You got to find a way to get on. You. Flying out to the warning track doesn't look any better than you flying out to the middle infielders. It doesn't I mean end of the day, realistic, like, okay, looking at in a grand scheme of things, if you fly out to the wall, it looks a lot better than flying out to the second baseman. But at the same time, what's it really add up in the scorebook isn't out unless if there's runners on and you drove me with a sack fly, it realistically means nothing. So, and it's not just, I'm not, just, I don't want to call him out. He's a great guy. Like I don't want to call it, just him out on this one.
Speaker 1:But there's a lot of people out there who it just seems like lately just abuse stats and are like oh, this stat, you know, these stats, all these that like, uh, war for a while there, you know, wins above replacement that got created not too long ago. I mean, they add ops and there's a lot of different. They just add crap together like this and this and this OPS and on base percentage and slugging and war. And you got there's so many, it's too many stats, it's it's hard to even keep up and they're like, oh well, he's better in this and this and it's like I don't even care about that stat, like what happened to just batting average and home runs and doubles and what happened to that? Why, on base percentage is good enough, but like what, what is all these? It's just too many stats and too many stats to rely on. And then now you got people saying that guys are good just because they're expected to, that they should have an average like this. It's like, no, they don't have an average like that though, so it doesn't really matter. So I guess I don't know. That just kind of grinds my gears as people abusing stats in that way by saying, oh well, this guy deserves to be this because of this, I, I just I, I don't like that. Outside of that, the other one you know this weekend was not that bad. I don't have a lot that's grinding my gears, I guess coming up, the thing that's grinding my gears more than anything right now is construction.
Speaker 1:Construction has got. I get everybody's going to be like, well, trey, come on, it's summer. You know Wisconsin's got a lot of construction. I get that. But you know, greenwood, the Blue Bridge is out On 73, going out of town, they got bridges out going to the north there, and then I mean the sidewalks are being redone and everything like that. And then 29, when you get up there, going both directions, there's construction both ways for like miles on end and they're only working on one mile of the road. It's like got cones lined up 30 miles up there and we're working on one mile. Why do we got cones for the whole 30? I don't know. Construction sometimes just irritates me because for months on end, you, you know that there's gonna be construction there, but nobody's there. It's just cones lined up and you're like, okay, when are they gonna start construction? Oh, it says this date. It's like, oh, and also, knh corners is shut down. That's screwing up everything.
Speaker 1:I was working at a farm the other day. Um, it was literally the farm that I was at. I had to go to a different one and they were like five miles apart, but it ended up being like a 20 minute trip because the intersection was shut down so I couldn't go across. I had to go all the way around. It was just like, sometimes that just irritates me. So, yeah, that's that was grinding my gears over the weekend. And there's just all this stinking road construction. I get it, it's summertime in Wisconsin, you're going to have road construction, but at the same time, oh man, it just irritates me, it just absolutely irritates me with all this construction. So that's grinding my gears coming off the weekend.
Speaker 1:I want to get to a little top of the hour because the NBA finals is heating up right now. Kyle, I, like I said I don't know if Kyle's gonna be able to stop by tonight here. If he does, we'll talk. We'll get more into this because you guys know how in-depth Kyle loves to get with the, with the NBA and the NBA playoffs here. But I don't know if he's gonna stop by, so I just want to kind of talk about it today. So the Thunder took game five. Game six is scheduled for Thursday. It's's going to be in indiana. If the thunder win, they get their first championship in a long time. It's been a long time.
Speaker 1:You think about the teams that they've had. Look about the I mean kevin durantz and james harden and russell westbrook team that they couldn't get it done and they blew the lead. Right now we look at them. It's like, okay, this young gun team with shay gildress and I mean williams played fantastic. Mean, you got Chet Holmgren on that team. Alex Caruso has been playing great for them in the playoffs here. So you have a younger team right now than we saw there and they got a chance to give the Thunder the first championship in a while.
Speaker 1:There, the Pacers same boat, but the Pacers backs against the wall. They haven't been to this point in this postseason very often the Pacers, and right now I I mean they're kind of working with tyris halbert and was hurt last game there. I don't know. I was kind of when they told me he was hurt and the thunder were up by a boatload and I know they came back and made it close. The pacers did. But I would have just said tyrus halbert and like why risk it? If he was that, if he was injured and that's what was affecting his game and that's why he had zero points. I mean at one point I think it was at half or something like that I mean just I wouldn't have had him out there.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I don't like the Pacers. I don't like Tyrus Halbert. You guys all know that. But at the same time I'm like he's one of your best players and he's been playing well in the playoffs. Do you really want to lose him for the rest of it? The Thunder heading to Indiana. They're going to have a 3-2 series lead right now. Have a little bit of breathing room.
Speaker 1:When the Pacers won Game 3, I honestly, kyle and I were texting back and forth and we were talking about it and I was like Kyle. I said if I'm the Thunder, I'm nervous right now because the way the Pacers looked in Game 3 and the way the Thunder looked, it looked like Pacers could win Game 4. They could be up 3-1 in this series and then the Thunder would be backs against the wall. Not having been in this situation very often throughout the season we talked about that with the Thunder is that they're a team who I mean, look at their margin of victory. All season long they blew teams out. They blew teams out a lot.
Speaker 1:So the way that it was kind of shaping up here it was like you know the pacers, if they can take a 3-1 series lead, this is a team in the thunder that hasn't really been backs against the wall too often, but they I mean they're backs against wall 2-1 and they found a way to win game four and then they won game five. So I mean just some impressive games out of thunder. We'll see if they can wrap it up game six coming up here on thursday if they need it. Game seven would be Sunday there and then, when Kyle comes back, if he, if he's not here today, like I said, if he doesn't stop by today when we come back next week we'll be able to talk about the wrap-up of the NBA finals, wrap of the season there, and then we'll also be able to look ahead to what we're going to see this offseason there, because we had I mean, there's a lot of crazy stuff that's been happening, uh, with the NBA right now and I want to get into a lot of it next week there with Kyle.
Speaker 1:But I was asked the question of what would you grade the NBA finals this year versus past years? And I, you know this is the question that's been passed around by a lot of people on Twitter and a lot of people on Facebook and that I've thoroughly enjoyed this playoff series. There's no Steph, there's no LeBron. There's no Katie. There's none of that crazy. There's nobody Alex Caruso. There's no KD. There's none of that craziness. There's nobody Alex Caruso right, he's there. Outside of that, there's nobody. That's like they've been finals and you know it's not the repetitive motion that we were in with the Cavs Warriors for a year and they made that meme where it was like 2075 Cavs Warriors again. Like we're not in that mode right now.
Speaker 1:We have two young gun teams, two who you know stars are going to get their first championship. Is it going to be Shea? Is it going to be Tyrese, you know. Are we going to see Indiana win their first in a while? Are we going to see, you know, a team like Oklahoma City win their first in a while? It'd be. It's an awesome year. I would say so. I would. I would say probably about a B plus. I mean I don't like the Pacers are there, so I'll give it a B plus. Outside of that, I love what I've seen. This has been an exciting finals. The games have been close compared to the rest of the playoffs. They've been good games. They've been close. So I've enjoyed this finals thoroughly. I really have. So that's about it. Yeah, that's all we're going to get into the NBA right now. We'll see if Kyle stops by today. If he can't, we'll talk more NBA next week here on the show. But we got.
Speaker 1:I want to talk a little bit of Brewers. We're going to talk Brewers here when we come back. I want to talk about Wilson Contreras, that whole situation from what I saw over this weekend there. I want to talk a little bit of the Cards series, talk about a little bit of Brewer talk. Are they buyers or sellers Later on here. And then I want to get to the Packers here with Ummer.
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Speaker 1:So I want to get to what we saw over the weekend and the big thing that a lot of that does. You know, actually it probably had a lot of major league baseball kind of stirring, because they live for excitement. I saw MLB now was talking about it a little bit there and that was the situation with wilson contreras. Caleb durbin was involved, kid you not. Caleb durbin doesn't seem like I would really get involved in that, but caleb durbin was involved. Reese hoskins, of course, was involved and so if anybody missed the game, I'm guessing most people have seen the clip and everything like that by now. But wilson contreras is ground ball, durbin grounds out and throw it first in time, everything like that. Durbin's running down the line and wilson contraris gets the ball at first instead of stepping forward away from the baseline, anything like that. He steps backwards into the baseline, kind of and you know, I, I, he, I, I, he doesn't play first base. So I had a lot of people, you know, tell me across social media it's like oh well, he's not an actual first baseman, so he doesn't know. You don't know.
Speaker 1:After you make an out, no matter where you are, why would you step into the baseline, like when I watch it? Was it intentional? No, I don't think it was intentional. I really don't. Did it look worse than what it was? Yes, and why? The way that Wilson Contreras acted after the situation? If you run into Caleb Durbin, you didn't mean it, right. Caleb Durbin, like even Wilson Contreras said, caleb Durbin's a young guy, first year in the league. Why would I be trying to hurt him, right? I don't want to hurt him. It's his first year, okay, okay. So after you knock him down, you just basically walked away. You kind of walked out and then you started chirping with the Brewers dugout. Doesn't make it look better, right? Then Hoskins gets hit, then Contreras gets hit and then Contreras, you know, puts ball in Quintana's glove, runs down first and him and Hoskins are having a little conversation down there and we hear after it was all said and done there.
Speaker 1:We hear Wilson Gutierrez after the game in a press conference and he had some choice words for the media about what was said. And you know, Reese Hoskins, when they asked him, reese is like it's, you know, whatever. Whatever happened happened Like he didn't. He didn't say anything. Basically, he's like it's, you know, whatever. Whatever happened happened Like he didn't say anything. Basically, he's like it's over, like nothing, really. Nothing Professional, right, moved away as a professional. And they I mean Caleb Durbin, nothing really.
Speaker 1:Wilson Gutierrez acted like an entitled child. That's as basic as I can put it. He acted like he was a child after all this happened, saying some choice words after the game and saying, well, you know, they have all this stuff to say when I'm a distance away, but then when I'm up in their face, well then they have nothing to say. And I was looking for more. Really, why, why is that what you want out of that situation? Why couldn't you just be a grown-up here, because you have been in the league for a while? Why can't you just be a grown-up and just say oh, you know? Hey, durbin, sorry, I just stepped backwards in a line. That's my bad. That's my bad. Instead, you act like a child. That's the way that I looked at it. To be honest with you, he is.
Speaker 1:I mean, I love William Contreras. I think William Contreras is a great dude, great personality, everything like that. I think his brother is the exact opposite in a grade A hole. That's it Not a nice guy. I won one of my teams. I mean we go back in the history. This isn't the first time. I think it was four years ago the Brewers hit him on back-to-back nights. I think Devin Williams got him up in the head or something like that, and I think he was hit by Boxberger then later in the game. And I mean it's not the first time that the Brewers have had a little scuffle with Contreras. It's just the Brewers, contreras, contreras is just, I mean, a nuisance, and not even a good nuisance Like nuisance like Paul Goldschmidt, good nuisance Like Paul Goldschmidt.
Speaker 1:The reason why I dislike Paul Goldschmidt when he plays the Brewers is Paul Goldschmidt seemed to get a hit. It doesn't matter who he was playing for, he could be batting 200 at the time and after that series was done you would have thought he was batting 400 going into the series. That's just Paul Goldschmidt over pool. Like you, you had those guys where they're like nuisances because they're good and then you just have a nuisance like wilson contreras because he's just a nuisance and he just wants to be and he does these childish things and he tries to tries to stir the pot. Why you try to stir a pot?
Speaker 1:You try to start a brawl and then to say, oh, reese hoskins didn't have nothing to show. I gotta tell you this right now I don't see reese hoskins as a dude. I reese hoskins doesn't seem like a dude where he's going to back down. No, he just had enough of you, nothing more that he wanted to say. He spoke his mind, told you what he thought, didn't think you played the position right, what you should have done, and you didn't act like a professional. When it was all said and done, what more did you want? So I don't get people defending.
Speaker 1:I saw a lot of Cardinal fans are like, oh, wilson was in the wrong here and it's like where was he then? What did you see there? I mean, what'd you see there? 7-1-5, 9-9-0, 4-9-1-4. That's 715-990-4914.
Speaker 1:What did you think of the Wilson Contreras situation? I mean I'm not trying to like overreact, because nothing really bad happened out of it. It was just I mean to see the amount of people who were like and then MLB Now is like and I agree with what they were saying where I didn't think it was intentional. I did not think that one second of that was intentional. I don't think he was trying to hurt Caleb Durbin. I just think he made a boneheaded decision over at first base because he's not used to playing there.
Speaker 1:And when he did it he acted in a way that was unprofessional when it was all said and done, like he was some tough guy, macho, macho tough guy. When, in all reality, dude, nobody cares. You just made yourself look like a fool because you can't just get away. It was an easy play, the play was done, you were about to stroll around the horn and instead of just stepping forward like the common person, would you step backwards into the line. Really, I mean, now you're basically like the machado situation when he tripped up on j Aguilar's foot. Basically, the same thing happened there. So I don't know. I'd love to hear what you guys got to say about that whole situation. There's 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. Let us know what you're thinking there about that situation.
Speaker 1:So, after all that happened, I had a question. It was about you know, after this happened, I had this question that was asked and it was who is on my Brewers all-time villains list, like those guys you just dislike, maybe because you're a Brewer fan, maybe you just dislike them because you're I mean, when you're a baseball fan you just dislike them. You don't like their way they play the game. What is your list of Brewer villains, like villains to you as a Brewer fan? And I got my list, I'd love to hear yours 715-990-4914. That's 715-990-4914. I'd love to hear your Brewers villains list. My list Simple. It's real simple. My list is real simple.
Speaker 1:Manny Machado I don't even know if I'm supposed to dislike him anymore, because I mean, honestly, what happened? It was a while ago. Most people are like why do they still boo him? I'm still going to boo him. I don't like him. To begin with, I thought what he did, he's got a dirty streak to him, so I don't like him. So, machado, greg Council's on my list. He's got to be. Greg is like I think we're fine off without Greg, but it's just the way that he went about it. And then he went to chicago out of all places, like the first that's where he went was chicago. That, yeah, that irked me the wrong way. So I still have this like I don't would not say like hatred, but dislike, and he's a villain.
Speaker 1:Jesse winker I don't know if I call him a villain as much as I would just say I dislike this dude with a passion. I just think he's annoying. Last year he was annoying. He had one hit in the entire series and one guy, one Mets fan, told me it was the biggest hit of the series. And it's like dude, it happened in the first inning of game one Like congratulations, I don't know why. Like congrats, game one that a boy like, oh god, like, settle down, settle down. So jesse winker, he's just stunk in milwaukee and then he leaves and he just becomes annoying like that, oh just yeah. So jesse winker, jeff mcneil is not really a villain, is more or less.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to put him on the list because it's funny that he's on there, him and reese hoskins going at it last season. That was hilarious. So I put jeff mcneil on thereavier Baez he made my list, javier Baez, just for his years with Chicago. Anymore, like he doesn't really bother me anymore, but those years with Chicago. He was a nuisance. He was just a nuisance. I just like when I can't remember it was that you know, throw to first and he like airmailed the first baseman by like 15 feet and threw it up into the net. And I was like, yeah, that's why we put the nets there, just for happy bias to throw it into. So they're happy bias on my life.
Speaker 1:Paul goldschmidt I talked about him a little bit earlier there. I mean just a brewer killer. It didn't matter what was going on, paul goldschmidt was gonna get in freddie freeman's in that same boat. For me it just seemed like freddie, freddie always hits the brewers, paul goldschmidt always hits the brewers. So I would say those two are kind of hand in hand, just always beat up on the brewers. I don't dislike them as people like I think freddie's a great dude. It's just when he plays milwaukee. I just I can. I mean he's always been.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I don't even know if like more of a nuisance, if anything. It's not like he beats up on the Brewers, he's just a nuisance to me at the end of the day. I mean with the Cubs he was a nuisance and now with the Cardinals it's just annoying. I mean and like I said before, situation it doesn't have to be what it is.
Speaker 1:Be a man for five seconds and just own up to your mistake, just apologize to Caleb Durbin, make sure he's okay. What if Caleb Durbin runs into him? And I know I'm talking to what ifs, right, and I told you guys earlier on my grind of my gears, not talking to what ifs, but what if Caleb Durbin gets hurt? What if he hurts, like I mean tears something. It's crazy, crazier things have happened. What if he tears something?
Speaker 1:And your first reaction is to what? Make sure he's okay. No, first reaction is to yelling. Oh well, first yellow Dermott's getting hot with you, so then he yelled there and then he yelled the dugout. That's your first reaction. Talk about a vet. Uh, that's not a vet. That's not a vet. I don't know what you would call that, but that's not a veteran. That's not a veteran move at all. That's a rookie hothead. I need to get myself in check move. So yeah, that's that's where I'm at with contrast. I just I, I hated that in every facet.
Speaker 1:It was more or less. It was more annoying than anything. Like I said, it was just, it was more of a nuisance than anything over the weekend. It's not like a brawl started out of it and you know he oh yeah, he responded with a home run. Great, whatever, I don't care that he responded with a home run. He should have responded with walking out to the field and saying to Contreras hey, make sure that your guy at third there is okay, just something simple like that. Instead, you and I love Contreras is like you know.
Speaker 1:Contreras didn't didn't like defend him at all, said some guys had to beef with him, whatever, like I. I love that too is contreras. He's got his boys back. It's not, it's his brother, like he said, it's his brother at the end of the day. But I got my guys back too. And the funny part would have been as if contreras would have decided oh, I gotta charge them out, because then the guy who would you know your catcher steps in between. So the guy who would have had a step in between Contreras going out there after Quintana would have been his brother telling him hey, let's settle down. That could have been.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I'd have to look up that stat. Maybe I'll look up that stat at the break there. Has there ever been a fight between family members in an MLB baseball game? That'd be interesting. I'll look that up during the break. So we're going to hit a commercial break, we're going to come back and I'm going to answer that question has there ever been a fight between family members at a baseball game? So we're going to, or between during a game. So I'm going to look at that. I'm going to find that answer there. But if you have anything you want to talk about, brewers, what you thought about the whole Wilson-Contr over the weekend there, anything like that hit us up 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. We're going to hit the break, we're going to come back, we're going to talk about that. We've got some pack stuff coming up. We've got all kinds of stuff coming up yet today here. So make sure you're coming back.
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Speaker 1:I asked the question. I said you know, I I didn't know if there had been any other family members that have like fought, because no family members fought. Should I say the question I had and if you missed any part of the show so far, make sure you're listening back tomorrow wherever you get podcasts out there to search wisconsin sports on the go trade across all podcast platforms. But I asked the question. I was like, well, you know, has there ever been? Because the guy who had a step in front of wilson contraris to go out, if he was going to charge him out, would have been william contraris, his brother. So has there ever been any family members to fight during a game?
Speaker 1:And I did a search I didn't really know how to phrase it right, but I did find out that there really hasn't been one in baseball. But but there has been some in hockey. There has been some in hockey Eric Lindros and his brother, the Hayes brothers, so there's been some hockey ones where some hockey brothers have fought. So that one kind of makes sense. Like you know, the whole hockey thing makes sense. Baseball would be hard. I mean who would have fought Like Ken Griffey and I? I baseball would be hard. I mean who would have fought like Ken Griffey and his dad? Like that'd been a bit of a rough fight. I mean there's been more duos than that. But I mean that'd be, there'd be some father son duos. That would have been a little odd, like throwing hands with your dad out there on the baseball field because I'm hit by pitch. But I mean, yeah, so that's all happened. So I just wanted to look that up. And yeah, so there's been NHL guys who have been in fights with their family members, but not in baseball or, I believe, in any other sport, from as far as I can see. So we'll see, we'll see. If one happens at some point, maybe we can talk about it.
Speaker 1:But anyways, we were talking about that series there and I kind of want to dive into that series that we watched because the Brewers it was a homestand, it was a five and five homestand. I mean, yeah, you took one out of three from San Diego, which I really wish they would have been able to win and put up some runs in one of those games of that series. Goodness, one nothing loss and a two nothing loss there, chad Pat, or uh, yeah, chad Patrick pitches fantastic for you. And then also you look at that same game there and then, uh, next game out there, you end up losing. Zastrinsky pitch pretty well, but still got the loss one nothing there. So I mean, yeah, a couple of games where it's like goodness, close losses, then the Braves blew you out twice. It blew you out twice. Those losses don't look great because the Braves, after that game with the Brewers, I mean they went out to Rockies. They won two but they lost that last one 10-1. That's the last one I seen there was a puck kicking there and the Braves have been, I mean, kind of scuffling on the year there. So it was a good time to take advantage of them with Ronald Acuna back, but I mean they've been scuffling this year out of the gates. So that was a series where it felt like the Brewers should have it. They got the win of Quinn Priester, who's been nothing but fantastic. I want to talk about Quinn Priester later on here.
Speaker 1:But then so you have that series with Braves. You kind of get blown out two games. They're 7-1 and 62 in game one and three, you the second game in there and then you had the Cardinals and it's like, okay, cardinals coming to town, this is a battle for second in the division. It feels like a series where you can't afford to drop three games or four Like you can't get swept. Really. You can't. It's home games and you can't really afford it. You can maybe afford a split, but a series win would be huge. And that's what the Brewers did.
Speaker 1:And it's all started with Jacob Mizorowski in a fantastic debut with the Brewers. There he goes. I mean just a strong performance all the way around. Mizorowski had there and the Brewers get the win six to nothing. You couldn't. You couldn't realistically ask for a better debut out of mizorowski there. I mean, you look at the box score here five innings, no hits, no earned runs, four walks, five strikeouts. I mean the pitch count wasn't bad for him there. It was simply because he had a little. He had, uh, what would you call it? A charlie horse, basically, or a uh, oh, uh cramp. He had a cramp and they were like, let's not risk this thing, let's get him out here. He's been great, let's get him out here. So they pull him out after five. And then nick mears came in, then ashby came in and shut the door. So a great game one. The brewers got all over the cardinals. They're six to nothing. And then game two rolled around, won that one? Three, uh, three to two. Game three.
Speaker 1:And this is where I've been looking across these different series, right, the San Diego series and then Atlanta. And then you look at this St Louis game and it amplified again. In that St Louis game they lose eight to five. And we're going to look back on this game and we're going to say well, you know, the pitching staff gave up eight runs. Yeah, they did.
Speaker 1:The bats left a lot of guys on base too, a lot of guys a lot of times with the bases loaded. I mean you look at this game left 11 guys on base teams with runners in scoring for. The team with runners in scoring position was two for 12, yelich was all for two, hoskins was all for one, contraris was all for two, terang was all for one, ortiz was all for one, frelick was one for two and churio was one for three. You want to look at what happened in this game here. You got the bases loaded, you had multiple guys in scoring position multiple times and you had Yellich and Hoskins go 0-4 this century in that game. Three strikeouts for Yellich, two for Hoskins.
Speaker 1:You want to talk about what's not a productive at-bat striking out with the bases loaded, especially with less than two outs. Find a way to put a ball in play. Everybody hates on Sale, right, and Sale's been fantastic, moved up to the leadoff spot here and we're gonna talk about the later in the show because I had a question on that, but I think sal's gonna stay right there. But you've talked about guys like sal freling. Why is he so instrumental in the lineup? He finds a way to put the ball in play. I know sometimes it's not, it's not a hard hit and sometimes it's just a little weak, a little chopper. I'd rather have a weak, a little chopper with the chance than a strikeout. Then when I watch Churio go alter and I'm like I look at my wife and I tell her you know he's going to swing at three straight breaking balls down in the way. And what does he do? Three straight breaking balls down in the way. I think that was from Phil Matt in there. He came in and threw some dirty pitches to him down in a way there and it was just take a hack, take a hack, take a hack. And that the the one. Knock on Jerry O, you can get him swinging, because he swings all over the zone. He's not much of a walker, he loves to swing around the zone there.
Speaker 1:Quintana got roughed up again. Quintana in this one here he got roughed up. He's had a couple rough outings over this season here and I mean hopefully that kind of levels itself out there. He had that rough one. I think that was back in June. There he gave up six. And then I mean since then he's been solid. Against the Phillies he was solid five innings of two-run baseball. And then San Diego he was solid in the win five innings of one-run baseball. So he's been solid. He's been roughed up in some outings but I mean he's been consistent.
Speaker 1:For the Brewers it's just this Cardinals game. He got a little roughed up a couple times there so I mean that was a. It was just I mean that kind of day, that kind of day there and just this whole thing was all along this uh, I mean the controversies and everything like that. So it's just that kind of day for the brewers. But I just look at this series and I say what did this tell me about the brewers coming off? It told me that there's a lot of fight in this team and I I watch that series and how it went for Milwaukee? It either tells you one of two things, right. It either tells me that the Cardinals are farther away than I thought or the Brewers are missing maybe a piece or two here or there.
Speaker 1:But they have, I believe they have the pitching in place. After watching the series, after watching I mean your worst outing was Quintana in there, and I think Quintana is a solid, steady guy. Outside of that, mizorowski has earned himself a second start because he's going to start game two against the Cubs there. And then Priester has been fantastic. He was fantastic in the finale there, chad Patrick's been good for him and then Peralta has been solid all the way through. So when you just look at what's this starting pitching staff's been able to do and what the bullpen's been able to do as of late, and I mean it gives you a lot of good feelings heading into a series against the Cubs and twins coming up, because the twins twins haven't been terrible this year, but the Cubs, they're riding the high, they're riding first place right now in the NL central and the Brewers are chasing.
Speaker 1:So this is a series, I feel like, and there's I had a question on this. It was about the cubs series coming up and it was uh, what was it? I saw it, I had the question asked me and then I saw it again across social media and and it was about the Brewers, this upcoming series, the Cubs series, to them, and what they had to say was it was going to decide whether the Brewers were buyers or sellers at the trade deadline, this Cubs series on Tuesday June 17th through Thursday June 19th was going to decide if the Brewers were buyers or sellers, and I was like, oh okay, like that's a thought. I mean, there's a lot of ball to be played left before we get to the break there, before we get to the deadline. I've said all the way along I think the Brewers should be toes in the water, but not jumping in.
Speaker 1:I don't, I don't want to sound like I'm a, I'm a hater, right, because that's the way you get labeled. Then is your your? Uh, you're just a fair weather fan who only supports when they're winning and that's when you go for the crazy stuff. If the Brewers were actually going to spend money, I'd be all in. I think, honestly what? Right now, the brewers need to make a move because the giants just got better. They got ralph fayal devers. You weren't going to go get devers. I hate people who are like oh, giants did this. Why aren't the brewers doing anything? They weren't going to go get devers. Are you crazy? You see, that contract. The Red Sox didn't even want that contract. They didn't want that contract the day after they signed it. But what I think the Brewers are lacking now is they got to make some kind of move themselves. I don't think you're going to. You never were going to get Devers, trust me, that wasn't going to happen.
Speaker 1:But Ryan McMahon's starting to hit better out there with Rockies. Find a guy like that, go make a move for a guy like that. He's been hitting a lot. I mean over the last I believe, a month he's been hitting like 278. The average doesn't show it because he did have a struggle period, but for the last month he's been fantastic. Bring in a guy like that A little, bringing a guy like that a little bit of power. Get on base for you. You're missing power. That wouldn't be a bad move. Maybe call him and say, hey, do you want Reese Hoskins? I mean, it's an option.
Speaker 1:You got guys like Andrew Vaughn down there coming into are going to be in AAA when he gets there. I don't know if he's there yet or if he's even played a game yet with him down there, but you have guys down there where you could call. Bobby Dahlbeck's been down there for a while now. Bobby Dahlbeck's been hitting 266 down there in AAA and I know I know some people don't like the averages when they're sitting at 266 because they should be hitting better when they're in the minors, but I mean's been solid this season, 284 across all of minor league baseball this season. I mean he's bobby dolbeck, I know he's got the ability, I believe, to play third base too. So right now he's listed on outfield but he's got the ability to play some infield there. You have other guys down there, minors, who have been hitting well. I believe ernesto martinez, the first baseman's been been hitting 260, 6'6". He's huge. He's an exciting prospect to look at down there.
Speaker 1:I don't think Tyler Black, I know, is back. He hasn't really had a lot of games to talk about I think three games, so he hasn't really had a lot to talk about yet. But I mean Tyler Black's down there. Eddie Rosario's down there. He's batting 290 down there, left fielder. So maybe we see a guy like eddie rosario come up at some point.
Speaker 1:The veteran down there, freddie zamora, has been fantastic. This is a guy I don't know. I don't know where. Where are we at right? The question is, where are you at right now? If you're a burrow fan, are you going all in or you like half in? Because there's guys down there who, like anthony siegler or freddie zamora, right the shortstop and second baseman down there, each one of them dang near batting, I believe, both of them around 300 ones batting two, 99. If you're Siegler and the other one's batting two 95, if you're Zamora, they're hitting solid.
Speaker 1:So what I'm saying is is that, basically, end of the day, I'm not, I'm not a complete seller. I'm not going out there and saying, hey, who wants Sal Frelick? Who wants Bryce Dering? No way, no how, not a chance. But I'm going out there and saying, okay, this is going to happen. I believe it because the Brewers are a team that loves to trade guys who are right before an option year, right before an extension, freddie Peralta. Brewers don't spend money, sorry, they don't.
Speaker 1:So if there was a guy, a pitcher, on the staff that I believe might be traded, freddie Peralta would be my guess. So Freddie would be a possibility to be on the books. And then you're looking across Hoskins could be another guy where you can see him getting moved down from here pretty soon. Jake Bowers, I've heard him in the rumblings a little bit there. I mean I can see guys like that. If somebody calls about Yelich, I would definitely take the phone call. It's my Yelich. Don't take it personally Yelich fans. He drives me crazy sometimes. But no, I mean I look across and I'm looking at all these older veteran guys. Maybe think about it.
Speaker 1:Maybe if somebody does call about William Contreras and they give you a, they give you a haul because you have a guy in the minors by the name of Jefferson Quero, a fantastic prospect, and he's hitting 273 since coming back eight games since coming back from injury there and it's not like a huge sample size, don't get me wrong, but he's starting to catch her. I remember it was two years ago or a year ago down there in spring training. I it was two years ago or a year ago down there in spring training. I mean I know it's spring training, but the arm that he has is fantastic. He's a good defensive catcher and I mean the bats coming along with them. He's a top rated prospect in your system. Maybe you, if somebody calls about William Contreras and they give you a pretty good haul for him back, maybe they give you a third baseman or whatever I I wouldn't be opposed to maybe thinking about it, unless if you think maybe William Contreras could be a first baseman of the future, like maybe that's where he would move over like his brother, but figure out how to get out of the baseline, then I could see excuse me there maybe keeping a guy like William Contreras around.
Speaker 1:But right now I just hate to block off the young talent, because what's Jefferson Cuero to you? If he's just going to sit down there? I think he's got all the potential in the world to be up here pretty darn soon. But you know, my question would be too with William Contreras would be he's hurt and we know about the finger. What's a, what's a injured list stint. Look like for him If he gets well. I don't know what the surgery span is or anything like that, but could he, would the rest with the injuries, the il stint actually help him? I I don't know, because right now it just doesn't seem like he's him. It doesn't seem like he's the same guy at this very moment and it could be because of that injury. So it's just something to monitor there.
Speaker 1:But if to answer that question, long story short there, as I was trying to hit the roundabout way around the barn there, you know I took 14 laps around the inside and I was supposed to be on the outside, um, to take that roundabout ways, I think they have guys down there in the minors who could have the potential to come up at some point here, and I would. I would be okay if the brewers because I don't think you're giving up if you you still have the pitchers you're not trading away the entire staff, right? You got quinn priest Priester, you got Logan Henderson down there in the minors, you got Jacob Mizorowski. You're going to have guys bouncing around. Woody's going to come back eventually. Right, knock on wood, he's going to be here eventually. You're going to have those guys coming in there. It's just the Freddy Peraltas of the world.
Speaker 1:You realistically think you can win the world series this year? If you don't realistically think you can win the world series this year unless you make some drastic moves, which we know the brewers will probably not do, unless they're planning on making those drastic moves, like going all in, like I believe they did in like 2018 when they went all in and they got guys like moose, and they got guys, you know, in that grouping. I look at this and I say I'm okay with moving on from guys. So am I a buyer or seller at the deadline? If this series goes one way or another, if they win this series or if they lose the series. I'll be honest with you. Right now I am in a ah, we'll take phone calls. I'll take phone calls on Freddie. We'll take phone calls. I'll take phone calls. I'm freddy, I'll take phone calls. A lot of these guys see what they want for them. I'm in that boat right now, no matter what. That's where I'm at, because I don't know if it's a compete year or not, but we'll. We'll talk about that more later. I'll talk about it more later.
Speaker 1:I want to hear what you guys got to say. 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. I'd love to hear what you guys got to say about that. Are the brewers coming off that cub series? Do you believe win or lose, that they're a buyer or a seller? When it's all said and done there, if they win the series or if they lose the series, does that dictate whether they are a buyer or seller? Are you in a different boat, like I am where you're? You're kind of in that boat of moving on from guys regardless of what happens. Let me know what you think there. 715-990-4914.
Speaker 1:So when we come back, I want to hit a little bit more into some of the news off the weekend there. I want to talk about that jair situation, what we saw there, the comments from his dad coming up the weekends there. I want to talk about that. So I want to get into that when we come back here from the break. We got a little bit more here. We're going to wrap the hour. We're going to come back after the hour there and then we're going to talk to Kyle about the NBA Finals. We're going to talk to Umar a little bit later here about the Packers, about this situation and everything else. Then we've got to talk about the Packers. So we're going to get into all of it here as the show goes on tonight. So we'll be right back here. We're going to wrap up this first hour of wisconsin sports on the go with trage. I'm your host, trade. We're back here on this wednesday and I know I said we're going to talk about the year situation, but we're just about to the top of the hour so I don't want to get too crazy right now here.
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Speaker 1:I've seen a lot of people saying, well, why would you sign a contract if there's no guaranteed money and everything like that? And I get it. I understand and this is where I'm at with it. I understand both sides of the coin here. I understand the people that say, well, why would you want to play for a contract with no guaranteed money? I understand where Jair's coming from. Why would you want to play for no guaranteed money? But at the same time, why would you want to guarantee a guy money who's 7-8 games? I ain't guarantee you 15, 18 mil for playing. You know 7-8 games. Just, I mean it baffles me that you know Landis. Landis Alexander's his name. He said he'd been foolish to take.
Speaker 1:It'd be foolish for the Packers to go into this and say, well, you know we want to restructure your deal, but all of it's going to be incentive or it's not going to be incentive based. We're going to guarantee you this money. Why? Why would you guarantee anything over the, the, what you've seen over the past couple years? You're not going to guarantee nothing if you're the packers. If you're jair, you're looking for guaranteed money because you're sitting there like, oh, I've been injured, how many times now I want to make sure that I'm safe.
Speaker 1:The thing with it is is that it's been a week now. Almost right, been a while, I think it's been a week. Yeah, you're still out there. The free agent now. Is he just letting the landscape settle? Maybe, but I haven't heard that he's met with teams, nothing like that. What's the market look like? I heard that teams were just lining up at the door for when the Packers would release them.
Speaker 1:Finally, I think honestly, all that this was, all this restructure conversation was was a last-ditch effort for the Packers to basically get people to say what do you want for him Quickly, like what do you want for him? Nobody bid so it was just if he takes it, he takes it, if he walks away, he walks away. They were half in the door, half out. They were fine either way. Now it does make you question and this is where I want to get with Omer when we talk to him a little bit later. It does really make you question the Packers' motives down the road here. What's their motive? And a big question, and this is one that I heard I believe it was over on lockdown Packers.
Speaker 1:There I was listening to Peter Bukowski over there and he he basically said it doesn't feel like Goody may not be making these moves because he doesn't feel like the Packers are close. And I want to talk about that, because I heard him say that and I was like, hmm, it's interesting, I wonder what, what we can stir up in a conversation with that. So I want to talk about that. I want to talk about that. I want to talk about nba finals. I want to talk about everything.
Speaker 1:We come back here. So we are just getting to the top of the hour. We have a whole nother hour coming up here. Kyle's gonna stop by. We're gonna talk nba finals. We're gonna talk more nba, as we got the drafts around the corner too. We're gonna talk packers later on with ummer. We got more brewer talk to get to tonight here. We got all kinds of stuff. So make sure you're coming to wisconsin sports on the go with trage. I'm your host, trage. We're coming back on this wednesday and hey, this next segment. We got armor on now. We're gonna talk a little packers. We talked a little bit about the jair situation going into the hour break and I want to talk a little bit more about it. Here I got armor here we're going to talk about tonight. But this next segment of the show here is brought to you by foreman's hardware. They offer you everything from home essentials, the farm supplies, house, the farm Umber here we're going to talk about tonight. But this next segment of the show here is brought to you by Foreman's Hardware. They offer you everything from home essentials to farm supplies, house to farm grills, to drills. Foreman's Hardware has got you covered. Visit today in Loyal Colby or Medford, wisconsin. There. Tell them Trade sent you Get 5% off. Nothing better 5% off on all your purchases. Just tell them I sent you down there. So with me tonight here, albert, how we doing. It's Wednesday, we're halfway through the week again. We're feeling good, I hope right. How's it going out there?
Speaker 2:I can't complain, man, I can't complain. Took off today and tomorrow I'm going to spend some time with the wife and kids up in Great Wolf Lodge near me, so, looking forward to that, and we're, you know, kind of just going to take our these next two days off and then get back into the grind on friday.
Speaker 1:So you know, having thursday off, you know for juneteenth and stuff like that's pretty cool, but it sucks because it's in the middle of the week. So go just. You know that's weird, that's yeah, get through the week. You gotta just take friday off, like I thought about it. I thought about it, but odd you might be the most oddest like vacation I've ever heard in my life was taking off wednesday and thursday I'll you on Friday boys and I'd be like why are you?
Speaker 2:coming back on.
Speaker 1:Friday, yeah, why, but for real.
Speaker 2:I've moved all my meetings from Wednesday and Thursday to Friday. So I'm like, all right, well, I just need to just light it up and some folks I told some folks to take off, you know, just enjoy the long weekend, right. So yeah, just crazy times at work. Right now he's a dedicated man.
Speaker 1:That's what we're getting out of this umber is a dedicated man and that's all we need to know. So goodness we have. We have a lot of stuff we don't. We don't have a lot to talk about. Like you know, we're waiting for training camp and everything ot.
Speaker 1:We're waiting for everything to happen right right, but there's always stuff to talk about. It seems like with jair it's still he's in the news with the packers over this last week. So I want to talk about that a little bit, because we did hear landis alexander come out and talk. I didn't know his dad's name was landis, but yeah, landis alexander. And he basically said you know the packers and and we were kind of wondering the whole time, well, what was the contract proposal? Right, we had no idea. Well, landis kind of broke the ice for us. He let us know what happened Basically, no guaranteed money and I said, honestly, thinking about it, I'm fine with that, because what did you want guaranteed?
Speaker 1:And I get you know Alexander wants to guarantee his future and everything like that. Okay, go out there and prove it this year, go out and prove it one year and then go get your big contract after this year, because the Packers only wanted you for one more. It wasn't like they're signing you long term with no guaranteed money. It was this year and then done Out the door. I really think and my opinion was going to the break was this was a last ditch effort for the Packers to say, hey, other teams out there, we're trying to sign them back. Do you want them? Yet it was one last ditch effort to say that and then after that they were like okay, do you want the deal? No, okay, bye. It was basically one last. Here you go, and if you don't want it, I'm sorry, but see you later. We, we, just we. We can't guarantee you money. And it it's so hard to guarantee a guy even seven to eight mil for seven games like what are you gonna pay him a million dollars a game like? Is that how it's all gonna figure out? He's been a consistent seven to eight game guy over the past couple of years. If he was okay, 14 one year and then seven, okay.
Speaker 1:It's a different story. We're talking about an instrumental position where the Packers they don't want to pay all that money. They can use that money elsewhere. Now, who knows what they're going to do with it? We'll wait. And I mean, amr, what are your thoughts on what the contract was? What the contract they offered was? I mean I don't have a problem with it. From Gutekind's end. I can see where Jair was upset with it, I can. Or where they were upset was like no guaranteed money. They think they're worth more. I get that, but at the same time, you got to look at it from the business standpoint of you haven't been reliable. That's kind of where we're at right now. So what? What were your thoughts coming off hearing this news from landis and everything like that and what the contract proposal was that we were waiting to hear?
Speaker 2:I mean, when it comes down to it, reminds me a lot of what they did to jordy, like on his last year. They basically offered him the vet minimum and we're just they basically just showing him the door, and I think with jair they're doing the same thing. I don't think they had any intention of resigning him. I don't think they wanted to. I don't think they want to deal with the headache or him healthy, not healthy things like that. I think the most upsetting thing for me as a fan which I think a lot of folks saw on my Twitter was the fact that if you knew this was going to be a decision, you knew you're going to do this. There was no point in playing the games drafted with Trey Amos in mind, or maybe last year taking some guys in the draft, when we had two drafts that are very heavily focused on defensive backs. I feel it looks very haphazardly done because it's like, all right, you wait until literally the 11th hour to say, all right, we're going to offer you this contract that really isn't really anything and then you're basically going to push them out anyways. And, like I said, they did the same thing with Jordy. They offered him a vet minimum. He was going to take it and then until Rodgers and James Jones told him hey, man, you need to go somewhere else and get your money's worth. And so Jair's probably doing the same thing too. Now, the fact he hasn't signed with anybody I think he just kind of weighed on his options. I do remember on Tuesday TV they're waiting. He could be waiting for training camp because it's better to go to a team that has a need instead of just going to any team that's offering you anything, because you don't know what they're going to do. Again, we know that he was probably being told that he has to play for free, or probably close to a vet minimum and no guarantees and stuff like that. I feel like, again, from a goody goody comes perspective a little disingenuous, is like look, you could have given him a contract that was incentive-based. There was some talk that might have been the case At the day. It just reminds me too much of Jordy, and I was still hurt by that.
Speaker 2:I felt like in that year in 2018, when we were out there with Jimmy Graham instead of Jordy, I think we could have probably made another run, because I thought Jordy and Roger still had that connection. Adams wasn't going to go away because of that. In this case J, you know availability is the best, ability wasn't really available. Maybe they were done with all, just the whole, the whole picture of it, right when it comes to the whole cap, making himself a captain and having issues with the training camp, having issues with injuries, having issues with just certain personality things and the day it's done over with. I saw Lamar Jackson spoke today. He was talking about bringing him in and that he says he taught he talked to eric, to costas, like go get jair, go get him. I think that would be the best thing. He gets out of the conference completely we'll still see him at the end of the year and he gets to go play with a super bowl contender and his best friend from college, right, so I think that would be good.
Speaker 2:But again, it just if you knew this, with the direction you're going to go, which it seems like they did, then I feel like the way they've drafted the last two years just doesn't make any sense to me. Because you know you did pick up nate hobbs. You know you got. You know kaylin king and michael robinson and you know there's some. You know you've picked up certain players but at the day, like, are you really banking on the kind of jumps from you know Keyshawn and Valentine and you know hoping that you know Buller can lock down a role in the slot? Possibly? I just you know what I'm saying it's just a little. It's a lot of questions there right now. But again, that's the decision they made. We have to live with it. I just didn't really agree with the process that they use.
Speaker 1:That leads me into my question for you for the day. That leads me right into it because I was listening over on lockdown Packers, peter Bukowski, and sometimes I listen to Peter and it's like Peter settle down.
Speaker 2:And then sometimes I listen to Peter and he does, and he sometimes he goes way too deep in the analytics.
Speaker 1:He's like, well, this is this and this, and I'm like Peter, I don't need to know all those analytics right now I know, is that they're stinking.
Speaker 1:That's all I need to know. I don't even know why they're stinking, but anyways. So, peter, I thought he had a pretty good take, and this leads right into what you're saying. I want to talk about it here. You know the way that this all went down sloppy. Then you know, and you're in what you're saying there, it's kind of like a sloppy. It didn't seem like they were really.
Speaker 1:You know why didn't we go on add pieces? Why didn't we go on ad pieces? Why didn't we go after guys in the draft? What was, what was? You know the reasoning and everything like that. And was it that he had faith in the guys in the room? Good, it can't have faith in these guys in the room. I don't know, but does it kind of feel like Goody Is it? Is it that he doesn't? You know cause? I heard this was. Do you feel like the Goody believes the Packers aren't that close? Because if you felt like you were close, right. Because if I feel like I'm close, say I'm watching the Brewers right now. Say I'm the GM of the Brewers, matt Arm, and I know the Brewers don't spend money, but this is how it should probably happen, right? If you feel like you're close.
Speaker 1:You get to the trade deadline. You're going to add a piece or two. Right, you're going to add big pieces, whatever it is, maybe a big bat, maybe you're going to add some bullpen relief, maybe both, maybe you need both. You're going to add both Football. Maybe you're going to add a depth piece in the secondary. You're going to add a big-time pass rusher, or you're going to add whatever it is Goodikens has it. And if you're sitting there with the cap space that you have and I understand you want to extend extensions and everything like that, I get that. You want to extend guys, I understand all that. But you're in a pretty good spot right now and you aren't even in the rumblings. You haven't been in the rumblings, the rumblings, but not the rumblings. Right, you get in the Giannis rumblings, where you got ESPN telling you that he's going 1500 places, and then Giannis goes out and says I, I, you know what is Shams talking about, right?
Speaker 1:now Like it's like the, the Packers are in these rumblings but at the same time they're not. They're not getting anybody. They're always there, they're always in the talks. Right, the brewers like the same with the brewers. I can compare it to the brewers all the time. They're always in the conversation for this guy. We just didn't get him. So does it feel and I want to know from you does it feel like maybe Goody's like, ah well, this is as close as we are, and if the guys in the room make it work, they make it work, and if they don't, well, he can't blame me for going, you know, grabbing all these pieces because, well, it didn't. Is the guys here? I mean, where are you kind of at with that Like it? Just, I could see it from both ways when Goody's like I don't know if we're that close yet, right, we have too many young pieces or too many pieces that aren't there yet, or is it? Well, I trust the guys. Where are you thinking right now?
Speaker 2:I think there was some credence to that. If we were like a you know a 6 and you know 6 and you know 12 team, or if we were a losing team or we hadn't made the playoffs the last two years, we didn't. You know, last year we, you know, won the wild card game. We got to divisional. We were literally maybe probably a field goal away from going to nfc championship game, right, and last year, if anything, injuries is what really did us in. Uh, I feel like when you are a green bay packer front office guy, when you're a fan, when you're a player, you're not talking about division titles. You're not talking about, you know, nfc championship appearances. You're talking about super bowl, to talk about championships, right. And I feel like if goody is having any kind of thoughts like that, then he's the wrong man for the job. I know that's a little hyperbolic, but my thing is like the reason why we as fans get upset because you do see other teams that make certain moves to kind of take you over that step, that hump, right. And you know, the packers have built very good teams in their whole existence like there's no denying that. But the fact is that we've had a drought now since 2010, and that 2010 team was pretty good, but it wasn't like it was by any means. People thought it was a concern to be ready, right, like we had like 15 players in ir. We literally had the bottom of the roster playing a lot and people guys that you know brandon chiller and freaking harold green and other guys that just came in off the street and were able to produce and help us get to the Super Bowl, right, and my question is, as a GM, if you're already thinking that your team isn't there and here we are in June, then what have you been doing, like what have you been doing with your drafts and your pickups? And I understand, we have cap money and you want to sign your own guys, which is fine, I get that. But I'm saying, too, though, like of cap money and you want to sign your own guys, which is fine, I get that. But on the same hand too, though, like going all in is like the way the saints got into the cap. You know, heck, that they've been in right, and then they're never going to get out of for probably next five, ten years. They're going to be in there forever. I don't want us to do stuff like that, but there are certain things that they could do. I feel like, as a you know, like that year when they went and just snuck in and got Julius Peppers, you know, and it was just something that no one expected to happen and just happened, and, honestly, when he was there, we had two teams literally had three teams that could have won the Super Bowl that all his, his whole time in Green Bay. We could have had a team. Each one of those teams could win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:And so me personally, when I see his inaction in certain areas, when I see him not investing in certain positions that we as fans or everybody else can see that he probably should, it does make you kind of question, right.
Speaker 2:And then now, with the new guy and the new sheriff in town, with Ed Policy, you have now a guy who probably didn't have any buy-in on the floor, didn't have any buy-in on Goody, and he's been with the organization since 2012,.
Speaker 2:Right, so he's seen the Packers kind of go and he comes from a pedigree of his father basically being in charge of the San Francisco 49ers when they won five Super Bowls, so he might have a short lease.
Speaker 2:He even said that he has one of your lame duck years. He doesn't want to have these guys going through the final year of their contracts having to worry about top security. So basically he's telling him, hey look, contracts having to worry about top security. So basically he's telling him, hey look, if you guys get the job done this year, then you're gonna get extended and if not, then I really don't know what's gonna happen. And I and I think that you know that whole sense of urgency that gutekin said last year or maybe the end of this year, right when the end of the season or whatever. You know that that might be a little bit more for him than you really think, because right now if you're going to go into this season with the defensive line the way it is and with the secondary the way it is, it's a little. It's a little concerning because on offense you do see competition up and down, literally that roster on this on that side, except quarterback, everybody else and I mean even then.
Speaker 2:You're looking at the taylor ixma guy and you're looking at malik willis. They're, they're, they're baiting. You know, sean, whatever, clifford, they're all battling for position number three. But truth is like, if you go up and down, everyone has to be fighting for a position. I mean, you got Miko Hartman coming out there making plays and we didn't think he's going to make the team. So I think that there might be some credence to what Pukowski is saying. But at the end of the day, like, if you aren't preparing to try to go to the Super Bowl every single year, then you are definitely the wrong person for the job Hands down. We're not here building good teams to be division winners and to make the playoffs and get knocked out. No, we're here to get championships. That's what we're known for. The Lombardi is named after our head coach.
Speaker 1:Like, I'm sorry, like there's no excuses for that, like, if that's the case, then he might be out next year, though the thing that worries me with gutekens is that I feel like he always tries to be the smartest guy in the room yes, that's it I mean, we're going into the season, like you said, and that's where.
Speaker 1:That's where I can kind of see what uh peter's saying there with his comment is. You look at him going into this season and you have a defensive line, like you do. You let Jair basically walk away and you have what's your plan in the secondary? I have no idea what's Bullard gonna do. What's your? What's your plan out there? You know, as Kalen King, he's in a cast like who's gonna be your guys?
Speaker 2:at this point I.
Speaker 1:I have no idea, and you know, if you're expecting Keyshawn Nixon's gonna be quarterback one, okay, but you better have a good defensive line then and you better pray that Lucas Van Ness is going to step up and Kenny Clark's going to come back and Rashawn Gary is going to be a dude again. I mean, it's, it's a lot of like. Oh, I hope that this happens, and that's my worry with Gutekinds is that I feel like you're not making those, those, those moves right. When you went out and got a guy like smith or you got a guy you know they got. You had zedarius, you got preston. You had two pretty good pass rushers. Then you went on got julius peppers.
Speaker 2:Jul, I mean rasul douglas is sitting out there right now I mean, I understand he had a bad year, but I bring him in, why not?
Speaker 1:like why not? I mean this guy he blossomed reggie berry.
Speaker 2:That's fine, but you're telling me you halfly can't do something with him. Like I don't know. I just it's just using bull melton as a cornerback, which I think he probably can do it. But again it's like sometimes you're kind of thinking like what, what are we doing right now? Like it just seems like we're overthinking simple yeah, we're thinking simple.
Speaker 1:You have cap room to bring in rasul douglas like it's not like he's gonna demand the farm from you next season. It You've got the money for a guy like that.
Speaker 1:You have the money for these not huge pass rushers that you could bring in for just depth pieces. When, hey, maybe Lucas Van Ness doesn't work out, I can put somebody in there. But it seems like you're at this point right now where you're like, okay, I've got to see if my draft picks work, because if they don't, well, I just wasted how many years, I mean you see what they were doing about Josh Myers.
Speaker 2:We talk about that all the time, where every single year they're blowing smoke up. You know our tailpipe telling us oh hey, man, he's going to get better, he's going to get better. Well, guess what he never did? Now he's literally a second or third string center in the Jets right now. Right, he's not even starting over there. He can't even beat Tippman out. So I mean, my question is is like these gms? That's one thing I did appreciate about ron wolf, because when he realized he made a crappy pick, he didn't waste time, he cut that and kept it moving.
Speaker 2:Gutekunst does not like admitting that he made mistakes. No, gm, does I get that? But you're going to keep a roster spot because of fact you drafted someone in the first round, second round, knowing that they're not really living up to that pedigree and they're making your team worse, not better, like the whole gyre thing is. Oh, we're getting addition by subtraction. Because the fact that he hasn't played a full season in three years, okay, fine. Or two years, okay, all right. But what is your? What's your? You know, corresponding move nate hops okay, well, he doesn't. He has a hard time staying healthy too, so that, okay, kishan, who was an undrafted free agent, who's definitely basically gone, the Sam Shields and, like you know, the um, you know Tremont Williams route of like being this guy who was, like you know, basically not even drafted to now he's a starting corner.
Speaker 2:I think that's great. But again, what was the thing you just said? If you're gonna have a guys like that out there, you need I don't care if you have Darrell Rivas and you have you, you know Doug Evans out there, craig Newsome, I don't care who it is out there your front seven has to get pressure. Your front seven has to apply a blitz and be able to be able to disrupt the quarterbacks. If not, the secondary is going to be out there all day running. I remember I was watching highlights of Caleb Williams in that last game against us and, yeah, we were getting pressure with Devontae Wyatt but he was able to run out and eventually make completions and I'm sorry, but quarterback's going to be able to do that. If you can't get pressure with four or generate any kind of pass rush and right now, yeah, I'm not very confident in that I think us banking on Covington making that big of a change. I'm hoping that's the case, but I'm not holding my breath.
Speaker 1:It's like looking at it right now. My biggest question would be for the secondary who's your boundary corners?
Speaker 2:yeah, I don't have. I have no idea. I have no idea. It's like up there right like he's supposed to quarterback one, but I don't trust that.
Speaker 1:Are you gonna throw kishan out there on aj brown and hope that he shuts him down for a game? Come on, that ain't happening, it's just. I I don't think that there's. Honestly, is there a guy? I'm looking at some of the top wide receivers and you look at the schedule and some of the matchups that they're going to have and I'm looking at the guys that they're going to face?
Speaker 2:It's like who's going to?
Speaker 1:be the boundary corners in those games. It's going to be a shutdown. Is it Valentine? Is Valentine going to be a guy? I have no idea. It's like there's so many question marks. Like I thought about this point and I'm like maybe he's right. Is that if Gutekinds felt like we were that close, wouldn't he say to himself I don't feel like we have a boundary corner at the moment?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Maybe I go and get a dog, maybe I go and get a guy. Right now I'm hoping that a bunch of rookies and a bunch of second year guys figure it out and that's a whole. And, like I'm saying, with this offense, when you've got an offense that looks like it's going to be flowing like this, you're going to be the Bengals.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah, your bases are going to outscore everybody, yeah exactly, it's hard.
Speaker 1:I mean they're not going to be the Bengals.
Speaker 2:Their defense will be fine, I'm not saying that they're going to be terrible. My defense was terrible last year, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying they, yeah, they're going to be a little bit. They're going to be a bend, but don't break. But do you have a shutdown defense that when you get against a team like the Eagles or something like that, can you hold them? Yeah, can you get a stop? And that's a question, because you have guys like Quay Walker, who's a question mark, devontae Wyatt, who's a question mark. What does Rashawn Gary give you?
Speaker 1:Lucas Van Ness, he's got a mental block, got so many question marks up and down, and up and down this defense and it's like I, I like these guys, I like some of the guys they have. I mean edgar cooper is like. If you looked at the defense right now, it's like who do you like?
Speaker 2:yeah, edgar cooper, I like edgar cooper I like xavier mckinney.
Speaker 1:I like evan williams, but sometimes he gets torched. I like jamian bullard, but he gets torched. I like keishon nixon he's a hard hitter but he gets torched. It's like quay walker I like him in past coverage, but outside of that I sometimes he's just non-factor. I just I'm looking across and it's like, who do you trust on your defense? And then maybe there's two or three guys right now where I'm like. Maybe only two where I'm like those guys. I got right.
Speaker 2:Isaiah mcduffie is a guy who's in the right spot yeah, he, just, he, just, he's just like he's a try hard guy, right, that's it yeah outside of that he's just.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't know I, he's a special teams guy who's just a right spot guy, but he's not a big play guy. He's just a solid dude, a solid depth piece. But if you're trusting him to be that guy, I we're not, we're not there. So I, I don't know. I I can see what peter's saying. Like I said, I don't think the defense is just going to completely suck.
Speaker 1:But when I look at this and I look at what Goody's telling me, it's like if I'm Ed Policy, because we saw what he had to say and I want to talk. Do you have time for a?
Speaker 2:little bit of another segment here, do you have?
Speaker 1:time for a little bit of another segment, okay, okay, we'll come back. We'll talk about the Ed policy comments, because I want to get into that, because Ed policy said he's not going to meddle in the football stuff. But I think he's going to meddle in the football stuff here because I think, with what we're seeing right now, good against if he puts all of his cards she's putting all his chips on the table right now with these, with his roster and if it all blows up in his face. I mean, like you said and like everybody knows, ed Policy had nothing to do with the hiring of Brian Goodkins or Matt LaFleur. So what would Ed Policy do? I don't know. We'll come back. We're going to hit a quick break. We're going to come back. Auburn's going to stick around. We're going to talk a little bit more Packers, because I want to get to those comments there from Ed Policy a little bit here. So we'll be right back.
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Speaker 1:Supposed to get hot. So it's getting hot and we got some hot news right. Ed policy is coming in. We saw Mark Murphy. He kind of did that little send off there with the team and broke them down Last time. You know one, two, three Superbowl, and you know he's out the door anyway. So it's like, yeah, you okay, bye, but anyways. Anyways, ed policy, he was on doing some interviews there and I mean, what'd you have to think about some of the comments that Ed policy was making? And I believe he was on Fox 11, the news station there, and then he had another interview there. What were some of your thoughts about some of the comments that he had in those interviews?
Speaker 2:I mean you could tell he definitely was very had a lot of high praise for a good accounts and for the floor. He thinks you're doing a great job. He's very appreciative of the success that they have actually worked, of the success that they have actually brought together. As being GM head coach, he also was talking about how his three main goals is to have successful winning teams, keeping the Green Bay Packers in Green Bay and still even doing more within the community. Strengthening the community and Packer Nation kind putting this guy, like you know, more advancement to title town, adding to that and just making sure that the community has more, um, I guess, just strengthening that bond between the packers and the community. So I think he he has his head in the right track. I do know. But after he said those things he kind of got more generalistic about the way he was commenting on things. Every single beat writer spoke and all this. But to kind of summarize it, uh, basically he was talking about how he doesn't like having coaches and, um, his uh front office people in lame duck years, meaning that he doesn't want to have them wait until the last year of their deal to decide if they're going to keep them or not. So he wants to get extensions done in advance and both good accounts and the floor did sign extensions and they have two years left on their extension. So I feel like, without him directly saying it, he's basically saying hey, you guys aren't gonna be lame duck guys, if you guys do a great year this year, then you're probably gonna get extended again.
Speaker 2:Right now, the definite and but, the definition of that is what does that mean? You know, an nfc championship game appearance. Does that mean a super bowl appearance? I mean a super bowl win. What does it mean? And you and me both can agree that last year was extremely disjointed green bay packers. You know there was no consistency. You know there's no. Basically, from week to week you never really know what you're going to get and unfortunately you can say you can chalk up to injuries, you can chalk up to so many different.
Speaker 2:I think him coming in, him having the pedigree that he has, him being with the organization for over 13 years, and then his father being such a real big deal when he was in the 49ers and the Browns, I feel like it's one of those things where you know he's probably going to have a short leash but on the same hand too, how is his involvement going to change? Because right now the way it was working was back in the day with Bob Harlan. You had a Harlan at the top as the president, and then you had the GM, like Ted Thompson, who basically just had all controller football operations, right, and the head coach reported to the GM, and then Murphy recently you know, after all the silos and all the craziness that gone on with Ted Thompson, his final years, with him being sick and things like that they basically made it to where the coach, the GM and the VP Ross oh what's my man's name? What's the VP of finance?
Speaker 1:Oh goodness, Name's slipping me. It's something, Isn't it Ross? Anyways anyways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ross Ball, ross Ball, ross Ball basically all now reported president. So the question is Ed Paul is going to keep that same structure that was a structure that kind of got made fun of a lot because it got a triangle kind of thing right or is he going to go back to the original structure? I'm kind of hoping he goes back to the original structure. He did say that he's going to try to start attending more practices and get more involved in the football aspect of things, but really his primary focus is just basically working on the outside and letting the football people handle football things Again. That's what he said with Rock, that's what he said with Dominic Yates.
Speaker 2:I kind of do want to see over these next six months how much that changes and it'll be interesting. Like I said, he's a new sheriff in town. You know Ed has. He's not a new guy, he's been with the organization forever now, so it's like he knows how 1265 and how the packers work. Question is, is everybody kind of wants sometimes people, if it's not broken they don't fix it, which I think is a good thing, right or they want to put their own spin on things, and it'll be interesting to see what kind of spin. That is right, because private equity is really lately been making a big push in the nfl buying up teams, buying up shares and things like that where you kind of wonder, like you know, it's a fight that the Packers are going to keep fighting to make sure that they're one team that isn't owned by anybody except by the fans.
Speaker 1:Yep, Yep, no, and you know the hard the hard part is going to be. How involved do you want to see them? That's a big question.
Speaker 1:I have to see him at the at the end of the day I'm like I, I don't okay, I don't want to go full of Jerry Jones on us here and just go completely. Just, you know ballistic and I run the team, you know everything. I don't want to go Jerry Jones style on it, but I, I would be okay if he, because I want to see you know the experience get better and that's what attracts, like the draft coming to Green Bay and the huge draft experience that they had, and I think you have to have all that stuff. But at the same time I don't want him to be in this spot where he's like oh Gutekens, he knows what he's doing and then you just keep going through these lame duck years. Right, he said a point blank.
Speaker 1:I don't want lame duck years and, like you said, what does that look like? And honestly, I'm looking at and I'm saying you gotta get at some point. Matt lafleur has got to take a team past the nfc championship. He's been there how many times? If jordan loves your guy, you gotta find a way to get him past that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't I mean, you're your title time, you are the packers.
Speaker 1:You're not. You're title town, you are the Packers. You're not the Bears. You're not the Vikings. You're not the Cowboys, you're the Packers. You're technically according to most Americans who aren't major sport, the Cowboys are America's team according to major sport. According to everybody else, it's the Packers.
Speaker 1:Right, the Packers are when you think about football. When you're in a foreign land, you think about football. You're in a foreign land, you think about football. You're thinking packers. You don't think cowboys, unless they push that on you. But either way and I'm at policy I I love that going to practices seeing how it's ran, because he's been in the organization. Maybe he doesn't know all about football but he understands and he's got enough. Probably he's got enough contacts out there where he can call up a guy you know, say anybody you know, I don't know who, uh, what's his name?
Speaker 1:from new england patriots for years there, robert craft right yeah he did a pretty good job building up a pretty good organization, you know, winning championships, everything like that. Call him up, say, hey, what do you think about this? What do you think about the way it's going right now? Do we have to does? Does my gm have too much faith in these guys that he's drafting that? Maybe I should be like hey, you know, figure it out, or maybe go out and spend some money. That's the thing is like right now. We have good kids and we have Matt LaFleur making these decisions. Decisions right now. Yeah, words are tough. Tonight. You had some trouble with words.
Speaker 2:I'm at yeah.
Speaker 1:But you have, you have good kids. Matt La decisions. I mean, have a guy like that policy in there. A third opinion, right, because at this very moment are we sitting here like, oh, I think gutekitz has made all the moves that we wish he would have now? Not at all. I mean we're. We're saying rasul douglas. I mean I've heard people say jalen ramsay, and at this point I wouldn't even hate jalen ramsay, because then it would at least look like we're doing something right now it looks like we're sitting we're stagnant and we're just hoping that it works and I, I hate hoping.
Speaker 1:Trust me if, if you know me, you know I love. I love the brewers and I love the badges. Right, and the brewers are a team that hopes and prays more than anybody. Oh, this guy hit 120 last year, but but five years ago he hit 250 with 40 bombs, so hopefully he starts doing it again. We're playing this hope and pray game right now and I hate that the eagles aren't hoping and praying. They got a darn good roster. Yep, you look across the league the chiefs.
Speaker 1:The chiefs find ways every single year. San francisco is adding the rams are getting good. I mean the lions, they lost coaches but they didn't lose pieces. They're adding pieces. The vikings added pieces on that defense. The bears added pieces on the offensive line I'm not saying those, all the teams are going to figure it out and they still still got JG McCarthy running quarterback, but they all added pieces and they all got better. And that's where I'm like did we get better over the off season? Did the greenback Packers get better? I, it depends who you ask right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Did they get young guys who you think could develop into pretty good weapons? Yes, do I trust that the guys they got for the defense are going to take the defense over the top? If we're believing in that, we're crazy. And if that's what Gutekinds is banking on, that's where I'm like. I don't know. I'm like are you at policy right now? If you're okay, say you're at policy.
Speaker 1:Gutekinds tells you, going into the season, we don't need to spend any more cap money. We don't need to spend any more cap money. Man, I trust my guys, these guys. I drafted Van Ness's of the world, everything like that. Covington's telling me they're good, halfley's like let's go get them boys, he likes them, so let's do it right. If you're at policy and you watch this defense where it's like they can't get a pass rush, maybe they finish top 10 in all these statistical categories, like the green bay packers of 2010, because that defense was whipping right. This defense that you put a defense from last year, they're like oh, it's top 10 and this, this and this. But you put that into comparison from what we've seen from charles woodson, clay matthews and the boys back in 2010 not even in the same ballpark of what we saw back then you had game records. Bj rajji was on that defensive line. Where's your bj rajji right?
Speaker 2:where's your game changer? I mean, he's kate clark, but even then, though he's not, you know, we're hoping that the injury was the issue why he played so poorly last year, right so?
Speaker 1:yep, yep, no. So I mean, if you're at policy is, is your leash, what's your leash? I'm gonna end it with that. What's your leash on gutekitz on the floor? What's that leash like? How long is it and how long do you let it go before you get involved?
Speaker 2:yeah, exactly, yeah, because it's like if, if we're just it's like being okay with mediocrity and I understand that that's a, it's a very extreme way of looking at it but it's like if we're going year by year, we have all this hope for the team, but then we're not. We're seeing these other teams make some moves and the thing is like when you're seeing teams like the eagles make those moves, they're actually going somewhere with it. Right, it's not like they're just making moves and that way they just won the chip and honestly, but they and they were in the chip two years ago and last year they got knocked out but it was because of injuries more than anything else. But the truth be told, like they consistently don't only just make moves in free agency, but they also make moves in the draft too. They trade up and get guys, you trade back, they work up and down the board to find guys that will get them to the next spot. Right, and I understand like sometimes they make picks that are like name brand picks, but nine times out of ten those name brand picks are working and then you got, like you just said, the packers will sometimes be like well, we're the smartest people in the room, we're gonna get this guy who normally people would have got in the fifth or sixth round. We're gonna get him you know in round two, right, yeah? Or we're gonna get you know now. It did work out with evan williams. Evan williams, the consensus six round pick. They got him in the fourth and he turned out to be a pretty good player. So there's, they've been hits, so we gotta give him his credit. But when it comes to the first second rounds, your guarantees. That hasn't been the case, and so I'm with you.
Speaker 2:I'm looking forward to seeing, because I've heard ed speak a lot. I've watched all the documentaries of the packers. You know existence and history. I've heard him speak on other events too. So he's a he's a very eloquent man and he knows his stuff and you could tell he doesn't try to act like he knows everything. He's a heck of a lot more tamer than Mark Murphy was. Mark Murphy was great, but he sometimes said the quiet part out loud more often than he should have. I don't see Ed Policy doing that Also. Ed Policy is only 54 years old and the mandatory retirement is 70. So he could be here for another 16 years. You never know right. So it'll be interesting to see just what comes of it. Ed Policy starts beginning of July, so here in a couple weeks, right. So I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of stamp or impact he's going to put on this team.
Speaker 1:I agree, I can't wait. You know, sometimes it's another voice in the room that kind of changes things and it's just an opinion, right Good, it doesn't have to see it as a threat. You just got to see it as an opinion in that room to him, because I it's. It's the age-old question with Gutekinds Does the hits in the late rounds outweigh the not-so-good picks in the early rounds? Because now you lost Jair, right? So the early round picks for Gutekinds are out the door.
Speaker 2:Basically, it's just Jordan right now, at this point.
Speaker 1:So it's like I mean until Jordan takes you to the Super Bowl, right, and Matt LaFleur and that man will come up there, then you hit, but until that happens. You're just a regular season dude, you're just a stat putter up there, exactly so I mean it's Because your other first round pick.
Speaker 2:Savage is gone, right. Jair is gone. Savage is gone. Rashawn is there, but we'll see what happens to Rashawn right. Then you got Jordan, then you got Van Ness.
Speaker 1:Van Ness, who not good, right, nope or sorry, he just hasn't hit his potential yet, even though he was a right and then, and then you got uh, then you got georgia boys yeah, quay, you got devonta wyatt.
Speaker 2:Devonta wyatt, a 24 year old prospect who people weren't even thinking when you go to first round. And then quay, I did see that that was was fine. Then Jordan Morgan, who another you know late round pick, who coming off ACL injury, again, you know, playing, just making picks that you think. I don't know it just sometimes it's like it's like they're overthinking it or they're not thinking hard enough. I don't know what it is Right.
Speaker 2:And then you know, this year, you know we, you know matthew golden was obviously the right pick. That I don't, that I'm not going to complain about, because for him to go he was a top 15 prospect, for us to get him in the 20s, I'm not going to argue with that. I like, I like the other guys, but those guys are taken. So it's like okay, fine, right, uh. But again, if somehow golden hits and rashaan can also, rashaan needs to get back to form because you know I'm saying like he tore his acl and he had a really bad injury. So I'm kind of wondering if it took him a little bit longer to get back than we thought. Right, maybe it's a two-year thing instead of one year thing. So it'll be interesting to see, just going forward, what's going to occur? Right, because that belt and pick is still throwing me off man. I understand he's a dancing bear and this and that, but but still just Trey Amos was on the game.
Speaker 1:I won't try to understand it, but we're going to try and understand it the closer we get to season here, and hopefully Brad. Judikins is right Hopefully he's right and they got the pieces in the room and we're going to see this defensive line and these young guys take off. That's what we're hoping for. But, Ummer, thank you, as always, for stopping by. Let the people know where to find you out there okay, guys, all right.
Speaker 2:So hey, trey, as always, thank you for having me, bro. Uh, we're probably gonna go on our show coast to coast packers probably friday's what I'm thinking right now. Uh, you can find me at uh on twitter, or x, but I call it twitter, so I'm old school, leave me alone. Uh, at am ar 3455. Uh, reach out to be there, follow me. And yeah, just um cam. Honestly, this is a dead period of the season, so we're going to be talking about all the different things that could be happening and you know just our own freaking thoughts we have on things. But just can't wait for training camp. Man, it just needs to get here. It just we just need training camp right now.
Speaker 1:I agree, because we're in this next week and we're about to hit the dead period in sports yes, it is, I'm looking forward to baseball is all that we got going on right now. The NBA is done. Even the Stanley Cup is done. We got golf.
Speaker 2:Basketball is about to be finished here this week, probably right.
Speaker 1:We got the UFL, so that's technically still around, but nobody asked me. I mean I try to get in the UFL. It doesn't have the same draw. I'll turn it on and then it'll be in the background.
Speaker 2:It's like a thing.
Speaker 1:It's like NASCAR, no NASCAR, so I can't watch NASCAR.
Speaker 2:I watched the first lap.
Speaker 1:I fall asleep. I watched the last three laps Like that's where I'm at in NASCAR.
Speaker 2:Look you better than me, man. I just throw on Netflix. I was going.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen yet they got enough documentaries out there nowadays that it works out yeah.
Speaker 1:Last Dance documentary. I've seen that like 14 times. I mean just all these random things. So, umber, thank you.
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Speaker 1:So we talked a little Brewers earlier. You know I wanted to talk about earlier in the show I talked about are the Brewers going to be buyers or sellers? Right? Because I saw a lot of people saying after this Cubs series we're going to find out if the Brewers are going to be buyers or sellers. This series against the Cubs will dictate that and I was like you know, it's the middle of June, like I don't know if I'm really dictating it right off of that, because there's a lot of things that can happen. Right, maybe you lose a series to the Cubs, but you go on an absolute tear and you win, you know, 18 of the next 30 games. Right, it could be something crazy, I don't know. What I'm saying is that there's a lot of things that can happen, so I'm not going to.
Speaker 1:It's not like you're in a horse race with the Cubs there, but you're also. I mean, a wild card is not out of the picture. You're still in a wild card chase. You have the Padres in there, the Giants are in there who got better, and that's where I'm looking at the Brewers now and I'm saying, okay, if you're trying to compete for a wild card or you're still trying to be competitive, I think the Brewers, like I said earlier on in the show, are toes in the water, but not jumping in team. Right now. They aren't completely there, but they're close, they're, they're on the verge. How close are you?
Speaker 1:Is the question mark that I think matt arnold and the brewers are asking themselves do they have the pieces in the realm where, if they go out and they maybe call the rockies and they say, hey, ryan mcmahon's been hitting better as of late. We would like to see him come to the brewers. What would you from us? And we can go and make a trade for him, not send out a whole. You know, I don't want to unload the farm on a guy, right, but get a guy like that coming in and you think he's going to be a difference maker this season. You think he can put you over top. Do you feel like you can win a? It's basically World Series, like he's making the playoffs really bad outside of playoff tickets. Is making the playoffs really that, outside of playoff tickets, making money for the team? I mean, outside of that, like what? If you're not a world series team, what are you? I mean, what are you chasing, right? So that's the question that I guess I'm asking right now 7, 1, 5, 9, 9, 0, 4, 9, 1, 4, because right now I'm a toes in but I'm not all the way in, I'm not trading the farm.
Speaker 1:But if a team calls about Freddie or Reese or maybe even a guy like William Contreras I know that's crazy talk, right, but you have guys coming up Jefferson Quirrell, the catcher, down there in the minors. I know it's a hope that he's going to hit at the big league level, but I think he's got a lot of ton of talent, so it's a that's where you're kind of at. If you're the Brewers, jake Bowers, do you think about moving a guy like that? If somebody called about Christian Yelich, yes, I would definitely take the phone call, but that's my opinion on it. Anyways, I know a lot of people are like oh, you can't trade Yelich. Yeah, maybe you could. Maybe you could. Right, you got a plethora of outfielders when you're healthy, maybe you try to, but maybe a guy like that you know he's on his way to Nashville and now, right now, for a rehab assignment I saw so maybe a guy like that. But I'm definitely a a team that's willing to make moves while not getting worse. I don't want to get worse by making the moves right.
Speaker 1:If you move a guy like Reese Hoskins, do you believe you have guys in the room who could fill that in? Do you believe andrew uh vaughn could be? Is he going to be a trade piece? Is it going to be? What do you see in a guy like andrew vaughn, who you just got for insta valley deal? You know a guy like bobby dowell back who's been hitting decent down there for, uh, triple a nashville. Is he a guy where you could potentially see him come up to the brewers at some point? So that's where you kind of look around. You're like, how close is this team? And I think honestly, this season is a transition. It's like a competitive transition year.
Speaker 1:You look to the next couple years. I think the Brewers are there. You have guys Jesus May, luis Pena, cooper, pratt on the way up, brock Wilkin. You got Mike Bovey. You got, I mean, tyler Black will be up eventually. You got outfielders galore Luis Lara's down there right now. He's like the next Jackson Turial on the way out. You got Sal. You got Terang. You got Jefferson Cuero to catch you out there. You got pitchers galore Henderson, carlos Rodriguez, jacob Mizorowski is already up in the bigs.
Speaker 1:You got a lot of guys, a lot of young guys, a lot of young guns. I mean I am not even tipping the iceberg of the pitchers I got down there. They have pitching prospects galore that are darn good. So they have a lot of weapons for future and you kind of have your eBay already up. You got a lot of young guys who are weapons for the future. So it's like you look, where are they at? I think a couple years from now they're going to be competing 2026. 2027. I think that's when the young guys come up and I think they compete. I think they kind of fell off a cliff this year, but an Orioles team from last year, but with better pitching, I think. So that's where I'm kind of at. That's where I'm kind of seeing this team right now. Is there going to be a team that's going to build it up from the ground? They're going to have all these young guys.
Speaker 1:The question is and this is where I'm at right now. I am let's sign you guys for a little bit and bet on you, right? We're going to bet on you, we're going to give you this contract and you're going to basically bet on yourself. That's where I'm at with the Jackson-Turio deal, right, long-term, not a boatload of money yet, because you haven't done anything yet. That's where I'm at right now with these young guys. That's where I'm at.
Speaker 1:Like Terang, you've got to make that deal here soon, because he's a gold glove second baseman who's hitting the ball, sal frelick. I don't think he's gonna really demand a huge amount, but he's still hitting the ball. So you're gonna have guys who are gonna come do money here pretty soon not, you know, in the future here, and you're gonna have to be able to find ways to make these moves. And that's where I'm kind of looking at the brews right now. I'm like sign some of these guys up right now. Why are we waiting? What are we waiting for? I have no idea. It's like they play these games with extensions and options and all this crap, and then you get the Freddy Peralta situation where now he's got an option here next year but you're looking at trading him and he's been pitching pretty darn well. So anyways, anyways, we'll see what the Brewers there, but I'd love to hear what you guys got to think. If you missed what I had to say about it, listen back on the podcast there, wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trades,14.
Speaker 1:So the Brewers they dropped game one to the Cubs. They're 5-3. Game two is going on as we're talking, so I don't have much that I can really throw in on that. It's on right now. So maybe you're listening to me, maybe you're listening to the Brewers, maybe you're listening to both. I have no idea. Maybe you're watching and listening, but the Brewers game one.
Speaker 1:They left I mean nine guys on base, one for 10, with runners in scoring position. Yelich goes 0-1. Hoskins 0-2. Contreras again 0-1. Ortiz got a hit, collins was 0-1. Frederick was 0-1. And Durbin was 0-2. Cubs left five guys on base. They hit a couple home runs, I mean that one by I don't know was that Strinsky? What are you trying to throw there? I mean, it's just a get-me-over-cutter there to start that eighth inning there. What was that? And then I mean Peter Crow Armstrong just takes him completely yard to start that inning. Suzuki had a pretty good swing on a home run, a swing that he had early on in the game. Kyle Tucker continues to tear the cover off the ball every time I see him. But it's just this Brewers team, once again runners in scoring position, and I just don't.
Speaker 1:We moved Terang down in the order. I don't understand why you moved Terang down. What is the presence of Christian Yelich in the four spot doing for me at this point? Really, what is it? I mean we have Isaac Collins who's got a .375 slugging right now. That's ahead of Contreras, that's ahead of Durbin Ortiz. I mean it's ahead of guys that you wouldn't even think he was ahead
Speaker 1:of. Then you look at a guy. You look at his on base percentage right now. Isaac Collins has got a higher on base percentage. Look at across there. Then I mean Churio, he's got a higher on base percentage. Then, um, yeah base percentage than. Um, yeah, what she's got a higher on base percentage than. I mean a couple
Speaker 1:different. It's this brewers lineup right now. I I wouldn't be opposed to seeing them tinkering around with contraris and yellich in that middle half right now, because the middle half your lineup. It's been a couple times now where they're like, oh, the middle half the lineup's coming up, be scared. It's like I'm not scared of this middle half lineup right now for the brewers right, it's just the. The amount of guys we're seeing left on base is reminiscent of what we've seen for years now with this team. They just struggle to bring in
Speaker 1:runners. We saw what was the ultimate failure in that Diamondbacks series in the playoffs a couple years ago Runners in scoring position. I mean I think that one game they had 22 guys on base and they scored. I think what 1-1, run, run out of it. I mean it was terrible. The brewers are the one team where you can load up the bases with nobody out and somehow find a way to not score a run. They do that more times than I believe anybody else. I don't know if it's a stat I'm not gonna don't quote me as a stat but it just feels like it, watching it I I am just watching this team right now and it's like, okay, how are you realistic, are you going to compete with a team like the Cubs if you're in a game like this and the Cubbies are? They find ways to score runs. You put guys on base and at the end of the day you end up leaving nine guys on base and you're one for ten with runners in scoring position, not going to win many games like that. So the Brewers I mean, as I'm talking right now, they lose five to three. They, I mean they still
Speaker 1:got. You got mizorowski going for the brewers coming up here. That'll be, uh, 705 start tonight. So, as we're talking right now, that game's going on. So mizorowski's in that one against jameson talon and then you're gonna have peralta go against horton coming up on thursday. That 120 start there. So you're gonna have your guns. Hopefully Mizorowski can give you a good outing. You can score some runs for
Speaker 1:him. Then you got Peralta going for you on Thursday, you got to find a way to salvage at least a game in this series, right, if not two, to make it come out of this, because then you got Twins coming up. After that you got Pittsburgh, you got the Rockies. Here's the thing thing if you can handle your business, if you win this series somehow with chicago right, and then knock on wood, I'm hoping they do right and then you go to, you take twins on, you go to minnesota, you win that. You come back home, you got pittsburgh and you got colorado two winnable series that you have. Against those two. I mean you face skeins, but we know skeins can't win games because he gives up one run and he loses. So you got pittsburgh and colorado, then you playets, but then you have the Marlins in there. So you're going to have an easier stretch of games coming up if you are the
Speaker 1:Brewers. But you got to win these games with some competitive teams and right now the biggest problem I see with the Milwaukee Brewers is when I look at this team, you want to have it realistically. When you look at the end of the day, you want to have a winning, you want to have have about a five, probably a 750 record on at home, probably about 750, and on the road you want to be about 500. On the road right now they're 16 and 20. At home they're 23 and 15. We got to see the home game start to take off a little bit there, but on the road you got to see them. You know, find ways to win games. Look at what the cubs are doing this year 24 and 12 at home, 21 and 16 on the on the road. That tells you what the cubs have done so far in the year. So right now you're chasing the
Speaker 1:cubs. Right now you are currently, I believe, six and a half back as we're talking right now. Maybe just may you find ways to salvage a couple games here. The cubs they I mean they. I saw at one point they had one of the easier schedules to start the year. Hopefully that schedule starts to get a little more daunting on them. They're going to play Seattle, then St Louis, then Houston, then Cleveland, then St Louis again, then the Twins, then the Yankees. So I mean they have a tough stretch of games coming up for the
Speaker 1:Cubs. This is a time where the Brewers got to pick up ground, and how is that going to start? Your bats got to get going. They got to find a way to put runs across the board right now, because the left on base is the big stat that's sticking out to me right now with this Milwaukee Brewers team. So that's about all. We could go on and on, but I'm running out of time. This is where I get every single week. I get all over the place and then I run out of time here. So we're going to come back, we're going to wrap it up for the day here. We're going to get out of here. So we'll be right back here on Wisconsin Sports on the go with Trace when we wrap up the
Speaker 1:hour. Welcome back in as we wrap up the show here for the day on this Wednesday, june 18th, a fantastic Wednesday here in the great state of Wisconsin. I mean, we got into it all tonight. Here, we talked top of the show. We talked a little NBA. We little NBA. Kyle wasn't able to stop by tonight here. He got underneath the weather. He wasn't able to stop by, so Kyle wasn't able. We talked NBA a little bit. Earlier on, we talked what was grinding my gears. We talked the Wilson Contreras situation. We talked Brewers. We talked Packers today here. We got back into the Brewers. We were all over the place bouncing around, bouncing around and sadly we ran out of time tonight here on the
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