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January 28 Hour 1: Packers new DC, Brewers and more!
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Opening And Agenda
SPEAKER_00This is Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trage. Your place for all things Wisconsin Sports. Now, your host, Trage. How are we doing, everybody? And welcome into Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trage. I'm your host, Trage, as we're coming in here on this Wednesday. I hope you guys are enjoying your Wednesday so far here. Hope you guys have enjoyed your week since we talked last this last Saturday here. A lot of stuff has happened. Packers got their defensive coordinator. We're going to talk about that in a minute here. Kind of get started with the Packer talk because Umber's going to be stopping by here next on the show, and we're going to get into that. Badgers dropped that game to USC. And I thought that was out of all the games we've watched from the Badgers this season, and there's been, I mean, there's been some ugly ones, right? The BYU game comes to mind. There's been some Nebraska, definitely Nebraska. There's been some ugly games. I thought this game was mismanaged. And I it was very, it was a letdown of a game, to be honest with you. So I want to talk about that today here. Talk about Greg Guard. Talk about this Badger team. I know I'm not firing Greg guard. I'm not in that camp. I know there's always the I believe it's Grant Bill's always post that Fire Guard meter on Twitter there all the time. And you know, after every loss, it's Fire Guard. After every win, it's tough night for the uh Fire Guard crowd. I'm not in that camp. I'm not firing him after that performance, but I thought there were problems with him in that game. I thought there were problems with some of the players in this game here. So Christian's gonna stop by. We're gonna talk about that Badger game here today on the show. We got, like I said, Pacon talk to YouTube, Badgers. We're gonna talk Bucks later on here in the show. Giannis Porter both out now. It is wow for the Milwaukee Bucks. So the guys from Whistle Fanatics are gonna stop by. We're gonna try to shed some light on what we would do with this Bucks team moving forward because as of right now, with the trade deadline looming, not a whole lot, not a whole lot trending in the right direction. So we're gonna get into that today here on the show. I want to talk a little bit of brewers. We got a lot to dive into. Right away, though, before we're gonna have a little short intro here before we jump over, hit a break, come back. Umr's gonna stop by. We're gonna talk about defensive coordinator hire. We're gonna do our offensive grades uh for the this last season for the Packers there. Over the weekend, we saw you know, Gannon gets hired, and there is a lot of mixed feelings from fans all over, right? It's the this is a terrible hire. Look what he did with the Cardinals. I know I see that. I see what happened with the Cardinals. He wasn't technically the defensive coordinator in there, yet there still is that question mark there. Then, but then you look back to his time with Philly and had a really good defense. Now they had a lot of stars there. Packers have a good defense, they have a lot of stars on this defense. Maybe it's a fit, right? I thought it was odd, I will say. I thought they would give Jim Leonard a chance. I thought they would at least interview Jim Leonard and then maybe go on to Gannon. The talk was that Gannon was getting offers or getting at least interest elsewhere. So the Packers thought, okay, we got to bounce now. Matt LaFleur is a guy where we've heard it before. He likes to have guys who he can bounce ideas off of. That being Gannon, a guy who's been a head coach. He likes to have that kind of chemistry. Other guys in the room who've been there done that. So he's looking at Gannon in that light. I don't know if I like that, to be honest with you. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. I understand the ability to bounce ideas off of, but Jim Leonard, I thought, in there's two, I there's two ways that I guess people like to look at the Jim Leonard thing. One being, okay, he's from Wisconsin, so everybody wanted him because he's a Wisconsin guy and they thought it would be cool. That's why they're upset that he didn't get hired. I'm upset because I I like the mystery of Jim Leonard. He ran a really good defense with Wisconsin. He's been pretty good, he's had a his career has been good throughout. So I just kind of like the idea of Jim Leonard due to what we've seen from him in the past and what he's been able to do and accomplish. And he's a player guy. I thought he'd been really good in there developing guys. I thought when his defenses, Gannon's kind of in that same boat. He's gonna bring, I believe, a little bit more of a physicality, a little more physical play to this Packers defense. I really do like that about Gannon. But when I look at Jim Leonard, I think same thing. Okay, he's gonna bring a lot of that same physicality, you know, that that tough nose football. That's the way Jim Leonard coached. So I I like the idea of Jim Leonard in that sense. I thought it was odd that he didn't get I I can only imagine that the Packers had to have. Do you jump on Gannon because he was going to, you were gonna lose him, or do you jump on Ganon because you talked to maybe you didn't talk to Jim Leonard, but you got that feeling because what I saw was that there was mutual interest between the two. There was that mutual interest. So it just felt odd that it all happened so fast. And with the Packers, and something that I want to talk about today here. We're gonna get more into that defensive coordinator stuff, but something I want to dive into with Ummer is why have I mean the Mat LaFleur contract, right? He's extended. We heard that he's extended, it's uh commitment kind of thing, right? But we haven't had numbers come out, not years, nothing. The Packers haven't announced it yet. Even Ganon, there's been no announcement. Now, I I don't want to read too far into that, I guess. But I want to get serious now. I want to get serious that this offseason, this Matt LaFleur hire has a lot riding on it. If he gets this wrong, I want to hear what you guys think. 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. Let me know your thoughts on the defensive coordinator hire and this thought. If Ganon fails, I believe Matt LaFleur gets fired. I do. I think he his his job is riding on what Ganon does with this defense. And if together they can get over the hump. Now, there's a lot of other things that are going to play into this, right? The special teams need to get better. I don't truthfully know what Steno does at this point. I I don't even understand the Steno situation because he's like half in, half out at this point. He's out the door, but not. I I would just honestly either tell him to go coach the offensive line or get out at this point. That's just my opinion on it. But I'm looking at the Gannon hire and saying this hire for Matt LaFleur is his job. I think the leash is really short, in my opinion. The leash is really short on Matt LaFleur. This has got to work. And if this doesn't work, if this hire doesn't work, I don't think there's a second chance in there. Unless if the offense and everything else just works out fantastic. And the only reason why they lose is because Ganon, Ganon just screwed up, then maybe, just maybe, there's a glimmer of hope. But Matt LaFleur is the guy. Matt LaFleur is the guy who wants Ganon. From what I've read, from what I've heard. I know everybody says policy this, policy this. I don't think it's policy. This is a this is a Matt LaFleur guy. This feels like a Matt LaFleur hire. And I know there's the conspiracy out there that Matt LaFleur only wants to bring in guys who he isn't afraid of out coaching him or taking his job. I don't know. This feels like one of them. It doesn't, I don't hate the hire, but at the same time, I question the hire. So we're gonna talk about that. Umer's gonna stop by, we're gonna get into all of that. We're gonna talk about Gannon, we're gonna talk about Steno a little bit, this coaching staff, what's kind of been assembled because we've seen Halfly leave now, the linebackers coach left. So we're seeing guys kind of depart at this point. They're gonna have to refill that room. So there's a lot of talk gonna happen with the coaching staff there. We're gonna get into that. We're gonna talk about our offensive grades for the year because we we kind of started it last week, but we were a little bit rushed. I want to get into that today here on the show. Tons of stuff to dive into yet here on the show. This is just our number one of two of Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trade. We'll be right back here after this. Quick Trade. I'm your host, Trade, as we're coming back in here on this Wednesday. And hey, this next segment, Ummer is stopping by. We're gonna talk a little packers here. This next segment is brought to you by Chili Implement. Tackle your toughest jobs on the farm or in your yard with equipment from Chili Implement. Visit Chili Implement and find what you need today. We got you might, we're gonna have snow coming eventually, all that kind of stuff. Springs around the corner, you gotta get some yard work done. Check out Chili Implement down there, they'll get you what you need. So, Amher is here tonight. Amr, how are we doing? It's Wednesday, hump day, right? Middle of the week. How we doing?
SPEAKER_02Good, man. I'm good, man. It's we're in DMV, we got a good chunk of snow. I'm gonna say about between like uh I want to say like 10 to maybe maybe 16 inches of snow with ice too. And uh I spent most of Saturday cleaning it, and I spent most of Sunday trying to like break it all down because they turn into ice. I spent most of Monday doing the same thing, and I spent uh afternoon today digging out my in-laws. So it's been uh it's been a fun, uh it's been a fun few days.
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Packers Front Office Silence And Contracts
SPEAKER_00You guys got more snow there than we got up here. We just got cold. We just got all the cold. We don't even have that much snow at this point here. It just feels like a false, well, not a false winter because it's super cold, just like uh a really cold, no snow winter. That's where we're at right now. I this temporary studio I'm in, we're redoing the studio. I didn't I didn't mention that off the top, but redoing the studio, repainting the walls every time. I got I got Marilyn Monroe in the background here, she's rocking in the background there. I know nobody on the radio can see this right now. They're like, what are they talking about? You know, so I got this. This room's got this echo, it's got this real bad echo. So I'm talking and it's like I'm hearing it. I know I got headphones on, so it's like, but not the same, not the same. It's like echoing around this room right now. But anyways, anyways, we're glad, we're glad you're here tonight and survive that snow because goodness, it sounds like it's a mess. Well, and you get down there and nobody's ready for that kind of snow up here. It's like, oh yeah, we'll just go shovel it, we'll be fine, we'll work. And it's like down there, it's like people don't even have shovels. Right. I could have brought you, could have called me, I could have brought my snowblower down there. We could have a party, we could have just kept going. I made a workout of it, so you're fine. It was worth it, it was worth it. Right, right. So we gotta talk about some packers here tonight because I started at top of the show, and let's just start with that question that I had. I'm really confused on what's going on in Green Bay right now. Yeah, we have contract extensions going out, we have contracts, we have agreements, right? Jonathan Gannon's coming into the DC, Matt LaFleur got extended. There's no like announcement from the Packers, there's no nothing. I don't know what's going on in Green Bay at this point with this coaching staff. We know LaFleur's coming back. How long? I don't know. What does it look like? Is there options? I have no idea. Jonathan Gannon's coming in. I have no idea for how long. Is it like a two-year, three year, four? I have no idea how long Jonathan Gannon's in here. Steno, I have no idea what's happening with Stenno at this point. He's one foot in, one foot out. Rich Basaccia, they say they love him. I don't know what's going on with that. This whole coaching staff seems like a mess. I'm at the point. You look at this roster, you look at this team they have coming back, right? And I say, wow, they should be really good next year. They should be able to, everything that we thought they could do this year, they'll be healthy. Everybody will be back, knock on wood, they stay healthy. They should be able to go on a run. But it's a mess. You're already starting the offseason here, and it's a mess. Now things will sort themselves out, of course, eventually here, but I hate how on serious it seems like it is in Green Bay right now. I mean, are you kind of in that same boat? It's just, it's it's odd. It's confusing what's happening in Green Bay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, I have to admit, like, you know, they announced the floors uh extension, I want to say about two or two weeks ago or a week and a half ago. Then we assigned, you know, on Sunday we found out about Gannon, you know, and we're starting to see slowly certain people. I think they always wait till like, well, I think like April last year is when they actually locked in the coaching staff, right? And I mean, no one wants to wait till April to find that out. But truth be told, like, it's a little strange because I thought like you would have got LaFleur's extension announced, you would have got Goody's extension announced, you would have got Russ Ball's extension announced. We haven't got none of that. And I feel that's kind of strange, not strange, but just the fact that they're still working on it. And if you listen to the Thomas Soverstein, the Jason Waldies, the Rob Domowsky's, they're still going through the contract extension process. I'm kind of wondering, like, hey, what's the holdup? You know, like is this typical, or is there something kind of going on where Goody is trying to maybe ask for maybe a little more power, make more money? I don't know. And or maybe they're asking to some maybe some kind of concessions as well, too. I'm not sure, but I have to admit, it is a little strange. The coach staff thing is I think it's typical right now because when it came to LaFleur, he does take a long time. Remember when in 2021 when Mo Drayton really was way overqualified for the job to be a special teams coach, and it took him like what, like two weeks after the season ended for them to actually you know fire him, knowing that he wasn't the man for the job. So, again, I think LaFleur does have a hard time firing guys, you know, because even when he did fire Moe Drayton, he was trying to still find a way to keep him on the staff, right? So it's like a little bit of like you're not really sure what's kind of going on behind the scenes because again, the one thing that is a double-edged sword with the Packers at 1265 is that everything is hush-hush. Very rarely are things leaked. I mean, if you think about it, like you had this mutual interest with Leonard, and then he's already now being considered for the DC job in Buffalo, right? And just this truth be told, like, even when it came to the extension of her LaFleur, like which we haven't got confirmed yet, like it hasn't like been announced, but it took how long for us to find out about that, right? And again, it is interesting to say the least. I think that there's a I don't think there's anything wrong with giving some trepidation about why things haven't been announced yet, especially as our coach, our GM, our our cap guy, all those things you think would have been already locked in by now. Because again, you would have thought like LaFleur would have had an end-of-year season press conference. I don't think he's had that yet, right? Nope. And you know, Goodye also has his end of year uh set season press conference, too. So yeah, it's a little like I think because the fact that it's a dead period right now, especially the Packers, you know, the Packers have been haven't been doing anything since they got knocked out, right? So we have that, and then now we have like a week or two, we have two weeks into the Super Bowl. So it's gonna be a more like us trying to fill in the blanks, and what is it, e Shrine Bowl and the Senior Bowl are the only two things really holding us over right now? Yeah, yeah.
Gannon Hired As Packers DC
SPEAKER_00So I don't know. It's like if I was a player, I would just want to know, okay, how long is Matt LaFleur here? If I'm a big Matt LaFleur guy, I just want to know. I just you know, maybe maybe some of the guys do know. I I have no idea, right? But I don't know. I'm just kind of in that camp where it's like, I just want to know. I and I that's just me as a fan, I guess. But if I was a player sitting in a player's shoes, I'd want to know how long my head coach is gonna be here. I want to know how long my GM's gonna be here, the guy who's you know controlling everything. I want to know those kinds of things. I don't really care about the Russ Ball thing, I guess, as much, but for sure, Matt LaFleur. I want to know how long he's gonna be here. So I guess that's just kind of where I find it odd, at least with the Matt LaFleur, is that it was announced, like you said, two weeks ago that we found out he's got the extension, and we just haven't seen any even years. Years. I don't need to see even numbers. I don't even like, do I care? Yes, I want to know how much he's getting, how much he's racking up, but I just want to know how many years is Matt LaFleur here? What is the contract? And like you said, they're working on the fine stuff, maybe, but that's also different because you would have thought, okay, they they got the agreement, they figured it all out, they did the fine-tuning, right? Because usually it comes down to figuring out the little things in there. People look at the numbers, the years, and the money, but it's the little things in there, the options and all that kind of stuff in a contract that really is the stuff that gets worked on. So now you're sitting here like, okay, what's what's the deal? What's the holdup? Why are why is nothing being announced? Why is Matt LaFor? You know, they wait with these press conferences and everything like that. So we know that, but it's just an odd, odd, quiet, like you said, odd and quiet from 1265. So I guess we'll just wait and see what kind of happens there. But we do know is that Jonathan Gannon is the new defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers. And Ummer, there's it depends who you ask, right? Some people are completely up and I saw I saw Ummer's tweet. I Ummer's tweet was he he was not happy at first. He he did get talked into it a little bit. I saw it, I was reading through the comments. Um, got talked into it a little bit, but he was not happy with the hire at first. He's an Iberflus guy, I believe. He comes out of that Iberflus tree a little bit there, I believe, in the workings. So it's uh it's I don't know, it's an interesting hire. It definitely actually was one that we we had on our list when we talked about the defensive coordinators, but he wasn't the top. We were talking Al Harris, we were talking Jim Leonard, we were waiting for those guys. Ganon was on the list, but he definitely wasn't our number one choice. Ends up being the first choice for the Green Bay Packers. So, Ummer, I mean, Ganon coming to Green Bay here. He's the new defensive coordinator. What are your thoughts on it? I so when I first heard it, I went to bed the night before.
SPEAKER_02I'm very like superstitious guy, right? So let me tell you about my superstition. All right, so every time I always have a Packers sweatshirt or a t-shirt, I go to sleep, and I always take it off before I go to bed, right? And when I take it off, I always put on my nights. And I said to myself, before putting on my nights, I don't I couldn't find it, and it was like no room up there, so I put it on the floor. I was like, watch, I put this on the floor, we're gonna hire Ganon tomorrow. I swear on my life I said that. Woke up the next morning, and what was the news? We hired Ganon. And I'm just like, my first response that anyone saw it was, screw this. I used probably other colorful language, and then from there I went and said, This feels like Joe Berry 2.0. And I had a lot of people in my mentions telling me this is nowhere close to being Joe Berry 2.0. And I was emotional because there's a lot of things about Ganon, right? Where like, you know, his explosives and his like introductory press conference as a head coach, his time on hard knocks, him punching, um Amari DeMarco, uh DiMacario uh form on the ball before the end zone. Even though if you go back and look, it kind of thinks he did cross the plane with the ball. Uh just a lot of things that he's done that wasn't a big fan of. He didn't coach the defense on uh in Arizona. That that was uh his uh defensive coordinator Rawls. Uh but when he was in Philly, he did have a defense that got that team to the Super Bowl. And when it came to the talent on the team, which was my biggest argument, he had a really stacked defense. But then we go back and look, his defense is relatively close to what our defense is right now when it comes to some of the players, right? And so that the league in sacks, um, you know, was basically top five or top ten in every metric. In fact, the only metric he was in was run defense, which is obviously something that's always been a problem with Green B, anyways. And based on the things that people have been saying about him, I am definitely coming around. He's of Everflus and also of Mike Zimmer. And the thing was like he was uh, I think a safety at Louisville and he busted up his hip. And then when he got in the league, I mean think about the guys have he has what 18 years of experience of coaching, and he got in the league at 23 as a personnel guy, and then went to the coaching side on defense, and then basically has been coaching since. So he actually has more experience than the guys that we're all in love with, like the Durante Jones and the Christian Parker and the Jim Leonards. Um, and so uh for me, I was very much against the higher, but now it's been a few days. I'm starting to come around because A, he's our guy, so I don't have a choice, and B, I'm I'm I'm in a position where I'm willing to eat crow if I'm wrong about it, right? And the difference is too, is he's coached good defenses, like he doesn't have bad defenses as a DC, correct? Right. Joe Barry never coached a good defense, he all his defenses were bad, and we are tarked ourselves into uh believing that this time will be different for us, and clearly, what is that definition of insanity, right? And so All in all. I'm I'm hype. I'm waiting to see what he can do with the the the cast of characters that we have. And I can't wait to hear his opening press conference as a DC.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. No, I I like the physicality that I think he's gonna bring to Green Bay. I think that's kind of what we were looking for when we were talking about you know, personality and traits that we wanted in a DC. I thought Jim Leonard would have brought that same thing, so don't get me wrong. Like I still, I still would have wanted him to interview Jim Leonard. I still would have been okay if they would have hired Jim Leonard, don't get me wrong. I think and I don't hate the Ganon hire. Like I think Gannon, I think he's gonna bring that edge to this defense. He might switch it up. He might be, I don't know, they're talking about a 3-4, maybe, that we could see out of this defense a little bit. So he likes to play with a lot of backs. We'll wait and see kind of how that all works out in Green Bay with the personnel that he's got. But I mean, I like the edge that I think he's going to bring to Green Bay. So I have no problem with the Gannon higher. And it's a kind of, like you said, a wait and see. He's had good defenses in the past when he's had stars. Now, when he went to Arizona, he was the head coach. He wasn't the defensive coordinator. He probably had some say in the room, but at the same time, it was also the Arizona Cardinals. There was a lot of mess going on in Arizona to begin with. They had a lot of injuries that didn't help out with his defense. So a lot of problems in Arizona all the way around. But like you said, with Philly, he had top defenses. Now he comes out of the Iberfluss tree, which a lot of people don't like. I think he was their backs coach when Iberflus was the D coordinator. I believe that was with the Colts. That I think that's where I saw it. Was it with the Colts or something like that? So I think I could be wrong. Hummer, you want to you want to see if you can find that? You want to see if you can find that? I I thought Iberflus was with the Colts, and I thought he was the he was the back.
SPEAKER_02He was the defensive, he was the defense uh coordinator for the Colts. And then him and Poles, I believe, came together from the Colts to be uh a tandem GM head coach in tandem in Chicago.
Scheme Fit Vs Personnel Needs
SPEAKER_00Okay, so I think I'm pretty sure Gannon was the backs coach there when Iberfluss. That's where I think he connects with the Iberflus tree. Everybody likes to do their trees, where it's like the McFay tree and the Shanahan tree, and they like to do their trees. I think that's where he comes out of the Iberflus tree, but definitely did some great things with the Eagles. So I'm hoping that transpires with the Packers. Now, here's my problem. And I kind of thought about this when I was thinking about the Gannon hire and everything like that. It doesn't really matter who comes in as defensive coordinator if the Packers don't address the problems on the defense. You look at that secondary, you look at who you had in that secondary. Now, I don't completely dislike Keyshawn Nixon. I think Keyshawn Nixon was trying to play a role that Keyshawn Nixon wasn't meant to play that role. Keyshawn Nixon was not meant to be cornerback one. Keyshawn Nixon could have been maybe a slot guy, possibly a hard-hitting guy in there, even though when I needed him to be a hard hitter on the goal line, he decided to jump out of the way. Outside of that, let's let's look beyond that play. He was in a role that I don't think he was supposed to be in. And then you look at Carrington Valentine. Valentine just doesn't want to hit anybody at this point. It just he's so disinterested in playing defense that it's unreal. And then you had injuries that didn't help out there. They just didn't have depth out there. They didn't have good depth, and they didn't have a good room to begin with. So I think honestly, if you don't address your problem in the cornerback room, it doesn't really matter who you bring in as DC. Because if you don't have the right personnel in the room to begin with, it doesn't matter who's coaching them, whether it's Halfley, whether it's Gannon, whether it was Joel Berry or anybody in between, it doesn't really matter. You need to get guys in that room. It's nobody in the NFL right now, outside of maybe Pat Sertan, uh, there's probably a couple other guys that I'm gonna miss. Interestingly, yeah. Yeah, those guys, you could probably throw them out there. They could go one-on-one, right? Outside of that, there's not a lot of corners anymore that can go one-on-one with a lot of these wide receivers. There is a lot of explosive wide receivers in the league, Pupa Nakua. I mean, you could go through a laundry list of guys that it's really hard to defend these days. There's no Revis Island anymore. There's nothing like that. It's it's zone coverage is the big thing nowadays. And Gannon, he's gonna run zone as everybody else does. It's a common thing in the NFL. Now it's about getting the guys who can play that zone and play it well. Don't get lost out there looking at Nixon, looking at Garrington Valentine. A lot of the big plays the Bears had, a lot of those, you know, heaves that Caleb Williams had, miss coverage. Where's Nixon? Where's Valentine? They're underneath the play, they don't have any idea. So it's about getting the right guys out there, too. So when I look at the defense, I say I like Gannon, but you have to address problems. And that's where the draft comes in, right? I think they're gonna draft a lot of defense in this draft, if I'm gonna be completely honest with you. I think they're gonna go a lot, probably on the defensive line, because we saw the lack of depth there at defensive tackle. So I think they're gonna kind of look in that room. I think they're gonna look at the cornerback room. They're gonna try to add depth in there. They're gonna have some money to spend. They're gonna cut some guys. Rashawn Gary most likely will be one of those guys. I imagine probably Dontavian Wicks will be another one of those guys. So those guys will probably get moved on from. You're gonna save some money. They'll have money to spend. Maybe they'll go out and grab a corner. Maybe they'll go out and grab a D-tackle. Probably nobody of big name, but some good pieces that they could fit in there for Gannon. But Amir, I mean, am I off base saying like it didn't really matter who you brought in a defensive coordinator if you don't address the problems that you have in this room?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think you're I think that um a coach is coach, players play, right? And you know, there are some coaches who can really get the most to get, you know, like they say you squeeze a turnip and get as much juice out of that turnip as possible, right?
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_02And I feel like that's what you expect of most guys you get as your DC or your OC. You want them to be able to take wherever talent you have and mold them into the best they can be, right? And if you do not fix the uh the talent issue when it comes to some of the sides on the offensive, defense, and special teams for Green Bay, you're always gonna keep having the same problem. And if you look at like the bottom of our roster, we have a lot of death pieces, but we don't really have uh bona fide uh specific you know special teams players minus Zayn Anderson is probably the only and and maybe uh Christian Walsh and you know Nyman are probably the only three, right? Everybody else has some type of role on defense, right? And those special teams guys eventually go on, and we had Nyman out there covering uh Loveland on a on a two-point conversion, which was the worst thing you could have done. You know what I'm saying? Like having a special teams guy who ain't got no business covering a tight end out there. So I'm with you. Like I feel like there's been a lot that's been kind of been put on LaFleur's shoulders uh when it comes to the coaching decisions and some of the players that are out there in their development, but I definitely think it should really fall back on beauty. I think that you know we right now are watching the Super Bowl where two guys that were formerly literally a part of the Packers front office, John Snyder and Elliot Wolf. Elliot Wolf being role, they both being basically royalty, right? If people didn't know, John Snyder was actually one of the finalists for the president role uh for Green Bay. Uh Rob Domowski actually reported that yesterday, that actually John Snyder was going through it and he was a finalist. Um, but they decided they didn't want a football guy running uh the president, you know, running the Packers again, even though Mark Murphy was kind of a football guy too, right? Maybe they didn't want that again. And maybe Ed Ball Ed Policy's kind of you know done his thing. But Rob reported that yesterday, and just to know that like at one point John Snyder had like a poison pill thing in his like contract with Seattle that if uh the GM job ever opened up in Green Bay, that he'd be able to leave to go to that job. And I think that he had actually put his name in the hat when Goody was hired as well, too. Right? So it's a lot, there's a little tip there, but uh all I'll say is that you saw John Snyder and Elliot Wolf, two guys that took two organizations, uh Elliot Wolf's first time in the Super Bowl, right? And now this will be John Snyder's third time in the Super Bowl, right? No, one, two, yeah, third time. Okay. And what I say about that is how many times has GUI been in the Super Bowl? Zero. And I I understand that's probably not fair to him, but it's just something to think about. Like maybe hindsight's obviously 2020, but uh look where we are now, where it's been 15 plus years now since we've been in the Super Bowl, and we have had some close calls. But again, the number one thing that we can go back and look for a reason why the Packers have not gone to the Promised Land again. Uh a lot of those years is because of special teams, and it's because of the bottom of that roster that wasn't really, you know, really panned out properly. It's something that Ted Thompson did a really good job of, right? And yeah, I don't I feel like you know the floor gets a lot of heat, but I think some of the heat needs to go back on Goody, personally. Yeah, I think he's done a good job, but he could be better. And I think that's where we need to see if he can do that or not.
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SPEAKER_00It's the little things, right? It's you can put a roster together, but it's about putting that one guy. It it comes down to that one guy, right? Putting that one guy in that right spot. And I thought last season he did that. It just that one guy got hurt, and once that one guy got hurt, it all imploded, right? You got Micah Parsons, and then once Parsons got hurt, well, you lost Kraft and you lost Devontae Wyatt, which were huge losses to begin with. And then you lose Parsons on top of all of that. That was your one piece. He went all in, and I you you have to applaud what he did, I guess, in that aspect. We're just looking at the grand scheme of things. Okay, what does he have to do even with Parsons, even with Kraft, even with Devontae Wyatt? They're still missing pieces to put them over the top. You look at what the Texans have done with that defense, and you look at what Seattle has with that defense there. They have those little pieces. It's not just about the Will Andersons, right? It's it's the little pieces out there in the cornerback room that do the little things throughout a game. And that's where we're looking with Goody is to make those fine-tuning moves, the finishing touch on the masterpiece, right? The finish, the last, that last stroke of the paintbrush. That's what you need. That last stroke that finishes the Mona Lisa. I don't know nothing about the Mona Lisa. I don't even know who painted it. I probably should know. I probably learned it in school. I have no idea. But either way, either way, we hindsight being 2020. The Ganon hire, it happened. We're gonna see what happens. We don't know. Like all of us, we can we can freak out about it, we can be okay with it, we can be upset at the world. Your opinion is your opinion. I want you guys to have your opinion. If you don't like the hire, let us know. 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. If you don't like the hire, let us know. If you like it, let us know. We want to know all your opinions because I you know what drives me nuts, Ummer. You know what drives me nuts is people can't have an opinion anymore about sports. They can't. Like across social media, if you post like, I don't like this hire, you will have 900 people hit your comments and tell you how you don't know what you're talking about. Because that's gonna happen to me. It's like you can come in here and have a like, I want to debate. I don't want to have because you know, those comments always lead to like, then they just go for personal attacks, and you have no idea how you got to that point in the conversation all the time. It just drives me absolutely nuts. So, anyways, anyways, we gotta hit a break. When we come back, we're gonna hit our offensive grades for 2025. We're gonna hit, we're gonna start with the quarterback room, work our way down, we'll see how far we get today. We'll continue that through the weeks upcoming. So we'll be right back here on this time we go with Trade. Trade, I'm your host, Trade, as we're coming back in here on this Wednesday. And hey, this next segment, Amers sticking around. We're gonna do our Packers offensive grades. So at least start them. Our Packers offensive grades for 2025. This next segment is brought to you by Casa M. Spice. Are you craving bold gourmet flavor without those MSGs, fillers, or excess salt? Meet Casa Am Spice Company, the award-winning spice blend born in Texas. You'll ignite your taste buds and create fresh flavors meal after meal. You can have this stuff on anything. Vegetables, steak. You maybe maybe you're making a brisket. I don't know. Maybe you're making a brisket outside. Chili. I made a chili with this stuff. Wow. Fantastic. I'm telling you, check them out across social media there, especially on Twitter. They will post recipes on there. This stuff's fantastic. Your kids will love it. You'll love it. Your in-laws will love it. Everybody will love it. It'll make you feel better. Umer, it'll make him feel better right now. He's snowed in. It'll make him feel better having some Casa M spice. So make sure you can hold it out there. So Amr is back. We're going to continue our Packer Talk that we had. We just talked about Jonathan Gannon, that hire, the mess that's going on in 1265 right now. If you guys missed any portion of the show, make sure you're listening next day across all the podcast platforms. And if you want to be involved in the show, give us your opinion because we care about your opinion. Hit us up, 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. So other we gotta do this. We kind of started it last week, but I want to restart because we were rushed on time. We didn't get to talk about these rooms completely. So I want to restart. We're gonna do our offensive grades for the Green Bay Packers in 2025. And we're gonna start right away with the quarterback room, of course. You gotta start in the quarterback room. You had play from Jordan Love, we know that. Malik Willis, who had four games played, and then Clayton Toon, who we watched. And well, Clayton Toon is counted into the quarterback room, but we're gonna discount him because it was a disaster, and those games didn't really matter that he played in. So let's talk about Jordan Love and Malik Willis here. Let's grade these quarterbacks. Amor, I'll let you take the first one. You grade either one of them. Take Malik Willis or take Jordan Love. Give your grade, I'll give mine, and then I'll start the next.
SPEAKER_02I think like for I'll go Malik. And so for Malik, I give him an A. Primary because of the fact that he was able to come in and keep us competitive. Um, he did that last year, he did that this year. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to win the game against Chicago. Again, that was not really his fault because the fact that was a bad snap by Sean Ryan. And then basically nobody showed up before the Baltimore game. Well, actually, I take that back. He was in the game until he got hurt, which he was doing from injury from the week before because Austin Booker's the probably one of the dirtiest players I've seen in a long time, and Navakin Sue level. Uh he definitely, you know, again, had shot to keep us in the game against Baltimore. That once he went out, it was all she rev. So I'd give him an A because as a backup's job is to come in and to keep your team going in the right direction. And he did that. And so I feel like what he did as a backup, there's a lot of backups in his league, cannot do that.
SPEAKER_00Right. I would have to say I'm in that, I'm in that a range too. I'm a tough grader. So when I give my grades today, everybody remember I'm a really tough grader, but with Malik Willis, I don't know how you could grade him any lower than an A. You're talking 30 for 35 on the season. He was 85%. I mean, he there didn't really do much wrong. Now, was he trusted as deep into the playbook, I guess, at times? Not really. I thought, you know, I honestly think Matt LaFleur is better with Malik Willis. Sometimes, deep down inside of me, I wish that they like, okay, this is now remember, I still love Jordan Love when I say this. I wish that they didn't have Jordan Love signed for a long time because Malik Willis and Matt LaFleur would make a really good pairing because I think he loves the things that he can do with Malik Willis, especially with the legs that he has. Like he's able to throw the ball and run. So I think Matt LaFleur loves tinkering with that. So I like that pairing. Now, am I saying that I'm getting rid of Jordan Love? No, I think Jordan Love's a fantastic quarterback. I think he's really good. I think he can be really great. I'm just saying Malik Willis, from what he had, what he was trusted to do this year, stepping into a tough spot at times to take over for Jordan Love. He was fantastic. Nothing short of fantastic. He was great on the season. I wish they actually could have got him more involved in different ways throughout games. We talked about in the past, getting him involved more as a back. You know, it's hard because he's your backup quarterback. If he gets hurt, you're like sitting in this spot now where Clayton Toon is the next guy up. You don't want that. So you're sitting in that kind of situation. So you got to be careful with how you utilize him, especially because he is a free runner. But he was fantastic, nothing short of fantastic on the season. So I would say I'm in that same boat with Malik Willis. I'd give him an A on the year just because he did what he was supposed to do to an excellent level. He was a backup quarterback who played excellent in his role there. So Jordan Love. I'm a tough grader, remember when I say this. I'm really tough on guys. I'm in that B B minus range with Jordan Love. I think he left a lot to be desired. I still, I still think he leaves a little bit to be desired for me. At times, I understand why he's got to hit that back foot and he's got to lean back into a throw, right? Because there's pressure in his face. He doesn't have the ability to step forward. He makes some really good throws. I just think there's a little bit more in there. We've actually talked about in the past, Dummer, where he's got guys open down the field and he's got his guys with the Packers' wide receiver core, and we're going to talk about them in a little bit here, but with Watson and Golden and Reed, those guys' ability to create separation and get themselves open down the field is unreal. Like they can get themselves, they get themselves open really well. And Jordan Love, I feel like at times could lead a guy, right? Give him a little more oomph, let him run underneath the buttons at times. He leaves things to be desired in that aspect. I think he's hesitant to run, which I don't know if that's an injury thing. I don't know if that's a matlas thing. I'm not sure. I'm not sure how that all works. But I think Jordan Love's hesitant to run kind of negates me a little bit because he has that ability where we watched in that Bears game, right? He could have ran for a first down. He had wide open field to get to the first down at least, and he decided to throw it away. That was a bad possession. I think they went three and out on that possession. Bears got it back. We watched the rest of that game. We don't want to talk about that game because it just brings up terrible memories. But I think Jordan Love can be a really good quarterback. I think he could be one of the best in the NFC. I really do. I think he could be in the NVP conversation. I think he's holding himself back.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00I do. I think his footwork kind of gets sloppy at times. I think, like I said, the back foot, sometimes fine. Other times, I want him to get into a throw. You watch some of these other quarterbacks out there, the Matthew Staffords of the world and the Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen. Those guys can do those same things, right? They can make those. I mean, Matt Stafford was making those weird underhand shuffle throws before Patrick Mahomes. I know everybody's like, ooh, Patrick Mahomes, the only one to do this. No, Matt Stafford was doing this a long time ago. Like Matt Stafford is a very underrated quarterback for what he's been able to do in his career. But uh just looking at Jordan Love, I just want him to, I just want to see the zip, right? He has times where he puts some zip behind the ball. I want to see him put some zip on a ball down the field. I want to see him lead a guy. I want to see him hit in stride and just keep going. Because we've, I mean, there was a couple different touchdowns where even if, like, oh, if that defender was just a little bit earlier, because he didn't lead this guy. And I know, like I said, circumstances will lead to you having to be off your back foot, right? There's a guy in your face. You're kind of just in that motion. You don't have that ability to step forward into the pocket. But I've watched, we've all watched plenty of times where he has the ability to step into a throw and he doesn't step into that throw. And I guess that's where I could say he he needs to have some growth yet. He needs to have some growth in that aspect, put some zip on the ball. I think there's a little bit more to be desired. And I would hate to say, like, yeah, he had an A season when, in all reality, I think there's more in him. I think there's a better season in him. I just think he wasn't there this year. Well, I shouldn't say he wasn't there. He was he was really good this year. I mean, only six interceptions, 23 touchdowns. He definitely improved in that aspect. But I think when he improved in that aspect, he stopped being the Jordan Love that you wanted him to be too. Because the reckless Jordan Love, you want to have a happy medium, right? You don't want to be completely reckless, but you want him to make those throws. You want him to make those big time throws that made him noticeable. And that's where I think I got a little bit left to be desired with Jordan Love. I think he'll figure that out. I think he'll be, you know, once he gets healthy, stays healthy, he'll be better in that aspect. But I think he's got to be more willing to run. I think he's got to be, you know, that's on Matt LaFleur, too, to get him out there and use his legs a little bit because he's not fast. He's not Malik Willis fast, but he's got the ability to run. He's not like he's this awful runner. So I just want to see more. So I'd be in that B B minus range with Jordan Love.
SPEAKER_02I I I think I would say with everything that he dealt with, with the offense line being literally in shambles for most of the year, I would give him a B plus A minus. Um considering the fact that he literally was in the MVP conversation as a third, uh, a third person, uh basically third in the MVP conversation by week nine before he went to Denver, right? So part of me thinks that um he he's he's right there on the cuffs of being one of the you know the better quarterbacks in the league. But there, like you said, there are things that he needs to clean up, and you know you know. You think about it, this is you know, his literally his third year starting. Kind of this is where they should be kind of hitting the ground running, I think, right? And you know, I agree that when these things happen, it kind of makes you feel like there's more to be desired, right? And I feel like, you know, when you know, and the sad thing is you do these comparisons with Favre and these comparisons with Rogers, where like, yeah, in Rogers' second and third year, he was already kind of hitting his stride, you know what I'm saying? And I feel like Jordan is right there. Um, but then again, though, the difference between Rogers and Love is that Rogers had literally one of the best offensive lines that decade.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_02With you know, Clifton and like, you know, Satan and Lang and Wells and you know Tausher, and then when Tausher left, Balaga. I mean, I'm just saying, like, his offensive line was pretty much set for about at least 10 years of his career, you know, and with love, you know, he's yet to have that type of offensive line. So I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but you know, it's not apples to apples, is what I would say. Yeah, so I would say B plus A minus.
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SPEAKER_00No, I agree with you there. You got to have a good offensive line in front of you, right? I just I I look at it and I would I would hate myself if I said that this was a you know a good like I thought this was a good year. It's not a great year, it's not an excellent year. I thought it was a good year. So I want to put him right in the middle there. There's a improvement that has to be made for him to take that next level because at times you need Jordan Love to put that cape on and be Superman, right? You need him, Josh Allen. At times, like Josh Allen wheeled the bills to where they were at. Like Josh Allen was the guy. When Josh Allen couldn't be the guy, it all went south. And think about it as bad of a game he had against Denver, he still had that team in position to win.
SPEAKER_02That was the catchbot cooks that they gave to Denver. Hey, say what you want to say, but if if if I'm saying right now, Josh Allen probably is the best quarterback in the league right now. Right now, I can put him on the wrong. Just based on the fact that if you look at his weapons compared to ours, you look at his offensive line, and you just look at what he does on a week-to-week basis, like he's very, very much unstoppable. And you know, knock on wood, he puts his body out there and he gets banged the heck up and he still finds a way to still overcome that. I just need him to just I take so many dang hits, man, because I feel like that guy can have such an amazing career. Um, but you just don't want him to get shortened because of the fact he's taking all these injuries, these hits, because nobody else is showing up on that team.
SPEAKER_00Right. No, I would say my thing with Jordan Love is I think he can lead a game-winning drive. Yeah. But if you were to ask me, okay, if you wanted to look at the league, who would you take to lead a game-winning drive? I don't think Jordan Love would be you'd take Mahomes, you would take Josh Allen, you would take Matt Stafford. I mean, heck, this season you'd probably take Sam Darnold. He played a really good year this year. So it's not like you could like discredit what Sam Darnold has done this year. He's made some really good throws. As long as he has GSN. As long as he has GSN, though. Right, right. I mean, he makes he makes good play. I mean, you could you would probably say like Jordan Love at this point. He's top 10, maybe. Yeah, yeah, he's top 10. He's top 10. Like, I don't want to say he's not top 10, but like you probably see.
SPEAKER_02You still got borough. You still got, you know, saying, like, there's other guys there that's no good.
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SPEAKER_00Right. You just want Jordan Love to reach that point where you can say, okay, game's on the line. Right, Rogers. You know, we just alluded to Rogers, and you don't want to do that comparison, but Rogers, right? If you left him a minute 30 on the clock, tough. Like, here you go. You're gonna watch Rogers lead this team down the field, make the throws he's got to make, and it's just gonna be crazy. I mean, was that one in Dallas where he made that sideline throw? It was just crazy watching him lead that drive. It's just what good quarterbacks, great quarterbacks. What separates them is the ability to late in a game take their team down the field and finish it, right? Take their team down the field, get to the red zone, and when they get there, punch it in, finish it. And that's where I think Jordan Love is missing is that he's missing that, that that killer end to a game where I know, okay, you just scored, but guess what? Jordan Love's got two minutes. Watch this. Like, that's what I'm missing from Jordan Love is that two-minute drive where I'm just like boom, boom, boom, there he goes. And we saw that. Yeah, we saw that in 2023.
SPEAKER_02Like we saw that against the Saints, we saw that on multiple occasions. And again, a quarterback can only do so much. He needs even with it with that being said, a lot of those plays when you saw Josh Allen do that, you know, James Cook was showing up, Kahil Shaheer was showing up, yeah, right. You had other guys around doing their part too. And let's talk, let's be real. In that Chicago Bears game, what did Jordan do? Jordan literally threw the perfect ball to Jaden Reed, who dropped it. Right. He threw another ball to Christian Watson. You could say he didn't play it right or whatever, or maybe it was, you know, case may be. The Dobbs had a drop on that on that drive, too. Right. Again, like there was multi-there's times where like you as a quarterback can only do so much. Yep. Yep. But I'm with you though. Like it sucks because, like, what if what if Jordan threw a better ball is what you could say. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_02What if he got it?
SPEAKER_00Like to Watson, like you're saying, if he hit him in that first window instead of trying to hit the second window for more, he probably he had Watson wide open in the first window. And even if he just wide open, yeah, like he could have, yeah, yeah, 100% agree. Yeah. Excuse me there. Excuse me. You're choking up, right? I think about Jordan. Joking up, choking up, thinking about thinking about that play there. But yeah, I mean, you look back at it, that first window, if he hits them there, I mean, that's good, there's a possibility Watson might get close to the goal line in that first window because it kind of was separating.
SPEAKER_02I agree.
SPEAKER_00Right, right. I mean, there's there's lots of ways to look at it, right? There's lots of ways to look at it. What we're saying is that Jordan Love has room for growth. He's he's right on the cusp of where we think that he needs to take that next step now. He needs you're if you tier the quarterbacks in the NFL, he's got a step to take yet to get up to that point, right? To get up to that point. I don't know if he'll get to the Patrick Mahomes and the Josh Allen's of the world, right? That's you don't want to say, oh, he's just gonna be that guy, right? But we believe that he can be a really good quarterback and he can step his way up in those tiers and get up to that top portion where he can compete with those guys like those guys do year after year, putting the team on their back at times. Mahomes putting the team on his back at times with no-name wide receivers out there and just making it happen, right? Tom Brady, same thing. And I I know I'm comparing him to Hall of Fame guys at this point. But, anyways, good quarterbacks in the league find ways to get it done. And Jordan Love has found ways to get it done. We're not, we don't want to discredit that he can't make throws late in a game. But we want to say is that we want to see it on a consistent basis where you fear him late in the game. You're like, oh, you know, because there's like Rogers clips online, right? Where you can go on YouTube and you're like, teams that left Rogers too much time. You watch like a 20-minute clip of like two minutes to go, and here goes Rogers. Like, you want Jordan Love to get to that point where it's like they left him too much time. And I just don't think they're at that point with Jordan Love yet. I think they'll get there. So let's hit the running back room real quick. We'll hit the running back room next week. When we come back, we'll hit tight ends, we'll hit the wide receivers, we'll hit the offensive line. Running back room. I'll start with Josh Jacobs. I'm gonna say a give me a B plus for Josh Jacobs. He was banged up all year long. He was banged up, and I think, honestly, I think they underutilize him at times. I yelled about it, Umber, for weeks. You remember, I was yelling about it for weeks. Get him involved in the passing game. Don't just involve him in the run game, get him involved in the passing game. They did it, he bust out big plays. Josh Jacobs was banged up all year. He was a workhorse, he was still giving her. At times, I thought they should probably just sat him because I think he was hurting the team at times more than he was helping them by being banged up and trying to play. It was hurting at times. Now, I don't want to discredit him because I love that. I love that workhorse mentality. But when I look at Josh Jacobs, 929 yards in the year, almost a thousand-yard rusher. He was banged up. That's still an impressive season. The offensive line was inconsistent as all get out, and he still almost put up a thousand yards. Yeah, not a bad year at all. I'd say I'm in that B B plus range with him. He wanted maybe wanted to see a little bit more. It wasn't a perfect season, but it was a pretty good season out of Josh Jacobs there.
SPEAKER_02Josh Jacobs to me. I I give him a I give him a solid B. And the reason I give him a solid B is because we have we have unfortunately had to revise the way we run our offense when it comes to run plays because of the way he likes to run run plays. Right? He likes inside zone out of shotgun, right? And if again, a product of what he does, I give him a B because he's able to he was able to make a lot happen with really crap, I'm talking about one of the worst run blocking offense lines that we've had in a long, long, long time. Yeah, and because of that, you know, he's getting hit in the backfield three yards back and still able to get positive yards a lot of times, you know. Um, but when we need him in December and in January to have a really good game, unfortunately, he couldn't product with that because the offensive line couldn't block to save their lives on run play. And you kind of find that funny because normally offensive linemen love blocking run plays instead of pass plays, right? Right. Because in run plays you're attacking, and then in pass plays, you're kind of playing defense, and sounds like offensive linemen, right? The guy's coming to you. So for me, like you know, I give him a B because you know, unfortunately, injuries were a big part of his game this year, unfortunately, right? Um, and he was still trying to play through it and gut through it. Um, I'm I'm trying to like convince myself to give him like an A minus just because he was able to kind of endure and overcome a lot and still perform pretty well, right? Um, but I I give you know I'll give him an A- because he was able to still do a good amount with such a crappy offensive line play on the run on the run game, right?
SPEAKER_00Just inconsistent, just inconsistent across the board.
SPEAKER_02They were consistently inconsistent like Caleb and to the point where they were negative more than they were positive.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Nope, I agree. I agree there. Emmanuel Wilson, Chris Brooks. We can kind of buzz through these real quick. I would say Wilson for me, I'd give him a B plus. It wasn't like he was crazy good, but he also was solid in the times they needed him against Minnesota. He's really good when Josh Jacobs was out, played a really good game there. Chris Brooks for me, I'd probably be in that B B plus that wasn't really involved in the run game as much, but really good at pass blocking.
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SPEAKER_02Really good at pass blocking. When he did, when he did get involved, like even the Chicago game in the playoffs, he caught that ball and took it down four, 15 yards on the field. Yeah, right. I think like again, when you need him to jump into the game and and perform, be it pass blocking, be it catching the ball or running the ball, Chris Brooks always shows up. Like he's the guy, he's him and Wilson are two guys I bring back no matter what. And I we try to find a way to make Lloyd fit, but if not, I just feel like he's just a gamer.
SPEAKER_00He's just a gamer. I wouldn't hold my breath on Lloyd at this point here. We'll see what I would see him. I I don't pray for injury for anybody. I hope that he can find his way to the field here, but it's been a couple couple years now of just waiting for Marshawn Lloyd to make it onto the football field and being left with well, injury, injury, injury, some bad luck in there too. Like he had the appendicitis on top of that, too, which that's just crazy coming back from injury and then have the appendicitis on top of that. And it was just it's it's been crazy trying to get Marshawn Lloyd out there. Hopefully he does, but we'll wait and see. We'll wait and see what they do with Josh Jacobs. I mean, yeah, there was talk about Josh Jacobs maybe not come, like he wants to come back. Yeah, this is nothing more, but the Packers might just, yeah, the Packers might just cut bait. I don't know what they're gonna do at this point. We'll wait and see. But Umber, I gotta run here. Let the people know where to find you out there across social media.
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SPEAKER_00Make sure you guys check him out there. He's got fantastic stuff. Keeping updated on the Packers, the snow situation that he's got going on. He's kept me up to date on everything like that. So when we come back, we're gonna wrap up our number one. Look ahead to our number two. We'll be right back here on Wisconsin Sports. I'm your host, Trades, as we're wrapping up hour number one. Looking ahead to hour number two here on the show tonight. And this next little segment is brought to you by Jeff Holthouse with State Farm Insurance. For home farm auto renters and life insurance, contact Jeff Holteus there in the Neals, Wiltoma and now Marshville. He's located in the former Kids Corner building at 505 North Central Ave. Make sure you check him out there. Jeff Holtous with State Farm Insurance. So we're just talking about Packers a little bit there. And if you guys have, if you guys want to share your opinion on anything happening with the Packers, with the new defensive coordinator, maybe with the Brewers. I'm gonna talk a little Brewers here. Hit me up 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. Make sure you guys like, subscribe, follow across all the social media platforms out there. So talking about the Brewers a little bit, there was an update yesterday there from Adam McL McCalvey out there. I probably just butchered his last name. I'm sorry. I'm sorry if I butchered it there. But Jesus made Jesus Mate. I don't know how they say it. Probably Mate. Mate. Jesus Mate has been invited to the big league camp. So that's some exciting news there. He's gonna be added. There's a bunch of prospects gonna be there, actually. And some of the bigger names that you look on there, Jesus Mate, you're gonna have Cooper Pratt on there. Brock Wilken is also there, and then Jet Williams, the new infielder, outfielder they just got from the Mets there in the Freddie deal. And that's exciting. That's exciting. Having Made down there, I, you know, I don't believe he's gonna start the year at the big league club. Like, don't get to that point. But having him there gives you that little bit of a glimpse of what that future looks like for the Brewers and watching some of the clips of him from down in the minors, watching, wow, wow, him and Pratt, that's gonna be a really good combo in the infield there. Brock Wilkins, fantastic too. And then Jet Williams. And the interesting part with Jet Williams is I believe he's going to, I don't believe he's gonna start the year at the big league level unless if he goes down to uh spring training and just tears the cover off the ball, and it's just a crazy spring training out of him. I don't believe he's gonna make the big league club straight out of uh spring training or anything like that. But his ability to play shortstop and center field, it's gonna be what happens with him is gonna be a lot on what happens with Joey Ortiz and what happens in center field. I believe they're gonna move Churio back to left. He needs to be in left field. I don't think he's a good I like Churio in the outfield, but I don't think he's a great center fielder. So I think he's gonna move back to left. It's also gonna be a lot less movement on him there. So keeping him in left field. And then you got Salon right. Center field, Garrett Mitchell, and Blake Perkins. I don't know how that's all gonna shake out there, but Jet Williams could find his way into center field. He could also find his way into the infield somewhere, whether it be Caleb Durbin starts to struggle over at third base, maybe has some regression from last year, or you look at shortstop of Joey Ortiz. They're hopeful of his bat finding it this season, but oh, I can see. But Jet Williams is gonna be down there. Same with Cooper Pratt, Jesus Mate. Luis Juara's there again. Loved him. He's a really good prospect in the outfield. So I'm excited to see him once again there. And then, I mean, they got some other prospects. Luke Adams gonna be down there. I believe Ramon Rodriguez, Matt Wood. So they're gonna, there's a big list out there. If you want to see it, Adam shared it out there across social media. But I'm excited to see Mate down there getting his first action there with the big league club. Can't wait. He's only 19. We're gonna see him up. I believe we're gonna see him up at the big league level here sooner rather than later. I don't think it's gonna be quite this year, unless if things go really south. I don't want to say that they're gonna go really south, but unless if desperate, or he's just tearing the cover off the ball down there, which he has been doing. So I can imagine I think he's gonna be up sooner rather than later, but I'm probably looking at next season where we'll see Jesus Made there. But exciting stuff there out of the brewer. So when we come back from the break here, Christian's gonna stop by. We're gonna talk some badgers. We have some Bucks talk later with the Wisco Fanatics guys. Kyle's gonna stop by. We have talked NFC AFC championship games. We have a whole boatload of things to hop into in hour number two here. We'll be right back here on Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trade.