March 21 2026: Heartbreak Saturday, Badgers Done.... Reactions

Heartbreak Saturday hits hard as we react to Wisconsin’s first-round loss to High Point and the bigger feeling that postseason disappointment is becoming normal. We break down the effort mistakes that decided the game, then zoom out to what this says about Greg Gard, modern NIL roster building, and what has to change next. 
• the emotional whiplash of Wisconsin sports hope turning into March heartbreak 
• why rebounding and second-chance points swung the High Point game 
• how pressure defense and a matchup zone stalled Wisconsin’s ball movement 
• the rise of hero ball late and the lack of off-ball cuts 
• why scoring 82 can still be a losing formula 
• the Greg Gard debate and the risk of thinking the grass is greener 
• NIL budgets, donor support and why roster retention is never guaranteed 
• what Wisconsin needs next, including a physical big and rim protection 
• why fans overread postgame answers about returning next season 
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Transcript

Heartbreak Saturday Sets The Tone

SPEAKER_00 0:04

This is Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trade. Your place for all things Wisconsin Sports. Now, your host, Trage.

NIL Reality And Roster Uncertainty

Christian Joins After The Loss

SPEAKER_01 0:18

How are we doing, everybody? And welcome into Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trage. I'm your host, Trage, as we're coming in here on this Saturday. I hope you guys are enjoying your Saturday so far here. Hope you guys are enjoying your weekend since well, we talked last last Wednesday. We were hopeful we were going to be coming into today's show here on this Saturday, talking about a Badgers win, talking about the Badgers, taking on their upcoming opponent, opponent, whether that was Arkansas or whoever that was. Well, we're not. We're going to call this a heartbreak Saturday. We're going to call this uh I don't know. I don't have my thesaurus next to me to think of other words for heartbreak. So we're just gonna go with heartbreak. That's where we're at here on this Saturday. It was a man, we're gonna talk a lot of badgers today. We're gonna talk a lot of badgers. Probably majority of the show, badger talk, because that was Wisconsin Sports in a nutshell. Honestly. Like we go through these seasons. It doesn't matter the sport, whether it's the Packers or the Brewers or the Badgers, the Bucks, they just stink right now, so that doesn't count, I guess. But we go through these seasons with these teams and we get our hopes up. There's this stretch of games or a long stretch of games where they look good. And you know, you go into these tournaments or you go into the postseason and you say to yourself, man, this team gets hot, they can beat anybody. They can beat anybody. But we went into this tournament and we said that I said the spectrum was really wide with this. They can either they're gonna lose in the first round or they're gonna the final four. There is no between. Well, they've they did it, they lost in the first round, and man oh man, it was like you sat there and I don't know. I I I just I don't know if it's just because it's Wisconsin sports in general or if it's just because it's the Badgers. But when they lost this game, you know, I felt heartbreak before, right, with these teams watching them, and it's over, right? Season's over. And I've been more upset in the past. This season I just kind of shut it off and like the rest of the day was ruined, but it was almost like accepting, right? That this is what it is, and I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. That now it just feels like this is Wisconsin sports and this is just what happens. And man oh man, it just stinks. It does. This loss, this hot loss was devastating to say the least. Because you felt like going into the tournament, you felt like there was a lot going right for this team, and they had a good, they they had a good Big Ten tournament and they had a good end of the regular season. It just felt like this team going into it, they could shoot the lights out of a building. They they just they had a different kind of fight and a different kind of battle to them. And I thought that all went away in this game against High Point. I th I think it did. And honestly, it it stunk. It did, but it just feels like we've we're getting so used to this. We're getting so used to this. So we're gonna talk about that today. Christian's gonna stop by here in a little bit. We're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about our reaction coming off this high point game, but then we're also gonna talk about Greg guard and kind of moving forward with this team because it just feels like we're constantly we're in this revolving door where the regular season looks good, postseason, not so much. So we're gonna talk about it here today on the show. We're gonna get into that. We're gonna talk about, like I said, the high point game in general. Lots of stuff to dive into with the badgers here today on the show. The tournament in general, I don't know. After you kind of after the badgers kind of lost, you just kind of like you watch it, but you don't really feel anything towards the tournament anymore because your team's kind of out. So you're just kind of watching it, rooting for upsets. I was rooting for a lot of upsets, like Sienna over Duke. I was like, this would make me feel better if Duke got dropped out of this tournament. Of course they didn't. So you just kind of get in those modes then where I'm just you know talking about that. Coming off of this, though, I think, and I'm gonna ask Christian this too, but coming off this tournament, I feel like there's way too many people reading into the, you know, Nolan Winsor not really committing to come back to the Badgers or John Blackwell, a lot of these guys not really saying, like, I'm gonna be back for sure. That's the day and age of this is that this is where we're at in college sports. This is where we're at in college basketball, this is where we're in college football, everything. You don't have that kind of commitment like you used to have from players. And that's just the way that it is because money talks nowadays. No matter how committed a guy seems to be to a program, no matter how devastating a loss has been, it doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't feel like it does. Guys are going to chase money. This is nowadays, it's life-changing money guys can make going different places. So I am not surprised that you didn't have commitment from a lot of these players. But you just came off of a heartbreaking loss. Now I know reporters' jobs is their jobs are to ask these questions and to ask the tough questions off after losses like this. They're going to. But the answers that you got were from guys who just lost the game not too long ago and have not, they went through this whole season with these guys, and now they have to kind of let it all set in, you know, reflect, get on, you know, get back to whatever they were doing. It's it's a tough moment for players, and I I'm not one of those guys, but I can feel that that it's a tough moment for those guys. So for us to come off of that and kind of overreact, I just don't agree with the overreaction right now. I feel like fans want to know, right? You want to know because it's your team, your favorite team. You want to know what's gonna be happening in the upcoming time or the upcoming year, stuff like that. You're not gonna get those answers right then. So I'm not gonna overreact until it happens. But, but, but we have a lot to dive into today on the show. Christian's gonna stop by next. We're gonna talk some badges with him. A lot of badger talk coming at you today. We'll be right back here. I was back into Wisconsin Sports on the go with Trage. I'm your host, Trage, as we're coming back in here on this Saturday. That jump around was supposed to be going into this Saturday segment. Happy previewing the next matchup here for the Wisconsin Badgers. And well, we have only heartbreak to talk about once again with the Wisconsin Badgers. Another tournament berth, another early exit, and it just adds to the resume of Greg Guard's failures with teams in the postseason, which once again has brought the Guard haters out of the woodworks, and we're going to talk about it all today here in this segment as Christian is stopping by today. Christian, how are we doing on this Saturday? How are you doing? Outside of, well, we don't have badge basketball really.

SPEAKER_03 7:02

Yeah, well, I mean, you know. It's uh I'm just like the worst part of this whole thing is now it's because Wisconsin doesn't have like a baseball team or anything like that, it's it's a long time until August.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 7:18

It's a long time, man.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Yep, and all I heard coming out of spring practice was the first day was terrible. So that was made it even better. I mean, I know it's first day, but you know, when you go on Twitter after the basketball game and you see the first tweet from like Evan Flood, and they're like, Yeah, today's today's football practice was terrible. And I'm like, oh great, great, here we go. Here we go. Exactly what we needed all season to start on. So all right, we got to talk about it. I text Christian today and I was he asked me what we're gonna talk about. And I said, Well, we got to talk about that badger game. He's like, Do we really? I was like, Yeah, kind of got you, right? I know it's Saturday and it's been a couple days, so we've all had a moment to relax, and I want to hear your guys' opinion on that badger collapse or whatever you want to call it there against high point. Hit me up, 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. So, Christian, I mean, I just want to hear it. Instant reaction when the Badgers, when that final horn wins, Nick Boyd ended up missing, are well getting blocked on the layup attempt there, and everything just kind of set in for you. What was your instant reaction just coming off of it?

SPEAKER_03 8:26

I mean, I think obviously the first one is just disappointment. We've talked about that. I don't like it's and I know a lot of people have been mimicking it over social media and stuff too. It's all the same thing, but like they could beat anybody. We've seen it. They beat the number one team Michigan, they've beaten well, number one team Michigan, beaten Purdue, they've beaten Illinois. But I mean, we also knew that they could lose to anybody just because it's March, first of all, and March Madness is just crazy. That just comes to territory, but at the same time, it's a really volatile team. So it's but they didn't lose necessarily in the way I thought they were gonna lose. So I think that's why I was most disappointed. Um, I think they did a halfway decent shot uh job shooting. I think the thing that killed them was the rebounding, which I but the sad part is it feels like it was all just effort because they were way bigger than high point. The tallest guy that got minutes on that team was six eight. So I don't know. When it comes down to it, and you could just see it too. I don't know how many times saw a shot go up, and then like you know, you got three high point guys in there and one or two badgers, and they're just kind of staying there, and it's just it just it was disappointing that I don't know if if we've seen it earlier in the year too. Like, if it's a team they think that they're just gonna beat, not saying that they actually thought that because it's the NCAA tournament, and high points obviously very good, but like it just felt like there wasn't the energy, it wasn't there. It was Nick Boyd, it was John Blackwell in the first half. Uh obviously Nolan Winter is still coming back from his injury, but I don't know. I just I was hoping they'd be a little more aggressive, especially rebounding and just limiting second chance points, and they didn't do that, and then I think high point guns of confidence, especially that Johnston guy or whatever his name is, the guy that has taken has taken four two-pointers all year long, and then of course take like and goes over four, and then of course hits the layup to beat to uh go ahead with you know just a few seconds left anyway. It's that's pretty ironic, isn't it? So I guess I don't know. If I can't if I had to say it just boils down to one where it's just disappointed, but yeah, I know we were talking to it's just at this point, just being a Wisconsin sports fan, you're just kind of numb to disappointment in the postseason, aren't you?

SPEAKER_01 10:46

It's just kind of what you expected out of this game. Like you had that hope. You were everybody talked about it going to the tournament. This was a dark horse team. They could make a deep run, they could beat anybody. And in the back of your mind, I just felt like it was in the back of everybody's mind out there, including mine, was I've seen this team before go into a tournament. They looked hot, they got cold, they couldn't find answers, they just got out rebounded, out clad, out physical. I mean, they they came into this game, and like you said, were they had the size advantage over this team? And yet it seemed like for the majority of the game, High Point was the more physical team. They played like they were the better team, they played like they had more to gain by winning this game than the Badgers. And it doesn't make sense why you go into games like this and why we see this outcome every single season in the postseason. I don't know. You know, you go back and we're gonna talk about Greg Gardner here in a minute, but everybody wants to blame Guard and they want to say this is Guard's problem and everything like that. I don't know if it as much is when I look at this team and I say, I just don't feel like they were bringing it. I don't feel like they were bringing in this game. I thought that there was way too much one-on-one ball. I thought there was way too much hero ball in this game. I look at a guy like Nick Boyd, and yes, Nick Boyd had a good game. I will never Nick Boyd had a good game. But I thought the Badgers, honestly, Christian, I was sad when I only saw they put up 23 threes in this game. 23. That's it. Honestly, that's a low number. Looking at the Badgers, but what did High Point do? They chased the initial guy off the three-point line. He drove down the lane. But instead of looking for kicks, instead of looking for those shooters on the perimeter, because they were there as they normally are, they were looking for those mid-range jumps. They were looking to try to get to the basket, and high point was there to deny, they were there to double. They were able to uh throw some pressure at this badger team, and the badgers did not react too well. The ball movement wasn't there. In that second half down the stretch, there was little to no ball movement, and it kind of made me sad because I watched this team and we talk about it. When is this team really good? When the ball's zipping, when they're moving it around, when they're driving the lane and they're finding those kickouts. And I didn't believe they were finding those kickouts in this game. Because when I see only 23 threes, that's not a badger team I'm used to. I mean, honestly. Like, you think about the badgers all season long. 30 was the like, it seemed like a low mark. 30 was a low mark. Now you play a team in high point, and 23 is your mark in this one here. And high point dictated it by the three-point line. It kind of caught me off guard in that, where high point was able to chase the initial guy off the three, and they weren't able to get the kick-ups, which were there. The ball movement just wasn't there in this game. There was too much zero ball, there was too much one-on-one. First half, it was John Blackwell. Second half, it was Nick Floyd. And you like that those two are going so well, but you have guys on this team like Austin Rapp who's hitting shots. Roadie was hitting shots in this game, but he only took three threes in this game, took four shots in total. He had two of them. I mean, he was having himself a decent day, but Roadie was knocking the ball. Nolan Winter. No and Winter in this game, he only played 21 minutes. They didn't really go into the bench at all. Which I thought that okay, if I if I was upset, I actually wanted to see like a Hayden Jones in a game like this. I did. Just because this team wasn't bringing it, they weren't playing physical. So I was going into the bench and saying, Hey, can you bring me something? Can you find the rebound? Can you get in there? Because I thought, like you said, there was too much standing underneath the basket and just hoping that the rebound came down to me. That hoping that it would come down to me. At what point were you just gonna say, okay, Aiden Jones, go just go there for a couple minutes? I have to talk to Roadie. I have to get into this guy's head. I have to tell him to go get these rebounds. Like you go into the tournament, you played the Big Ten tournament, and Aiden Jones was good enough to get the minutes in there. But when you got into this game, you limited the bench, you shrunk it, you got down to Carrington and Nolan Winter. That was it. We didn't see anybody else in there. Maybe you throw Will Garlach. Somebody to throw in there who's going to get me a rebound, who's going to help out in that case in this game, because you got beat, like you said, on the glass. The glass was key in this game here, controlling that. And there were too many second chances. There was too many opportunities like that for this high point team. They're a good shooting team. We saw that. They can knock down shots, but when they get second chances to knock down shots, that's even worse. And there were too many of those opportunities in this game. And I thought it could have been controlled if you controlled the pace and the Badgers played into High Point's hand. They allowed it to get into that running match, which is where high point wanted to be. They allowed it to get to that point. Turnovers weren't a problem. The Badgers didn't turn the ball over a lot in this game. Were they some ugly turnovers when they were? 100%. They were some ugly turnovers. There was driving down the lane trying to find a guy underneath. They had some uh botched passes go out of there. But when push came to shove, high point executed, Wisconsin did it. And I don't know if if you do throw Hayden Jones, if you do throw Garlic, if it works out. But what I'm saying is that you needed to find that kind of fight in this game. And I thought there was, I don't know, Christian. I I Nick Boyd brought some heat. He brought some fight. I thought there was some fight in Nick Boyd there, but I thought there was too much standing around. I thought there was too much laxadaisical play, and that's what ultimately hurt this team down the stretch. I don't know. Is that is that what you kind of saw in this one here?

Hero Ball And Stalled Offense

SPEAKER_03 15:42

Yeah, I mean, I think so too. I mean, so but I guess I got some thoughts on like the offensive stuff too, but I think the ball didn't, in my opinion, the ball didn't move well because high point is a very athletic team. We've seen them struggle with like BYU, right? And it's like going to the Hayden Jones point. We've talked about this too. When Hayden Jones is in when there's a lot of pressure, because that's what they did. They brought a lot of ball pressure on you. I I mean, there's I guess you I think you're higher on Hayden Jones than I am, but I feel like I feel like I've watched him and just like it feels like when he gets the ball and he gets pressure on him, it's I don't know, I get nervous. That's right. So like I understand maybe, and you we all know that when the playoffs start and when March Madness starts, all that your rotations get shorter, like your bench gets shorter. You don't just necessarily give players like Hay Jones or Garlic Garlack a ton of minutes. But um, I think High Point did a very good job of pressuring them, but also I think Wisconsin also, I think going into this, knowing they had the height advantage, knowing High Point's going to be very like they're gonna put a ton of pressure on the ball, and just having a guy like Nick Boyd, he's gonna get past them. Like, yeah, that Rob Martin guy, that little number three, he's a quick guy too. But if you can get Boyd coming off a ball screen, like get downhill, and we've seen how good he is at finishing. And if you get down there and there isn't a dude down there bigger than six foot eight, I get why maybe that was the game plan. Higher percentage shots when you got guys like Nick Boyd and John Blackwell who can finish at the hoop, higher percentage shots than shooting three. So that's my theory is and like then moving the ball around, like you said, isn't quite as easy when those guys are up there. Yeah, they did like you said last week, or or whenever we talked last week, it feels like it's been a long time ago. They're they were gonna do some matchup zone, and it's what they did, and it made those ball screens that Wisconsin runs a lot, it like jammed it up and it didn't make them quite as successful, right? So I think they knew how to attack this Wisconsin team, and I think you're right, they maybe it's weird to say, but they settled for too many like twos instead of threes, which is what their bread and butter has been all year. Um but I don't, I just yeah, I think the intensity is the thing. I mean, you're always gonna get that with Nick Boyd, always. Um, I think he had with John Blackwell a bit in the first half, but then here it is again, like he just disappeared, right? And maybe that's maybe that's in part because Nick Boyd, we've talked about like you know, the word ball hug got thrown around a little bit too. But at the same time, it's like I don't know, maybe no one else was doing anything. So maybe Nick Boyd said, all right, forget it. Like, I'll do it. No one else is gonna do anything anyway. So I don't know, I guess it's hard to tell when you're not in the huddle, you don't know exactly what's going on there. But I can see why people would think Nick Boyd just tried to play hero ball the whole time. But at the same time, when he got going, like there was a stretch there for a few minutes where it felt like both teams, it was made basket, made basket, shot after shot, and they were just trading blows. And almost every time it was Nick Boyd just getting to the hoop whenever he wanted to. But then this is just like the Nebraska game or anytime earlier in the year, our defense just like I think that's also part of it. It was their defense, it wasn't good. Yeah, like why are we letting guys get all these shots off for like these threes off so quickly and easily? Like, why is number 99 Johnston open so much? Why is you know Rob Martin or whatever his name is hitting threes like crazy on us? I just like get a hand up, and I I don't know. So I think that's the whole thing was just kind of frustrating, but then again, but also extremely believable because this is just how it is, is you know, this is what they do.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

You know, I think part of the I think part of the hero ball aspect of it is also, and the ball movement comes into all this too, is there's not a lot of off-ball movement, and I think the badgers get really stagnant, they don't move around, and I think that's where I kind of get frustrated watching this team is it does become hero ball because, like you said, nobody else is getting involved, right? But that comes with getting yourself open, off the ball, moving, cutting, right? We talked about it so many times this year. This team's a really good passing team. They can find cutters, they're really good at cutting the lane, and you're playing that matchup, you know, zone out there. So you should be able to find cutting lanes. You should be able to find driving lanes. Like you said, it was open to drive downhill, but it wasn't just open for Nick Bowie, it was open for a lot of different guys in that aspect, too. It didn't have to be the ball screen, it didn't have to always be the ball screen to get guys open. It was moving the defense around, finding openings, and that's when you can get an opening driving the lane there and find a kick up if you're moving without the basketball. And there's way too much towards the end of this game, guys just standing there with that foot back and they're standing out at the three-point line, like, pass me the ball, pass me the ball. You're not open. Like, move, find yourself an opening, find yourself a passing lane. You're not in a passing lane for one of these guys to get the ball. And that's where I was, you know, I I agree. Putting Hayden Jones into a game like this or putting Will Garlock into a game like this might not have been the answer. But when you look back on it, what I was, I guess, trying to say by putting one of them guys into the game like this is maybe they bring that physical edge. Maybe they bring a, I want this ball, right? Will Garlock, for as much as he's still developing, he's a physical player. He's gonna get after it. And I was impressed with him in the Big Ten tournament. So I felt maybe in a game like this, honestly, maybe he'd get after it. Maybe he'd go get me a board. Maybe he would play physical down in the post and find me a rebound. Because at what point in this game was it was like you just needed a rebound. You needed to slow them down and get a rebound because every single time the Badgers put on a run, they got up by a good margin there or whatever it was, eight, 10 at some points there out throughout this game here. High point had the answer, but Wisconsin played into the tempo of it, then there was too many missed opportunities, right? Too many, there was like four straight possessions without a shot or without a field goal. Too many of those, too many stretches where you didn't score, where high point got life and you gave them life. You weren't able to slow this game down. You weren't able to work at a pace that you wanted to work at. It was trying to force things, it was trying to get, you know, I agree. Nick Boyd going downhill. If he can get there, you love to see it. But you also love to see John Blackwell involved in there, and you love to see the kickouts, and you love to see the ball movement, working clock, hunting for a good shot, right? And I just thought there was too much of that top. We're waiting at the top. Okay, now there's 15 seconds to go in the shot clock. All right, now let's just drive. Now let's go downhill. Yeah, there's not a lot of ball movement, there's not a lot of working it around, finding an easy bucket. And I thought they did that at times in this game. They really got the zone moving, they got them moved around, and they found open shots. Carrington had a big three. There were opportunities that they had. It's just very far and few between because, like you said, the intensity wasn't there. And it was on the offensive end, but especially on the defensive end. And that has become a problem now for years. Years now.

SPEAKER_03 22:15

I mean, that's not crazy.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Right. You talked about last year, playing BYU. It was the same thing. And then this year, you put up 82 points in a in a tournament game against a 12 seed. There's most of the time you win that game. Like there's not many instances where you could say no.

SPEAKER_03 22:31

Yeah, I think that was their first loss where they scored 80 points this year. But isn't just kind of weird? It's kind of crazy how Wisconsin basketball is just flipped. They used to be such a fundamentally sound, solid defensive team. And like offense was always the struggle, right? Now it's it's just completely opposite. Like offense has no problem putting up points, but like you can't stop anything either.

Greg Gard Hot Seat Debate

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Yeah, no, save that thought, Christian. Save that thought. We're gonna hit a break. We're gonna come back. We're gonna talk about that because we're gonna talk about Greg Guard. I know there's a lot of people questioning Greg Guard. We're gonna talk about that, but we're also gonna talk about the philosophy of this team because, like you just said, the offense is going great, but the defense of this team is really taking a slip. We're gonna talk about that. Greg Guard, everything in between. We'll be right back here. Wisconsin Sports on the Go. We'll be right back. The song coming back from the break was just perfect because right now, across the Badger universe, we have a lot of people who well came out of the woodworks, like I said, two on two fire great guard coming off of this tournament. Collapse, heartbreak, devastating loss, whatever you want to call it. There's a lot of them people out there. And well, when you talk like that and you even think like that, you're playing a gamble. And that's what you do with any kind of coaching change. So you got to remember that when you make those comments out there. So this is Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trage. I'm your host, Strange. We're coming back in here on this Saturday. We were just talking about the Badgers a little bit there. The loss to High Point, the collapse right, excuse me there, against High Point there on Thursday. If you guys missed any portion of the show today here, make sure you listen across all the podcast platforms. Next day, Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trage. If you want to give us your opinion on Greg Gard, the Badgers, anything Wisconsin Sports, make sure you do it 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. So Christian is back in here. Christian, we went to the break. You brought up a great transitional point. And that was this team's defensive efforts throughout the season. It's not just on this game. We've noticed it all season long. In Spurts, it was okay. In moments it was great, but at other times it was terrible. In a game like this, communication was bad. They lost a lot of shooters, and we know this team was athletic. They found ways to get open. They did all the little things right, right? They brought the intensity. As we said, they had more, they played with more intensity than the Badgers did. But defensively, the Badgers have been like this all season long. They've been like this for multiple years now. Which brings us back to the man himself, Greg Garr. And the way that his teams are built now is they're going away from the defensive end. The way that he's kind of doing it now is they're going away from the defense. They're going for a high amount of shots, a high-level amount of threes, and defense has not been really underneath the microscope anymore, which is crazy to think because you talk about a badger team where multiple years ago you'd have said games like this, even scoring 82 points, was crazy. And if they scored 82 points, the other team only scored probably 50 or 60. That's just the way it went. Nowadays, not so much. This team defensively just hasn't been able to bring it in a while. So looking at Greg Gard right now, there's a lot of people looking for his job because you had once again this team fall early in the tournament. They look good in the regular season. They had some early hiccups, as we saw, had a good, uh, good regular season, good tournament run there, the Big Ten tournament, lost to Michigan there in the semifinal. But now, once again, we're talking about an early exit, which has led to a lot of Badger fans upset, calling for the job, which is understandable. I guess to an extent, if you use the argument of you always want to see postseason success, you always want to see them move on. I don't know, Christian. I'm gonna let you start with this one. Coming off this game, coming off another collapse of a season where you felt like it was a game that the Badgers should have had. It was an opponent that you felt like the Badgers were better than, and you had a team come out once again, kind of sleepwalking. Like you said perfectly, perfectly throughout the season. When they played lesser teams, they love to play with their food, right? They love to play with it a little bit. And you saw the Badgers come out once again. It looked like they were playing with their food. It felt like they didn't ever feel like there was pressure on this game, they didn't play with that intensity, they didn't bring that fire like we saw in many other games, and it led to another collapse. Now, coming off of that, what are your thoughts on Greggard after this? After with all the people coming out of the woodwork saying that he's calling for his job, what are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 27:02

I'm I'm I don't know. I think I'm in the minority right now. I think I'm still confident in him. I still think he's a great coach. Um people are just gonna I don't know, whatever. Just I think he's a good coach. I I truly do. I think he knows what he's doing. My gripe with him, if I had one, would probably be his end of game, end of half situational stuff. Like genuinely, I sometimes I'm just confused. Like it's just maybe the strategy is just to get the ball in the hands of your best player or your best playmaker and just let them do what they do. But I mean, I'm just not to be the dead horse, but if we're going back to the high point game, I think everyone knew that Nick Boyd was gonna be the one that was gonna take that last shot, right? Everyone knew we all know he's gonna drive left, try to get to the hoop. Yep, they everybody crashed on it, like everybody crashed on it. Why didn't we have like some sort of like anticipating that? I'm not sure why Greg Gard didn't have like some sort of thing anticipating that where there was a secondary or third option that would probably be open for an easy shot. I don't even care if it was a three, you know, yeah, but go for the win, go for just I don't know. I just that's my gripe, but I think there has not been many coaches out there that has done more with less than Greg Guard has. Right. I don't know how many people follow NIL or you know, obviously Wisconsin doesn't sit there and throw money out or like throw numbers out there because why would they? But I I've just things I've heard are Wisconsin, the university gives Greg Guard almost nothing, and it's almost all going to the football team now, and they need all the help they can get, but like and Greg Gard again is just showing like the university, like how much he can do with how with the all how little they give him. So why would they give him more, right? But I think most of everything he gets, a lot of it's from donors and fundraising. So it's I know like for I had someone call him try to call me out on Twitter or something about that the other day. It's well, yeah, they have money, how else you don't get Nick Boyd. Well, yeah, no kidding, right? But it's it's not like the university is the one giving them how much money they don't have the budget that Michigan or Indiana has. I don't know if you uh Twitter, what was it, front office sports, that Twitter account just they published something, um, and it got a little skewed because everyone thinks it included NIL money and stuff, and it didn't. It was just like the team's operating costs for basketball. And Indiana was like by far the number one team in the Big Ten, and they didn't even make the big turn, the big dance. So it's and they're supposed to be like a blue blood basketball program. Wisconsin, on the other hand, I thought I heard the number, I might just be pulling on my butt here, but like I heard around 12 million or even less was what they were using for their roster and everything. Which when you think about it, they got about 14 guys, it's you know, whatever, so maybe they're not doing too bad. But Nick, I'm sure Nick Boyd was probably around two, three million if I if I had to guess. So he'd probably, and I'm sure it wasn't cheap keeping John Blackwell on because I know there were teams that came sniffing around last year in the offseason that made him a huge offer. Obviously, he took less to stay with Wisconsin, anyways. I digress. I think Greggard has done so so well with a lot less resources, and I could just argue with anyone saying, yeah, it's it's frustrating, like we can't quite get over that hump. But at the same time, like the grass is not always greener, and we've seen that we let go of Paul Christ. Granted, he was kind of on a down going down a little bit, you know, or they took this huge horn swing, paid a ton of money to get Luke Fickle, and it hasn't paid off. And now they literally cannot afford to get rid of him either. So before anyone just wants to, you know, really, really quick jump on the message boards and you know try to get Greg guard fired, just it could be worse, right? But I'm I'm not and I'm not trying to sit here and say, like, I know we talked about this over the break, like what is happening is good enough, but like we're making the NCAA tournament almost every year, and once you're there, all bets are off. So, I mean, at least we have a chance. It's not like we're Indiana here where we're we're sitting at home or Minnesota where when's the last time they've been relevant, right? Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

I agree, I agree. Greggard has done a lot with a little. I don't think Greggard should be fired tomorrow. I don't think he should be fired going to next season. I think he's done a lot with a little. I think this team, if you want to look at it, and I know we're gonna do our season wrap up here in the coming weeks and everything like that. But if you look at a team like this, I think they're missing scrappers. Like, honestly, I think they're missing scrappy players. Like, and that that doesn't talk as much, I guess, into the NIL fundage and all that kind of stuff, because those guys don't cost you a lot, right? We talked about it, we talked about the a couple weeks back, and we said, you know, would you rather have one guy who's worth 11 million, or would you rather have three guys who are gonna give you everything for a million dollars a piece? I take the million dollar piece, guys. I thought this team was missing those scrappy guys, right? Like a like a Carter Gilmore or a Kamari McGee or even a Max Plesman, right? Those guys who just give you everything they have and they just keep coming and coming and coming at you. And there are those guys on this team. I'm not saying that this team doesn't have those scrappy guys. Nick Boyd showed it. Andrew Rhody showed it. We saw these guys play a tenacious kind of basketball many times throughout the season. I just think you were missing some of them guys. And who knows, right? He had this transfer portal class where he brought in Elijah Gray. And I'm not saying Elijah Gray was gonna be the greatest thing in the world, but he had another guy to this recruiting class, right? I think he was a 6'9 guy. He was coming out of Temple, I believe. I'm not saying he was gonna be the greatest player in the world, and I'm not saying that he went to Temple because that's just all off the top of my head. I think he was somewhere, somewhere in the world. I think it was temple. See, Christian was Temple, I think. He's giving me a look like I was.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

I know I had to think. I had to think like, where was he from? Because that was so long ago before he had kicked off the club.

What The Roster Still Lacks

SPEAKER_01 33:00

I just winged that. That's that's crazy. I see, I remember the things I'm not supposed to, but in math class that was terrible. But anyways, anyways, I mean, you had another guy, and maybe he would have worked out, maybe he would have been great, maybe he would have been the missing piece to this team. I don't know. I don't know that because it's it didn't happen. But what I'm saying is that guard has done a good job, like you said, with Little. And he's done it for years now. Jack Janicki has been banged up. Jack Janicki was not able to go in this game against High Point. Maybe he brings that kind of fire and leadership to the floor to calm everything down. He was known as the leader throughout the locker room, throughout the huddle. Maybe he'd have been a difference in this game. I don't have those answers. But what I do know, and like you said, it's not good enough right now. It's not good enough. Now, do I think Greg Guard's the right man to fix it? Man, I hope so. Because, like you said, I don't know if it's always greener on the other side. And that's why I said that's why I played the song Gambler going into this segment, because I wanted to make a statement that it's not always greener on the other side. You don't always have that best option. I know a lot of people said, Oh, why didn't you hire Tony Bennett when he had the opportunity? I don't know if Tony Bennett would have been the right fit because he would have left once NIL started. He'd been gone. Yeah. Right. Exactly. He'd been gone. He'd been out of here. He didn't like where college basketball was going, which all respect to him. I understand why he left the game. I get that. But the way that Tony Bennett was playing the game of basketball, too, wasn't working anymore because the defensive end, you had to have some kind of up tempo like the badges are playing now. But now it's about finding the happy medium. Because I think where Greg Gard is failing right now, and I think everybody can agree to this one, the defensive end has stunk. And where this team needs to address is the defensive end of the floor. And whether that's finding guys out there in the transfer portal, whether that's hoping guys like King's or maybe I don't know. I don't know if Jack Robinson's ever going to see the floor for the Badgers, but maybe a guy like that, whatever. Maybe one of them guys. It doesn't feel like it. I think he's a decent enough shooter, but it just sure doesn't feel like he's ever going to find or develop into the guy. But maybe he does. I don't know. You never know in an offseason what could happen. He's got some talent. We know that. We saw him playing uh high school or college or high school. And I thought he had some talent. So we'll see what kind of happens there. But maybe one of those young guys steps up, Bielowskis coming into his second year, Austin Rapp getting bigger, playing with the program for another year, talking about him being back. Other guys on this team, the young guys, King is there, like I said, Hayden Jones, they're bringing in ball. Guys like that are gonna come in. Maybe they bring some of that fight, some of that tenacity to this team because it just feels like they lack that physical edge. And it feels like it kind of goes away from this team, whether we can say Nick Boyd always plays physical, or we can say John Blackwell does, but then he goes away. Andrew Rhody, he makes his presence known at times, but then he's gone. You have those kinds of guys in this lineup, or they're not constantly making that presence known on the floor, and especially on the defensive end of the floor. And that's where I look at this team and I say, if they if you don't believe that B. Lowskis can be a dominant big guy, or you don't believe like Will Garlic can be a dominant big guy, the first thing I'm doing when the transfer portal opens, besides getting a guard, because you're gonna need one, is looking at my center position and saying, what big guys are available? What big guys can I go try and get? And I know there's gonna be guys who are gonna blow the budget right and you can't go get them. But where's my physical guy? Where's my guy that if I'm Greg Guard, I can say, hey, I have a post guy. I have a guy that can be a uh just kind of a demon down in the post area. A guy that you don't want to drive at, a guy that you don't want to attack. Because right now, when you look at this team, they have no, they have no rim protector. They have no guy that when you go in there, you just don't want to, right? You just don't want to go in there because this guy's in the game, right? You don't have that guy on this team. And I think that's the big thing they lack defensively. Because when you have a dominant big, a guy that's just like, it doesn't have to be a seven foot five Zach Eady or whatever, right? It doesn't have to be that kind of guy, but it has to be a guy that when you go in there, it's just man, I watched the other night there. It was uh I was texting you about it. It was Virginia and Duke in that ACC championship game. And the big guy off the bench for Virginia had eight blocks in that game. He got to the point where Cameron Boozer didn't even want to take it in there. And Cameron Boozer is one of the best players in college basketball, and he didn't want to take it in there because he was getting blocked by this guy. I can't remember his name off the top of my head. It slips me, but he was from Virginia. He had like eight blocks when I was watching on the game. It was ridiculous. But you a guy like that who just protects the rim, that's what they're missing the most defensively, I think, because it it negates driving. It negates guys from wanting to go in there because you just don't want to take on that guy because you know your shot's gonna get blocked, and then you're looking for kickouts and you get it just it disrupts rhythm, is I guess where I'm going with that kind of right now. Because you have athletic guys, you have guys who can guard guards, you have those kinds of guys in this team. You're just missing that rim protector. I don't know, Christian. Is that kind of off base or is that kind of where you're looking right now? I mean, I I went off on a tangent there, but is that kind of where you're looking right now defensively or at this team is, or what else is missing, I guess, in your eyes?

SPEAKER_03 37:51

Well, I think it's so open-ended, man, because just with today's, you know, whatever. Like, I know we were talking on the break about the Nolan Winter stuff, and I'm sure we'll get into that, but um, you just don't you can't you can't you can't know right now, right? Like it's you don't know who's gonna be here next year. You don't know if John Blackwell's gonna jump ship or Nolan Winter or who's gonna be here and who won't be, you know, or who's gonna happen the portal. But I think first and foremost, they're gonna need a point guard again. Um, I don't think you want John Blackwell being that guy if he's back, so like you gotta find that. I think you gotta find another small forward to cover for roadie slash Carrington, uh, multiple goals, guys. At least you need another shooter, I think. Yeah, so like that. But to like to your point, I think you absolutely need another big, like a big physical. We need another Chris Vogt guy, yeah. Chris Vogt or uh um Micah Potter. A Micah Potter would be perfect. So that kind of I'm sure they're gonna look for that too. Um because I mean, you like I think Garlock gave some good minutes this year for a true freshman who wasn't even supposed to play, right? But offensively, he doesn't give you a whole lot, if anything, at all. And defensively, he's you know, okay, I guess, but I'm sure he'll get bigger and stronger and he'll become more of a presence down there, which is what they want. But I mean, I think you also need you need a big five, a big guy like that that can also shoot, and that's where like you had a mica potter. That's he was huge for them when they got him. So I think they'd probably look for a guy like that. Maybe I mean it's probably gonna cost some money, you know, because everyone's looking for probably a big that can bang down low, but also hit threes. So um, I think that's probably what they're gonna be doing. Hopefully, I mean, the only good thing I guess I could say from like another quick exit is maybe the donors are like, we're so close, we're just missing a couple. Here's a little, you know, a little more money, see if we can get over. Because I know when Chucky Hepburn left, like no one thought he was gonna leave, but it's like again, life-changing money. Like, how you can't how can these kids say no? You know, it's like they're setting themselves up. So, like, I think they kind of that opened some donors' eyes from what I heard, and they're like, Holy crap, we have to kind of keep up here. So they started pitching in a little more. So, so again, it's back to the NIL. It's it's really what it is. I mean, if he had if Greg Gard had the money that Dusty May had, I mean, I like I saw some tweet where some guy was just talking about, oh man, look at what Dusty May did this year. With he only had this number recruit guy, this this transfer portal, as he's like the literally the number one guy in that yuck the uh Yaksel Lindenberg Borg. He was the number one overall recruit, caught him. He had like three guys in the top hundred. Meanwhile, Greg Gard's sitting here with Nick Boyd, is probably the top guy they got. I don't even know where he was in the rankings, but then year before that was John Tanjay, who was like in the 300s, and right like he's the guy, like they just can't go on a shopping spree like other programs can. So I think they're gonna have to be selective, and they're I think they do a really good job with that. And they've done it three years in a row, right? They went from AJ Store to Tanja now to Nick Boyd. So I think you got something going there, you gotta find some you know, underrated guys, but because you can't afford just to you know get in bidding awards with guys, but then again, how far does it get you either? Like I know BYU, uh AJ DeBansta, I think that was his name. I think we butchered that nonstop, but I saw someone he got paid seven million dollars this year, and they got bounced in the first round, too. So, like I mean, that it's it's that's what the NCAA tournament is, man. It's it's a crapshoot, all bets are off. It's again, it's who's hot. Yeah, the badges were hot, but so is high point, right? So I don't know.

Postgame Quotes And Overreactions

SPEAKER_01 41:31

It's who's gonna bring it, right? Who's gonna bring it going into an NCAA tournament game? And that's where I think that's where I think when we talk about physical players and we talk about we you talk about guys with killer instincts, right? Guys who are just gonna bring it, and you had some of those guys on this roster, I would say. You know, you look at a Nick Boyd, John Blackwell was just so hit or miss with it when he wanted to or when he didn't want to, right? He was so hit or miss with it, and it was just one of those things where you just didn't have it all click at the same time, and I think that's where it kind of fell apart for him. You watch after the game there, and man, man oh man, I mean, you feel for a guy like Nick Boyd. I saw the video of him walking up the tunnel and he hugged, he hugged Greg Gard, and he told him that he was sorry for everything that happened there. And then you hear him walking, and he's talking to John Blackwell, and he's telling him, keep going, keep going, right? And he's talking to him going up the tunnel. Like that was Nick Boyd. That was the leader in Nick Boyd. And it just it's stunk. It's stunk to see him go out like that. It's stunk to see it end like this, but now it's about okay, like you said, with donors or whatever happens next. It's okay. We've seen this now. We've seen this year after year after year after year. What needs to change? How do we fix this? How do you get over that hump? What's been the missing piece? What's been the missing piece this entire time? That's the question because it's the same thing year after year. It's the same thing year after year. It's the same heartbreak, it's the same, the same crap, it's the same lack of intensity, it's the same everything. So, how do you fix that? Where do you find that? It starts with Greg Guard, and I'm not saying no, we're not talking firing Greg Guard, but it starts with Greg Guard, instilling that into his staff, instilling that into his team, going into the season like that. Maybe it's trying to up the emphasis on defense. I don't know what it is at this point, but it's got to be something along those lines at this point here. So, Christian, one last thing before I let you go. I talked about it off the top of the show, and you kind of hinted at there when you were talking. But there's way too many people out there who we who read way too far into the well, is he gonna be back next year? Is he not? Because you see all these guys in their post-game interviews, right? Right after they lose the high point. A heartbreaking finish to a season where they just played this long season with all these guys, and now they're upset. Maybe they're in tears. You listen to John Blackwell talk. I felt bad for the guy. I was like, I'm so glad that he had such a good coaching staff and team around him that were able to round, you know, get around this guy and help him out, get through all the hard stuff that he had going on. But you listen to these guys talk, and everybody on social media and everybody around, well, John Blackwell didn't sound like he really wanted to come back, or Nolan Winter wasn't very committed when he was talking, and they all Want them. I think everybody wants them to like say, Man, I'm ready to come back next year and I'm just fired up to go beat somebody next year. It's like these teams, these guys just lost. They just lost a heartbreaker game. You always want from them. What do you want from them? Like, this isn't the time. I know they like the media loves to ask these questions. I get that. But the answers that we got kind of what I expected, to be honest with you. So I mean, Christian, what are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 44:25

Well, hand up. I think I'm one of the people that actually wrote about that, and I caught some flack about all that. Oh, you know, it's cool though. Like, but my okay. My whole point of it was I wasn't sitting here saying, Oh man, Nolan Winter doesn't want to be back. Right. My perspective is more from like the NIL point of view. It's like, man, things have changed so much. Where yes, it absolutely sucks. And I even put in my article that I'm sure people didn't read, but love to just like give me some crap about it anyway. Like, you just lost, but you know, like I put in there, like, it's an emotional decision, like it's an emotional time. Like, why would he sit there and say, Yeah, I'm coming back? And then something changes, or I'm not coming back. You know what I mean? Right, yep. But I just it's I just remember years ago when the badgers would lose something like this, or you know, it doesn't have to be the badgers, but something like that happens where you knew these players were coming back next year because that's how it is. You're you commit to a program, you're there four years. Um, and you just hear, like, you know, what it sucks. Like, I can't wait to get back in it next year. Like, we're gonna come back better, we're gonna change, you know, like there was that mindset of like, yes, you're coming back, and just how different now it is. That's yeah, like, because I know like the reporters were asking them, like, oh, well, what are you doing next year already? It's like, which I think that question kind of sucks, to be honest, but it also it is their job to ask it, and like your fans are interested, right? So it's like they want to hear that their star players or the players that they have watched the last three years want to come back. So I just thought, you know, it's kind of noteworthy. So I wrote about it a little bit, but I just think it is very interesting how the how it is now, where we always have to ask all these players, well, what do you think? Are you coming back next year, or are you gonna explore your options and leave, you know, after this heartbreak and blah blah blah. So it's are people looking into it too much? Yeah, like do I think look at Nolan Winter? He's the guy that like broke down in a press conference because he was so frustrated with how they've been playing, and that's not how they are in the program. So a guy like Nolan Winter, absolutely, I think he's gonna be back. I thought it was interesting that like he was completely non-committal about it, like, and it's and it's solely because like I had some guy tweet at me and said, Yeah, he has to say that. So he's in his NIL negotiation. It's just it's such a different world, and I just found it so interesting. But I think, yeah, people who expect them to just say yes or no, I'm coming back or I'm not coming back, is like, come on, like, you really think they're gonna give you a real answer right now after they just went through that?

SPEAKER_01 46:50

It's a question that, like you said, you're gonna ask because of the way that it is, but like Nolan Winter, I think he went on to say, like, he wants to be a badger, and that that's what he had to say about. I think I think he went on to talk about that a little bit. I think John Blackwell is kind of in that same boat, like they want to be badgers, but it's the way that it is, yeah, and I think the other part of it too is just sorry to cut you up because I just remember this too.

SPEAKER_03 47:11

I think another reason that like it kind of like popped in my head or like became like, oh, that's interesting, is because Austin Rapp also said, Yeah, I'm coming back next year. Like, this isn't a one-year deal for me, like I loved it, blah, blah, blah. And then you got a guy like Nolan Winter, who committed to Wisconsin, has been there three years, he has one year left. So it's so rare to see players stick it out all four years in one program, right? So it's like then hearing him not just being all in in a program was maybe a little like, well, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

I don't know. Does the heartbreak come back to get guys? That's the question that you always ask.

SPEAKER_03 47:46

That's a good question, too.

SPEAKER_01 47:47

Maybe they're no, when you always get dropped in that first round and you have one year left, if you're Noah Winter, I think Noan Winter has a lot of an ability to go to the NBA possibly and potentially be a guy in there. But if you feel like you're kind of reaching your end and you want to get to that next level, is I think Wisconsin's turning into a place that you would want to be because they are, you know, demonstrating your skills three-point-wise and everything like that. I think they're turning into that. But does their early exits in March kind of get to you after a while? I I don't know that answer because I'm not in the room. But does that start to get to you a little bit? I'm not sure on that. You know, you talk about like guys leaving. You look at Miami a couple years ago and they went to the final four. And I still remember when that, I can't remember that coach's name off the top of my head. Jim Larinaga? Yep, look like Jim Bayheim. They were like the same dude. But uh, when he came out afterwards and was talking about it, you know, after they made the final four run, they had eight guys come into him and say they weren't coming back the next year. And he's like, Well, what do you mean? And they're like, Well, you know, we can explore our options and stuff like that. He's like, We just went to the final four. What more could you possibly want? Like, we just went to the final four. You don't want to just run it back, but like Christian's throwing out the money side to me right now. It's money. Like 100%. Like, that's the way that it is now. So, guys not being committed. I mean, it stinks, it really does. And I wish guys would be like Austin Rapp and just come out and say they're gonna come back. But you have guys like Blackwell and Winter who are weighing their options, weighing their futures. Maybe you know, Blackwell's gonna go test the NBA water, whatever. I I have no idea what's gonna happen. But now at this point here is when you kind of just those guys aren't gonna be committal, they're not gonna say what's gonna happen. That's just plain and simple. That's the way it is. So, Christian, I gotta run here. Let the people know where to find you out there across social media.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

As always, you can find me at uh Christian Borman on all my stuff. You can find all my pretty much all my writing stuff at the Badger Backer, but you can also find me at uh Badgers on SI now, contributing for them a little bit here and there. So we're getting pretty big over here.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

He's big time, but I told him he's under contract with me, so he can't leave yet. I I told him that he's under contract. He doesn't know the rules of the contract, I haven't negotiated the contract with them. I also haven't negotiated any kind of other, you know, NIL money with them or anything like that. I told him that'll be negotiated on a different we'll see, we'll see.

SPEAKER_03 49:57

Well, I'm non-committal about coming back. We'll see.

Wrap Up And Brewers Next

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He'll be back Wednesday. Don't you guys worry? He doesn't know about the contract's binding him. He's not Xavier Lucas here. His contract binds him to this show. So when we come back, we're gonna wrap it up for the day. We'll be right back here on Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trage. I'm your host, Trage, as we're coming back in here on this Saturday, wrapping it up for the day here. I hope you guys are enjoying your Saturday so far here. And, you know, just kind of wrapping it up here. If you guys missed any portion of the show here, make sure you listen across the podcast platforms. I'll have it uploaded after the show here is done today. Otherwise, next day, of course, it'll be up there for you guys. Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trage. You can find it across all the podcast platforms. Like, subscribe, follow, share it out there to anybody you know. I'd love to get the follows and subscribers out there, right? You get them up, makes you feel like you're doing something good here. Also, if you can follow across the social media platforms, that would be awesome. And if you go on Facebook right now, I have the link to our merchandise sale, a proceed of the a portion of the proceeds goes to Warm Kids, Wisconsin to help a kid stay warm this winter. Well, this upcoming winter season, right? It's getting close to spring summertime, but this is when the fundraising is needed the most to help them out there. So make sure you check them out too, Warm Kids, Wisconsin, across all social media platforms. It's Saturday. The words are starting to slip on me. I just talked about the badgers and heartbreak for about an hour here. So don't get hard on me for words becoming a trouble here in the last segment of the show here for the day. But we have a lot to get into next Wednesday here on the show. We're gonna do our brewers kind of preview for the brewers as the brewer baseball is back next week there. So we're gonna get into a lot of brewers next Wednesday. I'm gonna have a lot of good guests coming on here. We're gonna talk a lot of brewers, we're gonna talk a lot of baseball in general here. We're gonna get into all the NL, we're gonna get into the AL, we're gonna talk baseball in general. We have a lot to get into for brewer baseball. So I'd love to hear questions from you guys. If you have some questions you want us to answer on the show, brewer baseball-wise, maybe MLB-wise, anything like that. We'd love to hear from you. 715-990-4914. That is 715-990-4914. Shoot your questions over there, brewer baseball-wise. I'd love to hear from you. Otherwise, if you have any other Wisconsin sports questions, make sure you shoot them over to that same text in line, 715 990 4914. Or hit me up across social media. We can answer the questions on the show here next Wednesday. So, with that, that's about all I have for today. I hope you guys enjoy the rest of your Saturday and the rest of your weekend. But until I talk to you guys again next Wednesday, studio.