In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
My Body Is My Buddy: Musical Healing with Tessa Violet
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What if your body isn't your enemy, but your oldest, most loyal companion? Singer-songwriter Tessa Violet joins us for a soul-stirring conversation about transforming our relationship with our physical selves through her new healing anthem "My Body's My Buddy."
Tessa shares the profound origin story behind the song—a retreat exercise where she wrote letters from the perspective of her body, realizing that while people come and go throughout our lives, our bodies remain with us from birth until death. This revelation challenges the fitness industry's common approach of "hating yourself into a better body," offering instead a compassionate alternative: your body loves you and experiences everything alongside you, including pain.
The conversation expands into fascinating philosophical territory as we explore whether we are our bodies or simply in our bodies, and what constitutes the essence of self. Tessa explains how meditation helps her create space between herself and her thoughts, describing the mind as "a tool and a buddy, but more mischievous than my body."
We also dive into the healing power of community and vulnerability, especially for men who often feel they need to "fix" themselves before seeking connection. Through a powerful desire exercise, we demonstrate how simply expressing what we want can be both revealing and liberating.
Wrapping up this meaningful exchange, Tessa treats us to a beautiful live acoustic performance that perfectly captures the themes of our discussion: self-acceptance, healing, and the grace to begin again. Listen in and perhaps discover a new way to view your oldest, most constant relationship—the one with your own body.
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Speaker 2Hey, rob, rob, rob, Rob, rob Rob.
Speaker 1You're like Beetlejuice If I say your name three times, you appear.
Speaker 2You just said it like six times. Does that mean I go back? I don't know. That's a good question.
Speaker 1So, liam, yes, pretend you didn't know me. Pretend you didn't know me. I know you want to like, I mean. I don't have to. Okay, you see me in the gym, I'm benching 300. I've got my headphones on.
Speaker 2Wait hold on Kilograms or pounds.
Speaker 1Oh, definitely kilograms.
Speaker 2Okay, Gosh just make sure?
Speaker 1Yeah, you had to make sure that's fair. Don't use no freedom units up here.
Speaker 2Listen, I had told people to guess my height in a video and they're like 190 centimeters. I'm like I don't know what the fuck that is. Are you saying I'm tall or short? We only use that's actually pretty darn close to your height. Yeah, I saw a bunch of 190. I was like that sounds like it could be tall. I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1So you see me in the gym. What music do you think I'm listening to? Abba, I mean, yes, but ABBA it's a tie between Abba or Disney songs.
Speaker 2Like you know, You're Welcome from Moana, or something like that.
Speaker 1That's impressively close, much closer than most other people would guess.
Speaker 3Okay, if I had to guess, I would definitely guess metal.
Speaker 1Yeah, I've definitely had people that have been scared to approach me Like oh, that guy's hardcore.
Speaker 3Every metalhead I know, though, is so nice.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, but yeah, if you look at a lot of my playlists, in the first five songs you will probably find our guest today, Tessa Violet.
Speaker 2Wait, that was her intro this whole time. That's what that was.
Speaker 3What a hoodwink. Stop. Oh my God, I'm honored.
Speaker 1So why don't you introduce yourself? Because we suck at introducing people.
Speaker 3Great, I love introducing myself, thank you, hi everybody. My name is Tessa Violet. I am a singer-songwriter. You might know me from my most popular song, which is crush and it goes. I can't focus on when he said get done and um. My newest song, which I think is the reason I'm here, is called my body's my buddy. Um, but maybe it's not, I don't know anything.
Speaker 1Well, I hope it's the reason you're here, cause I've got it queued up in the back. Okay, great, great.
Speaker 3Um, yeah, and right now. Sorry, let me turn my mic down. Right now I am working on a record of like acoustic songs of Healing Mantras and my Body's. My Buddy is the first song from that record.
Speaker 1But what healing? Okay, so Healing Mantras. Healing Mantra for me is cartoon themes from the 90s.
Speaker 3Which cartoon theme from the 90s are you putting on the album?
Speaker 2Sailor Moon oh shit, fuck. Oh, sailor Moon's a good choice, though sailor moon's great.
Speaker 3Here's actually, this is the thing you need to know about me. I literally love digimon so much and if people ever people like to compare digimon and pokemon, I understand why and I'm always like there is no comparison. Pokemon is the superior show, superior narrative, for a thousand reasons. However, one thing I will concede is that, literally, the Pokemon theme song is the best theme song of all time.
Speaker 1It can go with anything.
Speaker 2Yeah, I remember being eight years old and my friends and I would be like yelling it from our living room as we listened. I want to be the very best. I'm not going to sing all day.
Speaker 3But man, it's just, whatever it was, it hit hard so good. Okay, it hit hard so good.
Speaker 1Okay, so, speaking of healing, and my Body is my Buddy, that is the reason we brought you on is because you put out a song that is body positivity and forgiving and loving yourself. And I guess, since I mentioned, I have the clip, maybe I'll start with that, do it?
Speaker 4From my birth to my grave, every step I've taken clip. Maybe I'll start with that.
Speaker 1Do it my body, oh, so I just have to say I have my volume turned up, because Liam's usually really quiet in these recordings, and so I'm now deaf.
Speaker 2I know that happened to me real quick. I was like, oh, let me turn that down just as fast as I possibly can.
Speaker 1All right. So now that we can't hear anything, let's continue the interview.
Speaker 2Yeah, so like music, okay, so I think we should start there. So that's something. I've heard of this before. So people generally take like wood or whatever, they turn it into boxes and then that creates like sound and they pair that with like, like the larynx that also creates sound, and then that like harmonizes together in a certain way. Correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like I'm on the right track.
Speaker 3Yeah, no, that sounds right to me. I'd agree with that.
Speaker 1So where did the inspiration from this come?
Speaker 3from All right. So what you must know about me is that I am sober from alcohol for seven years now. I got married two years ago and I was thinking what do I want to do for my bachelorette party? Because, like the idea of doing the traditional out on the town as a sober person, it's not like, oh, I can't be around alcohol. It's just that it doesn't sound very interesting. I'm like it just doesn't sound like a celebration of me and what I'm interested in.
Speaker 3I have this friend, julia Nunes, who runs these coaching retreats that are all about the power of your yes and no and connecting more deeply to desire, and I reached out to Julia and I was like, julia, do you think you would run a retreat for my bachelorette party? And she's like, yeah, if you can convince everyone to do it. Literally, I got 12 of my friends to do it. It was so awesome.
Speaker 3And one of the exercises in this retreat was an exercise where you write a letter from the perspective of your body. Like you give your body a voice and you write a letter from the perspective of your body to you. You take a little break, then you read the letter and you write back from you to your body and then you repeat that whole exercise one more time. So it's two letters each back and forth for total, and the thing that came up for me in my letter was this idea that I'm like oh wow, like you know, people will like come and go through your life. You know your parents will die, new people will come in, but from the moment I'm born until I die, I will have this lifelong companion of my body and my belief is that my body loves me and my body is quite playful and funny and spirited and maybe I could take certainly I could take better care of my body. But also I'm like I am very disconnected from my body. So I wanted to write this song called my Body's my Buddy.
Speaker 1It's something we see a lot in the health industry that people will start their health journey in a place of hating themselves. They want to hate themselves into a better body.
Speaker 2Yeah, I was going to say a lot of people probably what you just said. You know my body loves me. I would hazard a bet that many people would not feel that way, that they either hate their body or their body hates them, or they feel trapped in their body. That's something I've heard many times.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean, I think that's really common and I hesitate to tell someone that how they feel is wrong. I'm like I don't know, maybe your body hates you, sure, like I don't know. Like maybe your body hates you, sure, um, but when I look at the reactions to this song you know a lot of the like messages and comments I've gotten from people was just like I've literally never considered this idea that my body, that I am not my body, and that I am not like in a prison of my body, and like, especially especially this idea that, like you know, when your body has pain, instead of feeling your body is inflicting pain upon you, your body is with you in this journey, also in pain. Like you are together in this experience. This is a belief structure that is beneficial to me as I walk through my life. I am not saying that it needs to be right for everyone, so if you hear this and you think, oh, that doesn't work for me, shrug it off.
Speaker 1I like that. That's an interesting thought that your body's, if you're experiencing pain, it's not trying to harm you, it's also in pain and doing it along with you.
Speaker 3Yes, and pain is telling us something. I'm really out of my depth. I'm not a scientist here, that's okay, we aren't either.
Speaker 2We can just talk like we're experts. It doesn't matter. This is a podcast. That's how social media works. Yes, that's how podcasts work.
Speaker 1I am an expert now.
Speaker 3I have knee pain sometimes and I know for me, when I'm experiencing that knee pain in my body, my body's telling me that I'm not moving my knees enough. So I don't know.
Speaker 2I've always found that like I'm in, because, okay, you know, I've always heard people say like oh, people in larger bodies or in smaller bodies, and like maybe it's just a semantic thing. But I've always found that sort of interesting because I'm like to me, my body is me, am I?
Speaker 3in my body.
Speaker 2And that's more of a philosophical debate I feel like Do you feel you are your body.
Speaker 3Tell me more about that.
Body vs. Self: A Philosophical Discussion
Speaker 2I don't feel like I'm in my body. I feel like I am my body and that's just. I don't really have an explanation for that. Besides, like, hey, everything my body touches, I feel that's me. It's all connected, the brain and the body, and all of it comes together. The knee bones connect to the something bone Head bone Knees connect to the head, as we all know.
Speaker 2You're the expert here Exactly, this is a podcast and I am a straight white man, so I will assert myself as a expert in everything. That is what that is for. But yeah, no, and it's not like I felt like people say like, oh, someone in a larger body or smaller body, that's wrong. So I've just never said it because it always just sounded a little just odd, just like odd to me.
Speaker 3I don't know, yeah, interesting. I have a question for you. When I think of myself, there are many parts to me. There is my body and there is also my mind which. I also do not feel that I am Like. I don't think that that is me, the essence of Tessa, and I'm curious for you do you feel you are your mind? Is your mind a part of your body? Is your mind your brain? What's your belief structure around this?
Speaker 2Yeah. So the mind and the body, I would say, are connected, of course, and to me I am both of those things, okay. So this is where you get into the philosophical debate. Let's say, a brain transfer was a possible and you had your brain transferred into another person, another body. Right, they remove their brain. Your brain goes in there, are you? You're still you. I'm like, I am still me because my mind is there, but I'm missing part of me because my body's not there anymore. There, but I'm missing part of me because my body's not there anymore. So, like I am still me, but like if somebody, somebody's brain went into my body, right, then I kind of I also sort of don't feel like it's me anymore because my, my mind isn't there, right, it's just my body, you know. So I guess I, I feel like I'm more prone towards saying like my mind is mostly me and it's connected to my body. So therefore it is me, but mostly I am my mind. Yeah, yeah, cool.
Speaker 1We'll have to trigger a Freaky Friday situation in Texas. What's the other?
Speaker 2one, they pee into the fountain. That one seems easier. I remember when you came up with that, yeah, we did like a little dumb collab. We're like, yeah, we peed into the same fountain switch bodies, and then, you know, do a little video. I don't remember that movie but like, yeah, so it's that's. I feel like, yeah, just more of a philosophical thing, like you kind of debate, and then you have the soul. Is there a soul? What is the soul? Is that?
Speaker 3what do you think?
Speaker 2soul. I I I don't really have strong feelings towards a soul. Does it exist Possibly?
Speaker 1The most important soul, in my opinion, is Soul Train, soul Train.
Speaker 2I like New Soul the song. That's a good song. I forget the artist, who that's by, but that's a really good song. Look that up. But yeah, I don't have strong feelings for it. Are there actually souls? I can't even define what a soul is, so how am I going to say it exists when I don't even know exactly? I'm definitely one of those people that's like if I can see it, if I can touch it, it's real. If I can, if you can measure it over and over and you have the same result, then it's real. Outside of that.
Speaker 1It's all a little. Could we possibly define the soul as the overlap of the experience between your mind, your body, the various parts of you interesting. That is a broad definition, so that's just but I mean soul itself is kind of a broad, it is I guess it's.
Speaker 2It narrows it down somewhat, because if you don't, if you don't do that, it's just everything about you, or it's not. Like I don't do that, it's just everything about you or it's not. I don't even know what you. So, yeah, so the connection between your mind and your body and everything that you go through is your soul. Is that part of the soul?
Speaker 3Can I tell you what I think the soul is?
Speaker 2Yeah, go, absolutely Okay.
Speaker 3I'm not saying I'm right and I'm not even saying I'm going to believe this. When you listen to this podcast that comes out a week later I don't know You're catching me Monday, april 7th, at 9.30am. To me, the soul is like life, energy. What is that special? 0.1%, whatever that? Sorry, I just got a notification. Let me turn this off. This will be too distracting. Like what makes us alive and that is soul to me. I, you know I'm interested in this idea that, like energy, cannot be created or destroyed and I feel that that is sort of where soul exists.
Speaker 3To me I think it's fun. One of my let me just say one of my best friends from high school, like one of my closest friends does not believe in the soul at all, and we love each other so much. Sometimes I'm like Rose stop saying I don't have a soul and she's like I don't think. I have a soul either and I'm like, but it's fun to believe in the soul. Oh, I, 100% agree.
Speaker 1See, that's my problem.
Speaker 3I'm ginger, I don't have a soul, I and she's like well, do you choose what you believe, or you do just happen to believe it and I'm like, okay, that's a great question. I'm like I will say about myself that when someone tells me something they believe, I love to try it on, to, like you know, experience it in my mind's eye and to be like, ooh, do I agree with this belief? And sometimes I do, and sometimes I'm like, no, but cool, I love that we all believe different things.
Speaker 2I love that you get your ideas challenged. I think that's kind of, you know, important in some way, just to hear people who have different thoughts on things. I took in at Ohio State. There was a class called Death and the Meaning of Life, which was one of my favorite classes.
Speaker 3Liam, you cut out.
Speaker 2I'm missing, whatever you're saying At Ohio State I took a class Death and the Meaning of Life Wait we missed you.
Speaker 3You cut out. Say it all again. You took a class called Death and the Meaning of Life, death and the Meaning of Life.
Speaker 2Yeah, at Ohio State it was probably one of my favorite classes I've taken and it basically just kind of goes through each of either the religions or famous philosophers and their ideas on like what, why, why are we here, what are the big questions, why do we exist, what? Blah, blah, blah, blah. All these different things, and that was fascinating and all of them just have very different, you know, opinions on what life is, what we do, do we have a soul? Do we not have a soul? And that's just kind of one of those things and I'm like it's interesting, but also like I just kind of shrug and I go, I don't know, I don't know, but it's fun to hear other people's thoughts on it.
Speaker 1You tried it on and it wasn't for you.
Speaker 3Yeah, what do you guys do? Do you have a practice around connecting to your body, and what does that look like for you?
Speaker 1I don't have a practice around connecting to my body. I have a practice around connecting to my mind.
Speaker 3Oh, interesting, tell me about that.
Speaker 1And that's actually with music Particularly. If I'm like feeling anxious stuff like that, I will sit down with usually the guitar. I will sit down with usually the guitar, and I'm not somebody who's good at guitar in the classical sense. I don't know how to play songs, I don't know what a well, I know some of the chords, but, um, it's an exercise of just plucking a string, listening to the, and it's almost like a puzzle game for me Finding what string sounds good together. And it's just, it turns something on in my brain and it gives me a focus and it gives me the sound of, it gives me the soothingness and I start to be able to hear myself better.
Speaker 2I don't think that, like I don't think there's anything else to that.
Speaker 1I know that I left a pause there like I was going to say something else.
The Soul Debate & Finding Connection
Speaker 2I was like yeah and and uh, I used to say it's someone who's like I kind of just see my, my body, my mind is me, my body is me, I for me, it's more about just self-care and just making sure I take time for myself as someone who has like a one-year-old and like I'm doing social media and my wife and I'm trying to like juggle all these different things and there's a lot of stuff popping up and I'm like I need to just take time. I've done that in the past where I haven't, and then it just kind of boils up and I just like lash out and I just get very angry at the littlest I can't find now stupid cutting out internet.
Speaker 3We missed you at the end.
Speaker 2Yeah, I know, I saw it pop up. That's stupid. I take time for myself because I can, otherwise that I can get mad at the littlest thing. I can't find the remote and then I flip the hell out, right. I think a lot of people have felt that way. So, in order to just take time for myself, to just do something I enjoy, to just relax and I don't know watch jackass or whatever dumb thing that I like, and just take that moment to just, you know, like okay, I, this is just for me, I'm not worried about anything else. I think that's really important.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2So what about yourself? What do?
Speaker 3you do Tessa, all right, I'm in a practice right now, a one-month container, where I am waking up every morning and I'm starting my day with 15 minutes of meditation, which is the. If you saw it, I made a little vomit face, I was like yeah, because I feel, rob, I feel way too connected to my mind, I feel um and quite disconnected from my body.
Speaker 3So and and also to me yeah and um, you know, within and and I want to say on this podcast, literally, I started this morning, so I am the beginner of beginners, I don't know anything, but here's what came to me in my first practice of it. Um, you know, I am sitting there, I am aware that I am a beginner, that I'm not doing it perfectly. I get like fidgety, and I noticed myself getting fidgety and then I try and center again and what I'm doing for 15 minutes is I'm trying to, as I breathe out, focus on my breath out, focus on the little pause and then focus on my breath in and focus on the sensation of my breath, like moving in and out of my lungs, moving in and out of my nose, and like that is where I am bringing the focus of my attention, to this feeling of breath, instead of the constant like internal monologue that I have going chattering on something. Do you guys have an internal monologue?
Speaker 1oh yeah, all the time people's.
Speaker 2I don't have my, so have you ever seen those uh toy monkeys that have the symbol that like clang together? Yeah?
Speaker 3Yeah, that's a monkey clanging no.
Speaker 2I don't really like. A lot of times I just zone out and I'm just like thinking about nothing or it's just like you know I'm planning Cause I have, you know, that social media like a plan in the next video. Often I will just kind of mouth a lot of the lines I have planned for a video and my wife will be like, what are you planning on for this video? And I'm like, and then I'll tell her because she knows when I like mouth words and stuff like that, and I'll have like gestures in my face because I'm like practicing what I'm going to do.
Speaker 3I'm the same way. My husband will be like what are you thinking about now? Yeah, exactly Right. You're like, oh, let, what kind of suspicion are you having?
Speaker 2So this is my next dick joke I'm going to make in my upcoming video or something stupid like that Swear and then so like yeah, it's either just like really just nothing going on, or like you know, something like that, and I'm actually like acting it out, I don't yeah.
Speaker 1On the mention of morning meditation, I will say, now that it's warming up and there's not quite as much snow on the ground here, I have been wanting to get up and just go outside, get some sun, take Pippin for a walk and just have a nice quiet 15 minutes.
Speaker 2That's the way to start the morning. That's the best way to start the morning. You can have it, Rob.
Speaker 3I'm telling you, it's a little relaxing. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yes, so I have a mentor in this and my mentor's like how do you want to do it? I'm like I want to do 15 minutes every morning and he's like, okay, can I be honest with you? I'm like, yes, and he's like most people fail at that goal I like that it's like I really recommend something easier to start and I'm like what's easier than 15 minutes?
Speaker 2that's where we start with diet, though people are like and like exercise. I'm going to work out three days a week and then we're like hey, how about one day?
Speaker 3Yeah, and he's like what? What I recommend is you should do three minutes of meditation five times a day. So just um, you're going to set you know a thing in your calendar. However, you want to do it and you're gonna be like, oh, it's meditation time, and then you're just going to take three minutes.
Speaker 1Was that your notification? You got like 30 minutes ago, meditation time yeah.
Speaker 3So you know, but I sat with that. I'm like, okay, I will do that as well, but there's something about the dedication of getting up for the morning. I'm like, I think I for me, for my personality type, I, I at least want to try and I'm willing to fail if I can't stick with it, but anyway, so I'm meditating, you guys, I'm up at 6 am, I'm meditating and I hear my thoughts saying, you know, something like I'm bored, I'm uncomfortable, I can't wait until this is over, or, honestly, not even about meditation, about something totally unrelated. And then I notice myself thinking and I say with my internal monologue I see you and I feel I have this moment where I can see my mind as something that is outside of myself.
Speaker 3My belief around my mind is that my mind is a tool and a buddy, but more mischievous than my body. My body's like really kind of light and love. My mind is a little bit of a trickster and I'm like, oh my God, I keep thinking that I am you, but like hello, like you are a tool that I can either um use to create beautiful things, um, or I can let totally run me, like my mind is always running If I'm not um dedicated to the practice of being aware of this running. And that was a cool moment to be like I see you. And then you know that fades and then it comes up again. I notice it again and I say I see you, but it's like, as I'm getting to the you in my internal monologue, it's like just fading to nothing, because even saying I see you is using my mind speaking of using your mind as a form of expression, obviously, um, well, I should say it seems like you do a fair amount of expression through your song.
Speaker 1Yes, I mean, you've got uh what no? No song, my god was sort of like a sexual awakening.
Speaker 3Yes, we're waking up, we're being sexy, we're being a bad bitch.
Speaker 1You got. You Are Not my Friend. I guess we could just say that's about a bad relationship, yes, and not about teen pregnancy.
Speaker 3Yeah, and not about hating teen moms.
Speaker 1Yeah, so how much of your music is just you expressing yourself?
Speaker 3All of it, 100%. All of it, a hundred percent. All of it my belief. Have you ever read A Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert?
Speaker 1Nope.
Speaker 3Ooh, you guys are my creative people. I think you'd like this book. Or maybe not, I don't know. Anyway, elizabeth Gilbert is the author that did Eat, pray, love, and this was one of their follow-up books. It's a guide. It's a guide, it's a scaffolding for belief around creativity. If you don't feel like reading an entire book, she also did a TED Talk on it like 12 years ago, and, to be honest, the TED Talk covers all the content in like 20 minutes.
Speaker 3But it's about this belief that ideas for creative ventures exist outside of you. You don't invent them. You are open enough to listen to them and your job as an artist is to channel that idea from this ethereal realm into Sorry, we're going to be really esoteric today, I hope that's okay Channel it into this dimension, as it were, and you have lots of tools to do that. One of the tools is the mind Like for me, when I write a song, I begin by just trying to move my fear out of the way, because if I'm at the beginning of a session, often I will feel what if nothing good comes? What if I don't write anything? What if I feel bored? And I become aware of those fears and I just try and really move them out of the way. And I say this is just my practice today. I'm practicing being open enough to bring something through.
Speaker 3And in the beginning I do feel when I write a song I'm pulling on my lived history, but there is also a sense of pulling something from the air. And then, once you have like some ideas down, you can start to use the tool of your mind to refine, to make it all make sense, to ask yourself, like do I like this? Like okay, I'm going to judge it now. We don't judge when it's coming through. When it's coming through, we're just opening it up to let something in. But once we're editing, we're putting on our judgment cap. We're being like what about this works? What about this is not working? Yet I totally lost my train of thought here. Guys, I'm so sorry. I'm like what?
Speaker 1was the question, but I'm a huge fan especially as somebody with chronic depression anxiety, all that fun stuff of finding a way to express yourself through creativity. Yes, and do you have any tips for people that might want to start expressing themselves musically?
Speaker 3Musically. That's a great question, rob. Thank you for asking me. Is this for someone who's never played before, or maybe someone who has like a little bit of practice?
Speaker 1Let's start with somebody who's never played before. Maybe somebody wants to pick up an instrument and they're like okay, I really feel like I could express myself through this thing.
Speaker 3Yes, great Love this, yeah, they got a didgeridoo.
Speaker 2And now they're like what do I do?
Speaker 3I've got a didgeridoo hell yeah, I have literally so many like sound bath type instruments in my apartment and the didgeridoo is one that I don't have anyone who's listening to this podcast. When me and Rob popped on both, does the video go out somewhere?
Speaker 3I don't even know that we both have these frame drums in the background of our, I'm like, oh my gosh, we're connected, okay. So, just like everything I've spoken of today, the ability to practice creative music is also a practice. So the first day you do it, you have to go into it with the attitude of I am a beginner, I'm just learning For me, attitude of I am a beginner, I'm just learning For me. When I decided I was going to start learning guitar, I had a vision of myself six months from now, and by vision, you guys, I don't mean anything esoteric, I just mean I imagined within my mind's eye it's not that deep that I was going to learn to play some songs and people were going to be impressed by me. And I was very motivated by that concept and I thought, even if no one believes in me now and my ability to do this, I believe in myself and I will learn a little bit at a time, and every minute I spend practicing is one more minute toward this goal.
Speaker 3I love guitar, I recommend guitar, but I think guitar is sometimes too hard for people who are new, new, new, because there's a bit of a hurdle that you have to be willing to build up the calluses on your fingers, which is painful. You go through a blister phase. So ukulele is a great stringed instrument that can get you going. People like to make fun of ukulele. People think it's a beginner's instrument, but that's because most people's experience with ukulele is only ever having heard. I heard people will say I don't like ukulele, I'm like that's not true. You just don't like listening to beginners play music which that makes sense.
Speaker 1I mean anybody that says they hate ukulele. I just say, go watch Izzy.
Speaker 3Yeah, exactly, I'm like. Ukulele is a beautiful instrument. You just are only familiar with new people.
Speaker 2I've always been curious. Just because you're a musician, what's up with the banjo? That always seemed fun. That always seemed like a fun instrument to play.
Speaker 3Oh my gosh. I mean, I don't play it, but maybe you do in the future.
Speaker 1Oh.
Speaker 2That always seemed fun. If I was speaking between guitar and banjo, I'm going banjo. That just it's fun.
Speaker 1Banjo. That just. It's a. It's a fun. Banjo is fun. You can have it. I had a banjo for a while. My ex had one. She never really played it. She left it around for me to play. She finally took it back, so I don't have it anymore.
Speaker 3Yes, you can have it. Okay, so sorry. Back to this, this practice. The best advice I was ever given about songwriting is that inspiration is for amateurs. If you are going to wait, wait, wait until you feel inspired, you will find that you are not spending a lot of time practicing. For me and my music practice, I block time out in my day. It doesn't have to be every day, you know, like y'all saying, with working out, maybe you just start with once a week you know, like you said with your meditation yes, start small.
Speaker 3Start small, but you give yourself a framework of time where you say this is the time that I am practicing being creative and inspiration may always come later, but then when inspiration comes, you will have the practice that you need to pull that idea in better. I like that.
Speaker 1I like that.
Speaker 3Do you write songs, Rob?
Speaker 1I am at the point where I am starting to try Because, as you said, I did the practice first and now that it's starting to form in my head, I have some of the skills to actually start putting it together.
Speaker 3Yes, I love that. I love that. Can I tell you guys a desire I have?
Speaker 1Of course, oh, I'm sorry, no, sorry, okay, I do not consent. Of course, oh, I'm sorry, no, sorry, okay, well, I do not consent no, consent is not given.
Speaker 3I kind of want to do like a workshop with people. That is around helping beginners start to write songs. But I literally have no infrastructure on that, but it's like a someday dream but I'm like, yeah, I think I'd be good at that. I do believe anyone can write a song.
Speaker 2I'm not saying everyone can write a hit song, but but can we be honest, like a lot of times, the hit songs, are they the best songs? Are they even good songs, like the hit songs?
Speaker 1Or do you just say Around the?
Speaker 2World 1,800 times and then it gets a gajillion views. Not that I dislike that song, I'm not trying to hate on daft punk here, like. But you know, like sometimes the pop songs that hit the the charts maybe aren't the the most well like written or thought out or you know that sort of thing they're usually following a formula.
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Speaker 3Yeah, okay, well to to offer a contrary opinion. Um, there are some hit songs that I personally think are stupid, if I'm being honest, however, if a hit song were actually easy to write, everyone would do it and let me tell you writing a hit song is incredibly hard, even if it is just saying around the world a million times, because there is something about that song that feels so fucking good you're just like ah right, millions of people wouldn't listen to it if it wasn't like quote, unquote.
Speaker 2Good, what is good? Is it good if it gets a lot of views because you know listens, then yeah, it is a good song, yeah, or does it get a lot of listens because it makes people feel good? There's a, there's a lot to this. That's what you know, like I mean. But like they're maybe not the most deep songs that make you really like right, exactly that make you, that are thought provoking Let me maybe put it that way.
Speaker 3Yes, for sure, for sure. In general, like big, big songs tend to be songs that make people feel good and, in fact, simple. That make people feel good and, in fact, simple things make people feel good and maybe there's something to that.
Speaker 2Everybody you say gangnam style, open whatever it's open, gangnam style, dance around and you get 18 kajillion views nobody even knows the lyrics I don't know the lyrics.
Speaker 3I still listen to it I've still never seen that music video oh, really wow.
Speaker 2I watched it just because I felt like I had to. After a trillion views, I was like, all right, well, let me, you know, I gotta, I gotta check I have I'm pretty sure it got foisted on me my husband just walked in, hi scooty. I'm doing a podcast right now hi dante rob says hi, liam does not say hi I don't say hi, what I will will say can I tell you what I've gotten into, that I enjoy Fidget toys. I've really enjoyed that which ones?
Speaker 3And?
Speaker 2why? Usually the little spinners. I like anything that like the little fidget spinners. I'm like 10 years late to the party on this, but like I don't know. There's something I just enjoy where I kind of just zone out and there's just something like twirling around or spinning or going up and down or whatever it is and I'm like, yeah, this is kind of nice where I'm just like not really thinking about anything but there's just a little spinny doodad I enjoy. I enjoy that.
Speaker 3I like it. Yes, a little simple thing Makes us feel good. It's the simple things in life, right? Yes, I mean, I think so.
Speaker 2Smell the roses, spin the thing in your hand not okay.
Speaker 3Okay, this is a, since you're saying this, sorry total. Okay. Well, I have two questions. I want to check in on one. I know we're at an hour. How long are your podcasts normally is?
Speaker 1it okay if I keep talking shit, or until we're done, yeah is it okay to go a little bit longer?
Speaker 3oh yeah, or do you? Do you have?
Speaker 1to go. It's okay if you do an hour 40 minutes, I believe yeah okay, great.
Speaker 3Also part of me is I'm like maybe talk about the take out all that part where I said all that stuff aboutophobia. I don't know if I just did a good job representing it. I want to. It's difficult to speak to it when it's like my lived experience is from the perspective of a thin, white former model body. Anyway, this is what I was going to say, which is not related to that at all, I do you feel?
Speaker 1Yes, I feel.
Speaker 2No, I don't feel. Oh shit, that's a problem. I should get this checked out.
Speaker 3I'm so sorry. This is a total like unrelated thing at all and I'm like how do I make this?
Speaker 1related to what I was just saying.
Speaker 3We go for it, that's what we do okay, great, um, I feel that, okay, if we're speaking outside of all the like political, societal, like infrastructure problems, we have in this country one problem, but besides all that, um, I really feel that we need more community, which I think everyone knows and is talking about. But I am like what does that look like in a real way? How can we foster actual community? I'm interested in this idea of healing. What does healing look like? I think a lot of people it's a common belief, maybe, especially for men Are both of y'all men.
Speaker 1Let me check.
Speaker 3Okay, great, so maybe you can speak to this. But I believe that there is a belief for especially men that they feel that, okay, I will go out and make more friends, I'll make more community once I'm like right with myself, once I'm fixed, once I you know whatever. And I am just curious if, in fact, there can be more healing, if you are willing to be vulnerable about who you are right now. And does any of what I'm saying mean anything?
Speaker 1Can I rant about something I know?
Speaker 1usually it's Liam that rants but I absolutely have a rant about this about community, because one thing I tried to do when, particularly when starting up a discord, was I tried to reach out to other creators and be like, hey, let's merge into this one big community, bring everybody together, have a community. And I absolutely hate that everybody always feels they need to have their own thing, because humans are finite resources. A single person is only going to be part of one or two communities. I mean they might have again in the terms of Discord. They'll have one or two main Discords that they've joined and then they might have a bunch of other ones, but if they're going to talk about how they feel or something, they're only going to do it in one or two of those. They're not going to go to every single one, and so I hate that everybody spreads them out.
Speaker 1Every time somebody makes a new discord, you are you. The only way for it to exist is to take from somebody else's discord, and so we actively are not building communities, we are actually spreading those communities out, and I hate it is something I have always, have always hated, because I'm absolutely completely for building bigger communities, building safe spaces for people to talk about what's going on, bringing people together to validate each other and in shared experiences, and particularly as a man speaking, we have that aspect of men aren't allowed to have feelings, men aren't allowed to ask for help and you get into a community where there's other men who are sharing their feelings, asking for help, you are more likely to do that.
Speaker 3Yes, yes, yes. We look to each other and we see. Okay, rob, can I tell you one of my beliefs?
Speaker 1Of course.
Speaker 3I believe this about all people, but especially the role of the artist. It is your duty to let the person that you were as a seven-year-old, your light shine before the world made you feel embarrassed for being who you are. It's your duty to let your light shine, because when you give yourself permission to be who you are, you give everyone else permission to be who they are too.
Speaker 1I like that. Sorry, I was also burping at the same time.
Speaker 3I'm glad there's permission to burp on this podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 1I'm glad there's permission.
Speaker 2It's funny you bring that up though just because I was just talking with my wife about this and we talk about it a decent amount because she has this feeling as well that we've lost a sense of community and that has been a disservice to the human psyche.
Speaker 2I guess, in a way and the way I look at it is from a perspective of both technology and as populations have increased those two things, I think, have driven us apart, which is kind of weird, because like, oh, more people should mean more community.
Speaker 2When in general, let's say, you go to like a rural area where there's only like 50 people, they probably all know each other, right, like they're probably there, they, you know, they know each other's name something, whereas if you go to an apartment complex with a thousand people, you maybe know one person, right, it's just kind of like as you get more people, you get pushed further away and I think it's just this loud noise, this din that's going on around you of so many different things to narrow down on one thing, whereas if you just have one neighbor in the middle of fucking nowhere, then you probably know that one person.
Speaker 2You put on top of that technology, which is great in so many ways and as has solved a lot of problems. Of course, like with anything, it's going to create problems and I think, while we can use it in a in a way to kind of bring us together things like discord and whatnot, I think it just for the more so it pushes us apart and we all kind of live in our own little world with our social media. And you just swipe and you and you and you look at what's just going on with just you and this phone and that's it.
Speaker 1I just say that is what I love about living rurally. I I hate every other aspect. I hate the bad internet, I hate the one hour drive into the city to go shopping, but I love the community aspect and, like pippin's best friend is the dog across the alley, I can just go outside with pippin, bring him across the alley, let them play, talk with the neighbors, yeah, and it's great yeah I think, yeah, those two things, I, I, I, what uh I've talked about, like I named my whole like channel the plant slant after uh learning about the blue zones, and I talk a lot about their diet.
Speaker 2But their community is their places, where people live like into their 90s 100s.
Speaker 2Their community is very important to them and I think that's an important part of their health is they. They, they absolutely interact with each other and they talk all the time. They do all these things and I think that's kind of it kind of important. So, you know, if you can find something that, whatever it is, whether whether it's a sport or a religion hey, it could be Scientology Well, maybe all right, let's maybe not go crazy but let's not go crazy, yeah let's not go too crazy here.
Speaker 2I don't want to. Well, let's me not. Let me not turn off all the Scientologists that we're listening to. But you know whatever, you know community, that you know that whatever activity or whatever it is that that gives you a sense of community, I think could be very important to your health. Love it.
Speaker 3I have an exercise that I think it would be fun to do if y'all are open to it.
Speaker 2Is it first or is?
Speaker 1it. No, you have to make us agree to it first, and then you, you suck the rest into something.
Speaker 3I'm going to explain it first and you can decide if you want to do it. So this is a bring it all the way back to the end of the podcast. This was one of the exercises I did at my um, uh, bachelorette party. Um, and it's a desire exercise. What it is is we will, I will set a timer for maybe three minutes, um, and I will ask one at a time. So, rob, I'm going to ask you what do you?
Speaker 2want.
Speaker 3And then you're just going to say anything that you think that you want, and I'm going to say you can have it. And then I'll say what else? And then you'll say anything else that comes to mind, and there is no desire too big or too small, and we'll do that for about three minutes, four minutes, maybe three minutes, and then at the end I'll say wow, I love your desire, thank you for sharing, and you'll say thanks for listening.
Speaker 2Sure, I mean I'm in, okay, okay.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 3I don't feel like I felt an enthusiastic yes from Rob, and that is okay. We don't have to do it.
Speaker 4Also, I could go first if you guys want to ask me sometimes it's easier to experience someone doing it.
Speaker 3I love to do this because, um, I don't always know what I want, and it is a helpful exercise to be like yeah, what do I want? Also, it's a little bit vulnerable to on a podcast because I'm like what's going to come up?
Speaker 1I don't know oh, I mean, we've already embarrassed ourselves plenty of times great, that's fair.
Speaker 3Would you like me to go first, and do you guys actually want to do this?
Speaker 2Let's do it. Let's do it Okay.
Speaker 3All right, Rob, you do it with me. You're going to ask me what do you want? And we're going to go through it.
Speaker 1I'm going to say what you want.
Speaker 3I want a fuller meal. I'm hungry.
Speaker 1You can have it, what else?
Speaker 3I want to wake up at seven tomorrow to meditate, not six. You can have it. Do I just keep going? What else I want to do?
Speaker 1my three-minute meditation after this podcast and not forget, you can have it and we'll make sure that we remind you what else I think I want to own a home someday. You can have it, thank you. That was a hard one, but you can have it.
Speaker 3What else? I want to live closer to friends. I want to live within walking distance of my friends.
Speaker 1You can have that, what else?
Speaker 3I want to have enough money to have a reasonable retirement.
Speaker 1You can have it, what else?
Speaker 3I want to be more connected to my body.
Speaker 1You can have it, what else?
Speaker 3I want to move my knees after this podcast.
Speaker 1You can have that, what else?
Speaker 3I want to go on a fun date with my husband, Dante.
Speaker 1I will call him up and make sure it happens. You can have it, what else? I want to save more money to spend less money. I want to spend less money. You can have it. What else?
Speaker 3I want to help people.
Speaker 1You can have that, what else? I want to help people. You can have that, what else?
Speaker 3I want to put out a beautiful album that is meaningful to me and to others.
Speaker 1Oh, you're absolutely going to do that. What else?
Speaker 3I want less mind chatter.
Speaker 1You can have it, what else?
Speaker 3I want to move slower.
Speaker 1You can have it. How long do I keep going?
Speaker 3I've got a timer. We got 45 more seconds.
Speaker 1Okay, what else?
Speaker 3I want to be more gentle.
Speaker 1You can have it, what else?
Speaker 3I want to continue to exercise more self-love.
Speaker 1You can have it, what else?
Speaker 3I want more self-compassion.
Speaker 1You can have it, what else?
Speaker 3I want to do a going away party before I move.
Speaker 1You can have it, what else?
Speaker 3I want to call my family more.
Speaker 1You can have it, what else?
Speaker 3I want to recognize beauty more when I see it.
Speaker 1You can have the timer up, but you can have that too.
Speaker 3Thank you, and then you say I love your desire.
Speaker 1I love your desire, thank you. And then you say I love your desire, I love your desire, thank you for sharing.
Speaker 3Thanks for listening. Oh my gosh, would one of you like to try it?
Speaker 2Yeah, Rob, you don't have to Rob. You seem super enthusiastic about it.
Speaker 3Here's what I like about this exercise is that almost everything that we want. When I hear you can have it, I realize, oh, I can have it. It is literally just about setting my intentions, and the thing is that you can't have everything, but if you decide this is the thing I want, you can set forth, make that your intention and walk toward it, and I think that's powerful and I think it's helpful sometimes to say that you want something and maybe you thought you wanted it, but you hear yourself say it out loud and you think, yeah, actually maybe I don't want that.
Speaker 1There are stories we tell ourselves about what we think we should want, okay, okay, all right, let me get rid of the mind chatter here.
The Power of Expressing Desires
Speaker 3Yes, there's three minutes. There is no wrong thing. You can say this is not a test, silence is okay, it's okay to think about it and it's okay to say something stupid. There's no judgment. This is play Rob. What do you want?
Speaker 1More friends.
Speaker 3You can have it, what else?
Speaker 1Enough money to repair my truck.
Speaker 3You can have it, what else?
Speaker 1Also enough money to support all the other people when they're streaming or when they need something or something else. All that stuff, you can have it. What else To build a nice backdrop for videos? You can have it. What else To go lay in the sun with Pippin?
Speaker 3You can have it, what else?
Speaker 1A fireplace.
Speaker 3You can have it, what else?
Speaker 1A fire in that fireplace?
Speaker 3You can have it, what else?
Speaker 1A table saw.
Speaker 3You can have it.
Speaker 1What else? A really badass Viking axe.
Speaker 3You can have it. What else A better CPU? You?
Speaker 1can have it. What else? Someone to mow the lawn for?
Speaker 3me, you can have it. What else A better CPU? You can have it.
Speaker 1What else? Someone to mow the lawn for me.
Speaker 3You can have it, what else?
Speaker 1The snow gone so that the lawn can actually grow.
Speaker 3You can have it, what else?
Speaker 1A hot bath.
Speaker 3You can have it.
Speaker 1What else? Pizza? I'm really craving pizza right now. You can have it. What else To find where my mechanical pencil went? You can have it. What else To find where?
Speaker 3my mechanical pencil went. You can have it. What else?
Speaker 1People to remember my birthday this year.
Speaker 3You can have it, what else?
Speaker 1To one day be able to do a charity stream as big as Scotty's.
Speaker 3You can have it, what else?
Speaker 1Peas I really want peas too On the pizza. You can have it. What else? Peas I really want peas too On the pizza, you can have it. What else I mean? Maybe on the pizza We'll see A freshly brewed cup of coffee.
Speaker 2I need another cup of coffee. I feel that right now.
Speaker 3Rob, you can have it and I love your desire. Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1Thank you for listening.
Speaker 3Of course, yeah, how's it feel doing it? I mean, it's okay if you're like, like it feels stupid and I didn't like it.
Speaker 1I liked it. It was just letting it all out there. I don't even remember half of what I said, but that's okay, I feel lighter.
Speaker 2I don't remember most of the things I say, so it works out pretty well. It's all good. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3The other thing I like about this exercise is that often I realize that many of the things I want are like not that big, you know.
Speaker 1Right, like the sunbeam with Pippin Exactly.
Speaker 2Why don't you get your pencil?
Speaker 1Yeah, I want to know what happened to that pencil it's a really good pencil.
Speaker 3It's like I can actually do that right after this. I can have that, I have a desire and I can have a desire you know obtained. Liam, do you want to try it? No pressure.
Speaker 2I try. I don't Do we need to do three minutes. I don't know if I got three minutes.
Speaker 3We can do less. It's whatever you want. Do you want to?
Speaker 2give me a minute. Give me a minute. I feel like I can do a minute.
Speaker 1Put him on the clock for three, and if he's done, just let him be. Either way, it all works.
Speaker 3All right. Well, I want to suggest, if you're open to it, maybe a minute 30, because sometimes you find good things when you think you've run out.
Speaker 2Okay, sounds good. Liam, what do you want? I want to make people laugh.
Speaker 3You can have it.
Speaker 2What else? I also want to make people worry less about shit they don't need to worry about.
Speaker 3You can have it, what else?
Speaker 2I want to travel. I want to go to other countries that aren't Canada. You can have it. What else? I want to travel with my wife and I want more alone time. I love my daughter, but we need more time to ourselves.
Speaker 3You can have it, what else?
Speaker 2I want to continue learning to ride the unicycle and be able to do more than just one shorts line you can have it what else? I want to be able to add the juggling into the unicycle, because I want to be able to do both at the same time and not just one, because, yeah, you can have it, what else? Uh, a cup of coffee. Like rob said, I want that too, you can have it what?
Speaker 2else, I need new shorts because it's summer coming up and all my shorts suck when they're falling apart you can have it what? Else, um more funko pops, even though I don't need them at all, you can have it. What else hiking I want? I want to go to place. I want to hike places that have hiking you can have those places in canada.
Speaker 2No, that's right, I won't travel. That's good. I think that's good. Let's do one more. Okay, um, I want to um be in a movie, in a comedy, where I also make people laugh.
Speaker 3You can have it, Liam. I love your desire. Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 2Thank you for listening. Yes, that's what it was.
Speaker 3Yes, thanks for doing something weird with me, guys.
Speaker 2Listen, weird's my. I wish weird was my middle name. I wanted to make my daughter's middle name Danger. Hear me out here she's on the playground and she's doing something dangerous and they say don't do that, she. She, she turns to them and goes don't worry, danger's my middle name and there's no way you can tell that kid ever get anything she would have to have like a mini recorder that allows her to play the bond sting.
Speaker 1Oh, you could play like the background well, I give her a little smartphone.
Speaker 2She'd have a little smartphone with her and she's just like a little button and she could play it at any point. It's like its own app.
Speaker 1That would be amazing.
Speaker 2How cool would that be, come on, I mean, we gave her the middle name Valentine, and that's like good.
Speaker 3Oh, that's so sweet, it's a good middle name.
Speaker 2We came up with a good middle name.
Speaker 3But Danger's awesome too, though. On man yeah, man, ever better be careful test and I steal it. Well, I am all about, like you know, I don't have any kids, but I love the idea of like strange middle names because it's who uses a middle name who you? You?
Speaker 2rarely ever use like a little spice. You know that's I mean, I guess I use my middle name all the time, but I have a spicy middle name my middle name. My middle name is Violet. Oh, so it says.
Speaker 3Okay, I wasn't sure. Oh okay, okay, that's good.
Speaker 2I mean see mine's Perry, like who gives a shit. That's awful.
Speaker 3Like it's a fine name, but it's a middle name, come on. Is it a family name?
Speaker 2I think it's my uncle. Like so that's fine, it's cool, but like, I want a fun, I want a fun middle name.
Speaker 3It's you give your kids fun middle names. That's all. Let me tell you something, liam you can have it.
Speaker 2I mean I want to change my middle name to danger you can't do it.
Speaker 3You could be liam danger I already.
Speaker 2I already my last name was hyphenated and I said that is awful, why would anyone do that to their kids? And I changed it. So I did do that. Okay, good to know. Good to know. Yeah, forget, it's annoying anyway yeah, I've heard that. Yeah, it's very annoying. Don't do that to your kids. Give them a fun middle name. Don't hyphenate their last name. That's the real moral of the story of this episode.
Speaker 2In moderation all right, good to know, don't be your worst but no, okay, maybe we you should tell people where to find you after this and all that good stuff.
Speaker 3Yes, hi everybody. So I am everywhere you can find people. I'm also on Twitch recently, but will you ever see me? What I want you to know is that I am working on this beautiful new record and you will be able to hear that record probably. I'll start putting out songs for it next year and until then, oh, actually text me. Oh fuck, I just turned off my texting thing. I don't want to pay for it anymore. Okay, well, I don't know. My name is Tessa.
Speaker 2Violet. I'm not there.
Speaker 3Listen to my music. Listen to the music.
Speaker 2Find me where music is found.
Speaker 3Yeah, Go to YouTube. The music videos are cool.
Speaker 1Liam Liam.
Speaker 2What's your?
Speaker 1favorite Tessa Violet song.
Speaker 2My Body's my Buddy. And that is the answer from someone who only knows one song. I'm going to go with that one.
Speaker 3It's a good one. It's a good one.
Speaker 2See, that's a good one. I listened to it.
Speaker 3Yeah, can I play you a song to finish?
Speaker 1Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3What I got a guitar right here.
Speaker 1Well, that's convenient.
Speaker 3I'm just adjusting the microphone. I'm also realizing this will be the first time I sang today, so here's hoping, guys.
Speaker 4I have this image in my head I'm on a train going somewhere that I don't want to go. To my left is the open air inviting me to jump out on the hill, but that'd be insane. It's so much easier to be here on this train Going somewhere that I don't want to go. And besides, what if I get off and find I like the new place even less? Knowing this is not enough is enough. Knowing this is not enough is enough. I don't like the way it feels being here with you. I can never tell what's real and what is true, but somewhere inside my body I am saying I don't want this anymore. Once I've heard it, then I've heard it. You can't stop me now. I will honor and protect her. I will not allow myself to squander one more day accepting less than she deserves, to squander one more day accepting less than she deserves. Knowing this is not enough is enough. Knowing this is not enough is enough Enough, my friend. She says what's strange is nothing changes. If nothing changes, changes. Oh, oh.
Speaker 1Oh, oh.
Speaker 4Give yourself the grace to start again. If it hurts, you put it down. If it don't serve, you look around. You're doing great, my babe, I swear you're gonna make it. You never can know I could come and it's not done. Until it's done. You're doing great, my babe, I swear you're gonna make it. I can do hard things, parallel, parallel parking, like it all. It just takes Practicing. I can walk a new path. I can get myself back. I can learn to be a better friend. Give myself the grace to try again.
Speaker 2Well, she can't hear us, but we are clapping. She can see us clapping. I'm just going to keep clapping until she puts her headphones back on, there we go.
Speaker 3This is not the end of the story.
Speaker 1But this might be the end of the podcast.
Speaker 3But it is the end of the story. But this might be the end of the podcast, but it is the end of the podcast. Thank you, guys, so much for having me on. This was delightful. Thank you for letting me be as strange as I am. I am an insane person and I love getting to be one.
Speaker 1I think, that should be everybody's goal.
Speaker 2You need to be a little insane in this world, you have to be. You can't go through. There's no way you're going.
