How Overhyped Protein, Online Bullying, And Kind Coaching Actually Shape Health

A walking pad hums, soda cans crack, and the jokes fly—but what sticks is a grounded approach to health that actually fits a full life. We hang out with Edin from Evidence Nutrition to unpack how he coaches everyday people and athletes without the noise: simpler plans, less moral panic around food, and real talk about what sustainable change looks like when you work a 9–5 and still want to perform.

We get into the weeds on protein myths and athlete fueling, including why obsessing over sky-high protein can starve your carbs and wreck endurance. We compare sport nutrition vs everyday nutrition, and draw a clear line between bodybuilding aesthetics and health-focused training. We also talk coaching fit—why a good coach refers out when a client needs a different skill set or lived experience—and how relatability and ethics matter more than shiny marketing.

The conversation turns to online culture: fat-shaming, “bullying works” nonsense, and the weird overlap of moral posturing and comment-section cruelty. We break down how algorithms reward outrage, how lighting and PEDs warp body expectations, and why skill in the gym should be treated like skill in tennis: it takes time, reps, and patience. Along the way, you’ll hear practical content-creator tactics (batch filming, editing at 1.5–1.7 mph on a walking pad), plus the kind of candid behind-the-scenes that demystifies people with big followings.

We close with something personal and urgent: Movember. Edin shares his commitment to men’s mental health and suicide prevention, with a goal to turn small donations and shared posts into meaningful awareness. If money’s tight, sharing the link or hitting follow still helps. Before you go, drop your favorite creative, food-first way to get more fiber—no powders required.

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Transcript

Cold Open, Host Swaps, Banter

SPEAKER_07 0:18

Welcome back to Mike in Moderation, where every week we replace one of the hosts with Mike because stuff's going on and yeah.

SPEAKER_06 0:27

What's up, Mike? I I was gonna just pretend to be Liam, not say anything, introduce myself as Liam. I just act as Liam. What's up, Liam? I'm doing all of them. What's up, Liam? Uh anyway, would you happen to know the uh street that I grew up on and my mother's maiden name? The street you grew up on was My childhood dog.

SPEAKER_07 0:47

Uh I know this. I know this. Come on. Uh sorry, I forgot. It's just not coming to me.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

Are you trying to come up with a stripper name or banking uh security questions?

SPEAKER_06 0:57

I just I I can't figure out how to get into my banking details. That you know, it is what it is. The answer is cottage cheese.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

I've got cottage cheese.

SPEAKER_07 1:05

I've got your social insurance number written down over here. I'll send it to you later.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

Oh, perfect, thank you. Yeah, it'll actually be in the description of this video. Everyone else is a good idea.

SPEAKER_07 1:13

He's got a man to pretend to be uh no one. I mean Liam conveniently dragged somebody in off the street.

SPEAKER_06 1:19

I did quite I absolutely did, and it's uh I doubt that he would ever feel the need to pretend to be someone else because he's so cool on his own. Edin Sohovic, hello.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Hello, hello. Thank you so much for the warm welcome. That is the welcome that I deserve. By the way, if you notice, if you guys are watching this, I don't know if you can hear the difference, but if you're watching this, uh my head and Mike's heads are bobbing up and down. And before we started recording, I realized Mike was walking on a walking pad, and I felt like guilty for not walking on my walking pad, and my steps were really, really low. So significantly lower. Yeah, I would I put it this way, all I'm gonna say is I'm less than 30% of Mike's steps for the day, so I felt obligated to at least walk slowly.

SPEAKER_07 2:06

I I do just being like, screw that, I'm gonna sit. Dude, he's balling. He's in comfort mode.

SPEAKER_06 2:12

All my clients coaching calls, everything I do on this walking pad standing. So I'm getting like 20 to 30,000 steps a day.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Grinded. I actually don't doubt that. Like, what are you walking at? Like a 1.7 to 2.0 all day, or even faster?

SPEAKER_06 2:28

Uh 2.6 right now.

SPEAKER_03 2:30

That's pretty fast. Well, okay. So if you were typing though, you slow down a bit, no?

Walking Pads And Content Workflow

SPEAKER_06 2:34

Oh yeah. If I'm if I'm typing, like if I have to write because I take all my notes, um pen and paper, I sometimes I'll step off to do that. Right. But otherwise, the old side-to-side. Yep, where we just drive to get really short.

Meet Edin Of Evidence Nutrition

SPEAKER_03 2:49

Fair play. I was gonna say, I'm I'm more like if I'm editing a video and walking pad, uh, that's actually the saving grace for my steps. Because for a lot of people that don't know this, I batch record a lot of my videos. So what that means is I'll try to record a few quote unquote evergreen videos or videos that don't really matter what day I post them on, just so that I I because I try to post every single day. And so um I'll also do some reaction videos, uh, but usually I'll post like I'll take two days out of the week to record like seven or eight videos, um, if not more, if I can. And then the rest of the days, if there's something pertinent that comes up, like today, I'll record a reaction, I'll record a response to a question, things like that, and then edit that on the fly. But because I work full-time, it it helped and then coaching as well. So it helps me to be there every single day. But, anyways, when I'm editing, I like to have like 1.5 speed because I can't type any faster. But even that 1.5 to or 1.7-ish is what I'm averaging. Miles per hour is the speed. It's very slow walk. You'd almost feel like, oh, that's nothing, dude. When you're editing for like two to three hours, you end up getting at like over 10k steps easily, and it's like painfully slow.

SPEAKER_07 4:10

That's all interesting and stuff, but who the fuck are you?

SPEAKER_03 4:14

So for those of you that don't know me, this isn't my first time on this show. Um, I'm just some diabetic guy that they pulled off the street. They saw me taking a needle and they thought, that sounds interesting. So they brought me in. And Mike was like, dude, this guy looks like uh a lot of fun. No, but uh I go by Evidence Nutrition. Dude, you never told me there was a Snickers bar. I would have ran faster. Um, the they uh Yeah, no, my name's Edin. Um I make videos on a page called Evidence Nutrition. I have a background in nutrition and dietetics, similar to Liam, I guess. Um and uh yeah, so I make videos debunking and you know, debunking misinformation, educating, hopefully, simplifying nutrition is hopefully the goal, nutrition fitness, those kind of things. I just don't make cool replies and cooking videos and stuff like that because I just I'm not cool. It's not that I'm lacking the videos, I'm just not cool. That's all.

SPEAKER_07 5:11

So we know who you are. Yes. Now we can go back to talking about how Mike gets way too many steps in a day.

SPEAKER_06 5:19

This is Rob, are you taking a cue from me and my critique that we don't ever introduce who we're talking to? Nor do you introduce you.

SPEAKER_07 5:27

No, the the we what was it? Way back on like episode nine, um, one of the comments on one of the videos was um that we don't introduce.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

It took you 30 minutes to introduce someone.

SPEAKER_07 5:41

And so after that point, we were just like, okay, guests introduce themselves. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

I kind of like that though. It's way more informal, it's way more uh listen. I mean, the podcasts I listen to when I'm in the car or whatever, they're very conversational, and I think that's a little bit easier to follow because sometimes you just want people talking in your ear about nothing too stressful, you know? So that's what we do. I like it. Nothing too stressful.

SPEAKER_06 6:08

Nothing substantial.

SPEAKER_07 6:10

Nothing substantial except the DeLorean fund.

SPEAKER_06 6:13

Except the DeLorean fund. Oh, we're raising money for a not an old DeLorean, but a new DeLorean. What's the ones? They they've made like a second generation DeLorean. It's the DeLorean Motoristican. Yes. And it's it's got the endorses same thing.

SPEAKER_03 6:29

I did hear of this, but I have not actively I am currently looking it up as we speak.

SPEAKER_06 6:34

What you'll find there, probably listed fairly prominently, is the price for the new DeLorean. And that's kind of the hurdle right now.

SPEAKER_03 6:43

That's just our first hurdle that we're facing. So is it the first hurdle? The Alpha 5? Is that what you're looking at? I it's that what it's called?

SPEAKER_06 6:56

Why the f why is this like the spec is ass?

SPEAKER_03 7:00

Like it looks cool. Don't get don't get me wrong. But like performance-wise, this thing is ass.

SPEAKER_06 7:06

What the fuck? The original DeLorean was also ass. It wasn't a cool looking car.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

Yeah, yeah. To be fair, this is a massive improvement. This is kind of what the DeLorean thought it was at the time, I feel like. It's got a nice rear end, I will say. Rear profiles, cool, gulbling doors, cool. It's electric ass. It does, yeah, exactly. We're on par here.

SPEAKER_06 7:29

It's like somebody blasting a gram and a half a trend. They look real great on the outside, but their insides are melting. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

Yes. And they're made of batteries also. Um batteries. I presume this is electric, but I can't really see anything.

SPEAKER_06 7:45

Yes, EV. And but here's the reason why Liam wants this car, and and I support him. So I'm a big Back to the Future fan.

unknown 7:54

Right?

SPEAKER_06 7:54

I've got, in fact, right here, uh, pieces of the original DeLorean time machine screen used. Oh, wow. So yeah, I'm serious about this thing. Liam has never seen the film. Now, the reason he wants the DeLorean is when people ask him, Well, are you a fan of Back to the Future? He wants to be able to say no. I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_03 8:16

That's that's like Yeah, that feels on brand.

SPEAKER_06 8:19

So that that's that's where we're at.

SPEAKER_03 8:21

Well, I'm a big car guy, so I I support that. I think um I think if anyone likes any cars, and cars are an interesting piece of kit because they can start a conversation. Doesn't matter how big of a piece of junk it is or how incredibly expensive it is, and like anywhere in between, if you have like a cool, unique car, I feel like it just starts a conversation and that works you unintentionally.

SPEAKER_07 8:46

So today on Inmoderation, screw talking about health and fitness. We're talking about cars. Just side side tangent. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 8:53

Sorry, but you could have like, you know, an 80s truck, an 80s truck, and if you restore it, or even if you don't, it's a good conversation piece or a quarter million dollar DeLorean.

Zero Sugar Drinks And Fast Food

SPEAKER_06 9:03

I've I've got a 98 Toyota Corolla, pristine condition. This thing doesn't have to be a good one.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

Oh, you got a Corolls Royce? A Corolls Royce. Yeah, dude, those things are running forever. That is pure luxury.

SPEAKER_06 9:17

It's about to hit 400,000 miles in risk of getting a cyber truck.

SPEAKER_03 9:21

And then he's getting a fridge. Wow, that's crazy. What an upgrade.

SPEAKER_06 9:25

So tell us what you're doing in the fitness space. Who do you help?

SPEAKER_03 9:28

Why do you help them? So currently, I help a wide variety of people, but I work with some athletes in the space, uh, and I work with a lot of general pop now. Um, we've relaunched the coaching, and we're working with them on really quite simply simplifying their nutrition. Um, so for some folks, that may be just giving them a plan to stick to, whether that's nutrition or fitness or both. Uh, and then for other folks, that's creating uh an idea around nutrition that helps them, you know, separate. Really, it's helping them improve their improve their relationship with food. But uh for a lot of folks, I don't want them to think about even that there is a relationship. Even though there is a relationship with food, a lot of people like get so tied down to like, oh my god, like food is ruining me. And so it's like trying to separate them from food being this thing that they think they're addicted to or might actually be addicted to, or you know, there's all of these different preconceived notions around it. So again, just trying to help them see what quote unquote eating healthy can look like and demystifying that for them. So anyway, we work with we, as in me, I have do I do have some help with trying to organize my time, but otherwise, it's just me in the coaching side, um, and trying to get them, you know, demystifying their fitness and nutrition, really trying to make it not so granular. While yes, there's a lot of research, and I do a lot of reading every week, um, but just trying to make the the average Joe who works a day job, not trying to be a bodybuilder, you know, that works whether they're there's some C-suite execs, there's some folks that work just a nine to five job in a corporate building, they don't want to be bodybuilders. And I don't want to work with bodybuilders, to be quite honest with you. Um, I have done that work in the past, not hated those experiences, but it's just not for me because I don't want to teach you to be on stage because I don't want to be on stage. So that's kind of the gist of it.

SPEAKER_06 11:36

Yeah, health and fitness are very different from bodybuilding performances, extremely different.

Coaching Focus And Client Fit

SPEAKER_03 11:42

Anybody, and even sport from health and fitness are very different. You know, talking to some of my clients who are involved in sport compared to just talking to people who want to learn about exercise and nutrition. So I actually will talk about exercise nutrition separately from sport nutrition. They're very different. Um, one of them, timing matters a lot, one of them timing matters a lot less. So um, yeah, it's it's really complicated. And then if I put a video out for sport nutrition, I'm gonna get all the people that follow me for exercise nutrition like, what? Like the freaking out. Because the guidance guidance should be different. So yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:24

So, how do you feel about the uh social media pushing 200 grams of protein a day on just the average Joe?

SPEAKER_03 12:33

Here's the thing. Um, uh one of my clients who is an athlete, I recently had to walk them off the ledge of the gram per pound of protein. Because, you know, when you equate calories and then also take most of their calories effectively, or almost half, and put them towards protein. And then a lot of that, obviously, if they're eating protein, they they eat meat. So a lot of them they would also be consuming a high amount of fat in conjunction with that. You've got nothing left on the carbs. The carbs end up being like 100, and this person was on average, I think it was 150, 160 grams of carbs per day. They're an endurance athlete. They had nothing, effectively, nothing left for carbohydrates. And carbohydrates, I don't care what carnivore keto douchebag you want to be, that's great. But even keto researchers, which I'm friends with a solid amount of them, will tell you that low carb is great unless you want to be an athlete. Then it's not. So, um, so you know, it's trying to unlearn these behaviors or unlearn these preconceived notions that a lot of these folks have. Sometimes I'm lucky and the client is very receptive to it. Other times I'm not lucky and they just start looking for the next person who's going to tell them what they want to hear. That's life. Right. That's the industry that we live in, I think. And I think honestly, that's important to talk about too, because um I feel like a lot of coaches want to be like, yeah, I can help everyone. No, you can't. You can't. And it's not because you're uneducated. I try to comment this to some people, maybe like quite literally on their comment section. Like, everyone wants to be like, yo, sign up for my coaching, this and that. Cool, I get it. You have a business, but like you can't help everyone. And if you think you can, you're gonna get absolutely railed by life quickly. It'll humble you. So um, in instances like this, you're gonna be heartbroken, right? Because I think people that are coaches, there's a lot of them, whether nutrition coaches, dietitians, fitness coaches, whatever, they get heartbroken when they can't help people because they get into the industry to help people. So uh I I think I feel like I learned that maybe not so early on, but early enough that I don't get upset about it. I just try to find someone that can maybe guide the person back to reality if I can't, or that can use what they you know. So I just try to find somebody else that might be able to help them that I know, uh, and then push them over to them. Which happens a lot more than you think. I actually don't take on a lot of clients.

SPEAKER_06 15:15

I send people to other people all the time. Yeah, they'll come to me and they'll like I'm not particularly a personal trainer. I deal with people who are more so my ideal client is someone who has been trying to lose 50 plus pounds for five plus years and has really been struggling with it. They've tried everything. Uh they're probably an emotional leader, somebody who has lost weight successfully before but gained it back. Just people who have a a relationship with their weight. They're not just like, hmm, maybe I'm I'm gonna try to lose some weight right now. Like I'm gonna do it. Yeah, it's almost like an identity, right? Yeah. Yeah, I'm not just gonna be given calories and macros, and here's how to move. Like, we're we're gonna get into your childhood kind of shit.

Protein Myths And Fueling Athletes

SPEAKER_03 15:56

Yeah. Yeah. You know, and and in fairness, there's a distinction to I hate to be that guy that's bringing it back to me, but I just want to make it clear for I guess someone whoever's listening to this conversation. No, no, I thought I was just Mike today. That's why I was walking. Oh, that's right. You're Mike. Mike is the um, I'm me. Exactly. That's why I'm wearing the hat to hide the blonde, you know. Um, but that was a controversial like my clientele. My clientele, for example, would very rarely like, yes, I get a lot of fat loss clients. Absolutely. There's no shortage of that uh in my history with coaching, but my clientele will never be someone, not because I don't want them, but because I just feel like I will push them to a friend of mine who maybe has more experience in that, whether more education or quite literally the experience of it. People that are trying to lose 100 plus pounds are not my people. And it's not because I don't love them. Quite the opposite. It's just because I feel like they won't get the value from me that they will get from someone else paying the same price, or maybe more sometimes, depending on the person. But I think relatability is a big thing as well, you know? And I have not lost a hundred plus pounds or 50 plus pounds. And not that that is the only thing. You guys know me well enough to know that I don't preach on my page like you have to have experienced this to know what the fuck you're talking about. No, um, but I do think it plays, it's it's important, uh especially when you're putting your money behind something and you really want to like believe in a product or a service. I think it is important. I think it's valuable to be able to relate to the people because you need to have a connection with the client, and sometimes that connection is the re relatability. Absolutely. Just the same that somebody that's perhaps lower income, it doesn't really make sense to collaborate with, although that's a whole separate talking point. It doesn't really make sense to hire a coach that's like living in a mansion with, you know, Lamborghinis, Bugattis, whatever. They still do it sometimes, you know, but it doesn't, it just doesn't make sense, right? So um because they kind of don't breathe the same air, they don't live the same life, they don't know the little hacks that we can, you know, save them money in their goal or in their pursuit of whatever their endeavor is.

SPEAKER_06 18:14

If anybody here's looking for fat loss coaching, I am broke as shit. I'm sorry. If anyone here's looking for fat loss coaching, anyone listening right now, I'm broke as shit. Don't worry about me living in a mansion anytime soon. It won't happen.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

Dude's the most relatable guy ever, except except for the fact that he's got more steps than you. Regardless of what you think, he will have more steps than you.

SPEAKER_06 18:36

Oh, this I wanted to talk about this before. I So anytime I do a live stream, I'm walking.

SPEAKER_03 18:42

Sorry, sorry, I do my sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Just need to interrupt for a second. I know you didn't hear it, but that was the sound of a sugar-free beverage being opened.

SPEAKER_06 18:52

Oh, we heard it. We heard it. You know, I'm gonna go get one and then you guys start talking about that afterwards.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

Okay, perfect. Um Did these have I think these are aspartame? Yeah. Aspartame and accessifame potassium, or ace K, as my American friends like to call it. I've never heard a Canadian say that, so I'll just, you know, but feels just like a lazy way out. How many steps have I taken? This is this has been a lot.

SPEAKER_07 19:17

I don't think I've ever heard a Canadian say that aside of you, maybe. But then again, 90% of the people I know are American.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

Yeah, dude. I what's so funny is like actually what all a lot of there we go. Join the club. What what do we got there? By the way, mine was a fresca. What is that? This is an X W0 reason I've got this.

SPEAKER_07 19:37

Now I feel bad for opening mine before we started.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

Oh, that's okay. Yes. Okay, that that's all. We don't drink calories here. Listen, he's in a he needed to drink that in a timely fashion. It's highly caffeinated. Mine could have been consumed whenever.

SPEAKER_06 19:56

I love a Sprite Zero. I love a diet squirt. Uh, but this right here, which you guys, you Canadians don't have. Yeah. Yeah. But this right here, this leaves uh for those of you not on the visual medium, this is an AW Zero sugar root beer. This satiates me in a way that the other ones don't.

SPEAKER_07 20:15

It leaves AW is a different company than your AW.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Yeah. I feel like attacked with that. We do have AW root beer, and the diet variety is just different.

You Can’t Coach Everyone

SPEAKER_07 20:25

Yeah, you've got the but you don't have when I went to the U.S. No, we don't have Diet Square. I tried, but I wish we did. A and W Root Beer Zero, and I was like, I don't know. This kind of tastes just like our diet root beer up here.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

It's yeah, this feels like a like a tax loophole for some reason. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 20:44

We get 300 different flavors of zero Dr. Pepper, you guys get healthcare. That's the trade-off.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

But also your AWS.

SPEAKER_07 20:52

Sorry, what? The AW burgers in the U.S. look like shit.

SPEAKER_03 20:55

Dude, can we talk about this for a second? Rob, have you ever been to a McDonald's in the U.S.?

SPEAKER_07 21:01

I didn't. I meant to go when I was down there. I did go to a McDonald's when I'm down there.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

Like, I feel like you need to go just to experience it. But every McDonald's in the US that I've ever been to has been like really disappointing. Whereas, really, forgive me, uh, but Mike, we don't have fast food like you guys got it. But okay, Rob, correct me if I'm wrong, but like McDonald's is kind of the cornerstone of fast food here, no? McDonald's and AW, yeah. They hold it down. All right, fair enough. I'll take that. They hold it down. So whenever I go to the US and I'm like, oh God, I got like no other option. And then there's McDonald's around, every single time, disappointed. I'm disappointed every single time. It's like not the same standard. The fries always suck, which is like, whoa, come on, they're French fries. And it must be because they're not fried in tallow. That must be what it is. Must be it.

SPEAKER_07 21:54

That must be it. Yeah, Mike, you're gonna have to take me up to McDonald's while I'm down there.

SPEAKER_06 21:58

Yeah, I want to see a Canadian's reaction. Rob's coming here next week. I look, I as somebody who used to be at McDonald's three times a day for a long time. I I wasn't going there because it was satisfying. That that wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

But it's also not cheap, dude. It's not cheap anymore either.

SPEAKER_06 22:16

Not anymore.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:18

Now I would have been having to take out loans or something.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Dude, a mortgage for a fucking Big Mac, dude. Forgive my language.

SPEAKER_06 22:26

Back then I could get in and out for uh like five dollars, you know, but yeah, now it's uh three times that easily.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

To confirm you're talking about go in and then leave the location, or are you talking about in and out is in the loc the restaurant?

SPEAKER_06 22:38

In and out is disgusting, and I will die on that hill.

SPEAKER_03 22:41

You know, I I agree normally. Oh, forgive me, all of this walking has triggered my blood glucose to drop dramatically. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 22:51

Yeah, let's not have that happen.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

Walking.

SPEAKER_05 22:54

Yes. Yeah, I'm diabetic.

SPEAKER_03 22:55

Do you fun fact. Do you have a I'm gonna stop walking. Like uh while I do have food. Um I'll this is not a sponsored promo. I'm just gonna have some creatine gummies that uh that I had here for a video yesterday. Not a sponsored promo, but they do have some carbs, and if it gets bad, I'll walk away for like two seconds.

SPEAKER_06 23:15

Yeah, if you just have to walk away real quick. Go and get some get a snack real quick and then come back. We will we will hold it down, as the kids say. Hold it down, yeah. Hold it down. What else do I do? They they say that I'm chopped and also unk. You're Sigma. I haven't been called unk yet.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

No? How old are you? You can tell my TikTok views are in the toilet because I haven't been called Unk yet. One moment.

SPEAKER_07 23:40

Wait, are really are people really saying unk these days? Yeah, well, it's mostly children, but yes. Really? See, that's um that's a thing you s you see a lot on uh uh from the native population here is um they'll call each other uncle and stuff. I don't know if you're gonna be able to do ever seen somebody with a profile picture, but I see that happen a lot. So it's weird to be thinking that young people are suddenly going unk.

Hate Comments, Algorithms, And Why

SPEAKER_06 24:09

It's it happened fairly recently, and it's always somebody with like an anime profile picture. And if you were to click on their thing, it'll tell the it'll say, like, I'm graduating high school in 2029. Like, okay. Well, this person's opinion does not matter. Like, it doesn't are we already pressed. Oh, way past that. I haven't seen that in a while. That that feels ancient now.

SPEAKER_03 24:32

Um I I never actually saw it. Does that make me a bad person? Um, yes.

SPEAKER_07 24:38

The skibbity, get off the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 24:40

Fair play. To make me an even worse person, I have this. This was so disappointing. Uh by the way, I'm holding up a raspberry lemonade ginger ale. It was disappointing for two reasons. One, because I thought I grabbed a zero sugar variant. It was not. It is full sugar, hence why I'm drinking it now. Um also flavor was like mid.

SPEAKER_06 25:00

It's when you need it, you need it. I am I I don't, I'm not a diabetic, but I do suffer with low blood sugar and low blood pressure and everything. I've I've got a whole bunch of shit wrong with my body. I am 23 recessive traits masquerading as a human being in a trench coat. But yeah, it's like I've got a little bag of salt in my glove box, and I had to find the coarsest grain salt I could in case I ever got pulled over and they found it so that it looked like salt.

SPEAKER_03 25:26

Yeah, so that they weren't like, the fuck are you doing? Yeah, it's either Chipotle.

SPEAKER_06 25:32

Yeah, well that too.

unknown 25:33

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

Not you're not the guy within that.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

The seed oils at Chipotle.

SPEAKER_07 25:39

My body's doing amazing. It's my mind that's going.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Yeah. Yeah, I feel that. My my mind is definitely. I mean, I can't, I'm not gonna speak to whatever it is that you were gonna get dive into, hopefully, Rob, but I feel that. Oh, I wasn't gonna dive into anything I was just saying. My my body's also cooked.

SPEAKER_06 25:57

How are you kind of? We're gonna be the most jacked guys at the retirement home. Honestly, dude, just put me out at that point. Be flexing in the mirror, and the nurse is like, yeah, you look exactly like C Bum.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

Who is that? Who is he talking about? That's how they know I'm getting like put away for dementia or whatever. Like he keeps mentioning this C-bum guy. Never heard of him.

SPEAKER_04 26:17

Sam Sulek? Back in my day, Sam Sulek. He drank chocolate milk and got huge. Yeah. Give me my chocolate milk. You just don't understand.

SPEAKER_03 26:29

Put the walker down. Put the walker down. Anyways, I have no idea what we were talking about. Lots of different things. Abuse and replace. Yeah. Um, so what did I interrupt, by the way? You guys did uh call me out onto the pod. I feel like I commandeered this pod for no reason, and I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_06 26:50

There's never a structure on these shows. We just bring in people that we want to have chats with, and we get to have chats with them. It's a good excuse to hang out with friends.

SPEAKER_07 26:59

There is zero structure to this. Wow. We just talk, we're just chilling. That's some of the feedback that way.

SPEAKER_03 27:07

Yeah, what's some of the feedback you guys get on these pods? I feel like that would be like a fun little uh topic of conversation right now. I'd love to dive into that.

SPEAKER_06 27:14

Do we have the comments? Can we like read some fan comments?

SPEAKER_07 27:18

Um when we started out, there was some comments about how uh, you know, it'd be better if we had the questions prepared ahead of time and um of course introduce the guests better.

SPEAKER_06 27:32

Well, I don't want to hear the dumb comments, I want to hear the good ones.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

By the way, guys, that's my favorite part of social media is the comments. Oh god. Um, well, for better or for worse.

SPEAKER_07 27:44

We did that uh we wanted to keep it very loose, very unscripted, very casual. And so we were like, well, there's like five million podcasts you can listen to if you want the scripted thing where we just lay out some questions and go through them. We don't want that. We want the we want the guest to come on here and feel casual and talk about whatever they want. We want the listener to feel like they're just kicking back, having uh listening to us converse. I've gotten some comments that like um absolutely people feel comfortable listening to this. Like they're just sitting there listening to a friend talking. That's what we want.

SPEAKER_06 28:29

I I I feel like it demystifies us too, because to some people we're just like a you know an internet presence and we've got these big followings, and it's like, well, is this person mortal like me? Not to say that like anyone idolizes us, but there are people I'm sure you both get very nice comments in your DMs from people that said, like, you know, thank you for sharing this, thank you for saying this. Like I I think this also serves to them as like, hey, we're just like you. Like, I talk about my struggles on here all the time. You know, I talk about the things that I went through on my journey to try to let people know, hey, it's I'm not perfect now nor then. And it's I I think that's kind of that.

Bullying, Religion Bios, And Hypocrisy

SPEAKER_07 29:08

That's just one of the uh the I've mentioned before that I love that we do is that we just keep in our fuck ups. It's like, hey, we fucked up, we do it, everybody does it. I've completely messed up an opening sequence before, and we were just like, screw it, keep it. Like it was right at the beginning. We could have easily reshot it, but it was like, no, I fucked up. Yeah, just who cares? Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 29:31

See, the funny thing about that is I think if I actually don't know if people would respect me more or less if they knew how much I edited my videos. And what I mean by that is like it's not like I'm not like changing the way I look. I'm not put I've never once put on a beauty filter. I mean, maybe by accident, but like okay, never intentionally put on a beauty filter. My videos don't have filters on them. All right. So I never color grade my videos. I never intentionally shoot with like, I mean, unless there's a blinding light, like that's really distracting. I don't even look for good lighting. Nothing. I mean, granted, I have pretty solid lighting in here, but that's just because it would be pitch black otherwise. So with that all that said, I do edit my videos in the sense that I I grew up with a stutter. Like, not a bad one, but I stutter a lot because call it ADHD. Or whatever. I'm trying to word vomit everything. I get really excited, and then I try to get all the words out of me half the time. And I repeated the same sentence 18 times today. No joke. The 18th take was the perfect one. It's always the last one. The 18th take of a sentence. And now it's like I've done this where I make videos a lot, and people are like, oh man, you're like the compliment I get that makes me so happy is like, man, you're so good with your words. And I go, ha ha, you have no idea how bad that is incorrect. You're so good with how incorrect that is. You think I'm good with my words? No, no, I'm good with my clicking and my fingers and cutting it and editing it together. Exactly. Um I am the same way.

SPEAKER_06 31:04

I've been doing this two and a half years, and I'm still not any more comfortable in front of a camera. I still stutter and freak out every time I try to record something. I've already I usually have a stutter, like it's something I've had to fight. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:16

Yeah. It's weird, eh? Is uh ooh, the A, the Canadian came out. Um it's weird though that but it is weird that like if it you put the phone, it's a lot less intimidating than a than a camera. And it's not that different, you know what I mean? It like if I put you know this up, it's like ooh, versus if I put this up, and it's kind of recording the same thing, you know what I mean? Like, but for some reason it's it does make it physically makes me sweat. That's a fun fact for anyone that I am literally drenched in sweat after every recording session, which is another reason why I batch produce content because then I'm sweating only twice in a week instead of every single day, but they still see me every single day. So there's a fun fact.

SPEAKER_06 32:01

Uh let's let's run a poll right here. Do we prefer Ed to be wet or not wet?

SPEAKER_03 32:06

If we get those in order to know where that's gonna go.

SPEAKER_06 32:08

What if we improve like the Nielsen rating on your videos?

SPEAKER_07 32:11

By you know, people prefer slightly more moist, nice, nice damp pit stains and uh some gray t-shirts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:21

Hey, I uh I'm wearing one that shows sweat pretty well here. Look, see, look, you see this? There we go. No joke. I mean, I was also walking. Take that with a grain of salt. But if anybody's watching this, they can see my Viore shirt, shout out Viore. Damn. They are uh showing some sweat. I I granted I was walking, but I would probably sweat just the same at some point during this podcast. It just would have taken a little bit longer to get there. The low blood sugar also helped. But uh, but yeah, that's that's something that maybe people didn't want to know that they now know about me. And what I will say, by the way, that I really appreciate you bringing um this to my attention when I asked about the comments, uh, Rob, the I don't remember what we talked about the last time I was on the podcast, but randomly somebody like people will come out and DM me and say things like, Man, I like I feel like I learned a lot about you in that podcast. And I go, that I guess it's crazy. I just go, Well, that's so weird, but how could you have learned anything about me? You know, like what did I talk about that's any different? I feel like you see me every day, but then you forget that people only see what you post. And even though I think I'm posting everything and I think I'm being as transparent as I can, and I think people know me perfectly. That the one compliment I got was only like two or three weeks ago, actually. They watched the podcast later and they said, I didn't like, I didn't see your humor being that way. And I go, how the how the fuck have you ever read my comment section? Like, like what?

SPEAKER_07 33:52

Okay, everybody, everybody watching this, go ahead to his comment section and just write Pittsdains at evidence.

Gym Culture, Lighting, And Enhancers

SPEAKER_03 33:59

Comment pit stains and I'll know exactly where this came from. Pit stains. On any video, whatever you're watching.

SPEAKER_06 34:06

I'm not particularly funny in my videos. I'm educated, I'm in education mode. I'm teaching, I'm sharing, I'm doing something uh emotional, you know. So when I get onto these podcasts and people find out that I have a sense of humor, they're uh well, I guess the ones who tell me that they're delighted are delighted. Maybe there are some that go, my heavens, and clutch their pearls and unfollow me.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

But yeah, I do get a few of those, and you get some unsavory comments from someone with a Bible quote, you know. It's like um look, it's not everyone with a Bible quote.

SPEAKER_07 34:39

Exactly why we keep it unscripted.

SPEAKER_03 34:41

Yeah, I was gonna say it's not every single one with a Bible quote, but somehow the cunty comments always do also have a Bible quote in the I ran a series earlier uh through the summer that I understood. Yes, bring it back, dude. That was fucking hilarious. That series was so good. I think I commented on every video. It was unreal. So you've seen it. Okay. Yeah, everybody wants me to do it again. For for those who haven't, please continue to explain it.

SPEAKER_06 35:09

How long will it take to find a bully in the comments with a Bible quote in their bio? It's uh I was basically I would find a person bullying, and then I would go to their profile, see if they had a Bible quote in their bio, and I'd see how long it would take me to find that person. It was always like 10 seconds.

SPEAKER_03 35:24

Yeah. And then I would read the quote, and it's yeah. It was always like top three comments. But sometimes it would throw you for a whirl, and you had to go through a couple profiles. It wasn't always immediate, but usually it was pretty fucking close.

SPEAKER_06 35:36

I've so I'll I'll give an in-moderation podcast exclusive. I've got like a second season of it I'm working on where I'm gonna change it up a little bit. I'm trying to figure out how to format it, but basically, I want to take quotes from people with Bible quotes in their bios and attribute those bad comments to Jesus. Like the people, especially right now with the snap benefits. Yeah, where it's uh the people who are are speaking up against snap benefits or people that are like, I'm a big fan of Jesus. Like, I want to take those comments and then put them under a picture of Jesus. And there are people that are gonna get immediately upset about that. Meanwhile, of course, they're willing to say that while they are representing the religion. And it's uh but by the way, to anybody here who's listening, I do not hate religion. I am a friend of Jesus myself, which I think shocks so.

SPEAKER_07 36:27

The teachings of Jesus, like when taking at face value, is great.

SPEAKER_03 36:32

Yeah, so I'd argue of most religions, if not all, I don't know all of them, I'm not familiar, but most of what I've learned. Uh I've taken a few world religions classes. Um yeah, I would say across the board, pretty good. And uh most folks would agree with it.

SPEAKER_07 36:49

Yeah. If you look at like the golden rule of most religions, it's do unto others as you would have them do to you.

SPEAKER_06 36:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:56

So it's it's always a critique of the person. Subvariation, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:00

I am critiquing the person who is using the religion incorrectly rather than the religion itself. And it luckily most people got that. And they were all the like I had a lot of Christians.

SPEAKER_03 37:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:11

Yeah, where they were like, thank you for doing we appreciate you pointing out the hypocrisy because these few people make us look really bad. So I'm I'm glad that it went over well.

Skill Building Analogy: Tennis To Gym

SPEAKER_03 37:19

Well, I mean, you know what I see this as? I see this as no different from uh to give you a gym example of like what Joey Swole does. You know, I see it the exact same way, it's just holding a different audience accountable. Different audience, but adjacent audience, right? Like because it's still somehow within fitness. It's usually uh someone who's trying to better themselves. And in some capacity, that's usually the video that you were I don't want to say going after, that you weren't going after, but that's usually kind of the style of video that you would have been watching, and then somebody was just trying to shoot them down just because they're not it was always for a stupid reason. It's like somebody who's slightly overweight, but maybe was like 300 pounds overweight beforehand and now is like a hundred pounds overweight, and they're judging them based on the classic in that moment judgment. And so, yeah, it it was kind of always a I mean a bad situation, but but those videos, it's like what Joey Swole does to gym bros. It's like you make everyone look bad by being rude to others in the gym. You make all bodybuilders look bad, you continue to perpetuate the idea. And I don't consider myself a bodybuilder, but I definitely want people to feel comfortable in the gym. So if I'm ever putting on a mean mug because I just ate shit or struggled through a set, you know, I try to like I know that I'm perpetuating a look, you know, or I know that a look it I know people see me as a certain way, right? And whether they see me as intimidating because I might be larger than them, or whether they see me as a little bitch because they're way bigger than me, whatever the the way they see me, I realize that other people see me differently than I see myself. So I think it is important to acknowledge that and just be like, look, everyone's at a different starting point. We cannot please everyone all the time, but just try to make whoever they are feel welcome. And that works about 90% of the time. Um, same idea goes here with these videos, like Mike's reacting to videos that are, in my opinion, 99% of the time someone just trying to better themselves. And then it's all these I'm not gonna say Christian, but we'll say faux religious folk um who claim they are walking, following their religious rule, whatever it may be. I'm sure it wasn't always Catholic or Christian or whatever, but um yeah, they the first one was down 240 pounds.

SPEAKER_06 39:41

Like I the first video that did really super well, I think there was like 8 million views on it. It's the person was talking about how they lost 200 pounds, 240 pounds, and you can see the difference from the before and the after, and everybody's like that's my weight, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 39:57

You lost that much. Insane.

SPEAKER_06 39:59

And then if you go to her profile, she you can see her face is totally different, her body's completely different. I had been following her for a while at that point, and I'd gotten to see the transformation, and it people just won't let it happen. But meanwhile, if she were to post a video and not talk about the weight loss, all the comments would be them saying, Well, you gotta lose weight. Like, my brother, she's doing it, she's doing it now. She's like it's what more I I've got a couple of them in the tank where there's somebody like actually physically in the gym doing the stair stepper. You can see the difference from the before and after. And these people are still like, you gotta do more. You gotta do more. She's there. She's just catching it.

SPEAKER_03 40:38

What do you attribute that? What do you attribute that to being? Like, what do you think? What is the reason? Sorry, I'm taking off my Splenda hat here. Uh shadow Splenda, also love that. Um, what do you attribute that to being? Like, what do you think the reason somebody leaves a hateful comment is? Because personally, and let me be honest, I've had many comments that I've left that have rubbed people the wrong way, for sure, but I've never in my life left a like spiteful or hateful comment. Ever. Even like I've written some whack stuff on Twitter and Facebook, you know, when it shows up on your memories, whatever, like as a teenager. But I'm still, even then, it's like, haha, me and this person are playing football. And it's like, okay, cool. Those, you know, back in the days of uh what do they call status updates on Facebook. Um you're like, cool, this is super cringe, but like whatever. But I've never left a hate comment. I I feel free if you find one of my hate comments to tag me in it. If I have left one, and my and I'm left.

SPEAKER_07 41:39

That sounds like a challenge. Hold on a second.

SPEAKER_03 41:40

Let's just well, thank you for bringing it up.

SPEAKER_06 41:43

Got this entire list here. Have a seat.

SPEAKER_03 41:45

Yeah, my my thing is I'm genuinely curious. I I don't know. Like, I think it's like an inferiority complex, to put it quickly, but I'm curious your guys' thoughts on why you think people do that.

Relatability, Honesty, And Editing

SPEAKER_07 41:57

Rob, you have any thoughts? It's it's hard to wrap my head around as also somebody that like I I don't see the purpose of putting hate out there like that. Um I try to be positive towards people. Uh if people come at me, I give it back to them equally. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No problems about that. Yeah. But but that's different. I'm talking like I see something that I absolutely hate, um, I'll just skip it. Like, there's no reason to even leave a comment.

SPEAKER_02 42:34

Because that's how algorithms work, also. Because you'll get that kind of content more and more and more.

SPEAKER_06 42:39

Yeah. I I am entrenched in this kind of content, of course, as somebody who lost 110 pounds and helps other people to do the same thing. And I've I've taken a slant against bullying um in in the past.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

Coaching links in bio, by the way. Coaching links in bio. Mike needs a plan. Coaching links in bio.

SPEAKER_06 42:57

Links and bio. I I promise you I do not have any supercars.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

I but but if you want to donate to my Movember campaign, uh$2 is all you need to do. Uh my beard uh is gone, but mustache is incoming, I swear to God. Um anyway, sorry.

SPEAKER_06 43:12

I can see it. I see this double. No, it's either you you're getting there.

SPEAKER_07 43:15

Anyways, you were saying you've got that uh 17-year-old trying to grow it out kind of look with the frosted tips, bullshit, yeah. Pete fuzz. Yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_06 43:24

In sync is looking for you. Anyway, yes, I so I was this I I've come up with a couple of reasons why it's happened. And every once in a while I will post a video asking people, in all sincerity, if you are someone who hates this person for their size or you feel the need to comment, why? What is compelling you to say something about this? Is it threatening to you? Do you feel as though if you don't say something, it's contagious, it'll come for you? Um, is it cultural? You did you just grow up hearing this? Um, do you have somebody that shamed you for this kind of thing? And it's no one's ever given me a straight answer. So they'll usually say, Well, bullying works, bro. Or they'll say that they just want to help or whatever, which is not true.

SPEAKER_03 44:09

That's the worst one. That I think that's the worst one. But um, I I've had the moment, early 20s. And look, look, I'm sure we all have the moment. We're not perfect, we're judgmental. People are in general are judgmental, they're always criticizing things for whatever reason. Um, and not like, you know, you're criticizing to learn something new or like, hey, I don't like that. I'm gonna learn from that. Like what for whatever reason, that's just how humans operate. Um, and for me, I don't get it twisted. Like, there's a lot of people that I'm like, oh, this guy seems like a dick. Um, and that is a criticism I'll have in my head, and maybe I'll share that with my close ones. And then I'll think about it. I'm like, am I saying that because I'm jealous of them? Like, I kind of had that thought process in my early 20s, I'll say. Is like, am I criticizing this guy because he's got a Lambo and I'm mad about it? Sometimes the answer straight up was yes, you know. You're like, damn, this guy or this guy looks like his life is less struggles. You know, this guy looks like because he scammed people out of their money, whatever, or because he's sold so many cookbooks that his life is so easy. You know, you're like, damn, maybe I'm the problem.

SPEAKER_07 45:15

Uh, and and then either way, I think I realized a hidden slight towards Greg Dusset.

SPEAKER_03 45:19

No, I buy my cookbook. Who who I don't know why you would think that.

SPEAKER_05 45:23

Buy my terchesterone.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

Uh yeah, well, I'll I'll have a not so hidden slight. How are you gonna sell terchesterone for years and come out and try to make a diss track against Jeff Nippard? That still blows my mind. The irony of this man making a living like that is you know, whatever. Make your living how you want to make your living, but like don't try to look like an try to be an angel, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 45:49

Uh speaking of fat shamers, you know, I I've seen nothing but fat shamers.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

I feel like Greg Du Set is a pretty good Yeah, I was gonna say I feel like Greg Du Set is a pretty good example of a fat shamer.

Movember Mission And Donations

SPEAKER_06 46:01

And the thing is, like, it if you're going to criticize someone, offer something that it like I I've seen, I don't want to mention names because I don't want to give them any more airtime than than they're already getting. But there are some accounts where it's not a coach, it's not somebody who's had a transformation, it's not even somebody in fitness. They are just getting on to talk about and stitching videos of people who are heavier and saying the most horrendous things about them. I I'll tell you the names of it afterward. Because there's this one guy who I'm like trying to figure out how to address because he's it's he's not in our fitness space. He doesn't offer anything, there's no like link, he's just doing it for the sport. And he's got like 600,000 followers, and I don't get it. He he's never offered advice, he's never offered a correction, he just gets on and he talks about how lazy and sloppy and shitty. How do you get like this? How does it happen? And he always in the comments will say, like, well, I just want them to improve. I want them to help. Or I want to help them. Okay, well, why have you never offered you there's not even a place for someone to come to you for help? Because you're not coaching.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

So what is this? I actually I actually witnessed something quite interesting, completely unrelated, but uh it it it it can relate here in a sec. Um I witnessed a completely unrelated conversation where somebody asked the most disarming question. It was in person, uh, not to me, I just witnessed the conversation. And he just said, How do you intend to do that? And the guy started going babbling through again. I'm not gonna get into this scenario, it's not really important, but he just said, How do you intend to do that? or how the question was literally just how. So that's my favorite is whenever I like see, oh, we're just trying to help. I'm just trying to help. Okay, how and if you can't even like works, bro. Well, right, and if that's the solution, it's like does it? How does it work? How does it work? What do they do?

SPEAKER_06 47:54

Because it's you know, these people did not go into the gym knowing what to do. I am only this size now because somebody took me under their wing when I was at my heaviest and taught me shit and listened to me. It's I didn't uh he was just a friend of mine, and it wasn't working with him for very long, but it that was the foundational knowledge I needed to start learning my own stuff. Otherwise, you fall into disinformation rabbit holes and uh hell, you just may not stick with it very long.

SPEAKER_07 48:22

And we even have science at this point showing that negativity is not helpful.

SPEAKER_03 48:28

No, and and how having a training partner is helpful, and how all of these different things, like we have so many sorry, I should say immediately helpful.

SPEAKER_07 48:38

One of the greatest things you can do to help somebody is train with them.

SPEAKER_06 48:42

Yeah. We are social creatures, that's our biological evolutionary advantage as a species. Our young are useless for the first 15 years of their lives. We have only dominated the planet for better or for worse because of our proclivity for teamwork. So it goes against every our biological imperative to be hating aga on each other when we're trying to improve. We need that community, we need people to help us.

Closing Bits, Fiber Challenge, CTA

SPEAKER_03 49:08

Yeah, I think for um, and you know, if if there's anyone that cares to hear what I have to say on this, it's no that I don't, I'm leaving. Yeah, see you guys later. Um the Mike actually leaves. Mike actually leaves. He's just he's like, I'll get my steps elsewhere. Fuck this. Like, I always bring up the example because it's pertinent to me. I grew up playing tennis. Um, if you guys have ever tried to play tennis, or if anybody listening has ever tried to play tennis, especially if you picked it up for the first time as an adult, I can guarantee with a 99% certainty, you suck ass. Plain and simple. I'm gonna say it like that. Absolute statement. You probably suck ass. Now, take that same energy and apply that to the gym on your first time, especially if you're someone who is overweight. Not even getting into the dynamic of like, do you fit? You know, do you fit in the equipment? Do you, you know, can you keep up? Can you even walk at the slowest speed? You know, like all of these things, like leave that out of it. Just remember, like, picking up a sport as an able-bodied, good, you know, maybe we'll call it normal weight or whatever the BMI is, your quote unquote normal BMI for your height. If you picked up a tennis racket, you would suck ass. Even if I gave you the best equipment, all of the best shit, and good court time, good balls, good whatever, you would be shit. Even by the end of the first day, a good lesson, you would still be shit. By the end of the first week, probably still shit. By the end of the first year, you might be able to rally and like maybe you get like a start on things, maybe you can hit the ball back and forth, which is awesome. But again, you're not uh Roger Federer type level or Novak Djokovic, whomever you actually know. Serena Williams, right? If you're more on that side of things, uh, you're never gonna be at that level. Never. And so there's this interesting, you know, thing within fitness, which is so strange to me because I've lived in professional tennis and and different levels of amateur tennis, where in a variety of different roles, where I see this and I'm like, okay, like people have this understanding, like, I will never go pro. You know, I'll never pick this up and go pro. Yet when you come into the gym and if you post something on social media, you should never like you better be Chris Bumstead. You know what I mean? And it's like there's only one of him. There's only one Roger Federer, there's only one Serena Williams. Like, this is the level, like Chris Bumstead is as successful as he is. He's quote, a legend. I still don't think Chris is what Roger Federer is in tennis. Chris is not what Tiger Woods is in golf. Chris is not what Serena Williams is in tennis, certainly. Um, he does not have that level of legend. I'll argue with that at length with anyone. What he's done is crazy for his sport. Yeah, for sure. A lot of people easy to digest, easy to understand, yeah, um, and relatable because anyone can anyone can lose weight, which I love it for that reason. And you know, that's not an argument I want to get into. I think that's awesome. But again, the point still stands. It's like for tennis, you come into it with this understanding of like, okay, I'm gonna suck. But for some reason, fitness is like, you what do you mean in the first week you haven't dropped those 300 pounds you were trying to lose? Like, yeah. What do you mean in unit? Yeah, what like that's a perfect example. Thank you. What do you mean you came into the gym and can't deadlift a house? Victim weight, like victim weight, yeah, victim weight. Oh, yeah, that stuff too. So that to me is like so funny because I'll always just say, sorry, I'll say something like, sorry, are you a pro tennis player? And no one will understand what I'm talking about, and then they'll go off on their own tangent. But that's kind of what I mean is like you'll never see in any include, right? Like whatever sport you play, basketball, football, whatever. Football's another great example. You throw a spiral on your first throw, probably not. Um, for an American football I was talking about, not uh not like a soccer ball. But insert sport here that requires any amount of soccer balls spirally. My sport was URL gifted. Your sport was chess? Yes. Still less. That has to be the most intimidating sport someone can tell me is their their like main sport.

SPEAKER_06 53:18

Oh, it's terrifying.

SPEAKER_07 53:20

Mike, and were you were you a grandmaster the first time you played chest?

SPEAKER_06 53:24

No, absolutely. Actually, the first game was fantastic, and then every game after that was it's victim weight. What do you mean you're not a grandmaster? What do you mean your pawn can't bench 300?

SPEAKER_03 53:34

Yeah, it's like wait, you're it's you're telling me your bishop can't move more than just in the diagonal, pussy.

SPEAKER_06 53:42

Yeah, that's called cheating, which is ultimately what some of these people who are complaining about victim weight are doing. They're cheating with drugs, and that's one of the reasons why everyone's perspective on what we should look like is so warped, including my own. I work here, I know that these people are on drugs, I know where they get their drugs. I could have a needle in my ass by the end of the week. I could I all I have to do is make a call to not. I'll contact you after this, by the way. I got you. Don't worry. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it. And it still fucks with me. I know that it's fake. I know that their insides are melting, and I know that statistically speaking, they're not gonna make it through their 50s. I'm still fucked up about it.

SPEAKER_03 54:21

Dude, I I'm on the back end, I know how much lighting can impact things. Like a good downlight, a good downlight with a light from the side. Dude, that changes everyone's physique. That makes you go from like, oh god, oh, I can kind of see your abs to like what? That literally makes you go. Trust me, I'm a great example. If you look at me head on, you're like, ah, you kind of look like you live weights, maybe a little bit. Then include a down light and a light from the side, all of a sudden they're like, damn, you're shredded, bro. Right?

SPEAKER_07 54:50

So it's like even that I turn off this light in front of me and just leave on the light in front of me or above me? Above. Huge difference. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:59

Yeah, this is the worst place to put me light. Sorry? I I need can you give me some of those lights that make me look big? Are you talking about downstairs or like in general big? Yeah, both. Okay, got I got you.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

Yeah, we can hook you up, Mike. Yeah, thank you. We'll we'll talk later. Great. Yeah, got it. In the show notes below. Check the show notes.

SPEAKER_06 55:19

Patreon content. Lighting Microsoft.

SPEAKER_03 55:22

And if you guys want the extended cut, you you gotta visit my Patreon.

SPEAKER_06 55:27

The the first ever Balsack bodybuilding competition.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 55:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:31

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 55:32

What's the penis head muscle that you could build?

SPEAKER_03 55:36

You know, as candidly, as a kid, I I used to think so. I used to genuinely think so. You know that moment you realize when you can flex it? That moment as a kid, when I realized I could flex it, I was like, damn, there's something here. Serpent.

SPEAKER_06 55:50

There's gotta be research on this. Just train to failure, hypertrophy training.

SPEAKER_03 55:55

I don't know, but now I will look for it. See, that's the thing, is like I can be, I'm so decent at like reading through and sifting through nutrition literature, but the moment I try to go something in like in some route that is not my own, in some lane that is not my own, I actually like am like a lost puppy. I have no idea what what am I gonna search? You know, and not only that, I don't want search history, you know. Like, don't I'm not trying to get OnlyFans popping up. I swear it's because of this search. No kidding, kidding. Um but yeah, no, I uh I did I did think that anyway. I'm gonna let this one fizzle away and we'll just conversation.

SPEAKER_06 56:31

No, we're waiting for the training plan, buddy.

SPEAKER_03 56:34

You gotta release that training 12-week eight yeah, eight to twelve week course on how to get jacked ball sacks.

SPEAKER_07 56:41

For anybody that doesn't realize it yet, no, the penis does not have muscle. You you cannot get a jacked penis. Speak for yourself, brother. But it would be cool.

SPEAKER_06 56:50

I'm going with Ed Sohovic's 12-week couch.

SPEAKER_03 56:53

You clearly haven't done the program, bro. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Damn. Sorry. And if you want to find the program, it's on grift.edin.com backslash penis.

SPEAKER_06 57:05

Speaking of, where can everybody find you on all the socials?

SPEAKER_03 57:09

So um all the socials, you can find me at evidence nutrition. Um, and then I also have a coaching platform uh where you can find me at evidence nutrition coaching.com, or you can find that in the link in my bio. And then also I am doing a a Movember campaign that I'm extremely passionate about. Um I want to make more content. And if anybody has any feedback and is watching this and wants to DM me feedback, they listened this far. First of all, one, I appreciate it. Um, but about how I can try to push the message a little bit more because social media is a little bit sensitive to using like terms like suicide. And um, and I really, you know, I really want to raise awareness about it. Uh, I've always been very passionate about it. I've been doing these Movember campaigns with varying degrees of success in different ways, right? Some in person, some whatever. So this year I have a$2,000 goal and I really want to crush it. I don't have uh a lot of good history with the Movember website. So it looks like it says that I've been a member for six years and I've only raised like a dog shit amount, which makes me feel really bad. But, anyways, if anybody can donate, that'd be great, or give me feedback on how I can spread awareness better using my platform. I would love to do that also. That's free. You don't have to donate for that. Or if you just follow, if you don't already follow me and you hit that follow button, I uh I will be donating a penny from every single follower that I gain during this month.

SPEAKER_06 58:38

So I know you kind of insinuated it there, but just to be clear, explain to people what Movember is and what it's about.

SPEAKER_03 58:45

Oh yeah. Um Movember, so thank you. So Movember is me shaving off. Normally I have a thick bushy beard, not quite like Rob, uh, but you know, some little Tyke's version. And so I shaved that off and shocked everyone. And the the shock value is to hopefully grow a mustache um to raise awareness about suicide prevention, or rather to raise awareness about the amount of suicide that occurs in a year. So hundreds of thousands of men are killing themselves every single year globally. Um, if it might be actually closer to the millions now. And so I just kind of want to help raise awareness and also hopefully some funds to provide them with resources to, you know, know that they're not alone, that there is a place for them. Um, I hope my parents aren't watching this because they tend to watch every podcast that I'm on, but um yeah, I I've thought about it many times, and that's all I'll say. So I'm glad I didn't. I've had many opportunities that were offered to me. So uh, and and I wouldn't have had them if I uh if I chose otherwise, let's put it that way. So yeah, so I've been very passionate about it and trying to turn people away from suicide. And so it'd be really great to hit my goal of 2000. Um, obviously, look, I can donate the 2000 and that's great, but it's a personal challenge to myself that I want to I figure if I can get enough to just yourself, you're not actually spreading awareness. Correct. That's thank you. Thank you. That's the the real overarching message here is like. I would much rather I get$2 donations from everyone and hit my goal. That would, to me, would be grand. That would be crazy because that think about the amount of people that have now listened to me talking about.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:31

Is that$2 Canadian or American?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

I think it's American. I'm not sure though.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:36

It could be Canadian.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:37

It's the Movember it's Movember.ca. Actually, it could be Canadian. I'll uh let's hold on. Hold on.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:43

I would want to say that's Canadian because it's probably a base of$1 American. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

Yeah, it's$2 Canadian.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:51

Let's get that goal. Let's do it. That'd be great.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:55

So we're currently we're currently at$350. Um so that's awesome.$350 out of$2,000. So if we could get that up, that would be awesome. And again, if you don't have it in the case.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:08

Six of our listeners, every one of you donate an American dollar. Yes. Or two Canadian dollars.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:14

That would be fantastic. Or two Canadian dollars. Yeah. And so um and and just put pit stains. That's how we know where you guys stay. There we go. Perfect. The description will be pit stains. Donate in the name of pit stains. That's right. Um, but yeah, that's that's something that uh I don't know. I I am quietly passionate about, right? Like I don't actively talk about it maybe enough. You know, that and diabetes, people tell me I don't talk about that enough. And I'm like, guys, I don't have enough time in the day. I work full time, I have people forget that I make content like in my spare time. Um, so I I obviously want to talk about it more. So if anybody has creative ideas, shoot them my way. I love it. Constructive feedback, I love it. Um, but yeah. And if anybody can't donate because they don't have the funds. That is absolutely fine. Just make sure you're following me. So, or get someone to follow me if you're already following me. Cool. Awesome. I'm gonna get my cat to follow you. Please. I mean, that's an added follower. I'm gonna unfollow you so I can re-follow you. Oh, perfect. Perfect. Fucking get your burner accounts and start following me.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:20

Well, I think that's um that's a good place to leave off, huh? I don't know. You tell me. You're still walking. Yeah, you feel like some cottage cheese or what? So I think now it's it's probably a good time to start recording. Perfect.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:32

All right. Well, at least now the pit stains are here, so we can we can work with it. By the way, I've had my uh chicken salad here waiting for me. It was a good practice podcast.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:43

Oh, well, then you should probably eat that. And we should probably say goodbye.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:47

Maybe.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:48

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:49

It's fine. This was well worth it. And now I can fill up the bowl with more chicken salad.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:54

So that's the real win here. We're all winning today.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:57

Especially on the end, though, we're all winning today.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:59

To end this off, though, donate to the Movember campaign.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:03

Absolutely, dude. You know, uh, if if you could do one of two things, that whichever one brings you the most value and joy and validity in life, hire Mike for coaching or donate to my page. That's it. Don't even don't don't don't come to me for coaching. Actually, you can also, but like don't, you know, I just want the two dollars. But don't. You can, but don't. Honestly, if you I'll ignore you now.

unknown 1:03:28

I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:28

I'm kidding. But I did have a question that I wanted your viewers to to answer. I know it's like very end of the episode, so people have probably clicked off by now. But if there is anyone left, yeah, the real fans. Um I'm curious, what is your favorite hack to get your fiber in? But specifically, specifically, not don't tell me some fucking carb tortilla bullshit. Don't tell me that. I want to know your favorite food-related, and obviously, sorry. Yeah, I'll I'll include, I'll allow the tortilla, but food-related way of getting your fiber in. But be creative.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:03

As opposed to uh suppository way to get your fiber in.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:06

Correct. Uh yes. Exactly. Um, a food-related way that is getting you the most different types of fiber. What's your hack? What do you got? I'd love to hear any suggestions. Not that I need any more, but it's it always, you know, you can always use some more. Who knows? People come up with really fun ideas.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:26

Get your fiber.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:27

I'm really hoping somebody writes in with the suppository way to get fiber in.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:33

And it's like a fucking fiber enema. Snorting lines of Metamusle one after the next. Dude, I can't breathe out of my own.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:40

You don't have an enema of your Metamusile? What the fuck?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:42

Metamusle enema, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:44

Oh yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:45

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SPEAKER_02 1:04:54

Use code ass to get that would be so good.