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סינמה שו״ת פרק 36: רחל אליצור – ממסכת פאה וליל כלולות אל יצירה מתוך העולם החרדי

Srugim | סרוגים Season 1 Episode 36

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רחל אליצור, במאית ויוצרת חרדית שחתומה על מסכת פאה וליל כלולות, מתארחת בפרק 36 של סינמה שו״ת לשיחה עם אבי לודמיר על הדרך הלא שגרתית אל עולם הקולנוע.
בשיחה אליצור חוזרת לילדות בלי חשיפה לקולנוע, אל הלימודים במעלה ואל הרגע שבו הבינה שהקול שלה נמצא דווקא בסיפורים מתוך העולם החרדי. דיברנו על תהליך העבודה הארוך על מסכת פאה ועל ליל כלולות, על הבחירה לעסוק בנושאים רגישים ואינטימיים, ועל התגובות הסוערות שהסרטים עוררו.
עוד דיברנו על המיזם חרדיות יוצרות קולנוע, על העבודה בוועדת הקולנוע של מפעל הפיס ועל הפרויקטים החדשים שבדרך.
שיחה על יצירה מתוך גבולות, על זהות ועל האומץ לספר סיפורים שלא תמיד נאמרים בקול.

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Kilasel you through the Madimatmo, at Mimi Fala Python.

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Yorvadat Kolno.

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Manilish Mala Tratinka Gamwata Tmaim, the Gamatim Tovish Bimaim Tovim.

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Kilo Da Khadit, Logadal Tibetum Television, Minastam, Aval Gamlo Marche, Velo Stratim, V Aurum Shelika Hameode, Genual Nubez Hamama, and Gamamash Provincialit, Vegadal Nueva Hikma Civilization. As Gadalti Bikar Sparim, Big Lajanikot Migilme, Otzair, Mamma's Gil Shmoon, Tesha Kvarithal, Bem Khbarotka, Ratili Otsoferit, Stomat Hashavati Shazaya Aticheli, V anizhocheli, leok colo, t kufata na ruot baguche l'hipasti misgerani, hola, lil mod, vele kabel kelim, yo termik to himtiva. Lektiva. Vektivani Tamid ktivami prinatiza tamidalam tsisipohim loikati davakazinikato commentari.

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Sratim ktsarimat Sratim Shel Male.

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Shara idiot as a saftasheli ayala televizia.

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Ah, tafatim Shena Shim Khadio. Agamlozi.

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And Sarah Thajona Raiti Shele Dina Perlisten, ni rali la lechtal kirchdax a out, but kufash is a ashkufiot. Kilua a voice, visual a an ayunifradim, ashkufyot of roof, sound kilo abanifrad. Lo um spataim los zazu, shelasarkaniot. Zula sertarishangerai, ve Vaza Khotiamali Boy Tri, veloko za Ali Kesheki Adatisha Sratim Alem lo Natati Lamarbe Kredit. Vazal artili rot, the kolosteret be karin yenoti, mikatavze, the ekwatbimenze. Vaska dwari mit chabou, ve vanti sheshit male, kilu dati sesh o chumbsefer baolan, the bhalo ki shanti de kolnoa. As nir shanti le male, le magamat stretta uch, the magamat ktiva, van ishoje barrayonam ruli tiri po lo kotwim si purim, vegamlo shirin, pokowim stratim, s kochia vetiazem, kilo emevakhime, sucje la vodotka e leva vodotli kana, lobera mabhalo vanti match. Kenze, kitame ishan swatzeira, ki lu kvarlo vaka net terbi glazel par nasa, wezeta mekireze. As ithalti, ithalti shambe met pam richona, aiti be kitame or revet, gwarim vene nashim, ve mise odekil ta strittaut, secet, be khomarim meo di shim, boharim pnimim, di bo, a tzon, mikshool, ve kilo, tchla vierbe chomarim michin, vela kriotam lifne coulam, velich moi, bharim shha nashim kilo da ku twim kilo kitsonim malivela o la motaele ve no stafle kol the colnoa fam. Klomashafti bekitashem de brimal stratim al klasiko, tvesh kovatz fiash el comin stratim, we molam l'haiti bacolnoa. Vebikla yedasheli bekolonoa u mama shain kola murtim sa twa kol sanate must. Ken badine bagishashani beperim kilo yesh yesh stratim shaani anim kilu kanele tsiach leagia elemati mode kto sratim ve kolkwa mistanek kilo kashiva, safutita zoti mistana khashiva vizualit kilo aktivna. Aktivasafru tit, me odden mishta pe beta strizem, mottam citi, we ti maroimasho mim. Az ali ka shek tatasote switch umarba kol no. Ani z acert mitsuyar, anilozo kherat metsuyar, um loyodad bidio mahashavdi let's me. Um, sat nim said, be ma comed, ichtov, col noa, tov kul noa, televisia, uh televisia la shulkhan, the gang col noa to milamdola, sim stratinko stratinha, but kala ba shelik sat nival kilo a ma mat orta societe bureka sweadama zenu gadale keletra dias we kirta stratim ale stratim pakoto ikir, oloikir kol noabemitavo. As extatel kitho balide as loyo that kama was sakba ba shelazoti the kamas e sicoto loidat.

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Kitamo revet him. Amongvarin shakmosamat vrim ma hipni me im shelahvatni shared ishani, shered Bamakomaz the mordma minabez kilumatus mipratam com shelma aala. Kiluma bala thought botam regain bonagit matul selecandman the shel time. Over chana risona. Ma ma barosla kilota dine bamakom shele shered ktivasha foto shakwato me zakulna.

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As animanaside kohibe toni kharedim kilulishloh merl sofot vze ma devanti, shani off muza. Shaani mi tasecad benosim sha kanirani stahet andzertats mi kolka bebe toha olama kharedish zeloma timli. Ken katapti tastrita lebi mait kharedit vze ukran, kaha besukot, hadma firtana shimat kataflen. Kilu tna lut veta vodash evvanti shanicha azot lobishvili. Veshani shanutzala vimashua kher, v shanskhala vin ma kola yhudisheli. As canach kola limudim, evanti shani vasi poim kherim, shem shonim, bizarimata o la mutha redim, call mina conflitim shem emshonim shela sha. Welatla evantis a shama kola yhudisheli. Likratz ofa limudim, kvaritralti taliha girushin, apeakvaritrila kakha si maneshela. Ratila sort seret al peot, kilo right z katawa bewine at al peot, we marty zashouba, documentari mele bahar, vevanti mazat dokwa z kilo, be met kilo, lo evantita janer, the odseret, the seretel berliner, a la shame, and kir, seret kaze, mt alachla kha peset kolan, a shims koron Berliner baulamber. Kola tionotele bima indo commentarium shemozime Rayo noza marty regga, the mama shonle serret. Kalash, on a peas, the heartishoni, kilo ka bayat, medidote, orek, colo dialogi mhattan, wa ima, tod issue kaze. Umazman uh, as anokha mutbaseret and khapesta dmuyot, whenag loy vanti mani osa, kilo echnikoshim dmuyot, mani me khapes. Ando da cha la vimele kayamim, kiloyom, and seretoved vel anutia. Aval azbezmanon kloom. Shumdawa nuda, tz dmut, we tzariche conflict, we vanigamat ezem in conflict. Lo evantita vali the attaktiv arishoni gia ayam me en erv kaze shelem mezamli kharedim, shelakara kadashale kol nove televisia, shhezam tha chani, kilumine wokazan khocha alahtim od student kharedi ayashana me thtai be male, ba khusiiva, the audio ter Mimeni, Nihali Shiaoto Noa, vale Alachnu kazebehat, Vazani Rasha met grove vice, fooks, Bekomin Khadim, Totam Twaakim, Vitwa Kim, we kivim, wezebe elem Long Lom Kira Klum, Lord that Maza Davazasia, well vina man soakim. I amani kamo one vina zaklapem shem Loti a shookwar elef pami, mam shikim kadima uhot groweisikha mission ni hellet z martilo yeshling a seret al peot, a valzale kalash, when it's ratha kesef. As a Albadmuteh, kilohasi it shavdi, the katavdi, the Americash, and marta shelly elet, Bahara Maxima, she Pashooti Kola Thalashella Kariera Shelly, uh Shvaiti, the Katavnu synopsis A roh is hot, she shamu dim kaha. Vegas no zala karen and if her nihalio za ya, gashot physio tkail, mama, shal khula karen, ve fkidu, ve. Kil sotayali halom, lichtov, lit maktea, sotra team, bikara lila fim. Ken. Okay. Kilzama mashbasov kaza, bikala lilatim, bikikastima lila teamad, itkashulia ma ken v Amuli la vola presentatia. Andragashi vai te bulbele, lo evanti ki lookahma zeb veloit konanti kloom kilo ayom kana ayom presentatia and it konen twe Vigati kayanaswa ima pea, yes vus viva shulhane and shha keren amadhimimet, velet sidam kobia rieli, shukani kamuvan ka reedia mahmachia sbir vita veh ve gasher.

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Okay.

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Kenisula vina kh peya of vetet we mama shretila mkilo ima seret az karatilazeret kilo gil gulim khasusha kilo nim loma sh vino with the um retila mekze ofvet vere zenira vdihochelko be ria li ratova elektor kaze mr kelo elektor umela mwisha meza, woeta tsarat ka vancheli shani omeret var shavani it garage tiven bhakro salo ridata pea kill ashura kazoti alat'mi sera. Laura e tita tsmi Betoha seretama tslema um because it's it's perbers it's ilma uh kafaliot gamafika uh when gashi on fixar outside of Bahati Baki Hlatatisha any Kil Rutzatsevetna Shikazi, um Khataphirotovot Shacity Bachahim Um the Vasity Whatabits Ramotrika, Kilo and Shatim Khavera, Vila Kartis Tanya Rod, Katafti Tashima Fikim Kaka Bukhimfikaim, okay? Kaka, Bayad, Eramti, Via Tzavigail, Vamati Zemishamaim. Kilubemet, Doko, Lamadeti mi Messiam, Mila Sotze, Befall, Shlavak, Ya Merlishi Vhashi Bemet Nalit Kola, Makomit Pateh, Vel Yod Bimait, Bishoot Smi. As Khasi Tri Sertash, Karle Yes, when his name is Nechhozim, Ehat Shel Yes, Ladoko, Vekad Saratalilati Katsar, Shel Karen Gesher. Vaniti be panika, be panica, Karengesheratli Mayel Shekel, the Sertalilati Katsar, Ves Doko Zekvarakilu, Akwa Terbetali, that many osa. Lakahlikamaya mime lachlichani peshute lamaim, as be makbil, a city gam ta sertalilatiakatsa rishon shellish and talembi rushalaim. Biglash, loa matiba maslula male sh, mechayev.

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Gam e pitom lageshet le third documentari levaymo to pitom gamlageshet le lati. Katsashwa lila tivam leveemoto az. Mele it kadamtiamakomade sa foot, vula lihtov litunim kharidim, pitom beemet le third dokoshato size documentari a la alaikmudata peav, pitom beemet levayem gam alilatih echovakol na siha po the konirasha kol toh kamya mima kakah.

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Shani sulle fath ka feature, ve az emlotzlihula tetle kulaamazemzminu tile othama ma shel stratim katsarim, azkamuvanlo, ki watznu ta sereta uhlich de serret katsar e la baninu serete olam khadash kazeh ubenegio chela shela feature. Michelivtaut eita abimait vdibilu, ve Yazralim odi ma sereta katsar, abal shaloshani, lakah ache be met yazanu be la fakab. B eze shalav kwara iti gamli madeti, gamba seminar kharedi, ve gamin khoshevch kvarit khalti be Bashluha kharedi. Sluha kharit niftihab Balpime Khameshesre, ve aseret yetzabalpamish monastri, tumarichalpamish monasrik shia tza seret alilati be cinemateki rusha laim, evanti shani ani lortsa rak la sotim, ani rutsagam le la votyot srot. Sto merat la zorle yot sotla sotratim ve velazorlain, lit kadem shham. Anibat'mate ithaw de kelim ve ve ezralit kadem, vetamitza kzra. Kil Sratim losim levad, uh, veta media shia uutsmiktoi, be kol seret, be kol project, umalazevandi vasbemete kam titha radiot yot sot kol noa, sh uh meizam mamash maxim vezba meizama the betem. As Negida sinu asinu kolmine pailuyot, Aval a piluta akata ma shmoutyot itabeshi tufim Karen mandel, kereni rushalam, shha sinu bates m abamif gashim, me odmashmotiim shele yotzrot kolnoave mitany not him akranot vegufashi do. Mamash arbamif gashim, honor massivim, intensivim, vyam madhim amif gash ben and shakranot vagufim, uh leven kahal, sheshlo be malagidla, yotsota le mala gid, echem kosvod, echem rote tatvari.

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Sota kale baby karmiele da tortela firtanashim?

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Lo, lo, lo, pihlalo, uhamkaele, shotle toha mikzar, veskaleshotte litor gamachutzaval, ima mikbalochelem, ima safashelaem, ve aulam shelaen, azesh arbei nian bachutz, aval yeshgama kleshim, ki are bepeamim lomshane ba televizia u bakolnoa zelotami lebekane khadi mehshhe yotseret rozal saperta si purchela, o la vita dmuyo twa o amikbalot, wafilu kilo toda, li fame nkabele telephone me yotzeret vomatli anot ma sort kilu amefika tavli be shabat. Vaz imitkavzet, vi lodateh kilu ken la not, lola not, ekla gidba din nut, l'orechtta street, olem the korean mon kilo shell a parima ele, shell echlit muded, mzehani uzalit o khuta, ni utsala vitaolam sheli, aval yesh ezhem mhsomim shemakshima lainu, the rekud meon nodadin.

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If I mezame o medayum.

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Azam shenu kutsa me od paila ba Facebook, uh Facebook ba Whatsapp. Kwutsa m od paila ba WhatsApp. Shesha maarbemo odmiha v the kharediot, Yesha ma gamda teshma sa nenulasham kamahiloni ota saakraniot Yasham Colmina Khari Diot, and you on mish tad me comot politim, lifamim gumanin kutni s hefet um Yashamadiun nimanini vez radadit. Yesan gum kailashrot yuter um le parnasa kilo sratim kale. Call me, Ken. Umbema, I you levity arbemo the student kilo abad I did, we gama de sham Ya Tami sa Mrs.

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Mita Kuna.

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Yesama Yasham Betah Beshawima Dimimani Hospitz and Mishtabeh Mishanal Shana. Mrs.

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Makarim Timslasik Vari Yat Time There's the Poet.

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Arab Susratim Karim.

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Maybe Kadem, Eretlam Kilukomina Kumregelemara?

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Accords, Avne Derech Kilu. Lonotin Khabebunka et KSF, the Zavne Derecht, Klatzetlitzilum, tzhe la roch, la rote la rothomarim, iman zaknachwanasinwzeshloshar, bat trailerim ache bichalki bal no afakan, dmuyota luvierdu, but yemetilumarishon pseudzuhotmi Mekia, Vebesof Yom Tilum Pashut Mekia, Merove Metach ve Kilushel Lochale Hol velo Kharadochel Mamash Kilu. Lakahya Monsmanavin Lamaniusadmi Vegamish Pahasheli kilu Kosha Komamishpahni Rod Baseret. Zeukzatmizef Charlie Rot, but Khalabashli Lotzav, Imushli Dafka Banyan, Akakakal Baseret, Imushli Nasoga Ve Iditz Khalavot Alihmeod Kashai Takshavne and Nishimsha Anibat Swinki Luptu Kwashani Rotzaved Mayom Shazi ve Khule Gano and Hoshevati Mzemash Otgele, Mesh Otzilum Shazamon. Ken, Khamishimish Time the Kot Zayata Taliha Zhotaz in Istio Not Kazelak, Gdilta Serevanik Dafkaratilish Moro to Telkatan, Phenatize Kwara Gadol Zami Fletzat, Dimianti Davarkaze Seret Kazai Madim Zekilo with Kabele Dokaviv Loya Dati Hammaze Dokaviv. Loya Dati Klum ve Avigala etamot Khahama, l'Ork Kola de H itam Fikashi e Gisha Bliss a Perlishim Gisha, kada she imlonit kabel oni tihzev, zagambe tekis Pirsea Forum, Kilukha Pitomi od Kabalnu. Kilwalinul Shava Khamishia. As the Karin Leafkin Sega, Vam Rali T Kabal, Twee Zaamer Gesh, and it's a very good. Mama Shraiti, yoter mainstream, your ter Hasiduyot, your terror. But say Malhimli Rot Beoven Kazash is the low loya peel a la sound the keni tenis the rovid no saf. So much as Yemen Pusat Lechimrah Velo Mimrahim Zakhon Wamonsman, Sevet Hashiva, Gama Vigail, Gamno it gave a serial shavnu, ve shalava kreshala, vazifizigam mshahnutilum, noara siti le fare tekes a katuna, ki iluare a teket shalhatuna khadit u mood ikvi u dome bekol katuna. Peshutit khadikam is takarim atzadnagit poundishona, raiti makore michutsa kedarihud. As lodati makore, pa un raiti dim. Kilodati bihl machorea deletimse. As rayti shesh dimutzahede Call mina anekdo na Pitom Mirulia Kheraj is the Kaltiale mima batahe. Kilu Helek Homer, Khali Kilamnu Azhazarnu la Khedera. Kilo Notarez foot go alkaze. Zebiduka Peruk shella Shelatekes, Kilua Chanota ele. Atarueta halota gdolota ele a la shu a la mizrah, nahwan kilo alan shulhanota mechubadim veze ve ve animata nuta anunza li ote zeh, shha mayote kilumili kloa zedimui mon mot khazak, shela khalazo, chta halota le sh nihzotla tanour ve a geonuchel noita alhaberbena vizua levena sound, levena sipur, kielwahmi yet trim ta eta para ze shenoten mey madrik xi no saf. Okay, atve meteana lilati sham, anlotwa bid yuk bases, avalgam mi tohha vanna shella shella ariha vemasha asinu becem asinu auditionim le saqkanim dokumentari ken. Kilut mahuraakla him shella auditionimera che ahakakak shekhlatnu mia tan vemia kalaza mela eket amralit khasot mech. Kilulirot kimiya benveze. We khashabti azekzat, wa marthi loni rali s nchhon la sereta zeki ki ki loli famimi yesh khimi aben bnezug kharedim aval kilo anni ratila yet sereta mevhuha ve ta eta bilbool, veta zeaza martila lotsakhmech, kilushia vole onti lumim vehla la tochad varat smo. V aza be met yatzarta mevuchhazoti bench nem sha regasha kanjorta skilik korimlach, kilo zusuel kilo futala gat, we follow u be met na vochhaat gamarata mohak lain kilo sale abbi moi sela. Gamanin nevuha.

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Ken kiloyemet zesat marat kolegame game methukunta therich kulame nevuchim kutma vigarsi machikata matlema both me or nevuimkulam timbaheder venevochim vemasakore be mette uhuhado chela chela giaa baita topitom gave magia mi sha, colehad loma kirta o lama thefekalo deamaseni josevehasani, joveo masa be metin tafkim bater, ma madrihama richamra. Bemetmanien, a theta they attavishant sim time nah. E didgovot gival.

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Alifia datil colo derech shanim teseketimtapuaha damait ve hadeti me odme odme od diner gastisha zan se shani hayevet lasokbo. Evanti gam shanim vya narrative shellin sh u kashuach, ki u traumati. The kibalti kibalti are bella wash uhti bikorote kashot.

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Venha to lam duba.

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I you khagedim shakasu alai, I you kilo nimsha kasualay. Kibaldi amont govot to vot, stomeret kibalt email madim gum si partiam, shazarla embishlombaitve. Stomeret. Vegamke askuba no seazeve Madrichehatani, madrihot kalote Iruze, kiludvarimish tanu, dvarim dvarimishtanim letova. Vyholech u tzari kot ulighty pike dimens mano, aval eholochia yomvu u mama sha dvarimi u tertowim. Kvarakilu, yesh. Kibalt it go vote madri khatani, madri kot kalot kilo, yesh batlam tiki tali tekela vin ma madri kaumeru mani lemi.

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Lon sa pangha madri komerma su da ula madri kahomer tefikhoshab se davarahi kritik kilwa shoni vega mahikal kilo.

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Bena madrihla madriha specifit Yesha dayo. Lazug, ledati loh, ledati adain law and lo kwahme vinalama, lo lo dat ma kwahmesu bakhwelasot pashut siha e holach benikrimul misuya mim as kenyash ashi tikshore, tavalo, lokemash, and mashutriot mast. Bene madriha madriha.

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Bemet misha third of the nigmar, adayom masid barbashani mahonot. I think wow.

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As codem call kvarle mohora serete yatsa ithal shoval many watchareta abaya kimat adhav, I callka harbea vodai ma serataza k ukilonigmar, unim karle la BBC, uhir sam swemet, we nim karle arte, we nim carle la New York Times, bigersame kutserets, tamachik collas man shakhmula vodala girsa, ve any rotasho, the show, vesho, vesho.

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Ah, as karadine me the bruma serret vesala ve.

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Low ki Mamasha la December by New York Times, girsa k sara. As a patakia lim khadeshim, you poet, a ro litra kh and glit ba read. Uh the odd lack of gim shell. Kilo modern orthodox as Ameritech. Uh odd projecting, and Nicolasman kilo kama projecting by makabile.

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A third documentari, ma'cause documentaries that are.

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Kibalum pitua, uh, takir me odme odamok. Asemregosha Mshalel Klotis Tayam betem ani betochat tahkirzewamo chilate lumi mamash, mamash bekarov, clomarish kwarita location. Sara documentari al chazonish, or you turn a hong lagida le mashala galot. Ayaya, I khazidiam. Ayudim a dukim, ayudima hofim, hilonimhyot can be ahatbaritzazu. As Ben Gurion at Mashalagalot. She said uh Galah Amelaa, Vagala Rika, Al Gesher Tsar, Vagala Rikat, Khalifa Not Makom la Gala Amelea. Then Heshmiya Gala Melea V Mia Gala Rika. Bihlal, the Gamal Hebra Khadit, Modaspan, the Gamalot Kamma poet my own. As Mamas Lahona, she's a lame Mamashanim, I guess.

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Okay, the Bemet Madima Kamuta Fakota Martha third, the Bemetham shik, Ito the Velefateah, There Kata, Amona Mont Varim Kenete Madima Velho Bene Ether, Shlagamta Vodaslach, Bemifala Python, Amorit Pot B Amona Mont Fatim Velha Litim and Kablu, Keth Olo.

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Alefanomahlita Alevad, Yashama Vadat Kolnoa, M Khavarim Ode, Mukh Sharim Verewim, Yesh Benosaflezegam Ywa Tim Khitsonim, Kmo Lektorim, Tsofim, V, Not Nimet Havota Data Chela Em as the Manakmukaz Sevechana Sratim. Yeshbeemet Bonagiche be Shana and Koret Vetsofa be Zora mechanishim stratim. Gamma Lilati, gam documentary, gam animatia, gam stratim shemta stratim can yesha be me odhnubetem notim bemotes, anakhnutnim post production, kwarmegia shlav mit kadem, we shrafkat the rafkatematim, kaselitz podbela vine. Yes ratim your territorium yeshrafkatim me odmo daru kim, shekilush, odloit ka blu shama, tote are ham shot. Yesh call me a shlavim, yes or de yeshkales, and shambederkalem mix, the online, nahon. Animageshani Lomedet Miza Monimodo Basratim, Anilomedet Arbe Malo, Malo Ved, Malo Lasot, Ma ve Gamarbe Maken, Stomatia. Yes, gumarbei angel tam, Stomat. Yesratim sh Anilo Avti, ve Kola Khrima Vu, Vem Nitmehu, Vem Tsley Hov, Vhule, Veshgama Fuch, Stratim She me on Mod Avti, Avaloki Blue Tarov, A Khakakama Filuz Zahub Ramashekilo, Lamalita Kashti Kilo.

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Mami Fala Pai Matia, Manak postproduction vemaod?

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Manak postproduction Sratima Lila Team Gamat Maim ve Documentari Osdarot. Documentariot ve Manakless Sirte animatia k zarim.

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Wow, Natumula Hashra.

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