סינמה שו״ת פרק 41: אדם סנדרסון – בין זוהי סדום ללוויה בצהריים והחיפוש אחרי קולנוע

אדם סנדרסון, במאי ותסריטאי שחתום על זוהי סדום, לוויה בצהריים, בתולות ונוטוק, מתארח בפרק ה 41 של סינמה שו״ת לשיחה עם אבי לודמיר על הדרך הלא שגרתית שלו אל עולם הקולנוע ועל הניסיון למצוא קולנוע בתוך כל ז׳אנר אפשרי.
סנדרסון חוזר לילדות בירושלים ולרגע שבו צפה לראשונה בשודדי התיבה האבודה של סטיבן ספילברג, רגע שהדליק אצלו את הרצון לעשות סרטים. הוא מספר על השנים שבהן צילם סרטים עם חברים בגינה, על עבודה בפרומואים, עריכה ומערכונים לארץ נהדרת, ועל הדרך שבה הפך לבמאי בלי ללמוד קולנוע באופן מסודר.
דיברנו על זוהי סדום, ההפקה הענקית שצולמה בבולגריה עם כל קאסט ארץ נהדרת, ועל העבודה עם מולי שגב ואבי נשר. במקביל חזרנו גם ללוויה בצהריים, הסרט האישי והשקט שנולד מתוך ספר של ישעיהו קורן, ועל הפער העצום בין שני הסרטים שנעשו כמעט באותו זמן.
בשיחה הוא מדבר גם על העבודה רבת השנים עם שחר מגן על בתולות, על החיבור בין ריאליזם לפנטזיה, ועל נוטוק, סדרה דוברת ערבית שעליה עבד בתוך החברה הדרוזית למרות שלא דיבר את השפה. דיברנו על בימוי מתוך תחושה, על מוזיקה וקצב בתוך סצנה, ועל הרצון להישאר תמיד במקום הראשוני והלא בטוח של היצירה.
שיחה על קולנוע כאינסטינקט, על במאי שמסרב לבחור רק כיוון אחד, ועל החיפוש המתמשך אחרי הרגע שבו משהו הופך באמת לקולנוע.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Okay, and that was it. Anisana Risha Thnitiela Dim, Tchmit Kitzkaz, Michel and Kibaltisham kaza gig, Bamait Salamorek, Shelpina, Matsika, Mothavarim, we shouldn't have a good thing. So it's a midigia voda.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Okay, that I'm Kabelbett Kolota Richon Hotel, but Lifnetzal, Odlifnitsava.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

Okay, Zalifna, Evidin Vamashavim, I know if you're a little bit of a m shtekalatot, the mini guling the limkele shot, my shot, cause the men, a defov, analogi uh film, today. As Lamadetila roch becoming a kale bate postanim, uh to the rachtigam katunot, the kruzim, the the you name it, ki lutti bez, as gam shamatilavin arecha, batsavaiti orich, the the khze khaveritrila vodbe machlekit pomo kilub yes so mashu, the we view tilavocha, metati l'h pomo in the misham gotil keshet, mulisegev, it's not only uh job, the job shall yet mean bamaya bite shall beep in some kita roots. Okay. Um, okay. Therese ba batush to share me phina tavodav, shame's gravy amin kaza kilo kibat a job, kibatiot bamai, bamai bite kaza shizot pam, uh min kilkasili shahat kaze kilo, bamai zalamoreh, the malekata vodmatri kot malana shimatrikim, um umzakef. Um is minute uhola sort of zoy'dome, kwi kiirata v dochi liba promoim, uhomo in the cool angam lork le cashet.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Kilo matial kha la volevaim the theret zoizdome? Ken. Alfmach neto bimuye pomo in bleshabte the fair to the thidra, like modgadolin taksiv modgavavote vem?

SPEAKER_02 7:35

Uh uh mulliu kaze the uh ubenadam shiken or uh uikiroti bekamashlavim, so mat ugami kirotik moshamati ba babip sham, kiti uh uh uh ba maya cutovot bite, the gamu kiroti ba promoim um the gamu ikirotika city gum k sat machonim lairet. So, mayta vodas khaberet nere.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Ken. Okay, t kwa biamta machonim la retne dere. Ken. Ken. Okay. Vaz uu pesu tis minute uh umamaha na klohkim la fotaretma ima kaft sele tere boteva?

SPEAKER_02 8:34

Ken uamalian is koshu amalian, hozima sot mashu kmo kmo flintstones rak tanahi. Later's dom kaze mashu kaze kmo me telaviv nasnullah shabba makbil, aketa washani anigwa alit le verbat so rim tru. Zabish vilegam odmo the kitsoni gam. Kitsoni kitsoni le gamre, um ki ani lodem sati meter shoni le verbat orha is domas.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Kivem mod kitonila tada ve, mod kitoni la tada mamash.

SPEAKER_02 9:26

Mamash. Vayali aabita ayalita to dayabita tsomedrachimazo kilulana niolekhoshav uh kieshli sera cheny rozela sort ve mashu miuchad, kirulasot zoizdom ve ni koshevche lore khasha nim biglal shani any lochhoshev shani kuluan khamu sever. Msofoshadav, ki can ani kenogab comedia mon amon uh Bahhaim sheli, bamondvarim as tadaz ani lohani lotarkovsky, can, any bati vani todan you wow, okay z uhlitabel low more ni ani bamisham, so as Ali Ali Ali Ali to nim la sort of the bad, but uh three tatma taoleki. As Aita monomonamonovoda ala Tasrit, Ravanu Malia Lav, Bel Sushlavga Avi Nesha Nichnasatmuna, Vuaya Nya Masnika Aura Khaizriklauditare Mivniut Nirchev, um asaf Shamar Bedvarim who Zedai kilo uh Masha Shigerta Tastritem ki Matzriku Tamidaya Tasrit aval avalimash seret a kakhar bezmanchree as Zenik Shav Mashana Taneta Hotemet. Ifhatemita fair today. The Sarat Sulam, Kwadukalaya Akata Sibochi Murano Aita Kev ba Belat Silwim kizlo dana Salemoto, Kuloya T kufati, Ila nu cominou machavuchelit samedli callmine arisot baaritz todab me. Aramato vanimadlepo, and kabemet uh long shot. Um be met a klochl we've noted the mitlaim shall at a mkanim baret, asalemoto, the ash dudi zilber the vhagav, uh dudi ha benchelo. Ah, it's ayab Bulgaria, baulpanim uh nuboyana, and dudi takshivama sexual romantica. Aval wala zaya mashu letzalamito, kilo vaz dudy mabonatus the rot, tas nukulano, we'nachometelim, then call me to the kolosemim bnuim v simta oots atikot the butapitomer okay, siret. Yesalemitze betem na taneta betem nataneta push, the fohademashik, is any ratasho built night.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Nachon. Besoffabimuiz the od yeled. Nahan, nahan. Gam beze the kit fun emo, defasha tusasham. Bezoy's doma boviva. Bezoy's dom.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Bezoy's dom call letselem bekul, yes bizatamidiza itaron shel mashuha gigaba veh. Call ktatahir. The versu atamargish, koldavaru kta mi uhad, the zamasifhez energia la la la talik. Katamagish to se mashuri shonikaza, as a kodakol atakvarbez an energia kher. Zadavarze. Lagale setma mona nashim, the litmu de shkolot kvedot. Umtio trioti out of the. Um, installato.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Okay, musak.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

Any musagmaumer shav, any musag m me fumots, any musag manizaklasov shilazolo, chamanin hat's mod. As the new mur today, bimuizet todaz at the Vashini Wevlasot Migimod Katanas the Abisdo. Okay, Lukakhanimala at me, Holmikra. The Abisedo, Abisedar, I'm a deam, yeah. Hada Gdulot shall mulish unura, unuramekir, unamekir et koach, shall call call circand eret, maf Charlotti Mimeno. Ech Charlotti menu kakashe Ani Tuv, shall todam energy, a comit, sham the lokomotodala trinmash miklum, the todalachavla vin, me tovle maveka, it's refle kevsho ved the modazar. The meta, ma com shani cosmanni havla gichi ki matamidani ni gashlaf zanimer, echani me vi kolnoa, lemachinose. Echanim vi kolnoa lemash nisse. Imanilon vi kolnoisahoti. The Vadavaraz, maze kolnoa, the shelahi khigdola, ki lum mazabetz, maze davazze, ma echega magishkolnoyote, echega magishkolnoi pochod, shelata shalot. The at a dakshata magishoto, or at a dashata weoto, okay z rega kolnoi. Lolo kehata milim the often vizuali, as animagisha nichhatima simasheri. A nitrich anitzerik la tete to dava no sapaza. So that sita sagwa milim, maladaf. Khavani khav, then a erze. Umigashilavani, animchapesta dvaraza, the come ofanship, bezoy's domain. Yeah, Bema comli colo no, the shav gamal, my sote tanach, I to the hazatil comm in a CL B de mil, the colme colas sirte tanacha, the technicol, but svaima shel, Hollywood shanan, wafdi,fkaleketla, lechistoel, a la tanahpa. There's the mode mode of villa, gumba shooting, the gamba virave, the uh the colours many citi shamo more gum yetamit kulno shot. Um rak rak bemakom shall uh dihab dihab dehab diha. Kilov shabbeza or the tnufa.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

Ferret be metabikal phichilamota kulna, fedemethem la thougene? I mecho. I mecho.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

Lo, lo, meulam and y shaveret in the khavakasha, ki kyakolnoa bih villa mbemet, quadwol masar better rach memashame gilimelov, um to shov zesidrashekilu yeshla bait, me odmo t khazak, shhez keshet, vi ver memunat, ve mufeket vi dwa, the bitomi tzala patka, bezor, bezorakonoa, bezorakunoa israeli, shez todaz uhtihate yarsh taloreta katseshelo, tzaliksha zakaka monz malasot, kiva triatsa ani lokoshef anilochhoshefokishevima todayima ima shona biologicil muli, or shall uhrim berets uh could vim them lodem sham. Uli todavil.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

Yet you kata olech eleven?

SPEAKER_02 19:28

Ani lodher, anilode, today search search borega, today fn dvarim shha. Ah, biduk nif nif right as a pama haci nifgashti uh lifnel verbat soraim ni kofechnial im uhlivier pere kurimlo ou uh roharno uh festival festivalocarno the agavni skati maradotifne tofnachze festivalocarno vasu chaloti ma ma ma ma city ma resumesh the city comedia lait when uh seret katan seret ishi was umografia fucha man yen it's a mashu. Uh the of the fochbiket so uh as so that the shoe and he and the loda like the nekuda um kodem k shirushacht kavua baboon apropose kilo yatim ve shoot atim tvarim atematim tzarim legamwe zaya karabet kufata tsava tatsmenu kulanu siamu ironi alef megamatkol noah the alan lamšika satim misgeret asam misgeratzmenu the kolkadano sinukama satimcsar, the kranu tam behaad Osef Baboon, Sirte Baboon, or Baboon Bhakatsot, Amadima, Takhabia Khavadka Shall Community Sinefilm Kale Bahim bei Bekatsot, Lirote Sidrat Satim, and the berim on a shim shame today, the berry of Satim, the Velaber, the Litamod Mafre.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Okay, I said I'm the matter of the vote.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Ali and Alefko, you should Raymond Carver, cause the kiloa be milim, and kilo and shumdvar like shoot. Masha katuv z Otsakfani Vemica Malevire. As moda afti the time the version is the serimitu fifties the it's a commune dvarim commune, to dakum sh patim shwamali, uh gave a lomer le shani vota. Okay? Fiftieshot. They kilo evanti evantiamon de khasihotito as gvarat itpatah dialogue to the colour. Khaltavito gamtafita, lichtovede? Can the partnerim, and partner, the call to strike a katafti a khali gambre. Kilo tamedi trahakti no partner, trahakti ma partner shinimakom, the sofrazati d'accord. Because the zayat has intuitive, the Navami Mizere Isti and the factory, but draft a million, but it's a very good thing. As man ou the shuv, so, associative, tkalutashia. As as aitit as ken aiti a vad, colo vira shabo. Aval Aval Ken, Ken machine out is uh lil cod ta virache shekarati jam.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Okay, shatafrit yam tatafrit, bonagidish kasha ta' manavin zoizdomatam sami if doy it zoizdomatomatrinim verbad's.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

Okay. The uliba um is a regamot kashesh bay um uh zoystom vele verbots dom and shakheret lever keren? Kibelkirbasovken. Achar gamar khair bezman. Okay. As as b as as Mashikara, but kufata post shall zoystome, I'll post the Bulgaria.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

Okay, Bemetu Theta Govata, Edit Guvotum Kabelala. U Saret Me Odmo Di Chotomi, U Sere Bekhefa, Vikenala.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

Uzahabhefa, Uza Khabe B the Festival Se Valchinka Montplier, Bitrafat, the Bahod Festival Bekafrisin the U Sarataval Shim Odhev, M'odmo Fatel U Kitsoni the Energia Energia Particularitzot. Kilo Kmokazamichel Kelev, Lokulam Shamimoto. The Mishama Modav the today city mashurat city la sot. Today, Zakilo Zah, Zaseret. Kilo Mazmanov, takilukniatoma futah, the gishle kaal, mister kela that varim shall perspective for me. Mm-hmzati. Laura tizhanim. Aska. Khan begadol and lochasid gadol shell. Ahat kufazo chata kilu tohenta seret be nida festivali, makranot, tishurim, seva, sound, kwa dvrema, ni lokokh, anyikohta drive, nam sheklach zo, dvarim, to thebit's the hot gum. Um Khasheli, kasheli mze, ni bikotini dai. Ken right at a thirty fishna time. The samaktialov, kilo, samakti menu, kaz uheta matsfea. Nenetimatsfea, ken. Ken agashtishu Logithu and loch shifhu khasap gamiem, shhbopgamim val agashtishuta sata vodaslo shilmashuaya muliot.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

Ken.

SPEAKER_01 31:33

Shel mithacheltakhe gari madmuchela, ima matlemaso lechtita, ima musika, kol kakak kolka fama te kedigam lifnea sheklat musha musika, be met betakba tsinata, potaha chela seret the musika call be met uh.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

Kime odaftitmashwasale atash uh. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Gamipchinat moti lum, megami pchina mishpahve ehti to mata shumahit kariga makorevelomarinotofehad, kjad kmodaga fulchanagid. Na kon.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

Gati lwotodim sudriat salam madim, should seret, when zachosha zaya bemeta roshaf um as the music ashwisam, I tap a shoot uhima, shvura kazoti v Mitsachini romanti, the um separitzipuka, as um as ash biglalche biglace the verb to him the search shaket, as any and v gamayali mod head mod kazak me zigamobedam umati aszi yofizem serrechim dmut vumod olechimavira, vela musika shami ibahoots. Veloitrashekilaserechilu raki shaket, serlose drive, kaza musicali. Asti muti musicae, si for drove seret, kilo tenta energia, drama. Vashitasha sino ta' senat pticha zarcela, or echvani, the natanu zele kamo musikay shoot lichtovashu. Okay. The call musicae vita takeshelo, the vanito kosho with sam kilo cantilotaserat kodem call, if na ifn's uh any mode of the certifanyet. Walmart voyage the ruch with madbamila shelo. Lovely natseret, we have been adamant again and call a killim. Call a kilim vomti sound killu tismoet.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

Kaia kobezdarot, the varabapu kitagul shot the betulot. As as betulot, de mathilefahape at levea. Askopam shata barihala tatata batrilavoda la wow ni smodnat vem shekhma barihashele nutuk okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:02

As um Elon Amefik, Jupam Koreli la Misrad, Vomertakshiv, Sidrachadasha, Betulatiam Belat, Kvaraaftize, V Mnutani Kotata Srit, the Varishan Chak Kofet Slim Maktivasha Shakar the Umor, I'gashti Shu Ken. Ken. Okay. L'Ajti Sheshbo Mabat Mabat Meshwa Shah Alakhaim, uhbev Modia Febben Govave and Namuh. So Bachar za Gadda Mito Logit Kazoti uh Norditz near there. Okay. Vusamedabelat, Ladrifadolfenim, Vu Kirved, Vasaj Mizia B Israel, the Lemish Kwahle Betolotiam, the Energia Zotti, she killu, ergashtio ta map perkare shoon, you must have vod Khibuben Eleven Shakov, Vaz Shakabav, whoithaberleze, the Vetimet Chanula vod, the Tranulavod, uh bedrive shall come up. Shakha Gvarayagam Vatiksha Mala Shonot Mel De Rosha Mshallah, Wukhi Pesasotmashwah, Khadash, the kmo today makoma koren, today shall be damshim vita textha temsikhze. Shakar kotav, ma'amshikelodavarodovar triviali. Sotafta text to bedamcha call me lasham, todah khashaf talemon, ktivaze todaza taliha roh v Nogichulometagmela vlugamias sir, as anim today meve ima s toda meve ima shuhem chama kabel ta sritis, shall have tipochl dam. As the shakar ayabezh, the yeshboze who mechakeli rot mata virsha. The barega uh uh pingpong as italifut la virabe dvarima sidra, la ksovel khany rota dmuyot, uh shovel echi margisha, sidra gisha, um reference beautiful, beautiful is the serre inarito, um khavir birdem, the serrech well cav mord more dark been fantasial realism. But shareima team. The korebashb Mexico, the callet silum shall serve list it, mash koreb uh, la mever.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

Okay, that the metal theme ta'ona zot thatona, the odona, babashani mela kev, rake bafidavitulat. Legamwe, uh, that kufas. So we're called anything.

SPEAKER_02 39:00

Mamash, so that's a dynam who's the man the mode modmila the khubarle, but he's a very good thing. That is it. That's it, kilo.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Okay, the meme s not, ma'am karabari shit.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

As laws, as similar the kohovit, it's onarishonite kula, bm o dead raskin Israeli, okay, the baklal a fakazo t itam odafakamu revit Israelite Amerikite. Okay, mefika Maria Feldman, mefika Israelite, Fauda on Arishona. Bidiuk, Vat Salam, Shabaim Raskin, Shit Salam Shaneavatiwa Bez in Adav Examan, the Masuta Una Arishunabiah, the Baunashnia, Raskin Itayev, Kola Pakim, Bazembetim Pitzlutaw Nabeno, Le Venive Polanya, Bishem Kasha, Vanachnu Betim Khalaknu, Etaunashnya. Gati, a gati tukmo or fehirug, le shlosha prachim, uh Zakef, Mamash, the gum Khazati Yotam Le Bulgaria, Lotamulpan Zoiz Dom Ken.

SPEAKER_01 42:11

Okay, Bemet Azir Bemitoveth the Kzafima Krim, the Gam Janir, Motonem ima, Mimasha Taragiv, Janis, Pesha kaze.

SPEAKER_02 42:23

Gambetulotisha Monal Metah, as the Lollegam wasar, the gam sham, gambe sente niggi akty mystika. Kenazathu shakta enigmatit kazot ba ba safave ba gishala la la la sipur as uh the hotilit raberleze lobitzelo, thefrakana kit, you tama ruvahat mersh toda mershekarti adotanekuda, umtera meitzilum, avelobit suramukzemet, uh od ksataze sha ta mesha velo, uht fhawiota el shelavodbulpan, shata bitom to that omerpe sa props mesuyan, vat's potrimez machsan, veto tops, al kolamadafim, teraktifar, kilush shavoda kilo shefa, tovel bulpan um the gamsha shamaat girzia kilo zidasha to mabi Bulgaria, but that's khikot kilo be Boston. As call as mana vodaita belinzo cast kilo nitzavimjim amerikaim, location in a. Lita fesk Amerikaim k shetsanuma ulpanim, can gedaam shama on baul panim shem kilook more kov uh amerikaikaze um the kenza patra kfit.

SPEAKER_01 43:57

Umkay i madavaraba. Okay, at the same gamet of yeah, cabalet notuk.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

Shak it. Ken, it's because it's gumma common.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

Okay, as notuk nutuk megea mega lay the street kilusnia basalava the magyim, helif in committing the fritin, but they bayem botevayev. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:59

Helek meem pachot ani pohot mut setat me baim, helecbem the remsha ni mense, uhemhshu uh nitkaim, as ishlizamin shlovka zasha call me the dram shakurim bekot kufazot um the the nutok I met um telephone me gia mi waidan ahwaydan mit kasheralah woidan mit kasheralai, theomir tegida tapanui lev le sidra, the az banikudashu mit kasheralai, umola tset letzalem feature, kher berbezman, the comedia, the mm simkakdolav, the colze, the feel, kni stamid baes anymore techif letzalem, wum okay, se lomatimbazmanim, to danba m shek. Z Megiashvib October, the colaklafame, Saretgam Neitzar, the Pitomani Mozatatmi uh Blickloom. The Azime Mit Kadmu Bamaikher was who have the projekt, the mhozrimela shov, um kabelta street, the misugata strive, the barragini msemani manio dehla sort. Any dam echlasted. Ashaholita percrean was because any mevin sufit kilush. The the mashem mod marchimgan by mm de moda sufimashu uh mod eleganti the blishumanim bihlal, kilo uh the even eyed sushem of dagvar she to that shuman, the mshuyafuman, as the mod kef, kilo ki the baberoshalul, ishakvar. Shav zahltohol at my ermo than youf n loit laptutola. Kilu otpamavanakazoti to vashel, todash lorot, shuroce chtvm simhasheli kabel kazadova, ozmahmod kilu anni magishštov, todem magistov ima sviva, magistov ima homer um begodol the konoshatsarich.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

A fabi met um uh auditriha vodimateodalasnia.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

Anachnu uh batsmanu um mitloptimalze uhmaz the tricky. Um the modnasuyam toda the uh boner energy and amotation of October.

SPEAKER_01 49:39

Y't though? Any load alo, any any kesta.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

Okay. Um the street uh shikatafti Yahadim Yali Sobol. Okay. Monika Fix can.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

Today, shut up.

SPEAKER_02 51:06

Shne dialect coach, the kilo to the sookshell can. Well, shola. No. The launch makwa vit. Okay. Okay, I shall know the alab, had my momalichneoul, olamata shruhakh shwa. Okay. Tovno. Um, bestumakom kiluk sat me za kekta bimuri, ki hasti m od mod la muzika sha la senot, kilula ketzef sha la senot, la trusha slas. Ki loyti nasuila text, uhashtioto. Kenna martze.

SPEAKER_01 52:39

Mashu theamanin pitum levema sushata lobi met mvina def my mumbrin botorega valakli fiat kushata and a kono. Ken, ken, ken. Makzewa tangkta k leveab to wahima filo. Legam shago tela bimwe. Legamwe. Tomati moment.

SPEAKER_02 52:53

Ken, any ani koshef shani koshefani any any day saker shella shella izorim uhuf shatim. Kilo any any more shum shumeraz, kilo shomeral zeh lola dat, it's man, you say. Kilo tamidla share tamidli share.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Moni refer mode many.