שי קפון, מהאלופה ועד מטומטמת: מאחורי הקלעים של הטלוויזיה הישראלית | סינמה שו"ת פרק 46

שי קפון, מהבמאים המזוהים ביותר עם הטלוויזיה הישראלית, האיש שמאחורי "האלופה", "בובות", "עבודה ערבית", "החולמים", "מטומטמת", "גוף שלישי" ו"לא לריב", מתארח בפרק ה־46 של סינמה שו״ת לשיחה עם אבי לודמיר על הדרך הארוכה משחקן צעיר לאחד הבמאים הבולטים בתעשייה.
קפון מספר על תחילת הדרך שלו בתיאטרון, (ובטלוויזיה - עניין של זמן) על המעבר לכתיבה ולבימוי בלי ללמוד קולנוע באופן מסודר, ועל הפרויקט הראשון שביים. משם אנחנו מגיעים אל "טלנובלה בע"מ", "האלופה" ו"בובות", הסדרות שהפכו אותו לאחד השמות המבוקשים בטלוויזיה הישראלית ולבית הספר שבו למד את המקצוע באמת.
דיברנו גם על "עבודה ערבית", על העבודה עם סייד קשוע, על "החולמים", "מטומטמת" ו"גוף שלישי", ועל הדרך שבה הוא ניגש לפיתוח תסריטים, בניית דמויות ופיצוח הסיפור שמסתתר מאחורי כל סדרה.
כמובן ששוחחנו בהרחבה גם על "לא לריב", הסדרה החדשה של כאן 11. על הכניסה המאוחרת לפרויקט, השכתובים האינטנסיביים, הבחירות הוויזואליות שהפכו אותה לסדרה שנראית כמו זיכרון, ועל האתגרים של יצירת טלוויזיה בישראל בשנת 2026.
שיחה על טלוויזיה, על יצירה מתוך צורך, על הדרך שבין פרנסה לאמנות, ועל אחד הבמאים שעזרו לעצב את המסך הישראלי בעשורים האחרונים.

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SPEAKER_01 0:40

Wow, because the varia cidra byproduct.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Okay, I then get malakama madvarin shata ki anilo and holy score, beamta be metal pine, tenonovena beam, bubote, alufa. Bama beamta nora hol me, vat the rota chono chatsu the allufa, elo alufatiha gooflishata beamta, vata beamtak musha martit, lolari, vemetum temu betrin sabak, we metamon poiktibatorgam se fithasti kam make karim, vatagamita at three tilemasalia project and he afti shelhash atagamitha khiksham, gamu mutrasamde pampitora chaver seleit kaswat be met be met be met amon projekting matagam sihakta beamon amonvez derot echegatalola made. Efit kilit sechha hilika deakolnuya de bichaika. May fo ni tsot arishon.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

I met an ille dea keluk shati katan reseti modiotkan. Vasihaktiv, tomivantish and lichtov, vasit kati lichtov. As katav tik mamishuga, the beam tikum shug, but says, kilo a tana fim koshailadimata be met parnes. Eh, phitatihan. What's he khakti ithhatanti we got ilta ton khaifa, ve omikadha, ve vantishani lord sarkanita. Zeshekle goof shelha, uklea vodashalha autovani modkashe, gamachasi fai tali modkasha veputom nigimara fakah, we gim kola for coach. Vaitina sui asimelda sotmashu. But the variah datila sodza lichtov veavti, as it lichtov.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Kilulola madita kona be satat formani.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Kunoa any f say ruti, a youli bayoteloti m musado limo de mani l'oistadita, mati mashayom move khanke dehd, fout keshavarikus, so to martani a safti narrative mtokke de alihav, la madati, vebemeta, a shalim sheli bakinuhit limduti amunal televisia, well mishaak, albi sharkanim, etasham tia il graf, abamaita madhima, shemela mati hamon amondvarim, waha kinukhit shel azit bha. Shelav, ehaniman kumdabuim tishim vamashu, okay. Khilash notishimakum Friki ba mkumatov ba kumhof shim, mukum mitsi rati, shel anashim sh, meta vuduiman shema, ve kolle perik sh niam sh man vad no love's man, shel hazarwot veni tuaha text, anigam la shona katavti ta street, la sidraz o tsulam bashavkol, malak kazamprilatin ness, zaya ulam kadash, shegilitov ve saftiya monamon khom vizay gam talishil tikun avori. Butam shalitarim muslotli moul le sakek tel midtihon, zaya sukshel reflexia, vebemet vik nechola gichemez kola avodochile m sukshel trapia. Vitikunit' me.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

Okay, thebemet ve samun avodochele ishamun trapia.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

Okay. Shuvaze lo itali vodabsa kandin kavlasot, as tatiov. Vekaman shuly dot knut kaz katavti got yeladim, ve katavti sifrela dim ve thushit panafta me?

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Ken.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

Ken vadetikmo me shoga kolmashlasa city. Amatikane hol keneneodea. Vay Itali is a monodrama shikatavti shalaktio telepoviloit kablave, shambeloit kablave Vaziti copyright by ICP, Mashe Lyamim Fahliot, Veneftali altera Khamud, Shane Khavlorbe, Kara, etamodramazot, Vamali, Okay Bonasemiza seret, Vasiti seret, sho monodrama Sakanihad, Mulmat Silema deber, Kumlorina Vari Klanetsach V Nulilvayemutali Shumisan Babi Mui, Kosan Pray.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Drama televisi and Sakamishim the quote can. Zabi Muya Rishon. Zabi Muyrichon. Vikhaya.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

Feratek, Madihim, Mafhid, Ayalachat, Meod, Kansuhba, Yomlifneomatilumarishon, Amati Le Giora, Bihat Salam, Vel Tamar, Wazat Samatan Mkaveshatem Udimausim San Droker and Sikhita Tafkidarashiv, V Itali Tohimian Ederet, Vavudaim Sakanimi Karti, Zakulem Od Intuitivi, V Maud La Omek Basiti Monodrama Shaita Mkriti M'Odmod Meshuna, Okay Sikak Yuta, Evetikol Shone, La Ulam, Ezeofimi Poa, Dir Shelis Lula, Vaz Gamati Siza Monodrama Mulli Feme Odaklum. Vhazati, Vayuli, Shuvieladim, Ait Sakhit Parnes, Vazkibalti Telephone Msrad, Mionifaran, She Shalotti, Tegile Tudel Multicam, Bamatluken, Mulesbou Levem Telenovelot. Ken V Aval Kamu, Amate Nase, Kol Ve Alakil Gisha, Ba Ms Radwesha, Bas Birri Mazemash Muni Malot, Of Dor Chalosh Matzlemot, Martilo, Vikibalti Telenovelobam.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Haki Mutri Sav la Tilat Bih Moni Malot, Versaillet, Lam Shadegam Menat Vim Belive, Fidra Gam.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Bo Ali Natav, Aliza Bamai, Sumatati, Amati Ba Rosh Sevet Lama Shall Fidra Kama Pakim, the Kamishimpakim.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Lama betem Swiftnell. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Ken, Vazoma Zabana Dam, Vazotamulumulubaktia Shulkan. After Lura eating Ulam, Zaya, but Kufay, Zaya, the seen. Okay. Well Kamush Lil Demon yes, I'm not going to be able to do that. Shhamparati Gvulot Vikavan Shiafam Laura Novelotsi Dvaram Shiaz Lona so merte oratimatslemot me pedestal.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

And it you said, Avalekata echata bet him, atakueta fritim lifnae.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Anithadi kratita rishonim kamuvan, vazalba myshek karav ve si perdi call as man ma olech liot vezbimat shelato ehma v mim scena.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Azilumabimui, tatagide, tatagide ala ala ala.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

Azew za kal, zhatashamshne shotim aval kivanchi bati mimishaak, zelosi pekotif, bonsraqinza dramatit, vaz mit khadedle khad, today aklishadomani mishta meshmo. Kilushesh konflikt, mimfhed mimi. Tamicha tita sele azat, mimfhed mimi, ba'azatukahil extreme. Vazta at meshase, sahkanim zabazat meshase motivati bi motivatia. Baarbeba misha sahkanim afimi tchawe zo mimitha baula ma unishal karak la tsudutam ba tsudutare gamechonim. Aval kielu pitom bata mevin kama conflict, we behi hi ruchel text, ze the warme odmohashu bawdata bimui ki athola sotena vila shirota vi shit share plata. Aval imatalo mvin shena the about niguda interessim. Vishna shim shimit negim azelha plata. That's the action the kat was. The tiptop lay ako, gamlit silum, imato shani kandestas. The call about contrast him. Ki ilumashu shom medal reka shelmashu acher, ve buleta chutza. The poit khadalia machava shelbachalama zipur sh the sipur zelo, mishu olachmi polzemishhu minasela gia mi polepov, ishlomatsa, ishlom shol, had derh bahu o kif, etamersholazi zasippu. Okay, ezhelan ish elet Ezimh al Ezemirshol medubarpo. Sha kolodersheli t repoit, a kol proksha city, the midish mirchhol temati. But tematithi pastly, but I gid okay. Ezhelan is old smokhen was ali mut, anybuchen was eldut, anybuchen was a kuchani oot, the midvarim kashim, the raim.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

Okay, I head the magia or de o stea rega dama if neither beam fameze atamforak. Ma overhabos botamega, tome okay a city the khatishana, a maleti be the inni biantigam and ibamai kuda tomed.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

Anytip alfati but kakomashi fatuti, kill ali musag mani o se. Katam telempakimven khadan musak, any musag shavyoni hamud a mali akol me u letam shih asinut varim odmah name shalua sua doz asit kabel. Kabenni fla, vizaya, falo si draf kibgal a hofish today ms to kale monitor v okay malo ved, it must okay that's trick tats mecha. Okay, can you trick that's me, vitae but semashu msemorakaniza sevet va interacti and venachimato gumarazivatamfurak. Again, forak, uh, atanach, uh, shaven is it the vara miti, uh, yeah.

unknown 16:14

But I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

But I'm not sure. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Wow, it's a terror.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Shania tsatize kwayola machair, as it's a mrube prakim, mrubot prakim, that's the rota ele kenna a mikshur, uh, amhsurishtahle, a fakavrishata kalištahle. Kvarlecholta a kalokibel, vagamazahya, lokibel utamut andi rabi video kaze kilomitsulam ka.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Ya tio kayom levay meteo tenovella tole kalve. Ani cheli, atenovot be fine tahotam sele gamma. Alufa, bubo to dara bala ken.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Ken, can, can, can. So city mas a city odd call minimum multicam, a city mut kamuyota de rot shell sidarotulpan.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Kilumani ka manik be nihamaf the rotulpan.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

The tassidam rubat pra kim apropola ma the kilugam tum temit khabito kilaim kilo, the sidragam can m rubat pra kimikra, l khlatit ilemutab a single camera, fuloshtem matzlemut. Imuriakram kavare, sh itmute, ki letzalem.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

Ah, okay. Bobo, tarbonotella lufa kim.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Avalaza bit matsevke by my shel novelot.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Echho rim.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

Shu dani famaud, side, shamaso nahat shelavoda ravit, veloz, side.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

Vitikanik kilo la trevayembeamta meonash niya donarvi.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

Ken, Avalgamta laochito laochotasri team.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Okay. Kilusam tra pam kilugam betorkotev, kilu sritim betore shame ofinbeta sritin.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Ken. Ki tmidi andai, tzhaliotla vana mashikambe kun noav verbepa mim andershosh rovba maya televizi gilot tsehavana mukabeta stri. Asamuti bito srit, vazilahavut a rukachanim side. Shainuti u shalaim the kufamufla shele avodaravit, vazel tasrita. Shasham today tatifon maze liot outsider, maze lo chone, maze lodza, mazzeliot befni, maze lot boh.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

Kama tam.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

Kamani murabani demurav uhidrazo babik shelkama shanim shabadu beyahad. Pizu katan decid veli, lefna sidra, kirush nyenu Iganukwahanukim, veaz amatoshan. Asitiza, veya az kufamotka shabarez beside azablazuta breed, vanin shartim asidra. Kiluaya bhalik matilumin wasutas vanik wasit kolarih hot, mashum odishi me basic.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Cola tentuam showemet bar shata gamit talem in Yosef white chromsahaket koshua, betemakusashi poima with hims like, can.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

Yeah, I shall modish that mode. No.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

Mathematik.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Mathemali Povish Amaz City Pot of Kidorek, Shantov Kidor, Havazelo, Mashushani, Namimano, or Azarakurim Zuluotlifna Matzle Kesheli.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Okay, I've met the Magia. Okay, Tagaro Shalem, Migrant.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Nah. Ahamud.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Okay, the Monagh the Beh Maggiata Sritai, Echbeet Maggialikametum, Technolavoda.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Ken. Kak Karati Vazaman okay to call me at Hala.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

Matheomir, Kama Pakim Ayu.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

I you are remote Pakim. Ken, Mim Hot Mirit, Zeve Tchim Talikashiktivat Sidrave. Sharebem is a Batchineta Migalaya Baita Leramataziel, Venu Shvim Veh Khushvim, Vikutve, Ammon Amonzman, Bamash Hammonzman. Shambemeth Avud Call Seno Shinichtevainum Sakimutabenenu. So I'd say, Mr. Mr. Kelly Haprisma Azot.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

But three team better machine maybe moi Vada and Takiman Wikipedia, call a project in the UT by Utter by my and be met credit the frit.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

Okay, I've the Lavonaga.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

But I mean Veshuv Vazani Mathila vote, Utahim Shira, a la Tasritim, Vele Shay Fotam Villa De Kotam, the Veshuvla Vin Al Masi Drazud Baetim. Kilubasof, Basofasofte Hasim Sheam za Mahot Hassim Ben Orimla Dim. Kilugam betuhzu gota wa vin, keilumishit of kida orev, mishid lokakit of kida yeled a mardan wa boet, tamidishama who revealed ored or revealed. The azatamina tahta sweet kacha, but mmeta kmiha, sheladmuyot, le aava, yaldit, le lelot nai, ve chivona lev, shhaurelo sapekadze. So mat comen shelot no one or a gdulot. Zapotenchiliba holofani fathahta sweetim. Bazata mevayem d'happrisma azut vekanza dare. Baz pakashi shoe with you um matok. Ma'alufa. Shetamidabinukesh mod, the colo sh animal tom the pageshi to show the gametli or beyamti to gamlifneze uh kolmanik, but miktoaze kohasha shiny vote pogesh and a shim shoe shove colpa mem befaza heret. Oulaye.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Ma mikben call a poet team shabemette, and not the rive nehon?

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Ken.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Okay, call a poetim shit, poet bechaota, drama. Point beh alha kachemodgermi call dava. Lomiroshella or frit meathalla.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

At silumin silum is the mod kachet.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

Ma e the machal mashalmat girl, it'll ma mash madgeret. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Kazivesman your mind vaheti leperigma metum temet, le shemashva, uh normality shabbenar bala mishami. Leperik was a severe. I know it too for the metum temet, physics.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Over the shoulder.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Look at the mot the akhla vanilo Mizel Zelbe, Shabati Makarman as the Yashelo Yot Sakhan, Kzahkan Jatam Vayam, we shak to Vito Udela, Visual Dvarim Shao Dela Vatanyumalo and Sah Zevazu, Rukadi Mashkan ve Megaleoto, V Hosefoto, what's my mother mukbal, so I had the rock and roll, Zakri Amato effect. And I think Gamura nibut lehatihot. I'm calling a project about the project, was the carti daria mufla riv. Noazher verevatkan is lim asidra al-Gaba, asham Hashashot, was Imamika khlat Myala. Anachnuta chancesvadit sarnuta look a madhim shallola riv. Lam shit the bala visual shall uh.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

Okay, and though I remember rifle, the gamma matash and the sida between gatela mishuma combana kocha, mm-hmm, atamagele mathalava at a mood si tam three team but a move potaslo the same with me. Can we roof kataragili ima fitimate three? Atamit caven let the project, or no fell was magged. Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Okay, I'll be a hegof, can be met sidra, mod gdullah, mod medlika, goofy.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

Wama kashma, yes po the sidrasam kapinba.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

Ah, the guru, it kashere li said, but said the mati okay beside what shall I sort of but how much is it? No, you've been malicious, the city the comedians, but has a crazy cave. Shani vantionaze go, mati malomitmuta zut. Slicha utikunital abashelo shemet. Bamati okay, ze koev, asideha shahrazev, az pitom ithatile talia shail shironi, a muh shat mshaikit. Pitom Tosh the Benadam Sha Margisha Haymas Vutum, Mati okay, Gamzaniu Dalakat, Zatmuchel Offer Amatok, Al Babedam Shel Gur Banam, Shaburach Mayal Duchelo, Vasematisha Sidrazot, Fidramitwe. Zalmarti Hasim Hamayal Dut, the Az Ikhlatti, Litzbota, Bitzbaim Shell Shell Avak, Kilo Kimashelo Zaz M'az Shnut.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

Kahhatinta Fidraga m kivol.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

Ken, but Azul Hassim intensive Perik Shiktov, Perik Shihtuv.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

Perik malovette po Matkim Mamaslav?

SPEAKER_01 39:02

Ken Yoshi Babai, to ten aro, shiva gourvechnem and volume, coulam vetem zekourtev, a kuratimratim ratimatim la chirtuwima, pakima gourbe sheriot, sach la tre.

SPEAKER_00 39:31

Atomer adatilumim chovarimatcheva kulam beakat soakim asukovara to met mi kutha delet, we call sneelho their wada and cham. Kulam to okame hadalashini, vad mathilgam i bayma yele, vad mathilimlash, motor kore, bitoh bite gang. Gamk tattihold pitom la myshela ten vela se betoh bite had kulam t'okim hadalashnia, mishu ni ga, michhohemit, mishu kek michhoh kadbuhe, the gand with agav think one shekorperka the soft pereksheva.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

Kede la sot zedefka pekamshamonamon vadnola, ba ba shikp kedelit so balagan at sechhlut me odmod morgan, vet sikhla vin me od mod is a sedar kenyeshpo. Kmoche kedei letzelemte a court atsechlavin sh the shaval basis, ki lukia kheret, zeitzar khani veze kata kedelit so balagan at sikhar ki herze be met yemes, asem odmodger, kilu ekata utalaganaze communikative. So, had muyot xi ube balagana val attaki,avin, it's a psychologi shole khadme, dragote movrim, ma si ma mihshool, ma conflict, kadeli shizorze ba dinut. V Advarama dimusha sidrata bone kamapam pamak baktiva, kheze ba richa, kheze batilumim, ve basofasof, ba ba khedarika otpan. So mat kolpamat bonet sipur machadash, tosi po kolpambištahlel mithadek, dvarim loflium dvarim ve sof, it's a sipur shanhim ba minimlofta.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

A fidra, mifrael karegam odmod afta fidra, yeshkwa mahavotal shavot alunashnia?

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Tamidish mahvotl alunashnya, uhad ben time z mahov.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Lotene novela.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

Bo bo andi ho shavel chhuva. Kvar my kirata cast, makirat zeshvaran alan. Kalkali kamuvan, yeshmashum odmod there, but canil atesha. The mod kefi, the mod mad girl, the modesh. Lolo la tikmatha, la lam shikhle khapes at mashahi past the bona rishona. Kiloshma mal coded.

SPEAKER_00 42:57

Atta ben koladvarim shata, be met of ved thatam kabela tsa odgam leva m odakha vodimelhabi lola revizama kakim be metli shurima atam shaktefasidra, mathila vodalmashuhadas.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

Ashu a lonit kaldibahaya, ca flua si drache a nikoteve she bemed the varzia as gamma nikotevo time shira, the gaming vosestal sefa, the gaming.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

Ma'am Kulnoisha Ms. Mammah Savotel Half-Chap.

SPEAKER_01 46:33

Basababa, Ba Dinut, Bli Lahat, Sabli, Zeke and the Barkaze. Mm-hmm. Nahon. Noah se kwayomev at the m kilo called the city la soch in the madlik as you can. Kibarit zakol vedakov gamletova.

SPEAKER_00 48:57

A kol mitsum, tatsächriot begasivimpunemukheim, tatsächlot meduyak, tatsäch, tzekadatim to pit, tatsäch, uhla n KSF, gam osed varatovla Mutserimai Israeli, Okay, Vebia, Ukachanim Shaitodaravali Khashna Totanula Makwa Klaim Shakypo Malemaleti Pim show Mametalepo Bekaki Rosal Bamaya Valmatano Pukamaleti Pimitanu at Kola Movani Shall Kola Mivali Pebek, the Fidra Drama Yutak Dola, Sidra K Molariv, Collatinovita Cidra to Dara Balika.