רז יובן, מ"כפולה" ועד "רצח בים המלח": כך הפכה לאחת התסריטאיות העסוקות בישראל - סינמה שו"ת פרק 54

רז יובן, תסריטאית ויוצרת, שחתומה על "כפולה", "רצח בים המלח", "חזי ובניו", "אבא מטפלת", "שלטון הצללים" ופרויקטים רבים נוספים, מתארחת בפרק ה־54 של סינמה שו״ת לשיחה עם אבי לודמיר על הדרך הלא שגרתית שהובילה אותה לעולם התסריטאות, על כתיבה לטלוויזיה, ועל התשוקה ליצור בלי הפסקה.
יובן חוזרת לימיה כמבקרת ספרות ועיתונאית, מספרת כיצד החליטה לפנות לאורי גרוס למרות שמעולם לא כתבה תסריט, על ההזדמנות הראשונה שקיבלה ב"דני הוליווד", ועל הדרך שבה למדה את המקצוע תוך כדי עבודה עד שהפכה לתסריטאית הראשית של הסדרה.
דיברנו גם על "כפולה", על שיתוף הפעולה עם רועי עידן ואלעד חן, על יצירת סדרת הלהיט בכיכובה של נועה קירל, ועל החופש היצירתי שלדבריה היה אחד המפתחות הגדולים להצלחתה. משם המשכנו ל"רצח בים המלח", על ההשראה שקיבלה בתקופת הקורונה, על בניית תעלומת המתח, ועל הבחירה ליצור בלשית אנושית ושונה מכל מה שהכרנו עד היום.
כמובן ששוחחנו גם על "חזי ובניו", על העבודה במקביל על סדרות, מחזות וספרים, על האפשרות ש"כפולה" תהפוך לסרט קולנוע, ועל האמונה שלה שתשוקה אמיתית היא הדבר החשוב ביותר בכל יצירה.
שיחה על כתיבה, על רעיונות שלא מפסיקים להגיע, ועל אחת התסריטאיות הפוריות והמסקרנות שפועלות כיום בטלוויזיה הישראלית.

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SPEAKER_00 0:58

Okay. Paneti Lemishaze Orecha Musafasa Fruit Aret Michel Endelzalt, Salfnamalemal Shannim, it's a t lo Lichtof Sham Shalachtilo Dogmatiktiva, Avati Bizamod Keshekalikanese Ladawarzev, Misham Avati Katafti Sham, Katafti Bitterbutma Riv, BMM Sheito Ktuvaro Daita, Navaram Shave Retini, Avarti Kaghla Roch be blazer, magazine Shim Shamut, Katafti Blay Shavarti Bay Galeria. Vebanidi Kare Kyor, Vegam Kikotevet, Avaloiti Mahhus Bizaf Pam, Stimatani Modo with Liktof at Varsha Vit Lasot, Avaloyti Mahus Bitochanian, Shabo Aitiravaka, Garti Levadi, Levad, Bedirai, Makelev, Vitsafiti Miderev, Basir Shelano, Shishudaraz, Vadmi, Why Nihir Chwalichtovede, Zani, andi Hwalichtov Khaka. That I meet untaling is the moodlicht of dialogue.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Show me froshit, and sharsha, malak credit in the film. Avalai can be a little bit more. Okay, ma an ingredient. Roberto the Swenshil Noah, you have the television. Ah, Bebet, Oda, Sarak, Shle Roberto, no, and I feel like it's a bit of a kidful, it's a kilo and loit mum shabba shall have a lot of people. So you have a cell stref a la project. So, come, a city kvar lifness, meme childonat, can lifek fula.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

Okay. Ascara.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Ken V Odkol Mine Kale, I've already losed it now. We should have no idea, Meladren, Abom Tapellet, Veronet Varim. Vebad Yatano's full absence. Okay, as you could, Shaniov, Srim Khamesh, Loofalana, the Loagil, Sidra, and the Shah.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Sidamula.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Can they m see?

SPEAKER_01 20:41

Ken.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

Animamashaz, it's a bit sati la view tali sham. Ken. Az kilometers that fully meter, gamma mitchama, stream from the cider meter, lay la dimenour shitabah, vitamin Italian sipur meter. Tamidhi Pasti is a goofab sipur, as a mashum history. Vitamin Khipasti et a derried it's mechan, a gata cristi kaze, benzman and kilo. Ever mtiuta ba ba ba kumeom yo mishela Charlemod, Shishalam Migdalorshufuot v Nut Seven Ba ve Kulami Timbasov. Ever Charlem Tokaze de Var key? Bo come minuta kim, ka l'inuta kimba mtiuta na khitano. We m Corona gia mi khraz shall cash it. Shutal corona. And kilo and loss of foot of Balashichi mode isha, Vishimodmod Benadam, Vishikuf Zemovhilota, Viztafilom G Hilota, she odmodenoshita dine, long husbesset, lochada, velocave, lo Kazot Balasota Vuda, El Ahache, Manhitti Mutaleto M Dazot, Vigeshlata Holet Lasot ofin lo mgishabino. Bikito, echad ebuded, and you teven bash, meodinoshit, me odbinadam kazot, meodinoshit, vitka bla. Basso kata richido, can't tela derich, yesh yesh ya adalant, mata velanta muragia, ha imtakesmo.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Khanmanuktofina.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Kuttevalevad, katavdiuta, le gamlevad. Shiva.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

Shiva.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

It halti la vodala, bis man pituarchela, zenuhakeshella, sidratmetar, the kmo lar giv puzzle shell elfim, asavadia months man a la sipur, Iuli Dwimsha, Iuli Hashovim Basipura, Vodi ma ishela sheets to my shum she kazut nohabina dam, sheet, vino kazothayoda cole, if share taba shovelon, hamyadisha le fatsea ta talumazot, y a kashuba tota tua, she tum shubat by a koletazot leta teba, kedel sabechita derhiti pitaron shoulomyad nikarlain will shoe nuhach bemetl kolor, ve shemishehe tasi manimamukdamim, yo khalba soflagid whyadatize, andet ksofa ve corit, the largi shia data. She data attack. Vatiti sha tzufaladat. She loyun chatalo, she's a loyin, yes the two detective, at a issue. Lo, ni ratiti rotterwa call as man. Ani ratiti shaped. Um, eggvata, yekasim, admouyot, we mark share my foe mic. Can Vasidi Levad, Ion Shimsha Livouti la derekra creative, ktaba richa, ava bigadol can't be a very good thing. Ashley levad, adheshibo a tomer shani aba miny nas, monachim shavnou, alcohol, apakim, perik, perik, perik, perik.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Wow, taliha o selectiva.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

Wow, talih me toa, fani tok day that city or bad for him, a city, be makbilelav. Anita midma would meet, vigam low me or revit. I know you shinim shem and italian lacted kana's law, you shanti be mech call as man as a bird's food. Avaliti, m come call shavua. No, anitamine. Avalani baki or wachat, we dwimra wahash women to tam, avalani lobbal la vod bimkuma bamaya l asset, yesh bamayal aset, kilo aset srihu to sham, sarkanim trimu to sham, iash li ma sun wah shovla gidani a git, besheket, megamana git event bon lahtilyota srit ait kenny ovetliotim anashim kolayom kolasman. Ani tita eit kennya mavitli odbeshekit levad, bastudiushelo kotev. Asanimivakerit bisetim. Avalani lodicham.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Ma projekta bashato.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

And a knuth shav.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

Love the kilo akirithah beyamelah kilo.

SPEAKER_00 29:51

Ah, ma projektabamelach the kh debenam.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

The gam si dana rubat prakim. Khazar khazatla lichtov malakim.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Na kon. Nah. Any baas, modini lichtov malekim and hyperactivity and chemishikovim, tchut, misugma od mod mod. Bahatathu, nioot liktivata re prakim, the creativity mode mode kazot te may rat. Anila kakli kamoshenim liot kazote gaber, aval marek, mayan shelini frat, u kilo lofsik, as anim mod kreativit, node wheni mzeloze, mlo kaz ka voula, kze, animode chhofat rayonot, wheni kavit mod mare, vanilonik share it youter me dai gamani murgala fridi kar mitafel, the bedra mid. Avaliote makanim. As erzitril panoye, ayarayon, le sidra, ale aba mousar nixhesla mousah, bi shazi ubanav, avalishl arbo banod, venefben. Eveon she dirka. Khad magilbulim, bagilgula khon it'sula food drama yomin we had put a three time muse. Viziti me came out bulti. A abba, mousah, arba branang, wa dodo, tiny. A monomon, mefika. Bikitsu, ratsula four de la behm shamper. Kim la rutsa bidur, stumarat la satkan telanovela. Wanika adita thanim. Ashti rayan kefi, we gam khashafti ziti kisharon ktiva marshim, kilo, shimishikou teve mortar fatikat vatze, teta rayon. Yeslo, as she collet ktiva mw mod marshima, ozen modri gale dialogim, elin nuan sim, vmuyot zollet, shalikulamya shota, sheashut be mina, v kan remote, asi pot'ma alakutalem kumach telenovella, masarotit kazotani, khalila, valani, eman e zhort na kona, kalashem kta, o ta katlash niya, tima bal shel ba la, swalash kenazik kam tan me ki lumin kaze mishpa telenovella tzut k'tat mi dai ve kelona telenovella ku kahmaswatit ve termatim gamla anashim shimorovim ba sidrazo t aniveti otri taite meitar Farachi ta' zo gambaktivoternhonan shim shimorovim baktivavto Sidrasha andashimba and yoter of vota khadashnya. She Mishpahla Khayot Shiken of Vota Khadashnya, V sh to vota Khatlash nya Venedivotaklashnya, Velotakikaniot Lamrocha Mishpah Irakit, Mod Masotit, Mkolkla laatekis, a dain yebarbe ptihut, vikabala, Gam shalacher, vegam shlubna mishpachha. She's a analysis stro tip kaze kta meushanela she mortyutazot vegama shavit. U a comitha a conflict in America Zim shall asidra. Comit or dramatit kazotla hat de la comit val egyit ki gamsi proem shelim se per me egy kaze mode. Male tseva, malechayim mod khasarg voulot vikakabetemasidra, kffishi a yoomral call mini rehivim telenovelle mbhol z drama yomit we'ackol a vale i kibla show it'sov should twist air. Ken can I traitami wed la fakakakwa. Lichtovla eta sipura unati almatoved kayo. Aq shavita yesh odo na lekhezi show meditlat. Ven you ved it ale shlikama pituhim noya fim echadim student chelile shavar and him lamed besem spiegel e we me shuale m gidimod book laliavale nashim bekalad bells. Even ved itmu megishima k shovatale seratlik fulla k.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

Okay, le video ka shella noa, okay. Sheubana?

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Lolo, lochazi ubana sidra, sheni vedeta. Itipa shoot long is manima bachelor be fashiona, we bowfai, itbar shima la albama, it kofek fulave. Makhodi chek fulava, calculo, be mate millionana shim, ktanim kagdolim, shharim baterouf nafti etashutafim shli la rua te bainyanazi. Bikito rikrachnu berarnu gishashnu ve yashinyan. Yasinyan, yashinyan, azef gamanachnu of dimpolmashu. Venikotaf tzega, le tatronhefa, ibud, ach shavilegano devaname, shelchekhov, and cashir lamako, avalbasofte ani gati mis a foot ve manute vanikoteve tzfer, lamoved.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

Wow, mataye ech dishlach malavoleom tsiloma tia.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

No, elisman, and it be dele shelmashu. Avalanikutavit ma, lamoved leiladim, be shame a balash pita vato mott. She I made the sipiltovoto odlifnational ladli eled. Uh kisefir to me, can we t satiot shaven yovet dalav.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

I adbemage full shaft kolasanima, alakma game lichtov seret amaka al seret uhilla lichttof, khamishimpra kim pitom lichttofishima mudim.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

Lama lama shim, tisim the code the kill shne kim shel ya mafet a shel rhetor. Yama vet and we can project my shani. Ma kil ma big deal canala zagata location in the call kilo with a taman shimbi karn de brim. Avalon, wow, the madgeroti batterof with the lokka zekali. Aval anibadam sa crani be nadam eve ni modi la sotterbedvarium and pila m lokshi vit and khiza mutkasheli share bizira hat, kluka ba shanim, bimkishot sh the shukat televisia, karega ulo bit kufata zor shelo, kmo Igav shum the warbum dinazot can ava the kasha, the kasha as the capriovatha fit. Kilbemat, iton out.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

Nina fida liton out.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

A liton name but saut kaele. Layomnik for n rali ka zigam ulaila video. Kilu can levayim khashaft, colo sanim. Lava.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Kokakhlubishwili Atuaval mishuli msa kotevet varim specifit me caritrat, the shanim with the the magia mimikah, look it colo canim, nah tatha de sofusel the vak musha tentloho thawn. Umachlit, khadhubanav ko collasimat the rota sabat, atte mark bona thiretin no kirel, alk fula mishohbotham shotla dime. Ken hotaslitakat, can marapo, slit up, sikhit becall the varve bicall ota, mushmait.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

Zimotkashuach, a valadine, la shevet al said, la gilan shimta su ka suka manoti, but shutlomanianti animudaze kilo loz anilo lobb elichukal bimu lechteda my crain because tina ni colozman mitra hevetli votti fedemasu manilta. Lichtof banglit and la lichtto banglit uhu basof asafase mordmer kazeim sheliv anilo lam logial shlita banglit, conchegelishlita beat, van yar kish and itam midmishata farze, uhilo banglit, anni Imanismarchita gamoti, can betah. I am smartly course though at Lak, Retakweam Karega ou set you lamanimod bekovashabai batim nosafimbola can ava lichtto banglit tho, lovish vil.

SPEAKER_01 41:31

A marche of vedetale project me fatakat projektem studentota bethem spiegel. Ech beton at panitele pantalai.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Lemase the sipur khamud, si prafan anecdotalia and if they'll mashu shakarala karafasoti kilo I shock. Stam surprise anecdota it alpha, mutrik muzar, shem shem. Anibina dam shovsi purim, anivish masi purim shelakim agov bezekana ide to kita night anim od se granit, anni ofjan shim suprimli alat'ma, betak himsi pourmanyan, betakim zenhokma o lam shelly, aniutala dat kolapratim, bemet kol pirtea pratimani ni mutti, akol, as achilaklo, ifashnu, gam kailetvarim. Eh asbregish binadam ba veslusi purmanien, v yodalisaperuto, vuragish la pratim shelo ki local bin a dam, sipurmanien, you dale se peruto, local dam, gish le pirtea ulam vad muyot, vemtiuchum de gaman shut il hesi kasti sh can regish laulam data du me to manien se pere to manyan kilo atom. Ulot shelo kortalila, okay?

unknown 44:02

It's not a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

And you better be terrifying. Tree. La vodium's can better. The manyanuti?

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Yes, the massus many on the other hand.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

And you ought to call the varsion, it can opot me, a val emotion Nitalio Ter Privilegia.

SPEAKER_01 47:19

Yes, you team at the cabal project, and the cabal versal.