Welcome to an enlightening conversation on spiritual leadership, guidance and the intriguing intersection of theology and financial abundance. Our special guest is none other than Bishop Jack Bomar, a beacon of wisdom from the Hillside International Center of Truth. This episode promises to offer a fresh perspective on the role of financial independence in ministry.
The episode unfolds with an exploration of spiritual leadership as Bishop Bomar sheds light on his journey, navigating the realms of faith and leadership under the tutelage of revered figures like Reverend Edie Barnett, Bishop Dr. Barbara Lewis King, and Reverend Oli B Browning. With a focus on the spiritual community, we dissect the essence of walking by faith, the importance of seeking divine guidance, and the distinct facets that distinguish spiritual leadership from secular models.
Next, we plunge into a captivating discussion on financial management in the church, drawing from Reverend Ike's teachings of prosperity consciousness. Here, we broach the power of abundance, highlighting its potential to empower spiritual communities to do more of God's work. As we venture further, we grapple with traditional beliefs that couple godliness with poverty, taking a deep dive into how theological perceptions of money influence our relationship with it. Join us on this invigorating journey as we delve into the divine and unfold the power of spirituality.
To find more information on Hillside International Truth Center and Bishop Jack Bomar, see their website https://hillsideinternational.org/
Welcome to an enlightening conversation on spiritual leadership, guidance and the intriguing intersection of theology and financial abundance. Our special guest is none other than Bishop Jack Bomar, a beacon of wisdom from the Hillside International Center of Truth. This episode promises to offer a fresh perspective on the role of financial independence in ministry.
The episode unfolds with an exploration of spiritual leadership as Bishop Bomar sheds light on his journey, navigating the realms of faith and leadership under the tutelage of revered figures like Reverend Edie Barnett, Bishop Dr. Barbara Lewis King, and Reverend Oli B Browning. With a focus on the spiritual community, we dissect the essence of walking by faith, the importance of seeking divine guidance, and the distinct facets that distinguish spiritual leadership from secular models.
Next, we plunge into a captivating discussion on financial management in the church, drawing from Reverend Ike's teachings of prosperity consciousness. Here, we broach the power of abundance, highlighting its potential to empower spiritual communities to do more of God's work. As we venture further, we grapple with traditional beliefs that couple godliness with poverty, taking a deep dive into how theological perceptions of money influence our relationship with it. Join us on this invigorating journey as we delve into the divine and unfold the power of spirituality.
To find more information on Hillside International Truth Center and Bishop Jack Bomar, see their website https://hillsideinternational.org/
Welcome to our next episode of Spiritual Gumbeuax, which is a podcast for leaders who lead not by the standards of Western corporate thought of leadership, but through spiritual gifts and insights. Today, I am excited to have a conversation with Bishop Jack Bomar of the Hillside International Center of Truth. Bishop Bomar is my across the street neighbor, my brother in the spirit and someone of which I feel so incredibly blessed to have in my life and connected to. We've been trying to do this podcast for several weeks and we have finally made it, and we are just bubbling up with ideals that are manifested by the spirit. So, Bishop Bomar, my first question to you is what makes spiritual leadership different from secular notions of leadership?
Bishop Bomar:First of all, Reverend Lynn, I want to say thank you for the invitation to be a part of your podcast. I'm a big fan of yours, whether you know it or not, and the great work that you're doing at the Church of Incarnation. And that's a powerful question and I often have this conversation, especially when we're bringing new leadership on at the church here the board, especially the board and helping leaders to understand that in the spiritual community that we operate by spirit and I want to get into that and share what I mean by that whereas to and a lot of nuns, I believe that everything is spiritual if we look for it and find it. But in more secular settings or in corporate settings, there are particular policies and bylaws and things, ways that you operate, but in the spiritual community that is spirit-centered. When we say spirit God, spirit divine, supreme consciousness, the universe, it is we are spirit-guided. That means that everything that we do, every decision that we make before leaning to our own understanding and our own intellect, our own experience, our own education, our own whatever we go to God first in prayer and meditation and we seek to understand the highest and the best guidance and direction for the ministry as a spiritual community and we're talking about being spirit-led, everything, not just some decisions, but everything that we put spirit first, god first, and we teach that that's a part of our ethos here, of how we help individuals to understand our whole makeup, that we are triune beings.
Bishop Bomar:We are threefold in nature. There's the spirit of us that comes directly from the source. It is the breath of the divine that's breathed into the body, that gives us life. And then there's the soul structure, which includes our mind, our emotions, our memory bank From this lifetime and previous life experiences, as we understand here. And then there's the body, the physical component, and we realize that the body is often led by our senses, by what we can see and what we can hear, and with our physical eyes and here with our physical ears and touch and so forth and so on. But we realize that there is another dimension to us that can see beyond what the eyes can see, that can hear beyond what the ears can hear, that can sense beyond what we are making, how we're making sense of things in our present reality, and when we get in tune with that, we call it spirit.
Bishop Bomar:That spirit can guide us and will guide us through, as David says, along green pastures and steel waters, and it makes it doesn't mean that things might not get challenging. Yet there's the confidence and the comfort and the insurance in knowing that if spirit has guided us to this spirit, god is going to see us through it and take care of us while we go through it and make sure we come out of it. So, from a spiritual perspective, it's all God-centered, spirit-centered. Everything I mean from the time I, whatever, whatever. What am I going to put on? What spirit? What should I wear today? What color should I wear? What should I say in this situation? What is the highest good and the highest guidance and direction for this situation?
Rev Lynne:That's very powerful, Bishop Bomar, and oftentimes we don't hear about churches really living into the spiritual notion of decision making. Most of us, or most churches, especially those of us who are in jurisdictional churches. Well, what does the rules say this week?
Bishop Bomar:Absolutely.
Rev Lynne:How can we do this? And oftentimes that squelches the spirit, and it squelches the spirit of those who are excited and know that this is what God is calling them to do.
Bishop Bomar:Absolutely. I mean, I've served in a number of churches. I've had board members that were governors and judges and attorneys and successful business. I remember one board I had the vice president of FedEx on the board and I'm like we're excited. We're excited that they were bringing all of you know this wealth of experience. Yet in this context, they had to stretch and understand that we can't lean on the way we did it in corporate America. This is a spiritual community and we are faith driven and it might not, the records might might not make sense and that's why we cannot judge by the appearance and we can't walk by faith, by sight. We have to walk by faith. What is God saying? And in the spiritual community, the spiritual community is always called to lead by faith as a faith community.
Rev Lynne:Yes, Amen, or, as I say, Amen and Ashe. I'd like, do you talk about learning? Tell me where, where are your earliest teachings from, and and who was kind of your spiritual guide in terms, in terms of your leadership?
Bishop Bomar:Very, very well. Well, I grew up in the Baptist church and you know I was just very active in the church and I had a number of influential pastors growing up Reverend E. D. Barnett, Reverend Ollie B Browning and I learned ministry, ministry through them and their heart for ministry, but as a spiritual leader and stepping into the role of pastor or senior minister and this is here at Hillside this is my seventh, my seventh community, the seventh community where I've served. My predecessor, Bishop Dr Barbara Lewis King, has been by far one of the great leaders and teachers for me and before coming to serve as presiding Bishop or executive Bishop, first here, as Dr Barbara's successor, I was working with the legendary ministry founded by the legendary minister, Reverend Frederick J Eikerenkoetter , better known to millions around the world as Reverend Ike, who's known as one of the premier teachers of higher consciousness and prosperity and all of those things, and he's been a phenomenal teacher. Dr Johnny Coleman out of Chicago Christ Universal Temple in Chicago has been a phenomenal teacher for me. But when it comes to and then I have to say the lady who helped to I guess she served as the spiritual midwife for me Reverend Ernestine Heckler Lee, who transitioned a few years ago. Reverend Helen Cooper out of Chicago, my my own biological mother, Delia Mae Tharp, have all helped me to help to shape my understanding and my approach in ministry as being a spirit, guided and directed and led leader in ministry and when it comes to the practices, especially in terms of the financial approach to ministry and administration, I believe some of most of what is happening has been part of the gifting.
Bishop Bomar:I believe that we're all gifted with different things.
Bishop Bomar:I know you are astute in your ability to stand and preach and teach and that's a strong point, and I believe that for me at minister, church administration is has been one of those giftings.
Bishop Bomar:I didn't recognize it or realize it at first until probably my second community, and I saw that there were certain things that happened each time. Each time that I, each time that I entered a ministry. They were usually on the decline or they were struggling, but it never failed that there was a particular practice that we adhere to that helped to transform those ministries and those, those teachers and, as I mentioned, Reverend Ike and his whole teachings and consciousness of prosperity and so forth and so on. All of these things have served me very well in ministry and helped me to lead ministries to a better financial position, and a not just financial position but to reposition the ministries in a holistic kind of way. So it's, you know, across the spectrum that, from from memberships to excitement about ministry, to this to administration, all of those things bringing balance and equilibrium and harmony into the whole of the church and the whole of the ministry.
Rev Lynne:What do you think or what have you learned in your years of ministry about how, how, how we often look at ourselves, and from the position of scarcity versus that of abundance?
Bishop Bomar:I think in many and certain certain traditions have helped us to to move in that light. You know it's that it's it's godly to be poor, it's godly to be broke, that we shouldn't expect to prosper and to do well and to help much as a culture. We, as a people, we were taught that we were miseducated as such and I'm, you know I'm from the perspective that, for one, that's how we've been socialized in many instances, especially when it comes to the church, all the churches, you supposed to be helping and you give what you can for the church is there to help the community. Yet I'm from the perspective, as Jesus says, that I've come, that you might have life and have it more abundantly, in that the more, the more the church is, the more financially stable that the spiritual community is, the more it can help the people and help the people become financially free. And I remember hearing, as a child growing up, and hearing Reverend Ike teach and he would say you know, it's not the love of money.
Bishop Bomar:People misquote Paul's love of money is the root of all evil. He says it's not the love of money. He says it's not money, it's the root of all evil. The love of money is root of all evil. He said there's anything worse than the love of money. It's the lack of money, and it's the lack of money that causes people to. It brings out the beast in the individuals. It brings out that lowest nature. People will steal, people will kill, people will compromise themselves and their values. They'll sell their soul for it, because there's the appearance that there isn't enough of it or they don't have it.
Bishop Bomar:And so what we have chosen, our approach, is to, for one, help to raise the idea that God is source, and I believe that that in God everything is needed. Jesus said if you seek he first, the kingdom of God and its righteousness, everything will be added. And to find in God as our source and our supply, and then to draw out of that source what we need, because that's the promise to meet our daily bread, to give us our daily bread and to meet our needs and even bestow upon us our wants and our hearts and our good desires. I believe that, and so what I've learned through the teachings is to test, prove God there's Malachi, prove me now, says the Lord, and see what I do this. If you do this, and so I test it, and if it works for me as an individual, then let's work it for the spiritual community.
Bishop Bomar:And so we're really big in ministry and I just had this conversation earlier about under. I believe that the church should be able to provide the members and help the members. We do help the members financially. We help them become financially free. We are paying off, helping to pay off mortgages and pay rents, and helping provide scholarships and helping to pay off loans and hospital bills, and you name it. We are positioning ourselves more and more as a spiritual community to help our members that way, and we believe that the more financially free our members are, the more they can help us do more for the community.
Rev Lynne:Like we're about to.
Bishop Bomar:We're working to build the whole housing, community workforce development housing, home ownership opportunities for you know, and then senior housing, without having to depend on the government or having to depend on outside funds, that we're working to raise consciousness so that we can draw to us what's needed to do this work. Why should we have to beg as children of God, who scripture says the earth is the Lord and the fullness there? Why should we have to be beggars to do God's work?
Rev Lynne:Why?
Bishop Bomar:Only because, in consciousness, that's our belief. I'm like God. This is your ministry. You have called me here. You did not call me here to struggle over money, so I need you to be God and do what needs to be done, and you know what's needed. Isaiah says you know before I even ask what's it, what's it what I mean, what I need, and so you promised to provide that and that's what we're raising consciousness. So, since I've been here at Hillside officially since December 2018, and we've instituted, we've done a major probably nearly $2 million plus in fundraising to restore the facility and then we paid off the mortgage. You know all of that has been over 2 million in the past three, what three, four years? Four, years.
Bishop Bomar:And we still got a lot of work to do, and that's why I'm maintaining the ministry as well.
Bishop Bomar:You know our regular general operation and we have not been very intentional of not charging the people for the services, because we realized that in that everybody's not gonna be able to benefit and be benefited by the services, and so we create opportunities for our congregants. There are those who can do more than others. Listen, let's all do our best so that everybody, let's all do our best to prepare the table, the feast, so everybody can eat and enjoy and be nurtured and ministered to and ministered and lifted and elevated.
Rev Lynne:What I am resonating with so much is. For me, that is a stronger sense of community, because if I'm able to be full on my meal or just to be able to eat, I am gonna be more apt to help. Yes, when you're in a point of scarcity, it's harder to help, it's harder to give. And if more people could understand the importance of the power of a collective, almost like what we used to hear about in the West Indies.
Bishop Bomar:Yes, okay.
Rev Lynne:Everybody coming together to help and that way, if my brother needs food.
Bishop Bomar:Absolutely.
Rev Lynne:It's there and to know that assistance. What's burdening me, burdensome for me, is X, y and Z, this hospital bill.
Bishop Bomar:Absolutely that. Student student loans.
Rev Lynne:I mean, I'm going through that right now, you know, with my son. He doesn't make enough to pay his student loans. I mean that's the truth.
Bishop Bomar:And the escalating cost of rent today.
Rev Lynne:Yes, but it and the challenge of it is okay, you're not paying your student loan, but I'm your co signer, so that's affecting my credit.
Bishop Bomar:Absolutely, absolutely.
Rev Lynne:You know that kind of thing. So that's a challenge, and so we're also doing education.
Bishop Bomar:I believe that education is a part of it.
Rev Lynne:You know as well.
Bishop Bomar:And shifting consciousness. We talk about consciousness, our awareness. I do believe that the one thing that we're going to carry with us, we're going to carry up, we're going to carry ourselves with us wherever we go. And until we, until we change the mentality and the mindset and our belief systems, our structures, our theological understanding and philosophy about finances, about wealth, so forth, and life spirit, so forth and so on, we will continue to perpetuate those same behaviors and create those same situations and conditions. People move from city to city, business to business, job to job, house to house. They carry that mentality of debt and scarcity with them wherever they go and so they recreate that stuff.
Bishop Bomar:And we believe that when we get into the soul structure, start clearing that stuff out and then replacing it. We do a process of denial and affirmation here at Hillside. Denial is not that we're denying that this thing is happening, we deny it power over us and we deny it. Why this? There is no power in the my power is in God, and we replace it with affirmations. We affirm that which we want and we do believe in a name and in claiming it. Name it and claim it, blab it and grab it until you make it your own Right. So you got to name it and claim it, blab it and grab it until you can get a faith your way to it. And so that's a part of our reeducating the soul structure, because we believe that the there's a part of us, the subconscious, will go to work in creating with it and helping to manifest that deep seated belief that we have, whether it's for lack or for plenty, whether it's for sickness or for health.
Bishop Bomar:Then I'm hearing the words of Ernest Holmes in his book Science of Mind. He says when we start building the idea and building the consciousness for the good that we want, all of nature will begin to conspire on our behalf to help make that thing become part of our manifested experience. And that's where our trust comes in. And I believe that we got to do our part. We got to do our part and then give God the stuff that God uses to create the miracle and the to manifest the good that we're desiring. And what we give God is the faith of our mind, the and the, the faith of our hearts and the energy of our mind, and then God can do, can do the miraculous what you believe. Your belief has made this happen for you, that's right, that's absolutely true.
Rev Lynne:Faith is a substance of things hoped for.
Bishop Bomar:Yes, and think about what substance is invisible, that invisible stuff of the universe. Faith is the substance of the thing that you're hoping for. It's invisible, but it's also the evidence of things not seen.
Rev Lynne:Yeah, For those of you who will be listening to this in the Episcopal church this past week, the gospel from Matthew talked about you cannot serve God and wealth, and I think Bishop Bomar just gave you a short sermon of of and affirmed what I tried to say to you on Sunday that God, faith in God, will allow the manifestations of everything else to happen in your life, so that's important. You have a wonderful book out called God and Money. Tell me about that.
Bishop Bomar:Well, God and Money how to Manifest your Divine Riches. This book was actually written, compiled, several years ago when I served the Unity Church of Hawaii in Honolulu at the foot of Diamond Head and I taught this class on radical prosperity. I did two part sessions and there are a few publishers in the congregation. They said, oh, Reverend Jack, Jack, we should put this in a book format. I'm like, well, go forth, let's put it in a book format. So this came as a result of this and these teachings were really inspired by Reverend Ike and most people think of when they those who know of Reverend Ike, or they think they know Reverend Ike, they most people equate Reverend Ike with money. They see him as the money preacher.
Bishop Bomar:But Reverend Ike, before he started teaching prosperity what people don't know he was born in, born in Richland, South Carolina, and as a he was a young menace. He started preaching at a very young age, I think he was like 14. And all around the low country of South Carolina Reverend Ike was known and he had followers of Reverend Ike. He would go to all these churches all over these different islands and people, hundreds of people, would show up and before he started preaching prosperity, he would stand and preach the power of God as healing power and I've had so many people to talk about being the miracles that would happen people being healed, people being delivered from addictions and old habits, and people, a lot of the people around in that area South, especially in Beaufort, Richland, that whole low country area. Many of them attribute their spirituality, their walk and what we call holiness and wholeness through the teachings of Reverend Ike.
Bishop Bomar:And then his understanding evolved and he realized, as he was doing ministry and doing counseling sessions, people writing to him, people. Most people came with four major concerns. They were having financial concerns, struggling financially, they were struggling with their health or they were having difficulties with their relationships or their marriages or they just didn't have a sense of purpose in their understanding. What does God want me to do? So he started catering his messages to meet those four needs. When he started, he started doing counseling and he would do counseling after his services and sometimes before. And there were in New York you know he was United Palace there at 175th and Broadway in New York City, upper Manhattan, the fourth largest theater in all of Manhattan. People be wrapped around the building trying to get one-on-one and he couldn't do that. It just didn't make sense. So then he started doing sessions, in his sermons, making sure that he's speaking to those various needs, and everything that he did. And he just became known as this prosperity minister because many people were having demonstrations and manifestations, they were applying the teachings and they were applying the principles that he taught and they started seeing God work in them, through them, for them.
Bishop Bomar:And he taught that money, the lowest vibration of money, is what we can hold in our hands and we can exchange with each other, but the highest vibration is consciousness. That money is psychic vibration, it is energy, it is the energy of the mind, and he says we can tap into it. It is God in manifestation. When we can tap into it, we can draw it and bring it forth whenever we need it. Jesus told Peter when Peter needed to go pay the rent, pay the taxes. What did Jesus say? Go down and go and catch the fish and look in the mouth of the fish. Your money is in the mouth of the fish. Even Jesus needed to pay his bills. You know, mystics got bills to pay too. The church here's the thing we have to pay utility bills to who's it?
Bishop Bomar:Georgia Power as much as we can tell. We can send a prayer to Georgia Power. Georgia, we're gonna send you a prayer for this light bill. We're gonna give you an affirmation, this light bill. But you know what Georgia Power gonna do? They're gonna shut off these lights because they won't take a prayer and they're not gonna take an affirmation and they're not gonna take a Jesus paid at all. They want some money, honey, and if you don't give them the money that they want me, they're gonna shut off the utility bills. So we have to operate, we need, we utilize the money to do the work of the ministry, and Not just Georgia Power, but all of staff won't take, they won't take a prayer for their pay for them. Well, I'm gonna come and pray for you. That's gonna be your pay. No, man can't live by bread alone, right?
Bishop Bomar:Yes, that's absolutely funny, so this this book has come from those teachings, and Reverend Ike has been a great influence, especially in helping to shape my prosperity consciousness. He's been a great and he continues to be a guy. I never got to meet him in the person. I met his family, became introduced to his family a year after he transitioned and I started serving his ministry in New York in 2010 and he's still he's.
Bishop Bomar:He's been a tremendous teacher and influence for me all of these years, and so, even in my dreams and Waking moments, I can hear his voice guiding.
Rev Lynne:Before we wind down oh, I've got so many other things I want to ask we have to do a part two. I know we have to.
Bishop Bomar:We have to in fact, I suggest we even look at doing a show together.
Rev Lynne:Absolutely love that. We'll have to work through it. Yeah, I'm up for it, and we've definitely have the technical yes, yes before you and me. It's funny. You said we talked about money. My dad always said to me if you treat your money well, it will treat you well and he wasn't talking about investments, Wasn't? And? And he was talking about I would take my money and ball it up.
Rev Lynne:Oh yeah, I'm gonna know like no, spread it out, put it in there like you love it, and I thought this was the craziest thing I've ever seen. But I think that's kind of what we're saying in some way. It's about the consciousness in your mind, about, about money and our approach to it.
Bishop Bomar:In our approach, yeah and this, but we talk about our theological, our theological beliefs about money and our how does our understanding of God and self help to shape our understanding of money and our approach with money? And and we really have to look at that most people believe that God wants them to be poor. And your site money psychology, the psychology of money and the theology of money. What are those deep-seated beliefs? You know, those deep-seated beliefs are either drawing money to you, drawing wealth to you, drawing prosperity to you, or repelling Money, repelling wealth and prosperity from you.
Rev Lynne:Yeah, two things. One I think we often get caught in this phrase. Jesus said the poor will always be with you, and Oftentimes maybe we see ourselves because, as followers, that that's part of the prerequisite of us being poor and being with Jesus. That just may be some of the psychic stuff that's in our head.
Bishop Bomar:We reinterpreter that as the poor and consciousness the poor and spirit will always be with us.
Bishop Bomar:I believe that we're not supposed to be borrowers, not as Kingdom children, not as children of God. We're supposed to be the lenders, as Spiritual communities we're supposed to be, we're supposed to be the institutions that our people come to to support. It used to be that way we're supposed to be. We're not supposed to be borrowing with these, at these just ridiculous interest rates. We're supposed to be meeting the people and helping the people. Come here, come here, come to the temple.
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Bishop Bomar:Wow.
Rev Lynne:She brings prosperity to you, and so I'm sitting here listening to you. And then the other piece was she cannot take out loans. See she cannot take out loans. But what I shared with my congregation last week. I used to be in banking and investments for many years. I was the youngest Black woman, at 21 with .
Rev Lynne:Merril Lynch ynch ynch ynch P ener L enner Pierce, fener and Smith with the series brokerage license to trade. And at one point later in my service with in financial industry, I started to get sick and I ended up moving to Cleveland and and someone said to me, we've they couldn't find anything was wrong and so they sent me to a woman, Dr Jewel Pukru, who is in Jamaica now, but she was an OBGYN, a Ford clinic scholar, and she had been studying in Egypt as well as in Kemetic and she is of the comedic order, and so I went to see her and I'm you know, I'm totally I don't know what I'm doing, right and she had this whole room of just of black women just sitting there waiting to see her. And when she came in to see me, she had a hat on and when she pulled her hat off, if you've ever seen the Kemetic hieroglyphics, and they have the Chimetic priests, they have this ponytail, this the bald, and then they have this ponytail right and I'm going, wow, what is this? And then she, she came and she said what's wrong with you? And I was telling her about this discomfort that I was having and she looked in my eyes and she looked at my hands and she said what do you do.
Rev Lynne:And I said I'm in banking and I had just started commercial lending, and she said you can't. She said what do you love to do? And I said I love to read books on spirituality. She said you're bleeding from the spleen. And she said if you don't read spiritual works every day, you'll be dead in one year. I said huh.
Rev Lynne:Was this crazy lady? Who is it? And so then she started talking to me. She said there are some people in the world who are born to do work around interest. You're not, wow. And she said that's, and it's working against you and it's killing your spirit.
Rev Lynne:And she said what I would encourage you to do is to continue to work on your spirit, sense of spirituality. And she said have you ever heard of universal law? And I said yes. She said well, no man ask another man for a loan and Then requires interest from them. People ask for loans because they need it and to ask for interest is Against universal law. Wow, and she said and you, you can't do this, you can't do this.
Rev Lynne:And that very next day I got laid off. It was right after the stock, the first big stock market close crash since 1929, shortly after that, I should say. And so financial markets were in up. They didn't know if they were coming or going because they hadn't seen this since 1929, and there were still the revirbrications a year later when I was in Cleveland. So that became a part of my journey and I just shared that with you because it seems to be very much in line with some of the things that you're talking about. That, unfortunately, our Western training Absolutely has gotten us away from as as melanated people, most melanated people, whether they're the aborigines and Australia, or the Native Americans here, or Africans or whatever, even Asians, have this deep embedded sense of spirituality that guides them in a very powerful way, and so we, as I think, as African-Americans in the church, have kind of lost this centering. So I want to thank you for that. If you could just share a little bit about your upcoming Events here in Hillside.
Rev Lynne:I'm excited about and I want to just be here for some of them. I don't know how I'm gonna work it out, you know. I want to be here for Dr Berry and Absolutely.
Bishop Bomar:This is our 52nd anniversary month, and so Sunday. Dr Barbara King found it hillside in September of 1971, the same month and year that I incarnated in this body, and so this is our 52nd year and we celebrate the whole month. So this, the second Sunday, is Founders Day. We have dr Bertie's Berry who's gonna be our speaker, and she's Really sir newest book. Dr Naim Akbar would be with us on the third Sunday and we're also hosting got to come at one o'clock on that Sunday. It's our Ubuntu, our Ubuntu gospel music celebration, and we're looking to honor a couple of the gospel legends in gossip.
Bishop Bomar:Second Sunday the third Sunday, third Sunday, third Sunday we just had the first Sunday was our old landmark service. We went back to the original chapel on Sunday we had service there and it was overflowing and it was just just a pretty electrifying the energy in this, in the Spirit, in the space. And then on the 21st we launch our Ubuntu conference from September 21st through the 24th, and to kick off the conference is Ricky Byers out of
Bishop Bomar:Los Angeles, and we have Reverend Henrietta Bird from Chicago, Dr Liza from Harvard, Boston, kumu Brenda, one of the Hawaiian kumus we have. Marianne Williamson will be with us Friday night Sessions all day Friday. And then we have Reverend Sylvia Sumter from from U U nity of Washington DC. We'll be with us Saturday morning from morning up, simply. Then we have our Ubuntu festival, which begins at noon on Saturday, and then to close out our Ubuntu conference and Anniversary celebration on Sunday 24th is our legendary, our friend, our sister, the great Legend herself, Iyanla Vanzant LaVance, that will be with us and so it's just going to be a month of month of activities and events.
Bishop Bomar:We will love you to come and be a part of it.
Rev Lynne:I'm excited about it and hopefully I will be able to share some time with you, because I really admire the understanding that spirit is not limited to one Spiritual tradition or denomination and as, as scripture tells us, the spirit will go as it wills.
Rev Lynne:Yes, yes and so that that is important and I hope that you and I Will continue to develop our relationship, because it is a godly and spiritual based relationship that will hopefully change the paradigm Of how we, how our people, see god and take down some of these false barriers in Denominationalism who takes communion, who gets baptized, who rolls over and plays dead and all that other kind of stuff which tends to divide us In in that thing that is so important and that's the spirit of god which dwells within us. Yes, or as Jesus said, you will do greater things than I.
Bishop Bomar:Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Well, I'm looking forward to that and thank you once again.
Rev Lynne:Thank you with opportunity to be a part of this.
Bishop Bomar:Thank you bishop, thank you.