Welcome back to the podcast. I'm Hussein, your co-host, alex, this time Chidong, as we all know him. I Would have said welcome back to outside the box, but we don't have where we're changing the name, aren't we? Yeah, we want you guys to help us pick a name, because we realized that outside the box is an Unsurprisingly very common name for a comment.
Speaker 2It's just. It's just. One other podcast channel has the same thing, but they're big. So so when you know they're not, it's just when you look up outside of box podcast that one shows up as well.
Speaker 1So we don't even show up on the first page.
Speaker 2Okay, now we do, because I changed the names of anyway help us pick a new name, yeah, please.
Speaker 1Also, as you'll notice, we got rid of the fancy Yeti mics, because either they suck or we suck. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm Betting on the fact that we suck.
Speaker 2Well, okay, so are you two videos that you guys watch on the other channel.
Speaker 1I sound, I sound great.
Speaker 2Yeah, there's no problem with these mics that we use and with the camera mic. Now, when we don't like use these mics like the external ones, you sound fine, like actually the. This camera has a really good mic built-in the Lumix S5.
Speaker 1It has like it has a good mic.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think it also has a really good mixer built and it has a wind reduction and sound like blocking stuff. It's just, it's better than what we can do so like, if we got a real, like, we have a board or mix?
Speaker 1What is it called a mixer? If we got a real mixer and this guy knew what he was doing with media, we could, by the way, applications open for media positions. He's useless. I'm getting rid of him.
Speaker 2I don't want to be here anyway like look at this, we're using.
Speaker 1we're using like what are these like random?
Speaker 2Yo, they're called like happy element like 20 bucks.
Speaker 1Garbage mics, but they work well, like this is. Look at how clear the sound quality.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's good We've never had issues with the one reason the mics would never have issues with sound.
Speaker 1I wonder how it is if we talk quiet, though that's not scream like we always do.
Speaker 2Yeah, let's talk nice, we'll be quiet, it's still.
Speaker 1Look, even if I talk quietly, it's still always voice meter is so good.
Speaker 2What is?
Speaker 1it. What is that called a decibel meter?
Speaker 2Yeah, that's well. Yeah, look at the decibel meter actually reduced it too, so it's like not fantastic, okay, anyway, help us pick a new name. Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, what will? Post a story, an intro what do you guys want to hear on an intro man Like he keeps telling me I need an intro, but what do you want me to?
Speaker 2say you gotta make every Podcast I consistent, like the beginning of every podcast should start the same way, you know what?
Speaker 1the beginning of every podcast I'm gonna start with me eating chocolate. Last time I had this nice caramel chocolate and these guys like oh, that's what I was saying, don't use it, stop using it. They try to like edit out me eating my chocolate.
Speaker 2Every podcast gonna start with me loudly opening chocolate, no, but I think it's better now with these mics, because I had a headset on last time and Alex the other Alex was trying to talk about you know his LF for, and then you're just this thing that I want you here all the crackles.
Speaker 1I mean my chocolate. Okay, can we?
Speaker 2actually get, come get into the actual stuff after that, cuz we're a start, you suck as a co-host.
Speaker 1I don't know, bring Anna back.
Speaker 2Yeah, please, they don't like Anna. What all the comments they like? They don't like Anna, they want to do fire. Anna, get Alex on here, you get not me deal. Yeah, I'm moon showing why? Yeah, because you guys actually talk. Okay, let's just start with this.
Speaker 1Because it's the very, because it's a very first like one of the one of the mic picks up my chewing. You guys wanted ASMR right here's Anyways.
Speaker 2Okay, let's start. So, if you guys don't know, anna does all the the notes for us, so this is my first time reading the notes, so we're getting. We're getting surprised by all the questions.
Speaker 1Indeed, I'm always I okay, so the very I don't, I don't read the notes, they, they pass them like hey, is this good for the podcast? And I'm like sure, unlike I never read it.
Speaker 2You have a whole day to read it and prepare, and then he's like nah, not me man. Okay, well, I'm gonna skip the the random stuff, let's just go to Okay RZ.
Speaker 1So our most recent YouTube video With the Z you got a surprising amount of hate, but like, so not even like. The YouTube comments are okay, mm-hmm, but like I saw people like posting it on Facebook, right, like they're like sharing it and like, suddenly, like they got know what that hood open, bro, show me a shop that doesn't die. No, with the hood open. Like the only shops that don't are ones that have massive like Air ducts that are meant to simulate like real world. Yeah, I, dino doesn't simulate real world, it's just a tool, and I even said it like I would put a disclaimer there like yo, yeah, it this.
Speaker 1That's why I said don't focus on the peak numbers. We're just looking at gains in general to see if intakes matter at all. And that's why I didn't put like a ranking of like oh, one, two, three. I was like I just personally like the boosted six because they sound great, but all three intake types that we tested today are fantastic, and I even said on the street you would get an air damn effect from the ram air coming in. So I'm like I Don't understand.
Speaker 2Hey, it's just people who didn't bother, like oh I mean who didn't bother, actually like watching the whole thing, yeah, so I made multiple posts on our you know social media, like even before the video came out, because I wanted people to know, I want them to get the whole context of the whole video and not just look at, oh this, this may more power and get this. I even made him I'm sure if you guys watch the video I made him do. The first part of the video is him Saying watch the full video, don't, don't just look at the peak number, who doesn't make the most power, and go. I'm gonna get that. It's not always just about the peak, peak dyno numbers. There's way more to that when it comes to, you know, actual performance on the street, and I'm sure you know he's been doing these cars for you know for a while now. He knows a lot about these cars. I'm just talking out of my ass, apparently, but Like dude, like.
Speaker 1I don't understand, like this one guy it was I think it was one of our customers Ivan like posted someone was asking about the boosted six shorties and hey, here's some results, right? Mm-hmm, ivan didn't even say anything. It wasn't like a hey, boosted six versus this or that, he just posted it. It was random dudes like going off on him in the comments like oh, this is bullshit testing. I'm like I Didn't say it was perfect.
Speaker 2Yeah, we, just we like, made this disclaimer like multiple times in the video, saying, bro, please don't, don't take this at just this.
Speaker 1Speaking of which are you gonna try? I think we should at this point just try a tried 60 to 130 with the boosted six yeah two and a half and then toss in the AMS intakes.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1See what it does. We got the inner children's also. At least get temps down.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's just so it's just so hot out and during the day, like inner children. Bro Go Mexico is a long trip, by the way, and it just it takes a lot of time and I know, I know I asked you guys what you guys think about these kind of content If you guys want us to make more testing videos, comparison videos and more long form and more informational videos, and but the other thing about that is it takes way more time and way more effort to put the put together. A video like this, of course, like this video was only a comparison to two intakes in stocks.
Speaker 1Yeah, so you know, what that's like your very good point. People are like, oh, but we want to put up more, don't get us wrong.
Speaker 2Yeah, like I Understand what other people don't so a lot of time and I'm not worth it, but I'm that we spend doing that Is like not, it's taking away from actual daily tasks that we have.
Speaker 1Like I fall behind on emails, he falls behind on shipping and media. I mean it is media, but you know, like we're sitting there doing this, we can't take away our taxes, our tax are working on shit that makes us money. Mm-hmm, I think it's like so we don't, we don't. Also, we're not like the soul. It's not our intakes, we're not making money off selling intakes. I mean sure you can buy them from us. We were distributors or I can reseller distributors, whatever.
Speaker 1We sell AMS. Yeah, dealers, we sell AMS parts and boosted six parts, but like yeah.
Speaker 2For example, like are we?
Speaker 1renting because we're annoyed that people bitched about it. Are we ranting?
Speaker 2I'm just saying like I'm just comicking. You know what people said, like, for example, somebody asked in our YouTube comments if we can do a comparison between two and a half inch downpies versus three inch down. Well, there's this like lower downpices for the fall down pipes. If you're gonna do on a same card, we have to install each install and you know, take off every set of downpices, because you know fall downpices lowers, lowers and stock uppers and full is just like.
Speaker 1Well, I would actually be. Yeah, extremely hard me here by the time that you got one installed done. I mean, look where we're not slow, but I don't think we're the fastest either. But even if we were like the fastest shop in the world, at minimum I think the fastest anyone's ever done full down pipes that I've ever heard of is like two and a half hours. Conditions change, so much in the day that it's no longer like an accurate assessment.
Speaker 2That's if you're lucky and you don't have to drop the motor, sometimes for a full down pipes. We have sometimes from factory Mm-hmm, the V-Band's come clocked in a way that is just impossible to reach first Z, we had to drop the motor To do the down pipes also, very first thing we did by I think, and this one it was. We were lucky with the second one that was cocked easily.
Speaker 2But it was a so penny-ass, ronnie, so spend a lot of time on it because it's a very hard to get to clamp without you know.
Speaker 1I think it would be cool to do, but at that point it's like I think I Don't know.
Speaker 2It's just that's, it's a lot of work and I don't know, like what, like we can really get out of that. Like we generally just recommend whatever set up for what your goal is.
Speaker 1I mean, I think the only reason we even did the intake things. People always asked us what intakes? And I was like you know what? Let's, let's try it like I wasn't. I wasn't out there to be like oh look, there's the end. All be all for intakes, man. Like I even said, we don't have an R&D facility.
Speaker 2There's better ways to test equipment, better ways to test parts like full down pipes, you know you do like real flow, I think when it comes down pipes, like there's no reason to compare lower down pipes versus full through down pipes.
Speaker 1It's like you know they're better. You know this.
Speaker 2If you do like you know A full build, do 3-inch and do 4-double.
Speaker 1We should not put chocolate in front of me because I'm just going to keep eating. I'm going to get fat from doing this podcast.
Speaker 2All right, anyways, let's get to our first question.
Speaker 1That wasn't a question.
Speaker 2I guess it is, but let's start with the Z. Let's start with the Z because we're already on the Z, so we're prepping there for FL2K and Z Nationals. But I think, FL2K is a little bit more important, because it's like when we're actually on the car.
Speaker 1Bro, we got to get data.
Speaker 2We're not doing much to it, like not really anymore. We've already done most.
Speaker 1I wanted to put turbos on it, but we're not going to have time. There's not enough time to get turbos on, get it tuned, tested, blah, blah, blah. I think we just go with the stock turbo setup. We already know what we can do.
Speaker 2We already have it from our previous Z the 10.5 index FL2K. Yeah.
Speaker 1I mean we ran a 10.7 on 93, so with E we should go with 10.5 index should be attainable for sure, so I think we'll just go dial it in for 10.5s. I won't be there. We'll have some personal stuff.
Speaker 2But the team will be there. Yeah, alex, will be tuned, we're also going to Z Nationals.
Speaker 1And oh, we were supposed to run. We were registered for the actual motor sports part at Atlanta Motorsports Park. We're supposed to do the Strict racing. And then they had a decibel. That was a 95 decibel.
Speaker 2Oh, that's okay, that's so low. Yeah, that's like extremely low, that's like my call idling.
Speaker 1That's the super idling.
Speaker 2That actually is the super idling. That should be the idling On a cold start with the cat heating Bro.
Speaker 1I'm pretty sure the Audi on a cold start, even with the stock cat back, is louder than that on a cold start.
Speaker 2So I don't know, all these new sanctions on tracks really like.
Speaker 1Is it a new road or is it Atlanta? This is recent.
Speaker 2I was like this is like recent, last few, like, I'll just say, the last decade. I remember this is like a tangent by I remember I was like middle school, high school, which is not that long ago it's really not.
Speaker 2They just started the decibel thing at Laguna Seca and that used to be where all the cars do testings and like motor trains used to do testing there. They can't do that anymore, even with some of the new cars being too loud. So I remember seeing pictures of like you know, like nice size cars, like Porsche 911s with these like external mufflers on the car, just like in track at Laguna Seca.
Speaker 1It's stupid, it's dumb. Stop building houses near tracks. The track was there before.
Speaker 2Yeah, I don't remember what reason was, but like you know it's kind of stupid. Probably Karen's, oh yeah. But I mean other than that, like what do you, what are we expecting for the Z?
Speaker 1I know you kind of already said just run the 10-5 and Mark did a really good was a 10-4-8.
Speaker 2Right Did he run faster than that I don't know this is bad. We should know what our friends are doing.
Speaker 1But you run a 10-4-8.
Speaker 2Yeah, I know, I know AMS runs 10-4-2.
Speaker 1So I mean easily 10-4s. Yeah, I would like to see you know the inner chiller and hopefully like good DA when we go in two weeks With three weeks, two weeks, three weeks, anywhere I'd hopefully it's good DA by then. I'd like to see like a low 10s pass. I really do believe that nines are possible and like a fully gutted Z, with good weather and the perfect launch on stock turbos, nines should be doable. Yeah, on on on E. Obviously I don't know. I'll be happy, I'll be happy with a 10-4, man. You know, the turbos are so small that, like screaming up top, we're shifting at like 6k, 6k, 6k, 1k 5,500.
Speaker 2People don't believe me, bro, when I said dude, I shift at 5,500.
Speaker 1We've like compared it back to back.
Speaker 2It's like.
Speaker 1It's like a second difference when you shift to the air, we've never run ethanol, that's true.
Speaker 2Ethanol might hold better up top, so maybe maybe just 93. The turbo is like you, can't you?
Speaker 1can't. 93 sucks Past 5,500. I wish, I wish we could be like Brazil and just all the cars would run on ethanol.
Speaker 2You know that.
Speaker 1The whole, every car in Brazil runs on E100.
Speaker 2What.
Speaker 1That's nice.
Speaker 2They probably have like some fast colors down there.
Speaker 1It's for like bro, it's for the environment. Oh, this is more sustainable.
Speaker 2I thought this is touch-free.
Speaker 1There's some poverty addition. Well, it is I literally oh, anyways, Okay. Oh, it's still poverty this next part.
Speaker 2Anna did this because she wants us to talk about the SuperMore, even though you guys hate when we talk about the B58. But specifically about our Supra, the questions are frame a little weird. But like, how's the Super doing now? Like it sounds like it's not doing well, but it's just been running and I'm well. Okay. I don't know if you guys know, but we talked about the Super last time. How I got it from Alex. If you guys want to know the whole story behind that, just go watch that episode with Alex and Hussain. But I mean I he sucks. Okay, let me cut in here.
Speaker 1I daily drive this car. No, let me cut in here. Okay, this man will spend money just for the clout on a top mount kit, but he will not spend the money for a manifold. Now for those of you who are VR30 owners or people just don't know, doing manifolds on a B58 is like the same as doing the heat exchanger on a Q50.
Speaker 2The manifold is what helps with IATs on those cars right, Except for four or five times the price of a heat exchanger.
Speaker 1Whatever, you spent it on a top mount you, I'm not getting into that. Anyway, he finally got a manifold, and then him being the genius that he is was not. He did not have the fuel line none of the fuel line fittings and now they're waiting on the right fittings. And I'm like, bro, please put the manifold on, let's run. I mean, you're super does good for what it is, man 489 on a stock mani, stock motor with a 6466. It's pretty respectable, I think.
Speaker 2Yeah, not a lot of the 6466 cars out are even in the fours. The only one I know that's published, like they're published with times, is it's a built motor 6466 running like meth, meth, nitrous, everything.
Speaker 1We have very few mods for the times we run and I think even on the summer in what, without a manifold stock manifold like 3000 DA this guy was still running five fours. So it's repeatable. The only thing is his IAT is like what? 190.
Speaker 2Well, last time I went out I let off at 151.60. And the IAT was at 180. And then, when you let off, it like spikes up to like over 200.
Speaker 1I mean it goes down quick, but I love it. I love when they do this to their cars and then they're like If I keep flooring it.
Speaker 2I'll definitely blow it, but yeah, yeah, so can't do that. No more, you got the manifold.
Speaker 1So now we're just waiting on the fuel lines to get done. Now he can run. So hopefully we see like a what do you think you'll drop with a manifold, bro? And I don't think it's going to be that much better and good DA, because good DA is cold, no matter what. But technically the manifold is supposed to flow better too. Yeah. Well maybe you'll pick up like a 10th or something, I don't know. Anyway, so super is good.
Speaker 2I'll be happy if it makes like a clean 800 horsepower.
Speaker 1Yeah, so, and I guess someone asked about the Atco SummerSlam event last year, so we did take the super there and, just like Alex other Alex Mooney refused to put proper supporting mods on the car, so we took it there with a stock valve cover.
Speaker 2I don't think he know he. He didn't do his research and he didn't do his research.
Speaker 1He put a 6466, had me tune it, made like 780 and like yo let's go. And then he's just like smoking down the track and realized that the valve cover blew.
Speaker 2And then so, with no catch, no, no, no ventilation, no clean case. This is bad.
Speaker 1So he he's like I don't want to run at this car, so unreliable. And then he was like getting ready to sell it instead of like fixing it up after Atco. And then Chodong bought it. But Chodong doesn't like doing digs, he's a baby.
Speaker 2Well, I don't want to break it.
Speaker 1My axles are going to be ready.
Speaker 2He's got upgraded axles, he just needs a drive shaft. I don't have axles. We thought we did, but we looked under the car and it's not.
Speaker 1Other stock. Okay, fine, Whatever, he's afraid of breaking shit. Yo, I broke like four axles in the S8 already, so like you know, whatever. But to be fair, when I break an axle it's him who has to wait for the toe, not me. So anyway, he's afraid to run it up from a dig. So we don't know what it would do on a dig. I think like low nines probably it should trap what 150 is easy.
Speaker 2You know, I think they trapped 145, boss that we went when Alex took it out.
Speaker 1Yeah, and that was on a bad launch and, yeah, blowing some it should be like. I think like 150 at least.
Speaker 2So yeah, it would be like low nines yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, but yeah, we're never going to dig it, so we won't know.
Speaker 2We'll just keep doing the street car. We'll keep doing big, big runs.
Speaker 1It is a fun roll race car and I think it brings us a lot of attention.
Speaker 2That's the next thing and I asked do?
Speaker 1we ever plan on getting back? No, we're never going to take it to a track event man.
Speaker 2Like how long has it been performing on the streets of Mexico? And?
Speaker 1yeah, it's been doing good. Why does everyone instigate races for Well? Because I never do it, and everybody else Yo he's so calm. And then so we hype him up and we go instigate races, and then it, you know he doesn't like it. And then sometimes we instigate races, some casted backfires.
Speaker 2Yeah, some of them are backfires. You don't know who they're talking to. And then we get hustled. Yeah, because everybody cast about their setup, you know.
Speaker 1And we don't because, like, even if we wanted to cap, it's all on Instagram.
Speaker 2So like, oh, yeah, we can't lie about our numbers. When we post it, everybody can just look it up, right?
Speaker 1Because it's a shop car.
Speaker 2That's also why people call me out a lot because they know exactly what I run.
Speaker 1So they only call them out when they can beat them, which is kind of lame.
Speaker 2The second somebody runs a faster 6130 than me, and then they instantly call me out.
Speaker 1People get into like deep fours, almost kind of three. Like, hey, yo, I want to race the Racebox Supra. It's like, bro, like a whole second faster. Like why are you picking on the small guy? Yeah, okay, you know, I mean for that reason sometimes I wish that we would do more with the Supra, but like, also, it's his daily and I don't want to deprive him of having a reliable daily.
Speaker 2This is a shop car like you have that you bought like the Z. I mean, we've been low for a second. We're full send. Like the Z is going to get full sent.
Speaker 1But Supra can stay reliable. For him, I mean manifold should help.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, a lot, especially in this weather. But that's moving on to for you now.
Speaker 1My four broken axles yeah your SA, your Audi's.
Speaker 2So your SA, what's your general opinion on the car so far?
It's the best car I've ever owned Like by far. I didn't think I would like it as much. So the story behind that is I was looking I think I don't know if I mentioned actually I know even back then I was looking at a new car and I was like Mo's, like bro, get a 340, like a G20, M340i.
Speaker 1I was looking at price. I mean, these used car prices are ridiculous. People wanted like 45k, 50k for a used M340i. I was like hell, no, things are not worth that much and so I didn't want that. So then I started looking at M550s which have the N63. And those were priced way up because I wanted the M550s that were newer, with iDrive. What is it? I drive seven, right, the newest is iDrive 8. So iDrive 7. Nice, nice. I wanted the iDrive 7 ones because you know they have all the technology and I like my like self driving and crap like that. And so I went on the driver assistance pro package and I just couldn't get it. Very good price. So I was like, well, that doesn't work.
Speaker 1So then, for whatever reason, I just looked up S6s and I knew nothing about like the 4.0 platform Back then. Back then, yeah, and I was like, oh, you know, s6s are cool cars and you know they come with that cool interior, not custom, but like the individual interior options and all that. So I looked at some S6s and I was like yo, these are okay, but like yo, I'm just curious, what does an S8 go for, right? And then I just I was like I rabbit hole Like I started looking at the S8 and I'm like yo, the S8's better in every single way it's. The S6 is not that much lighter. For one thing they're pretty heavy. I mean the S8's about like it's 4,700 pounds empty. It's like with me and a full thing of gas is like easily tipping $5,000.
Speaker 2Cars almost 5,000 pounds.
Speaker 1You got to ride in it to, really you got to tell me this story.
Speaker 2When you first got the car and when you were first tuning and running the car, you were arguing with people online about the weight of your car.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, man, it was like an X4 ST guys yeah.
Speaker 2You're car weighs almost as much so.
Speaker 1I don't know. I'm sure the guys most of our customers are like on the. There's like a Facebook page, draggy Talk, where everybody posts Draggy Talks, right. And there's like all these X4 ST guys who are like showing and I had an X4 ST, so I think it's a terrible car, but I I had it for my wife. She hated it, I hated it.
Speaker 2I tuned it, it was your, it was your comment against the, the ST that got all the ST boys yeah.
Speaker 1So, like you know, yeah, but like Explorer STs suck, they're not fast and these guys are putting tons of money into them and they're like, like. And then you have Kyle with like Half as much money not even like a quarter of the money into his x3 m40i I and he's gapping all those Explorer STs like by far, like there's upgraded turbo Explorer STs that lose to a stock.
Speaker 2Oh, it's wasting boost of V8.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's not even comparison, it's just a stupid car, and so these guys I wouldn't care like everyone can enjoy whatever car they want, right? Oh, is that the? What the hell did he turn on?
Speaker 2the Z oh.
Speaker 1Anyways, anyways, yeah, I gotta know, because they're posting only slow times and I'm like you know what, whatever so, and they're like, oh I, their defense for why their STs were slow and why was impressive, like, oh, they're heavy. So I'm like, oh, they're heavy, all right, bet, let's post the s8 running like a 10 for stock turbos on e40, right. And I posted that and I was like, well, I think I said something like Still better than an ST, or something, or, or or no. I said I said faster and heavier than an ST. That was my comment in the draggy talk post that I made. And all these guys guess I'm like now it's not. And they're like arguing like, bro, I have the car, like you have both cars yeah.
Speaker 1I've had both, but literally and then I even went and I found like this guy was like going after me and I went and I found the window sticker for my freakin Explorer ST. I'm like, look, this thing was lighter than my s8. And he still wouldn't believe me. And he's like, oh, that's not right. Well, I'm like, okay, man, I'm not, I'm not arguing this anyway. So, yeah, I, it's the best car I've ever owned, I. So I got.
Speaker 1So I was, I found the deep rabbit hole and I found out that the s8 actually has. So the s6 and s7 as well, as well as the a8, all have the high compression version of the 4o with smaller turbos, which just it's from what what I researched is not as reliable when you go high boost. However, there are some really fast s6 and s7s and I tuned them and you know, for the most part there's not much of a difference. But I just wanted I was like you know what I want, the r7 motor and the s8 has the lower compression r7 motor with the bigger turbos, and the s8 comes with the zf8, which the s6 and s7 don't, and I wanted the zf8. I didn't want a DCT.
Speaker 2So I'll say you have a stronger version of the f8.
Speaker 1Yeah, the zf8 takes a lot of it takes a lot of abuse.
Speaker 1So, yeah, and then I looked at, you know, I looked at our seven prices and To a certain extent I kind of wish that we did get an r7, because we've gotten way more club. Like every I see, like 2014 r7, like not even an r7 performance I'm anything fans like a base model r7 and they'll get crazy Attention and the essay like no one. They look so sick. Yeah, no one gives the s8 a second thought, right, and it's like, well, you know, for a shop car, no, no, no, I'm not regretting it, but I did, for that reason, kind of have a tinge of regret. But I think I got really lucky with the s8 I bought too.
Speaker 1So we me and Mo were looking and we saw all these listings and there's one in Dallas. I've been sitting on the lot for like 180 days and I'm like you know why is this one not selling? Right? And it has some cool features, like it has a. It has a very rare interior, the Vermont Brown interior package. It's fully loaded, except for night vision, and it was high mileage. But, like you could tell from the pictures that the car had been well taken care of and that it was all like highway miles Because it was a always service at the dealer and, like you know, like it was like three it has.
Speaker 1It has service history every 5,000 miles for that and it was at 80 83 84,000 miles when I bought it, and so I was like yo that's pretty good for an 80,000 mile car. The interior was in perfect condition, you know. No, no tears in the leather. The side bolsters were good.
Speaker 2Previous like four, s is all around.
Speaker 1Yeah yeah, the previous owner had had ps4 is all around.
Speaker 2Yeah, man, we ran the hell all those tires, yeah, we were cutting one sixes while those things were sparking. We ran the 93 times like 10 seven. Oh yeah, tires wall was like cold as hell. Yeah we're crab walking on that car with with the tires sparking on the ground. Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1We did the six, six, nine, one six, one thirty, with those tires I'm reporting.
Speaker 2He was like he was following me when I did that. You can see like tires sparking it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1I think I got a video of it too at some point. But so that car's been so much fun for me, man, but I Just I, you know, I was like you know what. This just feels right. Sometimes you just see a car like you, I really wanted, I got really into it.
Speaker 1It has a, it has a nice color that they no longer have, which is moonlight blue, which is it's a really nice. It's like black, black blue in the sun. I got a nice flake to it and it had PPF on the whole front and I'm like you know, you know whole front PPF. They either ordered that from factory or they got it done. Either way, they cared about this car and then you could see that and this is normally a negative it had a lot of rock chips, right, but at 80,000 miles rock chips just means this thing was always highway driven. So I was like, yeah, I'm gonna take a. You know, I'll take a, take a gamble on this car. I'm sure it's well-maintained and I got it and it's been flawless, man, like it's taken all the abuse we've thrown at it. I do, we've done what like 250 draggy.
Speaker 2So I have like confirmed like 150 plus draggy launches, like a full quarter mile runs.
Speaker 1Oh my, that doesn't include when I go out, doesn't include all the roll race nights.
Speaker 2And then there's 61 30s. We've done a ton of those because we really kind of push out for a while, because yeah, it's been reliable.
Speaker 1man, yeah, yeah for for an older German car. That's like really.
Speaker 2Old but like. 2016 is not like if you look at the tack inside like the interior is from 2011. I'm starting to age.
Speaker 1It's a 2011 a8 interior right, which is still really nice, but it was really nice in 2011 but, like in 2016, it was probably still okay. But in 2023 you're like bro, you know you, you want a few more, a few more creature comforts, I guess. But the one thing I will say is that car is, like it's solid man Like you, if you have not driven an s8 and you own a Q50, like, go drive an s8, you will. You will fall in love because it's everything the Q50 isn't. It's. It's it handles better than the Q50, which is funny considering it's like heavier, bigger thousand.
Speaker 1Yeah, like over a thousand pounds heavier. Right, it's longer, it's wider.
Speaker 1It's a little chassis setup yeah it's so comfortable, like with the air suspension, it's the most comfortable car I have. Even it's more comfortable than my new rse tron GT with a suspension yeah, way more comfortable than in CS e-tron with the. She also has air suspension. I don't know, man, it's just it's probably the long wheelbase helps a lot, but it is also. The 26 of the D4 s8s were all short wheelbase. The new D5 s8s are all on the long wheelbase, so I'm sure they handle a little bit differently, but I Don't know how to explain it. Man, like that car it's crazy, it's. It's 90,000 miles has no rattles. My brand new Audi has rattles, but my 90,000 mile Audi has zero rattles. You know?
Speaker 1and that's after hard launches, like they don't make them like they used to. Yeah, yeah, I sound like a boomer, but I kind of feel that way, man, yeah, I don't know. The only thing I will say is, after adding the inner chiller During this summer, which was especially bad, I did notice that the AC sometimes, when it was like a hundred and fifteen outside, I was like you know, I'm a little hot, you know, but Can I really complain? Like every car is hot at that point like I, you know, and I drove other cars. I'm like, okay, everyone's car, the AC just doesn't get cold it and I might commute seven minutes to home. So like I can't really complain If the car is not getting cold in seven minutes, right, yeah, you guys sit in traffic all day, I know. So, yeah, I talked a lot. That was like a. That was a lot of those verbal diarrhea, but I love my assay. I'll put up a little bit on the Audi.
Speaker 2But okay, I'm gonna skip all that because I kind of pretty much yeah, I did exceed it all. My.
Speaker 1There's a question here about how, how it ran versus my expectations it's. It's exceeded all my expectations. And then also, how is it compared to the competitors? Or what is its biggest competitor? I think the essay, yeah, no, I think the M5 and five. I would say I would say the essay biggest competitors are the M5, yeah, um, m5, and then the S63 or an E 63. Really I think the S60, the E 63 is kind of small compared to an essay. The M5 is small compared to an essay, but it's also they don't make an M7, so I can't really compare an M7 right but the DL and I would definitely say that, like the essay is like the Goldilocks car.
Speaker 1It's like an S63 is two locks Okay, not in a bad way, it's just, it's just very luxurious, right. And then the M5 is like very much, it's like you know it is a sports car. The essay it's like right at right into it's like just right, it's like you know it's. It's still got that like I Don't know what's the right word for it. It's got like that brute feeling in it, but it's still very comfortable. I think the essay kind of just fits in its own category once tuned.
Speaker 2The most surprising thing to people is the way it pulls off the off like a 40-year-old. So yeah, even even Alex and Kyle, they've been the fast cars, they driven fast cars that have fast cars. I took a mouth once after it's all done and tune on F and I, everything. It was like whoa, for deep in the car. Somebody else was in the car too, yeah, but for deep in the car. And they're like, oh, break, boost it. I'm like I 40 all break, boost, like. And I do in third gear. So it's like I'd rather lower our came, yeah, or kicks in. And then when I kicked in there, like I was ready for they were not, they were like this like it always gets you by surprise.
Speaker 1The car always crab walks like I it just it's got so much torque that you always have to correct the steering Just a little bit, no matter how how good the traction is, even on track. And and speaking of that, will I ever take it to a track? Yeah, maybe I'm afraid of breaking axle. Man I've broken so many.
Speaker 2I don't want to do digs anymore. What's a running should be?
Speaker 1yeah, so we finally put. So. Now that I have a new daily with the e-tron which, by the way, electric cars are great dailies now that I have a new daily, I put I finally put the stage one turbos and and meth in the car, so now we can run hopefully higher ethanol content with some supplemental methanol feeling and then see what it does. So it'll be fun. Ronnie should be finishing that up soon, so he said today, so we'll see you soon.
Speaker 1If he finishes it, he's gonna go run a six to one tomorrow final question for the essay what's what's dong's favorite flavor of Audi coolant?
Speaker 2I Hate you, so do we even want to get it? Dude, we're 30 minutes into this and we're still on your own.
Speaker 1your out, okay so these are metal Reservoir tanks that I fabricated or I had fabricated, rather, I designed and then had fabricated for the essay prior to this. They were what seven revisions?
Speaker 2of 3d printed plastic. Grab one so.
Speaker 1With the inner chiller. What we realized was we needed extra coolant capacity because we would run through you know whatever's in the lines very quickly and so, and obviously there, the AC turns off during a full pole, right, so I had, I designed a place to put these like 1.5 gallon reservoir tanks. Unfortunately, they would eventually over pressurized these are.
Speaker 2These are repaired.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's like easily epoxy all around anyway. So it's it all has. I don't ever want to see these ever again Literally drank out equal like probably seven or eight times when he's been like trying to repair one of these and they just burst on him.
Speaker 1Yep because I give him a new set and they burst immediately when installing Because there was too much pressure and so I had these metal ones made and he hasn't had to do it since. But that was a good time. That's what. Like three months of you just drinking coolant every morning.
Speaker 2More did Sat. For a little bit it did, but we can.
Speaker 1Skip it. Yeah, I'm gonna skip to the park, as I saw unless you guys have more questions about you, so then I can answer that later.
Speaker 2You can get.
Speaker 1We can get into a little bit about you, especially when it comes to tuning you use in the future of tuning for so there actually is a tune for the e-tron's and the Porsche Taycans and all that, and I've Because the e-tron's based on the type, or sorry, the e-tron GT is based on the Taycan. But I Really want to do it, but I don't want to mess with my daily and Each one's a great shop car for you to develop stuff on.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, you should have at least what hella clout?
Speaker 1Yeah, we took it. We took it the cars and coffee and I got mad at these guys. They don't want to park in VIP. I'm like bro, we have like the only Z that comes to cars and coffee. We have a G80 car.
Speaker 2We have an RS-Tron GT Bro. Quick tangent about this. I hate events like cars and coffee sometimes because they're such elitist jerks like they don't care about. They don't care about tuner cars, don't care about modified cars, they don't care about wheels.
Speaker 1You know what would make them care. What you know what make them care If you took your brand new Z to VIP so people could see tuner cars.
Speaker 2No, you're the problem. No, because they will. They will deny even though they won't like.
Speaker 1No, they want. They move the cones for us to bring it. He wouldn't come in what yes, the guy was moving the cones last time when he pulled up, pulled out, pulled up when we were pulling in, he moved the cones for us to turn in, but you didn't want to go, so we all kept going straight.
Speaker 2I don't remember this. I thought they don't even like cars like that. No, they do.
Speaker 1But anyways most. Also, if you rolled in with the e-tron and the G80 comp, they put a base G80 in there.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1They would have put a G80 comp. Anyway, it gets clubbed. So EV cars are fun. You can tune them Basically. All you're doing is increasing the discharge rate and just going to give it all the beans Right. It's kind of like the best comparison is like throwing all the boost at a turbo and just letting the car eat. Except in this case it's just discharging the batteries as fast as you can and throwing all the power at the motors.
Speaker 1So there is ways, but they're going to avoid warranties and I'm sure EV. So electric cars are already with the batteries and stuff. You know that's the most expensive part about replacing them. So I'm sure there will be a heavy cost associated with tuning your EVs right. But that's essentially what Tesla does right, like ludicrous mode on the P100Ds before. Now we have the Model S Plaid and all that. But before the Plaid, ludicrous mode was a software unlock. It wasn't anything else, it was just. It was basically a tune for an electric car, right, and so I think we will see a lot of tuning options for EVs. It's just a matter of like whether manufacturers are going to be okay with that, how quickly they deny your warranty, like you know. I'm sure if I do this to my Audi and then something happens, they're going to be, like you know, warranty denied.
Speaker 1They'll probably like plug something in, and then you see that oh and I can totally see like manufacturers being like oh well, because you messed with the power you know, power delivery, I guess right Of the of the motors and the battery. If you have some other like unrelated electrical issue which a lot of these EV cars have, where they have like infotainment issues or random electrical problems, they'll probably just deny it and be like, well, you mess with this and we don't know how that affected because everything's connected right, it's all electric. So I can see that being a problem. But I mean, I think I think EV cars are fun. I think if you hate EVs, you really got to drive one man Like I understand that there's no sounds, there's no, you know, there's no engine, there's none of that. But there's so much fun to drive like that instant torque, like what. Do you think you've driven all the fast cars, you have a force.
Speaker 2I haven't driven your. Yeah, you have each one.
Speaker 1You haven't driven it, but you've been in it.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1What do you think of like different?
Speaker 2It just slams you, I will. Okay, I know I will never get on board with it, because you know I'm a rice or a hard. I have to have he would rather have.
Speaker 1He would rather have a 15 second, yeah, a 15 second civic SI than have a fast electric car.
Speaker 2Yeah, I would, I would. It's just not the same dude. It's just not like as I go, I guess that type of car person I am like I have to have internal combustion and room room noise.
Speaker 1He sucks. Don't listen to him. Go drive an EV, see how you like it. I'm not like a shitty one. Not like a Kia EV6 or something. No, I honestly, honestly um was a gobin, drove a Model S flat and he was like oh yeah, he was like, bro, this is so much fun.
Speaker 2That's a stock four seconds 60, 130. It's crazy. It's mid to high. It would gap you stock Like like a random person In his DA. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1Yeah, a random person who just bought a model S, flat off the street lined up against him, doesn't know how to race. Lets him get to that, get the hit and everything would still gap his 800 horsepower super.
Speaker 2That's twice the price of the super though.
Speaker 1It's not. They dropped the price.
Speaker 2Now it's not that it's so 100 grand.
Speaker 1Bro, they're 80K. A model S flat is like 80, 89k. I think starting that's not bad, it's a great value proposition. Yeah, super, you're going to buy for 60K new.
Speaker 2Yeah, like 50, used yeah, 50 or a high 40.
Speaker 1And you're going to add, you're going to add 20K to get the 800 horsepower reliably, a model S flat will still gap you. Yeah, I will say, though it's, it's not the same. The Audi doesn't feel dead but the model S flat does. And it's weird because the model, the model S with the track pack or whatever on paper actually outperforms a lot of like really good track cars, but it just doesn't feel like you're like when you're driving it it still just feels dead. Right, and the e-tron is less so because they kind of made it so it feels like a heavy grand tour.
Speaker 1And you know, which is another thing, it's they're very heavy Like you can't. You really do feel the weight when you're taking the cars around corners fast and stuff like that. You feel the weight all the time. So that's one thing. That's one challenge that unless there's, like you know, revolutionary battery technology, I think EVs are always like fast EVs that have like decent range are always going to just be pigs and it's going to be hard. But you know, most of us are straight line guys, so in a straight line they're fun. I don't know what I. What else can we really talk about with EVs, bro?
Speaker 2Really much until we see more of them out there. I mean, we need to see ones that are tunable, right?
Speaker 1Yeah, I think we haven't gotten there yet, but when we do it, what are you looking at?
So I was the next part of the podcast. I had an idea of answering some of our, some of our questions on our YouTube comments.
Speaker 1Okay, let's do it so my most recent video.
Speaker 2I mean, I have a pull it up, but I can also you can also pull it up too, but let me read this one. So the most recent one we got is. So it's a question about the AMS intercoolers RZ, for example. Is it, is it worth it? Or oh, I think he's asking what the inner chiller? Is it still worth it to upgrade intercoolers?
Speaker 1on the car.
Speaker 2I think that's what he's asking.
Speaker 1Thanks for the info, man, you're welcome. One question AMS interchillers will be worthy, or stock intercoolers with interchillers? Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, he's asking. He's asking whether you do the AMS. Yeah, man, they're definitely worth it, they're still cool they still like.
Speaker 1They're just much better at heat transfer, right. So all you're doing with the interchillers you're adding cooler fluid for them to use, but they're still that much better at transferring the heat. Over that you will see better gains and better charge air temps overall through a pole or I guess more stable is a better word like a better transfer of heat back to the fluid. With the inner, with the AMS intercoolers. So 100% I would say definitely get the one and we'll have some data from our old Z versus the new Z now with the intercoolers, now that the interchillers on, so we can, we can show some data on that.
Speaker 2And the next another question. I guess we kind of talked about this not in just podcast videos, but can you explain the differences between the Z turbos and just the regular Z turbos are smaller.
Speaker 1They die off way earlier. Like a Q 50 will hold on 93, about 400 horsepower to redline. A Z will not. The Z is like down to 350, 360. And if you want more you really have to roast the turbos, which you know. Obviously we don't want to do so. The Z turbos are small and I remember Z one was one of the first people to tell us about that before the Z was released, when they had gotten their hands on the long blocks and they had said, yeah, the turbos are a little bit smaller so they spool quicker Like we had. We had a lot of trouble early on, not trouble, but like it was, it exceeded our expectations. The car will make torque really easily. So compared to a Q, you have to really work it in to ramp it in a lot slower than what we did on the Q because the turbos will spool right off the head. So it makes for nice launches and you know that's why they launch pretty hard, I think.
Speaker 2But for a Q.
Speaker 1Q's launch just as hard when we tune them like that. But either way, the turbos are smaller so they spool faster and die off quicker up top. That's the main difference. I don't think there's. I don't think they're any better or worse in any other regard other than that, yeah, I mean they, they still Nissan quality. I mean they still smoke. I mean so, like our last Z, on the same exact set of, had zero smoke right, this one with less miles on it, it smokes and it's like we're way nicer to this one.
Speaker 1Yeah, we were we like yeah, you know what? Because I think we're stupid, because I don't break in cars. This is proof that you shouldn't break in cars.
Speaker 2So tune them on stock, complete stock, and we ran those turbos with complete stock exhaust for a while before that could have been it to the but then you know, we put downpipes on immediately. We didn't do any of that. So the first he took more beating the stock was more beating, yeah, and and didn't smoke at all.
Speaker 1Yeah, these ones suck, it's just QC in the sound quality control, as always, bro. Like you know, we had all hoped that they would do better with the Z, but I don't think they will. But at least they dropped the price of blocks.
Speaker 2Yeah, oh, I think space if you all boom your blocks.
Speaker 1it's cheaper now. Hopefully, use blocks go down, so you know all those porous blocks and stuff can be replaced for cheaper. Now I'm waiting to see a porous block on the Z. I know it's going to happen.
Speaker 2Really, I'm sure someone's going to have a pause. You think after how many years?
Speaker 1It's a decade, you know if they were going to fix it, they would have fixed it on the Q's. Think about it. They're not selling more Z's than they ever sold Q's.
Speaker 2Wouldn't they want to fix all the issues they have on Q's with VR 30? When they release the Z?
Speaker 1But they're not selling that much. If the sales numbers didn't justify it for a Q, why would the Z sales numbers justify it? They're selling way less Z's.
Speaker 2It's like they're a flagship sports car. They have to make sure it's good.
Speaker 1Yeah, the marketing worked. That's all that matters. They don't care about what they're doing.
Speaker 2Just like the little lift pulley that they release.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, finally, All of a sudden, they'll be like oh, belts are a problem.
Speaker 2It takes releasing a new car. We've been saying it for like six years, yeah.
Speaker 1Ridiculous.
Speaker 2Another thing about the Z. This is one of the comments that I already answered, but this is, I guess it's worth talking about. You know how on the Q50s there's the AMS sells a regular and a race heat exchanger. It's a smaller and a bigger one because it maximized the use of the space in the bumper. But I don't think people understand that. A lot of people haven't seen what's under the Z.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, the heat exchangers don't fit.
Speaker 2There's no space. Yeah, so people were asking if we had the regular AMS heat exchanger versus the race one on RZ.
Speaker 1They only have one heat exchanger for the Z. There's no race heat exchanger yet.
Speaker 2I don't think there's space to put a bigger one.
Speaker 1Yeah, the Z's got a long nose, so like it's cool because we can fit our little interchillar block there right.
Speaker 2But it's not, which is a lot narrower, the same Z34 chassis from the 270Z and there's extra cool stuff in the way it's a parts of in special yeah. Well, at least they didn't. There's no the facelifted Z34.
Speaker 1Oh, God I spit. It's a facelifted Z34 with a VR30.
Speaker 2I mean, I guess that's the only way they can develop the car without going to someone else for the drivetrain or Toyota, yeah, or going bankrupt because they're not doing well.
Speaker 2But yeah, like there's extra coolers in the way and it's a lot less space, like horizontally, to fit anything. So if I mean, if AMS can come out with an option to get an even bigger corner, I don't know how they will. Yeah, I know I'll be cool, because it did take well two, three years for AMS to do the race one since the first one came out.
Speaker 1No, even long enough. They go out the first heat exchanger a long time ago. It's been a while. So maybe in a few years we'll see, maybe. I mean I know I know AMS plans to develop a lot for the Z, so I hope that sales numbers get better. I hope that people buy a lot of Nizmos and that Nissan Ups production of the Z's and that we see more of them on the street, because they're a beautiful car.
Speaker 2A fender tank would be nice for love, yeah, if someone could make us a fender tank please. Z1, AMS, anybody.
Speaker 1So I don't have to 3D print them and have him eat coolant. I should 3D print one and have you eat coolant.
Speaker 2Huh.
Speaker 1Please don't you can taste.
Nissan coolant AMS Z1, anybody please make one, please, before you make some go down that route again. Another comment they were asking about the Z1 intakes for the Z. But I believe that Z1 intakes are stock math housing because they said no tumor required on their website.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean the Boosted 6 are also stock math housing and they surprised us, so I'd like to test it, but apparently I can't test open hood of Modano, so I guess I won't do it again.
Speaker 2You can't call your customers stupid.
Speaker 1Whatever, that guy's never going to buy a tune from us anyway, yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, more exhaust questions like 3 inch versus 4 inch, yeah.
Speaker 1Testing a cat-back doable. We could test like a 2 and a half.
Speaker 2You want me to read you the question that the guy asked.
Speaker 1No, oh, I've already read that one.
Speaker 2No it's fine. It's so many things we have to do to make this happen, bro. Yeah, I know. And 93 versus E38. We'd like to try it. We'd like to try it Honestly. We'd like to try it.
Speaker 1We just don't have a manpower man. Maybe, I don't know, maybe if we ever really board for a couple days and we have no work, we'll do that, but I don't see that happening. I think that will take more than a couple of days.
Speaker 2We have cars lined up out the shop all the time. Yeah, I think that will take more than a couple of days.
Speaker 1Like to work on my own cars. I've waited what? Three months to get any of my cars touched, because we've just been back to back. This is the first break we've had where two of my cars are being worked on at the same time right now.
Speaker 2Yeah, finally the shop cars get to go.
Speaker 1Someone buy our old Q50. It's got 8,000 miles to 2021. Never abused, adult driven. It's got a new motor in it.
Speaker 2That's, that's good.
Speaker 1Someone buy it please. Anyways, memorabilia you can be like, yeah, it's a race park, yeah, I'll sign, I'll sign the head.
Speaker 2Obsessed with anything. Who's saying bro?
Speaker 1I guess, it's weird.
Speaker 2It is weird like when I first came into this company I didn't think it'd be like that. Like I'm not. It's not like I'm working for like a huge, like really one-off shop of like a Celebrity as a owner. I'm really not, I guess, within this, within the community, you are.
Speaker 1I was nice. That's the nicest thing, honestly, ego, where they say happy birthday to like. Those little community posts are so cute. The Audi community did it for me.
Speaker 2I like the, like the poor.
Speaker 1All groups wrote a happy birthday for me yeah. I was sweet in the Audi group, yeah.
Speaker 2What is nice? I'm not doubting you, but I damn, I thought like that's.
Speaker 1I was surprised. I was like, oh cool, I didn't know I had an impact in here.
Speaker 2I Like the poster mark made on a.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, it's like yeah, with all the pictures of us of from echo your I think you were piggyback Ready is that even the right term? Yeah, this is a noble steed. Yeah, fun times. But yeah, I think we're out of things to talk about. Yeah, I really don't know what direction to take this podcast in. Like, I feel like we can only do questions and talk about.
Speaker 2So much before.
Speaker 1It's like you need a. You need a larger audience.
Speaker 2The last, last time we talked about like we can invite, we invite people other than race box guys.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm in here to talk but we should think of like other topics to talk about. You guys honestly stop suggesting stuff like questions. I know you guys want to hear and we can have a Q&A segment, so we'll keep that going where we do like a VR 30 race box Q&A. Give us ideas on what you'd like to hear us talk about. Or if you're like you know, I don't want to hear your opinions on anything, shut up, you're saying that's cool. Like give me facts you want to hear. Like I'll read up on topics that you're curious about. Like you're like hey, this Strangely related automotive thing, can you look into it and explain it to me? Like I'd love, I'd love to Read things and learn more, man, and then talk about them. So yeah, give us ideas.
Speaker 2I have a question for you.
Speaker 1What.
Speaker 2What? What is it next? What's another platform? Your, uh, you will like to tune, work it into that's still.
Speaker 1That's still race box related, bro, but I'll answer it. That's not what I was getting at.
Speaker 2I'm saying like it's like, I've been wondering like we done, like we don't be out dirty for a while.
Speaker 1Obviously, b58s to you know I've pondered this because, like any good business owner should you think about what's next, right yeah and so here's the problem. Right, I'd love to do more American cars like you know Chevy stuff like that. Yeah, lt 4s, lt 1s, LF 4s, I love to.
Speaker 1There are a lot of fun and HB tuners are such a great, I like. I understand why they all rave about HP tuners for GM cars specifically, because it's just, it's a very nice complete software. But there's just too much competition on the American side and also there's that stigma of hey, he's you know, and he's a Nissan tuner, he can't tune it.
You know V8 guys. Yeah, there's people like oh, he's a, he's a.
Speaker 1VQ tuner, tuning my car, I'm like, first of all, I don't do. I mean I do tune VQs, but they're referencing, you know, q50s, q60s are not VQs.
Speaker 2And then I All the VQ boys are crying right now.
Speaker 1I mean it's fine boosted VQ is something where we are getting into that. But it's one of those where you really have to Work with a shop that does good kits. And so, dms, we work with them and we tune their boosted VQs right and we'll tune anybody that comes like, hey, I have a boosted VQ we want to tune, but it's not something. I actively push. The GTR scenes, you know it's oh, it's overdone in my opinion. It's too many people I don't want to get into that. I tune them. For you know customers of mine who have gone from a Q50 to a GTR I'll come to like, hey, can you tune my GTR? I'll tune them, but I don't generally push that B58s for pushing. It's slowly growing. We know we got. We got a couple of few fast cars, eddie Eddie's pretty quick with his M240i.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah on a T3 flange If you build your motor size, the turbo, correctly. Please talk about this last time too. Oh, anyway, the Audi's I'm doing I mean there's a lot of Audi, the 4.0 cars out there. It's also it surprisingly a pretty saturated platform for tuning, though like I didn't think so when I got into it, but I'm starting to see it. It's pretty saturated, but you know it's cool. I mean I like to do those gasses are fun, again, very saturated. A lot of bandwagoning on that.
Speaker 2I think a short-term goal for base box Is it should be getting an actual fast car as a shop car and we can actually build and Do and take to actually what is everything that we have here? Slow, even the super. I'm saying like cars that runs like eight and sevens, like that'll be, like like who's gonna drive?
Speaker 1at you.
Speaker 2Anybody that want to drive it.
Speaker 1Give me suggestions for a halo car a.
Speaker 2Very tunable halo car, so for a while we will, I'll. Okay, I'm obsessed with Honda's cuz I'm fucking a rice I'm, but I always.
Speaker 1When your super releases up yeah, sell it. Get an all-wheel-drive type type, integra type, as.
Speaker 2Well, like it's not, it's not that simple or RSX type.
Speaker 1It's all our sex.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's not that simple. It's just getting one. It's a lot of work, is it?
Speaker 1by one. That's already all we'll drive, swap you.
Speaker 2That's like a lot of money, like a wall built. One won't go for pretty penny. I would actually really like an all-wheel-drive RSX that's such a dude, that's such a not just a cloud car, but those are such a such a fun platform to get into it. Such a light car, it's so nimble and you can throw a ton of power at it and with the right tuning I've used got the TRC guys on a multi with their multi-attraction control. It'd be fun.
Speaker 1I call a hook and book. I would. I would genuinely like to build a car that is on like, like standalone and just do everything with that would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2We've got multi stuff before, but it's just like we don't have like a fast, fast car that we can tune multi. That'll be. That'll be insane next year, 2024.
Speaker 1We'll do that, we'll look into that. We should have a halo car that we show up to events with, and we always have that, but like like the other thing Is the right super for that to like well, get out there and race.
Speaker 2These people are so.
Speaker 1I don't say that I would never. I would never advocate racing.
Speaker 2Yeah, but but the only on a track, the super, is not that fast when it comes, when it, when you compare to, like you know.
Speaker 1It's a good street car though.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's a good street car, I know, okay, I wouldn't use them. And, like I, you go to these meets like this, is you?
Speaker 1don't. Why don't we just build like an LS seven? Well, like a stock motor, coyotes, you know what you know, what I would actually really like and take really like to get into tuning coyotes. A Boosted coyote build would be fun. Yeah, like a gen three, not the dark.
Speaker 2It's hard, gen four.
Speaker 1It's funny, bro, it's so funny all the drama between the gen three and gen four guys. Oh my god.
Speaker 2I think a dark horse is running like 12 so, but it's gutted with higher.
Speaker 1There's one that broke into the 11th and it was like first to the 11th and I was like bro please 50s and do have to only bro. I should have commented that, oh man, coyotes would be fun.
Speaker 2Well, we, it's hard to get to not like you know, I truly you know what I truly, truly want.
Speaker 1Yeah, I wanted to 911 turbo s's or 911 turbos or an R8. I think that's for me personally, that's the next car that I personally want to like mess with and tune, just because they're they're so tunable, and you know, the stock motors are at least 911 turbo s is pretty overbuilt. The R8, the v10 is Is. It handles power pretty well, but you know, I know that once they get up there to start building, but like a turbo s man, there's turbo s's are. They're heavy. Now, though, actually I was gonna say they're light but they're pretty heavy now.
Speaker 2Yeah, they're pretty heavy now.
Speaker 1I'd like to. I'd like you know what.
Speaker 2We should buy an older turbo s like a kind of sketchy though 997 like if you make a 997 fast is not, it's a sketchy. Okay, I saw one for sale any Porsche. When you make them fast, it's sketchy. No, bro, it's bro. I mean, if you want, if you want to drive it, you want to run eight on the street like, though, the all those, all those fast Porsche's you know it's by 997 or 996 turbo s full send it. Built motor, but their turbos.
Speaker 1How do the stock motors do on those cars?
Speaker 2I don't know all the fast ones. Obviously they all have like crazy setups, but I don't really see people do like.
Speaker 1I don't know, man, I also don't know.
Speaker 2Houston that has hybrid turbos on the stock motor of the, the ESA hundred package, yeah, whatever that's. Those are pretty quick, like those would run, that's that's a 991, though right, that's a Nate guy.
Speaker 1Yeah, nate. Yeah, it's a 991. Yeah, yeah it's newer 2016. Yeah, I Don't know. I also part of me doesn't want how do I phrase this. It's a lot of money to do that for a very little gain like for a business perspective. Right, you're getting away from our, our Q50 guys aren't gonna care that we have a fast 911 turbo or a fast RSX type s.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1It also alienates your regular customer.
Speaker 2Yeah, I.
Speaker 1Really wish the Q50s and the VR 30s had like a built engine program that we could really push these cars like the four digits. That'd be fun, man, like having a bunch of eight second Q50s running around word Z's or Z's.
Speaker 2Yeah, I'll be pretty sick. Oh is an AMS doing their VR 32 or whatever.
Speaker 1I am, as is. They told me that they are working on their built engine program and one that comes out. You know I'll I'll line up to buy one man, I'd love a built engine that's reliable because it's a it's a force block.
Speaker 2That's a completely new blog.
Speaker 1I don't know, is that what?
Speaker 2they're doing, because it's not the only way to do that. I'm just like I don't think so I don't still a stock block.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's still gonna be a stock block.
Speaker 2I don't know, you know expensive. A bill block would be crazy. Just just the block probably more.
Speaker 1I would. You know who you know. I AG makes those bill blocks, Don't they? I a. G make a bill at blocks or Subaru yeah yeah, I AG watch my podcast, watch my videos and make a bill block.
Speaker 2I really fix the VR 31 comes a high because it's it's it's shitty casting.
Speaker 1It's the problem with the VR 30 is quality control and shitty casting, and so if we could resolve that, that'd be great.
Speaker 2Yeah, I don't know, I don't know what I don't know. We should end on that, just um, yeah, somebody make a force block or a 30 and can really push a platform. Give me topics to talk about yeah, other than questions, other than questions.
Speaker 1I think questions are getting boring it is, but it's boring for us to like. I Wanted I wanted this podcast to be like an outlet to talk about other things and we could kind of expand, just until and it's not even like I don't even expect us to be like hugely popular or anything like that man, I just did it because it's fun to sit and chat.
Speaker 2I still don't know if we should have done a second channel. We should have put this on main channel, like. But it affected our views, bro? I don't know, bro, like I our first podcast, even though it was really shitty.
Speaker 1Yeah, but that's because we just capitalized on all of our subscribers, like of course you're gonna get that, but eventually they would have stopped watching it like that.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Also, you gotta promote it more.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's. It's like I don't want to post all about it on our main page.
Speaker 1It's like you should, because it still is us.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1This is why I need a new marketing person. Please Find me new Gen Z.
Speaker 2Please, I quit this one's expired. We did not Gen Z a Gen Alpha. Oh God, that's the guys you need to run on tick, tocks and roll, oh bro, if you're, I don't think I could.
Speaker 1If you're a high, I think I think if we had a gen alpha, in here, I probably just never show up to work. Can we have Doug? You see Gen Z stuff.
No, really, I don't wait. 2000 hold. Is he like 15? Ronnie still Gen Z, yeah, but when does an alpha star like I don't know something bro. I don't know if you're a high schooler, you're all children older than 16. I think that's when you can start working and you want to part.
Speaker 1I mean, I had this conversation from the podcast.
Speaker 2If you want a part-time job doing tick tocks and random stuff, well, pay you more than McDonald's probably be your manager.
Speaker 1I will never talk to you.
Speaker 2I Was hoping you would talk to them, but I guess I don't like kids, bro. I like kids as in like you know, I would. I would an alpha and you were. You're a kid, yeah, but like I Don't understand your Gen Z is a hundred.
Speaker 1You should understand Gen Alpha.
Speaker 2Well, people born after 2000. I don't understand. You know, I'm like I was.
Speaker 1Yo, ronnie, I'm gonna call him right now. Tell him you're hating on him and his people born after 2000, like Ronnie. All right on that, we're out.
Speaker 2Yeah, good luck. Good night kiss. I'm not doing it though.
Speaker 1Do it.
Speaker 2No, I don't like them, do it.