Racebox: Outside the Box
Join us for a look into the daily life of Racebox! Here on our Podcast we will be discussing anything from tuning, to builds, to even our own personal lives. This is a raw and unhinged look into all things Racebox!
Racebox: Outside the Box
VR30 (NOT) dead!
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Hussain and Ana are back at it again!
This time answering all your submitted Instagram questions about VR30 and B58 platforms. If you asked on our socials, or are even just curious- here are our answers!
Podcast Updates and Car Modifications
Speaker 1Okay, well, welcome back to outside the box right.
Speaker 2We're still going with that I guess we're putting it on a new podcast channel too, because a new one.
Speaker 1Well, okay, because I learned that the algorithm doesn't like it. So if you look at our last three videos, they didn't do well because we put a podcast in the middle and the algorithm's like hey, why do you have 45 minutes of two people on a couch talking?
Speaker 2Yes, so we got to make a podcast channel. It was actually my wife's idea.
Speaker 1She's like all these big channels that I watch. They have separate channels for the podcast.
Speaker 2Oh, no shit. So we're going to be like a Buzzfeed. Buzzfeed is a podcast channel.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, we're doing a podcast channel To unsolved.
Speaker 2You should do that for like car vision.
Speaker 1What like car crimes?
Speaker 2Yeah, car crimes. It can be like a takeover episode.
Speaker 1I watched one of the first comments and you should investigate your own car fire Guarantee.
Speaker 2that's going to be the first one, bro, we tried, we really did try. She is speaking of which the new Z. What do we change this week?
Speaker 1I guess we're getting right into it. We didn't do anything because we are too busy with all of your cars. Everywhere, guys, our shop is filled with your cars. But I guess what we did so far we did coilovers, we did. You know, marcus is doing the rear camber. Arms, toe, arms can track tracks. Oh what? What happened? Oh, we have a sound guy this time, because we got good, good feedback from you guys that we were making too many pop sounds and that the mics weren't good. The mics are good.
Speaker 2It was user error. We're just stupid, yeah, very stupid.
Speaker 1So the mics are good. It sounds crystal clear now that we have these little pop filters on the front. We also have them positioned straight, so Anna can't mute herself, but she also can't move the mic too far away. So hopefully no more audio level issues.
Speaker 2We'll see.
Speaker 1But yeah. So we got a big brake kit from Z1. It got yellow calipers aside. Put the two piece rotors on front, we got front upper control arm, we got sway bars, the rear, the whole, everything in the back. Rudy's gonna align it and then I think we're gonna do the single legs, we're gonna toss it back on as we should and, yeah, we'll see what we do. Hopefully just go straight to E this time and don't bother with 93.
Speaker 2We already did a good job with 93. So awesome, so we're chilling. So far, this is good yeah we're chilling.
Speaker 1We got a nice look. We even got a nice table. We got the race box. I don't know what this is.
Speaker 2Oh, it's from our tent.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's a wall from our tent, or like one of the walls. We got Mantis chilling on top of a black Supra. She really prefers BMWs, yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, she's a B58 girl. She always goes straight to the Supra. They got like four of them up there.
Speaker 1That's how you know she's Chadan's girl.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, you know Chadan doesn't love her. He's afraid of the Mantis.
Speaker 1Chadan is very afraid of Mantis. I'm very afraid of the Mantis. We made a joke that like if Ana didn't work here, Mantis didn't stand a chance. But we would have seen that and smashed it immediately Like there was no chance she was gonna survive. So Ana saved the bug's life.
Speaker 2She's full. Now, though we fed her what Chick-fil-A Popeyes. She had Barbecoa today.
Speaker 1This bug is wild.
Speaker 2Don't worry, we feed her like beetles and stuff too. That's what they're dying is supposed to be, but we found out she likes Popeyes, so that's cool, I'm worried that it's just gonna die one day from all the crap they feed her. Do you see how fat she is? She's wealthy.
Speaker 1I just don't want her to grow wings. Did you know, mantis can fly, guys she has wings.
Speaker 2She had her malt and she grew wings over the weekend that me and Chadan were at meats and stuff came back and she was like triple the size.
Speaker 1If I see that thing flying around, I'm swatting it.
Speaker 2Bro, the weird thing, she doesn't do anything, she just sits and watches, climbs around every so often, so it's like a super and then she's chill, terrifying. Okay, she's a good chupette. What are we talking about?
Speaker 1today, other than Zee All right, that's the update on the Zee. I don't have any other updates on the Zee.
Speaker 2Nothing so far. Just, we'll take it to FL2K, though.
Speaker 1So hopefully we'll have it full. We're in the 10-5 index. We sent us up for a FL2K 10-5.
Speaker 2I think I might have put us in 9-5. Oh God, yeah, we're not doing 9-5.
Speaker 1We'll be in the 10-5 index and we will hopefully be out there racing the Zee.
Speaker 2So see how it does when we get there.
Speaker 1We got our club beadlocks in from OSS4. It was nice NKRPF1 beadlocks.
Speaker 2They're sexy. We got, we got did we buy those tires.
Speaker 1We tried to low, we tried to low ball for ET Street R as our market price and it didn't work. So if anybody wants to, sell us brand new ET Street R as well, please.
Speaker 2The best price I saw so far is 750 for two. Brand new is actually a really good deal, but we're waiting to see if anything else comes up just just because, and then still like kind of pondering what to run on the front. So getting there. But anyways, I posted on the Instagram asking for questions from everyone, since they all always seem to have them, which is fine.
Speaker 1There was dumb questions, I filtered them out this time I said no to like a bunch of questions that she had. So if you guys have anyone to be mad at it to me, because some of your questions I'm just like no that should be mad at him anyways, just because also the people that said oh, I posted 17 questions and Anna ignored them and is knowing them specifically. For that reason Now we definitely need to ignore them.
Speaker 2I don't remember. Off the top of my head I can see you should expose them. Yo, all right, you're getting blacklisted, JK, we're not going to black this. So you actually have a couple of questions on here Specifically for that. Please stop asking about TCM tuning we talked about on episode one here. I told you you got to wait. He's working on it. Thank you, You're doing your best.
Speaker 1Okay, I am.
Comparison of Tuner Cars and SUVs
Speaker 1I mean I have one car that we did, we did shift scheduling on, we did some TCC lockups and stuff like that. I mean it's going. I'll let you guys know when I have something. I mean a lot. It sucks because a lot of you guys bought the remote tuning kits from us because we thought that issue tuners off the bat was going to come out with support for all their RTD devices but it's not yet supported for the remote tuning devices and that's all we have for the branded kits. We don't sell the MPBI threes and it's also on beta and you have to add support for every single one that they don't currently have. So it's a process, but when it is ready we will tell you. But I do have at least the update. Shift scheduling works great. We had a customer from San Antonio drop off his car and it went well. It was, you know, not too bad. It's a good, good suite. So again.
Speaker 2The last thing we want to do is deliver something half ass to our customers. We've seen it happen. We don't want to be that person.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, our tunes have never been half ass, so we definitely don't want to deliver half ass Tcm tune. So we'll deliver them when they're ready, especially Tcm too.
Speaker 2So I'm asking you, what half ass yeah?
Speaker 1I guess what else is on there.
Speaker 2So the first question that I put on here something like kind of fun, right, somebody just asked okay for like a first car. This is definitely the same question VR 30 or S4.
Speaker 1I'm assuming you mean the B9 or B9.5 S4, the three liter turbo one, because that's that's the only one that really does, compared to the VR 30 or the B58 even. It depends on the budget, man, because S4s are, they're getting there but they're not that cheap. But then I think like used Q60 is still sell for like 40s which is amazing.
Speaker 1Like CPO Q60s and Q50s are going for, like high 30s, low 40s, which is a lot when you can also get like an S4, s5, like I guess the S4, s5 would have a little more miles, right, like you, for like the price of a 20k mile VR 30, you probably get like a 40k mile S5 prestige, like you know, 45k for one of those, which it's a little bit more but it's a lot more car for the money. First car how old is all right? Like, what's the context here? Like, are you talking a 16 year old? Are you talking?
Speaker 2you know, like a 25? Are you talking?
Speaker 1hey, it's my first new car, like my first car that I'm buying, and, like you know, you've taken the bus the whole time or something, and you're older, Um geez, I don't want to answer this question. If I answer it honestly, you're gonna all get mad.
Speaker 2I mean I'm going to say the S4 or the S5. So why we have the podcast, the?
Speaker 1VR30 is a great car I have loved. I mean the Q5, the Q60s are great cars. I have loved for them. But like the B9 and the B9.5, s4, s5 are really nice cars. They look good. You know what I will say for a first car S4, s5, only because it's a lot more streamlined to mod those cars. There's like a few OTS options. You know, I think APR-034, you know trying to have OTS options for that, flash it, you're done. There's like a few mods you put on it and I think they even have OTS for the TT right. So if you're your first car, you're just getting into modding. I think it's pretty easy, but they're expensive to mod. Like I'll say that Audi's are not cheap to mod the cars. You can get that. The modding is not cheap. But then again we pay $2,500 for a high-pressure pump on a VR30.
Speaker 2So you know, maybe the VR30s aren't that cheap either.
Speaker 1But yeah, I would say, the VR30 requires more knowledge.
Speaker 2Yes, To really mod.
Speaker 1They're very specific applications yeah to mod a VR30 properly, you need more knowledge, you need more research, you need to have the right shop to work with the right people. So for that reason I would say, for a first car, the B9 or B9.5, s4, s5 is great. You know, get it downpipes, toss a tune on it, put a TT700 or TT800 around those two cars, man, they'll run. I think they run 10s on E-stock turbo too.
Speaker 1They're very very potent cars Again. Yeah, I would say that VR30, I mean, I think you can go further with a VR30 than you can in S4.
Speaker 2I've not seen a.
Speaker 1B9 in the 9s yet. Maybe, there are. I'm probably wrong, I'm sure 034 or someone excuse me, has it. But I think the VR30 can definitely go deeper, into the 10s and into the 9s and in S4, s5. So VR30 is more of like a hey, I've already modified cars before. I know what I'm doing, I know how to blend fuels, I know what to look out for, I can read my own logs. Let me get a VR30. That's my long-winded answer.
Speaker 2There you go. What do you think would be the best tuner car?
Speaker 1I guess I kind of answered that right I mean yeah, between those two. But again, what does tuner car?
Speaker 2mean? See, I was thinking the same thing. This is a very vague question, because tuner car as in how much you can tune it. What do you mean as?
Speaker 1in import.
Speaker 2What exactly is the question? Best tuner car.
Speaker 1All the platforms that we support really are good tuner cars. I would gladly recommend any of the cars that we tune. So the EA825s, which is the four-liter, I found the engine code. I didn't know it last time. Ea825 is what I have in my essay. The EA825 responds well to tuning. The EA888 responds well to tuning. That's in the Golf R, the Golf GTI, the Audi S3.
Speaker 2The.
Speaker 1DASA responds well to tuning. Responds well to tuning B58s we all know. Respond well to tuning VR30s. Respond well to tuning.
Speaker 1Really all of these modern like 4, 5, and 6-cylinder cars with a turbo. They respond very well, and then also these 8-cylinder turbos, for that matter, the S63 and the N63 from BMW also respond well to tuning Right, like you can't go wrong. Any of these cars, honestly, are great. I think it just comes down to how much you can spend, how reliable you want the car to be and what your power goals are right.
Speaker 2So a tuner car can be good, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's reliable. It depends on what you want out of it.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think the ultimate right now is the S58, right, Like you're seeing all these S58 stock turbos running 9s, mid 9s. They're right on there. What's crazy is the S58 and the S63 run basically the same times. One the S58 has two cylinders, less and less displacement, Like it's just surprising. You see an M5 comp or an M8 comp and they're running the same times as High-Kyle. They're running the same times as an M3 comp and that's pretty cool. I think we're in a unique part where you got eight cylinder turbos and six cylinder turbos running the same times. Obviously, M5 is way more blah, blah, blah. It's still pretty cool to see. And also an M5, when you mod it, I think the fastest M5 I've ever seen is like a midnight, so S58s are already almost there, right? So you can only imagine how far the S58's going to go. Yeah.
Speaker 2Pretty far. Now I have another one Same topic. We're asking best this, best that best, SUV? Another very vague question Are we talking reliability, comfort, gas, luxury?
Speaker 1Oh, you're not moonshine. I would say F-Pace FVR. So if you guys don't know, alex Montrion loves the F-Pace SVR. We have a group chat for everybody at Racebox and whenever he goes. Oh, if he sees an SVR on the street, he'll just take a picture and send it to us and all of us, unanimous, like no. So he would say F-Pace SVR For an SUV. It depends on the size, right? The SQ7 has the S8 motor and the EA825, the new EA825. That thing is going to be a. It'll sound good and it'll move once tuned. So SQ7's up there for sure. Sq5, if you want a six cylinder, and then obviously you have the X3M, it's S58, no brainer right.
Speaker 1S58, you have the, not Kyle. Kyle's got an X3M40. He wishes he had an X3M, but even then the X3M40. Also the B58, it's a good move. Put a top mount on it and you'll move out. Kyle's out there gapping all these cars every night. And then X5M, right. So you know what would be interesting. I'd love to add Nissan or Infiniti models to this list. If they put the VR30 or some form of the VR30 and one of the next generation SUVs, that would be sick.
Speaker 2So you see them around a lot. They're usually driving no Hesse too. So I mean, get one of those on the tune.
Speaker 1Who the Nissan.
Speaker 2The Infiniti SUVs and the Nissan's man. Those people are crazy.
Speaker 1Well, also, they would open up the whole Middle Eastern market. Nissan Patrol with a VR30 would be sick. That would be sick, that would be sick. Yeah, those are the SUVs I'd recommend. I don't know many other SUVs that you can modify, I don't know about the Type S, yet it's still too new.
Speaker 1No, I don't think so. I think you're really stuck between the two Germans, so you have the Audi's and the BMWs, and then if Nissan comes out with something beyond that yeah, beyond like an SQ5, SQ7, X5, X3, and maybe an X7, there's not really anything else you could modify.
Speaker 2Unless you start getting into wagons, which is my jam.
Speaker 1If we're counting RS6 wagons as an SUV, that's got my vote.
Speaker 1Like the RS6, is beautiful those in the V-wagons super rare, though I think SQ5 is great, though, like price point wise, they're cheap as hell. Man, sq5s are the same motor as the B9 and B9.5 S4, s5. So you have, I think it is on the B9 platform, I think, but anyway, I'm probably wrong. Audi guys will roast me with it. The SQ5 is great. I mean, it's got the same motor. You put a hybrid turbo on it. Those things run mid. There's so many on draggy talk these days with SQ5s running mid 10. Sound guy, we got a problem. Why you make that face?
Speaker 2He's lurking bro. I'm scared Dong is brutal dude. No, I don't know if y'all saw that story. That's exactly what he said.
Speaker 1Did you see that?
Speaker 2when I posted, somebody asked about a weight reduction or something along those lines, and Dong was like, oh, just go to the gym. I was like, oh, he said, go to the gym and don't have your girl in the class. That's what he said.
Speaker 1That's not fair coming from Dong, though, because he's look at how quiet your voice is.
Speaker 2Okay, I'm starting to muggle. That's my bad, yeah.
Speaker 1And then he's like oh, I have to edit Anna when she talks.
Speaker 2He's back there with a gun. He's like make me edit right now, Cut it out.
Speaker 1It's not fair for Chodong to say go to the gym though the guy weighs 110 pounds Like he eats crap. Literally he eats chocolate bars, monsters, or 130,. I'm sorry, oh red bulls. Yeah, red bulls, monsters, whatever other energy drink you can find, Celsius or whatever Chocolate bars Like. He'll always have a Kit Kat or a sneakers on his desk. That's all he eats and somehow he doesn't gain weight, just 130.
Speaker 2It's not fair. Can you imagine he's probably got low iron when you're skinny?
Speaker 1He probably does have low iron. Yeah, what if he's anemic and one day we're like working some black stuff because he's anemic? It's possible. The workers comp. It's not fair. Okay, next one.
Speaker 2Okay, anyways, back to the question. We got actually a few of these air to air versus air to water, so we have like three or four people ask about this what do you prefer, what do you think is better? Well, it depends on the set.
Speaker 1I think you have a best way to approach this, because they both have their benefits. Air to water is simpler, especially if you don't go do an inner chiller. Now if you're going for big power applications. An inner chiller is fantastic for drag racing. I don't think air to air compares to an inner chiller for drag racing, because the inner chiller would get your temps down to like 30s, especially in a.
Speaker 1Q50, right, or Q60, but air to air is really good for repeatable. Like you can't run an inner chiller on a road course, I think air to air is the only way to go. Air to water is going to heat. So the inner chiller. The benefit of the inner chiller is the heat soak. You recover faster from heat soak and also you start off at a much lower temp. Like you know, when it's 110 degrees outside, inner chiller is still going to get you like a 50 degree. You know, charge your temp, but air to air is going to keep you at 100 or 110. It's not sorry, it'll be at ambience like 110.
Speaker 1So yeah, I guess for drag racing I'd say inner chiller, air to water all the way. And then if you're road coursing, air to air or if you're in general you're doing back to back for whatever reason, just back to back, drag racing, sure, air to air, yeah. And then for daily driving, air to water. I would just keep it air to water for daily driving. So air to air. It looks cool and you can daily it. There's no reason for you not to be able to daily it. It's just more hassle, right. But like if it performance wise, air to air performance better on a daily driver too, unless you have an inner chiller. So that's where I'm at with that. I like inner chiller, as you can tell.
Speaker 2Yeah, we live in Texas, so it was like you need it just, literally, just to survive, did you know?
Speaker 1I saw I was reading a report. Yesterday broke our 50 day record for no rain.
Speaker 2In Houston proper. I was really just talking about that too. 50 days of no rain, that's insane.
Summer Weather and Best Air Intakes
Speaker 1And then we're back at what 110 today Like this heat is brutal.
Speaker 2This summer feels like the longest summer, and we're already.
Speaker 1We're already end of August, like it's supposed to. We're usually like oh hey, we got a front on the way in like, or at least September, nope you know, no relief in sight. Like could we at least get a freaking hurricane or something and get like some water in here? Like you know, foundations are drying out.
Speaker 2my grass is dead Like she's literally just catching fire everywhere. I can't tell you how many cars, buildings et cetera We've just seen on fire this month.
Speaker 1It's just so bad.
Speaker 2It's bad. I watched the video on TikTok. Actually, some ladies grass, while she was gone, just caught fire Spontaneously.
Speaker 1No, I saw that it was apparently debris from a fireworks. Someone said oh fireworks. Is there an idiot who sets off fireworks in a drought?
Speaker 2Bro people in Texas.
Speaker 1It's going to have wash and labor day, someone's going to set off fireworks and there's going to be a wildfire.
Speaker 2Guaranteed, you set off fireworks on labor neighbor.
Speaker 1You know people in Texas set off fireworks for anything. Oh, it's granted, fireworks are awesome. I mean, yeah, and the laws here are lax, you can set off a firework wherever the hell you want. So, like you know, I'm not complaining, but, like in this case, it's probably not a good idea.
Speaker 2No, no, you got to wait for at least a little bit of rain. It's just too dry.
Speaker 1What else we got?
Speaker 2On the topic of intakes, what do you think, since we just talked about air to water and then hair to air, what do you think are the best air to water intakes? What brands, if you're going to?
Speaker 1talk about, oh like, if you you mean by air to water intakes you just mean like intakes that are not meant for an air to air system. Okay, it's such a weird way to call it air to water versus air to air intakes. Is that how the question was?
Speaker 2That's how they were worded, yeah. I understand why they worded it that way, but I took some of the water before we, just fine, you wanted a very specific answer.
Speaker 1So the boosted six, three and 40s, the AMS, the new AMS intakes for the Z have a bigger math housing and they perform very well too. But you know, considering we mostly do Q 50s, q 60s and I don't think AMS has released that yet the boosted six, three and shorties are so far the only Q 50, q 60 intakes I've seen that have a big game like that. So I'm probably so sorry they do sound good. Yeah, I mean, hopefully people who are watching the podcast also watch, like our Instagram, like Ken's car dude with all with the Z1 turbos and the boosted six, bro, it almost sounded so obviously the super that we posted right before the T 51R. That sounded great. But Ken's car had kind of a nice, like you know, nice little whistle on cold start and while spooling up.
Speaker 1So yeah, boosted six, three and shorties are the way to go for sure, both performance and sound wise. And don't come out with that hot air intake bullshit. I mean I'm sure there's other tuners who disagree with me and it's on every single platform that I tune. There's one side of people who are like, oh, hot air intakes or don't do it, and then people who are like that, or even the, even the EA to five. The four, four liter guys are always, oh my God, open air intake, bro, you're passing it through a freaking hairdryer after, like it doesn't matter, as long as your charger system, your charger cooling system is good. So yeah, boosted six shorties and then air to air intake Was that?
Speaker 1was that the second follow up to that? Is that what I'm reading?
Speaker 2Yeah, can we just rephrase and say best at that point.
Speaker 1At that point you just talking what's the best air to air kit, at which point there's only three options. Right, there's not many. I like Ben Lee's real, or actually two options. Soho's supposed to come out with one, but I think they're coming out with a Z and I don't know if I was supposed to say that.
Speaker 2So sorry, Nick.
Speaker 1But hey, whatever I created hype for them, Ben Lee is Ben Lee. At DPF he puts in a really clean air to air kit. I know it's more expensive than the other option on the market, but pay for quality, pay for quality, yeah, and Ben Ben stands by his products and he does really good welding and it's a clean ass kit, so yeah.
Speaker 1Ben Ben's your performance and fabrication in San Antonio. He's got a great air to air kit. It's so high. There is a third option. Wow, he's like a basic girl, where are your nails?
Speaker 2Somebody get him some. Some press on.
Speaker 1It's caught. That'd be really funny if I came with press on Nysinity. That's the name right, uly is Ulysses. Yeah, he goes by Uly Ulysses in California. He's got he's got an air to air kit. That's pretty good. We tuned a couple of them out there for the soak out. So yeah, that's another one. Oh yeah, but no, there's no special like air to air intake. It comes with a kit.
Speaker 2Just view what it be.
Speaker 1Be what it be and do be what it be.
Speaker 2We've already addressed it the inner chillies. They called it an ice box chiller or ice box chillies.
Speaker 1No, so ice boxes are different. This is how you can tell she comes from Mohandas Civic.
Speaker 2Yeah, ice boxes and drag racing are like.
Speaker 1They're like the precursor to inner chillers, like, yes, or for cars that don't have AC, they'll have a big tank of ice in the back and look with dry ice or something, oh shoot, and they'll pipe it. So they'll pipe the air through there. If it gets air to air, if it's air to water, they'll pipe the water through there. So ice boxes are great. I mean, they weren't just as effectively as an inner chill. The only difference is you got to keep dumping dry ice into it, right, but yeah, it works. I think ice boxes are great. If you get an ice box set up, great. More power to you, more power to you. Yeah, I got nothing else to say. It's as effective as an inner chill. It's just not repeatable unless you add ice.
Speaker 2And how convenient is it to have to keep adding that, especially on something you're doing?
Speaker 1Dry ice is expensive, man. You can put regular ice, but that shit's going to melt pretty quick and you just have water. I'd rather put dry ice so you don't have to pull out the water after.
Speaker 2Way easier, way easier. Yeah, the only thing I got from my platform is that it takes it's like it's like and what's wrong with your Civic right now.
Speaker 1Do you want to talk about all the problems with your Civic?
Speaker 2My Civic has essentially one issue, and this is my own doing. Okay, super Bowl weekend, I don't watch football.
Speaker 1It is slow. Thanks for that.
Speaker 2I don't watch football. The Super Bowl weekend, me and a couple buddies got together right and I have had these colobers forever and my buddy just got another SI, same as mine, coop, everything. So I was like okay, you know, I've had these colobers and you're looking for springs. We'll just take the springs off my car and I'll finally put my colobers on right. Well, you see, I can't watch football, sober. Okay, we're going to redact whatever we need to redact.
Speaker 1But let's just say I was very, very not there.
Speaker 2Okay, doing suspension. And if you don't know about Honda's, the front end is McPherson, it's all.
Speaker 1McPherson struts a pain in the ass essentially right.
Speaker 2You got to pop the ax out, to pull it out. It's what you have to do.
Speaker 2It listen, I had these nice adaptive suspension before I touched it right and then I put these collars on, lost that slammed it right. The guy that had these before me was slammed Like to the point I had to like get the grooves. You know, I had to get a little like a little chisel and get the grooves out right. So I had the grooves back about this prune because I was like fuck it collars, it's gonna be fucking slamming.
Speaker 1Because it's a Civic. Si no one buys nice parts for a Civic. Si this is facts.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, no, no. And these they were nice, they weren't, until that guy whatever he did, he was fucking on his balls, Anyways.
Speaker 1So I put them on, I just beat all of the stuff sorry, I hand tightened everything Canon says even new, they're $500 eBay coilovers. Just for reference.
Speaker 2They are not. If you look online, they're a thousand minimums for my car, for whatever reason. Tension is not new anymore, but it's still expensive.
Speaker 1Kill whatever gets the point.
Speaker 2So, yes, I hand tightened everything myself and I don't know if you'll know, but I weigh like 90 pounds, so you can imagine how much that was actually tightened. Yeah, so it's been months and it's made clanking noises because it doesn't have rubber top hats or silencers, it's a silenced to colover. So every time I go rub on me it's here. It's very annoying and it's gotten progressively worse.
Speaker 1So it's also super uncomfortable.
Speaker 2Oh my God, this dude has never had solid suspension, ever had it. What are you talking about? Not like solid is a good suspension. I mean like to stiff.
Speaker 1My Q50 was stiff as hell and it was static. Stiff Bro I had. My first Q50 was slam. All right, I've driven on stiff suspension. Your car is just.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, it's bad right now because it's not in there.
Speaker 1I refuse to ride in it Like we have the Supra, that's uncomfortable. We have the Z, that's uncomfortable. Nothing compares to her Civic. It is so bad.
Speaker 2Especially recent in the backseat, the coupe I don't know if you all seen the tension Civic. So it's shaped like this. They slip down right. It's a coupe. Sit in the backseat and you hit a bump. Forget it, you're getting a concussion Guaranteed. You can ask Marcus I've blown his back out on accident going over a bump, jesus, anyways, yes, don't get drunk watching the Supra. We'll decide to do suspension and wait Absolutely nothing. Yeah, Don't hand tie any stuff. Use real tools. You know real tools. I am used to my caveman methods.
Speaker 1Never had an issue with it before caveman methods, she said, but she can't even torque 50 foot pounds.
Speaker 2Anyways, my springs are on there, perfect. I never had decisions on out, so we're going to. We're going to get it fixed.
Speaker 1Get on doubts.
Speaker 2My car will be just fine. Yeah, that's funny. This is really really funny. Yeah, that's it Really.
Speaker 1That's funny. Hey, these filters were good on the mics. That's awesome. All right, next one.
Speaker 2Okay, anyways, dong is a verified theater. My car is great, other than what I touched, right.
Speaker 1Sure Almost.
Speaker 2Oh, we forgot to mention Everything. That's funny.
Speaker 1We put it on the dyno and it made less than stock Cause it was in a limp mode because they couldn't get it out of limp mode so we had to street tune it.
Speaker 2Can't dyno.
Speaker 1Imagine street tuning and taking 20 seconds to go to 130.
Speaker 2Do you know how sad I was when I saw in the civic chat today that somebody else dyno their SI window problems?
Speaker 1What is the six it really? How do they do it? I don't know, ask them how they get it.
Speaker 2I did.
Speaker 1Your monkey does it. If you're lucky, it does it. If you're not lucky, it doesn't do it.
Speaker 2My car is curious. Anyway, what is the?
Speaker 160 to 130 on the civic SI. I'm lucky Yours was 13 with an upgraded turbo, wasn't it he was?
Speaker 2gaping With the MHI turbo.
Speaker 1That's funny. Oh no, no, I had an actual gear turbo. Oh sorry, oh, you had a nice turbo, you had a real turbo, not an MHI. Oh, big dick, okay, next question.
Speaker 2Anyways, let's get back to the topic on unit 30s. Somebody asked about the Z1 anti-jump, though upgrade.
Speaker 1Do it.
Speaker 2Which is pretty sick. Yeah, the fully the rim fully do it.
Speaker 1It's worth it because they did that on the Z itself, like all the Zs come with that. So the Z1 upgrade for a for a, keep it, yeah, 100%, there's no downside. Stop shredding belts, please, please stop doing it on the dyno. Oh my God, dino days with shredded belts.
Speaker 2Dino day turns into a mechanic shop day.
Speaker 1Dino day turns into me wanting to kill myself. And then you guys ask where we don't come up for dyno days. Next dyno day I'm not even going. I'm sending Alex and Mo up. They're like, we'll handle it Like, please do.
Speaker 2Oh, go right ahead, been doing it for three years.
Speaker 1I'm done you guys. Please go suffer in the heat.
Speaker 2All your Cali boys in the DMs. What are you coming back? You're always spoiled. I'm going to go worse every single time.
Speaker 1You don't come to California. I went to California the most for dyno days of every single time. You guys flake every time. Cali boys cannot be trusted.
Speaker 2And we see them the most. You know there's people in other cities like Hawaii. Somebody's like please, we love a guy. I actually will go to.
Speaker 1Hawaii. Hawaii is the next one that I'll actually go to. I want to go to Hawaii. Hawaii is sick. You know, I was supposed to go to Hawaii for my honeymoon and I've, covid, killed my honeymoon. Thanks, covid, I didn't have a honeymoon.
Speaker 2Kill everything.
Speaker 1Kill my colleges, my wife's been to Hawaii without me, so I give her shit about it. Every time we talk about Hawaii and it comes up.
Speaker 2I was like oh wow it must be nice.
Fuel Pickup and Hydra Mat Installation
Speaker 1We've been to Hawaii and I haven't Like, after the you know the terrible things that happened in Maui, I was like, wow, now I'll never get to see Maui the way it was. But you did, and then she's like we can stop.
Speaker 2Oh, it's sad.
Speaker 1She deserves it.
Speaker 2I've never been. I want to go to Fiji.
Speaker 1You should tell her and say you've never been to Hawaii. When you see her too, yeah, she's like wow, you're like it's so mean, you went to Hawaii and you didn't take me.
Speaker 2You say that she's like. Didn't the saint tell you to say that she's going to know you?
Speaker 1100% she's going to know.
Speaker 2Okay, next, we've got the hydra mat, do it.
Speaker 1Do it. This one's hard because people ask us how do you install? And we had a customer who we like tried to remotely help install it. It's not something if you don't know how to do it, you don't have someone who's done it and you're not comfortable with like working on your car like that, I get an extensive modification to your basket to get it all to fit and work. Right, please don't. But if you know how to do it and you can make it work, please do it, because we have customers who run hydra mat plus the pride fuel pickup line.
Speaker 1But you'll never have fuel cuts again on. Just do like a regular, the AMS or the boosted six, drop in boosted. Oh, by the way, for people who don't want to modify their own baskets, ams has had that great kit for a while, but boosted six will make like. They will send you drop in baskets and you can either send in a core as a core charger by the basket outright and it's decently priced like $500. Do that and just drop. That's super great. But anyway, if you're comfortable modifying your basket and cutting it up and everything, do the hydra mat, do the pride fuel pickup line and never have, never have any fuel cuts with a wall, bro, of course.
Speaker 2Yeah, we should make a video over that.
Speaker 1Next, like installation to help people, you need as much help as I can get you know, you know people have asked me if like install videos on the school dual pump and the problem is some of these things are not Like.
Speaker 1there's not like one way to do it. Every car is different. Some cars you struggle, some cars you don't. So it would suck if we made a video and, like we made it look super easy and you guys like, bro, how do I get this in? Like it just sometimes works With the hydramat. We can try. We could try making a video on cutting up the height for the height. We haven't done a hydramat here in a long time.
Speaker 2Somebody buy one, so you make a video.
Speaker 1Somebody come here buy like a full setup from us and do the hydramat and we'll make a video with your car.
Speaker 2Absolutely. It can be a internet, famous maybe. Internet famous Unless it flops and sorry, then you just be a sacrifice.
Speaker 1It's not even registering. Okay, okay, my voice is getting quiet again.
Speaker 2I'm doing the moonshine thing where he starts talking loud and then he goes oh, you're in the next time, yeah.
Speaker 1and then everyone's like what did you see, moonshine?
Speaker 2Every time. I can't do this because I clown for this on the regular Almost as much as you see, not quite as much. I don't clown moonshine that much. Yes, you do, I'm so nice. That's all you do, bro. You know your energy has been down here solely because moonshine hasn't been there.
Speaker 1That's true. I miss moonshine when he's here.
Speaker 2I have someone to annoy.
Moonshine's Excitement for LF4 Podcast
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, you have Don here but he doesn't get annoyed though, like bro I go flick his ears. I've never seen. Maybe it's because I'm his boss. He doesn't clap back at me, but I'll go up to him. I'll flick his ears, I'll tickle him, I'll pinch him. He does not react, he just goes hall.
Speaker 2He just moans, he says hall.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2It's not fun.
Speaker 1It gets boring after a while. Moonshine reacts Moonshine will get angry, it's fun.
Speaker 2Moonshine is completely angry.
Speaker 1It's gonna be funny when we bring Moonshine on the podcast and we can annoy him on air oh, while he's doing the podcast.
Speaker 2That'll be fun If you can show everybody how annoyed Moonshine gets.
Speaker 1It'll be exciting.
Speaker 2We're gonna make him do his own V episode for his catalect and he's With the LF4s.
Speaker 1Yeah, we'll let Moonshine talk about it. Yes, he's probably the best person to talk about it Because he loves his LF4.
Speaker 2We're super excited about it too, so oh is he he was yeah, and he was doing his.
Speaker 1Oh, I thought you said he was excited for the podcast. I highly doubt Moonshine was excited to talk on a podcast.
Speaker 2Okay, his pitch went up. When I asked him. I was like, would you want to do a podcast episode about the LF4? And he's like, yeah, sure, I'll do it. And I was like His pitch went up Moonshine wants to be in front of the camera. I don't know if he knows that there's a camera part to this too.
Speaker 1Probably doesn't know. I don't think he realizes that this is gonna be so awkward.
Speaker 2Y'all look forward to it. It's entertaining. Okay, all right. Next Feel cuts. This is actually. This is a good one for us to talk about.
Speaker 1I just talked about it.
Speaker 2We did just talk about it. Let's talk about it on here, cause then you can just say whatever you want.
Speaker 1No, we just talked about it. That's the same question as the hydromat All right To stop fuel cuts.
Speaker 1to stop fuel cuts, get an upgraded fuel pump, a Waldron 485 or 525 with a relay, whatever. Get a hydromat, like we just suggested from the other person who asked a question, or get the spool dual pump, or you drop it in. You hate your life for the six hours it takes you to get in, but once it's in and it's all good. You'll never have a fuel cut down to the dash line, like I've gotten drag racing in my queue in both queues and I've never had a fuel cut. So that's it.
Speaker 1And then AMS is supposed to come in there was a post on the Infinity Q50, q60 form where the guy had a prototype LPFP and I think Jake or somebody mentioned that it was meant to like reduce fuel cuts completely. So I look forward to that Cause. Hopefully that's a nice drop in solution as well.
Speaker 2That would be nice. All right, are you ready for this one? This is the one that we get a million questions about every single day, on every single post.
Speaker 1It's a B58 versus VR30s.
Speaker 2Always mod for mods, stock for stock, tune for tune, whatever there was like, oh, what's better? B58, vr30, and you're always beefing in our comments section because y'all don't know how to get along and they're both our bread and butter. So it's like he's done.
Speaker 1He's no 30 dead. Shoulda honestly said VR30 dead cause he has the 800 horsepower Supra. He's spoiled.
Speaker 2Such a hard question.
Speaker 1It's not really hard, though, because we post dyno graphs of this crap all the time. Like you guys see this, you can see it for yourselves. The B58 has a benefit, cause it has the ZF8 and the ZF8 has tuning. That's a huge help. But mod for mod stock, turbo the VR30 wins. It's just how it is right. It's got a better top end, it's got better mid range. The B58 is just really good on the lawn. It's just really torquey and the motors can take the torques. They, you know you can bump up torque on the low end, so they'll get a little jump on you, but beyond that the VR30 wins. I mean, yeah, if you don't break before the top end I've seen it, you sleazy.
Speaker 1Okay, okay, most of them don't. That's like bad meat. Come on, we're in VR30 shop. You can't say that B58's break all the time while racing too, please. B58's are not without problems, okay, like, this whole idea of the VR30 is like some unholy, unreliable car, is not true, I think. People on the B58 forums, they like, usually don't post on the cars, for one thing, but also, like, if you look through there, there's a lot of issues on the B58s, the Gen 1's and the TU's. They have injector problems, they have oil pump problems, they I've seen they crack wing lens too. Oh yeah, so yeah, anyway, mod for Mod. Let's talk Gen 1 and TU, both of them Mod for Mod. And the thing is, though, I think that B58 guys, but you have to buy this exhaust and all that. Yeah, I'm sorry, infinity, put a one and a half inch exhaust. Yo, chidan, can you grab a stock exhaust, one of this, so we can show them? That's cruel. Is that worth it? Is that worth demonstrating to these people?
Speaker 2Super restrictive.
Speaker 1Actually, you know what, you know what, forget it. Here's what we're gonna do. Did he just go away anyway?
Speaker 2He can't hear.
Speaker 1Oh okay, yeah, he's got headphones, he can hear us. He's hearing exactly. Okay, what you can do is you're gonna overlay this part. You're gonna take a stock exhaust. Take a picture of it and we have the stock exhaust for a B58. Take that and we'll show you guys how much bigger a B58 exhaust is in diameter than it's like. You can't say, oh, because you have to do a cap back, that it's not Mod for Mod.
Speaker 2Oh, this is great Smaller than my stock exhaust. Put your hand next to it.
Speaker 1Put your hand next to it. How, what do you mean? Put my hand next to it? Put your fist on the hole? Look at how tiny this is. It does not pass the fist test.
Speaker 1At one point the stock exhaust on a Q50 gets to like one and a quarter inches on one Like that's insanely small. I don't know if he's gonna go bring a B58 one, but if he does the B58 one's like two and a half 2.75 the whole way. So yeah, of course we're gonna have that issue. Also, the VR30s have a really restrictive head design. With the B58s don't Mod for Mod. So if we count out the exhaust, the exhaust is taken for granted. So downpipes, flex fuel, stock turbo, stock turbo. A Q50 VR30 wins. And we could do it on a stock heat exchanger. Sure, you got to use B58 boys don't want us to run heat exchangers. Fine, stock heat exchanger, just an open dump downpipe with E30, vr30, out top ends of stock turbo, b58 every time, but upgraded turbos. And I hate to say this, I hate to say this. We posted two 700 horsepower cars yesterday, the Q50 and the Super, because the B58 can handle more torque in stock form. A lot more torque in stock form, you actually get mid range out of it.
Speaker 1We actually did a little comparison for ourselves of the 700 horsepower Z1 turbo car, ken's car and then Tony, not Tony, what was it? Troy? Troy, yeah, sorry, his license plate says Tony. So anyway, troy Supra with the KLM top mount 6466, and it's not a comparison. The mid range, the Supra, it's basically at 700, from like what 5000 RPM to red line, and the Q50's at like 700, at what 6000? It's got a thousand RPM more range and even like the low end is just completely different.
Speaker 1So you know, mod for mod, once you get the big turbo, yeah, the b58 wins out. Until you build the motor on a Q50, then it's a different story. I think built motor VR 30, built motor b58 are right on par with each other. Like I know there's super as in the eights, but if we had had the Z's, well, we do have these now, but like a built motor Z will be in the age with the same mod. To someone like me, kyle, or the, or the daily Q50, or the black, the demon Q50, you caught the one we tuned, the rear wheel drive, one out of Florida, yeah, which is rear wheel drive. So a good comparison to the Z, that if that, if we put that power plant in a Z, the Z would be in the eights. So it's you know, mod for mod it is is the only time that they're not is that stock motor, upgraded turbo area, the b58 wins out.
Speaker 2Yeah, if anyone wants to dispute that, you can run Kyle. Since Kyle likes to call everybody else out, we'll flip the switch. Y'all can go run Kyle, get a bunch of.
Speaker 1VR 30s. You want to train on Kyle? That'd be really funny.
Speaker 2That would be entertaining. It's really funny because.
Speaker 1Kyle only ever had E30 Lower down pipe stock exhaust and a tune. Oh, I think at one point he did have an exhaust. Anyway, that's as fast as Kyle's VR 30 guy, so his ex-tweets a lot faster than.
Speaker 2He's having fun with it too, so yeah, good for him.
Speaker 1Is that it Are we done?
Speaker 2No, no, there's a couple more. Since we're on the topic, of turbo, hybrid turbo or normal top.
Speaker 1For what is this?
Speaker 2the b58 question they didn't specify in general, I guess, what do you think is better? What do you prefer? I'm telling you, all these questions are super vague. There's not like oh, what do you like better, like, what do you prefer?
Speaker 1I'm good, I'm gonna assume that they're asking what should you spend money on Price? Wise man like. It's really hard to not do the Z1 they did a great job with that pricing man, I mean when you're saying 4500 for the Z1 turbos Versus, I think, pure's or what, 42 and and the RT turbo you. So I would say, if you're happy with mid fives, rt turbo is perfect, don't go more, not anything more than mid fives.
Speaker 2I'll just do the Z1 turbo at that point you might as well yeah just get like.
Speaker 1The pure turbo is great and it was a good hybrid turbo, but, like, at this price point, I just don't see any reason for you to get a pure turbo versus the Z1. And the Z1's got, I think, better lead times and pure at this point too. So, but pure does a lot on other platforms, so I get it. Z1 focuses on Nissan's, so you know they're gonna have their stuff in stock. Yeah, that's my answer. Power wise, daily driving wise, to like a. Okay, there is lag on the Z1's, I will, I will take that back. The Z1's. There is a noticeable turbo lag in daily driving that the pure turbos and the RT turbos do not have. But who's buying turbo said daily drive? I mean you daily drive your car. You don't care what your power is daily driving. So there's your answer. No, there's one more dumb question.
Speaker 2No, okay, I didn't ask somebody else careful.
Speaker 1I, you know you know Texas at will employment. If it's a dumb question from you, I could be like hey, thanks, it's been great.
Speaker 2It's pretty dumb, but it's not for me. I meant to ask it when we're on the topic of how born early, but Caesar just wants to know what you do. Oh he really wants to know.
Speaker 1And I was gonna measure this in Chadons, actually, because Okay, real, real talk, though yesterday I was like my essay with another car in my garage and I was like you know, it's so much shorter because the essay it's so long, I have so much more room now I could, I could sleep three Chadons in front of my car and then everyone's like it's just obviously unit of measure and I was like yeah, you can measure everything.
Speaker 1It's like you know, how heavy are you? Oh, I'm one and a half Chadons. How tall are you? I'm about as tall as a Chadon. It's a great unit of measure. So we're using Chadon. Oh yeah, here I wrote this on our group chat. I said Chadon is a universal measurement term. How much you want for it to to Chadon, because we value him at a certain point? How many hours of labor about four Chadons worth? How hard was it one? How heavy is it about half a Chadon? How much space you got for Chadons wide, or you could say fortune on's long, you know, depending on what kind of measurement you want. So yeah, chadon is a unit of measure. So how much do I hate Caesar About six Chadons?
Speaker 1only because I'm still waiting on my carbon. He promised me carbon for the Z.
Speaker 2You didn't get it for the first Z get it for the second Z Caesar.
Speaker 1We could be Dude, I got. I got two piece wheels. Cuz you always tell me how much better two piece wheels are, I got those. I got great bead locks. Where my carbon at bro.
Speaker 2He's coming out of where carbon he's actually listening.
Speaker 1Yeah, where carbon Caesar? Other than that, I don't hate him, you know it's funny. I Look forward more to seeing Caesar when I go to California than I do the tune cards to be honest.
Speaker 1It's so much fun to hang out with them because he's just a chill guy man, like he's a good friend of mine and it's crazy. It's one of the things that I love about, you know, having this business. Being in the car community, I have friends like all over the country and honestly now like all over the world, who like it's crazy because because we have this one Hobby and a lot of us are very similar minded right, and we talk a lot. You know, I talk daily to people and it's like I might have met you once in my life or never even met you, but when we hang out it's like we've always been friends. So Caesar's one of those guys. I love Caesar. I hate him six shit owns, but I love him.
Speaker 2It's also his birthday. I also thought oh yeah, happy birthday Caesar.
Speaker 1You old fuck. But also Caesar does not. I taught Caesar to eat steak the right way when I first met Caesar. He would order well done, can you imagine? How disgusted I was. We went to a steakhouse and he ordered well done. I'm like you cannot eat steak well done and I converted him. Caesar now eat steaks Medium rare. That is a huge improvement over like what? Three years, yeah, yeah. So happy birthday, caesar. Eat some rare steak for me.
Speaker 2But yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1Cool. Ask better questions for next time, please. Also, we should do something else for the podcast. You did have other things.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, we should. They want to talk about things other than, can you?
Speaker 1guys, ask us things other than cars.
Speaker 2Well, they wanted to know what we did before ace box. To Sorry, there's just like not really a good place like fit in, I guess, in the beginning now you start because your story is shorter, oh, and it's like 15.
Speaker 1Oh, no, I'm sorry, she's 18. I have to say she's 18 because she works here. Wait, no, you can employ 15 year olds, can you? Yeah, I think you can employ 15 years. Mechanic. You know you don't work on cars receptionist. Well, yeah, there's like 15. Okay, so working McDonald's? Okay, and I was probably like 15.
Speaker 2I'm 23, I'm 23.
Speaker 1I'm 23. Press X to doubt.
Speaker 2I'm almost halfway to 30. I don't want to think about that, never mind I'm 15. Okay, anyways.
Speaker 1Did you say halfway to 30?
Speaker 2Bro, you're not even past 25 yet. I said almost halfway to 30.
Speaker 1Wait till you hit 25 and then watch the B5. And then I'll be there to remind you how I told you it was going to be downhill after 25. Like everybody else who was over 25 when I wasn't told me, it was going to be downhill.
Speaker 2I'm already at my B5. Okay, I worked at a Hyundai dealership before this.
Speaker 1That's pretty difficult, terrible. I'm a very bad management.
Speaker 2If you're ever in Texas, I don't know if I can get like in trouble for this Don't say the dealership name.
Speaker 1Don't say the dealership name.
Speaker 2Don't take your car to a dealership in Jersey Village. That's a Hyundai. Don't ever do it. The management is absolutely terrible.
Speaker 1Jesus, I'm going to get a season this season.
Speaker 2I had two gentle parents Actually. No, it turned into very harsh parenting the managers because they were not good people. I look like this right now I'm a very patient person at work, Except when it comes to dumbassery. She's not patient. Get in a car with Anna Bro. These people have no concept. I'm not going to say I'm a patient. I'm not going to say I'm a patient, except when it comes to dumbassery.
Speaker 1She's not patient get in a car with Anna.
Speaker 2Bro, these people have no concept of customer service. None Like none. When I tell you that is like one of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to don't work is you take care of the people the way you would take care of your friends. That's true. They didn't take care of no one, not even their own employees. It'd be like that.
Speaker 1That's why you like my space box so much. Yeah, because we. It's a different kind of abuse.
Speaker 1Yeah, I abuse my employees, but I don't abuse my customers. We go above and beyond for you guys, and that's always been like my number. One thing is you know we should strive for 100% customer service, though, and really believe in is how much work we do outside of money. It's a process where everything is model. You know, all these types of things we do for ourselves and we work in an around application, and that's a different field of vision, for how have I been working with the customer service itself? Your unrelated background 비the way you work?
Speaker 1many times, I work with my staff and we learn from trying to work in a good way as a customer service model and because I'm airdi manager and months in airport operations, blah, blah, blah, and I'm like, do I like, yeah, at the end of the 12 month period? Like, put you in a start? I'm like, so I could just go apply for the starting position now instead of doing like yeah, but it's a training for I'm like I just realized aerospace was too slow of a moving industry for me and I wasn't going to get to where I want it fast. I'm an impatient person. I work hard, but I like to see the rewards for working hard. I'm not the kind of guy that can sit you know nine or five in an office working on meeting this task like it doesn't work for me.
Speaker 1So from there I worked for my cousin as a sales guy and that was awesome. It was an application sales engineer. I learned so much from him. He helped me start my business, to start Racebox. At the time it was a two motor works, but I worked for her. I learned a lot. We used to sell uninterpretable power supplies. I would go to customer sites and help, you know, spec out units for, like you know, if you told me like.
Speaker 1Hey, I was very specialized data testing equipment, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. Okay, Well, you need, you know something sensitive to your needs and all that, and so, without getting boring, I learned a lot about electronics and stuff like that working for him.
Speaker 2Uh, that was fun, not I hated it, I think it was not IT, but anyway we would do that.
Speaker 1And then I started this, and then I was for the first year that I was tuning I was doing was it a year yet? No, so a year. Yes, it was a year for the first and it's, it seems, like forever. For the first year that I was tuning, I was working eight to 10 hours a day, and then I'd be working nine hours after work and just like working on two and getting back to customers, all that. That's why I built race blocks, I mean, you know, like 16, 17 hours a day. And then I got married and my wife had to put up with that, with me working 16 to 17 hours a day. Um, yeah, so I did that. And then I started this and, yeah, it's just been this now. So that's that's all I did before.
Speaker 1Did I dream of owning a car shop as a kid, though? No, that was not. I didn't grow up and like, yeah, I want to own a mechanic shop. I loved cars, but I never thought I was going to own, like, a performance tuning shop. Yeah, like, if you had asked me this, even six, five years, five years ago, I'm like no, what are you talking about, bro? But yeah.
Speaker 1And then you're going to see what we did before this 11 year old to say we did, we did, we did a good job.
Speaker 2It's a little weird. They're going to think I only did a hundred years.
Speaker 1I called it my life You're like six years younger when I was 23,.
Speaker 2I just graduated college, so there you go, just like two jobs. Now you tell me some more.
Speaker 1They're going to end it here. Yeah, this is it. Bye guys, peace out. Tell Chadan he sucks.
Speaker 2Chadan, you the worst. Chadan you suck, one of the worst Every.
Speaker 1Just cut it, chadan. Just cut the camera. That's it, we're out.