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Free Lemons And Holy Attention

• Shelly Shepherd and Heather Drake

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What if wonder isn’t a luxury but a way of seeing that heals how we live? Shelly and Heather open the door to a practice of holy attention, starting with a simple moment on a city sidewalk: a box labeled “Free Lemons.” From that humble gift flows a conversation about abundance, beauty, and the courage to notice what is already with us. We explore how awe differs from endless questioning, and how sensory prayer—touching, smelling, tasting—can reawaken the heart to God’s nearness and the dignity in our neighbors.

We move from contemplation to action, reflecting on Jesus’ everyday goodness: sharing meals, binding wounds, and paying the cost for someone else’s healing. That picture reframes what church can be in public life—a dependable address for kindness, patience, and steady help. Along the way, we name the noise that hijacks our attention, from relentless alerts to manipulative marketing, and we learn a kind of “spiritual caller ID” to tell the difference between a sacred invitation and a hollow distraction. Fear shrinks the path, but love widens it; the narrow way turns out to be the focused, expansive path of unity in a tribal age.

Around the table of belonging, even doubters and deniers find a seat. We remember that family is messy, yet held together by mercy, and that we’re invited to be light that points out goodness wherever it’s piled high—on street corners, in kitchens, in communities that choose service over spectacle. Come for the stories, stay for the gentle practices, and leave with a renewed desire to tell everyone where the goodness is.

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SPEAKER_02:

Welcome to the Expansionist Podcast with Shelly Shepherd and Heather Drake. In each episode, we dive deep into conversations that challenge conventional thinking, amplify diverse voices, and foster a community grounded in wisdom, spirit, and love. Good afternoon, Heather Drake. It is great to see you today. Good to be here. Good afternoon, Shelley Shepherd. Yes, so good to be here and to be talking about things that inspire us and things that cause us to pause, things that expand our consciousness and things that cause us to say, hmm. I wonder what the spirit is up to. I wonder what, I wonder what could be seen here if we uh removed the lenses that we have always used to see this. I wonder if we could see something differently. I wonder if we could feel something otherworldly, other realmly. And I wonder what the spirit is up to here.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, it's a lot of wondering for a little girl.

SPEAKER_02:

It is a lot of wondering. It's a lot of wondering. Did you sing that song? Um, I wonder as I wander out under the sky. Yes. So maybe that's exactly what's happening. Maybe we're wondering and wondering.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it feels like we're wondering about a lot of things. Um both in the world and then further up and further in the realm. Yes. It seems like I don't know. It reminds me of my grandfather growing up. Um he used to say this quite often in our presence as kids, and maybe we didn't really understand it at the time, but um I am I am too heavenly minded to be any earthly good. And um I don't know, I grew up listening to him say those words like over and over. It was like a ritual for him. Um and then as as I got older, I was like, okay, he he had parked his himself on in some kind of uh other world um while trying to um bring everybody along towards the good uh that he could. But yeah, it feels that way often. Like I wonder if we're moving into spaces um often enough that um that allow us to transcend or to think or to wonder or to be in awe. I know that's something that you're very passionate about, wonder and awe.

SPEAKER_02:

I am, because wonder and awe are very different than just questioning. It's not mindless questioning. It is what are we open to experiencing? Are we open to experiencing the expansive love of Christ? Are we open to experiencing the hope that is available to us? But are we also open to experiencing our own lives differently? What we already know, is it possible that we don't know at all? Is it possibly that we don't see clearly? Is it possible that the Holy Spirit would like to heal our eyes and invite us to see something that is so much different? I am thinking about the Old Testament story where a servant is panicked about the fact that they are going to be overrun, that there is an army coming, and that they will certainly be taken captives. And the prophet prays for him and says, This is what I'm hoping for, that you open his eyes, that he could see. And it says supernaturally, his eyes are opened, nothing changes. That in his, you know, like in his space, he's still on the side of the mountain or standing next to the prophet, wherever he is, that hasn't changed. But his ability to see what's coming changed, and that changed everything for him. And I wonder if the spirit is not inviting us that same way, the invitation, see things differently. All of a sudden, he saw all that were with them as opposed to all that were against them. And that to me is so hopeful to go, what is the spirit offering us? Is the spirit offering us an invitation to see all that are with us? Is it the cloud of witnesses? Is it the great unknowing? Is it the holy force? Is it all of nature? Is it God and God's cosmic greatness? What is it? But not in a way that just makes us question for questioning's sake, but wonder, but awe that draws us into true worship and devotion.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I imagine most of us don't spend enough time in those places of wonder and awe. Particularly if you live in metropolitan cities, sometimes it's hard to see the stars or to see the moon or to see the light. Um, I was with someone the other day, the last full full moon, full moon, and and I'm like, there's so many clouds around right now. Like, we just need to get in the car and go drive. And she was like, Where are we driving to? I'm like, I don't know, the edge of the edge of darkness, the beginning of it, the edge of it. So we can see that we can see this moon or these stars. And so, yeah, it makes me wonder how much time uh we actually spend in that way of wonderment, of all, of radical amazement. That's that's kind of a word for me this year is radical amazement. And sometimes it's hard in our world right now to be amazed, uh, other than to be like amazed that this is going on, that kind of amazement, but to be radically stirred to this point of amazement that like yesterday I was on a walk and um I took a picture. I haven't I haven't shared this yet, but it said free lemons. So someone had an abundance of lemons in their backyard, and they made a sign, they filled the box with lemons, put the sign there, even little bags to put your lemons in. And I just stood there in this radical amazement that I was given this free gift um just because I was out walking on the sidewalk, walking, walking in the middle of the day, just beautiful amazement. And maybe we miss those because we live in the big city and we can't see them, or they're not around, or but I remind you, the big cities have beautiful museums.

SPEAKER_02:

The big cities have places to hold things that are uh inspiring. And so I remind us that beauty can be found anywhere. And part of our healing and our humanity is allowing ourselves to be in awe at what we behold, that finding beauty and beholding it will save the world, will remind us why we're here and what the hope is. And now that you told me you have the lemons, what did you do with them?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, um I was actually at my mom's, uh, I'm at my mom's this week, um uh helping with her care. And so I bagged up about six of these lemons that was overflowing out of the box. And I thought, wow, these would be about seven dollars at Trader Joe's. So I was just feeling like, yes, I got lemons. And so I went back and uh gave them to my mom. And then immediately she took one of the lemons out because it still had the stem and it had the leaves on the lemon, and she placed it on a saucer and she took a photograph of it. And so she created her own beauty from from that moment, and sometimes, you know, that was just an amazing moment as well. But I haven't done anything with the lemons yet. I love to eat raw lemons and put salt on them, so that's kind of my my hope is that I can eat one of those with some salt on it later. Beautiful.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. And talking about presence and in the power of even just our spoken words and what they hold, I just remind our listeners to even consider what it would look like to feel to have that lemon in your hand, the weight of that lemon and that beautiful, lumpy, bright skin that we know if we scratch it, there would be this really bright citrus smell from the oil being extracted. And then even thinking about what that one after you cut it, that slice of lemon is, and what that tastes like on your tongue. If you're mindful, your own mouth will begin to salivate because Shelly had lemons. And so the invitation is that we can feel it, that our body even responds to these thoughts of goodness, of brightness, of especially in the winter, the citrus that nourishes us and reminds us of uh lemon of Italy, of beautiful, uh bright, fragrant dishes. There is hope for us in even the words of encouragement. Yeah, it's very artful. Yes, yes, it's very artful in the bowl, the the container. But it's also healing for us, and so may when life gives you lemons, may we not just see them as sour, may we see them as something so much more the invitation into that. You and I have been talking about paying attention to everything, like the holy around us, God permeating every single thing. And what does it look like for us to live as people who are aware of the presence of God in every single thing? And if that is true, then how much or how valuable is our attention? The things that we pay attention to, the things that we choose to notice. I imagine there are other things on the street, maybe not as delicious as lemons, but that are offered to you, but that you pass by. But you chose to stop and give your attention to someone's sign that says lemons. There's generosity there. There's so much abundance. Free lemons, not just lemons, free lemons. Yes, yes. Oh, what a beautiful metaphor for what the spirit is offering us to be able to see the goodness of what God is up to, what is being birthed right now in the world, what is being birthed in us, what is being birthed in creation, what is being birthed in our collective consciousness, and how is the spirit inviting us to join in to not wait in the sweet by and by, but in the now, when Jesus said the kingdom is so close to you, it's even in your mouth. What does it look like for us to be in awe and wonder of that? What does it look like for us to pay holy attention? What does it look like for us to practice the rituals that keep us attuned to the spirit so we have the discernment to know the difference between a distraction and a bid for connection with the Holy One?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, there's a lot of uh juicy uh goodness right there in what you just said. Um I'm gonna I'm gonna let that drip down just for a couple of minutes. Um the the art of paying attention, I think is the juice. Um it is it is the the cutting open of of the lemon and letting it squirt, you know, maybe on the skin or accidentally get on the eye or something. There's like the goodness of that is maybe how we pay better attention and not see things as uh annoying or or distracting. Maybe, maybe there is something sacred in in every move, I think. Um Saint Benedict. Yesterday I was actually thinking of this quote um that I believe he said was everything in the every tool, every item, everything in the inside the monastery walls is sacred. And so therefore, everything is sacred, all is sacred. And when I approached the the box of lemons, I was like, wow, this is a sacred moment. This is a beautiful moment. Um, not only to stop in front of this house and recognize the people that that live here that have the citrus trees in their backyard, but that they intentionally took them and brought them to the street to give them to other people. I wonder if those ways of being, if they thought of themselves as sacred, that that that was a sacred moment for them. They they may they may not even believe in God, or they may not go to church, or they may, they may not have a uh a spiritual path or a personal relationship with with spirit. Um, but somehow that communicated as a sacred act to me, what they offered.

SPEAKER_02:

And maybe the invitation is just to be able to see. That's the promise of epiphany, that's the hope of all of these practices that we're doing that we would be able to see with our inner sight, what God is up to, what spirit is birthing among us. And I am hopeful that the practices that we offer in our own devotion, in our own lives, are bringing us awareness of the value of our time and of our attention, how important our attention is and what we give it to. I am um often amazed in gratitude at technology and often horrified at the technological advantage. So I hold both streams in my hand at the same time, but I'm grateful for something called caller ID, and it lets me ID who is making the noise, the little binging sound. And if it is somebody that is um, you know, and that I need to care for or that is present in my life as a real person versus a robot, you know, when the robots are identified, it's very nice to be able to say, I will not answer that. And I wonder in our own lives, with all the things that vie for our attention, if we're aware of who's calling, is it the sacred calling? Is it love calling us? Is it spirit calling us to further up and further in? Or is it a patriarchal system that also wants our attention? Is it also the clamor of capitalism or of free enterprise that wants us to engage with that and the invitation into spirit? Marketing, marketing. Yes. Oh, which is sometimes helpful and sometimes harmful. And how do we how do we navigate that stream and stay helpful and harmless all at the same time when we're saying we have something delicious? Um, you started talking about the lemons, and I started thinking about in the Psalms, it says, taste and see that the Lord is good. The invitation into the senses, the invitation into tasting. What does it taste like? What does it mean to use our senses to experience God, to experience the presence of love in our lives? And I'm hopeful, I'm very hopeful that the more that we experiment or try or practice with these things, the more attuned we can become when the Spirit offers us an invitation to join into the new creation, the kingdom that's at hand.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we're maybe we're in a season of practicing some new things about all right, maybe starting out this year as uh looking at our own rituals, our own practices, and how those connect us to uh each other and to um the greater world uh where we serve. I was I was sharing with a um a person last week um about what is it that the church represents in the world. And and he's he he shared with me, he said, he said, Shelley, what if what if we could just be a church that did good? That a church that that was good, like that was our like in your in your context, uh Heather, the churches has love in its name, First Love Church. So what if what if churches were love, faithfulness, goodness, long suffering? Like you could just go to that particular post if you needed a dose of kindness. Like we're all about kindness, come here, we're all about goodness, come here, we're all about love, come here. Um and this tasting and seeing that that that God is good, that spirit is good, is is is an intentional way to practice, you know, as people of faith, as as uh followers of of the good, and and looking in our world and saying, how do we change what is going on in this world if we can't find some kinds of ways to love, to be good, to offer goodness, to offer kindness, to offer peace to others or or or to ourselves first. Sometimes we just have to do it unto ourselves and then um offer it to others. So I don't know, this season feels like we are we, meaning in our in our lives, uh have an opportunity to to pay attention to what might need to be different in ourselves, and what we're standing in awe of and what we are amazed by, and what beauty we see that draws us into life in the spirit.

SPEAKER_02:

How then shall we live? This is something that Francis Schaeffer talked about that other that we should ask the questions and ask what does it look like when your friend says, you know, can we be a church that does good? It reminds me of the scripture that talks to us about what Jesus did. He went about doing good and healing all those who were oppressed. There is oppression all around us in many different ways. And the path of Jesus is the path of goodness that heals us from that oppressive system. And so the path of goodness is the path that God set on when we needed to see what God was like. We had imagined a God far away in the sky who was judgmental and who had lots of um rules that determined who is in and who is out. And Jesus shows up and shows us who God is like and what God is like and says, this is what it is. We're gonna eat together, we're gonna do good. When we see someone who's hungry, we're gonna share with them. When we see someone who's hurt, we're gonna put the anointing oil on them, bandage them up, take them to the clinic, and we're gonna pay so that they can get the care that they need. We will be the good Samaritans. And so the invitation, I think, always has been if it's going to be a church that follows Jesus, they must be about doing good. We must be about doing good and doing good to all. We want to pause and take a moment and let you know how glad we are that you've joined us. If you're enjoying this podcast, consider sharing it with a friend. And if you found the conversation intriguing and want to know more about what we're learning or how you can join our online community, visit our website at expansionisttheology.com.

SPEAKER_01:

What is our posture right now in the world to be that kind of church, to be that kind of People where it feels like we're losing uh the battle in some ways. Like, like we can't stop the destruction, we can't stop the killing, we can't stop. Um, I just wrote about this in my my Substeck post, but it it's it's like this is somebody else's problem to solve. What if our responsibility as not not even as people of faith, but just as human beings, is how can how can I learn it a different way? How can I offer a different remark when somebody blasts me in the grocery store? How can I, you know, can I offer the person that has six bags in their hand to help them take them to their front door? Are we maybe as a society we're looking for the church to solve some things that some of the churches aren't getting? Some of them are not understanding, maybe they're blinded, maybe they're, you know, playing some kind of old tapes about who Jesus is. I don't know. I'm not sure. But how can we become more more light as a church? As the big C capital church.

SPEAKER_02:

More love and more, more love and more light is what we are after all the time in invoking and inviting ourselves and others into. But how do we how do what is our posture? Our posture is the posture that Jesus took on the form of a servant, on the form of saying, This is how we change everything. We humble ourselves and we look for what needs to be done. Do your feet need washing? That's what we're gonna do. Are you hungry? We're gonna feed you. Are you thirsty? Come here, we have living water. The invitation is to be in the posture that Jesus showed us, to be fully present, to be embodied, but to not look to be served, but in fact to serve. So what does it look like for us to enter into them into this new year in a position where we recognize that acts of service are not in any way going to free us ourselves, but acts of service remind us that this is the Jesus way. And that Jesus in serving Jesus, we serve our neighbors, we serve um, I think that love your neighbor is the very best way for all of us to practice this coming of the Christ that we're all looking for. This how long, oh Lord, how long will be until we change our minds about what is acceptable, until we change our minds about um when we think that love will come. We have the time that we need, it's now. And the coming of love invites us all to participate. The coming of love gives us hope. And it looks like opening our tables, opening our hearts, expansive, um, radical love for the whole world. And I think that's what paying attention spiritually is going to bring us into.

SPEAKER_01:

And I would expect no less from the Queen of Love to say, to say that um particular particular line of thought. Um my mind. Is it always going to lead back to love? Yes. It is. It is for you, for sure. Uh, where where my mind went um in this conversation is the bishop who called on um, I don't know if he was in Newark or where where he was exactly, but he called on um fellow clergy to get to get their affairs in order, to make sure that a new era of martyrdom, he said. Yes, yes. And so there's this different kind of posture. That is a different way of of thinking about loving my neighbor or standing up for the voiceless or protecting uh a sanctuary of people that are inside. You know, I'm I'm not sure, but it is a different, it is a different calling um that he that he put out into the airways, um, and I believe is committed to. But I wondered um if that's what love looked like to him, was laying down his life for his friends. Um and so we know we know where that text comes from in the gospels, that Jesus no greater love has anyone than he who would lay down his life for his friends. And so there's this there's this place that we're in as people in the world, just as people first, that these atrocities are happening uh around us. We can see them, we hear them, we're not looking away. We're trying to ask ourselves, how do we bring more love and more light into this situation? And the place that I got through got to yesterday was uh I was lingering around the word threshold that we had talked about last week at table. And um I went into this imaginal realm, um, not imagination, not not pretend, but this imaginal realm where I wondered if there was something there that I could bring back to the to the world and offer it, you know, in some way or fashion that would begin to shift to the way that we see uh life happening in front of us right now. I I don't know the answers, I don't have all these answers, but speaking of wonder and awe, there is so much at our um in our um our conscious and and subconscious mind to think about that we could actually alter what's happening around us. And maybe that's through prayer, maybe that's through uh fasting, maybe that's through anointing, maybe it's through um you know some other spiritual mode. But my heart is saying, and my mind is saying, I really want to see more light in the world. And and what can I do to bring more light? And you're really saying, and saying, what can I do to bring more love? Right? So who else is saying, what do I need to do to bring more goodness? Well, it looked like goodness was was helping, Alex Predi was was helping, was being good to someone else, and lost, you know, his life was taken. Um, and and so you're going to remind us of something. Remind us, what is it?

SPEAKER_02:

That Jesus said to us, you are the light of the world. We remember that the light. I remember we are the light. Within us is the light of the world, within us is the Christ consciousness, within us is the ability to ascend into those places and say, This is what uh Jesus showed us that cruciform shape love, laying down our lives for someone else is what it looks like when God comes for us. God who made every one of us and made the whole world is so in love with the world, came to us. And the invitation, I think, is to be the light, is to is to be the light and illumine all of the love that's happening everywhere. Mr. Rogers said such a beautiful phrase when he offered us to look for the helpers. Look where the spirit is already moving, look where the good is. Mary Magdalene invites us, return to the good, return to the good. So even with our own thoughts, how do we return to the good?

SPEAKER_01:

I I'm recalling, I I don't know this rapper's name, but I heard this uh a few days ago that there was this this this con. Do you know this conversation?

SPEAKER_02:

No, I'm inspired.

SPEAKER_01:

I do not know this conversation. Oh please move. Oh okay. And and so apparently um these conversations were going on with this rapper. Maybe somebody was interviewing him. I I can't remember the context um on the front end of that. But basically, he he just said, you know, look, I'm not Jesus. He's like, I'm not Jesus. You if you come, if you come up in my house, I'm I'm probably going to protect my family, you know. I am not going to lay down my life for for anybody. I am going to be in a mode of protection, he said. So so just be clear. I'm not Jesus. Um, like I can't do that. And it made me think, like, okay, there's some authenticity in in that, in that person. Like they were very clear about, yeah, they're not going to, they're not going to lose their life because somebody else is out here in the protest line. It's like, that's not me. I'm not Jesus. But then I had to think about, wow, what if what if we all had that posture? What if we all had that thought? What if we all um were only concerned about our four and no more? Like it's just, it's just my four. That's it. You know, I I gotta protect that. Um, I gotta put the the bars over the door and you know, whatever else I need to do. Where I got to in ultimately in in hearing this was this fear of of death, fear of loss, fear of um that I'm not gonna have something anymore, uh, whether it be my life, my children, my family, my partner, you know, it's it's fear. The empire feeds on that. The empire feeds on it. Because I think a lot of people don't want to lay their life down.

SPEAKER_02:

Again, if we think that laying it down means that we won't get it back, Jesus said if you lay your life down, if you die to this, that there's an invitation into eternal life, into real living. And so we do have a fear in this world. We feel like if we give up this, that we will do without, but if we recognize that abundance tells us that giving it away means it comes back to us, that we do recognize that we are one with every person, with everything that God has made, that there is an invitation. Jesus prayed for us. Father, let them know that we're one the same way that you and I are one. And so, in this oneness, in this promise of love, in this promise of uh the tension between giving it away, between saying, Who is my neighbor, between saying, Who is my family, between recognizing that we are all family, that we do have a God who suffers with us. In fact, one of the things that um uh Saint Francis offered us is remembering the humanity of Jesus, that uh Jesus fully human showed us how to live a cruciform shave life, who showed us what it was like to wash feet, to offer a table, a table of love, a table of abundance, and what it's like to offer even with people that are perceived enemies. I remind you, we celebrate the communion table all the time as embodied followers of Christ. And this is an invitation into something that calls us to remember that Judas was invited to the table, and that Peter is invited to the table, and that Jesus sets the table for these, for us, Jesus sets the table for everyone, and it's at the table that we're changed. It's at the table that we remember. Oh, I recognize myself in you. Oh, I see. I I know that aunt, I know that uncle, I know that cousin, I know that person. And I think where culture around us would want us to focus on difference. I think the spirit reminds us of unity, the spirit reminds us of oneness. We are family, we are the family of God in the world. And family is complicated and family is messy, and family is sometimes difficult, but family reminds us of belonging, that God is the Father, that every family on earth is named under, and that we are all one. And so to give up an illusion of separateness, to give up an illusion of mine and them, to give up an illusion for the promise of us, God with us. God with us. I think that's what free lemons show us. God with us, yeah, goodness everywhere, in boxes on the street, heaped up, piled by neighbors who offer this with open hands, free lemons because it's January and it's cold.

SPEAKER_01:

From an expansionist perspective, since this is what we are about here, stretching our holy imagination, but also just our own intuitive feminine spirit within that Mary was at that table as well. Mary Magdalene was at that table, you know, to remind ourselves that we may think we're we're a little bit too odd or a little bit too different to be invited to that table, or a little bit flawed. I'm just a little too flawed, I've had too many regrets, I feel so much guilt, like all of that at the table, all of it. And I think that's the beauty of being in a world where where we are right now, where we can say, all are welcome, all are invited. Um make haste, bring them, bring all of them, even the rapper, right? Bring the rapper too. I think this is maybe part of the answer, Heather, is um is is the expansion. Before the um before the recording, before the show, we we talked about I'll I'll let you say it about the narrow, about the narrow gate. Do you want to add that? Do you remember what you said?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, no, because I well I do, but you don't like that verse. So we don't have to add it. We can add other things. We can talk about other No, I I no, I like this one. The narrow path is the exp no, you like my version of it. Yes, yeah, yeah. Expansive one. I think that there is there is there is a way of telling the story that is no fear. And when perfect love comes, it demands that fear leaves.

SPEAKER_01:

That's that's where we have to get to. The fear.

SPEAKER_02:

It's the fear, it's the gripping of if we read a text or if we read or hear a word given to us that says this is who God is and that there's fear in it, it cannot be of God. And so when the text offers us this invitation, that the narrow path is the expansive one, that a way of living that says maybe culturally everyone else will want to uh separate into little tribes and want to say us and them, and the narrow path is the one that says oneness, unity everywhere. That is, I think, the invitation that Jesus offers us into and going, hey, and once we find it, Shelly, we are like the person who takes the lamp and puts it on a lampstand. Yes, we take the basket off of the light. If we find a good place to eat a taco, we tell people about it. We take people to have uh guamole uh at that particular uh place. And so we are so grateful for the invitation that Jesus shows us in his humanity to recognize our humanity and the invitation to change the world is that we would recognize we're all in this together, that there is love that is big enough for us, that there is mercy that shows up for us when we've done it wrong, and our posture is humility and gratitude. That we can change, we can change the way that we think, we can change the way that we see the story, we can change our perspective because the Holy Spirit empowers us to.

SPEAKER_01:

We have to. I think for the sake of the world, we have to change our perspective and change our story. Um, but I want to close with with this thought. The other day, when you were sharing about the favorite taco place, I was like, you know, I'm four hours from Las Vegas right now. I think I'm just gonna I think I'm gonna get in the car and I'm gonna go have one of those favorite tacos.

SPEAKER_02:

Um I did not, I did not, but you most of the time, like you have to be mindful, get in the right line. You have to get in the right line for the taco and gordo because you know, yeah, it's so good. It's worth it. It'll be worth a four-hour drive.

SPEAKER_01:

And that's kind of what I what I what I think about where we are in in this world and in and particularly in this episode, in this conversation, is wow, tell everyone where the goodness is.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes. We're listening, spirit, and we are telling. We're telling a better story. We're telling everyone where the neighbors have a box of free lemons. Everywhere that there's goodness, we're celebrating it. We're looking for it, and we're being changed by it. It was our joy to have you listen to our conversation today. If you would like further information or for more content, visit us at expansionisttheology.com.