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Breaking Barriers: Discussing Evolving Gender Dynamics, Communication in Relationships and the Importance of Setting Boundaries
Get ready to shatter some taboos as we plunge headfirst into a controversial topic that's shaking the very foundation of our society - the evolving gender dynamics. With special guest Vixen on the Beat, we're discussing what it means for women to adopt traditionally masculine roles and the ripple effects it's creating in our relationships. Are we witnessing a role reversal? Is this the new reality? Prepare to have your perspective broadened.
We're scrutinizing the pressures of modern relationships, and how the alteration in gender dynamics is leading to tension and resentment amongst couples. We're dissecting the implications of emotional expression in men and women, and how it's vital to find a balance for successful relationships. We're not stopping there, we're also unveiling the delicate art of communication in today's relationships - it's no longer a matter of yelling or arguing, it's about creating a safe, respectful space to express and connect.
And finally, we're tackling a topic that's often swept under the rug - generational curses and the importance of setting boundaries in relationships. We're spotlighting how societal and cultural beliefs have shaped our attitudes and how we can break free from these cycles. So, brace yourself for an intense session of unlearning and relearning. Let's defy the norms and start breaking barriers together. With us, expect the unexpected!
Guest Vixen on the Beat brings an additional layer of depth to our conversation, sharing her insights on the importance of breaking generational curses and fostering a healthier environment for our future relationships. So, join us, engage with us, and let's start a conversation that matters. There's a lot to unravel, and the journey promises to be a game-changer. [END SHOW NOTES]
Hey you guys, welcome to the Lioness Den. I'm your host, Adrina slash, Adrina Baby, and today my co-host.
Speaker 2:It's your girl, Miss Blue, aka Vegas Mommy, and we got a special guest.
Speaker 3:Hey Vixen on the beat. Ha ha ha.
Speaker 1:Okay. So you guys, today we actually don't have a male guest, but we are going to be discussing why are women taken on masculine roles? That's what we're going to be discussing today. Also, you guys, make sure you tap in and follow us the Lioness Den 2023, that's our IG, and also, if you click on the link above, you can see all our episodes on that link. So I want to start with Brandy. I want to know why do you think women are taking on these masculine roles? Because men seem to be very, very, very upset about this. Why do you think that we have to be so masculine?
Speaker 3:Well, I think that you know a lot of women. They haven't found their mate where they want to be submissive you know what I mean. Like they don't want to be submissive. You have to. It has to be a person who guides you and lets you be able to want to be submissive. I would say that, as far as you know, men are like, so femaleish these days, so it's definitely hard for a woman to be able to not, you know, not be masculine. You have to. What's what I want to say, cher? You're having a preacher, you actually have to. Okay, so for a woman to, you know, not be masculine. Like, if a man is crying all the time, what the fuck is she supposed to do? Right, like there's nothing for her to do. She has to take on a masculine role because she, you're already sensitive, you're already crying. Like there's no, there's no room for her. That's how I feel. There's no room for her. So these men are really like females, like they're females these days, like somebody got to be the female.
Speaker 1:Right, what do you think, ms Blue?
Speaker 2:Well, with the passport rolls if y'all don't know about them. Nowadays they're going overseas getting their wives because they say American women are more masculine and argumentative. And it's not that we're masculine and argumentative, it's the fact that we've been put into these positions. When I'm fixing the water heater, the garage, the garbage disposal, the toilet, I'm plumbing, piping, what it would like, really, how, how you gonna say I'm masculine when you can't do these things? But I don't have Right, you don't have no choice Right.
Speaker 3:And I'm saving us money on top of that because we ain't calling no Molly the maid over here.
Speaker 2:no, the plumber, none of that. I'm gonna get in here and get it done.
Speaker 3:As you should, but you're mad at the fact that I know how to do that though Sandagi masculine Right Come on.
Speaker 1:Right, Okay so okay. I'm going to say this the way I feel about it, pretty much how y'all said it, but I think it boils down to this. I think it boils down to the roles of everything. You know, a lot of times now, the women are the red winners. You know we are really, and the men are allowing us to be red, red winners, excuse me, and they're no longer doing what the things that will make us feminine Right? You give them a say, first of all, it's called role reversal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they are the stay at home, mommy, and we are the work. Ha ha, ha. Now let's keep it one, honey. The roles have reversed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that, and I think that's what the problem is.
Speaker 3:I think that the men have a problem, but they make it a problem. It's not a problem. Like I said, you have a leader. You're going to follow the leader.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But if you have to be the leader, you have no choice but to be the leader.
Speaker 1:But if everything I'm doing I have to give you direction, If I have to help you do. Of course we're a team, so I don't mind helping and telling, but everything I do I have to tell you, like you're my child.
Speaker 3:Of course. I'm going to have to be masculine.
Speaker 2:If I recall back when we were so-called dating and getting into this thing before we got to the age that we was, it was you was a reflection of your man. So if your man taught you things and put you in different positions, you reflected that Nowadays men can't teach us nothing, that we ain't teaching ourselves Too bad teaching us that again.
Speaker 1:And you know what, and that's the thing that she said that YouTube, like y'all have ways, there's so much like y'all, there's no reason. I learned how to change a tire on YouTube, so that's what I'm saying, like there's no reason, and I learned how to change a tire, the battery, and I learned how to be the car ready for my grandpa, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:But, like I said, men are mad that we know how to do these things and they don't.
Speaker 1:And that's the thing. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it either. I don't want to do it, I want to be.
Speaker 3:I don't want to be pretty, I'm pretty impressed.
Speaker 1:I want a man to lead. I want him to lead. I don't want to be the one who has to do all that. I want to be submissive. You know my brother rest is so he's. He's always telling me dream of why you so asking, like he's a yell at me for that. And I'm like I'm not intentionally trying to be masculine. But at the same time, if I'm the one who has to think of everything, do everything. I mean what do you want me to do?
Speaker 2:I mean I'm, I'm trying to talk to you because if I know how to do the things that my man or my make can't do, I'm supposed to be your counterpart. It's called apacist attract, so if you don't know how to change the tire or the battery in the car, baby, I got that. I know how. I was told how.
Speaker 2:Right, I got you on it, but some men don't know how to take a backseat to that. They want me to know how to do some things that they just can't or just get up and learn, and they don't want me to do it.
Speaker 1:Just get up and learn, and then I want to be done, you to be just a thumb away.
Speaker 3:You better stop playing and then you could be in. They gonna be in competition with you. That's another reason why I got competition with a woman. They shouldn't be in competition like what.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute. It ain't no competition, but it is a competition.
Speaker 3:They jealous. They want you to dumb down. They don't want you to. Oh, we can talk to you.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a whole another topic for a whole another day. When the men, when you make more money than your man, he's intimidated.
Speaker 3:Or not only that, like if a man wants you to go half on, like rent, like if you want to be the, if you want to be the, the leader, why am I going half with you? I mean, you want to be able to call shots and tell, like everybody in the house, what to do, but if you, literally you pay to read.
Speaker 2:I pay the utilities next.
Speaker 3:But what I'm saying is but that's another is the why women are more masculine? Because I'm gonna have, I'm. You can't tell me what if I got a half. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's out.
Speaker 1:And you know what. And this, to a certain point, like for me, even if we are playing half, are doing ever like I'm okay with you still leading stuff, but that in a way like like come on now, like just you got to be a leader though. That's the thing, even if Right and I was gonna say I mean cuz you can have men who might not have as much as you but can still lead right you give what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they still know how to leave because they know where they're going. They know this ain't the last place I'm gonna be at, broke, you know, or?
Speaker 2:whatever, they got dreams and hope.
Speaker 1:So you right, they can still leave, but at the same time is like damn.
Speaker 3:If Show me that you can you say you can't leave me to the water and make me drink if you ain't leaving me. Right, right.
Speaker 2:Now I'm gonna take y'all back to the Lion King. Now Fossa, one move. Fossa Without who symbol mama behind him. She ran that jungle. She just let him think he did, and that's what it's supposed to be come on, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:That's how true man really treated. Yeah happy wife happy life, I don't got.
Speaker 2:Hey, happy wife, happy life so that's what they say, but nowadays is who we make the world go around. Now I got sad.
Speaker 3:I don't have a problem being submissive, but it has to be to the right person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it gotta make sense.
Speaker 3:It has made sense because I'm not past relationships. I don't walk up and down on somebody with heels on like cuz you ain't leaving me right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't follow and then I'm talking to you bad, and I don't mean to, but at this point like what your whole female out here You're actually.
Speaker 3:You give me female vibes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so now I'm gonna treat you like a female. That's what has to happen. They go play victim, but you're talking about it now is vice versa.
Speaker 2:Now, cuz some men don't know how to lead, some men don't know how to be what we Need them to be, but they want to be with who they should be a strong person.
Speaker 3:They should probably be on the other team, because a lot of women go after strong women. Don't know my friend, yeah, or librarian. I mean, I don't know what to tell you at this point, cuz it's a net At all at all.
Speaker 1:It's not so. You can't blame women, basically trying to say, you can't blame us for playing these masculine roles, and then y'all leave and we have to take care of these kids by ourselves. New abes Raising boys I mean young men and y'all just them winning, did your thing and then you get mad for me talking to you.
Speaker 3:And like you, one of my kids, like look, because basically you're, you're my dependent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so understand is we don't want to be like that.
Speaker 3:But if I have to, I have to because I do have kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not a problem at all.
Speaker 3:I mean. But that's why that's why they always say black women are strong, because we're always the ones left in that scenario. Like you know, there's not too many white women, especially not as fast as fast me together from the time of day engineer, high to time. They old and gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they gave me a moment, daddy house, and today, okay, that's the cold part about it.
Speaker 3:They said no, y'all can't have them in the back.
Speaker 2:Oh, now we can have the garage. Oh, we're gonna add on another dish, right?
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying that's, that's what to be. Yeah but you know, I'm just saying like, as far as you have to be like a strong black woman, a mother it's like we have the way to the world on our shoulders we have to make it happen. So, at the end of the day, we're gonna be masculine because we a failure is not an option, failure it's not an option.
Speaker 2:Right, it's hustler, die. Yeah, y'all can't be about that. How are we supposed to be submissive to the little oozy version young thugs Painting their nails, and we're, and we're in tutus like really paining nails. I and then put on dresses and try to act like you look better than me in the dress like let's have a nail date. Oh no, I'm sorry. First of all, it's crazy because these men have these men bags or what man bags, whatever I want to call them, that's a person.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:First a man. It's a purse, it's a man bag, a merge purse. It's a purse. It's a purse baby. It's first, and I don't want no man that wears a purse, and I'm carrying a purse too, sorry but that's that competition.
Speaker 3:I was your masculinity, but that's that competition and we grew up in a row.
Speaker 1:That was not okay. Our arrow, that was not okay and it's still not okay, I Know, you know what for some women it is okay. No, that's not okay. That's what they're doing now, that's what they're saying, but that's not what I want at all. Nails is painted and his fucking pain is up like what are you doing? Those are those, these, these young girls is ruining it for everybody. Sorry, young ladies.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I love y'all, you know. You know I don't support that. Listen, y'all are running.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I don't, y'all are running stuff and y'all have so much going on, but y'all letting these men just make a democracy of.
Speaker 2:Yeah so I was told that a woman with clothes on is more attractive than a woman that's fully naked. And it's all about the substance of you as a woman and how you want to be Imagination you want to you want to be able to do you want you? Do you want your man to be community dick where everybody can get it?
Speaker 1:Anybody can look at you don't want your woman to be that. I just told somebody that, like I do not like a man with happy penis, I like my man.
Speaker 2:That's what the happy penis is.
Speaker 1:I'm stuck up. Hey, mine stuck up. I like I'm stuck up.
Speaker 2:I belong to to everybody but the bitch he live with. That's called community, did that?
Speaker 1:goes with the whole your representation of your spouse when you step out you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:We represent each other. Yeah, I want him to be the stuck up, like me, and then the same thing with me when I want me to be like that, not why.
Speaker 1:I seen your girl in the club and she was loose. What they say.
Speaker 2:What they say bad and bougie you bad he bougie, cuz he not gonna talk to the next bitch ever. Mm-hmm, because he got the best bitch at home. Yeah, I'm sorry, that's just how it go. When your man got the best bitch at home, he ain't got to talk to the next bitch, cuz the next bitch is irrelevant. She don't bring him nothing but a problem or a headache. Yeah, and he got the best bitch, he got everything, the total package. Yeah, and it's just about respect.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying yeah, and it's just about respect. You give what I'm saying just respecting each other as a whole.
Speaker 3:Right and they won't have to have masculine women right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, hold on, that's on point that's real on point.
Speaker 2:Yeah but they, they, they try to punish us or criticize us for being masculine. But we were put in this position to begin with and once you put in that position, it's hard to come out of that position. When you're the one that's building entertainment centers, you're the one that's putting the furniture together from Ikea, cuz your husband ain't oh, your name I'm.
Speaker 1:Then you're working, coming home, cleaning up, taking care of the kids, cooking, making sure he okay, now you got to have sex. I don't want to have sex now. You wonder why I don't want to have sex All the masculine work on top of.
Speaker 2:And then you don't want me say ooh, ah. You don't want me to be like that, though you want me to be all into it. I'm tired as a motherfucker. Get your ass away from me and I'm not giving you no.
Speaker 1:Hit it like that's. I'm really not like you Know what though I found out.
Speaker 2:I found out and I and I work in the way like I said, I work in the warehouse for the man y'all and I found out, when you send your man out the door on empty, he cannot wait to get home on full.
Speaker 3:My god, I always tell my do that I'm not gonna see you out hungry and I'm not gonna send you out full.
Speaker 2:You better send him out the door empty, cuz the next bitch waiting they empty him out, so you better send him on empty, but you gotta want me to want to do that.
Speaker 1:You give what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:If I'm doing everything, I'm tired but then it also comes back to it. Also come back to how much do they value, how much do your partner value when a real winner, when a man or a woman cuz I'm gonna put it in both rows Sit there and say damn, my bae work hard, my bae always tired, let me do this for bae, so she ain't got to do that, or he ain't got to do that because I know when they come in it's dope, or they want to just cold beer, or this hot meal, or this, that or the third. To just a brief.
Speaker 3:Right, I'm gonna say this your other half is already supposed to know what, what you expect they come on. You know what you want, like what you need.
Speaker 1:I was just talking about that Cultures besides black, our black culture, men know what they supposed to do. Like it's not a conversation, they don't sit down and be like I mean now the men know. But I'm just saying, like the men knowing other culture, like it's not something discussed, like only in our culture, y'all. It's a problem with the whole taking care of you, tricking and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Like you think about it.
Speaker 1:I'm married, I got a wife. That's what you supposed to do and, as your wife, I supposed to attend to you.
Speaker 2:make sure you're fit, you know yeah, do everything as well, ain't it goes man, woman then child. That's in the Muslim religion, but in our religion it's also the man is the head of the household, the mother follows and the children follow after the mother. So either way, you are the head and we have to tell yeah. So if you can't do what the head's supposed to do, we're not gonna chop the head off. Guess what? The head and the tail gotta switch places. Baby, somebody gotta get it done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I would say this as a woman, I don't want to have to leave, but know if I have to, I will and don't have a problem doing it. But when I Ha ha, ha ha have to talk to you a certain way, don't get offended.
Speaker 3:Right, because that's what we Swiss Rose, that's what it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah and you asked for it, not me, because I gave you every opportunity to make sure that you could leave.
Speaker 3:Right, because you, of course, a woman, is gonna give a man a chance and then once you see that he's not leaving the way he's supposed to leave, then of course it's up like all right, well, I gotta take reins, because now I know you can't do what you need to do as a man. So this is who we are. And at least I didn't leave you for it At least I didn't leave you, but you ain't a way out though just know that because, you.
Speaker 2:Let me talk to you in a kind of way I'm tired, but I'm tired, I understand. That's exactly what the men that's going outside the country are saying to those women that know how to told a submissive role. You gotta remember, like I said, it's just not, it's just not the men that's supposed to know they role. It's a lot of these women, especially like Gages Think about the Oriental Japanese culture Asian Japanese whatever you want to call them.
Speaker 1:Chinese and you know what. And I'm just not gonna.
Speaker 2:They were taught from birth to be submissive to a man, of course, from birth.
Speaker 3:But guess what? These women are not working either, because they already know that they're supposed to be submissive to like.
Speaker 2:that's where they come in To the man who was like, like, like, like, like. Drenny Baby said that take care of you.
Speaker 3:They know that they're supposed to provide guide and lead.
Speaker 3:They know already. But at the end of the day, if a man is not doing that, that's out Like if you're not good, if I know I can't stay home and take care of these damn kids, I gotta go get a job and I gotta work. That's what it is. It's up. I'm going to work Like I have to go to work because at the end of the day if I wait on you I'm gonna drown and I'm not gonna just blame everything on the men because you have some.
Speaker 2:It's not just waiting on them either. It's not us asking for something, because I was put in that position before. I was a stay at home mom for two years and it ate me up because I'm a bread getter. I like money, and that's what I was just gonna say. And I didn't like asking to get my nose done. I didn't like asking to get my hair done. I didn't like asking to go to the store to buy my goddamn tampons. I didn't like asking for that.
Speaker 3:I'm laughing because I got six kids. I'm never waiting Like so if I I want my money, you only got like two seconds before. I'm like all right, I had to go.
Speaker 2:I had to go.
Speaker 3:I had to go. I didn't get my nails done my hair got to be done.
Speaker 2:We all need clothes. I didn't have to ask nobody for nothing since I was 12 years old, and yet I'm 20 something years old asking a man that I had your children for everything I need. But see, that's the first thing.
Speaker 3:I've been working forever, like I've always had a job, like I got mad kids. I feel like they're my responsibility, even if you know their dad's not gonna take care of their responsibility. It's always it's up to me for show that's one thing. My kids gonna depend on me. So I have to be nice to you and like literally this is what it is, like it's no choice, and that's where it goes back.
Speaker 2:We've been put it in that position.
Speaker 1:And then that's what I'm gonna say. Some women just want to be that, though you know I ain't gonna just I don't wanna be that. No, I'm not saying us. I'm just saying like, in general, some women want to be that role. You know, some women might make it hard for a man. Cause you have the men that actually are good men.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:And go and do all that and have shitty ass women yeah for sure, you know what I'm saying. Really, have shitty women and the women just don't. Yeah, fuck them over. Just give them 100, fuck them over yeah.
Speaker 2:Cause I know a lot of single dads.
Speaker 1:I know a lot of hard ass working men who are in bad marriages and then, as women, a lot of times we mess up and we want the bad guy. You'll have a good guy in front of you that's willing to do that and we'd be like, ugh, he's too sweet you know he's too this.
Speaker 2:I've had to block him up and I said, cause I knew I was gonna run over him, so I was like I'm gonna spare your life, I'm like I'm gonna fuck with you.
Speaker 1:So then that goes back to okay, he's doing his role. Now we are acting like too masculine and now we wanna roll him. You know we're gonna run over him. Why are you running over him if he's doing his part?
Speaker 2:All right, and that was just sweet hearts, and they was just good men.
Speaker 1:And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:But I was looking like I was looking at the time of my mind. I said, well, I'm a dirtbag and I ain't shit, I'm gonna run the fuck over you and get over on you. Let me, let you, let me, let you go on about your way.
Speaker 1:And that's what I'm saying. So we can't just say us, but it's both, cause sometimes you'll have a good man and we'll still don't be appreciative. So it's men and women, it is.
Speaker 3:It's because you can't be too soft, like. If you're too soft, we're gonna be like, oh, this nigga's a koochi. But at the end of the day, like you know, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need. Personally, I need somebody who's gonna put their foot down, cause I'll run all over, up, up your back and down your back Like I'm going to roll over.
Speaker 1:But that's the question why are we like that?
Speaker 3:Because I'm a hard-headed make us all fast. Because, because, even when it comes to the good men, I'm hard-headed. Even when it comes to the good men, I'm a hard-headed make us all fast.
Speaker 2:So, therefore, I'm going to test you, I'm going to try you, I'm going to push you, I'm going to test your patience.
Speaker 1:Everything? Or is it because we already had did it so long? Now we get a good man and we just like fuck, what do we do?
Speaker 3:No, when I get a good man, I know what the fuck to do with him because, trust me, I had some scumbags in my life, so I know what the fuck to do with him.
Speaker 1:But I'm saying, the nice ones is like you know, but no but it wasn't that that was nice, that was trash.
Speaker 3:But at the end of the day, at the end of the day like you know, that's something I realized in myself are okay, like even if I was submissive, they still wasn't acting right. So for me, I need somebody who's going to be able to like, put the foot down and still be gentle.
Speaker 2:They got to tame the line. That's what she want. We in a line is there right?
Speaker 1:So you want somebody that attains that beast and you that line, and that's what.
Speaker 2:I always say because we messed with you.
Speaker 3:No yoke me out.
Speaker 1:Yoke me out, even me out, and that's what I always tell people like for a person for me to feel bad, like I want somebody to come to me and make me feel bad for me talking a certain way. You know what I'm saying. Like don't come and meet my energy. If I'm going off on you and being like you bitch, I don't want him to come back to me and be like you know I want somebody who's going to dummy it down Like you're too pretty to talk like like maybe feel bad Okay, maybe feel bad for talking that way Like it's a question, it's called check that bitch and he's going to check that bitch in you and he's going to let you know.
Speaker 2:Hey, all that ain't necessary. You ain't got to come at me in that manner, because literally like.
Speaker 3:I feel like I don't have to like if my man is already always calm with me and talking calm to me. Now, if he escalates, I'm going to escalate too.
Speaker 2:You want to share it, because that's for sure you do, yeah, so.
Speaker 3:But if he's like, if he's he don't talk to me in that manner, it's fine. I'm not going to talk to you in that manner, but if you get to 10, I'm going to 30. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm going to 30. She said she skipped 20,. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to 30. She's going to 30.
Speaker 3:I'm going to talk to him. Hey, I don't like how you know, whatever, but I think it's cool.
Speaker 1:But I think it's cool to do the same thing as well. Yeah, but that's different what she just said. But that's different what she just said. This is what she just said.
Speaker 2:If he come and talk to her in the manner of hey baby, I don't like the way you said with the woo, woo boy, this is what you did. If you come and me in that manner, it's going to first of all, I'm a gangster bitch, so you can't come at me any kind of way Right. But, with that being said, if you came at me in that manner, it's going to make me sit the fuck down and be like huh.
Speaker 1:Right, you right. I'm not going to talk about this, but a lot of times we might be the ones who snappy, like I know. I'm very snappy, I'm not going to lie, I'm snappy, I'm cool. I'm cool.
Speaker 1:But, let me tell you this I'm this type of person. I'm very peaceful, I'm a Libra, so my skills have to be balanced. So I am. I'm peaceful until you do something to me, and then it's like I go to like from 10, from two to 10. And that's what I'm trying to learn to channel and be like. I want to be like. I just say how the men is. I?
Speaker 2:want to make them feel like that.
Speaker 3:But it's crazy, you're a Libra, so you got like two, you got skills. It's like a Gemini. They got two people Pisces got to go fish, or two fish, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to just go stingo ass. I'm a Pisces, I'm a Pisces, I'm a Pisces.
Speaker 3:I got a Piranha that I bite your ass and I got a goldfish that's like hella, sweet and gentle. So like, yeah, piranha, because I'm coming for your ass, but, with that being said, like you can get either one, but like, how you come at me is everything, delivery is everything. So if you deliver your shit right to me, I'm going to be some of this stuff is fucked to you, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's not too much, and that's what it is. Sometimes our delivery or method or our approach may be fucked up and that's what we'll be genuine what we'll be saying. And I have to tell, even though I have to tell my kids that, hey, my delivery moment, that approach may not be right, but what I'm telling you.
Speaker 1:I mean it, but you know what else I'm learning that at the end of the day, if you set your boundaries before you all even get together, on how you talk to him and how he taught, that's a lot of things like we mess up, we don't set boundaries. We don't set boundaries of how we should talk to one another, how we should come at certain things. If you set those boundaries and y'all talk to each other and study yelling at the beginning of the relationship and learning that what I'm going to have to turn up because we done what we've seen and what we've been taught, we done Our culture, we've been set those boundaries.
Speaker 2:Our culture has lived through differently, so you got to understand what we've seen, and what we've been taught is most of the time, the black woman.
Speaker 1:Who's going to break the cycle?
Speaker 2:And my wrongs. Y'all correct me if I'm wrong. But the black woman most of the time when her husband is chastising her or reprimanding her or disciplining her, she shuts up and let him talk and she shows her children that it's okay to shut up.
Speaker 3:It didn't always happen like that.
Speaker 1:A lot of households. I have seen where the woman just teared the daddy ass up a new asshole.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I see another daddy, and then I see another daddy. You're showing your children once again. You're showing your children that this is how you supposed to talk to your men.
Speaker 1:But this, and that's why I just said if y'all set boundaries, y'all should never first of all, now that I'm older and I understand stuff you should never talk like that in front of your children and yeah, especially your children, though, because if you have girls, you have boys. Y'all teaching them. This is the way of this, is how we supposed to live, this is how relationships supposed to be, and then that's how our little girls and our little boys end up with talking crazy to them.
Speaker 3:Come on speak.
Speaker 1:And then it just ended up with. I mean, it's just dysfunctional. So at some point somebody gotta break the cycle, somebody gotta break this generational curse. So what I'm saying is, now that we're old and we understand this, we set boundaries. And if we set those boundaries then we won't have those issues, because I don't wanna yell at you.
Speaker 2:I don't want you yelling at me. It takes too much energy to get mad. It takes too much energy to yell, so we set those boundaries and you sit down with your life, and I'm already drained of my energy from the day, so why would I let you drain me of more of my energy?
Speaker 1:But if we sat down at that moment and just talk like hey, before we even get to one another, like when you hear other races argue, you don't hear them bitch. I can't, you don't care all that.
Speaker 3:You know you don't hear that Like maybe really, or you won't.
Speaker 1:Samantha, I told you the pickup, you know is very, it's very light, very slight work. And when I was coming up. To be honest, my daddy Harry O'Gyre's is, so I've never heard him and my mama argue. I've never heard my daddy disrespect my mama. I have never heard my daddy call my mama her name.
Speaker 2:He wouldn't and he never would have my daddy.
Speaker 1:in fact, when he cussed in front of us. He would say excuse me, baby, you get what I'm saying. Like he was, just he treated my and my mama. He took care of the household. My mama cook, clean, took care of us like and she didn't argue with him.
Speaker 3:I don't feel funny. Your mama was doing everything she's supposed to be doing, though that's what I'm saying, but, harry, don't tell them this, and even this my daddy would not come home sometimes and even when he came home she still wouldn't argue with him.
Speaker 1:I mean, at some point she got tired of it Right and end up leaving the situation, you know. But she never argued with him and even when they broke up she would never talk bad to us about my daddy Cause your mama's a real woman.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and my daddy wouldn't talk. Vice versa, they stayed married till he died and they just roll for each other. You know so a lot of things I got both sides from like they. You know, so I understand it. That's why I be saying like what I just said I don't know.
Speaker 3:I just feel like a woman be tired, just be tired, like at the end of the day, it's just she's tired.
Speaker 2:She's getting our kind of black woman. She's tired. Do you not tell them to make a song called when a woman is special, especially, no matter how you be Black woman?
Speaker 1:But we have it the hardest. Let's just keep it 100. We have it hard, right.
Speaker 2:We have it hard, like for real. It's not just women, period, it's black women, yeah.
Speaker 1:Let's keep it 100. Let's keep it 100.
Speaker 2:Let's keep this 100. Black women have it hard.
Speaker 1:That's what? Yeah, I agree, we have it very hard.
Speaker 2:We already have something written on us when we are born into this world.
Speaker 3:But I would say that black woman has a hard too, because at the end of the day, like when, like we said, we're not submissive, and so you know, like other other cultures are submissive. So that's why.
Speaker 2:But they was only taught that from birth and when our families taught us how to be. What independence that on our own standing for our rights? I can't. I can't, to be honest with you.
Speaker 3:I can't speak. My mom was being a submissive person forever.
Speaker 1:Like she liked to be at home. That's what I'm just saying. Like my mom, I mean, was she that older she?
Speaker 3:liked to clean, if it's in her, if it's in her power. Like I never even know my mom's work. So yeah, that's who she is. But at the end of the day I'm gonna tell you all this when I grew up, I knew damn well that I was about to be. No stay at home as mom. I didn't want to stay at home. I knew I was gonna work. I knew I was gonna have my own money. Like I don't want to have to tell my kids, girl, I can't get you that I don't work.
Speaker 1:Like that's it. I don't understand it, like I don't. Yeah, I don't understand how, like a man okay, even to me and my eyes, even if I'm a stay at home mom I feel like every woman should bring something to the table Absolutely, Because it makes them feel entitled, it makes them lazy, it makes them feel like ABC and D. You know, I'm not gonna lie, being a mother is, it is a full time job. It's totally a full time job. You know it is.
Speaker 3:But at the same time, if it's like a water bill or something like make her do something, but her ass is staying at home and she ain't working at all. Ain't no, ain't no, she's still gonna pay that chill check.
Speaker 1:Right, but I'm saying like, find a hustle, make her do something. She should have a hobby like make her ass do something Like you know.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you this them, pta bitches became couponing bitches, from couponing bitches to motherfucking it. You're selling bitches From you're selling bitches to. They have their own online store bitches. So let me tell y'all y'all better learn from them PTA bitches. They started at one thing. They found another thing to get into and they got better at another thing and another thing. You better find a fuck what you gonna do, bitch, if you gonna stay at home you better find your ass something to motherfucking do.
Speaker 2:Do your hammock, god damn it. News flash breaking news. You better find your ass something to do.
Speaker 1:I hear you, yeah, but you're right Like you should find something to get inside If y'all motherfucking ass know how to sew crochet knit, whatever you do bitch be the best that is and you gonna sell that shit. And right now it's so easy. It's so easy because TikTok everybody, Aaron, stay at home. Mom Bitch, you got antics. You better be a yard selling bitch.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:But you better find something to do. I'm sorry, there's too much you can do right now with this closure of the internet and technology.
Speaker 3:So ain't no one gonna get home, and you?
Speaker 2:can't make no money, bitch, they got only fans. Y'all better be do taking that.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, I'm just saying you got kids and you feel the furlain on your back.
Speaker 2:Girl. You got a guest room, a basement, an outside pool. Bitch, you better get it cracking. Ain't that be about an hour or two? You got an hour or two a day to make some money. You don't own any fans. Bitch, you better get it cracking. So the line is they selling?
Speaker 3:cats, they selling cats.
Speaker 2:They selling toes. Let me tell you, these motherfuckers buy feet on the internet. These motherfuckers pay $100. A picture for the picture of your goddamn feet with your nails painted. It's a footage going on. No lie, it's a whole website Y'all. I'm that bitch.
Speaker 3:I already know my daughter we're here to talk about that. I'm a gay scenario. I tried to tell y'all I'm a gay scenario my daughter, her baby in her lab, and how my daughter took pictures of her feet.
Speaker 1:What, yeah, what that's like the new. Now this black girl listen.
Speaker 2:This black girl bought her mama a Mercedes Benz truck off of just showing her mama feet.
Speaker 1:I've seen that.
Speaker 2:Every time she went to the shop.
Speaker 1:Yep, I've seen that, but you guys, we can go on forever about this. You guys catch us on our next episode. Y'all Please follow us, tag a friend, share, tell everybody. Remember Lion is Den on IG. Lion is Den 2023. Go up above in our bio and the link is up there. You guys Go up there, follow us, subscribe. All of the above. That wraps it up for our show today.
Speaker 2:I'm Dreena Baby. This your girl, Ms Blue, AKA Vegas Mommy. Hey, it's Vixen B.
Speaker 1:You guys tune in next week. Have a good night y'all.
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm sorry, dreena, that was the best one.
