Running Water Podcast with Jordan Budd
The Running Water Podcast with host Jordan Budd was built for the outdoor working class interested in western hunts, guiding clients, the gear we love and the occasional agriculture talk. This podcast is about putting the time in and making things happen.
Jordan leverages her experience as an outfitter and guide at Running Water Hunting in Nebraska, along with her years of filming hunts throughout the west for her business Running Water Media. "Running Water" bases back to where it began on her family cattle ranch in Nebraska, where the hunting operation is based.
Running Water Podcast with Jordan Budd
Post-Season + Q&A w/ co-host Lea Piper-Budd
Co-host Lea Piper-Budd, aka Jordan's wife, jumps on the podcast for her first episode. We overview our western season as it concludes and discuss upcoming plans for some episodes. Then we dig into a few questions sent in by listeners.
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Speaker 1:All right, welcome back to Toolkit Jordan Bud here, and I have my new co-host in with me, lea Piper. Lea Piper Bud, potentially. Also yeah, potentially, lea Piper-Bud, that's potentially. The law says that we are 100% married.
Speaker 2:Yes, the law doesn't quite say that there's a dash in my name yet. Yeah, that's true, that's all the paperwork.
Speaker 1:That's all the paperwork that's going to change. But, anyways, yeah, we're going to start doing a lot more episodes together. So far, I think this will be our fifth podcast, but I've mostly have done these by myself and we just thought, like you hunt with me a ton, even though you know it's not like I guess you have a real job, whereas I kind of have a real job too, but it's just a little different kind of real job, not the like have to go to work every day, Right Like to an office, not an eight to five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't really have an eight to five either now. Oh, it's a seven to seven For three days a week, for three days a week, and then you get four days off and that's lovely yeah.
Speaker 1:So that change, that changed this year and that's been awesome for hunting stuff, but you hunt with me so much anyways, we share a lot of the same hunting style, thank goodness, and yeah, yeah, we just do a lot of the same thing. So I was like it'd be a lot better if we could have a combo and kind of bounce things off each other and dig into our hunts and kind of recap things that we've been doing, because I think some of it too. Instagram tends to get glorified, glorified. You just pick and choose what you put on there, right, like some of the things that are boring to me. Why would I want to put those on? Yeah, the gram.
Speaker 1:But I think to videos, like we do a ton of videos. We've had I don't know you and I have probably done five now four or five. We've got another like couple at least two more in the works, but that the video stuff kind of gets shortened up to could be a really long hunt 10 day hunt, seven day hunt, whatever and it's going to get compressed into 15 minutes, 20 minutes and some of that is like my style of editing. That's just how I'm going to edit and I'm not going to change Like I'm not going to do a day by day, like take you through every little thing in a video, that's just not me. But I'll do that in a podcast and I think that's something kind of cool too. We can even recap old videos and like have a video playing and we can talk about it and break that, break the whole hunt down. More like that.
Speaker 2:So, even like, even if you're going like, day to day, you're not going to talk about every single minute of the day and, like you know, glassing for hours and hours and hours. Like it's still such a bridge version that. I mean you can cover a whole hunt 10 day and still like a 15 minute podcast, but you're talking kind of day by day. Yeah, you missed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's the direction. We're still going to do gear stuff. We're definitely going to tie like gear Still a huge part of you know me and what I like to do and just what I like in general. So that's still going to be like a part of the podcast for sure, breaking gear down, of what we've tried and not tried and all that stuff. And then we're still going to have people on too. I just had Evan Symbiita Symbiita custom knives on and he talked about just kind of a rundown, all about knives, and so we're still going to have stuff like that. But yeah, you're going to see a lot more of Leah on the podcast. Glad to be here, she's pumped.
Speaker 2:She's pumped, nervously pumped.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you? What do you do? You should tell. Tell people what you do.
Speaker 2:I'm a surgical assistant, and so I assist surgeons during surgeries to help them have good outcomes and, yeah, kind of work around the surgical suite and make sure that they have everything they're going to need for the surgeries and stuff as well.
Speaker 1:So right. So yeah, new and new and upcoming stuff. So basically what we're going to talk about in this episode. We just wrapped up our western season. For the most part, you still have a tag. We both might have Nebraska tags going in.
Speaker 2:We might just put one in our pocket, in case a bit banger comes out.
Speaker 1:You just never know you never, know you got to always be prepared. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Scouts on her right, Right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so we just wrapped up the western season. For the most part, today is like the second of November and we're going to talk in this podcast. We're going to talk a little bit about the hunts that we did, but we're getting packed up ready to go to Nebraska to guide for well outfit. I guess running water hunting is our outfitting business there in Nebraska, so we've got a hunter out there now in my guide. Cole is taking care of them. So we're going to, yeah, get all packed up, move over. It's about a 14 hour drive, so I'm excited to get over there.
Speaker 2:Well, the deer are moving. How many cameras do we have out this year? 26?.
Speaker 1:There was 32 at one point and some of them have ran out of battery.
Speaker 2:We have covered country this year with cameras.
Speaker 3:It's insane.
Speaker 2:Onyx is just full of camera pins, otherwise we'd be losing them left and right which we probably will still lose too. I would say because we moved them and didn't move the pins or something like that. But we've been getting lots of pretty good pictures and stuff. But it's like we haven't been able to be there as much this year because we've been really focusing on our Idaho deer hunts and our guide, cole, has been over there and just sending us videos of what he's spotting and it's getting me amped.
Speaker 1:He's like glassing and picking up bucks that we've never seen on camera. And that's one thing about cameras too. That's kind of interesting is like we have 32 of them out there and they're not, they're just I've got a few bucks and he's picked up. He had five shooters in front of him this morning.
Speaker 2:And it goes to show that it's just like a perfect proof that cameras are not going to do all the scouting for you. No, he boots on the ground. Glass in your eyes is the best way to do it, otherwise you're just going to. You're never going to know what all's out there if you're not going to go and put the time in and look.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure. So we're super pumped to get over there and start looking at bucks. We'll be doing that pretty much all in November and I mean we'll be there November and December. There's like some break times in there, like over Thanksgiving and stuff like that, that we don't run any hunters. But, yeah, excited, kind of excited, to get over there. Then some new I've never done before. I don't. Well, I guess the meat eater guys haven't done a tour, a live tour. They had one set up and then they had to cancel it.
Speaker 2:I think they did.
Speaker 1:I think they did one I've.
Speaker 2:I heard their podcast and they did one yeah.
Speaker 1:So yeah, december 6th they're going to be in Denver for the first stop of the live tour on this trip, and I'm going to be there with them. Bram bram, bram bram.
Speaker 3:Scared.
Speaker 1:So that's, that's December 6th. You can get tickets if you go to themeatercom, if you're around, to be cool. I think there's like Chester's going to play some music, spencer's going to be there, we're going to do a trivia podcast episode and then, um, yeah, I'll be Steve and Yanni and I'm not sure who else. I think Derek Wolf is going to be at the Denver one. So, yeah, that'd be cool. Go check out, uh, check out tickets and then, uh, also with me either my caribou episode just dropped and I did with the honest um, there's an archery caribou hunt.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, we were hunting the 40 mile herd got flown in, dropped off. I think we were only there for like seven days or five days, like five days of hunting, um, but yeah, I shot a shot a caribou on camera. It was kind of cool with my bow and yeah, that's just on their YouTube channel, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's a really good, uh good video so far.
Speaker 1:Um.
Speaker 2:I mean, I obviously got to watch it a few times, but it seems like the feedback's been pretty great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, seems like the feedback and the feedback can be dicey and she can be rough Real dicey, so I I don't even look at it, honestly, I don't even look at it.
Speaker 2:I proofread and I just send her screenshots of the funny things people say and leave out the negative stuff, because there's always going to be stuff you can.
Speaker 1:You shouldn't spend much of your time in the comments. Um but talk about.
Speaker 2:Great is that caribou, I think, like top two things I've ever eaten, like it is so good and number one, that boy right there. It's all sheep. That was the best.
Speaker 1:For sure, we were taking roasts that were like for an elk or something would be like a.
Speaker 2:The hardest chewing piece of meat on them, yeah.
Speaker 1:And we were cutting them up into steaks and they were like, so good, better than tenderloin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was unreal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, amazing so far, of the things that you've shot in Alaska, I am like, yes, shoot more things in Alaska. I don't know if it's their diet or what they're eating yeah. Man, everything just is so good.
Speaker 1:Like unreal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so if you ever go to Alaska and you shoot something like, don't be giving away any of that meat no.
Speaker 1:Bring it all back with you for sure, um, yeah, so that we got a new product released today with a partner I work a bit with six hour and they have um, they came out a little earlier this year or later on last year they came out with the what they call the X 10, which is it's a P three, 20. That's a 10 mil, so they call it their X 10. So this is the original one that came out. It's a full size and it's great. I carried this on the caribou hunt, this exact pistol. But then today they just dropped their new comp, which is, uh, it's basically like they're compact, they've got a little under a four inch barrel and then the slide also has a compensator here on the top. So, a little bit, you know smaller, little easier to carry. Uh, 15 round mag. You've got a little pick rail here. You could put a light on or something. I've got a light that I like to throw on it. Um, then it's also optic ready so you can throw a, uh, you can throw a red dot on it and, yeah, that's literally brand, brand new Um, today, what is it?
Speaker 1:The second? Yeah, November 2nd, they just came out with this. So, um, I think this will be. This is going to be a nice pistol for like people wanting to carry, like, especially in bear country. Um, we were supposed to go on a Wyoming hunt this year that was going to be a bear country and um, it's actually going on right now but we're just not going to make it with some timing restrictions.
Speaker 1:But, um, like this is what I was going to carry for sure, going on to like more updates and like, okay, I mean, we already did see, we just wanted to run through basically what Hunts that we've done this year so far. We're gonna dive into some of them more in detail. Some of them were can probably combine together, but we're gonna run, run through him here. So the first one, the first one we did, was Utah. So we hunted Utah for archery and muzzle loader season. Archery opened. Basically, the reason I decided to draw that tag is because I was, uh, self-filming it a meet-eater episode in Idaho and that needed to be with a rifle. So that basically meant I couldn't hunt archery season and I was like I can't not hunt archery mule deer, like I just can't. It would kill me if I let.
Speaker 2:Literally just die on the inside to not have a bow in her hands during our tree. Yeah, that would suck.
Speaker 1:I mean they're just my favorite thing ever so. Um, we got to looking around a little bit and just was like, well, haven't been to Utah. One of the reasons I like that is because it opened so early mid-August yeah, super early, and we didn't even go down really when it opened. We didn't go down right away. We went down a little later.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. Yeah, we did one one scout trip mid-summer.
Speaker 1:Yes, we did.
Speaker 2:That was huge, it was a big kind of like figure out your road systems, figure out where we're gonna camp, x, y, z type of thing. We started in one area, we ended up gosh.
Speaker 3:I'm eating a completely different area than we thought we were gonna start out with mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:I think we covered like 200 miles on the side by side.
Speaker 1:That first week on the first day. Was it the day, the first day? We did 150 miles?
Speaker 2:I think it was like we almost ran out of gas.
Speaker 1:Like it was.
Speaker 2:It was just like figuring out the roads and like you know what on X says versus what you see is Completely, you know, yeah, different sometimes, just like what you think it's gonna be like, and so it was a. That was a good learning Experience. Otherwise that would have been like day one hunting and it would have been tragic, yeah. So, yeah, we did that once and then we went down there the second weekend. I think is when we started actual archery hunting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah so, and then we did a pun like a week, and then went back Home. You had to work. I went back and I ended up shooting the target buck that we were after With my bow. So, um, I was cool and we ended up going back. For muzzle loader season is real, real tough.
Speaker 2:It was a it was real for muzzle later season it was really wet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, rainy all the time Super windy, socked in.
Speaker 2:Couldn't, couldn't glass like we normally do, and yeah yeah, it was like a different, a different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the bucks were just. I mean, you know that was later September, so you'd expect the bucks to be just. You know they shed their velvet, they're in the timber or like a little more in the trees, you know, not afraid as much to go in there. And it was just hard, I don't know. It was just tough. Um, it was a humbling experience.
Speaker 2:We'll dive into that. It was rough. You know, when you go in you scout something. In the summer you get to early archery hunt and the deer Pop because they still have that nice orange coat, brown coat. You know you get to see a lot of deer there. They have no pressure yet. Like it just felt like it was Like so fun, um, to go down there and like get to do that early archery and get a see a bunch of deer. And then it was like wow, like slap in the face when it came to muzzle loader hunting because it was like, and they're hidden.
Speaker 1:I mean that that's just kind of early versus late season or not even.
Speaker 2:I mean that could just.
Speaker 1:that was a two week spread, really, mm-hmm, it wasn't that much, but god a lot of change a lot of change.
Speaker 1:A lot of change, so We'll we'll dive into all that more Um. But then I got it a couple Nebraska elk. Yeah, my brother-in-law. Yeah, you shot like a mid three forties bull. We had another guy that came in early october. We shot it Three. What was he? 365? It's very close to three, three, 65. I think yeah, so mid 360s bull super fun hunting cornfield elk. Mm-hmm, a little different than we're used to, but uh, it was just and rifle during september, you know, oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So Nebraska.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nebraska has their, their elk seasons. That's residents only, it's once in a lifetime. Draw for, uh, for residents. But then like, even if you like, I'm technically a non resident now but I can still draw a tag because we're landowners. So they give you a little I don't know incentive there, I guess, for feeding the elk. Um, and then we hunted Idaho basic. So, uh, there were some twists and turns in there. That was september. What did we do? So we went and hunted the first couple weeks september, mm-hmm, um, so that's, that's how that went. So I shot my buck in august, I think Might yeah, still in august or very early very early September.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll have to look at the dates on that. But then, um, we yeah we hunted in Idaho, tried to get you a bull With uh archery equipment, looked for bucks at the same time. It was sparse, it was pretty sparse.
Speaker 2:I saw one bull. Yeah we made a big play all the way around and uh Kind of got where we thought he was gonna be and got in and called and silence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I couldn't find him again. We ended up running into a, I would say like a very well-known, pretty well-known person, mm-hmm. I don't know how he is about elk hunting, but he was having trouble too. So I was like, oh, maybe I shouldn't feel as bad. Yeah, like it's not just us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, sometimes you're like man. Do I suck? Yeah, um, and then you run into other people and they're like man, I can't find shit.
Speaker 3:Oh good.
Speaker 2:It's not just me, oh yeah, and talking to other friends and stuff. This year seemed like it was kind of a Mutual thing, um yeah, that everyone was on the struggle bus a bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and even deer. That's kind of when I started being like oh man, our deer populations are like I, just we had trouble finding bucks. Mm-hmm, even when we were scouting I mean I don't think I think the one good four point. I saw he was Young and I passed him, did not shoot him. I hope he made it through, but that was like the four point that I saw, I think.
Speaker 2:Besides, like we saw, I guess we saw some small, but during season, but not Nothing that had like, just like that solid frame.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that, that one you're talking about had like a solid frame.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, we saw some that had, you know, like a crown point, or or you know some that had like great back forks, but we're crabbing the front or none in the front.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, three points, stuff like that. It's kind of you know it was just.
Speaker 2:You know, if you're you're searching for, like those nice solid framed four point bucks. Um, just for us anyways. It just seemed like we struggled to find him this year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did um, so yeah, we did that. Uh, I went and hunted Colorado For about two days and then my bow got stolen. Um, so then I left and uh, went to Nebraska and actually ended up. That's when we shot, that's when we all cut, all right, guided Elk in Nebraska, but, um, I don't know. We could dive into that more later.
Speaker 1:I'm sure we will comes down to like I'm an idiot and also people suck, and um, yeah, we just we're hunting. Long story short, we ended up hunting some BLM and uh, it was pretty tight and with, I mean, it was just little sections of BLM and we were trying to cut a bull off and Uh, we ended up we got back to the vehicle or the guy that we were with. He was off hunting on his own too, and so I just like yard sailed all my stuff and was eating snacks and you know, taking jackets and stuff off, and kind of reorganized my pack. And Uh, we got ready to go through my pack in the back, looked in the backseat of the pickup, there's a bow cam. I'm like, all right, my bow's in here, we're all good. Jumped in left Freakin figured out that that I didn't have my bow and uh, we went back to with that spot and it was gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, somebody somebody definitely snagged it. Snagged it through it in and never looked back. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1:Unfortunate like so annoying forgetfulness Happens um, but you know, I guess we're kind of used to people not Not taking it was a bad part of color out.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah it. I mean it could happen anywhere but yeah, it could definitely most people would just leave it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 2:Whatever. At the same time that Jordan was on her struggle bus in Colorado, I uh had a buddy of mine that you're a really sweet tag down in Utah for archery elk and was able to go down, messed around with alpha outfitters a little bit and just got to like, go and enjoy A great, like 26 point draw unit for archery elk in Utah, which I probably never get to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it was, it was like.
Speaker 2:Yellowstone. It was. It was amazing. Um, we, we called in like 10 different bowls and got to be super picky and got to see some amazing bowls and, uh, I took it as a learning trip, like I went down there and just wanted to.
Speaker 2:Like you know, in Idaho you might get a chance to call in a couple of year Like we were calling in, you know, five a day over there, and so it was just like getting to learn Techniques, calling techniques and when to you know be whacking on trees and sounding like you're a big bowl and when not. You know when to, when to be loud, when to shut up and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:So that was.
Speaker 2:That was super fun. Um, I kind of gave up a weekend of hunting for a weekend of knowledge and it was worth it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I yeah you kind of like you had an option and I was just when you told me what tag he had. I was like I would go do that if I were you. It was super fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah it, I had a great time and I was able to film a little bit of it and got some some pretty cool footage and stuff that I'm Going to send it send to my buddy that had the tag and right, uh, it was. It was pretty fun, mm-hmm, yeah, so fun, make sure you just want to draw limited entry tags.
Speaker 1:All right, then let's see, that was end of September and then October 10th is when season started here in In Idaho and, uh, yeah, I filmed for the first 10 days. Um, I filmed for me eater. So I ended up, I backpacked in, I was in snow, it was rough. Now there's tons of people that seem like this year backpacked out. Just looked over a ton of country, I think I moved to areas like four times and, yeah, found some bucks, passed on. All well, yeah, all of them. And then we ended up cutting. Like the last three days of when we had that tag, you got off work and came and hung out and hunted with me and we had a freaking wolf, oh yeah forgot about the wolf already.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had a big white wolf, 915 yards, and I just screwed around long enough. It was almost one of those things that I we had come up the trail and we knew that there was a dude. I thought he was on the ridge.
Speaker 2:I thought he was on that ridge too.
Speaker 1:We had seen him so I thought he climbed up the ridge. He didn't. He went a different spot and climbed up a different place. But so we thought he's on that ridge, so we went to a different spot. We're sitting here, wolf howl.
Speaker 2:I assumed it was him. I was like all that hunters messing around over there, I wasn't even gonna look.
Speaker 2:And I was like I'll just look along the ridge and see if I can see him sitting on the rocks over there. And I look along the ridge and it took me like five seconds and I see this big old white wolf. And I was like, oh crap, there's an actual wolf right there. And I think we were all, we were just like what Really Cool? Well, it was hard to like jump into that Like we're gonna do something real fast.
Speaker 1:My initial thing is like we gotta film him, like I got, I want to get film of him. Like you don't see wolves very often and I wanted to get footage of him. And he was a long ways away and so I was already setting up my tripod, I think, and I just like hurried up, got my spotter, swung it over, clipped my phone on and started filming him. And then I was like I wonder how far that is? And I looked it was 915, it's 14 and a half MOA for the creed more.
Speaker 2:And I was like zzzzzzzzz you can hear on the video click, click, click, click Yep and then it he just moved over a little bit and then we just kinda it was like, Do we move? Closer. Do we not move closer? No, you wanna get closer and I was like I just let him have it.
Speaker 1:But then he was kinda like, went behind some stuff, he was moving and I don't know it just screwed up Hindsight with the setup that Jordan has on her rifle, Like I should have just laid down. It was like so dead calm that morning, especially right at that time. It was real nice, so, but after that it was a big bodied.
Speaker 2:I mean we're assuming it's a male, but it was a big bodied wolf.
Speaker 3:It was a big wolf.
Speaker 2:I got a wolf a couple of years ago and that thing looked like it was double the size of the wolf that I got. I mean just big old belly on him.
Speaker 1:He was big yeah.
Speaker 2:He sat there and howled and it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1:The first. When I first looked at him, I was just like make sure it's not a husky. That's literally what I thought. I looked at his face and I was like it's not a
Speaker 2:dog it was kinda crazy because last year or the year before we were hunting and we ran into some sheep herders and that sheep herder.
Speaker 2:It actually told me what ridge line he thought that there was a den. And when we were going up there that day I had talked to Jordan and was like, yeah, like that's that, like we're gonna be right on that ridge that the sheep herder told us about. I had an onyx pin just dropped on there from talking to that sheep herder and then we went and sat up there and saw a wolf and I was like holy crap, okay, like that guy was right on yeah, yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 1:So then that whole thing kind of fizzled out and then you ended up finding a buck down and like some burn. It was a burn, wasn't it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh yeah it was. It was an old burn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a lot of buck brush and the bottom of it was just thick nasty. I was like how the hell did you even see that thing?
Speaker 2:I think he was re-bedding, we bedded him down, oh yeah. I think, he had been bedded. It was like 10.
Speaker 1:And but he was in the sun. I mean, yeah, you're standing in the sun, it was cold. Like you're soaking a little bit of that sun up, but low on the mountain from where you know really, from where we had been looking. He was real low on the mountain but yeah, found him, got him, got him bedded, stocked in, you shot him, yep, and saved the rest for the actual body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and then, like I talked about, I had a Wyoming deer tag and just not gonna be able to make it this year, so I've got a Wyoming white tail, only tag. Yeah, that was a leftover. We're thinking maybe it wasn't a good idea.
Speaker 2:It was kind of one of those things where it was like, man, these leftover tags like you don't have to use your points Like we should put in for something and just kind of like looked for a little bit and was like, oh, that one looks all right, like we'll put in for that, and I've never shot like a really nice white tail, and so I was like I should just like kind of try and do that and maybe I could archery hunt it Like if I wanted to.
Speaker 2:And then I drew it and then we kind of like hopped on Onyx again and started to like dissect the zone out and we were like, oh no.
Speaker 1:I drove through it Last time I went to Nebraska. I drove through it and I was like ooh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean, maybe there's potential everywhere, but it's not like we have a nice place in Nebraska to shoot a big white tail or anything.
Speaker 2:Well, someone would have to let me shoot one.
Speaker 1:Well, we just have to get clients through and we're going to be there later, so honestly it kind of makes sense, it might it might.
Speaker 2:You never know, I would feel bad, I think, on our place, just like wanting to leave them for next year's clients. You know like if you're feeling bad, You're over it. There's a nice one left at the end of the season where he's ours.
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe. I heard there's buck out there with a turned down main beam you never know. And I was like oh, boy.
Speaker 2:I would like to get eyes on that.
Speaker 1:Oh, we will. Yeah, all right, real quick, a little call to action here. So the website for the podcast, jordan-budcom it has all of our videos on it too, that are. They're all on YouTube anyways, but if you kind of want to one stop shop, that's where you can go. So it's Jordan-budcom and you can send an email to ask a question or you can submit a voicemail. So you hit this little button that says leave a voicemail, and then it lets you talk in your phone and you can like leave it, which is cool, because then it lets me play it live.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we don't like just reading your question. It's your actual voice popping on asking us a question, and then we will answer it.
Speaker 1:It's just, it's kind of cool, I think. So we're going to do a little Q and A here. Some of these I've answered before, but we're going to do it again. Go to headlamp. I have the Aktik Core, petzl Petzl. Petzl. Aktik Core. Yours does not have the rechargeable battery. No, it doesn't, but can you put?
Speaker 2:it in there. I think you can, it's just an extra. They have to buy on half 50 bucks, maybe more or something like that, and apparently I was being cheap, but yeah, I love that thing. Like you can beam out a ways, it's got three different settings. So if you're just, if you don't need much, you're trying to be sneaky, you don't want to be blasted and light everywhere you can turn it really down, or if you're coming out at night and you just want to be able to see you a long ways in front of you.
Speaker 2:You can turn it up and really get to get some distance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's the same one that I have, but I have the rechargeable battery. So the cool thing about it is they have these little, it's like a little square battery that has a mini USB plug on it and you can recharge it, which is cool. So you can recharge it and it recharges pretty quickly. Or, if you're in a bind, you can pop that battery out and you can put two triple or three triplAs Two, two Triple A's, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, a couple triple A regular batteries.
Speaker 2:It lasts a long time even with just the triple A's. But I think, it probably lasts even longer with your rechargeable battery.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, I think so too and I like it. And then, like, if it senses that your battery is getting low enough on the highest beam, it'll like if you have it on the highest beam it'll flash a couple times and it'll just drop you down to the lower, like the next lower beam, as you're running out of battery. So then you kind of know that.
Speaker 2:The end is near.
Speaker 1:The end is near.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's nice, because then you can charge it. Whereas sometimes you don't realize that you're not as like. The light's not as bright as maybe it could be. And then all of a sudden you're like, why can't? I see, oh, I need new batteries, and like for me this year, all of a sudden, in our trailer we didn't have any triple A batteries and I was like no, but like with the rechargeable battery, it's nice Pop it out, charge it overnight and you're ready to rip again?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I like that one.
Speaker 2:But I think we got a lot of questions on your CIG cross barrel, because you've got a pretty fancy barrel on your CIG cross Do you want to talk about that?
Speaker 1:Oh it's a wow. You're really like reading that here.
Speaker 2:Is that the?
Speaker 1:next question yeah, I was like, really you're not going to go off of our sheet that we have here. And then I looked and I was like it's the next question on the sheet.
Speaker 1:It's what co-hosts things. Strange, yeah, so it's a proof research. It's a 20-incher. The cool thing about the cross is well, with proof in the cross. So if you want to lighten up a little bit and go to like carbon fiber barrel, like proof research has, they have barrels that are pre-fit to the cross already. So you can they're like you literally. You basically like you spin a barrel off. You take an AR barrel nut wrench and you can spin that off, pull the barrel out and you can put a new barrel into it and spin it back on. So you can do that with multiple calibers too, which makes it really cool. So like the 300 Win Mag just came out, which is their Magnum, so now they have long actions out. So if I get something like a seven PRC barrel, which is what I want on a seven PRC barrel, I can change out that barrel from the 300 Win Mag barrel to the seven PRC, the bolt faces are the same and I can literally go right into shooting seven PRC, just like that.
Speaker 2:It's that's cool as hell. Yeah, you don't have to own a whole another rifle, you just have to own another barrel.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Exactly so if you're going to buy a barrel like that they're not serial numbered for you know, like FFL serial numbered type you don't have to go through an FFL so they can ship it right to your house. So, yeah, you have the one gun receiver, whatever that, you can put different barrels on and change your calibers and you can also, with that you can change the bolt faces as well, if they're available. So if you have like, if you want to switch barrels to a different short action but the bolt faces different, you can get bolt faces that and you can change it yourself. So you can take that bolt apart.
Speaker 2:Like there's no like having to take it to a gunsmith and like doing a bunch of work and stuff. No, you can do at home, plug and play.
Speaker 1:You can do yourself yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's cool. So what's like the like biggest, like pro for a proof, research barrel, like for a carbon fiber barrel versus a regular barrel?
Speaker 1:You lighten up some weight. I couldn't tell you how much. I think some of the steel barrels that I looked at were like four pounds and some these proof barrels I think are two pounds eight ounces, two pounds 12 ounces up in there. So you can shave some weight by doing that and then Do they regulate heat better if they're carbon fiber?
Speaker 2:I don't know. Okay, I just didn't know.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 2:I'm not a gun nut and so I just look at it and I'm like that looks nifty. But I just didn't know Like a hundred percent. Like if someone were looking into that, like why would you look into changing that up? And it's mainly for weight.
Speaker 1:I think, yeah, that I mean. That's mainly why a lot of people are looking at carbon fiber is weight and then also it's cool, it's super cool. It's cool because they're carbon fiber really and proof makes super nice barrels.
Speaker 2:Yeah, accuracy is going to be the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they make good barrels, so it's what a lot of people want. You know, a lot of people get real deep into tricking their stuff out and like making it as light as they can or like they want things a certain way. I totally get it. So yeah, that's why they're doing that.
Speaker 2:And then you have on the end of that bad boy, oh, I have a suppressor. Yeah yeah, I have a sick suppressor, so and it's nice, pretty nice, cause we aren't blasting each other's ears out anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Basically you get the same. I had a, I had a break, I had an MDT break on well, that same gun before I got my suppressor in and so I was running a break on it and like I really liked the how it handled recoil with the break, but it was loud like loud, loud, loud. So that suppressor you basically like you get the benefits of a break without the sound, without the noise, which is kind of nice.
Speaker 2:So your buddies that you're hunting with. Don't hate you.
Speaker 1:Yes, or your wife doesn't yell at you. You shouldn't yell at me. You should know I'm shooting, so you should cover your ears.
Speaker 2:I should put in those headphones that are automatic noise canceling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I freaking. I bought her a pair of walkers yeah, they're a walker in ear Like you can talk, and then, when you you know, do something loud at. Yeah, she didn't even know where they were for months.
Speaker 2:Well, we went to Hawaii and then, on the travel back, they were misplaced and I was in a panic. I even told my mother and my, my stepdad that I was like, if I can't find these things by hunt season, I'm about to have to go buy another pair and never tell her that I lost them and sure enough they were in the back seat of her pickup.
Speaker 2:Do you like the whole time? I like them. I think I need to like work on the. They're pretty nifty. Actually, they're almost like a mix between like a regular, like foam ear piece, cause it's foam on the end, so you can kind of mold them down and put them in and it expands, just like a regular ear foam would be and then. But then they have the compression like automatic on off.
Speaker 2:So you can like still hear pretty well with them off, so you can still like be talking and stuff to each other, but then it like really protects your ears for like the moment of truth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they make those that have.
Speaker 2:Bluetooth also, so you can like run Bluetooth through your phone or something like that.
Speaker 1:I don't really know. I mean, if you already have, like, we already have AirPods, so that means nothing to us really, but if, like, you wanted both, it's a good option. I guess I wear those walkers that they go around your neck, they just like sit around your neck. It's super flexible. And then the earbuds like retract, like they come out of the thing and you can put them in your ear and you're not using them. You can hit a button and it retracts them.
Speaker 2:Part of me thinks that's almost the better way to go, because they're just like well, you don't lose them and they're. They're just like on your neck Right and you like don't really realize there you don't find that they get in the way of your like vinyl, harness your backpack or anything.
Speaker 1:No, I've almost lost them before cause I forget about it. And then they're on your neck, yeah, and then I take my shirt off or something like that, and I'm just like oh God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then they're like there and like ready, compared to like mine or in a little case, and they're always in my backpack or something, and then like classically.
Speaker 1:You got to put them in and leave them in.
Speaker 2:This exact season I had took my backpack off and was sneaking in on this deer and was crawling and I went to shoot and was like oh my headphones are.
Speaker 3:But you're a suppressor. It's behind me.
Speaker 2:But I was. I had grabbed Jordan's gun and so I had a suppressor, so it wasn't that big a deal. But if I had my rifle I would have had a little ringing in the ears afterwards. Right. So that's what I think that would be like. The pro of those is that they're just on your neck. Yeah, like you don't have to remember to grab them out of your backpack.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I like it. So next question. I didn't put people's names on here that asked me, so sorry, but next time, next time, yeah, maybe Typical pack weight for a five to seven day hunt, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean it depends on early season, late season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I think that you should. Probably you don't ever want to go over 60 pounds. I wouldn't say going in, I should want, I would say less, I mean. So I looked when this question popped up. The last time I actually weighed my pack when I was going on a backpack hunt. It was for um. There was a lady that had a gov tag here in um, idaho, for sheep, for big horn sheep, and I was filming it. So I weighed that one because we were horse packing in. And then you know, I just wanted to be a little more specific about it. So that was four days. That was with camera gear.
Speaker 2:So which is heavy.
Speaker 1:Yes, I was at like 52 or something like that, 54. So take camera gear out and I'm around that 46, 48 mark. That was with a spotting scope and a tripod because I was filming through a spotter, because every camera person should film through a spotter. Just going to say it right now. But, um, so right in there, so like a five to seven day hunt, like you're going to be right in that 50, 55, right, I mean even from five days to seven days, your pack weight is going to change, probably five pounds because of food. Like if you're doing like two pounds of food a day or even more, that's four pounds right there if you're doing two pounds. So even between those two days, like you're bumping up quite a bit.
Speaker 2:The gear. The gear just hardly ever changes, it's just the food.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah or God dang, I don't know my pack weight and I packed by pet. I backed back then for the first like three days of the October season here and, oh my god, well it was gonna snow.
Speaker 2:It was rough so.
Speaker 1:I brought a stove, yeah.
Speaker 2:I had the hot tent, arkali tent and the stove, and by yourself I wasn't able to go in, and so was yeah, and then I mean and then a gun, that's.
Speaker 1:The next thing too is like you look at actual pack weights. That pack weight that I'm talking about, that was with no, that was with no gun. Like you're, you're gonna take a gun. That's eight to twelve pounds probably and nine to twelve pounds plus you got some ammunition in there, so you got to think about that too. I mean for like a true seven day hunt. If you're bringing it, if you're doing like a seven day mule deer hunt where you're bringing your spotter tripod, like you're doing it, it's gonna be f-ing heavy.
Speaker 1:Yeah like it just is, and then you're gonna eat your food and it's gonna get less heavy. Yeah, it's gonna get lighter. Yeah, which is good.
Speaker 2:You can always find water on the hill. You can't find snackies on the mountain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just like I feel like the longer the trip goes, you just have to be a little more dialed with your food, like actually I don't want to say weigh it out, but yeah, I mean, if you I could done it enough. Now I just kind of like throw some stuff in, I know what I want to eat. When I was even on that hunt I probably had a pound and a half food today. I didn't eat all of it.
Speaker 2:So you got to be real with yourself and be like, yeah, what's the thing that I always leave in that bag and I never, hardly eat? And you're like I'm gonna leave that this time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, yeah, for sure. And then too, like, just like a seven day hunt especially if it's your first trip out west and you're doing a seven day backpack hunt like just don't seriously, I ain't kidding, or do like realistically like plan on going back to the truck and like getting more supplies after three days.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like plan on going in there looking around, like if you haven't seen anything that's worth looking at in three days, you probably should move anyways, you might want to move. And so if you packed enough crap in there for seven nights, you have to pack four nights out you know, or four days worth of food out, and so I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's like if you're three miles in or four miles in and you get to that third day and you're on a good buck, like it might be worth being like, all right, midday I'm just gonna hump out of here, go grab another you know four days worth of food and get back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's yeah some folks and it's like just a quite, they just don't know, right, you just don't know, you don't know and what you haven't experienced. So folks that are like, hey, what pack should I take for a tent? We're doing a 10 day backpack elk hunt in Colorado this year and I'm just like, oh my god, first of all, don't do it.
Speaker 2:Well, it's like have you ever done that before? And if you're asking me the question as what pack I should use, it's probably means you've never done it before and it's like you don't want to do your first backpacking trip, make it a 10 day trip. Like your first backpacking trip should probably be three to four days.
Speaker 1:For sure. So there you go. Poor answer depends.
Speaker 2:We're maybe a little aggressive, but like it's we're trying to be aggressive we're just telling people, like, don't do that, you know like.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's not aggressive, I mean, or they're just gonna get back there and then they're gonna hate their lives and then come back out, or it's gonna be.
Speaker 2:their pack is gonna be so heavy they're not gonna go at all, or they're gonna go half the distance they wanted to go because their pack so heavy, because they have so much stinking food in there. It happens.
Speaker 1:I mean I even got when I backpacked in and my pack was heavy and I was thinking about packing a deer out and it was just super rough, steep country like very, very rocky, like nasty, hard to go anywhere. I was literally in a deer bed with my sleeping bag, like that was the flat spot that I had the option of, and it was just even I, after the second day of going up and down that stuff I was like oh my god, like I got in a little too over my head with all this stuff that I have, but anyways, we can dig into that later.
Speaker 1:What power bank do you use for charging your phone?
Speaker 2:Dark energy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have a lot of dark energies. Yeah, they're like eight of them.
Speaker 2:They're handy to have just in all of the vehicles and, for whatever reasons they hold their charge, you get multiple, multiple charges out of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah the Poseidon Pro is what we've been using and I really like. I like that and dark energy is coming out of the solar panel here real soon.
Speaker 2:They launched it today. Oh, does Ann announce it?
Speaker 1:I was gonna say everyone talk about it, yeah, so yeah, they have a little solar panel that seems to work good. Plug it in.
Speaker 2:Is that the one that rolls up? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So not some big nasty thing that's hard to carry around and stuff no it's really light.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you just gotta have to people. Folks are gonna have to look it up for all the specs. Guys didn't really prepare for this.
Speaker 3:I just kind of was like well, they announced it.
Speaker 1:I'm just gonna announce it too. So yeah, that's happening, but I think that that's like, if you're going in for more than like three nights gosh, even two nights with all of our stuff you about have to have a lot of you have. You need to have a lot of power if you're gonna like charge camera batteries have your phone. Charge your in reach. I will say the in reach mini two. You never have to charge it. I still have a charge.
Speaker 2:It's unreal If you're not say I mean, if you haven't left your wife at home and you're needing to send a lot of messages back and forth and stuff like that like well, if you're just using it for a pure, like a message every couple of days or something like that, like you could probably just go whole season.
Speaker 1:And you can leave it on and do that, like if you're not laying way points and tracking and all that stuff that they can do like they'll last for a long, long time. So, yeah, that's Edna, and Edna is meaty.
Speaker 2:She's a meaty old retriever we should have put outside.
Speaker 1:But so, yeah, that's a that's a really good way to do it. I think if you're going for multiple days or if, like you, know that you don't want to run out of charge, I think that's a way you can lighten it up too. Is like, instead of taking like three battery packs with you, which are heavy and always heavy whether they're empty or not you just take one or two. Normally I take, I'll take two at night, I will charge all of the batteries up, and then I might have to take one of them with me during the day, just in case, and then during the day when I leave the other ones at camp.
Speaker 1:Well, when I leave, I have the solar panel out plugged into the other one. So by the time I get home in the evening or get back to camp in the evening, that's charged, or mostly charged, and I can at least charge my phone with it. Nice, and headlight up and stuff like that. Solar panels are great. Another one I've used a lot from solar panel wise is like the anchor. I think they're 17 watts. There's some I'll link it, but it's a good way to do it. Alright, last one, this is definitely for you Any tips? Any tips for making the cleanup from real cooking in camp quicker and easier?
Speaker 2:Why is that just?
Speaker 1:me.
Speaker 3:Because I am the camp bitch.
Speaker 2:I was just like oh man, pinging holy me into the kitchen, is that what you're doing? No, we don't really. I'm just kidding, I'm moving on.
Speaker 1:We don't really have a lot of. I don't know, would you call it real cooking what we've started?
Speaker 2:doing we used to. You know we were in the trailer and you know we'd get back and be like, alright, I'm gonna make tacos or do something. You know and you gotta. You know you're chopping up onions and you're doing this and that, or whatever, that's one thing either.
Speaker 1:pre-chop that stuff before you leave your house so it's like all ready to go or buy it pre-chopped.
Speaker 2:And I'm too much of a tightwad, so I'm always gonna buy a whole chop it up. So we were doing that. You know, the first couple of years, once we had the trailer and stuff, and then you're tired, you're trying to get your pack ready for the next day and then you know whatever you cook just like kind of like sits in the pan.
Speaker 2:You know the dishes sit in the pan and the next day you come back and you're like oh crap, you know, I gotta clean all this stuff up, and so we kind of figured out that we can do vacuum seal with a lot of different food options and put it in hot water like nearly boiling water and like put it in a small enough like.
Speaker 1:So, basically what you do is when you make, you make meals at home, like spaghetti, pasta, how we like, soup we've done it with a lot of different things and basically like any that's left over. You just put that in a vacuum seal bag. Seal it kind of, make it flat so it reheats pretty quick. Put it in the freezer, freeze it solid.
Speaker 2:When we get out into the field we'll just take a pot, not in the field like backpacking, but you know, yeah, in the trailer or whatever yeah, cooking at a trailer or a truck, camp yeah, camp, type of thing yeah, and you, basically you take a pot, you fill it up with water.
Speaker 1:You know a pot that's like yay.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I like a 10 quart pot or whatever, yeah and you like, halfway with water probably, um, you get that water warmed up, put the whole meal in there inside the bag, like don't puncture the bag or anything, put the bag in there. And um, you get it to where the water is like almost boiling, but it's not. It's just like kind of tipping on that edge of boiling and I think that that just lets it. You don't want it too hot.
Speaker 1:I mean, you're already putting plastic and water and getting it warm whether that's gonna give me cancer or not, I don't really care at this point, but I'm not gonna push it and put it in raging boiling water. And we didn't want to melt stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was, the plastic would melt um, but it works really good like we can put that on and it'll be warming up and we can be, you know, taking off our boots or repacking our backpack for the next day. Or you know looking at on x and making another plan and 15 minutes goes by, or you know however long. You can kind of like feel it and and see, like you know, if it's warming up or not you feel with your hands like mush it around a little bit and um and then it's just like all right, it's done, and you just pour it out into you know a paper bowl and your meals, done like it's easy.
Speaker 2:And then, um, we kind of just like keep that pot with water sitting there and so you can reuse the water, because it's not dirty, and reuse that water a bunch, and it just makes it like there's no prep, there's no cleanup, like you're just eating that stuff and like what? What we do a lot of times is it, though, that's like leftovers from when we're at home cooking, like if I'm making pasta.
Speaker 2:I might just make like a huge batch of pasta and then pull out the vacuum sealer and whatever leftovers we have I throw in there and throw it in the freezer and then it's like ready for hunting season right around yeah, and I got that.
Speaker 1:That entire idea for that whole thing I got when we were. We were literally sheep hunting in Wyoming when I was filming for this tv show, like that's what they did, and we were horseback hunting and, like his, it was a guided deal. But his wife would like make all this stuff one that was really good. We had every morning was just like a breakfast scramble. We brought tortillas. He would heat that stuff up, put a little bit on all of our tortillas. We'd put like ketchup, cheese, whatever we wanted on it, and then when that, when that food's gone out of that plastic thing, like we would burn it.
Speaker 1:At the time we're in freaking grizzly bear country, like trying to get rid of all you know, everything that we can as far as scent goes, but, like you know, we just throw it away and then, like you're, you're done. So that's like where the idea came from and why it came from. That is because when you're like eating and cooking and camp and stuff, especially in grizzly bear country, like the less scent and food and stuff you can get around is like the what you want to do, yeah, way the better. So, using paper plates, um, yeah, using that plastic stuff, whatever you get done with it. You can burn it and it's gone. It's like you're not going to have a bear coming smashing through the middle of your camp in the middle of the day when you're not there tearing stuff up because they're trying to get to freaking whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I mean, and and it just it works really good and it's efficient, um, and we eat real fast and you're in bed and you know the, the faster that you can accomplish those like everyday mundane tasks, um, and like you, but you still get like a nice meal, you know you're not just like and it's just like a little bit better for you than you know eating freeze dried meals all the time. Like you know, a lot of people's tummies don't agree with those if you do it day after day and they're expensive.
Speaker 2:And they're expensive for sure. Um, and so it's, it's, I don't know, it just works really good for us and, um, yeah, we've. We've just kind of been enjoying a lot of those meals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then there's other stuff. We'll mix it Like we don't do that with meat, you know what I mean. It's not like we'd make steaks and then put them in bags like that to the sous vise or sous vide or whatever the hell it's called. Um. So if we have steak like, we still make that on the grill um steak at night. But then there's other things you can get to, like the just little things of like instant mashed potatoes. You could rip those up pretty quick.
Speaker 2:Um the like pre-made rice bagels that are like Uncle Ben's or whatever it is that you can get it like a whole case of them at Costco that take like all the. All they take is water and like you can heat them up on a flat top griddle or if you have a pan, you can heat them up, but like they don't stick, they don't do anything. So your your cleanup is like a wipe out of your pan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's. That's, I guess, one bad one downside to like mashed potatoes or something like that is you kind of got to put them in a. But the other thing is too like you could just get water boiling and put them in the bowl you're going to eat them out of and put water in with it and mix it up, like if you want to get real crazy about it about not having dishes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Cause we'll take those I don't mash potatoes with us and put them in our backpack meals for like a little extra, a little extra substance, yeah, and flavor and whatever. So there's, there's multiple ways to do it, but fricking both stuff pre-sliced, just do it.
Speaker 2:I buy it.
Speaker 1:No, it's not. I literally bought mushrooms that were already cut up and they were the exact same price as the whole mushroom it is rare.
Speaker 2:Yeah, still For everything pre-sliced For frugal over here, I just can't help it. So frugal and then and then something comes up that I want. I have to be frugal with produce, so that way, when other shit comes up gear wise that I want to buy, I just buy it.
Speaker 1:There you go. Mm-hmm, there you go, All right, Well, that's the end of our Q and A. So that's our first episode. Good job, and yeah, coming up, we'll cover, we'll. Yeah, we'll cover those huntsmores in detail. Dive into the gear that we use, what we like, what we didn't like. We've got you tried a new tripod this year that we don't really like. That we're going to get rid of. Asap Gosh. What else? Is there really anything new that?
Speaker 2:No, I mean, I think it's just going to be fun to like dissect into a lot of this stuff. Like Jordan Jordan's like a complete nerd about this stuff. I'm learning to be more of a nerd. I'm definitely someone that is more like oh, I use it, it works. It works real good, and like never really go for change. She never used to put a bipod on her gun. Well, it's because I grew up in Redneckville and you just like shoot shit real fast, like not yeah, how'd that work out? It didn't work out. Well, Right, it didn't. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I. So it's kind of cool, Like we have like kind of two different sides of the, a little bit two different sides of the thing. I feel like I've just been in the, I've just been geeking out about it longer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I think that you like to try new things a little bit more and that I like to find something that works really good, and then I just kind of stick with it. But it's like it's just like two different ways of thinking and it's been fairly really fun to be able to try out a bunch of new things, because I get all Jordan's hand me downs which is bonus and that it's just.
Speaker 2:It's fun to try everything out and so, like gosh man, like it's a hunter's paradise in our garage, and so I think that you know we do a really good job of being able to like save people some money because they don't have to buy all this crap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to test it out and I've talked about that for a long time is like that's kind of what my goal is is. There's a lot of people that have waited a long time to be able to come out here and I don't. I want to try them. I want to give people a good place, that they feel confident that I'm giving them good information, as good information as I can give. A lot of this stuff is personal preference, like boots and stuff like that. My foot is not the same as yours, as we found out, and we know, so there's some things like that. But I want people to be like yeah, jordan said that this is like this is a good way to go for this application Like I don't know. I want people to be able to put some faith into me and trust me on that stuff when they're coming out for five days that they've saved up two years, three years to go on. So I know we're handling All right. We're at an hour five, so we should probably stop talking, cut it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we'll be back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll see you guys in the next episode.
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